View Full Version : Why we don't have any F1 titles?


ratbones
02-12-07, 10:19 PM
In a couple of weeks F1 will be on for PS3 and I wish 360 had one also. I may have to get a PS3 just to get my F1 fix hmm.

assasyn
02-12-07, 10:44 PM
That is a major reason that I'm eyeballing the PS3. I saw the demo @ EBGames and it looked sick. F1 Game->PS3->HDMI->My SXRD= :D

I think Sony has all the F1 rights.

briankmonkey
02-12-07, 10:51 PM
don't know if the 360 is getting one, maybe Forza will have a F1 in the game?

I do like the demo on the PS3 a lot.

dhan
02-12-07, 10:58 PM
One of the reasons why I bought a ps3...

zizo79
02-12-07, 11:10 PM
hey ..you can always get the xbox version from 2001 ..they are hard to find ..but you know you can get it at amazon " F1 2001"

RobertR1
02-12-07, 11:41 PM
Sony has the licensing rights...

However MS is the electronics provider for F1 in 2007 so you might see a switch after the next season. I can't imagine then not trying hard atleast.

tikki50
02-13-07, 09:19 AM
Oh I know why, because we have the greatest racing game on earth, MotoGP 06.

Thrillhouse17
02-13-07, 09:27 AM
F1 titles don't sell well in America. They are huge in Europe and big in Japan.

The 360 is America focused. The PS is Japan/Europe focused. That is why there are a ton of FPS games on it. Those are the games that sell well in America.

If you want F1 games, then your best bet is on the PS3. I'm sure that if F1 sells really well that the 360 will get a similar version. It all comes down to sales.

HeadRusch
02-13-07, 09:40 AM
An F1 game wont sell well here in the states at all.....Formula-anything racing is invisible in the USA. I'm guessing the same way NASCAR and other "rednecks going around in a circle" racing is invisible in the UK/Japan.

JData
02-13-07, 09:56 AM
PS is also focused in Europe because of a F1 game? Is that what you are saying? I'd have to call "BS" on that one.

appaws
02-13-07, 10:43 AM
It's weird, despite the massive popularity of Nascar...the Nascar games don't sell that well for EA...not even close to the games based on Football, baseball, or Boxing. I have no idea why this is?

Zeppo
02-13-07, 10:50 AM
I'm sure that if F1 sells really well that the 360 will get a similar version. It all comes down to sales.
Actually as was stated by RobertR1 above, Sony has the exclusive F1 license and has had it for years so there's no way there will be any 360 F1 game until that license expires. More sales would actually make it more likely that the exclusive license is renewed with Sony than that there will be an F1 360 game any time soon.

Personally, this is a game that would make me want a PS3 more than any other, but then I remember how bad the one Sony F1 game I played a few years back was. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't very good. This one looks unbelievably good, but I am wary of what's under the hood, so to speak. I am hopeful that the FIA doesn't renew the exclusive license when it's up, but the exclusivity trend does not seem to be diminishing, so I'm not confident. From the publishers' prespective, why compete when you can pay one large lump sum and be guaranteed good sales?

HeadRusch
02-13-07, 10:51 AM
'm not surprised the NASCAR games dont sell very well.....Nascar isn't really all that interesting of a racing sport to "simulate".

Sounds like a no brainer, but honestly..the NASCAR games just aren't really all that fun.
EDIT:
I
ve removed my negative commentary about American auto sports before I piss off too many people who posess more shotguns than teeth! :D

HorrorScope
02-13-07, 11:00 AM
Circle track racing imo is still the funnest racing to actually do. There is always someone to race against as well as the track. FWIW all F1 tracks I've ever seen loop as well. I like F1 as well but the one thing it doesn't have compared to circle racing is a constant race with other drivers. F1 is more of racing the track. I can enjoy and easily understand both.

Honestly you are completely limited for saying such a thing. Racing is racing. If there is a start line and a finish line and there is a winner for whoever gets across the line first that is racing. Nascar is professional Saturday Night small town circle track racing. That racing is accessible to anyone that wants to be in the show and is always a fun and great challenge, you can go get a $1000 beater and put yourself into the show for real. Do that and then tell me how circle track racing sucks, you'd be on such a high to ever say that imo. The Papyrus Nascar line on the PC is imo legendary and not surprising there are tons of people that have leagues around it. I'm not sure why you or anyone feels cute by limiting your understanding of what racing is. They both are good, but each is different, circle track racing in general allows for much more side by side racer vs racer racing and how can that be a bad thing?

Thrillhouse17
02-13-07, 11:09 AM
PS is also focused in Europe because of a F1 game? Is that what you are saying? I'd have to call "BS" on that one.

