I just picked up a new Mits HD-6000 from a dealer for $600. New these originally were going for $2k. Essentially the HD-6000 is a Mits integrated cable card TV tuner without the display. This will fit in well with my Sony Pearl projector.

I have been wanting an HD-6000 for quite some time but the $2k price tag had no value for me. I found this one on the bay and it should be here on Friday.

I have always been a fan of Mitsubishi products because they have most recently fully supported all 1394 recording products on their integrated displays. My goals with the HD6k is to add both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD recorders with 1394 (when they are released) along with my D-VHS decks, PC and HDV cam which will allow me to record movies off of the integrated cable tuner in the HD6K directly to a BR/HDDVD burner or just to the HD6K HDD and then to the BR/HDDVD burner. I plan on gutting the 120gb drive in the HD6K for something much larger.

I will also use the HD6K to dump my home movies from my Sony HDR-HC1 to either optical disk and also migrate my D-VHS recordings to optical disk per the 5C flag.

My past experience with the Mits "master 1394 controller" has been very positive and sucessful. Anyone else using the HD6k or similar device to do the same?

Let us know how the HDD transplant goes, thats whats been putting me off from buying one of these units, plus dual tuners would have been nice.

Will do. I plan on integrating the tuner(s) from two other integrated Mits DLP displays via a 1394 network. Technically I will have three tuners and I plan on attempting to add extra drive space via 1394. I will just have to see if I can get three recordings going at once!!! In theory its possible but I will see if NC will let me do it.

If by extra drive space over 1394 you mean AVHDD, that should work.
Anything else won't.

Yes, that is it.

I found those the other day on ebay. I have not heard anything about these, good or bad so let us know how it goes. I was thinking the same thing, that this would work well with my projector and my 73907.

So far, so good. What a beautiful piece of gear!!!

Have you found any strange bugs or limitations yet? Am I right that it has 1 Qam/OTA digital tuner and 1 analog only tuner. I'm sure this is only wishful thinking but will it output firewire or hdmi out of the component outputs so that someone could use it as the promise module for an older Mits. How good is the video processing/upscaling of this box and I'm itching to play with that color decoding that it has. Have you tried adjusting the color to your Pearl to improve the accuracy of the colors, even though you may prefer the inaccuracy of its color decoding like many that do. I'm looking to upgrade my H79 projector to the pearl/JVC/Epson 1080p projectors, haven't decided yet which one even though my dealer has the Pearl and Epson in stock and can get the JVC when it comes out. Seems this box would be a good match for one of these projectors and get net command thrown in for free. Will this pass through 1080p 24/60 to your Pearl using the hdmi?

Have you found any strange bugs or limitations yet? Am I right that it has 1 Qam/OTA digital tuner and 1 analog only tuner............. Will this pass through 1080p 24/60 to your Pearl using the hdmi?
Picked up an HD-6000 a while back. Won't pass HD signal from component inputs to HDMI, downrez to 480p. Got the cablecard functioning(after 3 tech visits, 1st card was bad?) Where's the TVGOS? "Guide" menu just displays channel tuning info and is not populated with program info. I will be calling Mitsubishi this week, perhaps it needs a firmware upgrade? I haven't tried to archive to DVHS from the hard drive, but I believe trying to transfer "copy once" recordings from your DVHS to Blu-Ray probably won't work because of 5C. I cannot transfer 5C recordings between DVHS and Scenium DVR either direction. That is the way it was made to work. I've got a replacement drive coming to test it's reformat capability. If the replacement goes well I will venture to something larger.

1080PNUT- Over in the Indilgta AVHD thread I had asked you about using the HD-6000 as a way to add a HDMI port to a HDTV that only had component and you wrote back-

"...The only devices I have to test HDMI to analog component conversion are The Motorola DCT-6412 and a DVI to HDMI connection from my PC. With 1080i or 720p scan rate selected as output the HD-6000 would bitch about copy protection and only pass 420p through the component outputs..."

Thanks for the info. (I thought it fit better in this thread). One of my interests in the HD-6000 is as a device that would be a workaround for my non-HDMI equipped HDTV if I invested in BR or HD DVD, and they started activating the down-rez for component policy on the disks. From your post, it sounds like it wouldn't work. But what's weird about that is that I thought the HD-6000 was the "Promise Module" that Mits was offering to their early customers that bought their component & firewire (but no HDMI/DVI) HDTV's in 2002-2005.

It seems odd that the box that was supposed to provide those early customers a way to use the latest technology, i.e. HDMI equipped BR and HD-DVD players, would end up doing the same down-rez for component bs that those players may eventually do. This seems like 5c run amok. --hourglass

1080PNUT- Over in the Indilgta AVHD thread I had asked you about using the HD-6000 as a way to add a HDMI port to a HDTV that only had component ................It seems odd that the box that was supposed to provide those early customers a way to use the latest technology, i.e. HDMI equipped BR and HD-DVD players, would end up doing the same down-rez for component bs that those players may eventually do. This seems like 5c run amok. --hourglass
I have heard about the "Promise" module, I don't think it is the HD-6000. With HDMI selected as input, with a 1080i program coming from the HD cablebox monitoring the component output from the HD-6000 resulted in downres. When I tried to force it to display 1080i or 720p in the scan rate settings it would display a message and show nothing. It had to be set to automatic on scan rate and at that point it would display @480. It did the same thing for a PC output from DVI to HDMI. Perhaps someone else can try the same experiment.
Addendum: There is also an RS232C port labeled MonitorLink(tm) Control which I don't know anything about and I cannot test because it is only for a Mits TV which I don't own.

Promise module was to add *firewire* to TVs not equipped as such.
Not to add HDMI to TVs with only component in.

Picked up an HD-6000 a while back. Won't pass HD signal from component inputs to HDMI, downrez to 480p.

My experience differs. I pass 1080i in comp1 and output 1080i HDMI to my projector via the HD-6000.

Promise module was to add *firewire* to TVs not equipped as such.

Actually it was firewire and a digital tuner. Just for the record. ;) ;) ;)

I haven't tried to archive to DVHS from the hard drive, but I believe trying to transfer "copy once" recordings from your DVHS to Blu-Ray probably won't work because of 5C. I cannot transfer 5C recordings between DVHS and Scenium DVR either direction.

