At 5 a.m., WSYM-TV Fox 47 in Lansing switches. At 10 a.m. WLAJ-TV Channel 53 and WLNS-TV Channel 6 follow suit.

Also on Friday, WKAR-TV Channel 23 in East Lansing switches frequency, even thought it already converted to digital along with WILX-TV Channel 10.

This was on the Lansing State Journal web site today.

At 5 a.m., WSYM-TV Fox 47 in Lansing switches. At 10 a.m. WLAJ-TV Channel 53 and WLNS-TV Channel 6 follow suit.

Also on Friday, WKAR-TV Channel 23 in East Lansing switches frequency, even thought it already converted to digital along with WILX-TV Channel 10.

This was on the Lansing State Journal web site today.

Awesome, I won't be around for any of those switches. I thought it would be kinda cool to watch a station vanish.

I'm getting WKAR-HD on 6-1 QAM instead of WLNS-HD on Comcast in East Lansing.
They probably messed up when rescanning or something.

I'm also watching the end of analog happening over the next few minutes on a 1978 B/W Admiral Solid State. Fun fun.

I'm getting WKAR-HD on 6-1 QAM instead of WLNS-HD on Comcast in East Lansing.
They probably messed up when rescanning or something.

I'm also watching the end of analog happening over the next few minutes on a 1978 B/W Admiral Solid State. Fun fun.

Cool. Let us know if anything special was done on 47 or 53. (I think those are the only two switching at 10am) Or did they just go dark?
Thanks.

Cool. Let us know if anything special was done on 47 or 53. (I think those are the only two switching at 10am) Or did they just go dark?
Thanks.

I didn't catch 47's shutoff because it happened at 5AM, according to maggiefan above. I was watching WOOD-TV 8 out of GR have live coverage of the switch off at their transmitter near Hastings at 10, so I didn't see what happened to ABC 53. I switched to 53 and they were showing a message for a few minutes after 10 about the transition, then the next time I checked they were off the air.

I'm also getting WXMI 17 out of GR: they're showing the old "NOT READY" message on analog. And I get WEYI NBC-25 out of Flint in analog, which is just looping a DTV infomercial in English/Spanish.

WLNS was still on the air at 10:25, even though it was stated here that they were going off at 10. They have a scrolling message go by every now and then, and it looks like they're keeping an analog signal until 11:59 tonight.

Why is WLNS still broadcasting analog, when their digital signal moved?

EDIT: Also, WILX is showing, um...cartoons on 10-2 WX instead of well, the weather. Is this normal for this hour?

Because they can?

WILX's (channel 10) signal strength dropped for me today. Earlier I was seeing the picture break up. Now I see no signal.

Anybody else see this? I am south of Fowlerville.

EDIT: Also, WILX is showing, um...cartoons on 10-2 WX instead of well, the weather. Is this normal for this hour?

Each subchannel is required to show three hours per week of children's programming, and that includes weather subchannels, for some unknown reason. I suspect that it is normal.

- Trip

Why is WLNS still broadcasting analog, when their digital signal moved?

EDIT: Also, WILX is showing, um...cartoons on 10-2 WX instead of well, the weather. Is this normal for this hour?

The digital channel change over and the conclusion of analog were actually different things. WLNS coordinated their digital channel change over with WKAR and with the surrounding broadcasters, the law allows them to continue to operate analog until 11:59:59 PM tonight. So, why not.

WILX, and all television broadcasters, are required to transmit a certain amount of educational/informational programming for children per week per channel. Last I'd looked they run 1/2hour per day of E/I programming on 10.2 to meet that requirement.

WILX's (channel 10) signal strength dropped for me today. Earlier I was seeing the picture break up. Now I see no signal.

Anybody else see this? I am south of Fowlerville.

What is your antenna situation?

The digital channel change over and the conclusion of analog were actually different things. WLNS coordinated their digital channel change over with WKAR and with the surrounding broadcasters, the law allows them to continue to operate analog until 11:59:59 PM tonight. So, why not.

WILX, and all television broadcasters, are required to transmit a certain amount of educational/informational programming for children per week per channel. Last I'd looked they run 1/2hour per day of E/I programming on 10.2 to meet that requirement.

Thanks for clearing that up gary. I just saw a crawl on WLNS saying they go off air on analog at 11:59:59, and NOT TO CALL 911 if you cannot find it. lol

My antenna is a Winegard Omi-Directional. It has been working pretty good. WILX has been one of the stronger signals. It changed overnight. Things have improved so it may be atmosphere, trees, ...

Hurray! No more analog!

Well, for the first time tonight, I have picked up some additional station. Now, sorta getting WXYZ, and WAQP.

Haven't seen WAQP before... getting it on 27 and 49. Christian programming tho... not my cup o' tea.

Wasn't WILX supposed to boost its signal strength at some point? Thought they had an app in to the FCC to do that. Everything I've tried since they switched to VHF10 has only helped me to get about a 30% signal strength, which on the two boxes we have equates to random still images. If only they bumped it up a bit!

... Was getting WILX fine when they were broadcasting in the UHF spectrum at a bajillion watts!

Holy reception, batman!

My little setup with a tiny little antenna is picking up the analog lightlight channel WFLD from CHICAGO. Wow.

Now also picking up:
WOTV-DT (grand rapids ABC)
WXSP (grand rapids mynetwork) (subchannel is WOTV)
WAQP (saginaw, TCT nonsense)
WLLA (Kalamazoo, more religion crap)

My antenna is a Winegard Omi-Directional. It has been working pretty good. WILX has been one of the stronger signals. It changed overnight. Things have improved so it may be atmosphere, trees, ...

Others do disagree with me, but I don't think that the Omni-directional flying saucer style antennas work very well. Small physical elements just can not pick up very much RF signal, the the lack of directionality itself contributes to the mutlipath that the receiver will see.

Wasn't WILX supposed to boost its signal strength at some point? Thought they had an app in to the FCC to do that.

Unfortunately having an application for a power increase filed with the FCC does not allow the station to increase the power. As near as I can tell, in Michigan, almost all of the stations that requested power increases are still awaiting FCC approval. Said approval requires international frequency coordination.

Anyone else having problem with this channel? Since the switch, I receive zero signal on 23-1/2/3/4. WLNS, only a couple miles away from WKAR, is coming in great, at about a 99% strength. WILX and WLAJ also are coming in great. FYI, I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma attached to a ChannelMaster 113" UHF/VHF/FM antenna (pointed directly at the WKAR tower). I've tried moving the antenna around 30 degrees both ways and rescanned, but still nothing, although I did pick up Wood TV in Grand Rapids!! Thanks.

Anyone else having problem with this channel? Since the switch, I receive zero signal on 23-1/2/3/4. WLNS, only a couple miles away from WKAR, is coming in great, at about a 99% strength. WILX and WLAJ also are coming in great. FYI, I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma attached to a ChannelMaster 113" UHF/VHF/FM antenna (pointed directly at the WKAR tower). I've tried moving the antenna around 30 degrees both ways and rescanned, but still nothing, although I did pick up Wood TV in Grand Rapids!! Thanks.I hesitate to ask, but are you sure you're trying to get WKAR on physical channel 40 instead of 55? (The frequency just changed and you describe the signal as completely gone.)

On a completely different tack, did you rescan late at night?

Still no channel 10 for me either, nothing at all on a full scan. I got the digital signal before they went to channel 10 back in February. And they say they are not at reduced signal strength.

Anyone else having problem with this channel? Since the switch, I receive zero signal on 23-1/2/3/4. WLNS, only a couple miles away from WKAR, is coming in great, at about a 99% strength.

WKAR is at 1/10th the power of WLNS. You do not say where you live so, I do not know if that would matter. I just got off the phone with a lady who lives south of Brooklyn and she is able to get WKAR fine, now, 45 miles away.

The ony way to program channels on my TV (as far as I know) is to auto-program (re-scan). Once it's done, it displays a list of detected channels, and 23-1/2/3/4 are not on the list (nor is 40 and 55 if that matters). I've re-scanned several times today, last time being 10 minutes ago.

WKAR is at 1/10th the power of WLNS. You do not say where you live so, I do not know if that would matter. I just got off the phone with a lady who lives south of Brooklyn and she is able to get WKAR fine, now, 45 miles away.

Thanks for your reply! Before yesterday, I was getting excellent reception on all four WKAR stations. I'm in Fowlerville, 20.6 miles directly east of their tower.

The ony way to program channels on my TV (as far as I know) is to auto-program (re-scan). Once it's done, it displays a list of detected channels, and 23-1/2/3/4 are not on the list (nor is 40 and 55 if that matters). I've re-scanned several times today, last time being 10 minutes ago.

Some sets and converter boxes are too smart for their own good. There are a few that will detect a channel and memorize it's TSID (Transport Stream Identifier) and once having found it, it knows that it is receiving that station. Which means, that it can do a re-scan, find TSID 1495 on channel 40 and then decide to ignore it since it knows that it is already receiving TSID on channel 55. The fix for this particular problem is to either manually delete the channel (55) from the table, or to perform a full factory reboot to the system, followed by a new channel scan.

I don't know if that is your problem, but you might try that.

If you haven't already you could also just punch in "40" and see if that will get it to lock up. (Such suggestion won't work south of Jackson as there is a RF channel 5 station using virtual channel 40 down there somewhere)

Also, wonder if your antenna has a pre-amplifier?

Let us know.

Thanks again for the information. I did a "reset", but I don't think that is the same as a factory reboot. It didn't help anyway. Punching in the channel manually just displays "channel not available". I'll have to look for reboot instructions.

FYI, I have an EyeTV Hybrid TV tuner on my Mac. It's connected to the same outdoor antenna. I rescanned channels with it, and WKAR wasn't found on it either. It didn't have any problem displaying those channels before yesterday. I even recorded a couple shows from PBS.

I do not have a pre-amp on my antenna. Maybe WKAR severely reduced their power? Anyway, enough re-scanning for today!

I've been receiving WKAR with no problem here in Holly, MI. I couldn't get a lock until they moved to RF 40. In the Detroit area, they've been using 55 (WKAR's old RF frequency) for mobile communication. Since the analog signoff, I've found it much easier to lock on digital signals. Been able to view WLNS 6, WILX 10, WKAR 23 and WLAJ 53 with no problem. For some reason tonight, I've been able to lock on WXMI, WOTV as well as a couple of Toledo stations.

Thanks again for the information. I did a "reset", but I don't think that is the same as a factory reboot. It didn't help anyway. Punching in the channel manually just displays "channel not available". I'll have to look for reboot instructions.

FYI, I have an EyeTV Hybrid TV tuner on my Mac. It's connected to the same outdoor antenna. I rescanned channels with it, and WKAR wasn't found on it either. It didn't have any problem displaying those channels before yesterday. I even recorded a couple shows from PBS.

