According to thedigitalbits.com today, the titles Fox announced earlier in the week as being rescheduled will have the new dates soon:

Now then... in high-def news today, Fox and MGM have informed us of the specific Blu-ray Disc titles that they've had to delay temporarily due to production issues. They include Ice Age, Dodgeball, Commando, The Thomas Crown Affair and Dances with Wolves from March, and Tristan & Isolde, Dude Where's My Car?, The Fly, Turistas, Hannibal, Silence of the Lambs and To Live and Die in L.A. from April. New street dates for these titles are expected to be announced shortly, so we'll let you know.


http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

~Josh

Now maybe all of the HD DVD fanboys over on this forum will quit spreading their misinformation.

Guess who I am...

"But, but, but, they were cancelled because there may be problems with BD-J" :D :D I guess some people don't understand secondary video decoders...let's just leave it at that. ;) Anyway...

Good to hear the news Josh. Thanks for posting. What's more interesting is Bill's commentary that follows that Fox/MGM news...how long til a hate thread starts in the HD DVD software area? :D ;)

Like I said in one of the many threads about these postponements, this may amount to no more than a two week delay. There was no reason to panic and I'm sure none of the BD fans did but at least the HD DVD boys gave us a good laugh with some of their theories.

I like the latest titles to be re-announced, "DUDE! WHERES MY HD DVD SOFTWARE"!!

I like the latest titles to be re-announced, "DUDE! WHERES MY HD DVD SOFTWARE"!!

You should put that in your sig. Followed by your ol' standby of "Good news for Blu-ray!" :D

I like the latest titles to be re-announced, "DUDE! WHERES MY HD DVD SOFTWARE"!!
I saw you had posted in this thread, and I just knew I had to come in and take a peek for a laugh. Good one Jeff!!!

It's so funny to see "the kids" taking their toys and going home all upset with nothing to watch. It's eating them alive, and "the shepherd" is quiet...

Guess who I am...

"But, but, but, they were cancelled because there may be problems with BD-J" :D :D I guess some people don't understand secondary video decoders...let's just leave it at that. ;) Anyway...

"He" turned me in to the mods today for following him around and trying to get him to back up all of "facts". I guess I hurt his feelings. :D

beatboy77, by the way I posted the article (digitalbits) you found as a topic. Pretty interesting read. I gave you credit for finding it though.

Thanks for the heads up!

According to thedigitalbits.com today, the titles Fox announced earlier in the week as being rescheduled will have the new dates soon:




http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

~Josh
I may not be as educated as you but I think that last quote New street dates for these titles are expected to be announced shortly, so we'll let you know. was an insert by the writer from Digital Bits reassuring his readers, not a direct quote from FOX or MGM.

Any way you spin it, it sounds like damage control to me.

I think this whole attitude about Blu-ray owners against HD-DVD owners and visa/versa is pathetic. Posts like most of the ones in this thread are exactly the childish attitude you complain about, and it adds to the hostility.

So who's going to be the first grown-up?

I think this whole attitude about Blu-ray owners against HD-DVD owners and visa/versa is pathetic. Posts like most of the ones in this thread are exactly the childish attitude you complain about, and it adds to the hostility.

So who's going to be the first grown-up?

Otherwise reasonable people react negatively to one sided comments when they are perceived as insults to their buying decision. Sometimes, the comments are not even meant to be insults, but things written on the a web site can always be perceived in ways not intended by the author.

Having said that, there's lots of misinformation deliberate or o/w around here. And if anyone keeps a running count, there's marginally more wrong information and rumors started by the Red Cult than the Blu Cult. :D

Amazon changed the release date of Dances With Wolves and Thomas Crown Affair that I had ordered from 3/13 to 4/17. They outright canceled the other 3/13 titles that I had ordered.

I think this whole attitude about Blu-ray owners against HD-DVD owners and visa/versa is pathetic. Posts like most of the ones in this thread are exactly the childish attitude you complain about, and it adds to the hostility.

So who's going to be the first grown-up?

The problem I have is "certain" posters that come over here constantly and try to start flame wars with blu ray supporters. I really don't have a problem with the comments they make, they should just keep it in the HD DVD forum.

