10aosmer:

Best range overall without being the biggest eyesore would probably be a 4228HD on a rotor. Your stations are in all different directions, which calls for a rotor unless you're willing to just point the antenna in a fixed direction and give up some stations. Although the 4228HD is primarily a UHF antenna, it is designed with a continuous rear reflector which provides modest gain on VHF-high channels (7-13). I'd imagine that a 4228HD would reliably receive all of your UHF stations (when rotated to the proper directions) down to around 0.0 dB NM on your TVFool report, and maybe even a bit below that later in the evenings and early in the mornings. For your VHF-high stations, perhaps a 4228HD would reliably receive WILX-10 and WJRT-12, but it's a tougher call for WOOD-7 and WWMT-8 (maybe more reliable for those last two if you added an amplifier), again, when rotated in the proper directions.

If you wanted longer range (maybe reliably down a little farther on your TVFool report and with better reliability for VHF-high) and were willing have a bigger antenna setup, you could choose a 91XG or DB8 for UHF (since they seem to have a little more UHF gain than the 4228HD), mounted 3 feet above a YA-1713 for VHF-high, all on the same mast, on a rotor, and joined together to a single downlead using a UVSJ.

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=4228-HD
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=91XG
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=DB8
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=YA1713
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=UVSJ

Hope this is helpful - good luck !

I will be placing it outside about 20 feet in the air. Here is my tvfool results http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d3cf41c3c1c1340. I would like to get the best range without being the biggest eyesore.Next question: Will you be feeding a DirecTV DVR?

If you are feeding a DVR, then you need to consider your antenna options without a rotor. (So far as I know, DirecTV's DVR has no provision for rotor control.) Based on your TVFool pattern, you should have good results with a 4228 pointed at the WLAJ tower.

You will be aimed slightly away from the WKAR and WLNS towers, but they are closer to you and the 4228 has a decent side lobe for gain in their direction if you are aimed at WLAJ. The 4228 is also a good choice for this market because it has decent gain for VHF-Hi and the nearest NBC affiliate is on physical channel 10.

If you decide to go with a VHF antenna for WILX and a UHF antenna for the other channels, you might want to consider a pre-amp. The Channel Master 7777, for instance, integrates the combiner. (It has both a VHF-in and a UHF-in 75ohm F-connector.)

Thanks for the help guys. As soon as I get the cash I will be ordering the 4228HD, and yes it will be feeding to a dvr.

If you are going to go through the effort of installing an antenna, I would most definitely add a rotor. While Winnie is right that your DVR cannot control it, it has been an absolute must for me. I can turn my antenna (which is a 4221HD) and get 100% signal from any of the Lansing locals.
If I plan to record something from the air, I have to make sure I have the antenna turned that way, or just simply record it from Dish's non-HD local channel.
Good luck.
Adrian

Just heard Tim Staudt say on his radio program that WILX-DT is now going to be in HD for their local shows.

Woah, WILX went to an HD broadcast sometime overnight. Their 11pm broadcast last night was not in HD. Congrats, WILX! I wonder if this bring FOX 47 in HD as well, guess we will find out in a few minutes.

UPDATE: Nope, I guess the studio overhaul did not extend to FOX 47. Oh well, 1 is better than none!

Also WILX is now showing syndicated programs in HD (when available of course) - two I know that I'm glad to finally see in HD are Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune.

Rich

Yep, the WILX local newscast at 6 pm is HD.

Yep, the WILX local newscast at 6 pm is HD.

They seem to have done a great job, too. Doesn't look like much half-a$$ing went on here. Almost everything they showed was in HD, down to the local highschool sports. Well done, WILX.

WLNS can already show syndicated shows in HD, I wonder when the news follows. I doubt anytime soon, seeing as their owners went bankrupt, right?

WLNS can already show syndicated shows in HD, I wonder when the news follows. I doubt anytime soon, seeing as their owners went bankrupt, right?