I do not have a pre-amp on my antenna. Maybe WKAR severely reduced their power? Anyway, enough re-scanning for today!

Power went from 54.6kW on channel 55 to 50.0 kW on channel 40, which is an insignificant change.

I don't get it. Really rarely there can be a connection problem that can cause sever attenuation on one specific channel. It can be as subtle as the center conductor of a F connector not being cut squarely.

Could you try a different antenna?

A problem cropped up in the February conversion that some tuners rely on external program guides (such as DirecTV or Windows Media Center) that govern the tuners. The problem with Direct then was that the Tribune Media Service didn't not update the program guides with the new subchannel frequencies in the February transition, so all DirecTV AM-21 OTA tuners were still looking for the changed subchannels at their former frequencies. That problem might have happened again, and it sounds like Kirk has a box like that. If his tuner relies on an external program guide rather than information off the OTA signal and the guide provider hasn't updated the frequency information properly, his box might still be looking for WKAR on channel 55 instead of channel 40.

If anybody cares, WLNS-TV's final signoff is on You Tube. They did a good job!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAlaZlUH82E

If anybody cares, WLNS-TV's final signoff is on You Tube. They did a good job!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAlaZlUH82E

Very nice. At least one network here did a little sappy moment before the switch.

Thanks for the link - I caught the end of it on TV but not the whole thing - was hoping I'd be able to see the whole thing. Wish more stations would have done something special.

I'm not receiving my Guide Data for 6 OTA. They say the problem is on my end. Hasn't worked, and is the only OTA that doesn't work, since I updated to my 722.

I just received this message from Dish Network regarding the guide information of Channel 6 OTA.

I wanted to let you know I did get an update as to where the OTA guide
information stands. One of our engineers checked WLNS's stream and
determined that they're broadcasting with the wrong TSID. The station
was sent an email last week asking them to check/fix it. I do not know
how long this will take considering we have no control over what the
station does. Hopefully this will be resolved in the near future. If you
have not noticed any results within about 10 days please email me back
so I can get an update as to where this stands as far as a resolution
goes.

I liked WLNS's sendoff, nice and old school.

Did anyone else here in Lansing sign-off like that?

IF that were the case, it would not affect just Dish.
TSID numbers were assigned to stations, here is a link to the list: http://www.dtvexchange.com/docs/1205334567.pdf

I just received this message from Dish Network regarding the guide information of Channel 6 OTA.

I wanted to let you know I did get an update as to where the OTA guide
information stands. One of our engineers checked WLNS's stream and
determined that they're broadcasting with the wrong TSID. The station
was sent an email last week asking them to check/fix it. I do not know
how long this will take considering we have no control over what the
station does. Hopefully this will be resolved in the near future. If you
have not noticed any results within about 10 days please email me back
so I can get an update as to where this stands as far as a resolution
goes.

IF that were the case, it would not affect just Dish.
TSID numbers were assigned to stations, here is a link to the list: http://www.dtvexchange.com/docs/1205334567.pdf

Thanks for the link.

According to my DTVPal the TSID for WLNS is 0x0001. The TSID Assignment document says it should be 0x05F3.

Update:
I loaded TSReader Lite to check the TSID. TSReader says the TSID is 1523 (0x05F3). So the DTVPal is wrong somehow. So must be Dish Network Engineers.

Any chance I could have a few minutes of your time? I'd like your help with something.

Send me a private message if you're willing to lend a hand.

Thanks. :)

- Trip

Anyone getting an HD signal on WILX right now? Only getting 4x3

WLNS guide information is now being mapped to OTA WLNS. I rescanned after deleting 6-1.

Could you try a different antenna?

I tried an old set of rabbit ears, and only picked up WLNS. FYI, I do not have cable or satellite. Just an antenna/rotor connected directly to my TV. Television does not have any program guides, such as TV Guide. I removed a splitter I had installed and re-scanned.

With my antenna pointed directly at WKAR tower (42.701898° / -84.413235°), I currently pick up the following:

WLNS 6.1
WILX 10.1/2
WJRT 12.1/2/3
WPXD 31.1/2/3/4
WSYM 47.1/2
WAQP 49.1/2
WLAJ 53.1/2

Still no sign of WKAR 23.1/2/3/4. My EyeTV Hybrid TV tuner also picks up the exact same stations less WKAR. Two different tuners work one day, and not the next! Hmmm. . .

I'm going to try a pre-amplifier, then write off WKAR if that doesn't work. Not really important, but I used to be able to pick up PBS station WFUM 28.1 if I pointed antenna at their tower. No signal there anymore though.

Others do disagree with me, but I don't think that the Omni-directional flying saucer style antennas work very well. Small physical elements just can not pick up very much RF signal, the the lack of directionality itself contributes to the mutlipath that the receiver will see.

At some point I will update my antenna. The saucer type did well in the past. But that was then.

Thanks for you input.

This does not sound like a WKAR problem, it sounds like a problem with your receiver. Is it possible that the receiver has retained the old WKAR channel info? Have you tried disconnecting your antenna completely, rescanning without the antenna, thus clearing the memory, then removing power from the tuner for about 10 minutes, then repowering, and rescanning?
I have had no problem picking up WKAR since the channel change as far south as Moscow, so the signal is out there.

QUOTE=KirkM;16672023]I tried an old set of rabbit ears, and only picked up WLNS. FYI, I do not have cable or satellite. Just an antenna/rotor connected directly to my TV. Television does not have any program guides, such as TV Guide. I removed a splitter I had installed and re-scanned.

With my antenna pointed directly at WKAR tower (42.701898° / -84.413235°), I currently pick up the following:

WLNS 6.1
WILX 10.1/2
WJRT 12.1/2/3
WPXD 31.1/2/3/4
WSYM 47.1/2
WAQP 49.1/2
WLAJ 53.1/2

Still no sign of WKAR 23.1/2/3/4. My EyeTV Hybrid TV tuner also picks up the exact same stations less WKAR. Two different tuners work one day, and not the next! Hmmm. . .

I'm going to try a pre-amplifier, then write off WKAR if that doesn't work. Not really important, but I used to be able to pick up PBS station WFUM 28.1 if I pointed antenna at their tower. No signal there anymore though.[/QUOTE]

I had to do a rescan to pick up 23.3 Tuesday night. I had already done a rescan Saturday. I was getting all the Lansing stations fine, except for 18.1 of course. When I tried to watch a program on 23.3 Tuesday night it didn't come in, so I did a rescan and it popped right up.

FYI:

WILX is still not able to do an HD weatherbug, while ABC3 apparently is as of right now.

Come on, WILX. Give me my HD back. (oh, and good job WLAJ)

I think other people have mentioned it, but I did a new over-the-air scan and now receive WLNS, WKAR, WSYM, WLAJ easily. No break ups. WILX is no where to be seen, however. I used to get it in (granted somewhat poorly), but now there is no sign it even exists. I live in East Lansing near MSU and use a homemade antenna that looks just like this:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/26458

Which, on a side note, is the best antenna I've used out of the various commercial ones I've bought. I'm not bragging, I actually find it kind of lame. I tried my other antennas and they cannot pick up WILX either. Along with the rescan I tried putting in the freq directly (10.1), and scanning on another TV with no luck.

I think other people have mentioned it, but I did a new over-the-air scan and now receive WLNS, WKAR, WSYM, WLAJ easily. No break ups. WILX is no where to be seen, however. I used to get it in (granted somewhat poorly), but now there is no sign it even exists. I live in East Lansing near MSU and use a homemade antenna that looks just like this:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/26458

Which, on a side note, is the best antenna I've used out of the various commercial ones I've bought. I'm not bragging, I actually find it kind of lame. I tried my other antennas and they cannot pick up WILX either. Along with the rescan I tried putting in the freq directly (10.1), and scanning on another TV with no luck.That should be fine for UHF but will have very little gain for VHF. WILX is transmitting on physical channel 10. Get a UHF/VHF combiner and some rabbit ears running east/west and you should be fine.

If you want to do the homebrew thing, you can make a full-wavelength dipole for WILX with two 30-1/2" lengths of wire. You can get a half-wavelength with two 15-1/4" lengths. You should still probably buy a combiner, but if you have a splitter around you can try that and see if the setup works. (The combiner will save you 2-1/2 to 3db in gain if the signal is marginal.)

That should be fine for UHF but will have very little gain for VHF. WILX is transmitting on physical channel 10. Get a UHF/VHF combiner and some rabbit ears running east/west and you should be fine.

If you want to do the homebrew thing, you can make a full-wavelength dipole for WILX with two 30-1/2" lengths of wire. You can get a half-wavelength with two 15-1/4" lengths. You should still probably buy a combiner, but if you have a splitter around you can try that and see if the setup works. (The combiner will save you 2-1/2 to 3db in gain if the signal is marginal.)

Thanks for the quick reply. I have an old (very old) bunny ear antenna I can use. Should I make sure the expandable antennas are 30.5in or 15.25in lengths on that as well? When you say combiner do you mean something as simple as this:

http://www.pchcables.com/uhsico.html or
http://www.110220volts.com/UVSJ.html

I have an old (very old) bunny ear antenna I can use. Should I make sure the expandable antennas are 30.5in or 15.25in lengths on that as well?You don't need to be terribly precise, and you will probably have better luck with the 15-1/4" half-wave dipole. Don't worry about old, either. Progress in antenna design is about as fast as progress in optical glass. If the bunny ears don't cut it, you will probably be urged to get one of the radical new designs from Yagi and Uda.

Rough orientation: stretch one bunny ear towards Grand Ledge and Lansing and the other towards Okemos and Williamston.
When you say combiner do you mean something as simple as this:
http://www.pchcables.com/uhsico.html or
http://www.110220volts.com/UVSJ.htmlYep. Ask here for help with baluns if you have some 300 ohm flat lead wire and some 75 ohm cables.

Keep in mind: I am by no means an antenna guru. If someone else pipes up here to say I'm wrong, it's a good bet that I am. It does sound like you have a free or cheap option to try, though, so have at it!

Just wanted to let all you Comcast HD subscribers out there know that Travel Channel HD will be launching for all Lansing headends tomorrow, June 25th.

As a D* household, I have a very jealous wife right now, she is begging for Travel HD

I now get WILX in HD OTA thanks to SMWinne. I've attached an image of what could possibly be the ugliest antenna ever made. I pulled the expandable antennas off a beat up bunny-ear antenna and screwed them onto the top of my UHF antenna. Very ugly, but it works. I noticed the UHF stations now break up more with this addition. I'm wondering if the combiner I have is not very good.