Connecting DVHS or other 5C enabled 1394 device to a Blu-Ray recorder with firewire will work via the HD-6000 if the 5C flag allows for it. I have sucessfully copied content from DVHS to the HD6k hard drive and back.

Have you found any strange bugs or limitations yet? Am I right that it has 1 Qam/OTA digital tuner and 1 analog only tuner. I'm sure this is only wishful thinking but will it output firewire or hdmi out of the component outputs so that someone could use it as the promise module for an older Mits. How good is the video processing/upscaling of this box and I'm itching to play with that color decoding that it has. Have you tried adjusting the color to your Pearl to improve the accuracy of the colors, even though you may prefer the inaccuracy of its color decoding like many that do. I'm looking to upgrade my H79 projector to the pearl/JVC/Epson 1080p projectors, haven't decided yet which one even though my dealer has the Pearl and Epson in stock and can get the JVC when it comes out. Seems this box would be a good match for one of these projectors and get net command thrown in for free. Will this pass through 1080p 24/60 to your Pearl using the hdmi?

No strange bugs. You are correct on the tuner specs but additional tuners can be mated via 1394. I have not tried 1394 in, HDMI out but component in and HDMI out works. Video looks good. I just use the color decoding on my Pearl for now.

Connecting DVHS or other 5C enabled 1394 device to a Blu-Ray recorder with firewire will work via the HD-6000 if the 5C flag allows for it. I have sucessfully copied content from DVHS to the HD6k hard drive and back.

If your DVHS is Mits (only has firewire output), can you use the HD-6000 to pump your DVHS movies to your projector? It seems there are no firewire equipped projectors, not even by Mits. --hourglass

Yes, the HD-6000 does take my Mits DVHS in 1394 and play it out HDMI to my projector.

Thanks for the info Kipp. Sounds like the HD-6000 is quite a box. It's too bad it originally had such an outrageous price ($2K). Had it been more reasonably priced Mits might have sold a ton of them. At their current going price I'm tempted. My CRT RPTV Mits 65869 set is getting a bit dated feature-wise, but the picture remains excellent. The HD-6000 would give me an HDMI port, a cablecard slot, an added DVR (I have a RCA-DVR2160), and a Netcommand update, as well as a way to get DVHS out to a (future) pj. Hope you keep posting on your project. I'm definitely subscribed to this thread! --hourglass

hourglass,
You do understand that unless you have an HDMI input on your display, the HDMI on the HD-6000 will be of no value.

Kipp, what is the function of the HDMI input? Is it just a pass through to the HDMI output or can those signals be recorded on the HDD or on a IEEE device?

Of course not, unless someone mistyped the price of that thing from $20000 to $2000

One can always hope :)

Kipp, what is the function of the HDMI input? Is it just a pass through to the HDMI output or can those signals be recorded on the HDD or on a IEEE device?

It is pass through as a device. The HDMI in will only output HD over the HDMI output. No recording.

My experience differs. I pass 1080i in comp1 and output 1080i HDMI to my projector via the HD-6000.


Kipp- I guess I misunderstood when you said your experience was different than 1080PNUT's. I missed that you were refering to his post #9, whereas I was looking at what I had quoted 1080PNUT said in my post #10--going the other way (HDMI to component, which is what I want):

From post #10: "...The only devices I have to test HDMI to analog component conversion are The Motorola DCT-6412 and a DVI to HDMI connection from my PC. With 1080i or 720p scan rate selected as output the HD-6000 would bitch about copy protection and only pass 420p through the component outputs..."

and he encountered the down-rez. Damn! --hourglass

It is pass through as a device. The HDMI in will only output HD over the HDMI output. No recording.

Kipp,

I have a keen interest in this topic. What if the data fed through the HDMI input is not HDCP protected? Could it record that signal to the hard drive? For example, if an HD sat receiver is hooked up via HDMI, could it pause live TV from that receiver?

Thanks,
Mike

What I meant to say in post #9 was as I had written earlier in AVHDD thread. Sorry about the misstatement. HD signal is not passed from HDMI input to component output except downrezzed. Still no TVGOS joy.

Kipp- I guess I misunderstood when you said your experience was different than 1080PNUT's. I missed that you were refering to his post #9, whereas I was looking at what I had quoted 1080PNUT said in my post #10--going the other way (HDMI to component, which is what I want):

From post #10: "...The only devices I have to test HDMI to analog component conversion are The Motorola DCT-6412 and a DVI to HDMI connection from my PC. With 1080i or 720p scan rate selected as output the HD-6000 would bitch about copy protection and only pass 420p through the component outputs..."

and he encountered the down-rez. Damn! --hourglass

Take a look back at what I quoted from 1080PNUT, it was component in, HDMI out.

Kipp,

I have a keen interest in this topic. What if the data fed through the HDMI input is not HDCP protected? Could it record that signal to the hard drive? For example, if an HD sat receiver is hooked up via HDMI, could it pause live TV from that receiver?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike,
Unfortunately no. This would require a real time MPEG2 encoder which the 6000 does not have for an incoming HD signal.

Mike,
Unfortunately no. This would require a real time MPEG2 encoder which the 6000 does not have for an incoming HD signal.

So, you are saying that it can only pause live TV if it is 480i, or that it can only pause TV that is fed via component? I have one of these coming soon and I'm going to be a bit bummed if I can't pause live HDTV.

interesting... any compatibilities with the LG 3410 PVR?

Will the HD-6000 record HDV over firewire from the Sony HDV camcorders?

?? I would imagine it can only pause whatever live TV received by the built in ATSC/QAM tuners.

Will the HD-6000 record HDV over firewire from the Sony HDV camcorders?

Should work, my AVHDD does that.

Take a look back at what I quoted from 1080PNUT, it was component in, HDMI out.

Yep. I got it. Sorry for the confusion. --hourglass

Should work, my AVHDD does that.

I ask because neither the LG 3410 DVR nor the Mits HS 2000 D-VHS VCR will record directly from a Sony HDV camcorder.

Can someone please try this with the Mits HD-6ooo?