The PS2 is everywhere in Europe. 'Playstation' has become synonimous with videogaming. They have managed to become successful due to what games they've released. In Europe soccer games are system sellers. In the USA, Halo is a system seller. Europe has many soccer games that the USA hasn't even seen. On the Playstation there are team specific games. Example: There are games that allow you to only play as Roma, Lazio, Milan...total fan service. There are also soccer management sims. Europe loves Moto GP and F1 racing as well. Those games are huge there.

Sony has been able to sell well in Europe because they've released and supported games that played into European's interests. In the USA they've sold well because they've released Madden (with the PS2 launch) and first party NBA games. In Japan there are countless dating sims on the PS2. Each region is different, and the market shows that.

Microsoft has not done as much to differentiate each market. (At least not with the original console.) With the 360 they are now starting to release region specific content. Blue Dragon, a very Japanese style RPG, did reasonable well in Japan and helped sell consoles. It all comes down to dollars. Companies sell what makes them money where it makes them money.

ProjectEF
02-13-07, 11:14 AM
We all have our preferences. I would rather race through a city (30-130-30 mph), than around an oval (steady 170mph), but that doesnt mean an oval is bad. This is why the 360 needs a new TOCA. We would have the best of both worlds.

zizo79
02-13-07, 11:20 AM
i trust microsoft..i think they will get the license . the same as they did for some exclusive "PS3" games (f.e : wining eleven )..lets support bill gates and the american economy lol PS3 didn`t sell good anyway..go to craiglist and see how may people are getting rid of theirs

SBKfan
02-13-07, 12:16 PM
Oh I know why, because we have the greatest racing game on earth, MotoGP 06.

I second that! But what I think turns people off to MotoGP games is the learning curve. It's one of the hardest racing games out there, if not THE hardest.

talbain
02-13-07, 12:37 PM
One of the reasons why I bought a ps3...


let me understand: you bought a ps3 to play the f1 game? wow. it's nice and all, but formula one games don't sell worth a damn in this country.

Analyzer52
02-13-07, 12:57 PM
Circle track racing imo is still the funnest racing to actually do. There is always someone to race against as well as the track. FWIW all F1 tracks I've ever seen loop as well. I like F1 as well but the one thing it doesn't have compared to circle racing is a constant race with other drivers. F1 is more of racing the track. I can enjoy and easily understand both.

Honestly you are completely limited for saying such a thing. Racing is racing. If there is a start line and a finish line and there is a winner for whoever gets across the line first that is racing. Nascar is professional Saturday Night small town circle track racing. That racing is accessible to anyone that wants to be in the show and is always a fun and great challenge, you can go get a $1000 beater and put yourself into the show for real. Do that and then tell me how circle track racing sucks, you'd be on such a high to ever say that imo. The Papyrus Nascar line on the PC is imo legendary and not surprising there are tons of people that have leagues around it. I'm not sure why you or anyone feels cute by limiting your understanding of what racing is. They both are good, but each is different, circle track racing in general allows for much more side by side racer vs racer racing and how can that be a bad thing?

All of what you said is true but the biggest issue is in your first line really do and play in a video game are two different things, this one just does not translate over into a video game well.

HorrorScope
02-13-07, 01:05 PM
I guess that is an opinion. I have done the real deal and find the simulation right there and almost as fun, definately cheaper! lol 42 man online nascar racing is still one of my all-time highlights of video games and imo will always be. I did use "do" in that case because many people don't just slam the game, but slam the whole idea of "it's a bunch of left turns" like there isn't anything else going on.

tikki50
02-13-07, 01:31 PM
I second that! But what I think turns people off to MotoGP games is the learning curve. It's one of the hardest racing games out there, if not THE hardest.

Your right it is not an easy game to learn, but man is it fun! I personally believe it's the ultimate form of racing, over NASCAR and F1. The guys that get out there and do this have some serious B _ _ _ s! And as a spectator you get to see lots of passing and 3 racers coming into a turn seeing who can out break each other......now that's racing!

My biggest gripe with Nascar is that the winner can be decided in the pits and they put caps on the cars themselves. If all they do is go in circles, let them fly don't govern them. I also believe it takes the least amount of skill to perform. It's more about the setups (pit cure) than the driver which takes all the fun out of it.

HeadRusch
02-13-07, 02:18 PM
I guess that is an opinion. I have done the real deal and find the simulation right there and almost as fun, definately cheaper! lol 42 man online nascar racing is still one of my all-time highlights of video games and imo will always be. I did use "do" in that case because many people don't just slam the game, but slam the whole idea of "it's a bunch of left turns" like there isn't anything else going on.

Of course there is alot going on, not the least of which being its a big ol' car going almost 200mph without any of the fancy aerodynamics you find on F1 cars, so one wrong move or too much throttle and you're a gigantic brick flying into a wall.

Its just not my cup of tea. I especially dont like it now that htere is nothing really "stock" about stock car racing....all the cars look identical, they dont look anything like production models...in essense they are just frames and engines with lightweight shells on them that sorta look like production vehicles. Kinda like real world versions of R/C cars.