Just wanted to let all you Comcast HD subscribers out there know that Travel Channel HD will be launching for all Lansing headends tomorrow, June 25th.

As a D* household, I have a very jealous wife right now, she is begging for Travel HD

Travel Channel HD is awesome. I had it on dish network for a while, and back home in NY on Cablevision. love man vs. food.

Was getting all lansing stations. Did a rescan to get the correct WLNS guide data on my Dish 722, and cannot find WKAR now. Using a winegard SS3000 indoor antenna, was getting 80 to 85 signal strength. Tried rotating the antenna in different positions and nothing. Something has changed, not sure what.

Was getting all lansing stations. Did a rescan to get the correct WLNS guide data on my Dish 722, and cannot find WKAR now. Using a winegard SS3000 indoor antenna, was getting 80 to 85 signal strength. Tried rotating the antenna in different positions and nothing. Something has changed, not sure what.

I'm not sure how the Dish receiver functions for off-air reception, or if there is some magic in it that Dish provides. At this moment WKAR is at 92% power and should certainly be receivable. Maybe you could try the rescan again, or contact Dish and ask them. If neither of those is successful you can give me a call tomorrow morning 432-3120 x 201

Came back from 10 days in Florida, just to find it was as hot here as it was there. Oh well.

But, when I went to watch the telly this morning, there were no channels, either on my Samsung or my Philips DVD recorder. Started trouble shooting at the wrong end; the one that does not need a ladder, found the 10dB amp in the basement was dead. Connected antenna directly to receiver, found all local channels (ex 18) but when I put in the splitter all but WLNS disappeared. Hmmm, less than 3dB fade margin from the beast of an antenna on my roof? Found ladder, visited antenna, found that the ballun (300 ohm to 75 ohm transformer) had fried. Repalced, all channels found (ex 18) happy again. Wonder if anyone else has ballun problems, not something I normally would have thought about. Next up: find why the rotor stopped rotating.

deleted. nevermind.

One strange thing I noticed about the WKAR channels before they disappeared. About the time that WILX had changed frequencies I had to rescan for that channel. After the rescan WKAR channels were showing up with channel numbers 72.1, 72.2, 72.3, and 72.4. Very strange. I am going to connect the antenna directly to my Sony A3000 to see if the tuner in that can see them. That may isolate the problem to the tuner in the 722. Thanks for the help, I may give you a call after some more trouble shooting.

I agree that it should be receivable, I live on the east side of Lansing about 1 mile from MSU and never had any issues before.

After the rescan WKAR channels were showing up with channel numbers 72.1, 72.2, 72.3, and 72.4. Very strange. I am going to connect the antenna directly to my Sony A3000 to see if the tuner in that can see them. That may isolate the problem to the tuner in the 722. Thanks for the help, I may give you a call after some more trouble shooting..

Sounds like some sort of Dish Network control/mapping issue. We never used "72" to identify any of our channels. I could see how it might be 40.x using the RF channel if our PSIP were inoperative.

Finally found WKAR. My Dish 722 would not find them on multiple rescans. I found an "add local channel" feature that lets you tune to the frequency of the channel directly to add it. I had to leave the tuner on that frequency about 2 minutes before it would pick anything up. I don't think the tuner was staying on the frequency long enough when it was scanning. Don't know why. Thanks for the help.

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Still no sign of WKAR 23.1/2/3/4. My EyeTV Hybrid TV tuner also picks up the exact same stations less WKAR. Two different tuners work one day, and not the next! Hmmm. . .

I'm going to try a pre-amplifier, then write off WKAR if that doesn't work. Not really important, but I used to be able to pick up PBS station WFUM 28.1 if I pointed antenna at their tower. No signal there anymore though.

Are you getting WKAR and/or WFUM now? If not give me a call, 517 432 3120 x 201

Are you getting WKAR and/or WFUM now? If not give me a call, 517 432 3120 x 201

Gary, thanks for all your assistance!

This morning, my wife started complaining AGAIN about missing her knitting/crafting shows on Create (23-3) :)

I went up on the roof, checked all the antenna connections, and syncronized the rotator. I re-scanned on both the TV and computer (EyeTV Hybrid), and once again, there was no sign of any of the WKAR stations. I turned the antenna toward WFUM, and was able to pick it up on the TV and computer (although I see they are now up for sale or lease).

Later this afternoon, I went out and bought a 26" LCD TV for my wifes craft room. I scanned, and did not pick up any WKAR stations.

About 9:00 tonight, I was flipping through the channels on my 50" plasma, and 40-3/4/5/6 showed up. Just snow though, I couldn't tell what was on them. I had never seen new stations show up in the channel list before without re-scanning. A couple minutes later, they were gone.

At around 9:30, flipping through channels again, 23-1/2/3/4 showed up all by themselves. I'm not receiving nearly as strong of a signal as before the transition (20-25% now), but they are still on the channel list. I rescanned the computer and the new LCD and they also show up there.

The signals are too pixelated to enjoy right now though. Maybe an amplifier of some sort would help??

Gary, thanks for all your assistance!
. A couple minutes later, they were gone.

At around 9:30, flipping through channels again, 23-1/2/3/4 showed up all by themselves. I'm not receiving nearly as strong of a signal as before the transition (20-25% now), but they are still on the channel list. I rescanned the computer and the new LCD and they also show up there.

The signals are too pixelated to enjoy right now though. Maybe an amplifier of some sort would help??

This is so bizzare. I don't know if an amplifier would help, or a reduction of signal level. Do you have another antenna, even an indoor unit, for testing?

Amps are inexpensive, $15 for a 10dB RCA unit at Meijer.

I ran the TV Fool for "Fowlerville" and it indicates WKAR should be viewable.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3daa0577b2949f44

TV Fool does have an error in the location for WHTV, probably the power level for them is wrong as well. WHTV is colocated on the WLNS tower. I think the FCC database is incorrect.

BTW, there is a viewer in Williamston who "can get all of the channels" EXCEPT WLNS! I figure she should be able to get WLNS with a paper-clip.

My current wonderment is if there is a problem with the simultaneous reception of multiple DTV signals at the input of a receiver overloading the front end, or if there are internal problems in the receivers because of intermoduation effects from the combination of signals. WKAR on channel 40 has N-2 (WSYM), N-4 (WLNS), N-6 (WHTV) and N+11 and, in some areas there is an N+15 (Mediaflo) And, on the back side of your antenna is N-1 and N+1 coming out of the Detroit area.

I've ordered some filters and will get back to you after I have a chance to do some field tests.

I find an attenuator can help some viewers, even some who seem like they should be far enough away to not have to worry about overload...

You know your situation better than I do, just a thought. :)

- Trip

I find an attenuator can help some viewers, even some who seem like they should be far enough away to not have to worry about overload...

You know your situation better than I do, just a thought. :)

- Trip

I think you may well be right.

I did a rescan today after putting up a new rotor, and found that the low power translator station W27CN, in Lansing, on channel 27 made the move to digital. 27.1 is SD, and 27.2 is 1080i. Looks like just TV preachers from what I saw.

FYI: WLNS will be testing full power late tonight, probably will be going full power tomorrow night.

FYI: WLNS will be testing full power late tonight, probably will be going full power tomorrow night.

boo, hiss.









more seriously, congratulations.

Ummm...Errr.....

Ummm...Errr.....

"he is the competition" Not really. Pretty sure just joking and wishing he could get the green light from feds to increase power of WKAR. :D

Is WLNS currently at 413 kW, and going up to 984 kW with this increase? Those are the numbers on the FCC database. I received WLNS about two weeks ago one morning, and I'm about 61 miles east. If they're increasing to 984 kW, they might become reliable for me...

Aging Hippies for Ummm Errrrr is where the Ummm Errrr comes from I think, hmmm, can't remember.

Thanks Gary.

Yes, 984,000, should be done late tonight.
61 miles east, Probably depends more on your local terrain and antenna height as to whether you would get a reliable signal, let us know.

FYI: WLNS will be testing full power late tonight, probably will be going full power tomorrow night.

Far out. That might put my drop out problems to rest. Plus there's an ignoramus by Mason with signs by the highway bitching about power wires. Turn up the juice and make him glow green.

Checked reception of WLNS late last night (1 am) and again this morning (9:45 am). With my attic antenna on a rotor (a psuedo-4228 made by joining two 4221s together), at 61 miles distance (pretty much due east) I was just on the edge of reception (it was pretty stable late last night, but pixelated and dropped out this morning). I plan to put an antenna outside soon (and about 5 feet higher than my current attic setup), so perhaps WLNS might become pretty reliable for me then. Not bad, considering my TVFool report shows WLNS at -5.9 dB NM and 2Edge from my location.

Yes, 984,000, should be done late tonight.


So, H, can I call you H? How did it go?

at&t pumped out a new U-verse system update. In addition to new graphics for the guide, the Total Home DVR function can now be used on any receiver in the house, as opposed to the actual dvr box, which was the case previously. Nice little update. Now just give me MSNBC HD.

Anybody with DirecTV having trouble getting 6-1 with AM21s or the built in tuner on an HR20?

I have an AM21 on my HR22 and H21 and neither are picking up 6-1, just searching for signal. I get all the other locals OTA fine with my AM21s. My ATSC tuner in my Samsung DLP gets 6-1 fine too. Same for my HR20.

Its been awhile since I've tried to watch CBS in HD, so I'm not sure the last time it worked.

Edit in: Fixed it, had tried rescans in the past with no success. I had to Reset the OTA, then rerun the initial setup. Watching 6-1 now.

I'm looking for an used D* Slimline dish in the Lansing Area that I can take off from someones hands at a low price. I'd like to have one for camping during the summer.

If somebody has one, I'll pick it up today.

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Anybody with DirecTV having trouble getting 6-1 with AM21s or the built in tuner on an HR20?

I have an AM21 on my HR22 and H21 and neither are picking up 6-1, just searching for signal. I get all the other locals OTA fine with my AM21s. My ATSC tuner in my Samsung DLP gets 6-1 fine too. Same for my HR20.

Its been awhile since I've tried to watch CBS in HD, so I'm not sure the last time it worked.

Edit in: Fixed it, had tried rescans in the past with no success. I had to Reset the OTA, then rerun the initial setup. Watching 6-1 now.

I just checked in here b/c I'm not picking up WLNS with my DirecTV. I try to reset the OTA and rerun the initial setup to get it in.

I heard an announcement on the WLNS 11 PM news Friday night that they had increased power. I am about 40 miles away in Holly, and I can pick up a solid signal on WLNS no matter what direction the antenna is pointed. Pointing at the antenna, I am getting about a 95% signal strength. Using a radio shack VU90 with preamp outdoors at about 30 ft from ground. They must have given the hamsters powering the transmitter some steroids! Per TVfool, WLNS is 1edge for me.