Bankruptcy is past tense.

http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/112024

Young Broadcasting went private last June in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy that erased $800 million in debt off of the books. Seven of its TV stations were put under the operation of Gray Television of Atlanta. Young’s stations include five ABCs: WKRN-TV in Nashville, Tenn.; WTEN-TV in Albany, N.Y.; WRIC-TV in Richmond, Va.; WATE-TV in Knoxville, Tenn.; and WBAY-TV in Green Bay, Wis. Three CBS affils: WLNS-TV in Lansing, Mich.; KLFY-TV in Lafayette, La.; and KELO-TV in Sioux Falls, S.D. It has one NBC, KWQC-TV in Davenport, Iowa; and a MyNetwork station, KRON-TV in San Francisco, Calif.

Bankruptcy is past tense.

http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/112024

Young Broadcasting went private last June in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy that erased $800 million in debt off of the books. Seven of its TV stations were put under the operation of Gray Television of Atlanta. Young’s stations include five ABCs: WKRN-TV in Nashville, Tenn.; WTEN-TV in Albany, N.Y.; WRIC-TV in Richmond, Va.; WATE-TV in Knoxville, Tenn.; and WBAY-TV in Green Bay, Wis. Three CBS affils: WLNS-TV in Lansing, Mich.; KLFY-TV in Lafayette, La.; and KELO-TV in Sioux Falls, S.D. It has one NBC, KWQC-TV in Davenport, Iowa; and a MyNetwork station, KRON-TV in San Francisco, Calif.

Oh, good. Hopefylly WLNS follows suit soon then.

It's 11:30 pm on February 9. None of the WKAR-DT over the air channels are available. Did Gary forget to pay the Consumers bill? Did terrorists blow up the station in protest of the Katie Brown Workshop episode featuring pork tenderloin? Did the rest of you AVSers contribute during the pledge breaks?

It's 11:30 pm on February 9. None of the WKAR-DT over the air channels are available.


Sorry, power went out at 3:36 PM and was not restored until 3:40 AM. Two of the three fuses protecting the three-phase power to us, and the other users on the property had blown.

We have a new commenting feature on our web site, so I was actually able to update our status on the home page.

Follow WKAR on Twitter (@WKAR) or Facebook and you can get updates for cases like this so you know what is going on. I greatly appreciated the updates so I could switch my programs on my TiVo to the cable feed instead of OTA.

Rich

I take it we have zero chance of seeing Retro TV on any local subs anytime soon?

I take it we have zero chance of seeing Retro TV on any local subs anytime soon?

You may (or may not) be aware Retro TV is available on WLLA ch. 64.2 - their tower is near Gun Lake southeast of GR. I live in Charlotte and get a very good signal there - don't know if you're in range or not. Check it out here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLLA). Hope this helps.

Thanks for the heads-up, JT01, but I am well out of their range. I was really hoping Retro would end up on 47.2. Rumors were flying a couple of years ago but it didn't happen.

WLNS launched the Country Network today on channel 6.2.

I have a question so I have the AM21, and antenna. Everything is working great, and all the lansing channels are at 100%. I only have one problem. When I record two OTA programs at the same time on the AM21 I get pixelization on both programs. However this problem only seems to happen when I record two lansing channels. If I record for example the CBS here, and the NBC in Grand Rapids I have no problem. From reading forums it seems that it may be a problem with the HR24. Thanks for the help!

I haven't been able to pull in 10.1 in a long time. So I adjusted the outdoor antenna and the signal is now much stronger (my tv says locked at 85%) but I still get no picture. All the other network locals come in great. I really want to watch the Wings this afternoon... Help!

Edit: Nevermind, it's working now. After auto programming it magically fixed it. I don't know why I couldn't just tune directly to 10.1.

.... After auto programming it magically fixed it. I don't know why I couldn't just tune directly to 10.1.