Received Spinpoint SP1203N. Used reformat command from reset menu - no luck. Still cannot find a way to view partition info from original HD-6000 hard drive. In XP it appears in device manager, but there is nothing in Disk Management. When booting to DOS, ghost doesn't see it, gdisk doesn't see it. I'm at an impasse. On a different note, AvhddPlayer23 does function correctly with the unit.
Hey timecop, how big was the drive that you imaged from the rec pot? Could it somehow be made available?

So, you are saying that it can only pause live TV if it is 480i, or that it can only pause TV that is fed via component? I have one of these coming soon and I'm going to be a bit bummed if I can't pause live HDTV.
Like timecop said it will pause and record the signal received by the tuner whether it is standard or high definition, analog or digital. It will also record and pause the signal received on Inputs 1 & 2(S-Video, Composite) as long as there isn't Macrovision.

So, you are saying that it can only pause live TV if it is 480i, or that it can only pause TV that is fed via component? I have one of these coming soon and I'm going to be a bit bummed if I can't pause live HDTV.

The DVR only records from the internal tuner and other 1394 devices.

interesting... any compatibilities with the LG 3410 PVR?

I had a 3410 and like the 6000 much better. Many more options and recording 1394 flexibilities.

Will the HD-6000 record HDV over firewire from the Sony HDV camcorders?

I tried tonight with my HC1 and it recorded perfectly.

Received Spinpoint SP1203N. Used reformat command from reset menu - no luck. Still cannot find a way to view partition info from original HD-6000 hard drive. In XP it appears in device manager, but there is nothing in Disk Management. When booting to DOS, ghost doesn't see it, gdisk doesn't see it. I'm at an impasse. On a different note, AvhddPlayer23 does function correctly with the unit.
Hey timecop, how big was the drive that you imaged from the rec pot? Could it somehow be made available?

Can you please post the service menu code?

Just bought one of these from Walts and I should receive it on the 26th. This thing just seemed to be to cool for me not to have! Only thing I don't know is if Cox cable uses (or allows) cable card in my area. :confused:

The DVR only records from the internal tuner and other 1394 devices.
It will also record and pause from S-Video and Composite inputs 1&2.
Like I said in the PM reply, Reset Menu is - TV Menu then 1,2,3. This is the only service menu I know. I thought you said your HD-6000 was new, how come you didn't get a manual?

Received Spinpoint SP1203N. Used reformat command from reset menu - no luck. Still cannot find a way to view partition info from original HD-6000 hard drive. In XP it appears in device manager, but there is nothing in Disk Management. When booting to DOS, ghost doesn't see it, gdisk doesn't see it. I'm at an impasse. On a different note, AvhddPlayer23 does function correctly with the unit.
Hey timecop, how big was the drive that you imaged from the rec pot? Could it somehow be made available?

recpot image is 80gb.
since its full of recordings, it will probably be exactly 80gb to download even if I delete them all. my RCA avhdd image was 160gb. I don't know anyone around here with a larger sized recpot.

What happened with your resizing experiment? WHen you plug in a blank drive into the 6000 does it not recognize/allow to format it?

It will also record and pause from S-Video and Composite inputs 1&2.
Like I said in the PM reply, Reset Menu is - TV Menu then 1,2,3. This is the only service menu I know. I thought you said your HD-6000 was new, how come you didn't get a manual?

I was reffering to digital inputs as I do not do any analog recordings. I have not for a few years. Yes, my unit is new and came with a manual. Mits does not put their service menu codes in the user manuals. Mits uses a four digit code for the service menu so I assume what you are entering is a user menu, not the service menu. This explains why you ignored my PM from a few days ago. :o :o :o

I was reffering to digital inputs as I do not do any analog recordings. I have not for a few years. Yes, my unit is new and came with a manual. Mits does not put their service menu codes in the user manuals. Mits uses a four digit code for the service menu so I assume what you are entering is a user menu, not the service menu. This explains why you ignored my PM from a few days ago. :o :o :o
I didn't ignore it - I replied to it. When I look at my messages it shows the icon that represents a reply. Something must have gone wrong with the avsforum message server. Sorry

recpot image is 80gb.
since its full of recordings, it will probably be exactly 80gb to download even if I delete them all. my RCA avhdd image was 160gb. I don't know anyone around here with a larger sized recpot.

What happened with your resizing experiment? WHen you plug in a blank drive into the 6000 does it not recognize/allow to format it?
I can run the reformat command from the reset menu but it does nothing. I tried this on a raw drive with no partitions defined since I have no idea about the partition structure. I am curious if anyone else can at least clone this drive, and maybe my disk is the only one that exhibits this behavior. I am just about ready to call it quits on this one.

If you wanna give it a try, I can provide the 80gb image for you to download, just don't really expect it to do anything useful :)

I tried tonight with my HC1 and it recorded perfectly.

Very good news!

Three remaining questions:

1. Will the Mits HD-6000 and the LG3410a talk to each other over firewire, and can content from each DVR's harddrive be transferred to the other?

2. Are there any simple editing features on the HD-6000 as are present on the LG 3410a?

3. Any luck replacing the harddrive on the HD-6000 with a larger GB drive? This is a snap on the LG.

I didn't ignore it - I replied to it. When I look at my messages it shows the icon that represents a reply. Something must have gone wrong with the avsforum message server. Sorry

Not a problem. Please do not take my comment about ignoring the wrong way. :) :) :)

If you wanna give it a try, I can provide the 80gb image for you to download, just don't really expect it to do anything useful :)
I very much appreciate the offer. My thinking was that your image was from a product that used the same or similar interface board that the Mitsubishi DVR does. AVHDDPlayer also fuctions correctly with the Mits DVR. Could you tell what make, model of hard drive it is? This image was created with dd.exe? Thanks

Have tried for 3 days to talk to somebody at Mitsubishi who knows anything about the HD-6000 and TVGOS. Their support really stinks. As far as I can tell there is no TV guide contrary to the claims here. HD6000 info (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/j/i/18326/HD6000.html?cid=41)
If someone populates their cablecard slot I'd appreciate any info regarding whether or not they have TVGOS.

Just got off the phone with escalated support. The word from Mitsubishi engineer - no TVGOS. Sugar Honey Ice Tea.

