I have used sopcast for a while now, great for all sports.

It does ook like they have all the NFl games tomorrow.

the entire argument is mute
That would be a great idea for a lot of arguments.

Some of us care so little about football the entire argument is mute. I love hockey, but I don't even get NHL Center Ice. Between the broadcast Blues games and the games on HDNet and Versus I get my fill of hockey. Even if I was a big football fan, the season isn't 12 months anyhow, so I never understood basing ones decision on that alone. I guess its a "football thing."

I'll still come over if you have good food, heh.

Yeah football's no fun...and there's just 113 days, 8 hours and 48 minutes 'till the first pitch of the MLB season! Speaking of baseball, I haven't caught up on who's gonna have the most Cards games in HD this year, D*, E* or Charter...any ideas?

-Matt

Yeah football's no fun...and there's just 113 days, 8 hours and 48 minutes 'till the first pitch of the MLB season! Speaking of baseball, I haven't caught up on who's gonna have the most Cards games in HD this year, D*, E* or Charter...any ideas?

-MattI have NFL Sunday Ticket/Superfan and I couldn't care less about having it. I watch baseball, when they're aren't good auto races on my Tivo. Now if we could have some besides the NASCAR Reality Channel...err...Speed, that would be something.

Yeah football's no fun...and there's just 113 days, 8 hours and 48 minutes 'till the first pitch of the MLB season! Speaking of baseball, I haven't caught up on who's gonna have the most Cards games in HD this year, D*, E* or Charter...any ideas?

-Matt
Matt,
FSNMW has not stated how many of their 132 games they will do in HD this year.
Either way, with only Charter having FSNMW-HD, it would likely be the provider with the most HD content for Cards games.

KSDK Will do all 20 of their games in HD, so anyone with OTA or local DT's on satellite will see them also.

The remaining 10 games will go to FOX and ESPN. ESPN will do theirs in HD, but FOX may do HD, or may do Fox Widescreen.

Sunday night's season kick-off game (Mets) will be in HD on ESPNHD. All other teams begin their season on Monday.

I think the small market Cards will command a better look next year, some better time slots, which should trickle down to more HD coverage. All things equal, with KSKD and ESPN, we have picked up 10 additional HD games already, for the coming season. It should only go up.

KSKD and FSN are doing 2 each spring training games, but nothing has been stated if they will be SD or HD. I'd guess SD.

Many of us keep telling them we want full 1920x1080 HD, but the prospect is remote. Might as well ask for Jessica - the chances are about the same. :D

I'd much rather have Jessica.

Doug,

Have you ever ran across one of these Olevia TVs in your experience? I'm looking for a bedroom TV and this sounds good.

Olevia 232V (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-2-Series-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#tabs)

I have a 27" in our bedroom. It does not have a built in tuner. I have it hooked up to the Mate on my MOXI. It is hooked up by composite cables. I am extremely happy with it. I have yet to see any HD on it, but for being a bedroom TV, I am pleased.

How's the sound?

Its ok, but I don't expect much from a sub $500 27" LCD. Afterall, it is only on while I'm in bed for less than an hour.

That's all I would expect. Thanks!

Doug,

Have you ever ran across one of these Olevia TVs in your experience? I'm looking for a bedroom TV and this sounds good.

Olevia 232V (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-2-Series-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#tabs)

Winston

Have you looked at the Vizio. A 37" LCD is less than $700.00 at Sam's and Costco. They have all the tuners and speakers. My daughter has one in her bedroom and loves it.

Walt

I have a 27" in our bedroom. It does not have a built in tuner. I have it hooked up to the Mate on my MOXI. It is hooked up by composite cables. I am extremely happy with it. I have yet to see any HD on it, but for being a bedroom TV, I am pleased.

I bought a 27" Olevia last year for my son and have a HD Charter STB and an upconverting LG DVD hooked up. It gives a good picture in HD as you would expect and it does have numerous settings. The price is right.

Matt,
FSNMW has not stated how many of their 132 games they will do in HD this year.
Either way, with only Charter having FSNMW-HD, it would likely be the provider with the most HD content for Cards games.
.

sigh :( ...that's what I was afraid of...

thanks,

-Matt

Winston

Have you looked at the Vizio. A 37" LCD is less than $700.00 at Sam's and Costco. They have all the tuners and speakers. My daughter has one in her bedroom and loves it.

Walt

I was going to suggest the same thing. The Vizio for $200 less is bar far the better value. I would be all over the Vizio.

Scott

Thanks for the idea guys. I had looked at the Vizio's before when I was in Sam's but hadn't thought it them recently; I became fixated on the Olevia.

I don't see any 37" Vizio's on the Sam's website for $699, its showing up as $899 and the 32" is coming up at $699.

One more question... how big of a difference would the Vizio's 800:1 contrast ration be compared to the Olevia's 1600:1?

Thanks for the idea guys. I had looked at the Vizio's before when I was in Sam's but hadn't thought it them recently; I became fixated on the Olevia.

I don't see any 37" Vizio's on the Sam's website for $699, its showing up as $899 and the 32" is coming up at $699.

One more question... how big of a difference would the Vizio's 800:1 contrast ration be compared to the Olevia's 1600:1?

Yeah, I meant the 32".

I'm really not sure how to answer the contrast question other than to tell you the obvious that it is 1/2 of the Olevia's. Of course the Olevia's will be 1/2 of someone elses. Where does it end? Like you said, it's going in the bedroom where it's not likely to be viewed critically. I woul get the cheaper one personally. Besides, Vizio is more fun to say. :cool:

Scott

Winston,

I haven't had any hands-on experience with the Oleiva LCDs, so can't really offer first-hand observations.

But I think for a bedroom TV, the Oleiva would likely be fine. For the most part, bedroom and study TVs aren't critical viewing opportunities, so there's a lot to be said for focusing primarily on "bang for the buck." That said, I would expect that the Vizio would have somewhat better picture quality, as plasma will generally have better black level than an LCD panel.

As for manufacturer contrast ratio claims, I think your best bet is to ignore them completely. There's no standard for how contrast ratio is measured and often the contrast, black level and grayscale have all been manipulated to ensure maximum light levels. While peak light level is important, black level is much more important. Cranking up peak light level to compensate for mediocre black levels is not unusual, particularly for LCD display manufacturers.

STL HDTV Survey Results - Part 3: Digital Multicasting

This third summary of the results of the "HDTV in St. Louis" viewer survey focuses on viewer opinions about digital multicasting.

As explained in the survey, "digital multicasting is a new technology that allows digital TV stations to provide multiple channels with different types of programming, instead of just a single channel as in the past. When a digital TV station uses multicasting, some of the station's available bandwidth normally used exclusively for HD video and digital sound is reallocated to enable delivery of one or more "subchannels." When multicasting is employed in this manner, the HD channel typically remains in place, but with reduced bandwidth."

The series of questions on multicasting was optional, and of the 188 persons who participated in the survey, 105 answered all four questions.

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Your Prior Awareness of Mutlicasting: With nearly 85 percent of survey respondents describing themselves as "HDTV Enthusiasts," it follows that there would be a large percentage of participants saying they are aware of how digital multicasting works and how it is used.

Also, a survey participant who knows something about multicasting seems more llikely to choose to answer questions about it.

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Do You See Multicasting Having an Impact on Picture/Sound Quality?: Slightly more than 3 out of every 4 respondents said they were able to see reduced quality and associated it with multicasting,

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Did Multicasting Impact Your Digital Channel Ratings?: A healthy majority of respondents say they docked points from multicasting stations when they rated their picture and sound quality. But just as interesting, 25% of the participants who observed reduced quality as a result of multicasting apparently weren't bothered enough about it to take that into account when they rated individual local stations.

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Are You Ready to Forego Some HD Quality for More Non-HD Content?: Just shy of two-thirds of respondents weren't happy about a quantity-for-quality swap, with four out of 10 indicating they want no part of it.

But just over 25% say "deal."

NEXT: Digital Multicasting -- The next summary, probably available by Wednesday or Thursday, will provide details on Pay TV services, including customer ratings of each service in the areas of: HD channel choice; HD hardware and advanced services; HD customer and technical support; HD picture quality; HD sound quality; and overall HD value.

Previous Summaries

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DISCLAIMER: AVS is in no way a party to this survey, apart from being a vehicle to promote the survey's availability and as an avenue to report back results. None of the questions or results should in any way be taken to represent the views or opinions of the management of AVS or its various partners.

Winston,

I haven't had any hands-on experience with the Oleiva LCDs, so can't really offer first-hand observations.

But I think for a bedroom TV, the Oleiva would likely be fine. For the most part, bedroom and study TVs aren't critical viewing opportunities, so there's a lot to be said for focusing primarily on "bang for the buck." That said, I would expect that the Vizio would have somewhat better picture quality, as plasma will generally have better black level than an LCD panel.

As for manufacturer contrast ratio claims, I think your best bet is to ignore them completely. There's no standard for how contrast ratio is measured and often the contrast, black level and grayscale have all been manipulated to ensure maximum light levels. While peak light level is important, black level is much more important. Cranking up peak light level to compensate for mediocre black levels is not unusual, particularly for LCD display manufacturers.

Doug,

Vizio does make plasma telelvisions, but in this case for Winston it would be a LCD. :) Otherwise, I agree with you as usual.

Scott

Scott,

Right you are -- I must have had Vizio plasmas on my mind, as I had a client inquiry about one that I was following up yesterday.

One other thing I should have mentioned about LCD panels -- a relatively simple way to improve the appearance of LCD black levels is backlighting, such as that provided by Ideal-Lume. Very nice product at a reasonable price:

http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?storename=cinemaquestincn&DeptID=70357&ItemID=674596&detail=1

You simply don't get it. This is about allowing consumers choice, and preventing the NFL from fleecing consumers.

The NFL owns the rights to its own games. Why shouldn't it have the right to sell the broadcasting rights to those games to whomever it chooses. That's the market. Obviously, enough people subscribe to DirectTV (including myself), to make it worthwhile to both DirecTV and the NFL.

Extrapolating your argument, every single channel on the planet should have the "right" to broadcast NFL games. A free market doesn't work like that. Senator Specter says that he wants NFL Ticket--he should get a DirectTV dish too then. I'm sure he can afford it.

How is there a choice when the NFL won't accept bids from Comcast for Sunday Ticket? How is their a choice when the NFL wants to strong arm cable companies into carry their network and forcing all consumers to pay for it whether they want it or not. There is no choice here at all.

I guess I don't see the argument.

NFL, NBA, and NASCAR all have exclusive deals with Sirius Satellite Radio.

MLB has an exclusive deal with XM.

INHD is only available to Cable subscribers. There are all kinds of exclusive deals.