Advisory to all. The converter boxes and digital television sets just occasionally go stupid and forget a channel. The cure for that is to do a re-scan, and sometimes a double re-scan. Nobody seems to know why, they just do.

There are five simple steps to a double rescan for a converter box or digital TV, which are as follows:

1. Disconnect the antenna from the box or digital TV.
2. Rescan the box or digital TV without the antenna connected. As with any scan follow the on-screen instructions or owner’s manual for your device.
3. Unplug the box or digital TV from the electrical outlet for at least one minute.
4. Reconnect the antenna to the box or digital TV and plug the unit into the electrical outlet.
5. Rescan the box or digital TV one more time.

So my AM21 recently will only pick up channel 6. It will only get a 60% signal. All the other channels are at 0. If I plug the antenna into my tv everything works fine. Any suggestions??? Would DirecTV replace it?? Thanks.

Sounds like it is working just fine 2 me!

Sounds like it is working just fine 2 me!

U get a million watts* and you still want every eyeball. Geeze. Commercial guys.



ok, 984kW, but who's counting?

SKNRRRXXX (huh!?) Oh, sorry, was watching Rick Steve adventure in Mosherville, musta fallen asleep after they visited the gift shop at the gas station. What's the matter with only getting channel 6?:confused:

SKNRRRXXX (huh!?) Oh, sorry, was watching Rick Steve adventure in Mosherville, musta fallen asleep after they visited the gift shop at the gas station. What's the matter with only getting channel 6?:confused:

I have a think against non prime numbers.

Cool, Nova has an episode on prime numbers and the physicists who can't stop thinking about them, I think they may yet find a breakthrough that will solve many problems, don't think it will have an effect on the AM21 though. :D
Oh well, back to counting eyeballs....

updates will be posted at:
http://wkar.org/technotes/article/1963/towerslideshow

updates will be posted at:
http://wkar.org/technotes/article/1963/towerslideshow

Very nice! It looks like a cell carrier is attached to the old tower, are you able to pass along which carrier it is? How are you guys coordinating with moving them to the new tower?

Very nice! It looks like a cell carrier is attached to the old tower, are you able to pass along which carrier it is? How are you guys coordinating with moving them to the new tower?

Oops, the link to our update and comments page is:
http://wkar.org/technotes/article/1962/tower

Regarding the question, Nextel is the client, I can not discuss the business arrangements or logistics of the move, sorry.

New HD Channels on Comcast in Meridian:
383 - The Hub
384 - BBC Americas-East
709 - Outdoor Channel
710 - GSN
711 - Cooking
712 - DIY

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150651978345501&set=a.193315295500.254333.90010955500&type=1&pid=19176849&id=90010955500

Anyone notice that WSYM FOX 47 went HD for their newscast?
At least their studio and field shots were in HD, as well as the weather segment. However, it looks like their graphics package is still totally SD.
It doesn't look like they redid their set at all either, you can really see how old it is in HD.

http://www.journalbroadcastgroup.com/AllAboutUs/tabid/1618/mid/2962/newsid2962/58895/Default.aspx
FOX 47 WSYM-TV Begins Broadcasting in HD

Lansing, Mich. — FOX 47 WSYM-TV began broadcasting much of its programming in high definition on Monday, becoming the second news station in the market to provide HD-quality shows for area viewers.

The high definition programs include FOX 47 News at 5:30 p.m. and FOX 47 News at Ten, along with syndicated favorites The Simpsons, Family Guy, How I Met Your Mother, The Office, Judge Judy, and more.

“The FOX Network has produced much of its prime time and sports programming in HD for many years. With our company’s recent investment in the necessary equipment, our viewers can now fully enjoy the crystal clear HD picture for virtually all of our syndicated shows as well as their local Lansing and Jackson-area news stories,” said FOX 47 Vice President and General Manager Gary Baxter. “As part of this new capability, our FOX 47 First Alert Forecast will also be broadcast in the 16 x 9 widescreen format, giving viewers more detailed weather maps and graphics than ever before.”