By the way, after the analog shut down, I am regularly getting 75-80% signal strength on WKAR so their new frequency is no slouch either!

I just checked in here b/c I'm not picking up WLNS with my DirecTV. I try to reset the OTA and rerun the initial setup to get it in.

Did you have success in picking up 6-1?

Just got a new Vizio VO37LF and hooked up the Radio Shack UFO to it. WLNS, WKAR, WLAJ, and WSYM are all coming in with no dropouts here in the basement apartment of doom near Francis Park.

Tonight's All-Star game looks freakin' beautiful!

Sadly, I still can't get WILX. Not on this TV, not on the other two set top boxes, regardless of the different antennas I've tried. Best I can do is 1 bar of signal strength with an amp and the rabbit ears literally held as high as I can get them. CURSE YOU, NORTH FACING APARTMENT!

Would it be illegal to post a 20 foot tall tinfoil reflector across the street?

Just got a new Vizio VO37LF and hooked up the Radio Shack UFO to it. WLNS, WKAR, WLAJ, and WSYM are all coming in with no dropouts here in the basement apartment of doom near Francis Park.

Tonight's All-Star game looks freakin' beautiful!

Sadly, I still can't get WILX. Not on this TV, not on the other two set top boxes, regardless of the different antennas I've tried. Best I can do is 1 bar of signal strength with an amp and the rabbit ears literally held as high as I can get them. CURSE YOU, NORTH FACING APARTMENT!

Would it be illegal to post a 20 foot tall tinfoil reflector across the street?

Talk to your apartment complex, under OTARD, they can't stop your from placing an antenna outdoors to receive TV signals. There are limitations, but if you work with them, you should be able to find an area to mount an antenna and run cable back to your place.

Talk to your apartment complex, under OTARD, they can't stop your from placing an antenna outdoors to receive TV signals. There are limitations, but if you work with them, you should be able to find an area to mount an antenna and run cable back to your place.I thought OTARD (FCC FAQ, linked (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html)) allowed apartment dwellers to put antennae on exclusive-rights areas like balconies but not walls, grounds or roof.

I thought OTARD (FCC FAQ, linked (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html)) allowed apartment dwellers to put antennae on exclusive-rights areas like balconies but not walls, grounds or roof.

Its been awhile since I read the entire thing, but I thought if you had no exclusive use areas, that they couldn't stop you from mounting in an agreed upon location that guaranteed reception.

Don't have time to read it right now...

I'm looking for an used D* Slimline dish in the Lansing Area that I can take off from someones hands at a low price. I'd like to have one for camping during the summer.
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You can buy them for about $70 including shipping on ebay. Including an LNB.

Anyone interested in my old antennasdirect.com antenna with rotor? I've got it listed on Lansing craigslist for $50. Go look or PM me if you are interested.

You can buy them for about $70 including shipping on ebay. Including an LNB.

Anyone interested in my old antennasdirect.com antenna with rotor? I've got it listed on Lansing craigslist for $50. Go look or PM me if you are interested.

Yeah, I was looking for one assembled and for about half that price...

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So does that mean WILX will be going HD soon?

Great news for Comcast users! Got a message on my Tivo today informing me that ESPNU has been added, which it has been. Not only that, but NFL Network, NHL Network, and NBATV are no longer on the sports tier!

I am currently watching the Wings take on the Blue Jackets from this past playoffs on the NHL Network...life is good. Now to only get NHL Network HD.

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So does that mean WILX will be going HD soon?

Hopefully it does and also that it will mean it will be able to air syndicated shows in HD as well. Considering next fall they will have (if they keep Deal or No Deal) 3 syndicated game shows that could be in HD.

Rich

Hopefully it does and also that it will mean it will be able to air syndicated shows in HD as well. Considering next fall they will have (if they keep Deal or No Deal) 3 syndicated game shows that could be in HD.

Rich

Yeah. From what they have posted on twitter, they now have 3 new studio cameras. I can't imagine that any camera purchased now would be SD. Now they just need the new control equipment, and who knows how long that might take.

I'll be damned, flipped over to NCIS tonight and had very faint audio in the rears. Can't wait for NCAA basketball this weekend.

Might be the NCIS mix, but the rears may need a boost...


Did WTVS have a problem with 5.1 on Thursday, August 6th? I sure didn't hear anything in "the rears" while watching The Mentalist or David. When I switched over to WILX the rears seemed to be working fine while watching Conan.

Did WTVS have a problem with 5.1 on Thursday, August 6th? .

Suggest asking in the Detroit forum.

Did WTVS have a problem with 5.1 on Thursday, August 6th? I sure didn't hear anything in "the rears" while watching The Mentalist or David. When I switched over to WILX the rears seemed to be working fine while watching Conan.

Sorry, I meant to say WLNS (Lansing OTA Channel 6.1). Did anyone else notice WLNS having a problem with 5.1 on Thursday night? Or other nights? Or, perhaps it is just me.

Will be moving at the end of the month, and I am quite happy to announce that I am now able to ditch Ariastink and OTA HD. I signed up with comcast and got Digital Starter + HD + HBO + Starz + Showtime + 8MB/s internet for $84.99/month 9 months.

The only people in the country who can say "damn, I cannot wait to have the privilege of signing up with Comcast!" are users of Arialink.

I got a question for you guys. I have the Digital Starter tier with an HD box with Comcast and I can get G4 on regular basic and digital but I cannot get the G4 HD channel, it says that I am not authorized, I thought whatever channels I got in SD I could get in HD if they were offered?

Any ideas?

I got a question for you guys. I have the Digital Starter tier with an HD box with Comcast and I can get G4 on regular basic and digital but I cannot get the G4 HD channel, it says that I am not authorized, I thought whatever channels I got in SD I could get in HD if they were offered?

Any ideas?

I have seen this myself (not with G4) but if you tune to a different channel and then tune back are you able to get G4HD or is it always giving you that message? Changing channels like that has always cleared issues like that for me in the past.

According to the channel lineup on the Comcast website G4 HD is part of digital starter.

I have seen this myself (not with G4) but if you tune to a different channel and then tune back are you able to get G4HD or is it always giving you that message? Changing channels like that has always cleared issues like that for me in the past.

According to the channel lineup on the Comcast website G4 HD is part of digital starter.
No matter what I do I cannot get it. Also I cannot get the shopping networks in HD either... not that I really care I just like to make fun of the people that are trying to sell me a $300 computer for $800.

I really loath to call Comcast, but watching Cops in HD is much better! haha

hello- was wondering if there is anyway to pull in stations from toledo or better yet cleveland reliably? I know thats its a long shot but just curious if its possible with special equipment...

Im a Browns fan.....

zband,

I have a friend that lives southeast of Jackson that can get many of the Toledo stations. I'm not sure what he is using for a antenna, but I know he live on a good size hill (that helps). I think you can forget trying to get Cleveland stations from around here.

The FCC has authorized WKAR to increase power from 50kW to 425kW, but it does require the use of a directional antenna to protect WADL (39) and WXYZ (40) in the Detroit area.

We -hope- to make the change next Summer, but to large extent that will depend on our tower replacement project

Map of Current coverage area: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT982612.html

Map of proposed coverage area: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1249818.html

No matter what I do I cannot get it. Also I cannot get the shopping networks in HD either... not that I really care I just like to make fun of the people that are trying to sell me a $300 computer for $800.

I really loath to call Comcast, but watching Cops in HD is much better! haha

I have the same problem, I have digital starter and G4 comes in SD, but not in HD. On the other hand I get Syfy in HD but not in SD (I don't think I am supposed to get it at all), so I guess it is a decent trade off. Let me know what Comcast says if you end up calling them.

Congrats to WKAR on getting approval for the increase in power. I'll keep working on winning the lottery to pay for your new tower and antenna!

Also, it looks like WILX is making progress on getting approval for their increase in power. They filed an amendment to their application showing they have agreement with a couple of stations for any interference that would be caused between the two. Hopefully this will happen soon too for them.

From checking the FCC database, I assume that WILX is currently at 14.8 kW (and trying to raise to 30 kW)? I just received pieces of WILX's signal for the first time the other night, not enough to resolve a picture, but enough for my tv to add WILX into my channel menu. I'm about 72 miles away. Maybe with the power increase (and once I improve my antenna setup), I'll be able to receive it somewhat regularly.

Thanks Gary for the update on WKAR. That should help a lot of people.

I noticed in another thread that WPXD (north of Chelsea) is going from channel 31 to 50. Don't know if they are going to move to Southfield also or stay where they are.

My parents in Ithaca have a Winegard MS2000 antenna and a Channel Master CM-7000 tuner. They have been able to receive WKAR, except between noon and about 7:00 pm. I saw the in the FCC records last week that it looked as though WKAR is increasing their power. Thanks Gary for confirming that! That should help things a lot. My mom likes to watch History Detectives Monday mornings on PBS World.

I noticed something curious on my parents' tuner during my visit. WKAR's lineup is listed under 23.x and 40.x. I'm not entirely sure what caused it. It appears as though during the last scan it acquired the PSIP, but didn't drop '40' from the lineup. I wonder if the signal being low at the time of scan caused it. I didn't rescan when I was there because I didn't want to change anything they were used to. I just thought I'd mention the phenomenon.

My parents in Ithaca have a Winegard MS2000 antenna and a Channel Master CM-7000 tuner. ....

I noticed something curious on my parents' tuner during my visit. WKAR's lineup is listed under 23.x and 40.x.... .

Other do disagree, but generally speaking I would recommend a directional antenna with a rotator over an omnidirectional flying saucer. The saucers have a couple of problems: Very small elements which mean that it actually picks up very little RF signal, which means the unit has to use an amplifier to pick boost the signal, and amplifiers can be overloaded by other strong signals. Second, the omnidirectional nature means that the antenna sees other stations and sees the ghosts (mutipath) signals which makes the receiver have to work harder to decode the signal.

Part of the planning factors used to determine stations coverage assume that the receive antenna has a certain amount of front-back rejection of ghost and other stations such as the channel WZZM (RF 39) adjacent channel in Grand Rapids.

Regarding the duplication of channel numbers, some receivers just have a moment of stupid. If you can go into the menu/setup/channel area you should find an add-delete section, the channel 40s may be deleted. Or, like you said, you can just leave them there, they don't hurt anything. Actually, leave em, means that when viewing channel up or down they'll get 8 chances to stop on our programming instead of 4.

Regarding the duplication of channel numbers, some receivers just have a moment of stupid. If you can go into the menu/setup/channel area you should find an add-delete section, the channel 40s may be deleted. Or, like you said, you can just leave them there, they don't hurt anything. Actually, leave em, means that when viewing channel up or down they'll get 8 chances to stop on our programming instead of 4.