Just got off the phone with escalated support. The word form Mitsubishi engineer - no TVGOS. Sugar Honey Ice Tea.
Are you saying that TVGOS does not work on any HD-6000's?

So you can only do manually-scheduled recordings?

Are you saying that TVGOS does not work on any HD-6000's?

So you can only do manually-scheduled recordings?
That is what I was told by Mitsubishi. Manual recordings only. I still would have bought it, but it's a bummer, dude.

I very much appreciate the offer. My thinking was that your image was from a product that used the same or similar interface board that the Mitsubishi DVR does. AVHDDPlayer also fuctions correctly with the Mits DVR. Could you tell what make, model of hard drive it is? This image was created with dd.exe? Thanks

Correct.
It uses same panasonic chipset as you mentioned earlier.
The image was created with dd.exe, right.
And you'll have to wait until I get home to get the make/model but I'm almost sure it was a maxtor drive - but I won't know for sure until I open it up again.

Correct.
It uses same panasonic chipset as you mentioned earlier.
The image was created with dd.exe, right.
And you'll have to wait until I get home to get the make/model but I'm almost sure it was a maxtor drive - but I won't know for sure until I open it up again.



My Hd6000 used a Samsung Drive. Samsung SV1203N. It's a 5400 RPM drive optimized for CE/DVR.

The Panasonic AVHDD chip uses ATA security to password protect the drive. Unlike the indigita, you can't just attach the drive to a linux box and copy the image. You can, however, boot the drive connected to the AVHDD controller, and then move the cable to the linux box.


TW

Very good news!

Three remaining questions:

1. Will the Mits HD-6000 and the LG3410a talk to each other over firewire, and can content from each DVR's harddrive be transferred to the other?

2. Are there any simple editing features on the HD-6000 as are present on the LG 3410a?

3. Any luck replacing the harddrive on the HD-6000 with a larger GB drive? This is a snap on the LG.

Still need to know... :confused:

Thanks.

Very good news!

Three remaining questions:

1. Will the Mits HD-6000 and the LG3410a talk to each other over firewire, and can content from each DVR's harddrive be transferred to the other?

2. Are there any simple editing features on the HD-6000 as are present on the LG 3410a?

3. Any luck replacing the harddrive on the HD-6000 with a larger GB drive? This is a snap on the LG.

1. Yes and yes per the 5C flag.

2. No.

3. I have not attempted yet.

Hi All,

Can I use the HD6000 as a stand-alone recorder (like DVHS recorder) to off load those 5c-enabled programs in the HD of my Comcast Mot 3412? I am thinking to store those programs temporarily in HD6000 until the Blue-Ray/HD DVD recorders become more realistic and burn the programs to disk permenantly. I need to free up HD space on my 3412. For those beautyful PBS HD programs I can record to XP through firewire (especially those Met Opera HD broadcasts). I don't want to invest in the DVHS recorder in this time.

Thanks,

MFmahler

My Hd6000 used a Samsung Drive. Samsung SV1203N. It's a 5400 RPM drive optimized for CE/DVR.

The Panasonic AVHDD chip uses ATA security to password protect the drive. Unlike the indigita, you can't just attach the drive to a linux box and copy the image. You can, however, boot the drive connected to the AVHDD controller, and then move the cable to the linux box.


TW
I haven't learned Linux. Tried this approach with DOS and XP, and had no luck, still can't access drive.

Hi All,

Can I use the HD6000 as a stand-alone recorder (like DVHS recorder) to off load those 5c-enabled programs in the HD of my Comcast Mot 3412? I am thinking to store those programs temporarily in HD6000 until the Blue-Ray/HD DVD recorders become more realistic and burn the programs to disk permenantly. I need to free up HD space on my 3412. For those beautyful PBS HD programs I can record to XP through firewire (especially those Met Opera HD broadcasts). I don't want to invest in the DVHS recorder in this time.

Thanks,

MFmahler
I used the HD-6000 to transfer a HBO HD recording from the Mot DCT6412 III to DVR2160 with mixed success. Stream was glitchy when played back on Toshiba 50HP95. On paper it should work, in the real world, you'll only know when you get a Blu-Ray recorder.

Hello. Kipp, when you decided to use a Mits as a hub have you been considering other options. I am thinking here about Pioneer media box. It has many inputs, cable card and firewire. I would like to know your opinion, and others too, about this media box. They show up on ebay from time to time with reasonable prices. Brgds, Robert.

robnec,
Yes I did consider other options but the Mits matched my needs the most. Also, I could not beat the price.

Does anyone know where I can find a download of the manual for this unit? Or can someone send me a copy?

I have an e-copy of the service manual for it if anyone wants to swap manuals. I just can't find the Owner's manual for it anywhere:confused:

Does anyone know where I can find a download of the manual for this unit? Or can someone send me a copy?

I have an e-copy of the service manual for it if anyone wants to swap manuals. I just can't find the Owner's manual for it anywhere:confused:

I have a hard copy of the manual that I could scan and PDF. Might be a bit of a project at over 150 pages! I would like to swap for the service manual, so let me see what I can do over the weekend.

That would be GREAT Mike:)!!!

If the manual has a bunch of different languages you can just do the English version for me to save you some scanning.

I'll get that SM out to you after that. PM me here when it's ready and I'll give you my email address.

Dave,
Could you please post the service menu procedure and code?

I'll send you the whole darn service manual if you want it?:D Send a PM to me with your email.

All I ask in return is possible assistance with one of these that I may be getting that needs some repair work done on it.

Here's a few I found so far:

OPTION MENU
1. Press the “MENU” button on the remote hand unit.
2. Press the buttons “2”, “4”, “7” and “0” in order.
(The screen will change to the option menu.)

B. A/V Reset
1. Press the GUIDE and FORMAT buttons on the front panel to reset all A/V Memories to default.
2. The AV Reset in the user’s menu initializes only the selected input’s A/V Memory.

Remote Control Operational Modes
There are two Remote Hand Unit Operational Modes, “Standard” and “NetCommandTM”. The Remote is initially
in the “Standard” mode. The “NetCommandT” mode is used when controlling Home Theater devices using
NetCommand. To change the Remote Operational Mode:
• Set the Remote to the CABLE/DBS/DTV Layer.
• Point the Remote away from the STB.
• To change to “Netcommand” ... Hold the “Power” button and press “1-9-7” in sequence.
• To change to “Standard” ... Hold the “Power” button and press “0-0-0” in sequence.