The station has been testing its HD capabilities a few hours each day over the past weeks with some syndicated programs, but Monday was the first day the format was broadcast for the station’s newscasts.

Anyone notice that WSYM FOX 47 went HD for their newscast?
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Congratulations to WSYM and WILX.

New HD channel on Comcast in Meridian:
713 - Smithsonian

New HD channel on Comcast in Meridian:
713 - Smithsonian

and yet still no NASA TV, either HD or regular. I shall never understand Comcast.

and yet still no NASA TV, either HD or regular. I shall never understand Comcast.

My understanding is that Smithsonian was part of a deal with CBS. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18996443

Turns out that many of the new sets do not use much of the Program and System data we are sending (aka EPG).

Some sets display as little as the name of the current program.

We are pushing two days of data, is anyone able to use/see both days of data in a meaningful manner?

thanks.

According to the blog on WKAR.org, WKAR-TV is now transmitting at full power from their new transmitter and tower. Former power was 50 kW and is now at 425 kW at 969 ft with a directional pattern pushing to the north and south. From my location in Holly, MI to the east, I don't see any difference (as would be expected,) but some of of you to the fringes at the north and south may be seeing something now.

Hey y'all, I'll soon be moving from Columbia, SC to Mason, MI and I've set up my DirecTV account and all that. I know that I won't be getting HD Locals from the Lansing area and will have to invest in the AM21.

What I was wondering is, is there any ETA (at all) of HD Locals in the Lansing DMA?

Hey y'all, I'll soon be moving from Columbia, SC to Mason, MI and I've set up my DirecTV account and all that. I know that I won't be getting HD Locals from the Lansing area and will have to invest in the AM21.

What I was wondering is, is there any ETA (at all) of HD Locals in the Lansing DMA?

Not that I am aware of.

I was in Okemos near the Merridian Mall on Sunday and happened to spot this nice sight

Hey y'all, I'll soon be moving from Columbia, SC to Mason, MI and I've set up my DirecTV account and all that. I know that I won't be getting HD Locals from the Lansing area and will have to invest in the AM21.

What I was wondering is, is there any ETA (at all) of HD Locals in the Lansing DMA?

Welcome to Mason!
No HD Locals in the Lansing area from DirecTV in the foreseeable future. When I had DirecTV, I used one of their older HD-DVRs that still had an antenna input. When calling, see if one of those is still available.

Nice to see the Lions games in HD. Now if the director could get the field cameramen to concentrate on something we'll be good.

According to www.michiguide.com (http://www.michiguide.com), WSYM is picking up Me-TV oldies network as a digital subchannel.

Does anyone have any reviews on Xfinity voice in the Haslett area? I just got this service and am not a fan of the modem/voip equipment. Is it out of line for me to keep using my Moto cable modem for internet?

Watching WHTV's carriage of the Central Michigan/Western Michigan game today. Looks like they're down converting HD video to SD. Looks awful...fuzzy picture and the on-screen graphics are a bit tiny to read for my 50+ year old eyes....

According to www.michiguide.com (http://www.michiguide.com), WSYM is picking up Me-TV oldies network as a digital subchannel.

Yea - Star Trek tonight!

Yea - Star Trek tonight!

I see it's the remastered Trek with the modern CGI effects.

The WLNS news on Sunday 10-30-11 was in High Definition. Congratulations to WLNS!!

I saw a billboard saying they were now in HD about 2 weeks ago, but clearly that was a little premature. Happy to see them in HD now. I have not seen it yet, did they revamp their graphics as well?

Billboards started monday, HD started Wednesday.

Billboards started monday, HD started Wednesday.