Ha-ha! Good point!

The FCC has authorized WKAR to increase power from 50kW to 425kW, but it does require the use of a directional antenna to protect WADL (39) and WXYZ (40) in the Detroit area.

We -hope- to make the change next Summer, but to large extent that will depend on our tower replacement projectHey, Gary: I sent in sixty bucks on behalf of my kids today. Will that cover the tower or do y'all need a little more?

The feds' spending priorities seem a little skewed here. After the DTV cutover, I'm sure WKAR isn't the only PBS affiliate that needs to replace a tower (and cameras, and master control...). These are big-ticket, long-lived items that would normally get financed long-term but, oops! The debt markets are futzed.

When this is all over, I'm going to be curious to see how much support the feds offered PBS affiliates in building out their plant. These sound like the sort of "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects that we're supposed to be pushing right now. But, in the end, I'm just guessing that federal support won't be anywhere near the $1.5 billion that got spent on CECBs.

I see WLNS is broadcasting promos about a big change coming up. Does that mean sackings and new faces in the news department, or are they ready to produce their own HD?

Has something happened to the WILX 10-2 Weather Source channel? A few days ago I stopped getting a signal after picking it up for quite a while with rabbit ears.

10.2 is still there. I got a new TV for my spare room and have had a lot of problems with WILX, even with a new Channel Master 4228HD. The old HDTV and CM 4228 in the main room have no problem with WILX. The new antenna is not in a permanent location yet.

What is with WILX anyway, from what I've read a lot of people have lost their signal since the transition in July. Anyone heard if they're doing anything about it?

I see WLNS is broadcasting promos about a big change coming up. Does that mean sackings and new faces in the news department, or are they ready to produce their own HD?

Maybe they are going to start broadcasting network shows in 5.1 again. :)

... even with a new Channel Master 4228HD. The old HDTV and CM 4228 in the main room have no problem with WILX....

The CM 4228 is more of a UHF antenna, in some specs it claims channels 7 - 69, but in most, such as at this comparison, it only lists it as a UHF antenna. http://www.solidsignal.com/channelmaster_antenna_chart.asp

Or on this description from:
http://www.cyberestore.com/hdtv-tuners-and-antennas/hdtv-antennas/channel-master-cm4228hd-8-bay-bowtie-uhf-antenna.html
It is listed as both a UHF and and a VHF/UHF antenna.


Channel Master CM4228HD 8-Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna

The 4228HD outdoor 8 bay antenna has been optimized for receiving HDTV/Digital and current analog signals. This UHF only TV antenna is HDTV compatible. It offers the highest standard gain of any Channel Master UHF only TV antenna. It is perfect for digital / analog long range TV reception.

Specifications:

* Designed and tested for high quality HDTV digital UHF TV reception!!
* Receives channels (7-69)
* Reception Range: Up to 60 Miles for UHF, 45 Miles for VHF


I suspect that it does not have very much VHF gain, if any.

What is with WILX anyway, from what I've read a lot of people have lost their signal since the transition in July. Anyone heard if they're doing anything about it?

They have filed a request to increase power from 14.8kW to 30kW. But most of the problems, as you may have noticed in my prior point, are due to antennas, and antenna mis-information. So many many antennas were sold that are UHF only or just do not have much gain at VHF that it makes reception difficult.

And, then, there is the problem with FM station 2nd harmonic imaging inside of amplfiiers or tuners, which is causing significant problems to VHF stations, not just WILX, nationwide.

From Gary Sgrignoli
Quoted at:http://www.reclaimthemedia.org/dtv/how_keep_dtv_going_astray0218

We've also recently had some problems with FM radio stations. The second harmonic of those stations fall into the high-VHF television band and are causing problems and interference with broadband amplifiers. The broadband amplifiers could be inside the antenna or they could be external to the antenna on the mast or they could be distribution amplifiers in the home. So, if you're near a strong FM station and there's no FM trap in that broadband amplifier, you may have trouble.

and....

....Now we've quietly heard that there are certain areas where they're questioning whether high-VHF signals are being received properly. My concern is that there may not be enough radiated transmitter power in some cases, and that people are using rabbit ears that are not very good in other cases. Also, getting the signal indoors sometimes is a problem with high-VHF, if the only decent path to the inside is through the windows, which typically are not large enough for these high-VHF signals to pass through easily. Of course, it's worse for low-VHF signals, but there are only roughly 40 stations in the whole country that are going to end up in that band.

I see WLNS is broadcasting promos about a big change coming up. Does that mean sackings and new faces in the news department, or are they ready to produce their own HD?

It may be something else, but since the spot features an empty chair...
the Facebook posting http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lansing-MI/WLNS-TV/125810355649?ref=nf
says....

WLNS-TV
Jane Aldrich is coming back to the Anchor desk. We here at 6 News are excited to announce that starting September 8th Jane Aldrich will return to 6 News at 5. She will also join Dave Akerly for 6 News at 6. But don't worry, you can still catch S...heri Jones on 6 News at 11. The changes are coming at Sheri's request so she can spend more time with her family.Read More

^ Good for Jane and Sherri. I like the way WLNS has been working out those respective situations these past few years.

And good on WLNS for making their morning news tolerable to watch again by hiring a new co-anchor. Lauren Thompson is good, but she had a heavy load to carry sitting next to her.

The local Comcast office in Lansing has the new DCX3400 DVR in stock. I picked ours up yesterday. It has a 250GB hard drive and seems to be quicker to respond to remote commands. I agree with some that also say the picture quality is a little better than the DCT/DCH units. However, some are having problems programming their remotes for a 30-second skip - something I've never bothered programming.

For those who might be concerned about this as I was, both the HDMI and the component video outputs are active all the time so you can have monitors attached to both outputs.

Hi all ! Just checking back in to see if there was anything new on my ability to receive WKAR. There's still no sign of it here.

I bought the wife a new (different brand) LCD TV a couple weeks ago, and it doesn't receive any WKAR stations either. With my outdoor antenna pointed directly at WKAR, I get great reception on all the channels shown on this map (http://homepage.mac.com/messnerk/images/stations.jpg), except WKAR of course. This is the same on both televisions.

Apparently someone built a wall between me and WKAR's tower :)

^ Gary will gladly activate your signal once your pledge check is received and clears the bank. :D

Hi all ! Just checking back in to see if there was anything new on my ability to receive WKAR. There's still no sign of it here.


Apparently someone built a wall between me and WKAR's tower :)

Can you receive WHTV virtual channel 18, RF channel 34 ?

I knew the lead up to this football season was too quiet. Direct and Comcast are in a pissing match over Versus fees, so Versus has been removed from the Direct lineup. I can get by without a few football games in September (don't tell anybody else I said that though), but this had better be fixed by the time the NHL drops the puck.

Got my DCX 3400 at the Lansing Comcast office today, looking good so far. Thanks to TTRider for posting that they were available here.

^ Gary will gladly activate your signal once your pledge check is received and clears the bank. :D

That is not 100% true - don't spread rumors like that. WKAR will gladly take your credit card instead of a check! :D

I knew the lead up to this football season was too quiet. Direct and Comcast are in a pissing match over Versus fees, so Versus has been removed from the Direct lineup. I can get by without a few football games in September (don't tell anybody else I said that though), but this had better be fixed by the time the NHL drops the puck.

Yeah, I'm pissed about it too, but based on the numbers put out in many media articles, I'm on DirecTV's side right here. One of the reasons I chose D* or E* was that Versus was in old Choice Extra or Plus HD DVR on D*. On E*, I would have had to subscribe to their Highest programming package to get it. DirecTV is now looking to get a similar deal that E* has (i'm thinking they are looking at moving it to the Sports Pack (hopefully not Premier or I'm screwed).

I'd like to see it right where its at, maybe pay the extra $.05 that Comcast wants and get CSN Philly (HD) full HD streams for CSN Bay Area & Cali, and CSN NW (HD).

Lil give, lil take, the whole world is happy...

The CM 4228 is more of a UHF antenna, in some specs it claims channels 7 - 69, but in most, such as at this comparison, it only lists it as a UHF antenna. http://www.solidsignal.com/channelmaster_antenna_chart.asp

Or on this description from:
http://www.cyberestore.com/hdtv-tuners-and-antennas/hdtv-antennas/channel-master-cm4228hd-8-bay-bowtie-uhf-antenna.html
It is listed as both a UHF and and a VHF/UHF antenna.


Channel Master CM4228HD 8-Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna

The 4228HD outdoor 8 bay antenna has been optimized for receiving HDTV/Digital and current analog signals. This UHF only TV antenna is HDTV compatible. It offers the highest standard gain of any Channel Master UHF only TV antenna. It is perfect for digital / analog long range TV reception.

Specifications:

* Designed and tested for high quality HDTV digital UHF TV reception!!
* Receives channels (7-69)
* Reception Range: Up to 60 Miles for UHF, 45 Miles for VHF


I suspect that it does not have very much VHF gain, if any.

Check out http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4228.html and http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html

The old CM4228 had a bump in gain for high-VHF that is GONE in the currently available CM4228HD...

Jeff

Based on my reading of the FCC database, WILX has been granted the authority to go to 30 kW from 14.8 kW. Doesn't look like they need a new antenna. Now to find out when they plan on cranking the juice!

I got ambitious and put the CM 4228HD on a post outside today. That made a big improvement. WILX isn't booming the way I like but I shouldn't be losing the signal very often either. If mathwhiz's info is correct, WILX's boost in radiated juice ought to solve any remaining problems. WHTV is also lowish, but at least I'm getting their OTA signal and then how often do they have anything I want to watch? As long as the landlord doesn't fuss about it I should be able to park my ass properly for football season.

WHTV has an application in with the FCC to go to 1000 kW from 13.6 kW, but hasn't been approved yet.

There's no sense in WHTV boosting power until they put something on worth watching.

Does anyone know of any MATV installers or techs around this area. I live in a high rise apt. building and am trying to talk them into upgrading and reactivating the master antenna on our roof. It's a ten story building and there's currently an antenna on the roof that isn't even connected at this time as we are wired for Comcast. It's really a waste as I see it. I just need to hook them up with someone that really knows what they're doing.

Real quick people....does anyone know how to access Comcast's new RedZone channel on the Lansing system?

Real quick people....does anyone know how to access Comcast's new RedZone channel on the Lansing system?

You need Sports and Entertainment package, then you will get it on 741.

You need Sports and Entertainment package, then you will get it on 741.

:-( channel just says TBA and not authorized. I figured that since my friend got the MLB network, which I do not, that he would get it. Oh well, thanks for the fast response!

:-( channel just says TBA and not authorized. I figured that since my friend got the MLB network, which I do not, that he would get it. Oh well, thanks for the fast response!