Activating the adjustment mode
1. Press the “MENU” button on a remote hand unit.
(The “MENU” display will appear.)
2. Press the buttons “2”, “4”, “5” and “7” in that order. (The screen will change to the adjustment mode.)
If not changed to the adjustment mode, repeat steps 1 and 2.

My Disclaimer: I am NOT responsible for ANY DAMAGE whatsoever that you may do to your HD6000 by accessing any of these sub-menus:eek:

I'll send you the whole darn service manual if you want it?:D Send a PM to me with your email.

All I ask in return is possible assistance with one of these that I may be getting that needs some repair work done on it.

I will be more than happy to help where I can. Thanks for posting the code/procedure.

No problem Kipp. Do you want a copy of the SM?

Received my HD6000 on Monday. I must say I was surprised by the build quality of this thing! I don't know why they thought they needed to put that big blue light on the front. Kind of reminds me of my Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray player. Things I don't like is the fan is on all the time, even when turned off. If you watch analog channel you don't get sound out of the digital output, this is the first stb that I've had that wouldn't send analog channel audio out of the digital output. I thought this thing only had 1 digital tuner but I can get HD digital cable on input 1 and HD from antenna on input 2, and the tuner seems to pickup all available stations and maybe some that I didn't even know about. Haven't had a chance to play with it as much as I would have liked, because I ran into a snag and had to order a hdmi cable to go to my projector. My projector has DVI and I've been using a fiber optic DVI cable and using an adaptor to plug in my Toshiba A1 and Sony S1 and a hdmi switcher I just bought to my projector with no problems. For some reason Hd6000 will not work with my DVI fiber optic cable with the adaptor, it will have a picture for a second or two and then lose sync and just keeps doing this until I lose sync :mad: I used the hdmi cable that came with the unit and an adaptor on the projector end of the cable and all seems to work fine? I read in the manual that if using a DVI display to make sure to us the adaptor on the display end of the cable.

I REALLY want a copy of the manual ASAP. I'm trying to decide quickly if I'm going to grab one.

Can someone please help me find one?

Can someone confirm that you can control an RCA DVR2160 via firewire with this unit to add more storage space? I have one here that I can't get working with anything I have.

Thanks:)!!!

I REALLY want a copy of the manual ASAP. I'm trying to decide quickly if I'm going to grab one.

Can someone please help me find one?

Dave,
I can copy my manual next week and mail to you. It used to be available online but I can't find it anymore.

Can someone confirm that you can control an RCA DVR2160 via firewire with this unit to add more storage space? I have one here that I can't get working with anything I have.

Thanks:)!!!
My experience has been that the HD-6000 controls the DVR2160, DVR2080, JVC 30K and Mits DVHS without a problem.

I have a question on the remote. It actually took me almost 2 nights to find the back light button on my remote. Is everybody's back light button kind of sunken in and not sticking out like you would think it should be? I can get to the button to turn on the back light but it seems a little odd. My remote for my Mits tv has a button on the left side but it definitely sticks out a little for good access to the button. Just want to make sure nothing is wrong with my remote. :o

Thanks for the answers Kipp and 1080PNUT:)!!! I'm probably going to get this piece then.

Since I can't find a manual and no one seems to have scanned it in, can someone tell me how you do recordings? It doesn't support TVGOS as it says it does in the brochure, correct? You have to manually set to record a certain time and channel right?

Is there any kind of guide whatsoever on this thing? Can I use it with a Comcast 3412 DVR via firewire so I can initially record the show on the 3412, then transfer it to DVHS or the HD6K?

Thanks for the help in advance. I read the thread, but without the manual to check out I'm a little confused on the details of this piece:confused:

Thanks for the answers Kipp and 1080PNUT:)!!! I'm probably going to get this piece then.

It doesn't support TVGOS as it says it does in the brochure, correct? You have to manually set to record a certain time and channel right?

Is there any kind of guide whatsoever on this thing? Can I use it with a Comcast 3412 DVR via firewire so I can initially record the show on the 3412, then transfer it to DVHS or the HD6K?

Thanks for the help in advance. I read the thread, but without the manual to check out I'm a little confused on the details of this piece:confused:
1. NO TVGOS
2. I can transfer from Motorola 6412, don't know about 3412.
3. There is a channel view with cablecard - it just lists the digital stations name, no analog channel name, no program info.

4. Here is the Owner's Guide, HD6000.zip (http://www.gregroz.com/HD6000/HD6000.zip) 23MB - enjoy
Thanks for the link.

My HD-6000 has software version HD6K 006.01. Is this the most current? Anyone know how to get an update if not?

Same here for me.

1. NO TVGOS
2. I can transfer from Motorola 6412, don't know about 3412.
3. There is a channel view with cablecard - it just lists the digital stations name, no analog channel name, no program info.
4. Here is the Owner's Guide, HD6000.zip (http://www.gregroz.com/HD6000/HD6000.zip) 23MB - enjoy


Thanks a bunch 1080PNUT:)

I've been playing with my HD-6000 for a couple of days now.
Does anybody know how to change input while the unit is recording from the OTA antenna? All devices are grayed out while recording from the tuner.

Elms

I do not think you can.

I do not think you can.

I agree. I can't figure out a way to do it. Here's another question: How do you use the HDMI input? It seems like the software does not support it, since it is not listed?

The HDMI in is a pass through. I use it for my DVD changer.

The HDMI in is a pass through. I use it for my DVD changer.

So, how do you tell it to display the internally generated HDMI signal rather than the Pass Through signal, or vice-versa?

In NetCommand select Monitor Link as the input.

In NetCommand select Monitor Link as the input.

OK, that makes sense. I didn't know what Monitor Link was and turned it off.

Thanks!

Kipp, maybe I misread but did you say you were also using a firewire-equiped BD recorder? What device would that be?

You could do it with a Sony VAIO laptop or PC that has the BD drive in it and firewire, but I think 5C protection might be an issue w/ premium content.