Actually, yes! I did see the billboards on Monday, the 24th

We know, we monitor your every move through your car's computer...:eek:

http://www.michiguide.com/archives2011/2011/11/sinclair-broadcast-group-to-ex.html

I probably should see this as a good thing but I just can't bring myself to it.

http://www.michiguide.com/archives2011/2011/11/sinclair-broadcast-group-to-ex.html

I probably should see this as a good thing but I just can't bring myself to it.

WLAJ can't get any worse, can it? I mean, they hardly exist as it is right now. Only room for improvement here.

For the last 2 weeks, network programming on WILX via Comcast has been weird for me. The sound is peaking and the speakers crackle when the scene gets loud. This only happens on NBC. Anyone else see this?

Yeah I noticed it too, while watching the office the other day.

Same problem here! Really annoying! I thought it was just my setup (my center channel speaker has had issues before), but it's good to hear that it's not "my" problem. Unfortunately, that means NBC or WILX has a much bigger problem they really need to fix.

How can we go about telling them about this issue? I am assuming it is some sort of issue with WILX, as I asked a friend in NY and he did not hear any issues.

How can we go about telling them about this issue? I am assuming it is some sort of issue with WILX, as I asked a friend in NY and he did not hear any issues.

I sent their Chief Engineer an email about the reported problems.

FYI, Prime Suspect last night sounded fine to this O-T-A viewer. I'll put my ears on Chuck and Grimm tonight.

I sent their Chief Engineer an email about the reported problems.

FYI, Prime Suspect last night sounded fine to this O-T-A viewer. I'll put my ears on Chuck and Grimm tonight.

Maybe its an issue with Comcast then?

Maybe its an issue with Comcast then?

Possible, but very, very unlikely.

Still happened tonight during Chuck.

Still happened tonight during Chuck.

Yeppers, and the problem is audible O-T-A, so it is not a Comcast issue. WOOD audio was clean. I've updated an email to WILX with that information.

Could not hear it that much during Grimm, but definitely in Chuck.

WLAJ can't get any worse, can it? I mean, they hardly exist as it is right now. Only room for improvement here.

After what I have read about Sinclair in other markets, Sinclair can find a way to make WLAJ worse. They might also make it better. We'll just have to see.

After what I have read about Sinclair in other markets, Sinclair can find a way to make WLAJ worse. They might also make it better. We'll just have to see.

I don't know, its pretty bad. During the World Cup last year, the big USA game was being broadcast in SD on the HD channel, which pissed a LOT of people off. They only flipped HD back on when I personally called master control at WWMT. That's bad.

WILX is still peaking/crackling again tonight. What the heck!

And again on Friday during Chuck.....

Annddddd again today. Does anybody work at WILX?

Not that I am aware of.

Can someone explain why directv doesn't carry hd locals please.

Ask Direct TV.

I'm looking to unplug from cable and looking at antenna options. Need your suggestions. Live in W. Lansing and here is my TV Fool report on what I am looking at: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dec12493ba129b3

Wondering if the Clearstream 4 would be a good choice? Not sure if I need amplifier any suggestion would be great!

Looking to mount in attic space.

Also heard great things about Moho leaf indoor antenna?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
TheBosch

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dec12493ba129b3

Wondering if the Clearstream 4 would be a good choice? Not sure if I need amplifier any suggestion would be great!



That antenna is a UHF only.

In Lansing WILX is on 10.

If you are interested in any out of market stations:
Grand Rapids, WOOD = 7, WWMT = 8
Flint, WJRT = 12)

I always recommend outdoor antennas.

You might look for something like:
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=HD8200U&d=Winegard-HD8200U-Heavy-Duty-Platinum-VHFUHFFM-HDTV-Antenna-%28HD8200U%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=

With a rotor.

I'm considering a DirecTV whole-home solution and need to consider how to integrate OTA locals. Do I understand correctly that the HR34 with an AM21 would record and distribute two ATSC channels to any of the client boxes?

Love to hear from anyone with a working DTV HD locals solution for Lansing.