MLB Network is on Digital Classic, not the Sports tier.

Holy crap its finally done. My basement home theatre got completed today. Projector is mounted, 100" HD screen. My buddy and I created custom speaker mounts and got them up today.

Getting the IR repeater system running was such a pain. I extended the IR receiver with CAT5, but the jack I found had a different wiring setup than the IR plug. After taking the jack apart and figuring out the wiring, it was golden.

Watching SNF on NBC right now, will post pictures this week.

This is freaking sweet!!!!!

Holy crap its finally done. My basement home theatre got completed today. Projector is mounted, 100" HD screen. My buddy and I created custom speaker mounts and got them up today.

Getting the IR repeater system running was such a pain. I extended the IR receiver with CAT5, but the jack I found had a different wiring setup than the IR plug. After taking the jack apart and figuring out the wiring, it was golden.

Watching SNF on NBC right now, will post pictures this week.

This is freaking sweet!!!!!

Are we invited? I'll bring beer.

Are we invited? I'll bring beer.

homcom, there is always a seat for you and Ken and Dr. Don. Sorry I missed the party and Don's a few weeks ago. I was on Daddy duty with my son.

My buddy and I will be putting the system through some serious paces on Wednesday for UFC Fight Night and TUF10 premier

Congrats on getting it done Jeff. I was just thinking about it the other day, wondering how it was coming along. Will be looking forward to those pics.

Congrats on getting it done Jeff. I was just thinking about it the other day, wondering how it was coming along. Will be looking forward to those pics.

It's been a long painful trip to get this basement finished. Still need to get the bathroom done and lots of clean up.

I didn't want to go to bed last night, sat up and watched SNF and worked on programming the Harmony 880. Need to tweak the projection screen so that it stopa at the correct point.

Also, my rack is currently a mess, I've got my D* box temporarily on the clothes rack in the closet. I need shelfing for a 2 post rack, but can't find anything locally. I've looked on the web, but shipping has been crazy. ANybody know where i can get shelves for a 2 post rack?

Very, very nicejefbal. I saw those pics you posted a few months ago, can't even imagine how nice it looks now.

Very, very nicejefbal. I saw those pics you posted a few months ago, can't even imagine how nice it looks now.

It amazing, the speaker brackets my buddy designed are wonderful.

I'll hopefully get pics up tonight (if I get enough cleaning and picking up done).

Is WHTV still co-located on WLNS' tower? I don't even get a whisper of a signal for them, even though I get 100% on WLNS, WILX, and WKAR.

Is WHTV still co-located on WLNS' tower?.


Yes, but see coverage map:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1169688.html

Here are a few pics, but they are from the wife's point and shoot (it doesn't do well in low light). Doesn't due justice to the PQ of the projector and screen.

MNF
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152624&stc=1&d=1252981854

Wiring Rack (Still in progress, need shelving)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152625&stc=1&d=1252981854

Projector and Rear Surrounds
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152626&stc=1&d=1252981880

Front Surrounds, Center channel, screen, and sub woofer on the floor
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152627&stc=1&d=1252981880

Like I said, the digi cam used doesn't do it justice, I'll get out my DSLR and take some shots soon.

For those that can pick up WOOD out of GR, they're local news appears to be in HD now.

Here are a few pics, but they are from the wife's point and shoot (it doesn't do well in low light). Doesn't due justice to the PQ of the projector and screen.

MNF
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152624&stc=1&d=1252981854

Wiring Rack (Still in progress, need shelving)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152625&stc=1&d=1252981854

Projector and Rear Surrounds
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152626&stc=1&d=1252981880

Front Surrounds, Center channel, screen, and sub woofer on the floor
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152627&stc=1&d=1252981880

Like I said, the digi cam used doesn't do it justice, I'll get out my DSLR and take some shots soon.

I am totally coming over for the super bowl!

I am totally coming over for the super bowl!

Find me some shelving for a 2 post rack and that just might get you a ticket

much better pic, 100" of UEFA Champions League football :)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152702&stc=1&d=1253067237

Find me some shelving for a 2 post rack and that just might get you a ticket

Include a beer and you have yourself a deal!

Include a beer and you have yourself a deal!

Thats just a given...

oh and Cristiano Ronaldo is a diving lil bitch...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=152717&d=1253070602

I've got a couple of shots from the season premiere of The Ultimate Fighter 10 from last night, however, they are a bit bloody. If anybody wants to see them, check out the links below

Pic 1 (http://home.comcast.net/~johnny_x/images/tuf1.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://home.comcast.net/~johnny_x/images/tuf2.jpg)

Gary,

That map of WHTV's coverage area is a joke. I know people in south Lansing that can't get them (no detectable signal with a 6 el. yagi inside pointing at a window facing east), my daughter has a 4 bow tie antenna north of Potterville outside on the second floor, and they don't get a good lock on them either.

Jeff,

I need to print a photo of your rack, so I can show my wife. She thinks I run a lot of wires so she can watch TV.......... If your looking for something to make a shelf out of for your rack, go out to MSU salvage. They have stuff all the time that is made for a 19 inch rack that you could gut out.

Mark

I have a question, how much does Comcast charge for an HD DVR and for a regular HD box?

I have a question, how much does Comcast charge for an HD DVR and for a regular HD box?

HD: 8.95
DVR 15.95 but usually you can talk them into a promo price of 9.99.

If these are extra boxes they may also want to charge you outlets fees, but again that is usually something that can be negotiated.

Two new HD channels appear to be on the way on Comcast in Meridian. Both are showing up as "Not Authorized" on my box, despite the fact that I get them in SD.

254 - NBA HD
259 - NHL HD

Two new HD channels appear to be on the way on Comcast in Meridian. Both are showing up as "Not Authorized" on my box, despite the fact that I get them in SD.

254 - NBA HD
259 - NHL HD

I think they are getting added across Michigan, there was a note about them in the Detroit thread recently

HD: 8.95
DVR 15.95 but usually you can talk them into a promo price of 9.99.

If these are extra boxes they may also want to charge you outlets fees, but again that is usually something that can be negotiated.
Great, thanks for the reply. I want to get another HD box for my slingbox. I dont really think that I need a DVR for it because I have one in the livingroom right now anyways.

anybody else have issues with House on Fox 47 OTA last night? in the first hour I had 3 random pauses.

anybody else have issues with House on Fox 47 OTA last night? in the first hour I had 3 random pauses.

None here on Comcast- Lansing.

Just heard from WILX that they have increased their power - so hopefully it'll come in better for people.

Now to figure out why I'm getting occasional breakup on WLNS - I think it might be too strong of a signal - will have to play around with that.

anyone else having problems with WLNS for the last couple weeks? I have an OTA on my roof plugged into the back of my directv box. All I get on 6-1 is "looking for signal"

*update* Reset OTA and ran initial setup and fixed.

Just heard from WILX that they have increased their power - so hopefully it'll come in better for people.

Now to figure out why I'm getting occasional breakup on WLNS - I think it might be too strong of a signal - will have to play around with that.

Re-scanning now, will see what happens. Previously, I was only able to pick up WSYM, WLNS most of the time, and bits and pieces of WKAR.

Scan is now showing those 2 useless WAQP stations, WLNS, WSYM and WKAR. No change, still to WILX for me.

I haven't had issues picking up WLNS the last couple of weeks, but have noticed occasionally breakup in my picture/sound on it. Not sure when it started since I didn't watch much on CBS over the summer. In my case I think it may be too strong of a signal - I'm going to try different things when I have a change. Reducing the strength isn't an issue, but have to make sure I still get the other channels as well.

Anybody with DirecTV having trouble getting 6-1 with AM21s or the built in tuner on an HR20?

I have an AM21 on my HR22 and H21 and neither are picking up 6-1, just searching for signal. I get all the other locals OTA fine with my AM21s. My ATSC tuner in my Samsung DLP gets 6-1 fine too. Same for my HR20.

Its been awhile since I've tried to watch CBS in HD, so I'm not sure the last time it worked.

Edit in: Fixed it, had tried rescans in the past with no success. I had to Reset the OTA, then rerun the initial setup. Watching 6-1 now.

Been having same problem. Reset OTA and ran initial setup and fixed.

When I set up the new outside antenna for my H20 receiver I had to run a system reset before WLNS would show. Before that, the antenna signal meter was showing plenty of signal for WLNS but wouldn't show the channel.

Holy crap...WILX!! I did a re-scan, and it came through, but at a very low quality. I re-positioned my antenna a bit, and I am now getting 67% signal strength and 87% signal quality. MUCH better, but still pretty poor. Welcome back, WILX.
Now, where are WLAJ and WHTV?

Now, where are WLAJ and WHTV?

Where do you live? And, what is your antenna?

Where do you live? And, what is your antenna?

Just outside of downtown now, 48915 (capitol commons), 2nd of 3 floors, with my window facing to the west. My antenna is laughable, i'll attach a picture. I have this rabbit ear guy that I found, plus I borrowed a powered saucer flat antenna. The flat antenna does a terrible job, worse than the powerless rabbit ears. What I had to do to get WILX reliably was position the rabbit ears just right, and then place the unplugged flat antenna to its side, wrap it in tin foil, and prop it on its side about 10 degres. Now I get WSYM WILX WLNS ion WKAR, and bits and pieces of WLAJ. WHTV is still 100% MIA.

Well, I'm in the downtown area too and with the latest scan I still can't get WILX and lost WKAR as well. My windows face west too. I'm in a brick high rise.

Lions will be blacked out locally, as expected...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4500240

If you have an outdoor aerial antenna, point it to GR for Fox 17

Lions will be blacked out locally, as expected...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4500240

If you have an outdoor aerial antenna, point it to GR for Fox 17

Excellent. What game will we get instead?

Another stupid question. I just happened to be browsing QAM channels on my Comcast line, and I noticed that WLNS was showing The Price Is Right in HD, at 3pm. Normally, this show is a network broadcast at 11am. Does the fact that WLNS is showing this syndicated at 3pm in HD mean that someone in Lansing finally has HD playback capabilities, or is it simply a secondary network feed at 3pm? Anyone?

The Price is Right is not a syndicated program, it is a network feed. CBS took Guiding Light off the air with 9/18 being the last episode. CBS is airing episodes of The Price is Right in the 3pm timeslot until Let's Make a Deal airs in that slot starting 10/5. So it's a network feed at 3pm - being a different episode than the 11 am feed.

Just outside of downtown now, 48915 (capitol commons), 2nd of 3 floors, with my window facing to the west.


Oh man, you're gonna need to cut a hole in a south facing wall to get WLAJ, or an east facing wall for WHTV.