Heck, when DirecTV first came on the scene, RCA had an exclusive deal to provide
the STB to the first million customers, unfortunately for them they under valued
the benefit of Satellite TV because that million came and went rather quickly.

The problem with the NFL is really just the NFL network. They want the cable co's
to provide their channel to everyone, when the cable co's want to tier it. That is
the real argument here, the carriage agreement. I understand the cable co's
wanting to tier it, because then they pay less which makes sense to me, but to
try to create this entire argument of Sunday Ticket exclusivity to DirecTV is quite lame.

speaking of NFL I get to see this in HD today.
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/7832/2005903444245641380_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005903444245641380)

Directv, HDTV, NFL and the Chargers all rock! I love Sundays.

Scott

The NFL owns the rights to its own games. Why shouldn't it have the right to sell the broadcasting rights to those games to whomever it chooses. That's the market. Obviously, enough people subscribe to DirectTV (including myself), to make it worthwhile to both DirecTV and the NFL.

Extrapolating your argument, every single channel on the planet should have the "right" to broadcast NFL games. A free market doesn't work like that. Senator Specter says that he wants NFL Ticket--he should get a DirectTV dish too then. I'm sure he can afford it.

You don't understand the arguments, and your extrapolation makes no sense.

I guess I don't see the argument.

NFL, NBA, and NASCAR all have exclusive deals with Sirius Satellite Radio.

MLB has an exclusive deal with XM.

INHD is only available to Cable subscribers. There are all kinds of exclusive deals.

Heck, when DirecTV first came on the scene, RCA had an exclusive deal to provide
the STB to the first million customers, unfortunately for them they under valued
the benefit of Satellite TV because that million came and went rather quickly.

The problem with the NFL is really just the NFL network. They want the cable co's
to provide their channel to everyone, when the cable co's want to tier it. That is
the real argument here, the carriage agreement. I understand the cable co's
wanting to tier it, because then they pay less which makes sense to me, but to
try to create this entire argument of Sunday Ticket exclusivity to DirecTV is quite lame.

You are correct the real arguement is related to the NFL Network. The NFL is attempting to increase profits at the consumers expense by the use of this network. They have been given exemptions to anti-trust laws years ago because it was believed they would act in consumers best interests - but this is being rethought now with their behavior related to the NFL Network. I think the Sunday Ticket thing has just been thrown in because once you start running out of bounds, everything you do becomes a question.

Jim,
I'm curious about the functionality of this. Have you actually tried it yourself? Or is this just a post of someone else's findings that you haven't actually tested?

I'd really like to know how/if it works, before I do all the installs. I'd have asked the OP, but I'm not a member of that forum, and I prefer the creditability of this forums member's when dealing with TV-type topics. TIA. :)

For reference, here's the original SlickDeals member's post:
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=390326

POSTED by Tripp:
"NFL Fans - Watch any NFL Network Game on your PC
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since I don't have the NFL Network, I started searching for live feeds.

Well, I stumbled upon this site: http://www.streamednfl.blogspot.com/

Which has many links to the games. (I haven't tried the TVAnts yet, since SopCast Worked so well).

In order to watch them, you must download a program called SopCast, which can be found here:http://www.sopcast.org/

Once installed, click on the SopCast link for tonights game (Browns at Pitt).(Browns at Pitt)

I logged in anonymously and I am watching the pregame right now. The game starts in at about 8:00 pm tonight (eastern time).

Hope this helps some peeps out. I know it did for me

Later - tripp"


Good catch Ken.

You simply don't get it. This is about allowing people to post, and not fleecing other poster's posts.

Sorry I have been absent lately. Mother in law just had 5 bypasses yesterday morning. Doing well, but any prayers are appreciated.

Guys,

I have tried reviewing past posts to check this out but with 590+ pages its is kind of tough!

I have had a Samsung lnr 408d (40 inch LCD) for about a year and constantly have lip sync and sort of stuttering images on ABC ota. I think it is only on prime time network stuff, but not sure, as I do not watch it much besides a few shows and sports. Usually when something is on ABC I just watch on standard def Directv, choosing lousy picture to avoid the annoying problem.

My quiestion is if this is "normal", a problem with the local HD broadcast, or something with my particular tv/antenna? The other channels come in well in HD, have no sound issues, and look great too thanks to Doug's calibration.

I appreciate any input and advice on a solution.

Guys,

I have tried reviewing past posts to check this out but with 590+ pages its is kind of tough!

I have had a Samsung lnr 408d (40 inch LCD) for about a year and constantly have lip sync and sort of stuttering images on ABC ota. I think it is only on prime time network stuff, but not sure, as I do not watch it much besides a few shows and sports. Usually when something is on ABC I just watch on standard def Directv, choosing lousy picture to avoid the annoying problem.

My quiestion is if this is "normal", a problem with the local HD broadcast, or something with my particular tv/antenna? The other channels come in well in HD, have no sound issues, and look great too thanks to Doug's calibration.

I appreciate any input and advice on a solution.

WRACER will need to address this for you. Provide him as much information as possible. If the TV is the ATSC Tuner you are using, that could be enough.

You don't understand the arguments, and your extrapolation makes no sense.

Actually, I do understand the arguments. Regarding the NFL Ticket package, the cable companies and Dish Network simply want a piece of the pie. I think people need to remember that there is a significant proportion of television viewers in the US who do not have cable OR satellite. They only receive broadcast signals. Why can't these people have access to NFL Ticket? Why can't they see out-of-market games? What's so special about cable subscribers and Dish subscribers that they should have access to this particular package. If it's a question of choice, all TV should be free to everyone.

It is NOT a question of choice. It's a question of Dish and Cable being shut out of the NFL ticket game, and not being happy about it. That's what a free market economy is all about, and that's the way it should be in the United States of America. Perhaps Senator Specter should remember that.

deuces,

I'm so sorry to hear about your mother's condition and hope that she has a complete recovery.

Hope you're doing OK, too.

A free market doesn't mean everything should be free. Nor does it mean every outlet should have the rights to carry every product.

Look at the Martha Stewart line of stuff in (I think) KMart. Just because every town doesn't have a KMart doesn't mean Walmart (or Woolworths or whatever) should have access to that line of merch -- exclusive deals are nothing new.

My whole issue (well actually I probably dont care that much, but what I don't understand) is sports as a consumer product. I watch my home town teams and that's about it, except for playoff times -- if I put on some random football game most sundays, I end up asleep on the couch, hehe.

I'll watch the rest of this discussion with my bowl of popcorn.

rkg,

It's nice to see you here on the Forum -- it's good to hear that your TV is still looking great.

As wmschultz indicated, the chief engineer at KDNL monitors our discussions regularly, so you should probably see him pop in shortly to ask for more info or give you an idea of what the problem might be.

This issue sounds familiar and I think it (or something similar) has been discussed here in the past, but I'm foggy on the details because it never directly hit me. To get some background on this, go to the top of any page of this thread and click the "Search This Thread" link and enter "KDNL +stutter" (w/o the quote marks). I didn't read through all the hit that search turned up, but maybe something in there helps you in the meantime.

deuces,

I'm so sorry to hear about your mother's condition and hope that she has a complete recovery.

Hope you're doing OK, too.


Thanks for the thoughts. It is my Mother In Law, but she is doing quite well so far. I appreciate it Doug. I told Ken now I just need to find someone to "clean out" my DVR since I am out of town lol.

A free market doesn't mean everything should be free. Nor does it mean every outlet should have the rights to carry every product.

Look at the Martha Stewart line of stuff in (I think) KMart. Just because every town doesn't have a KMart doesn't mean Walmart (or Woolworths or whatever) should have access to that line of merch -- exclusive deals are nothing new.

My whole issue (well actually I probably dont care that much, but what I don't understand) is sports as a consumer product. I watch my home town teams and that's about it, except for playoff times -- if I put on some random football game most sundays, I end up asleep on the couch, hehe.

I'll watch the rest of this discussion with my bowl of popcorn.

Since you only watch your home teams, which is what most people do....and your home team is usually broadcast for free in your area would you be happy if your cable company (you may not have cable but lets assume you do for a moment) was forced to carry the NFL network as part of the basic tier and increased your monthly fee due to the cost of this programming? or do you think it should be part of a sports tier and paid for by those to want the programming?? This is what the argument against the NFL basically boils down to.

Since you only watch your home teams, which is what most people do....and your home team is usually broadcast for free in your area would you be happy if your cable company (you may not have cable but lets assume you do for a moment) was forced to carry the NFL network as part of the basic tier and increased your monthly fee due to the cost of this programming? or do you think it should be part of a sports tier and paid for by those to want the programming?? This is what the argument against the NFL basically boils down to.


Then why is ESPN included in my basic tier? How do they know if I like sports? I may only like the BBC, but I have to pay for all the others. This is turning into the old a la carte vs. packaged or tiered programming. It has been rehashed several times. It simply comes down to the fact that if the NFL or anyone else has a channel that enough people are clamoring for, then carriers will have to decide to add it or deal with the backlash from not adding it. It is what our entire economy is based on. If I run a business and it costs me extra money to have a certain product in my store, but I have to charge everyone more because it costs more (ie, because I need a bigger building with more floor space, or whatever), then I have to decide if it is worth it to charge my customers more in order to make that product available. Or I have to decide not to carry that product and lose out on the business I would have gained by having it. For goodness sake our country was founded partially (if not largely) on the principle.

It is the same reason some of us are unhappy there is not more HD, WE haven't convinced enough of our friends to push for it yet. But that is why we all come here.

I have sat back and watched these debates, but something is causing me to finally pipe in. Maybe it is sitting in this darn hospital bored to death. (It might have something to do with Scott's Chargers trouncing the Broncos, for what it's worth I hope my Cowboys get to meet you in the SB, even though I very strongly dislike TO).

Then why is ESPN included in my basic tier? How do they know if I like sports? I may only like the BBC, but I have to pay for all the others. This is turning into the old a la carte vs. packaged or tiered programming. It has been rehashed several times. It simply comes down to the fact that if the NFL or anyone else has a channel that enough people are clamoring for, then carriers will have to decide to add it or deal with the backlash from not adding it. It is what our entire economy is based on. If I run a business and it costs me extra money to have a certain product in my store, but I have to charge everyone more because it costs more (ie, because I need a bigger building with more floor space, or whatever), then I have to decide if it is worth it to charge my customers more in order to make that product available. Or I have to decide not to carry that product and lose out on the business I would have gained by having it. For goodness sake our country was founded partially (if not largely) on the principle.

It is the same reason some of us are unhappy there is not more HD, WE haven't convinced enough of our friends to push for it yet. But that is why we all come here.