I'm considering a DirecTV whole-home solution and need to consider how to integrate OTA locals. Do I understand correctly that the HR34 with an AM21 would record and distribute two ATSC channels to any of the client boxes?

Love to hear from anyone with a working DTV HD locals solution for Lansing.

I have DirecTV Whole Home DVR and I can watch and record two OTA channels just fine with my HR24 and AM21, I'm sure the HR34 would work just as well.

Can someone explain why directv doesn't carry hd locals please.

According to a post on DBSTALK (and from a VERY informed person with ties to D), Lansing is supposed to get HD locals in 2012 "if all goes to plan".

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2934304#post2934304

One can only hope.

According to a post on DBSTALK (and from a VERY informed person with ties to D), Lansing is supposed to get HD locals in 2012 "if all goes to plan".

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2934304#post2934304

One can only hope.

The check is in the mail and they will still respect you in the morning, too...

According to a post on DBSTALK (and from a VERY informed person with ties to D), Lansing is supposed to get HD locals in 2012 "if all goes to plan".

I was told it would be "soon" when I signed up for Directv in January 2007, and no HD locals was a major reason I cut the cord in 2010.

to be fair, Satracer is pretty knowledgeable... when he speaks, it usually means its true.

Michiguide.com is reporting that WLNS will be broadcasting ABC's Live Well Network starting Jan. 30.

Actually it says Young will begin the rollout at their stations starting January 30.
It will take several months for all stations to be completed.

Ones anyone know when Directv will broadcast local channels?

Topics merged.

Ones anyone know when Directv will broadcast local channels?

It's been officially announced by DirecTV for 2012, so sometime in the next 10 months.

It's been officially announced by DirecTV for 2012, so sometime in the next 10 months.

No comments here for one full month (ok Feb was a bit shorter then other months, but hey, it had 29 days this time) you guys all go to sleep or move to FL to avoid the new tax on retirement income?

Bones on channel 18.1 was in HD today.

Happy! :)

My zip code is 48906.

I'm about 6 blocks north of the State Capital.

I can get 6 ,18, 23, 27, 43, 47, 53 using a RCA flat, indoor antenna that I paid about $30 for at Walmart.

I'm not sure if it can do VHF though.

I have another antenna that has something like 3 foot rabbit ears, but whatever I try, I can't get NBC with either one of these.

Is this possible for me?

I can get my indoor antenna about 3 feet off the floor but that's about as high as I can go.

Thanks ahead if anyone responds. :)

I live a few blocks northeast of the Capitol. With a cheap Radio Shack indoor antenna I get the same channels you listed. Not have been able to get 10 (NBC) since they went back to VHF. I tried many times and cannot pick it up on a scan. I am in a high rise so I'm sure that doesn't help any.

Thanks ahead if anyone responds. :)

Go to TV Fool and post a link or the results here.

If your high rise has a south facing window, try putting the bunny ears in the window. WILX is about due south of you, and your other antenna does not like VHF. (WLNS is on channel 36) If you can kind of get WILX in a south window you may be able to use one of the directional indoor antennas to pick it up. (like a silver sensor)

My zip code is 48906.


As other mentioned, you will need a VHF antenna. HD74 gave you most of the details: important is a south facing window. The tip-to-tip length of the antenna for channel 10 should be about 29 inches, horizontal, with the radials going east west (so that the broad-side is facing south)

29" is approximately 1/2 wavelength, you could also try 15", about 1/4 wavelength.
http://www.kyes.com/antenna/rabbitear.html

It is also possible that there could be some interference from FM radio stations getting into the converter/receiver. It is a function of the a harmonic of the radio station (something that happens inside the receiver, not a problem with the FM station or the TV station) You could try getting a FM filter. Here is one such trap (just a note, not a recommendation)
http://www.rackmount-devices.com/main.html?page=015-4252

Information about FM into DTV/VHF:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/a-new-kind-of-fmi-on-the-horizon/204615

I only have windows facing west. Funny thing is when WILX was broadcasting their digital signal on the UHF band I could pick it up ok, even though it had to penetrate very many walls. When they went back to VHF no more signal. I believe many people with indoor antennas lost that station. Poor choice on their part. Even when they increased power some time after that, still no signal.