I very rarely post in the HD DVD forums (I am format neutral) unless I have something to CONTRIBUTE. I know I am not going to "sway" anyone on that board to come over to the good side. It is pointless.

Now, I am glad to see the Fox titles will be released after all.

According to thedigitalbits.com today, the titles Fox announced earlier in the week as being rescheduled will have the new dates soon:

Now then... in high-def news today, Fox and MGM have informed us of the specific Blu-ray Disc titles that they've had to delay temporarily due to production issues. ...
New street dates for these titles are expected to be announced shortly, so we'll let you know.Who is the 'us' in the quote? Digitalbits? Fox and MGM specificaly informed just Digitalbits? Is Digitalbits predominantly blu-ray (seems so from that link)?
First time I had been to that website, so I don't know anything about them.

LOL

Well if you look at the OFFICIAL release from Fox, there is no mention of any NEW dates. SOL Blur-ay.

http://www.foxretail.com/sadoc/static/528.pdf

http://www.foxretail.com/sadoc/static/530.pdf

I don't think Bill really said anything significant. He expects new dates to be released soon. No idea when that will be or how far back the dates will be pushed. He hasn't said anyone told him there will be new dates announced soon.

The problems cited are production issues. That could be a bottle-necking of planned titles that manufacturers can't make a reality. But that's something that should have been planned for far in advance. Something tells me that a problem has arisen that wasn't there when those titles were first announced. I have no idea what that could be, but I think it's a little early to start celebrating when we don't even know what happened.

Very poor planning by Fox. They likely couldn't meet the target dates yet knowingly made announcements for whatever 'political' reasons in this format war. Disappointed particularly because I was looking forward to Dances with Wolves as one of my big titles for the year.

certain" posters that come over here constantly and try to start flame wars with blu ray supporters. I really don't have a problem with the comments they make, they should just keep it in the HD DVD forum

The forums would be dull is there was no crossover opinions. This applies to both sides. Do you really think it is more interesting to just read posts that agree with you on everything. The problem is not the crossover, it is the immaturity of some of those posts. But by censoring all differeing views, you leave out thoughtful debate. JMO.

... The problems cited are production issues. That could be a bottle-necking of planned titles that manufacturers can't make a reality. But that's something that should have been planned for far in advance. Something tells me that a problem has arisen that wasn't there when those titles were first announced. I have no idea what that could be, but I think it's a little early to start celebrating when we don't even know what happened.I wonder if the studios didn't just make announcements of upcoming movies at CES to make blu-ray sound better. They couldn't keep up with their announced titles and had to make a retraction, which isn't as detrimental to blu-ray as the announced titles were beneficial to blu-ray. Pure speculation, of course ;)

The forums would be dull is there was no crossover opinions. This applies to both sides. Do you really think it is more interesting to just read posts that agree with you on everything. The problem is not the crossover, it is the immaturity of some of those posts. But by censoring all differeing views, you leave out thoughtful debate. JMO.


I have no problems with cross posters if they back up their information.

Take Plazman for instance, he is definitely pro HD DVD, fights for what he believes and tries to back it up with some kind of evidence. He will also admit when he agrees with you. I can respect his opinion.


We have another pro HD DVD poster (that will remain nameless) that tries to push his agenda, without proof. If I started a thread over on the HD DVD forum saying "universal goes format neutral" and backed it up with my "personal" feelings on the subject. It would be removed in a second. But we have to listen to "BD-J holding up warner titles" all the time, again without proof. It is just his opinion.

"He" turned me in to the mods today for following him around and trying to get him to back up all of "facts". I guess I hurt his feelings.

I'm only guessing that "HE" means me? I don't know about "turning you in", but you were on a flaming path yesterday, and I think quite a few people probably noticed that you had been answered many, many times.

Back on topic - have any new dates for these releases been announced, or are we taking Bill Hunt's word for it that these weren't cancelled for "unforseen technical difficulties" as the notice to the dealers says?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=803912&page=1&pp=30

I wonder if the studios didn't just make announcements of upcoming movies at CES to make blu-ray sound better. They couldn't keep up with their announced titles and had to make a retraction, which isn't as detrimental to blu-ray as the announced titles were beneficial to blu-ray. Pure speculation, of course ;)

Were these titles announced at CES? I thought they came later, but I could be wrong. Anyway I would think it actually looks worse to announce something then have to retract it. Unfortunately HD DVD has had way too much of that, particularly with their website.