I have sat back and watched these debates, but something is causing me to finally pipe in. Maybe it is sitting in this darn hospital bored to death. (It might have something to do with Scott's Chargers trouncing the Broncos, for what it's worth I hope my Cowboys get to meet you in the SB, even though I very strongly dislike TO).

ESPN carries all sports, which is more likely to attract more viewers than the NFL network which only carries football coverage.

Doug,

Have you ever ran across one of these Olevia TVs in your experience? I'm looking for a bedroom TV and this sounds good.

Olevia 232V (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-2-Series-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#tabs)


You may want to look at this 37" (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/682132/)

Then why is ESPN included in my basic tier? How do they know if I like sports? I may only like the BBC, but I have to pay for all the others. This is turning into the old a la carte vs. packaged or tiered programming. It has been rehashed several times. It simply comes down to the fact that if the NFL or anyone else has a channel that enough people are clamoring for, then carriers will have to decide to add it or deal with the backlash from not adding it. It is what our entire economy is based on. If I run a business and it costs me extra money to have a certain product in my store, but I have to charge everyone more because it costs more (ie, because I need a bigger building with more floor space, or whatever), then I have to decide if it is worth it to charge my customers more in order to make that product available. Or I have to decide not to carry that product and lose out on the business I would have gained by having it. For goodness sake our country was founded partially (if not largely) on the principle.

It is the same reason some of us are unhappy there is not more HD, WE haven't convinced enough of our friends to push for it yet. But that is why we all come here.

I have sat back and watched these debates, but something is causing me to finally pipe in. Maybe it is sitting in this darn hospital bored to death. (It might have something to do with Scott's Chargers trouncing the Broncos, for what it's worth I hope my Cowboys get to meet you in the SB, even though I very strongly dislike TO).You have nailed this issue to the wall.

This needs to be decided in the marketplace by businesses and their customers and that's exactly what's happening. Sure, this can be messy in the short term, but it ultimately works out with companies that meet customer desires doing well and those who don't figure it going the way of the buggy whip.

Every time some market loser goes running off to Congress to undo their "unfair" competitive disadvantage, we inch just a little bit closer to becoming like France, without the benefit of any of the good things about France like, well...uh...hmmmm...never mind. ;)

ESPN carries all sports, which is more likely to attract more viewers than the NFL network which only carries football coverage.


I think you are missing the point. The "product" doesn't matter. It is the demand for the product that matters. If enough people want something, then to stay in business, a company needs to provide it. If you don't want that "product" then don't do business with the company that offers it. It doesn't matter if we are talking about pancakes with green beans in them. If enough people decide they like pancakes with green beans in them, then IHOP better offer them or else someone will and IHOP will lose business. ESPN may be more likely to attract more viewers, but that doesn't matter as long as NFL Network (or any other network for that matter, which is the entire point) can attract enough viewers. This is the whole purpose of using "widgets" in business classes. "Widgets" don't evoke emotions, or even become associated in a student's mind with anything at all. But everyone can understand if there is a demand for "widgets" someone will supply them in a way they can make a profit.

The big question is, when you make pancakes with green beans do you add the little bits of bacon and onion that usually are in the green beans or not?

Every time some market loser goes running off to Congress to undo their "unfair" competitive disadvantage, we inch just a little bit closer to becoming like France, without the benefit of any of the good things about France like, well...uh...hmmmm...never mind. ;)


TOPLESS BEACHES! I knew there had to be at least one good thing. Eww, hairy armpitted women, I guess you have to take the bad with the good!

For those of you who watched the Chargers clinch on 4.1 today, there were tons of video glitches. It was not a KMOV thing as the same glitches were on D*'s Sunday Ticket broadcast channel of the game. Go Boltz!

Scott

For those of you who watched the Chargers clinch on 4.1 today, there were tons of video glitches. It was not a KMOV thing as the same glitches were on D*'s Sunday Ticket broadcast channel of the game. Go Boltz!

Scott

Are the Chargers that team in San Diego? :D

Are the Chargers that team in San Diego? :D

Nah, the Chargers are a hockey team.

I think you are missing the point. The "product" doesn't matter. It is the demand for the product that matters. If enough people want something, then to stay in business, a company needs to provide it. If you don't want that "product" then don't do business with the company that offers it. It doesn't matter if we are talking about pancakes with green beans in them. If enough people decide they like pancakes with green beans in them, then IHOP better offer them or else someone will and IHOP will lose business. ESPN may be more likely to attract more viewers, but that doesn't matter as long as NFL Network (or any other network for that matter, which is the entire point) can attract enough viewers. This is the whole purpose of using "widgets" in business classes. "Widgets" don't evoke emotions, or even become associated in a student's mind with anything at all. But everyone can understand if there is a demand for "widgets" someone will supply them in a way they can make a profit.

The big question is, when you make pancakes with green beans do you add the little bits of bacon and onion that usually are in the green beans or not?

Well, I guess the market will decide if enough people want the NFL network to force cable companies to make everyone pay for it but I doubt the demand for it will be there.

Nah, the Chargers are a hockey team.
We could use a hockey team in St. Louis. :eek:

We could use a hockey team in St. Louis. :eek:

We could also use a football team in St. Louis. :p

Scott

I'm thinking 2002 was the first year, of the first 5-year agreement between D* and the NFL....yes..no?


"Pancakes and Green Beans?? Someone may be sleep deprived!
Hope it's going well :)

We could also use a football team in St. Louis. :p

Scott
For that 48 seconds, the Chargers reminded me of the Rams :D
Congrats on your clinch!

We could also use a football team in St. Louis. :p

Scott

I hated it when the Rams left.

I hated it when the Rams left.
Suppressing deep feelings is not healthy, Joe.
1999 is a long time ago, you should have gotten over it by now :eek:

Suppressing deep feelings is not healthy, Joe.
1999 is a long time ago, you should have gotten over it by now :eek:

When it comes to the Rams, I'll be willing to settle for 2001!

Doug,

Have you ever ran across one of these Olevia TVs in your experience? I'm looking for a bedroom TV and this sounds good.

Olevia 232V (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVIA-32-2-Series-LCD-HDTV-232V/sem/rpsm/oid/163702/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#tabs)


I looked at this set today. Not bad for the price. I have two smaller 20inch lcd poloroids in the house and they have been trouble free so far. I am trying to talk my wife in to this one for the bedroom.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Polaroid-32-rdquo-LCD-HDTV-FLM-3232/sem/rpsm/oid/143563/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I hated it when the Rams left.Yeah, but we still have the Lambs.

HI All, I have a several years old SONY HDTV that does not have an HDTV tuner to pick up OTA signals. What is the market like out there to pick one up and what do I look for?
Thanks,
pwsher

PWSHER,

I haven't priced new OTA tuners recently, but I would expect that you can find something between $150 and $250.

eBay and a used OTA or DirecTV tuner is also a possiblity. Here's some more details on that in a previous post here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8987229&&#post8987229

We could also use a football team in St. Louis. :p

Scott

At least we got a baseball team!! :D

I've added a number of new items to my HT over the last two weeks.
I started with adding a new SATA drive to my HTPC. Replaced the ATA system drive and my HTPC is now whisper quiet.

Then I stumbled onto an open box HD-A1 for $300, so I decided to pick it up. I hooked it up to my Yamaha RX-v2400 using analog. Watched King Kong and Superman (TrueHD). Both looked great on my AE700 and the sound was incredible. OF course, I couldn't deal with the HD-A1 remote so...

I added a Harmony 688 to control my HT gear. Although the buttons are a little small I am now able to control every piece of equiment I have from one remote. I still prefer the form of my Dish 622 for everyday DVR stuff, but the Harmony can handle all the functions.

Of course, now I want to upgrade to an HDMI receiver to fully utilize the advanced audio in my 7.1 setup (I'm looking at a Yamaha 1600/1700, hope to get it locally). Then I'll need to find a good home for my RX-V2400.

And to top things off... I expect to have a PS3 in then next 2 weeks.

Dave

At least we got a baseball team!! :D

Awe man, why you gotta bring baseball into this? We are talkin' football. ;)

Scott

I read through some of the thread but it's a long one :) so I didn't find my answer.

I am new to OTA HD TV but I bought an antenna last week and installed it this past Saturday. I got the antenna from Radio Shack. This one
Radio Shack Antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=family&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=summary&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&productId=2348191&support=support&tab=custRatings)
I kinda wish I had gotten the channel master off the internet but I could still do that if it's recommended.

I have it installed in the attic and the power is injected before I split it off to 2 TV's. I am getting above a 95% signal on all the main channels. I saw it was 98 on NBC last night.

The problem I have is on NBC and CBS I have blurring with fast action. I could see it during football yesterday and last night. But then I watched the game on Fox yesterday afternoon and could not see the blurring effect. I am just trying to figure out if it's something I have done or if it's something with the broadcast of those 2 channels. I am good at troubleshooting but I need somewhere to start if it's with my equipment.

I live in Bethalto, 62010. I think about 30 miles from the towers. One reason I went with the radio shack antenna was that I wanted to try it out and also I knew it would fit in my attic.

I read through some of the thread but it's a long one :) so I didn't find my answer.

I am new to OTA HD TV but I bought an antenna last week and installed it this past Saturday. I got the antenna from Radio Shack. This one
Radio Shack Antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=family&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=summary&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&productId=2348191&support=support&tab=custRatings)
I kinda wish I had gotten the channel master off the internet but I could still do that if it's recommended.

I have it installed in the attic and the power is injected before I split it off to 2 TV's. I am getting above a 95% signal on all the main channels. I saw it was 98 on NBC last night.

The problem I have is on NBC and CBS I have blurring with fast action. I could see it during football yesterday and last night. But then I watched the game on Fox yesterday afternoon and could not see the blurring effect. I am just trying to figure out if it's something I have done or if it's something with the broadcast of those 2 channels. I am good at troubleshooting but I need somewhere to start if it's with my equipment.

I live in Bethalto, 62010. I think about 30 miles from the towers. One reason I went with the radio shack antenna was that I wanted to try it out and also I knew it would fit in my attic.

Doubtful its the antenna -- all it does is receive signal, and with digital stations that will be all or nothing.

One of the HD games I was watching yesterday via cable looked pretty awful in places, so its my bet it was the broadcast.

The problem I have is on NBC and CBS I have blurring with fast action. I could see it during football yesterday and last night. But then I watched the game on Fox yesterday afternoon and could not see the blurring effect. I am just trying to figure out if it's something I have done or if it's something with the broadcast of those 2 channels. I am good at troubleshooting but I need somewhere to start if it's with my equipment.