Poor choice on their part. Even when they increased power some time after that, still no signal.

WILX did not really have any choice. There were on 59 UHF which was reclaimed by the USG. There isn't any other channel available in the UHF band in the Lansing area for a full power broadcaster.

Don't want to get off track, but WLNS had 59, then jumped to 36 the same day WJRT vacated it. WILX used to be on 57. Either way, the rest of the market went UHF, so WILX requires different reception hardware in those hard to reach areas.

OK, thanks for the info Gary. I wasn't aware of that.

Don't want to get off track, but WLNS had 59, then jumped to 36 the same day WJRT vacated it. WILX used to be on 57. Either way, the rest of the market went UHF, so WILX requires different reception hardware in those hard to reach areas.

thanks for the correction.

Thank you Gary for the wonderful info. :)

I don't have enough posts in here just yet to share a photo of my junk.

Once I do, I'll upload it and see if perhaps there is something that can be done with them.

TVFool is stating...
NM 9dB) 26.4 Pwr (dBm) -64.4 Dist Miles (20.8) Azimuth 182 degrees, Magnitude 189 degrees.

I can get the Ion station perfectly even though it's 26.3 miles away, and even the other Ion station (31) which is 35.6 miles from here.

NBC is my all time fave channel. I'm quite The Apprentice junkie. *lol*

My HD TV is really weird.

Someone posted a bug about this maybe a page or two back, and that's my problem as well.

I can't just type in a number that hasn't already been scanned, it doesn't work that way.

I have to move my antenna and auto program.

Even though there's a signal strength menu option, I can't use it until it finds a station first.

Anyway, somehow I'm getting 36-4 as of tonight.

Does anyone know what this is? It doesn't have any information that gets stored on my TV with this channel.

Are there also 36-3, 36-2, 36-1 as well?

I'm only asking, because again, I can't type in a channel.

Oh, and Maggie, if you do find anything that works indoors, can you post what you have here since you live very close to me?

I've subscribed to this forum so I can get an instant notification if you do.

Cheers everyone! :)

Thank you Gary for the wonderful info. :)


Anyway, somehow I'm getting 36-4 as of tonight.

Does anyone know what this is? It doesn't have any information that gets stored on my TV with this channel.

Are there also 36-3, 36-2, 36-1 as well?


Congratulations, yours is the first reported sighting of LiveWell. Channel 36 is the RF channel that is actually used by WLNS. It looks like, at this moment, that the appropriate virtual channel table used to remap 36-4 to 6-2 is not fully in place.

What you saw was just swamp gas,
Or maybe mass hysteria,
or a hallucination,
I'm sure it will work itself out soon.....:o

I pretty much gave up on getting NBC, so I use Comcast. My building has a master antenna that is no longer used since they wired the building for cable. I have talked to the manager about bringing it up to date, but I don't think that is going to happen. It's just a case of them not understanding that it would be a worthwhile expense. They just think if you have cable, you don't need anything else.

What you saw was just swamp gas,
Or maybe mass hysteria,
or a hallucination,
I'm sure it will work itself out soon.....:o

Swamp gas is back - WLNS 6.2 is up with LiveWell. Yipee! - now I can see that network on three different stations where I'm located (WLNS, WXYZ and WJRT.) Hopefully it doesn't mess too badly with the PQ on 6.1.

Changes on Comcast in Meridian (no clue when they were all made, but sometime in the last 10 months)...