Right, it's why I was curious ;)

Kipp, maybe I misread but did you say you were also using a firewire-equiped BD recorder? What device would that be?

Not yet. My plan is to incorporate the 1394 Blu-Ray and HD-DVD devices.

You could do it with a Sony VAIO laptop or PC that has the BD drive in it and firewire, but I think 5C protection might be an issue w/ premium content.

That is true. We will be able to use the HD opitical hardware in the same manner as D-VHS.

Does anyone know where I can find a download of the manual for this unit? Or can someone send me a copy?

I have an e-copy of the service manual for it if anyone wants to swap manuals. I just can't find the Owner's manual for it anywhere:confused:

I have a pdf of the owner's manual for the HD-6000 and would love to get my hands on the e-service manual. Are you still looking?

Thanks,
Mike

Tried to archive an HBO HD movie from the HD6K TV Disc to a Mits DVHS - the vcr responds:"no copy", SOB!!!

I have a pdf of the owner's manual for the HD-6000 and would love to get my hands on the e-service manual. Are you still looking?

Thanks,
Mike

Is it the pdf from Mitsubishi? If so, I'm sure other members would like to have it. Could you provide a link?

Sure Mike, I'll take a copy and I can send the SM when I return to the office next week from Hawaii:D!!!

It's a very good scan. I don't have a place to host it so no link. I'd need to exchange emails or something like that with you.

Hope you are enjoying the weather on the islands although I can't complain much about the weather here in Denver.

;)

Tried to archive an HBO HD movie from the HD6K TV Disc to a Mits DVHS - the vcr responds:"no copy", SOB!!!

From where was the movie recorded-cable or satellite?

From where was the movie recorded-cable or satellite?
It was from the cablecard. This unit is not a satellite receiver.

It was from the cablecard. This unit is not a satellite receiver.

Sounds as if your cable co has the 5C flag set to copy once. I have many movies that were set to copy freely.

Sounds as if your cable co has the 5C flag set to copy once. I have many movies that were set to copy freely.
Yeah, the premium stations have been that way for me since the beginning with the cablecards.
Funny thing though, you can copy the HBO movies from Cox's DVR.

Yeah, the premium stations have been that way for me since the beginning with the cablecards.
Funny thing though, you can copy the HBO movies from Cox's DVR.


Yes, apparently there are different interpretations of "copy once." Some DVRs allow a copy to be made from recorded programs while others do not.

I am having problems with HDCP from the HDMI Monitor Out to an HDMI Moome card (Sony 1272 projector). Is anyone else using the HDMI out on the HD-6000?

I am running HDMI out to my Sony Pearl (via a Pioneer VSX-84TXsi) . No issues.

I am running HDMI out to my Sony Pearl (via a Pioneer VSX-84TXsi) . No issues.

So, you watch all of your sources via HDMI, out of the HD-6000 to the Pioneer and then to the Pearl? In other words, all of your video sources run through the HD-6000?

No, I only run one HDMI source through the 6k among other devices. I have three other HDMI sources running through the Pioneer.

After having this device for a while now, I am very happy with my purchase. Bring on the HD-DVD & Blu-Ray recorders with 1394!!!

After having this device for a while now, I am very happy with my purchase. Bring on the HD-DVD & Blu-Ray recorders with 1394!!!

Kipp,

I want to say thanks for starting this thread. It gave me the confidence to try the 6000 and like you, I'm happy. My only real issue is a few glitches when recording to the hard drive. Seems like every show has about a second of breakup in it somewhere.

I think we should compile a list of non-intuitive features and tips for this thing to help others out. Without that, I think some folks might get discouraged when trying to set it up.

Mike

Anyone that found one of these, where did you get it from and what was the price?
All I have found was from Walts' TV ($900) & DigitalCraze ( $850) and a "Buy it now' e-bay listing for $770 plus shipping.

Anyone that found one of these, where did you get it from and what was the price?
All I have found was from Walts' TV ($900) & DigitalCraze ( $850) and a "Buy it now' e-bay listing for $770 plus shipping.

I picked one up on e-bay for less than $500. It was used, but just like new.

That's really a hit or miss deal.

That's really a hit or miss deal.

Yep, that's for sure. I think they were just $600 at Walts a couple months ago. I wonder why they have gone up?

I have a Hd-6000 like new , i loved it while i used it nicest peice of gear i have seen, solid and well built, thinking of selling it but not sure.
Another nice feature is it has rgbhv output for crt use !
Athansios

Anyone that has/had the Sony HDD that has this would comment?

I had three Sony HDD500's, but I'm not sure what you're asking to comment about:confused:???

If anyone has one of these they want to get rid of, PM me ASAP. I've finally decided to try one in my demo room to mate with the Sony 50" SXRD and RCA DVR2160.

It is pass through as a device. The HDMI in will only output HD over the HDMI output. No recording.

If you have component plus audio as an input will it output the audio + video over hdmi?

If you have component plus audio as an input will it output the audio + video over hdmi?

I run my DVD component signal into the mits and it outputs the video via HDMI. However, hooking up to the HDMI turns the component output off. It is like the HDMI has priority, so when you hook the cable to it the component output is shut off.

I don't have a way to test the audio out via HDMI. I suspect that it will send the audio out also, but don't know for sure.

I had three Sony HDD500's, but I'm not sure what you're asking to comment about??? Comparision between the two. Pros & cons.

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't yet own the HD6000, so I can't really comment there. I hope to have one soon though.

I know it's been said that TVGOS doesn't work with the HD6000. When I had the Sony HDD500 the only way I got TVGOS was if I had an OTA antenna installed to get the info off of a local broadcaster's signal (PBS I think). Could that be the case also with the HD6000? Maybe those not getting it aren't utilizing the OTA antenna to get the info and if I use my antenna I could get the TVGOS info downloaded?

Can someone with an OTA antenna installed confirm or deny the reception of the TVGOS?

I know it's been said that TVGOS doesn't work with the HD6000. When I had the Sony HDD500 the only way I got TVGOS was if I had an OTA antenna installed to get the info off of a local broadcaster's signal (PBS I think). Could that be the case also with the HD6000? Maybe those not getting it aren't utilizing the OTA antenna to get the info and if I use my antenna I could get the TVGOS info downloaded?