I live in Bethalto, 62010. I think about 30 miles from the towers. One reason I went with the radio shack antenna was that I wanted to try it out and also I knew it would fit in my attic.

It could be that NBC+CBS=1080i and Fox=720p or, if you have a digital display, it could be that the reaction time of your display is too slow.

Walt

I read through some of the thread but it's a long one :) so I didn't find my answer.

I am new to OTA HD TV but I bought an antenna last week and installed it this past Saturday. I got the antenna from Radio Shack. This one
Radio Shack Antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=family&summary=summary&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=summary&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&custRatings=custRatings&features=features&accessories=accessories&productId=2348191&support=support&tab=custRatings)
I kinda wish I had gotten the channel master off the internet but I could still do that if it's recommended.

I have it installed in the attic and the power is injected before I split it off to 2 TV's. I am getting above a 95% signal on all the main channels. I saw it was 98 on NBC last night.

The problem I have is on NBC and CBS I have blurring with fast action. I could see it during football yesterday and last night. But then I watched the game on Fox yesterday afternoon and could not see the blurring effect. I am just trying to figure out if it's something I have done or if it's something with the broadcast of those 2 channels. I am good at troubleshooting but I need somewhere to start if it's with my equipment.

I live in Bethalto, 62010. I think about 30 miles from the towers. One reason I went with the radio shack antenna was that I wanted to try it out and also I knew it would fit in my attic.

You say you are new to OTA HD, how have you been receiving your HD programming?

Have you gotten your HD locals via cable or SAT previously so you can compare
to that?

It sounds like you are talking about the effects of multicasting. But if you have
gotten your HD Locals via Sat or Cable, you should have seen this before.

MPDamon,

It sounds like what you're experiencing is a picture quality issue, not a reception issue.

If I'm reading what you wrote correctly, you get KMOV and KSDK fine, but you are seeing motion artifacts during sports action. Without seeing exactly what you're referring to, I would attribute this to the multicasting, which takes the total station bandwidth and subdivides it for multiple streams. When this is done, the HD program stream has fewer bits to work with. That may be fine for relatively static images, but whenever there is significant motion, the missing bits will result in either pixellation and/or softening or smearing.

KSDK has been doing multicasting now for around a year (WeatherPlus on 5-2), and ever since that began, its picture quality has seriously deteriorated. KMOV was using multicasting during its recent local elections coverage, but as far as I know, while the subchannel is still there (4-2), nothing is being broadcast on 4-2. I'm not exactly sure how this works, but it could be that 4-2 was given a fixed amount a bandwidth during the election period and that bandwidth has not been relinquished.

The other thing I'm still trying to figure out is which local digital station is providing bandwidth for the MovieBeam service. MovieBeam has supposedly signed a national deal to get this bandwidth from local PBS stations, but with KETC already sending out an HD channel and three subchannels, it's hard to imagine they have the bandwidth that MB would require.

Because KMOV-DT's picture quality hasn't returned to its former HD glory, I have to wonder if KMOV is leasing some of its bits to Disney/MB.

I've added a number of new items to my HT over the last two weeks.
I started with adding a new SATA drive to my HTPC. Replaced the ATA system drive and my HTPC is now whisper quiet.

Then I stumbled onto an open box HD-A1 for $300, so I decided to pick it up. I hooked it up to my Yamaha RX-v2400 using analog. Watched King Kong and Superman (TrueHD). Both looked great on my AE700 and the sound was incredible. OF course, I couldn't deal with the HD-A1 remote so...

I added a Harmony 688 to control my HT gear. Although the buttons are a little small I am now able to control every piece of equiment I have from one remote. I still prefer the form of my Dish 622 for everyday DVR stuff, but the Harmony can handle all the functions.

Of course, now I want to upgrade to an HDMI receiver to fully utilize the advanced audio in my 7.1 setup (I'm looking at a Yamaha 1600/1700, hope to get it locally). Then I'll need to find a good home for my RX-V2400.

And to top things off... I expect to have a PS3 in then next 2 weeks.

Dave

Dave, you're a sick, sick man. If you don't get help soon, the prognosis is not good. :)

It could be that NBC+CBS=1080i and Fox=720p or, if you have a digital display, it could be that the reaction time of your display is too slow.

Well I made sure that is was 8ms before I bought it as people suggested. I don't see this effect when gaming or watching a DVD or Blu-Ray. I thought of the 720P compared to the "i" but i can't imagine it's that much to notice. It's almost like the pixels get blocky and jagged.



You say you are new to OTA HD, how have you been receiving your HD programming?

Have you gotten your HD locals via cable or SAT previously so you can compare
to that?

It sounds like you are talking about the effects of multicasting. But if you have
gotten your HD Locals via Sat or Cable, you should have seen this before.

the only other signal I have is analog cable. This is the first of any HD programming I have had. Sorry, I should have specified that. I have heard about the multicasting and that may make sense since Fox doesn't have multiple channels and CBS and NBC does. Even though CBS 4-2 is blank for me.


If I'm reading what you wrote correctly, you get KMOV and KSDK fine, but you are seeing motion artifacts during sports action. Without seeing exactly what you're referring to, I would attribute this to the multicasting, which takes the total station bandwidth and subdivides it for multiple streams. When this is done, the HD program stream has fewer bits to work with. That may be fine for relatively static images, but whenever there is significant motion, the missing bits will result in either pixellation and/or softening or smearing.

I think you said what i have been looking for. Pixellation is the right word. It's just like it get jaggy for the time that the fast motion happens.

Great info guys. Always a joy to post a question here as there are many knowledgeable people here.

MPDamon,

In my experience, when pixellation does occur it is more easily detectable on LCD screens (especially as the screens get larger). The explanation for this is that the space between LCD pixels is larger than it is for other digital technologies (DLP, plasma LCoS). As a result, when pixellation does occur, the effect is more pronounced on LCD screens.

With larger LCDs, even with good quality signals, the "screen door effect" of the pixel spacing is fairly easy to see whenever the camera pans side-to-side or up-down.

Dave, you're a sick, sick man. If you don't get help soon, the prognosis is not good. :)
YOU Didn't!! ;)

YOU Didn't!! ;)

That's right, and I'm terminal now. The outlook is better if you get help early.

That's right, and I'm terminal now. The outlook is better if you get help early.

This is audio-videoholics anonymous isn't it?

The other thing I'm still trying to figure out is which local digital station is providing bandwidth for the MovieBeam service. MovieBeam has supposedly signed a national deal to get this bandwidth from local PBS stations, but with KETC already sending out an HD channel and three subchannels, it's hard to imagine they have the bandwidth that MB would require.


I found this regarding KETC:

4. Ancillary/Supplementary Services Provided. Briefly describe below the service provided; whether a fee was charged for the provision of such service; and, if so, the amount of gross revenues received therefrom and the amount of DTV bitstream used to provide such service.

[Services Provided]

Description of Service
PBS NATIONAL DATACAST (NDI) - GEMSTAR DTV

Feeable (Y/N)
yes

Gross Revenues ($)
$ 6138.00

Bitstream Used
100

From here (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101158694&formid=317&fac_num=62182)


Edit: After thinking about it, this could be guide data. But I did do a search of
all channels and this is the only Ancillary report that had any revenue.

Bad Taste Knows No Geographical Boundaries

The following excerpt is from this week's InfoWorld "Notes from the Field" column.

kdg, time to get your word processing application of choice fired up:
_______________________________________________________

And Music Makes Money, Too: 9/11 is many things: a national tragedy, a wake-up call for America, a turning point in our nation. But for Taiwanese electronics manufacturer BenQ, it’s a way to sell music players to Chinese youth. As noted by Engadget, BenQ’s site features a Chinese homeboy wearing the dogtag-sized MusiQ player in front of the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center.

The ad sports the tagline, “I belive, [sic] music makes hope.”
_______________________________________________________

wmschultz,

Yes, I think that's the fee that KETC gets paid for trasmitting Gemstar TV Guide data locally.

I wasn't aware that TV stations were required to make public this sort of information. Maybe the requirement is only for PBS stations?

I suppose it's possible that Disney/MovieBeam is directly arranging for its bandwidth, but I think it's more likely that someone locally is providing this.

Maybe WRBU? We know for sure that station isn't making much use of the bits they have.

I thought that, too. It isn't there. You could be right, I was looking at this as a challenge.

Anyone that is publicly traded I would imagine they would have to report the income in their
annual report, I looked there, too. The Gemstar stuff was the only thing I found.

Bad Taste Knows No Geographical Boundaries
The following excerpt is from this week's InfoWorld "Notes from the Field" column.
kdg, time to get your word processing application of choice fired up:
And Music Makes Money, Too: 9/11 is many things: a national tragedy, a wake-up call for America, a turning point in our nation. But for Taiwanese electronics manufacturer BenQ, it’s a way to sell music players to Chinese youth. As noted by Engadget, BenQ’s site features a Chinese homeboy wearing the dogtag-sized MusiQ player in front of the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center. The ad sports the tagline, “I belive, [sic] music makes hope.”

Look like they came to their senses on their own

http://www.members.aol.com/kdg454/02.jpg

Wow, I'm still trying to catch up on the last couple weeks of posts... we just moved into our new home, but had a few days of no phone or internet (which is far easier of a "problem" than those of you without power, so I hope you all did okay with that.) Anyway, Premier did our DirecTV Mover's Connection, but the installer needed the guy with the 40-foot ladder to come out (it's a tall roof). Well, he got the dish installed, Jim, the guy with the big ladder, left, and, sure enough, we only had a signal from SAT 101 (no 110 or 119). So they came back out, sans the big ladder, and had to leave. They are due to come out again on Wednesday, so we'll see. Wish me luck. and I missed you guys... glad to be back in the loop of HD in the Lou'.

Dave, you're a sick, sick man. If you don't get help soon, the prognosis is not good. :)

No.. Really.. I'm ok... I just needed a little something to tide me over till 1080P DLP's come down in price a little...:)

Good for BenQ stepping up and getting this addressed.

Not sure of the timelines, but it seems like BenQ dealt with this a lot more proactively than GM...

MPDamon,

In my experience, when pixellation does occur it is more easily detectable on LCD screens (especially as the screens get larger). The explanation for this is that the space between LCD pixels is larger than it is for other digital technologies (DLP, plasma LCoS). As a result, when pixellation does occur, the effect is more pronounced on LCD screens.

With larger LCDs, even with good quality signals, the "screen door effect" of the pixel spacing is fairly easy to see whenever the camera pans side-to-side or up-down.

What are you seeing with 1080p LCDs in the 42" to 46" range? Is pixellation less of an issue with 1080p LCDs?

Good for BenQ stepping up and getting this addressed.