In the mean time, go to the library and borrow (check out) one of the Terk HDTVa antennas we provided. Let us know if tha thelps.

Well, I'm in the downtown area too and with the latest scan I still can't get WILX and lost WKAR as well. My windows face west too. I'm in a brick high rise.

Same answer, try the Terk HDTVa antenna. It's as good as an indoor antenna can be.

The Price is Right is not a syndicated program, it is a network feed. CBS took Guiding Light off the air with 9/18 being the last episode. CBS is airing episodes of The Price is Right in the 3pm timeslot until Let's Make a Deal airs in that slot starting 10/5. So it's a network feed at 3pm - being a different episode than the 11 am feed.

Damn. Oh well. Thanks for the info.

Well, I'm in the downtown area too and with the latest scan I still can't get WILX and lost WKAR as well. My windows face west too. I'm in a brick high rise.

Same answer, try the Terk HDTVa antenna. It's as good as an indoor antenna can be.

Oh man, you're gonna need to cut a hole in a south facing wall to get WLAJ, or an east facing wall for WHTV.

In the mean time, go to the library and borrow (check out) one of the Terk HDTVa antennas we provided. Let us know if tha thelps.

Hmm, so my tin foil won't work as well as that antenna, huh? haha.

I can live without WLAJ and WHTV, nothing on there I really watch anyway. Are the antennas at the main downtown lansing branch?

Is anyone else missing their QAM channels from Comcast? I live in 48912.

I've done several re-scans and have come up with nothing. Prime-time is just 45 min away.

:(

Edit: I called and CS told me that there is a service alert for a maintenance that started at 10am this morning. They said it should be completed by 8:00pm.

I am picking up WILX with about a 70% signal strength here in Holly. That is a bump of about 6-8 points for me. No breakups either. WLNS is still hitting 100% in my area pointing at the TX, with 70 % off the back of the antenna. Using my trusty Radio Shack VU 90 with Winegard pre-amp. WKAR's hitting 85-90%, WLAJ at about 70-73% when pointing at the TX. No WHTV.

I am picking up WILX with about a 70% signal strength here in Holly. ..... No WHTV.

Not much chance of getting WHTV out there, that is on the back side of their directional antenna.

Not much chance of getting WHTV out there, that is on the back side of their directional antenna.

What does their direction antenna point at, the ground? Can anyone on this forum reliably pick up WHTV? They should just shut off their transmitter, save the power costs, and upgrade to HD via cable.

Excellent. What game will we get instead?

Bret Favre's home debut, Vikings v. 49ers

I can reliably pick up WHTV. That's with a medium sized directional outside antenna, with a rotor, on top of a two story house, on a good hill near Potterville. Most people I've talked to have a lot of trouble getting them.

I get all the Lansing stations, Ion out of Ann Arbor, and WWMT, WOOD, WOTV, WXMI, WZPX, and WLLA out of G.R./Kazoo (cannot get WZZM or the GVSU PBS stations). Nothing out of Flint/Saginaw.

I can reliably pick up WHTV. That's with a medium sized directional outside antenna, with a rotor, on top of a two story house, on a good hill near Potterville. Most people I've talked to have a lot of trouble getting them.

I get all the Lansing stations, Ion out of Ann Arbor, and WWMT, WOOD, WOTV, WXMI, WZPX, and WLLA out of G.R./Kazoo (cannot get WZZM or the GVSU PBS stations). Nothing out of Flint/Saginaw.

So what you are saying is that your antenna is not an unpowered, tin foil covered thingy?

Is anybody else hearing the occasional strange beep on tonight's FSD Tiger broadcast?

Yankee368,

My antenna is not "powered". By that I think you mean uses a preamp (and yes there is no added foil on the antenna). The only power the antenna system takes is to power the rotor. I was going to put up three antennas in three different directions and just use a antenna switch near the TV, but put a rotor back up with just one antenna. I may still put up the three antennas so my wife can watch something in one direction while she records something else from a station in another direction. So far that has not been a problem for her.

Just spoke with a CSR regarding NHL HD and NBA HD:
The channels have been added to the guide, but they're not really there yet. They'll say "Not Authorized" until it's hooked up, which is supposed to happen "by the end of October" (in time for NBA fans, but not for NHL).

Anyone else on Comcast not getting FSNHD coming in? Just a blank screen for me right now, same thing with BigTenHD, HDTheatre, HistoryHD, and possibly a few others that I haven't noticed. This started yesterday and I just thought it was a signal outage or something for FSN, but now it seems like a lot of channels are seeing this too. Anyone else got this too?

No problems here (Meridian), heed.

What does their direction antenna point at, the ground? Can anyone on this forum reliably pick up WHTV? They should just shut off their transmitter, save the power costs, and upgrade to HD via cable.

What a great comment! I've been in DeWitt for 13 years and have NEVER seen WHTV, either analog or digital. I use a winegard ss-3000 indoor antenna on the ground floor and can get 6, 10, 23, 27(or whatever the church station is. It comes in spotty, but who cares?), 41 (unfortunately, it's usually spotty, so watching for any length of time is problematic), 47 and 53. I keep thinking about putting up an antenna on the roof, but have just never gotten around to doing so.

No problems here (Meridian), heed.

All good now here too. Weird.

What a great comment! I've been in DeWitt for 13 years and have NEVER seen WHTV, either analog or digital. .

Their analog transmitter was in Leslie, and nobody north of Mason (or so) stood a chance of receiving their analog signal. When they activated digital, on RF channel 34, it was in Jackson with about 4kW ERP, perfectly receivable at the Jackson Court House. They moved north to Okemos a couple of years ago, but at only 11kW ERP and with a very directional pattern (aimed toward their city-of-license, Jackson.)

I can receive it, and I live north of DeWitt, but I have a large outdoor directional antenna with an 18dB amplifier in-line, and it takes every bit of that 18dB to pull in WHTV.

So, if you really want their signal, it is doable, but you are going to have to really want it.

What does their direction antenna point at, the ground? Can anyone on this forum reliably pick up WHTV? They should just shut off their transmitter, save the power costs, and upgrade to HD via cable.

I'm on the West side of Lansing and get WHTV OTA just fine with my Winegard MS-2000 flying saucer and its in line power inserter

WHTV Lansing, Radio Shack round antenna, just fine.
WHTV Jackson, Antennas Direct C-1, just fine.
WHTV Moscow, Antennas Direct C-2, just fine.
Pattern is kind of an egg shape from Okemos, guess all my places just fall into the egg.

Lansing system is now showing the NFL Red Zone Network in HD on channel 742

When is Lansing going to get HD locals from DirecTV?

Lansing system is now showing the NFL Red Zone Network in HD on channel 742

Confirmed in Meridian Township.

When is Lansing going to get HD locals from DirecTV?

Been rumored for the last two years. A DirecTV employee who posts over at DBSTalk noted this past winter/spring that a Michigan DMA would be getting HD locals this year. However, with D12 getting pushed back on its launch to the end of this year, we prolly won't see a spot beam with HD LiL until next February at the earliest. DirecTV has a page that lists the announced DMAs to get HD LiL for the rest of this year.

D* and E* use the same local receive facility (located at WILX offices on the south end of town) and E* has most of the locals in HD (I think WLAJ is still missing).

I watch the TP reports over at DBSTalk, still haven't even seen test channels in the DirecTV steams for the Lansing Locals in HD. If we see those added in, then we are much closer.

D* and E* use the same local receive facility (located at WILX offices on the south end of town) and E* has most of the locals in HD (I think WLAJ is still missing).

FWIW, E* added WLAJ HD a few weeks ago.

FWIW, E* added WLAJ HD a few weeks ago.

Cool, I didn't know that. I need to take some time and update the first post with all the line up changes that have occurred in the last year.

If you are a subscriber to a certain video provider, please send me a PM with an updated HD channel list. I am a D* sub, so I wil handle their update.

Thanks

Whats the deal with WSYM dropping into SD to show their BUG every hour? I thought Fox's splicer would keep the HD feed going when a local bug was inserted?

Whats the deal with WSYM dropping into SD to show their BUG every hour? I thought Fox's splicer would keep the HD feed going when a local bug was inserted?

Do not know why they are doing that, but I have to say that they are fairly quick about it. At no point have I seen them pull HD off for SD, and forget to put HD back on. Usually lasts for about 5 seconds.

I am no longer getting 5.1 from the WLNS HD feed.

Is this happening for anyone else?

Same thing here, it's been that way for about a week now.

I am no longer getting 5.1 from the WLNS HD feed.

Is this happening for anyone else?

I'll check and see what I can find out

Same thing here, it's been that way for about a week now.

WLNS can no longer support 5.1 audio as they no longer have a suitable audio processor, 2.0 audio is all they can do. I have asked if it was a hardware malfunction that will replaced.

Seems I recall them getting some new hardware not too long ago that enabled 5.1 and HD bug features, etc. That's really weird. Wonder if it got repo'd...

Seems I recall them getting some new hardware not too long ago that enabled 5.1 and HD bug features, etc. That's really weird. Wonder if it got repo'd...

That might be on the right track...

WLNS parent company, Young Broadcasting has been in bankruptcy/financial issues for quite awhile. As part of the bankruptcy, they have given management responsibilities to Gray Television for 7 of the 10 stations. WLNS was not one of those because Gray owns WILX locally.

The processor was returned to the vendor and was not damaged or malfunctioning.

Any complaints should be sent to the program director.

here is the email i sent to tmorton@wlns.com :

I'm wondering if WLNS is having issues with their recently upgraded infrastructure systems as the 5.1 surround sound has disappeared from CBS programming in the last week. It was such a nice addition to the stellar CBS programming to have the native audio track that is meant for their programming.

CBS Sports is top on the heap in network broadcasts, it would be very sad to lose surround sound for all the CBS events that we only got added this year.

I hope that this is a temporary issue that can be resolved ASAP.

Thanks so much

I also tweeted to @wlns, maybe if enough people ask the question we will see some movement

Is NHL Network coming in for anyone else? It hasn't been able to tune to that channel on any of our boxes here for the past few days...

Is NHL Network coming in for anyone else? It hasn't been able to tune to that channel on any of our boxes here for the past few days...

Works fine down here in the Detroit area.

What is it saying when you go to the channel?

Works fine down here in the Detroit area.

What is it saying when you go to the channel?

Something to the effect of "Please Wait". I think it may be a signal issue as when I check it on the TiVo, it says signal strength is around 50 or so whereas most other channels are upper 80s or 90s. Strange that just that one channel would go out though after it has worked since we got it.

Something to the effect of "Please Wait". I think it may be a signal issue as when I check it on the TiVo, it says signal strength is around 50 or so whereas most other channels are upper 80s or 90s. Strange that just that one channel would go out though after it has worked since we got it.