You put a bunch of tuned stock cars on a track, I suddenly get interested. SCCA I like...of course, I also like road and track courses...turns....not just the endless "keep your speed up" racing, it just does nothing for me. Actually does SCCA even exist anymore?

Now, any racing online with 10+ people is fun....even Nascar..when you're actually more "doing". But thats a sim.....not the quasi-arcady games you get on xbox/ps2/etc.

HeadRusch
02-13-07, 02:21 PM
My biggest gripe with Nascar is that the winner can be decided in the pits and they put caps on the cars themselves. If all they do is go in circles, let them fly don't govern them. I also believe it takes the least amount of skill to perform. It's more about the setups (pit cure) than the driver which takes all the fun out of it.

Heck while they're at it make the track a figure-8 with a ramp in the middle! :D

SSP Zip-Cord smash up derby anyone? Yes Please!

Actually your solution sounds interesting until you realize that they kinda sorta tried this in F1 and it ruined the series. Right now F1 may as well stand for "Ferarri 1", at least last time I checked....it was Ferarri..and everyone else.

newfmp3
02-13-07, 02:33 PM
I'm a huge "car guy" and my dream would be to earn a living racing. But i'd rather die a slow death then do anything with Nascar....BORING.

I do agree though that the 360 is lacking in this dept sorely. GTR and Forza....HURRY UP. And while I'm at it, where's rally racing?

Zeppo
02-13-07, 02:48 PM
Right now F1 may as well stand for "Ferarri 1", at least last time I checked....it was Ferarri..and everyone else.

Well then you must not have checked in some time, because Renault and Fernando Alonso have won the F1 World Championships the last two years in a row.

Michael Schumacher has now retired after putting on quite a run in the second half of last year in an unsuccesful bid to catch Alonso for the title. Ross Braun, I believe, has gone from Ferrari as well, and I'm pretty sure Ferrari boss Jean Todt has retired, so it will be a struggle for Ferrari in the coming years, just as it was before Braun and Schumacher came over from Benetton (which is now. . . Renault).

Ferrari has fallen back a bit, Renault has surged ahead, and now that there's only one tire supplier means the rubber won't be the advantage for one team or another (although the lack of innovation that having only one tire supplier will result in is a loss, IMO).

tikki50
02-13-07, 02:52 PM
Actually your solution sounds interesting until you realize that they kinda sorta tried this in F1 and it ruined the series. Right now F1 may as well stand for "Ferarri 1", at least last time I checked....it was Ferarri..and everyone else.

Yeah I would agree with that and now that Shuy isn't racing the sport may even die out more. I guess my point about the governing issue is that I always believe that racing should help develop new technology and to some exstent NASCAR still does but nothing like it used to. Honestly I would rather see Hybrid cars race like NASCAR does now. I'd love to see a hybrid do 200mph and only be allowed to change tires for 500 miles, now that would be a technological advancement in racing and our daily lives. It seems like everytime a good thing gets going they bog it down with rules. what a bummer..... Well we'll have to see this season with Toyota coming on board, I hope us Americans can show them up big time!

I really urge members to watch a Motogp Race, it's only one hour and I guarantee you'll enjoy it if your turely a race fanatic. Did anyone know that Nicky Hayden (american) took the Title last year, it's a huge achievement and I'm gald an american took it!

SBKfan
02-13-07, 06:54 PM
I really urge members to watch a Motogp Race, it's only one hour and I guarantee you'll enjoy it if your turely a race fanatic. Did anyone know that Nicky Hayden (american) took the Title last year, it's a huge achievement and I'm gald an american took it!

Oh yeah, Nick is the man, and I also loved seeing Rossi choke in the last race.

In 2003 I was lucky enough to experience Jerez GP. That whole weekend was a blast and one of the best times I've ever had!

tikki50
02-14-07, 09:06 AM
WOW I bet Jerez was a blast. I havent made it to a MotoGp race the only one in America is in Laguana Seca which is a bit far for me to attend. I do make it to some of the AMA races though. I can only imagine how fast they are in real life.

I do hope one day I can hit the Isle of Man and check that out, it looks like a total blast.

aronparsons
02-14-07, 04:29 PM
I'm a huge "car guy" and my dream would be to earn a living racing. But i'd rather die a slow death then do anything with Nascar....BORING.

I do agree though that the 360 is lacking in this dept sorely. GTR and Forza....HURRY UP. And while I'm at it, where's rally racing?

We'll have Colin McRae DIRT, but I have a feeling it won't be like the WRC titles you find on Sony systems. Hell, I don't even think they sell the WRC titles in America.

Suzook
02-15-07, 09:22 AM
I have had the import for about a month and let me tell u I am addicted. If anyone says it doesnt have a chance of being a success here they are dead wrong. Only complaint is that there isnt enough time in the day to play it. I also got the Motorstorm import and have played that for about an hour. Love this game