Not sure of the timelines, but it seems like BenQ dealt with this a lot more proactively than GM...
I think GM has a tad bit more invested in their Our America campaign.
Not that is any sort of excuse for exploiting misery, it's sad a foreign company has more sympathy and respect then our own.

What are you seeing with 1080p LCDs in the 42" to 46" range? Is pixellation less of an issue with 1080p LCDs?I don't see any major difference.

The problem with LCD isn't pixellation, but "fill factor," meaning the size of the pixels in relation to the gaps between them. While LCoS panels have around a 90% fill factor, LCDs are generally at 50% to 70%.

Adding more pixels doesn't make the screen door effect go away. Although the pixels on a given size panel get smaller in size and larger in number as resolution increases, the overall effect -- the portion of the screen taken up by gaps between pixels -- remains relatively the same. Another way of putting it -- while smaller pixels mean smaller gaps, more pixels means more gaps.

My point earlier today about pixellation is that pixellation, when it occurs, is more apparent on LCD because the individual pixels making up the image on a LCD-based display stand out because they're easier to see.

FWIW, pixellation is also going to be more obvious the brighter the display, regardless of the technology. This is another reason why brighter isn't always better -- as in all things, it's a matter of finding the right balance among various factors/needs.

The problem with LCD isn't pixellation, but "fill factor," meaning the size of the pixels in relation to the gaps between them. While LCoS panels have around a 90% fill factor, LCDs are generally at 50% to 70%.
Doug,
Is that to say, this fast-movement pixellation that occurs is less prominent, or less noticeable with LCoS panels?

Using the example of a camera following a baseball at high speed, and the backdrop of the fans wearing white, during a sunlit day game...that "waviness" that occurs across the stands....are we referring to the same thing? I also noticed reducing the standard brightness setting, reduces this annoying effect.

Sweet - CW11 is actually broadcasting ESPN-HD's MNF feed. Too bad they weren't able to do the same earlier this fall when they aired ESPN-HD's playoff baseball feed.

Sweet - CW11 is actually broadcasting ESPN-HD's MNF feed. Too bad they weren't able to do the same earlier this fall when they aired ESPN-HD's playoff baseball feed.
Would someone who knows, please explain the logistics behind these times when Channel 11 carries a ESPN production?
Is it a ABC/ESPN, CW, or NFL agreement? Or, combination(s) of?

I'm guessing the reason is to provide the event to viewers who can only receive off-air, and not ESPN. I believe all 3 providers carry ESPN/ESPN-HD.

Than being said, it would seem logical for it to be broadcast on 30-1/KDNL.
CW11 is also airing the analog feed.
tia

It appears E* has found its way around their recent loss of providing all out-of-market distant networks.

I'm not well versed on how this all works, and/or what, if any, impact it will have on the overall industry.

A company called All American Direct, (allamericandirect.com) whose website was just created in March, 2006, and is owned by a company called National Programing Service LLC (NPS), appears to be the one handling the distant networks for white-area households, and for E*. NPS is a C-Band provider.

The website of All American Direct appears to be a retailer for DishNetwork, HughesNet, Toshiba and Sirius. Included on their home page, is a non-branded link to qualify for distant networks.
The link only refers to All American Direct as, "Your Authorized Distant Network Provider."
The link says nothing about E*, though DishNetwork is openly directing its subscribers to the page to qualify for distant networks.

Though not stated, those who qualify would receive their programing through All American Direct/National Programming Services, via DishNetwork.

Is it me, my recorder, or what? CSI Miami looked especially grainy and pixellated tonight...I suppose most weren't watching 'cause the Rams were busy losing, but tonights episode looked pretty rough on Charter...I didn't check OTA.

-Matt

Is it me, my recorder, or what? CSI Miami looked especially grainy and pixellated tonight...I suppose most weren't watching 'cause the Rams were busy losing, but tonights episode looked pretty rough on Charter...I didn't check OTA.

-Matt
I watched most of it tonight, started just as Rams went into halftime. It didn't look any worse than usual to me. I have HTPC with Fusion HDTV tuner and 3.20 drivers. I've always felt that CBS 1080i prime time broadcasts don't have as good a picture as FOX or ABC 720p. Maybe it's the computer, but CBS prime time always is a bit grainy. Letterman on the other hand is real sharp. Could the difference be between conversion from film vs. digital recording, or broadcast compression?

More on DISH Alternative Distant Network Delivery

From today's SkyREPORT newsletter;
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It's been a busy couple of weeks for National Programming Service. What started with the company picking up potentially 800,000 new customers has quickly spun into a couple separate court cases, attacks from broadcasters and NPS management being drug through the mud. Welcome to the world of distant network signals.

The latest turn of events has forced NPS to ask a U.S. District Court in Indianapolis to step in and demand that Decisionmark - the company which, under pressure from broadcasters, is refusing to do business with the company - resume its qualification services for DISH subs who had their distant signals shut down earlier this month. According to court papers, NPS believes broadcasting interests threatened Decisionmark with legal action if the company did not cease providing its services to NPS causing irreparable harm by keeping it from doing business with legal customers.

Decisionmark has said it is trying to maintain a neutral position between the two parties but would not put itself in legal jeopardy with the courts by continuing to work with NPS if, in fact, doing so is a violation of the permanent injunction originally handed down to EchoStar. NPS President Mike Mountford said allegations that EchoStar simply transferred its distant signal business over to NPS in a scheme to defy the court order were ridiculous.

As of now, NPS is only able to sell its distant signals to approximately 260,000 homes out of the 800,000-plus that were affected by the DISH shutdown. Decisionmark services help NPS determine whether a household is qualified for the service because it maintains the database for so-called white-area customers. Without Decisionmark's service, NPS has no way to verify if a customer is eligible for the distant signals, the company said.

NPS is also seeking a declaratory ruling from the Florida U.S. District Court which earlier ruled against EchoStar that the injunction doesn't impact NPS' business with the affected viewers. The company is asking that the court rule NPS officers, directors, agents and representatives are not in contempt of the injunction for attempting to sign disenfranchised DISH subs to its distant signal service.
______________________________________________________

Would someone who knows, please explain the logistics behind these times when Channel 11 carries a ESPN production?
Is it a ABC/ESPN, CW, or NFL agreement? Or, combination(s) of?

I'm guessing the reason is to provide the event to viewers who can only receive off-air, and not ESPN. I believe all 3 providers carry ESPN/ESPN-HD.

Than being said, it would seem logical for it to be broadcast on 30-1/KDNL.
CW11 is also airing the analog feed.
tiaThe production is solely done by ESPN. Under NFL rules, they are required to offer it to local OTA viewers, though I'm not exactly clear on how it's decided which local station will carry it. Because OTA-only households make up something less than 20% of all households nationally, this is not a particularly attractive option for local stations, especially those with major network affiliates.

This doesn't happen with baseball, because baseball has both local and national distribution rights, whereas football is national and this is compounded by the fact that there are only 16 regular season games played.

I assume that the thinking is that because most baseball games are shown locally, there's no serious inconvenience for the handful of Sunday night games each season shown only on ESPN, so there's really no need to facilitate a local OTA outlet.

But I believe that the early round ESPN games the Cards played were also available on local OTA TV, too (though not in HD).

Doug,
Is that to say, this fast-movement pixellation that occurs is less prominent, or less noticeable with LCoS panels?

Using the example of a camera following a baseball at high speed, and the backdrop of the fans wearing white, during a sunlit day game...that "waviness" that occurs across the stands....are we referring to the same thing? I also noticed reducing the standard brightness setting, reduces this annoying effect.The way to think about this is that when there's relatively minor pixellation in an image, it's more likely to be visible on LCD than other display types. Conversely, the threshold for pixellation being visible is higher on LCoS. But if pixellaton is bad enough, it is going to be seen on any type of TV, regardless of the underlying technology.

Pixellation that occurs as a result of multicasting or bit-shaving happens when the individual fields (interlaced) or frames (progressive) can't be fully refreshed rapidly enough to keep up with the image changes that are occurring.

Simplistically speaking, MPEG compression works on the basis of only updating the pixels that have changed from one field or frame to the next. If the image is just a bowl of fruit on a table, there is no movement, so the amount of data required to show the change from one field/frame to the next is minimal. But where there is movement, the parts of the image that changed have to be updated.

(Note: "Full-screen refreshes" are sent every couple of seconds, so that if you are just tuning into a channel with a static image you don't have to wait for a completely different shot to get a complete picture.)

On the other hand, when there are extreme changes from one field/frame to the next, such as following the flight of a Hail Mary pass from one end of the field to the other, a bandwidth-starved feed will have trouble passing the large datastream needed to fully update each field/frame. I assume that when this happens there are algorithms that intercept and interpolate so that a full image is still produced, but with a combination of missing pixels and/or larger-than-normal pixels. This is what we see as pixellation.

Another good example of where pixellation is a problem is in shots where strobe lighting is used, such as live musical acts. This sort of shot is tough even for a full-bandwidth feed to produce intact, but with a bit-starved feed it going to look really bad.

Thank you Doug.

Re: NPS. From a personal experience, I have had distant network service through DISH from both LA and NY for several years. I was qualified via waiver. I do not live in a white-area. FWIW, under the newer arrangements between E* and NPS, I fall into that 600k who no longer qualify.

It should be noted, I never actually saw copies of the approved waivers. DISH applied for them, on my behalf, and then updated my account, once DISH said they were approved. There in may have been the problem. I'd often wondered why so many non-white area households were able to receive distant network feeds via waiver, through DISH.

Well I made sure that is was 8ms before I bought it as people suggested. I don't see this effect when gaming or watching a DVD or Blu-Ray. I thought of the 720P compared to the "i" but i can't imagine it's that much to notice. It's almost like the pixels get blocky and jagged.

I think you said what i have been looking for. Pixellation is the right word. It's just like it get jaggy for the time that the fast motion happens.


I have the same problem that has been puzzling me for a year now during Cardinals games on (SD) FSN-MW. Fast motion (pitcher winding up/batter swinging) produces a blurring/pixellation effect on my plasma. This does not happen via cable analog signals on my other LCD -- only via digital signal on the plasma (CableCard). I can also watch the same scene on FSN HD (Charter 792) and it does not exhibit this problem. Since FSN is not multi-cast, what else could be the cause?

Here's a link to some free tickets to see the first half season's finale of Battlestar Galactica at the Tivoli on Thursday. I don't know if they're doing it on their high def projector, but I hope so. If not, then you can just wait to see it Friday on SciFi.

Free Battlestar Galactica Tickets (http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4)

Don't know if they are still available, but it can't hurt to sign up.