I have no problems with cross posters if they back up their information.


I don't know about that.

You came after me when I was the one who posted the official links to the FOX and MGM cancellations announcements. :rolleyes:

Now, I am glad to see the Fox titles will be released after all.
Hi All - was there an announcement of this? I may have missed it, could someone link this?

i need my TURISTAS

with maybe some different box art so my girl doesn't think it's softcore porn.

I can just see it now:

"Hey, what's this?"

Hi All - was there an announcement of this? I may have missed it, could someone link this?

Quote from hidefdigest yesterday and Fox's VP of Marketing & Communications Steve Feldstein

The studio assured that none of these titles have been cancelled, only been pushed back to yet-to-be-determined dates due to a general release schedule shuffling.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Fox_Reshuffles_March/April_Blu-ray_Line-Up_/472

It does not get more clear then that.

~Josh

Quote from hidefdigest yesterday and Fox's VP of Marketing & Communications Steve Feldstein


http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Fox_Reshuffles_March/April_Blu-ray_Line-Up_/472

It does not get more clear then that.

~Josh
Sorry, sounds like more damage control to me.

Of course they aren't cancelled. Any movie in their libraries can potentially be released at some point in the future. The question is how far into the future? Weeks, months, years?

They can make claims all they want about releasing lots of movies, then just reschedule them saying 'they aren't cancelled!'

Jaws and other Spielberg films weren't cancelled either, just delayed :p

BDA was very agressive with the release schedule announcents at CES for marketing reasons.
Now some releases get delayed for various reasons and it would not surprise me if others will drop from the 'CES release schedule' as well.

I think this whole attitude about Blu-ray owners against HD-DVD owners and visa/versa is pathetic. Posts like most of the ones in this thread are exactly the childish attitude you complain about, and it adds to the hostility.

So who's going to be the first grown-up?

Couldn't agree any more.

Of course they aren't cancelled. Any movie in their libraries can potentially be released at some point in the future. The question is how far into the future? Weeks, months, years?

They can make claims all they want about releasing lots of movies, then just reschedule them saying 'they aren't cancelled!'

Jaws and other Spielberg films weren't cancelled either, just delayed :pNo my friend they were cancelled.
Rescheduled means that the original dates were changed from a former to a later date.
Cancelled rather, means the titles were pulled with NO rescheduled date of release. ;)

Have you ever bought tickets to a concert that was cancelled for one reason or the other? It means no show, we refund your money. Maybe on day in the future we might return to your town. Maybe. :)

No my friend they were cancelled.
Rescheduled means that the original dates were changed from a former to a later date.
Cancelled rather, means the titles were pulled with NO rescheduled date of release. ;)

Have you ever bought tickets to a concert that was cancelled for one reason or the other? It means no show, we refund your money. Maybe on day in the future we might return to your town. Maybe. :)Sorry, I didn't know the Fox/MGM titles new dates were published. Guess they really were rescheduled. :rolleyes:

Quote from hidefdigest yesterday and Fox's VP of Marketing & Communications Steve Feldstein
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Fox_Reshuffles_March/April_Blu-ray_Line-Up_/472
It does not get more clear then that.
~Josh
No it really doesn't get more clear than that does it.
Hopefully rdjam won't miss that one. I'd hate for him to be misinformed.

Otherwise reasonable people react negatively to one sided comments when they are perceived as insults to their buying decision. Sometimes, the comments are not even meant to be insults, but things written on the a web site can always be perceived in ways not intended by the author.

Having said that, there's lots of misinformation deliberate or o/w around here. And if anyone keeps a running count, there's marginally more wrong information and rumors started by the Red Cult than the Blu Cult. :D

Cute. Obviously you keep the running count. Please, some numbers.

Cute. Obviously you keep the running count. Please, some numbers.
Some numbers to refute what's in your signature perhaps?