New Channels:
980 Oxygen HD
988 Bloomberg News HD
993 Sprout HD
999 CBET HD

One channel was removed:
286 Empty [formerly TMC Extra]

And a few were renamed:
205 Velocity HD [formerly HD Theater]
206 NBC Sports HD [formerly Versus HD]
380 History 2 HD [formerly History International HD]

Ones anyone know when Directv will broadcast local channels?

I just had a dish moved on Tuesday, and due to issues, I had 2 supervisors here as well from Multiband. They said they were informed last week that the HD locals for Lansing are due to go live on Sept 13th, 2012.

So take that for what it is worth. At this point, I'll believe it when I see it. :rolleyes:

I just noticed WHTV 18 is now broadcasting in 1080i HD!!! When did this happen???

I just noticed WHTV 18 is now broadcasting in 1080i HD!!! When did this happen???

it was noted in this forum on 3/25/12.

Has anyone else noticed that Comcast has shut off all clear QAM channels? As of about a week ago, we noticed that some of the HD broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, PBS, …) were being scrambled. As of two days ago, none of our TVs can receive them with a direct cable attachment. We did receive a letter from Comcast earlier this month saying this would happen after May 30. Appears they sped up their process.

By the way, we’re located in DeWitt Twp.

I thought there were FCC regulations saying all local channels had to be in Clear QAM ?

I read somewhere that the cable companys were requesting approval to encrypt all their channels.

Has anyone else noticed that Comcast has shut off all clear QAM channels? As of about a week ago, we noticed that some of the HD broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, PBS, …) were being scrambled. As of two days ago, none of our TVs can receive them with a direct cable attachment. We did receive a letter from Comcast earlier this month saying this would happen after May 30. Appears they sped up their process.
Re-read the letter. Comcast isn't telling you all channels will be encrypted. They are telling you all channels will only be available in digital, which is in process of happening to all Comcast systems across the country. Last time I heard earlier this year they were about 1/4 done and that's probably closer to 1/3 or more by now.

As of right now, cable system must provide local channels in the clear, and that includes local broadcast HD channels in QAM. Cable systems also do system maintenance on a regular basis, and that means QAM channel locations can and will change. This is what has happened in your area, or otherwise they have made a mistake while doing maintenance.

If you do a complete reset of your TV's and rescan, and can't find local HD channels, contact Comcast and try and find someone who knows what QAM and clear QAM is. It may take more than one call because they have so few customers using clear QAM that most of their CSR's don't know what it is.

Having said that, there is currently a proposal in front of the FCC to permit any cableco that is all digital to encrypt all channels. It appears this proposal will pass and at that point expect to see all digital cable systems become all encrypted. In other words, it's not in effect yet, but most likely will be at some point soon.

Well, after doing several scans, the channels sometimes appear up in the high 80s and 90s range but then they disappear again either showing as Scrambled or No Signal. Tonight we had CBS and NBC mapping to their correct channel numbers but the others were no where to be found. I don't really want to try to find a CSR that knows about QAM channels because that is like searching for a needle in the haystack based upon personal experience. The letter did sound like a rehash we received over a year ago when Comcast first announced they were going all digital in our area. I guess the disappearance and the letter were just a coincidence.

Starting a few days ago, my digital cable set top box is no longer provisioned for channel 206, the NBC Sports Network in HD. When I try to view this channel, I get a message that it is Not Authorized. Nearby HD Sports channels like FSND, ESPND, and ESPN2D are all working just fine. In addition, the standard resolution NBC Sports Network (channel 30) works fine. I have not noticed an issue viewing any other channels. I tried contacting Comcast and they tried sending a signal to my STB to reinitialize, but it did not resolve the issue. They are sending out a technician on Thursday, 5/24 but I don't know if a technician will be able to solve the issue. To me, it appears to be an issue on Comcast's end with the provisioning for this channel. I live in the Oak Park Village apartments and am wondering if other Comcast customers in the Lansing area are able to view Channel 206? Thanks!

Comes in solid and clear here.