D* HR10-250 owners. It would appear the 6.3b software is out now.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=331201 -- discussion thread

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=72826 -- release notes

I have the same problem that has been puzzling me for a year now during Cardinals games on (SD) FSN-MW. Fast motion (pitcher winding up/batter swinging) produces a blurring/pixellation effect on my plasma. This does not happen via cable analog signals on my other LCD -- only via digital signal on the plasma (CableCard). I can also watch the same scene on FSN HD (Charter 792) and it does not exhibit this problem. Since FSN is not multi-cast, what else could be the cause?This sounds like compression artifacts.

Basically all cable and satellite providers employ variable levels of compression on digital signals in order to deliver more channels, and by and large they subscribe to the proposition that if a little compression is a good thing, a lot of compression is a great thing (and they would be wrong).

This probably explains what you're seeing.

D* HR10-250 owners. It would appear the 6.3b software is out now.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=331201 -- discussion thread

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=72826 -- release notes

That's great news although it seems as if my audio drop outs have greatly diminished over time. Then agian, maybe I've simply been drinking the Koolaid. ;)

Scott

That's great news although it seems as if my audio drop outs have greatly diminished over time. Then agian, maybe I've simply been drinking the Koolaid. ;)

ScottMy dropout problems are just as bad, if not worse. I hope 6.3b is a real fix and that it is applied soon.

This sounds like compression artifacts.

Basically all cable and satellite providers employ variable levels of compression on digital signals in order to deliver more channels, and by and large they subscribe to the proposition that if a little compression is a good thing, a lot of compression is a great thing (and they would be wrong).

This probably explains what you're seeing.

Is it worthwhile to call Customer Service (oh joy) to complain? Can they back down compression on only one channel? FSN is really the only channel I've noticed it on, but that may just be due to the type of programming they run.

Hi All, I am a new poster here and just found this via Google. I have searched and tried to find an answer but could not find anything that could answer my question. I live in Meppen, IL and I am able to receive most HD signals from the St. Louis Market, ( KTVIDT, KMOVDT, KSDKDT 1-2, KPLRDT 1-2, KDNLDT) The one station I really want to get is KETC and I don't seem to get the DT signal. I recieve the Analog just fine but having just bought a Tivo Series 3 I was hoping to pull PBS in DT quality. I have a VHF/UHF Long Range MultiDirectional Antenna and a Radio Shack High Gain Amp. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

KETC has a different transmission tower location than the rest, so you might have to tweak
your antenna pointing. Check out http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see
where the towers are.

Is it worthwhile to call Customer Service (oh joy) to complain? Can they back down compression on only one channel? FSN is really the only channel I've noticed it on, but that may just be due to the type of programming they run.It won't hurt, but I also wouldn't expect it to help.

The real issue with compression is that cable and satellite have traditionally been able to get away with adding ever-increasing amounts of compression to signals, because for a long time the average TV screen size was around 25 inches. As a result, the impact of compression was difficult for most viewers to see.

Compression is now part of the cable/sat business DNA. Even though new displays are getting bigger and much more capable of showing both picture details and flaws, it's not going to be easy to back off the compression throttle. Doing that implies opting for quality over quantity, and no one really believes that consumers are prepared to pay for quality.

KETC has a different transmission tower location than the rest, so you might have to tweak
your antenna pointing. Check out http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see
where the towers are.I sort of doubt that it's an aiming issue -- Meppen is more than 60 miles from the towers, and at that distance directionality between KETC and the other towers is probably inconsequential.

The HDTV Survey indicates that KETC is one of the more difficult stations to receive even locally, so that's probably part of the explanation.

frbill, welcome to the discussion. Do you ever get a signal for KETC, or is it completely unavailable?

The only reason I mentioned it is because if I rotate my antenna a little bit I will lose KTVI but
I pick up KETC.

Wouldn't you know that Battlestar Galactica showing is on Thursday night, while I'm at work...............

Thanks anyway Joe (sigh)................

I replaced the lamp on my projector today and thought you all may want to see the difference a new lamp makes.

Before lamp w/2100 hours on it.
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/6312/2005702839136999282_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005702839136999282)

After lamp w/ zero hours on it.
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/9432/2005732172222424664_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005732172222424664)

Let me know if any questions.

Scott

Wow, that's amazing, Scott.
The lamp thing is pretty incredible also.

A little off topic, but this deals with a Television.

I just purchase a 15" Sanyo LCD TV for our kitchen.

I am going to wall-mount it and fish cable to the basement.

I don't know too much about power sources with these, but the manual says it needs 12V AC/DC connection.

Now it came with the power cord, but it's kind of bulky, like a lap top power coder, with the middle bulky piece.

I was wondering if I can use any 12v power to this tv, so I can fish that down to the basement as well for a clean install.

Will this work, and anyone got an idea of other 12v power plugs? I assume those are pretty poopular.

Here's a link (http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/lcd/downloads/CLT1554%20CLT2054_4697B-%20(ENG).pdf) to the PDF file on the TV if you want to see the cord that I am talking about that came with the TV.

Wolverine5767.

the manual says it needs 12V AC/DC connectionBeware, on page 8 it drops the reference to AC and has only a DC label.
I was wondering if I can use any 12v power to this tv, so I can fish that down to the basement as well for a clean installWhy not cut the cord of the supplied adapter and splice a longer piece of wire into it? That way you wouldn't have to find a matching plug.

Anyone hear the announcement today that American Chopper is moving from Discovery to TLC? I wonder what I'm gonna watch on D HD Theater (or HD DISCO as my Sony calls it) now...I hope they add Mythbusters or Dirty Jobs in HD...otherwise that channel's quickly becomeing useless.

-Matt

Anyone hear the announcement today that American Chopper is moving from Discovery to TLC? I wonder what I'm gonna watch on D HD Theater (or HD DISCO as my Sony calls it) now...I hope they add Mythbusters or Dirty Jobs in HD...otherwise that channel's quickly becomeing useless.Discovery HD Theater is supposed to revamp its HD programming line-up in 2007:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8329613&&#post8329613

I replaced the lamp on my projector today and thought you all may want to see the difference a new lamp makes.

Let me know if any questions.

Scott

Nice. What type of PJ do you have? My AE700 is getting up there in hours.

STL HDTV Survey Results - Part 4: Rating Your HD Pay TV Provider

This fourth summary of the results of the "HDTV in St. Louis" viewer survey focuses on how local viewers rate the main Pay TV services available in the categories of HD programming choice, HD hardware and advanced services, HD customer support and technical support, HD picture quality, HD sound quality and overall HD value offered by each subscription service.

As noted in the original survey question, the point of this section of questions was not to try to determine an objective "best" option for HD services in St. Louis, as that would require costly side-by-side, double-blind tests involving all three services over some reasonable period of time. Obviously, that's not doable, probably even by the companies that have the most at stake in those sort of findings.

Instead, the survey asked each respondent to select the Pay TV service they consider to be their primary subscription service for HD programming and then to answer a series of questions about how satisfied they are with various aspects of the services.

As a result, there's no declared "winner" here -- just the nuts and bolts opinions of viewers who use these services every day. I think that's still potentially valuable, particularly for when someone new to HD comes along here and asks the question, "What do you guys think about XXXXX for HD?"

For at least the next few months, we have a pretty good barometer of customer opinion about each Pay TV provider's HD service.

Of the 142 people who answered the question about whether they subscribed to an HD Pay TV service, 91% replied in the affirmative, with only 9% saying they did not receive HD through one of the subscription TV services.

The actual ranking of Pay TV providers was an optional section, and of those who followed through, just short of 50% said they were Charter Communications customers, 39% were DirecTV subscribers and only 12% were DISH Network viewers.

To start, here's a breakdown on how long survey respondents have been receiving HD programming from each of the three Pay TV providers.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/VideoSavant/16-PayTVHowLongHD.jpg

As expected, DirecTV and DISH had the greatest share of long-term HD subscribers, particularly after discounting the fact that Charter did not offer HD programming 5 years ago. It's likely that some participants didn't fully understand the question, which was focused on HD programming, not overall length of service with your provider.

Although it's not possible to draw concrete conclusions from the data, it appears that Charter is benefitting the most from the increasing number of first-time HDTV buyers looking for HD programming. That makes sense on several levels, as Charter likely has the largest share of overall Pay TV customers in St. Louis and it's the most friction-free way to secure pay TV programming (no dish, no line-of-sight hassles, no antenna, etc.)

Next, onto the ratings:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/VideoSavant/17-RatingYourHDPayTVProvider.jpg

The major finding here is the extremely high ratings that DISH Network customers give the company, pretty much right across the board. From these results, it appears that DISH subscribers as a group don't see any major deficiencies in the HD product, services and support they're receiving.

On the other hand, DirecTV gets hammered pretty hard for its HD picture quality and programming choice, and Charter is walloped on the customer and technical support sides. On the other hand, Charter subscribers are very happy with HD picture quality and DirecTV customers report feeling positively about the support they receive.

As always, I'd be interested any other comments or questions about this portion of the survey results, or any of the previous summaries.

NEXT: Rating Pay TV's HD Channels -- The next summary, probably available around the holiday break, will provide your ratings for each of the HD channels offered by the various services. Also over the holiday break, I'll provide some breakdowns on your favorite shows and channels in the areas of picture quality and sound quality, as well as the HD programming additions you'd most like to have available.

Previous Summaries

Part 1: Survey Respondents Profile (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9075182&&#post9075182)

Part 2: Receiving Local Digital Stations (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9091629&&#post9091629)

Part 3: Digital Multicasting Opinions (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9127512&&#post9127512)

DISCLAIMER: AVS is in no way a party to this survey, apart from being a vehicle to promote the survey's availability and as an avenue to report back results. None of the questions or results should in any way be taken to represent the views or opinions of the management of AVS or its various partners.

Nice. What type of PJ do you have? My AE700 is getting up there in hours.

Sharp XV-Z9000 DLP. It's a first generation projector, but I really have no need to change to a newer one as I love the picture it produces.

Scott

KETC has a different transmission tower location than the rest, so you might have to tweak
your antenna pointing. Check out http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see
where the towers are.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KETC

KETC's digital transmitter has an ERP of only 124 KW, and is 157 feet lower on the tower. Meppen is 60 KM/37 miles from KETC's tower, and is just within the 41 DB countour. If you're down in a hole, and not on one of Calhoun County's ridges, you might have a problem. Channel Master 4228, on a fifty foot tower, with a CM 7777 pre-amp time...

Excerpt:
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"HONG KONG, China (CNN) -- For the future of the television industry, eyes worldwide are watching Asia. The computer and Internet businesses may have sprung from the West, but with Internet Protocol Television (IPTV) it's the East that's leading the way....

...Subscribers can choose channels instantly with a click of the remote control, rather than buying bundled channel packages as most paid TV providers require....