High Def Digest 95HD/109BD, Home Theater Spot 120HD/134BD, Home Theater Forum 27HD/43BD, Upcoming Discs 90HD/60BD, DVD Talk 153HD/155BD review comparison
Last updated 02.16.07
HD DVD PQ SQ TOTAL Blu-ray PQ SQ TOTAL
HighDef 3.92 3.69 3.81 HighDef 3.94 3.88 3.91
HTSpot 4.02 3.90 3.96 HTSpot 3.88 4.24 4.06
DVDTalk 3.65 3.51 3.58 DVDTalk 3.54 3.66 3.60
HTForum 4.11 3.69 3.90 HTForum 4.17 4.04 4.10
UpDisc 4.04 3.88 3.96 UpDisc 4.02 4.17 4.09
Totals 3.89 3.72 3.81 Totals 3.83 3.95 3.89

No it really doesn't get more clear than that does it.
Hopefully rdjam won't miss that one. I'd hate for him to be misinformed.
Actually - I must be missing it... The article you and beatboy are pointing me to does not have ANY replacement dates or schedules?? So why are people saying they have already been re-scheduled, when they haven't??

As far as I can see, the titles have been suspended and even tho the Fox rep says he feels that they will be rescheduled, they actually have not been...

The biggest issue with Fox BDs is their PRICE. It needs to come down a little bit. Especially if they're gonna give us the old MPEG2-on-a-BD25 crap.

Sorry, I didn't know the Fox/MGM titles new dates were published. Guess they really were rescheduled. :rolleyes: So why are people saying they have already been re-scheduled, when they haven't??

As far as I can see, the titles have been suspended and even tho the Fox rep says he feels that they will be rescheduled, they actually have not been...Sorry, I had forgotten to add my sarcasm smiley...edited post :)

As far as I can see, the titles have been suspended and even tho the Fox rep says he feels that they will be rescheduled, they actually have not been...
Not looking closely though are you?
He doesn't say he "feels that they will be rescheduled," he says that they have been "pushed back to yet-to-be determined dates"

Quite a difference in the intonation of the wording.

Actually - I must be missing it...
Given everything else you miss or cannot comprehend, your comment doesn't surprise me. :p

Actually - I must be missing it... The article you and beatboy are pointing me to does not have ANY replacement dates or schedules?? So why are people saying they have already been re-scheduled, when they haven't??

As far as I can see, the titles have been suspended and even tho the Fox rep says he feels that they will be rescheduled, they actually have not been...


Not surprised you can't tell the difference between the Fox executive knowing a release date and not telling us and a title being canceled outright.

You are aware that Fox has already announced one date and had to backtrack. Is it that hard to believe they'd be unwilling to commit to another date without being more certain of it?

I do know that Amazon was certain enough about Dances with Wolves to reschedule it to a specific day in April.

Is it really that hard to believe that Fox, producing its own discs and MGM's too, decided to spread things out a bit to ensure we have no dry spells? And that they're taking the time to use the manufacturing plants to produce more of the individual titles for the growing quantities that are currently being sold?

Heh. As much as you assume with your "JAVA is HOLDING WB HD DVD'S BACK" arguments (not that you don't argue them a lot even if never with any credibility), I find it hard to believe you can't come up with perfectly reasonable and rational reasons for them to delay titles without plastering a new date where the old one was.

Certainly, it's easier for HD DVD replication because... well, they just don't have the number of titles trying to be put out that BD does. BD is producing easily three times as many unique titles as HD DVD by this point and sales are picking up in the range of 2-3:1. When you're selling more discs and you're selling a lot of different discs, then your manufacturing facilities will be more constrained than a format that sells a lot of a few titles. ;)

I have no doubt that Ice Age will come out on BD and in the next few months. Anyone who does, well you're a fool with Ice Age 2 already out. I imagine Fox put Ice Age down and Disney has Chicken Little coming out in the weeks after. Rather than get creamed by a superior CGI movie, Ice Age was bumped. Don't blame Fox there.

But no, it's got to be dire problems for Blu-ray, right? No other explanation would work for some people, I guess.

HomeMediaMagazine has a small news text at page 16.

Fox, MGM suspend blu-ray releases:
Fox has shuffled its upcoming blu-ray disc slate. March Fox titles Ice Age, Dodgeball and Commando, as well as MGM titles the Thomas Crown Affair and Dances With Wolves will not be released.

April Fox titles Tristan & Isolde, The Fly, Turistas and Dude, Where's My Car?, and MGM titles Hannibal and To Live in Die in L.A. will not be released. New release dates have not been set.