Can someone with an OTA antenna installed confirm or deny the reception of the TVGOS?

I can confirm that the guide situation is pretty bleak. The guide info is updated when the unit is turned off, but only the OTA channels update. Nothing for cable, and I always have the OTA antenna hooked up.

Thanks Mike.. unfortunately that's what I thought:( So if you put up the so called "guide" in the HD6000, what exactly do you get and can you schedule one-time and recurring recordings from there based on at least the time and channel? You're saying you do get program info for the OTA signals?

Thanks Mike.. unfortunately that's what I thought:( So if you put up the so called "guide" in the HD6000, what exactly do you get and can you schedule one-time and recurring recordings from there based on at least the time and channel? You're saying you do get program info for the OTA signals?

The guide for the OTA channels is fine. You hit Guide to see the list and then scroll down the channel your interested in. Scroll to the right on that channel and it shows several hours of future programming. Highlight the program you want to record and hit Record. It schedules the recording for you. If you are watching a different channel at that time, it gives you a 2 minute warning and then switches the display to the recording program. While you watch it you can pause and skip forward while it continues to record.

You can record by channel and time easily, even for cable channels, just look the guide up on the web to get the time right. It will also manage your recording to a VCR if you are doing standard def, or to a DVCR for HD.

I would say that it does recording just fine, but you are flying blind on cable channels with respect to the guide.

I know it's been said that TVGOS doesn't work with the HD6000. When I had the Sony HDD500 the only way I got TVGOS was if I had an OTA antenna installed to get the info off of a local broadcaster's signal (PBS I think). Could that be the case also with the HD6000? Maybe those not getting it aren't utilizing the OTA antenna to get the info and if I use my antenna I could get the TVGOS info downloaded?

Can someone with an OTA antenna installed confirm or deny the reception of the TVGOS?
I also use OTA antennas. As Mike said, the HD-6000 has a pretty basic program guide. It works, but it is definitely not the "TV Guide On Screen" system that was promised in some of the early promotional material. Maybe Mitsubishi originally planned to include it, or maybe the product spec writer just got confused.

How many hours/days in the future can Mits's guide show??

So, you are saying that it can only pause live TV if it is 480i, or that it can only pause TV that is fed via component? I have one of these coming soon and I'm going to be a bit bummed if I can't pause live HDTV.


XC

How many hours/days in the future can Mits's guide show??

It shows 7 days of data...the current day, plus 6 ahead.

It shows 7 days of data...the current day, plus 6 ahead.
We are talking about the Mitsubishi HD-6000, right? I've never seen more than about 14 hours ahead. In the ChannelView window, pressing the Adjust Right button displays detailed schedule info for the selected channel in the right column. Sometimes the column is full, but I've never seen a way to scroll down further into the future.

"7 days of data" sounds more like TV Guide On Screen. A product specification sheet I read before I bought the HD-6000 says it has TV Guide On Screen, but the Owner's Guide doesn't mention it, and in fact the unit doesn't have it. My software version is HD6K 006.01; has anyone seen anything newer (or older)?

We are talking about the Mitsubishi HD-6000, right? I've never seen more than about 14 hours ahead. In the ChannelView window, pressing the Adjust Right button displays detailed schedule info for the selected channel in the right column. Sometimes the column is full, but I've never seen a way to scroll down further into the future.

"7 days of data" sounds more like TV Guide On Screen. A product specification sheet I read before I bought the HD-6000 says it has TV Guide On Screen, but the Owner's Guide doesn't mention it, and in fact the unit doesn't have it. My software version is HD6K 006.01; has anyone seen anything newer (or older)?

My apologies. I was indeed referring to my Mits which has TV Guide On Screen. I was making an assumption that it was the same implementation in the 6000.

Hi, I have a question about the HD-6000 - it sounds from this thread like "copy once" programs cannot be copied from the hard drive to D-VHS, is that right?

If so, is there a way to record shows from the HD-6000's tuner "live" over firewire to D-VHS, so that you don't need the intermediate step of recording to the hard drive? I ask because I'm hoping that will satisfy its idea of "copy once" to let you record to D-VHS - has anyone tried that?

Thanks!

If so, is there a way to record shows from the HD-6000's tuner "live" over firewire to D-VHS, so that you don't need the intermediate step of recording to the hard drive? I ask because I'm hoping that will satisfy its idea of "copy once" to let you record to D-VHS - has anyone tried that?

Thanks!
Yes, you can schedule recordings to your DVHS deck.

Yes, you can schedule recordings to your DVHS deck.Great, thanks!

And do you know for sure if doing it that way will let you record programs marked "copy once" to D-VHS? (My guess is probably, but I'm just wondering if you or anyone else has done it and had it work?)

Yes, it will.
Because that's just how it works.

Yes, it will.
Because that's just how it works.Okay, thanks!

Now I just need to find one to buy... :D

I believe nashou66 on this forum still has one he's selling. Try to send him a PM.

Okay, thanks, I'll do that.

No problem Brainiac 5. Have you tried www.walts.com yet?

I noticed you're from Columbia, MD and not too far from me. Let me know when you're ready to have your HD displays ISF Calibrated:)!!!

Walt's lists it on their web site, but it says "out of stock." Maybe I'll send them a query anyway.

Also, so Columbia, MD is not too far? I'll keep that in mind; my future purchase plans have me thinking I may be looking for such services at some point... :)

Sorry for the late response. I've been out in Indiana on an ISF calibration tour.

I actually drove past the exit for Columbia, MD on the way out and back, so it's not too far.

Did you find out if Walt's is getting any in?

nashou66 commented:
> Another nice feature is it has rgbhv output for crt use ! <

Just so no one is misled, according to the Owners Manual, the RGB+HV connectors are both input only. The VGA connector is for PC input, strictly at 640x480 @60Hz. The RCA-pin cluster will handle RGB+HV signals at HDTV rates.

There is no RGB+HV output for CRT use (like there is, for example, on the LST-3410A). There's a single analog HD output, which is YPbPr.

- Tim

Did you find out if Walt's is getting any in?I sent them an e-mail, but never got a response. :confused:

I didn't bother to call them on the phone, because in the meantime I talked to nashou66 and am buying his. It should be here soon! :D

That's great. I'm so glad he finally sold it. I was about to buy it, but decided to hold off for a bit, then Walt's offered me accommodation pricing on one.