...The technology could turn TV sets into virtual online computers able to send e-mail and texts, download films, or make hotel and airline reservations. IPTV opens the door for most programming and advertisement targeted to niche markets...

...By offering what they call 'three-play' service -- combined home, mobile and television subscriptions -- it reduces the churn of customers going from one (telecom) company to another...

...Telecom companies in the media saturated markets of North America and Europe [will] find it difficult to woo customers away from cable and satellite services. TV subscribers are stubborn in their ways ... if they are satisfied with their current provider, why change?"
==========================================================

Ala Carte would be reason enough for me.
Full Article HERE (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/11/26/iptv/)

Just a quick question I'm hoping someone could answer.

I'm really considering buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60U.

The one thing holding me back is the "glare" issue. I plan on putting the TV in room with a lot of windows.

I currently have an LCD in this room, and have no complaints.

Should I be concerned, not concerned about too much glare?

BTW, what are peoples opinions of the TV itself?

Thanks for your input!

Interesting discussion going on here:

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=426776

It is becoming pretty impassioned lol. I'm glad that never happens here. ;)

Just a quick question I'm hoping someone could answer.

I'm really considering buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60U.

The one thing holding me back is the "glare" issue. I plan on putting the TV in room with a lot of windows.

I currently have an LCD in this room, and have no complaints.

Should I be concerned, not concerned about too much glare?

BTW, what are peoples opinions of the TV itself?

Thanks for your input!

Excellent choice for a plasma. If an LCD looks good, I would think a plasma would look ok too. However, buy it from a local dealer that will allow returns and you have no worries. Live with it for 30 days and return for a full refund if it doesn't work out.

Scott

csluke,

Every manufacturer uses different coatings on flat-panel displays, and sometimes these even vary among different models from the same manufacturer. So, there's no definitive answer to your question. The only way you can answer this question is to actually view the display in a room with strong ambient light and decide if it works for you.

As for my opinion on these TVs, I believe that Panasonic makes the best flat-panels available, though the newest Pioneer plasmas are very, very close (though a fair bit more expensive). You might also want to look at the Panasonic commercial/professional models (Panasonic TH-42PH9UK (http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/flatscreen_spec.cfm?part_id=1375)), which are more adjustable and potentially a better value, depending on your needs. These models come without speakers, a stand or digital (DVI or HDMI) connections, though all of these are available as options. The nice thing about this approach is that if you don't need a stand (if you're wall-mounting) or speakers (if you have a surround system), then you don't pay for something you aren't going to use.

The commercial/professional models are primarily sold online, but they are also available at Costco. I'm sure Robert Simandl could take care of you...

Hi all thanks for the suggestions! Last night I got a little 30$ Philips powered antenna from Circuit City. I bumped up the Gain on it and it with the UHF element with its back to the KETC Transmitter, I received KETC 9-1 - 9-3. Unfortunately it also knocked down my other stations reception. I did a 2 way combiner. I was actually trying to pull in Springfield, IL stations, go figure. This antenna was from inside my house and Signal Strength was around 59. Is there any way I could add a second antenna without causing a signal drop in the other Digital Signals?

Many thanks for all the responses.

P.S.

If I have to get a Channel Master 4228 where can I get one in the St. Louis Area.

Peace,

Fr. Bill

Hi all thanks for the suggestions! Last night I got a little 30$ Philips powered antenna from Circuit City. I bumped up the Gain on it and it with the UHF element with its back to the KETC Transmitter, I received KETC 9-1 - 9-3. Unfortunately it also knocked down my other stations reception. I did a 2 way combiner. I was actually trying to pull in Springfield, IL stations, go figure. This antenna was from inside my house and Signal Strength was around 59. Is there any way I could add a second antenna without causing a signal drop in the other Digital Signals?

Many thanks for all the responses.

P.S.

If I have to get a Channel Master 4228 where can I get one in the St. Louis Area.

Peace,

Fr. Bill

For an antenna:
Skywalker
9390 Veterans Memorial Pkwy
O'Fallon, MO 63366
(800) 844-9555
(314) 272-8025
Fax (314) 272-8214

Their shipping charges are reasonable too.

There is an AVS forum, HDTV Reception Hardware. Do a search for joined antennas. Or Google it.

Edit: Skywalker's prices are really good. I paid $20 for a CM 4221, the little brother of the 4228. They have a lot of gain but are mediocre for directional. Still, the 4228 is a very good antenna.

Bill,
There are not too many places who stock an 8-bay bow-tie on the shelf.
Antennasdirect would have one (DB8), but not a CM.

To add to Charters "great" technical support and customer support woes. I recently moved into a new house in Wentzville. When I sold my house in St. Chuck, I asked charter if I would be able to get the service at my new house. No problem they said. We put my service on "vacation hold" until the new house was built. So now I am in the new house and I have heard every answer from Charter's CS department. Everything from you have service to you will never have service. For two weeks now I have been trying to get someone to come to the house to look in the little green box in my back yard with charter flags all around it. I can't get anybody. So now I have 6 TV's in a newly built house with no picture. Kids are pissed, wife is pissed. Dish will only allow 4 TV's and you have to mount a dish. Plus, the dish guy told me they did not have an install date until after March!!! Subdivision does not allow OTA's on the outside of the house. Everywhere I turn is a brick wall. Guess I will have to take up reading. Maybe there will be some new HD books available :-)

Oh ya, I don't have any internet access or phone service yet either. If it wasn't for unpacking, my wife and I would actually have to talk to each other......

oh ya, is there anything that a person could do with a motorola HD cable box if one were to have one laying around, hypothetically?

Wrong. The subdivision can not ban OTA...Sorry..................

I'll swing by with an extra receiver and a DirecTV dish 4 ya :-)

DirecTV allows well over 4. I have 8 on my account now.

Dish allows over 4, but they told me I had to buy the equipment for about $200 per receiver. You are correct in that they can not ban, but they can put it in the by-laws and throw a fit along with your neighbors throwing a fit about it. I would throw a fit if my neighbors put up a ugly antenna too. Kids have to have the Disney Channel or I hear about it EVERY DAY!

DTV has a crappy HDTV lineup. As bad as Charter, but with charter I can at least run as many analog TV's as I want for free.

What is the latest word on the Dish install dates. A couple months ago everybody was getting bumped back and not getting anything installed. I can't believe the CSR's statement of no dates until after March.

So, antennaweb shows me about about 35-40 miles away from the towers. Putting an antenna in the attic is difficult and cuts down on distance. If I were to go the OTA route, I would have to have both UHF and VHF. Only have one HDTV. Really 2 but the small HDTV does not have a built in tuner. I will just use it for SDTV unless there is some way to utilize a motorola HD-CATV box.

I see Skywalker has a Crossfire 3678. I don't know if I would be able to get that between the rafters.

Just say the word and I will give your wife a dish and receiver for loan.

My bro just got a new DISH installed last week, I think he just called and set it up.

Schreech,
Send an email to Dish Corp, ceo@echostar.com
Tell them you need an install this week, or you're going with cable.
You could also call AHDTS at 800-969-4388. They can take a new order. When they ask what your "technical" issue is, tell them the DISH people are giving you the run-around.

When you neighbors see those 1000+ or AT9 monster dishes, they'll only wish all you put up was an OTA antenna.

Schreech,
When you neighbors see those 1000+ or AT9 monster dishes, they'll only wish all you put up was an OTA antenna.

Yeah that is what I was thinking. Besides, by-laws mean nothing in regards to OTA.

A big 180 inch VHF/UHF combo is butt ugly, but I like my DB8.

Can't I use a DTV HDTV receiver to hook up to a HDTV that does not have an ATSC tuner built in to receive an HD picture?

scheerce,

Just to be completely clear, even if they put the antenna restriction in the by-laws, it is 100% unenforceable. You can completely ignore them and neither the housing association nor your neighbors can do a thing about it.

And until you get your cable issue sorted out, just consider the assorted "fits" another form of free OTA entertainment... ;)

Of course, I agree that antennae are not attractive, and I guess I understand the wrath of the neighborhood angle, but in view of the fact that Charter doesn't offer KDNL, I suspect you wouldn't be the only one with an antenna once it was understood that this particular by-law is null and void.

Anyway, I'm passing this along in the event you may want to consider an outdoor antenna as just an interim solution...

I had a DB-4 but it was only UHF. I will need both for the other SDTV sets.

Can't I use a DTV HDTV receiver to hook up to a HDTV that does not have an ATSC tuner built in to receive an HD picture?Yes -- no subscription required.

Avoid the Hughes E-86 and first-generation Samsung DTV receivers.

I happened to see this on ebay for 24 bucks. Didn't know if it was worth trying or anybody else for that matter.

RCA - DTC-100 HDTV/DTV SAT RECEIVER / ATSC TUNER

I'm with DISH too. I am getting an equipment upgrade to the 622 and 1000+ dish and I got an install date of Dec 20 a week or so ago. I called the number kdg454 listed for you.

I happened to see this on ebay for 24 bucks. Didn't know if it was worth trying or anybody else for that matter.

RCA - DTC-100 HDTV/DTV SAT RECEIVER / ATSC TUNERThis is essentially a first-generation DirecTV HD receiver. I would be concerned about reliability (the sat tuner in mine failed during Year 4 though OTA was fine), and also the OTA tuner is not as sensitive or as capable of rejecting multipath as more current tuners.

Also, be aware that the output on the DTC-100 is RGB, so if you go for this make sure that the auction includes the RGB-to-Component Video transcoder that was bundled with most of these.

Probably worth $24 but not much more...

The auction shows the converter is included. I don't need much. This is just a 20 inch LCD for a bedroom. Nothing special. I don't even care about the HD at that size, but I stumbled across this receiver.

Then, $25 it is... :)

FSNMW is re-airing the WS beginning this Friday.
SD Only :(

CARDINALS 2006 WORLD SERIES REPLAYS ON FSN MIDWEST
Friday, Dec. 15 at 7:00 PM
Game 1 - Cardinals 7, Tigers 2
Saturday, Oct. 21 - Reyes shuts down Detroit; Pujols and Rolen homer

Monday, Dec. 18 at 7:00 PM
Game 3 - Cardinals 5, Tigers 0
Tuesday, Oct. 24 - Carpenter dominates; Edmonds hits key two-run double

Tuesday, Dec. 19 at 7:00 PM
Game 4 - Cardinals 5, Tigers 4
Thursday, Oct. 26 - Eckstein's four hits lead comeback win

Friday, Dec. 22 at 7:00 PM
Game 5 - Cardinals 4, Tigers 2
Friday, Oct. 27 - Cardinals win 10th World Championship, at home; Weaver goes eight strong; Eckstein named Series MVP

Each World Series replay is the original FOX Sports broadcast, with Joe Buck and Tim McCarver calling the action.