Actually - I must be missing it... The article you and beatboy are pointing me to does not have ANY replacement dates or schedules?? So why are people saying they have already been re-scheduled, when they haven't??

As far as I can see, the titles have been suspended and even tho the Fox rep says he feels that they will be rescheduled, they actually have not been...

Whether you guys agree or not with rdjam, he has a viable point. If no dates have been officially announced, then it's just hearsay, speculation, vaporware... call it what you will.

As much as I like the idea of these titles being released soon, but we can't be excited about the reschedule news until a date is officially confirmed by Fox.

Being optimistic is one thing, but believing everything one hears is another.

Well in the same respect, why wouldnt a studio just say they are canceled?

Again no hearsay or speculation, I want concrete proof.

Oblivion was originally announced months before the PS3 launch. The removed the release date with out further announcements. Now Bathsheda software is supposedly going to release it.

But no one ever doubted that because they DIDNT cancel it. Show me one report that says these titles were canceled and not comming to blu ray?

Ohh ok, didnt think so.

So unfortunately this means those 300 titles promised to HD DVD canceled instead? right?
Since there isnt any dates or anything for them.

lol lets see how the other side feels about titles with no dates means canceled...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9828082&posted=1#post9828082

lol lets see how the other side feels about titles with no dates means canceled...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9828082&posted=1#post9828082
Looks like the mods enjoyed it.

hahaha, that thread lasted a long time :)

I don't see how you can "cancel" that list of HD-DVD titles, since they don't have any "firm" dates set... same goes for any Blu-Ray titles of the same nature.

Of course, I hope nobody was seriously counting those titles for anything... Blu or HD either one.

Did the Blu-Ray titles have a street date set? It sounded like they at least had a target month selected.

They'd better not look as crappy as the last batch.

Not looking closely though are you?
He doesn't say he "feels that they will be rescheduled," he says that they have been "pushed back to yet-to-be determined dates"

Quite a difference in the intonation of the wording.

Just like Robocop. ;)

Yeah well what can you do. The mods are biased here.
Maybe you can help spread the Blu-fever!

Well in the same respect, why wouldnt a studio just say they are canceled?
Again no hearsay or speculation, I want concrete proof.
Oblivion was originally announced months before the PS3 launch. The removed the release date with out further announcements. Now Bathsheda software is supposedly going to release it.
But no one ever doubted that because they DIDNT cancel it. Show me one report that says these titles were canceled and not comming to blu ray?
Ohh ok, didnt think so.

From a post earlier in this thread-

http://www.foxretail.com/sadoc/static/528.pdf

http://www.foxretail.com/sadoc/static/530.pdf

Note what it says at the top-

Due to unforseen technical difficulties, we are unable to release the titles listed below.

Please disregard any previous announcements regarding these titles and/or promotions.

Not one word about new dates any time soon, do I doubt that these titles will come out on BR, of course not, I just don't think anytime soon.

Whether you guys agree or not with rdjam, he has a viable point. If no dates have been officially announced, then it's just hearsay, speculation, vaporware... call it what you will.

Yes but his signature is vaporware until he has some proof that BD-J titles are holding back Blu Ray and hd dvd releases.

Can't have it one way and not the other. :D

Looks like From Hell is back on the release schedule from Fox.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Fox_Brings_From_Hell_Back_From_Blu-ray_Limbo/487

Call me dutch, but a retail price of 40 dollar for From Hell is a lot of bucks..... :o

Call me dutch, but a retail price of 40 dollar for From Hell is a lot of bucks..... :o
There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch. :D

But yeah, it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to release From Hell with a $40 MSRP.

There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch. :D

But yeah, it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to release From Hell with a $40 MSRP.

I may be Dutch but i ain't cheap.... :D

Call me dutch, but a retail price of 40 dollar for From Hell is a lot of bucks..... :o
I think we can see what's going to happen to prices if Bluray gets HD DVD "out of the way" - seems they are going to shoot right back up...

Any of the other Fox/MGM titles been re-scheduled yet?

Call me dutch, but a retail price of 40 dollar for From Hell is a lot of bucks..... :o

I think $40 is too much, but actual pricing from online retailers like Amazon and DVDEmpire will be around $30, which is better, but still a bit much.