Enjoy:)

Has anyone run into channels that they cannot record with the HD-6000? I seem to have some. If I try to record them to the hard drive, it looks like they're recording, but afterwards when I play them back I just get a blue or gray screen. If I try to record to D-VHS, it works for a short time and then the picture freezes.

My first thought was the 5C flags, but according to another device I have (TiVo Series 3) the CCI byte for these channels is 0x02 (copy once); I seem to be able to record other channels that have CCI=0x02, so I'm not sure what's different about these. Does anyone know a way to get any information from the HD-6000 about what it thinks the 5C flags are, or any other diagnostic information?

If you have component plus audio as an input will it output the audio + video over hdmi?

Sorry for the delay in my reply. Via the method you describe, my audio does not go to the 6000, it goes directly to my audio receiver. Only via HDMI does the audio pass through the 6000.

No problem Brainiac 5. Have you tried www.walts.com yet?

I noticed you're from Columbia, MD and not too far from me. Let me know when you're ready to have your HD displays ISF Calibrated:)!!!


Apparently the supply has dried up.

Has anyone run into channels that they cannot record with the HD-6000?I take back what I said about the 5C flags above - I don't seem to be able record anything that has a CCI byte other than 0x00. (I just hadn't given some of the CCI=0x02 channels enough time to fail; sometimes it takes a minute or two.)

From this thread, it sounds like other people can record programs to the hard drive when the channel has CCI=0x02 (copy once), right? Has anyone else not been able to do so?

I'm wondering if my cable company has some other aspect of the copy protection set incorrectly... I still have not been able to find any way to get the HD-6000 to display what it thinks the 5C flags are for a channel or any other diagnostic information, does anyone know a way to do that?

Kipp,

now that you've had your HD-6000 for a while, could you give us a summary of what you see as the pros and cons? Vs. say something like the LST-3410A, which you swapped out for the HD-6000.

From my perspective, you gained better integration with your existing Mitsu TV (probably the biggest win), and the CableCARD slot. You lost HDD editability, drive size expansion and swappability, and RGB output (oh, and the TV Guide OSD when it works). You can still add HDD space with AVHDD devices via firewire, but it costs more, with fewer size options. What else?

- Tim

(oh, and the TV Guide OSD when it works)
It was posted earlier in this thread that TVGOS (TV Guide On Screen) is not supported at all on the HD6000. However, the HD6000 can receive guide data for OTA channels, which might be EPG data (Electronic Program Guide).

Right, Erik. I was aware of that limitation. My comment on the TV Guide stuff working sometimes was in reference to the LST-3410A, i.e. one of the features Kipp lost. Re-read my comments above, and I think you'll see how it parses out.

- Tim

......You can still add HDD space with AVHDD devices via firewire......

- Tim

Speaking of which, I have an RCA DVR2160 sitting here collecting dust if anyone wants/needs to add more space to their HD6000?

I never ended up getting the HD6000, so it's here for whomever wants it.

I have an ad here:
http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?sorchdtv&1191898258&class&3&4&

I dropped the price and feel free to make a reasonable offer:)

Kipp,

now that you've had your HD-6000 for a while, could you give us a summary of what you see as the pros and cons? Vs. say something like the LST-3410A, which you swapped out for the HD-6000.

From my perspective, you gained better integration with your existing Mitsu TV (probably the biggest win), and the CableCARD slot. You lost HDD editability, drive size expansion and swappability, and RGB output (oh, and the TV Guide OSD when it works). You can still add HDD space with AVHDD devices via firewire, but it costs more, with fewer size options. What else?

- Tim

Tim,

I would break the pros and cons down to this:

Pros:
HD Recording via NetCommand that offers superior ergonimics to the LG interface
Build quility over the LG
HDMI I/O
Unlimited options
Reliability
CC slot

Cons:
Mits can be quirky at times
You need to familiarize your self with NC or it can be a headache
Some times too many options
1394 can be finicky

Thanks, Kipp! Much appreciated.

- Tim

I used my HD-6000 to record a ball game Saturday. While recording, I paused the live feed, rewound, skipped commercials, etc. The quality of the picture seemed fine on Saturday. On Sunday, I watched the game from the TVdisk, and in many places the picture broke up and the audio was out of sync with the video.

Why? What did I do wrong? Anyone have this problem also?

It could be related to the signal strength. Was this OTA or CC?

No, it was not signal strength. The problems were not there during the live feed of the signal....I was watching it live. They did not show up when I replayed certain sections (basically pausing and replaying while the unit continued to record the live tv feed worked fine). It wasn't until I viewed the program from the TVDisk that all the problems showed up. Kinda weird, huh?

I have a buddy that just bought a new HD-6000 and we are trying to set it up. When we try to teach the remote signals for the various components, the Mits screen just keeps flashing until it times out. We never get the check box that confirms it "learned" the signal.

He has a VCR, a Sony receiver, a DVD player and a Sat box, and none of them will send out a signal that makes the HD-6000 turn on the check box. What gives? Is this unit defective? It picks up the commands from the Mit's remote control just fine. I don't remember having this issue at all with mine.

The software revision is HD6K 006.01

Are you doing the learn exactly as you need to per the manual and have you tried different distances from the unit?

We have tried about every combination of distance, and have even used the wired sensor that plugs into the back. When we plug that in, the sensor on the front of the unit turns off, but the wired one works fine for the Mits remote.

Basically, the Mits remote always works perfectly, but the other remotes never work.

Kipp,

Is the HDMI and analog outputs (composite or s-vid) active at the same time? Thinking about getting an hd6000 and thinking about using my slingbox with it.


Thanks.

Jeff

The component output turns off when you plug a device into the HDMI output. I have not tried the composite or s-video.

Thanks Mike. Anyone else try using composite or s-video while using hdmi?

Just wanted to know if you can capture hd via the component inputs and record it via firewire to dvhs.

I reported the learn mode issue to Mitsubishi. Since I purchased the HD-6000 off ebay, Mits says I have no warranty - irregardless of the fact it is new, never opened.