I assume you are talking about NHL Network HD, if so try NBA TV HD. Down here both of those channels are on the same frequency.

I assume you are talking about NHL Network HD, if so try NBA TV HD. Down here both of those channels are on the same frequency.

Nope, NHL HD and NBA TV HD still haven't been added here, though they are in the guide. Channel 737, which is NHL Network SD just sits there with nothing...NBA TV SD comes in fine

...and now NHL Network is coming in. This is happening more frequently with random channels it seems for me. They go out for a few days then come back, anyone know what could be causing this?

I am no longer getting 5.1 from the WLNS HD feed.

Is this happening for anyone else?

Something changed, cause I was getting surround sound during the Saturday SEC games and Sunday NFL games.

Whats the deal with WSYM dropping into SD to show their BUG every hour? I thought Fox's splicer would keep the HD feed going when a local bug was inserted?

Guess is that the splicer will do a FoX bug, but not the station identification logo/bug. ID is still required at the top of the hour.

The Fox splicer is supposed to be able to do a top of hour ID.

- Trip

The Fox splicer is supposed to be able to do a top of hour ID.

- Trip

Thanks, then I guessed wrong.

WHTV Lansing, Radio Shack round antenna, just fine.
WHTV Jackson, Antennas Direct C-1, just fine.
WHTV Moscow, Antennas Direct C-2, just fine.
Pattern is kind of an egg shape from Okemos, guess all my places just fall into the egg.

I am less than 10 miles away (northeast) of WLNS' tower, have a Winegard 8200 with a pre-amp pointed right at it, and I get from 30% to 0% for WHTV. Most of the time it's nada. Meanwhile, WLNS blasts in at 100% all the time.

I am less than 10 miles away (northeast) of WLNS' tower, have a Winegard 8200 with a pre-amp pointed right at it, and I get from 30% to 0% for WHTV. Most of the time it's nada. Meanwhile, WLNS blasts in at 100% all the time.

Try taking the pre-amp out, you might be getting too much signal.

Thanks, then I guessed wrong.

No worries. The Fox splicer is limited to just that and a bug, and actually the top-of-hour ID was not even originally included. I saw a copy of a manual that did not have it, and then a later "amended" copy that contained the top-of-hour ID.

- Trip

I am less than 10 miles away (northeast) of WLNS' tower, have a Winegard 8200 with a pre-amp pointed right at it, and I get from 30% to 0% for WHTV. Most of the time it's nada. Meanwhile, WLNS blasts in at 100% all the time.

Yep, I'd imagine that's true, their antenna is mounted on the south west side of the tower, ie: you ain't in the egg.
WLNS is throwing about a million watts at you, WHTV is on the other side of the ground, and everything (which is a small percentage of what WLNS' everything is) is aimed away from you.

Maybe that will change if they get their increase approved.

WLAJ dropped the ABC HD feed for the Oklahoma V Texas game, called WWMT, hopefully it will be fixed soon

I finally found the Local thread round here after 4 yrs.....

I'm wondering if anyone with local home theater setup would mind playing a bit of show & tell as I'm finding advice challenging and eyes/ears on opportunities limited around my circle of friends in Lansing.

I posted some pic of my home theater beginnings here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1189374

PM me as my framing is near done and I'd like to see / learn all I can before drywall goes up next week even!!!

Yes, I will be entering the construction phase this weekend and need to order a projector ASAP. I too would love to see a completed room and do a Q & A if anyone in/near Lansing is 'down' with that.

I finally found the Local thread round here after 4 yrs.....

I'm wondering if anyone with local home theater setup would mind playing a bit of show & tell as I'm finding advice challenging and eyes/ears on opportunities limited around my circle of friends in Lansing.

I posted some pic of my home theater beginnings here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1189374

PM me as my framing is near done and I'd like to see / learn all I can before drywall goes up next week even!!!

Yes, I will be entering the construction phase this weekend and need to order a projector ASAP. I too would love to see a completed room and do a Q & A if anyone in/near Lansing is 'down' with that.

I'm in DeWitt -- does that count? :p

Don't want to derail the Lansing HD talk too much, but I started my room in January and made it "watchable" in time for State's run to the final four. My thread is in my sig.

Oh and just to keep the thread on topic, I record Lansing OTA stations via my 2 Hauppauge HVR-1600 cards. I get all of the locals and sometimes stations in GR, Flint, Jackson, Ann Arbor, and Battle Creek. The previous owner of my house (it's a 2 story) put a small antenna in the attic garage. I've never had a good look at it, but I think it's a smallish (< 2 foot) plastic coasted single pole. It runs via coax down to my basement where there is a small amp attached to it that plugs in. If you want more details let me know.

Don't want to derail the Lansing HD talk too much, but I started my room in January and made it "watchable" in time for State's run to the final four. My thread is in my sig.

.... If you want more details let me know.

Eh, I vote we HiJack it as we have all the HD we need now, although the kids are upset that AT&T uVerse doesn't have CW network and they have to watch Gossip Girl across the street.

Besides there is no "Lansing HT thread!"


Matt your set up looks great, albeit more of a multi-purpose than I'm shooting for in a very single purpose room I'd love to see the Epson 6500UB if we might be able to?

My beginnings are in my sig...

Is FOX 47 HD (234 Lansing) filled with static for anyone else?

EDIT: Nevermind. The feed is fine during commercials, but the tape they are playing back of The Simpsons is absolutely static filled. What the heck do they use to play back over there, a VCR from 1982?

Is FOX 47 HD (234 Lansing) filled with static for anyone else?

EDIT: Nevermind. The feed is fine during commercials, but the tape they are playing back of The Simpsons is absolutely static filled. What the heck do they use to play back over there, a VCR from 1982?

I got this on my cell and checked OTA and the feed was fine, lil bit old school, but not that scratchy

I got this on my cell and checked OTA and the feed was fine, lil bit old school, but not that scratchy

Same thing now, if someone wants to turn on WSYM HD between now and 7pm.

WHTV has amended their 1000 kW ND filing to instead specify 540 kW DA, presumably to protect CBEFT-35 in Windsor. (The null is in that direction.)

Anything strange happen with fox 47? I was getting consistent mid to upper 80's for signal strength and with no changes to my setup I am now getting low to mid 70's with the occasional lost signal alerts on the ota tuner on my dish 722.

I am using a SS-3000 indoor antenna next to a south facing window. Has been a great antenna. All other channels are great with no changes in signal strength, just fox 47. Tried rotating the antenna different directions and it only got worse, 72-74 was about as good as it would get.

No HD LiL from DirecTV in the near future. The nameless Michigan DMA to get HD LiL is Marquette up in the U.P. It goes live on 11/11.

We are now the only full DMA in Michigan without HD LiL from DirecTV (Alpena has a CBS channel).

D* and E* use the same uplink facility that has been upgraded and is ready to go. E* has had HD LiL for Lansing for well over a year.

Seriously, WTF?

I will be considering a switch over to E* after the Sunday Ticket season wraps. I've decided that I no longer will be ordering the Ticket since the Red Zone channel is mainly all I ever watch. And the lack of locals is frustrating even though I get OTA in just fine. Its merely a convenience we don't get.

I will be considering a switch over to E* after the Sunday Ticket season wraps. I've decided that I no longer will be ordering the Ticket since the Red Zone channel is mainly all I ever watch. And the lack of locals is frustrating even though I get OTA in just fine. Its merely a convenience we don't get.

If I didn't have my OTA setup and AM21s for my D* boxes w/o an ATSC tuner, then I would consider switching. However, I get all the locals in HD plus, their sub channels. It would be nice to have another option and the HD LiL can be scheduled from the web site. Also the recordings would be smaller as it is MPEG4 compression rather than the MPEG2.

^ I've got the same set up. I have mixed feeling about what will happen if they ever do activate HD Lil. It's not like I'm going to see a better signal except for the cases where there are transmission problems. I also like being able to access the non-available HD channels and digital subchannels through the AM-21 tuner. It saves the step (or two depending on TV) of having to switch from the TV's OTA tuner to an external device when I surf channels.

I also wish D* would add the local channels for remote selection. It's only been a problem once so far.

Anything strange happen with fox 47? I was getting consistent mid to upper 80's for signal strength and with no changes to my setup I am now getting low to mid 70's with the occasional lost signal alerts on the ota tuner on my dish 722. <snipped>.

I'm having the problem with dropouts and macroblocking on WSYM. What's stranger is three tuners are showing signal strength in the 90s but the meter on my D* H20 shows WSYM's signal in the low 70s.

Anything strange happen with fox 47? I was getting consistent mid to upper 80's for signal strength and with no changes to my setup I am now getting low to mid 70's with the occasional lost signal alerts on the ota tuner on my dish 722.

I am using a SS-3000 indoor antenna next to a south facing window. Has been a great antenna. All other channels are great with no changes in signal strength, just fox 47. Tried rotating the antenna different directions and it only got worse, 72-74 was about as good as it would get.

The exact same thing happens to me from time to time. Normally a very strong signal, then for an hour, or a day, or even several days I cannot get a good signal. And then it just goes back to normal.
I have spoken with the engineer at the station. He has had other reports of the same but has no idea what is the cause.

The exact same thing happens to me from time to time. Normally a very strong signal, then for an hour, or a day, or even several days I cannot get a good signal. And then it just goes back to normal.
I have spoken with the engineer at the station. He has had other reports of the same but has no idea what is the cause.
Back in analog days, every now and then I'd hear a foreign audio bleeding over a channel I was watching when a cop car or taxi cab would go by, or a nearby Ham or CBer would be transmitting. Could this same kind of localized interference be causing your problem, since the station says they can't explain yet get other complaints??

Actually had an incidence about three weeks ago that the Antenna Guy tracked down to a new section of electric horse fence that was wiping out a persons reception. Had any fencing going on? Or perhaps new electric gizmos?

No electric fences, live in the city. No new electronic gadgets here, don't know about the neighbors though.

In the city you I guess you wouldn't have the horse fence, new invisible dog fence nearby perhaps?

New channels on Comcast in Meridian:

185 - TCM HD
246 - CNN Headline News HD
247 - truTV HD

In addition, the following channels are now live (they've been in the guide for a month):
254 - NBA TV HD
259 - NHL HD

Does anyone have any info on when the Lansing system will get ANY new HD stations? We still do not get any of the HBO suite except for HBO1HD, and a ton of others listed at *coming soon*

I am confused>

I thought that wilx is a nbc station?

I am watching channel (8) 3 out of kalamazoo with cbs kelly and regis- and the same program is on 10 in lansng.

previously wilx was the same as wood(7) 8

Live With Regis and Kelly is syndicated, not network.

Wouldn't George Molnar's problem be a FCC issuse?