Article HERE ( http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6265250)

Scheerce,

Seriously, I have a HD-TIVO you can borrow. It isn't currently active, but I'm sure we could
take care of that. Or you can use it for just OTA.

You have my email. I won't send to yours cuz it is the charter account and I thought you
said it is inactive.

For those of you checking in here, over at DBSforum.com the HR20 forum is all a buzz
because D* is allowing those in the know to upgrade their HR20 to the latest release
candidate which supports OTA and ViiV sharing.

See their website for more details.

WRacer --

Jim, last night's "Daybreak" was not in HD (4x3 with pillar boxes), and I think the same problem carried over to the next program, though I only watched the first few minutes.

Maybe this was a network issue?

I'm really considering buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60U.
The one thing holding me back is the "glare" issue. I plan on putting the TV in room with a lot of windows.

I have this model in my bedroom with a wall of windows on the south side.
The sun cannot hit the screen directly and I have had no glare issues.
I'm also very happy with the TV so far :)

The plasma in my great room gets direct sun at certain times of the day.
It doesn't cause a glare but it definitely washes out the colors where it directly hits the screen.

Good luck,
Token

FSNMW is re-airing the WS beginning this Friday.
SD Only :(

CARDINALS 2006 WORLD SERIES REPLAYS ON FSN MIDWEST
Friday, Dec. 15 at 7:00 PM
Game 1 - Cardinals 7, Tigers 2
Saturday, Oct. 21 - Reyes shuts down Detroit; Pujols and Rolen homer

Monday, Dec. 18 at 7:00 PM
Game 3 - Cardinals 5, Tigers 0
Tuesday, Oct. 24 - Carpenter dominates; Edmonds hits key two-run double

Tuesday, Dec. 19 at 7:00 PM
Game 4 - Cardinals 5, Tigers 4
Thursday, Oct. 26 - Eckstein's four hits lead comeback win

Friday, Dec. 22 at 7:00 PM
Game 5 - Cardinals 4, Tigers 2
Friday, Oct. 27 - Cardinals win 10th World Championship, at home; Weaver goes eight strong; Eckstein named Series MVP

Each World Series replay is the original FOX Sports broadcast, with Joe Buck and Tim McCarver calling the action.

Article HERE ( http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6265250)

They also just released a 7 DVD set with game 7 of the NLCS, all the WS and an extras disk. I haven't checked if the DVDs are 16x9 widescreen.

Interesting discussion going on here:

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=426776

It is becoming pretty impassioned lol. I'm glad that never happens here. ;)

haha.

I'm jimmywhiff...which one are you? :D

haha.

I'm jimmywhiff...which one are you? :D

I did read all 4 pages of the thread, but man, I don't need to join another forum. Good luck with your E* and I'm sure they will provide you with much better service than C* :D

Scott

I'm deuces there as well, maybe deuces22. Scott I know you aren't a Cardinal fan so much, but for Card fans it is a decent forum to visit, because Bernie Miklasz posts there sometimes with some credibility, unlike when the yahoos like me throw something out there.

Can't I use a DTV HDTV receiver to hook up to a HDTV that does not have an ATSC tuner built in to receive an HD picture?

Yes, you'll need some sort of tuner for the TV to work.

My subdivision tried to enforce a "no Sat" association law on me. I called to ask them what I had to do to keep it and they haven't called back. (I've since put up another Dish for two total.)

I believe the law states that you are allowed to have as many dishes as needed to receive the service you pay for as long as each meets the size requirements outlined in the law. (Or something like that.)

Perhaps someone could clarify.

Solar Flare May Disrupt Satellites, Electricity; More Coming?

The following story is from Space.com, via CNN:
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Space weather forecasters revised their predictions for storminess after a major flare erupted on the sun overnight threatening damage to communication systems and power grids while offering up the wonder of Northern Lights.

"We're looking for very strong, severe geomagnetic storming" to begin probably around mid-day Thursday, Joe Kunches, Lead Forecaster at the NOAA Space Environment Center, told SPACE.com this afternoon.

The storm is expected to generate aurora or Northern Lights, as far south as the northern United States Thursday night. Astronauts aboard the international space station are not expected to be put at additional risk, Kunches said.

Radio communications, satellites and power grids could face potential interruptions or damage, however.

Solar flares send radiation to Earth within minutes. Some are also accompanied by coronal mass ejections (CME), clouds of charged particles that arrive in a day or two. This flare unleashed a strong CME that's aimed squarely at Earth.

"It's got all the rights stuff," Kunches said.

However, one crucial component to the storm is unknown: its magnetic orientation. If it lines up a certain way with Earth's magnetic field, then the storm essentially pours into our upper atmosphere. If the alignment is otherwise, the storm can pass by the planet with fewer consequences.

Kunches and his team are advising satellite operators and power grid managers to keep an eye on their systems. In the past, CMEs have knocked out satellites and tripped terrestrial power grids.

Engineers have learned to limit switching at electricity transfer stations, and satellite operators sometimes reduce operations or make back-up plans in case a craft is damaged.

Another aspect of a CME involves protons that get pushed along by the shock wave. Sometimes these protons break through Earth's protective magnetic field and flood the outer reaches of the atmosphere -- where the space station orbits -- with radiation.

The science of it all is a gray area, Kunches said. But the best guess now is that there will only be a slight increase in proton activity. That's good news for the astronauts.

"When the shock goes by, we don't expect significant radiation issues," he said.

The astronauts were ordered to a protective area of the space station as a precaution last night.

Now that sunspot number 930 has flared so significantly -- after several days of being quiet -- the forecast calls for a "reasonable chance" of more major flares in coming days, Kunches said.
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We Interrupt Your Normal AVS Programming...

...for the following St. Louis housekeeping break:

In the past, we used to begin each month of the St. Louis discussion with an entirely new thread and usually that started with a cut/paste of basic resource information that is now buried back on the very first page of this discussion thread.

Because of its location, a lot of that general, introductory information about HDTV and OTA reception is now easily overlooked, especially with the discussion here stretching back more than 3 years and approaching 600 pages.

So, in order to this introductory information more accessible, I post an advisory/reminder note similar to this every couple of weeks. The idea is to make this general resource information more visible and easier to find for more readers.

With HDTV sales increasing every month, we're getting more and more newcomers here, which is a great thing to see. But like most of us when we took home our first HDTV, there's a huge amount to learn beyond where to point the remote and which buttons to push.

Hopefully, you'll find this information of some use...

Tower Maps, Your Satellite/Antenna Rights & Local Station Feedback (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=2995679&&#post2995679)

Using An Antenna to Receive Local HD Stations (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=2995718&&#post2995718)

Common Questions about HDTV (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=2995791&&#post2995791)

HD Programming Available in St. Louis (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8523674&&#post8523674)

Why Isn't KDNL-DT (ABC) Available via Charter? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8072643&&#post8072643)

New! St. Louis Blues in HD Schedule (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8678636&&#post8678636)

2006 Survey Results: HDTV in St. Louis

Part 1: Profile of Survey Respondents (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9075182&&#post9075182)

Part 2: Local Digital Stations (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9091629&&#post9091629)

Part 3: Digital Multicasting (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9127512&&#post9127512)

Part 4: Customer Ratings for Charter, DirecTV & DISH HD Services (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9157953&&#post9157953)

Finally, I want to remind everyone that you can access the St. Louis HDTV discussion here at AVS directly by using the shortcut URL that has been arranged.

The short-form URL also makes it very easy to remember and give the address to anyone you know who's just getting into HDTV.

The shortcut URL is: www.stlhdtv.info

Some may recall me whining about the constant telemarketing calls I received from Charter, even though my phone numbers are listed on the Missouri Do Not Call Registry (DNCR).
I dropped the issue here, when someone pointed out since I was a Charter Pipeline sub, that gave Charter the right to call me for any reason, whenever they chose to.

I pursued this matter with the Missouri Attorney Generals Office, and have since learned the above statement is, in fact, false.

FYI, any telemarketer calling any MO resident is required to, by law, during the first 30 seconds of the conversation, identify themselves, identify the company they are calling on behalf of, and identify the purpose of their call. This applies regardless of whether your phone number(s) is listed on the MO-DNCR.

When your phone number(s) is listed on the MO-DNCR, and you have a particular service/product in place with a company, that company may call you at anytime they choose, only with regard to the product/service you use. They may not call you to propose the sale/use of any additional products/services.

WRacer --

Jim, last night's "Daybreak" was not in HD (4x3 with pillar boxes), and I think the same problem carried over to the next program, though I only watched the first few minutes.

Maybe this was a network issue?

Doug, Thanks for catching...we did not make the switch...new person doing schedule, and it was not clear. Hopefully thats the last time!!!
Jim

Doug, Thanks for catching...we did not make the switch...new person doing schedule, and it was not clear. Hopefully thats the last time!!!
Jim

Another new person eh? Hire me Jim and I won't forget to switch it over. :)

I'm deuces there as well, maybe deuces22. Scott I know you aren't a Cardinal fan so much, but for Card fans it is a decent forum to visit, because Bernie Miklasz posts there sometimes with some credibility, unlike when the yahoos like me throw something out there.

I didn't even know that fourm existed, but I will check it out a bit more thoroughly later. As for the Cardinals, I have become a big fan since I've lived here since '93. Growing up in San Diego made me a natural Padres fan, but truth be told, I really do love the Cardinals. I am looking forward to watching the Cards next year, but right now all I can think about is the Chargers going all the way! :D

Scott

Did anyone else get a chance to see the half season finale of Battlestar Galactica at the Tivoli? I won't post any spoilers, but I'll make a couple of comments about the technical side of the preview.

It was shown on some sort of video projector - I'm guessing DLP but I'm not sure. It was in the main theater, on a large screen. Unfortunately, it was played back from a regular DVD, so no HD goodness for the audience. (I know because I saw the Sony DVD player's background screen come up when the DVD ended.)

The video quality was not good. I'm being very kind. Brightness was turned up all the way to 11. Some people might think that 10 would be good enough, but they had that bad boy cranked to 11. Since it was a DVD blown up to the size of a football field, the picture was not pretty. If HD is as pretty as Halle Berry's cheek, then this show was as pretty as Edward James Olmos' cheek.

If the picture was bad, the sound tried to distract me from that fact by carefully sticking fiery daggers into both my ears. And I got elbows in the temples when people on either side of me assumed the defensive fingers-in-ears position.

Don't get me wrong - I love Battlestar Galactica, and I was glad to see St. Louis be one of only 5 cities in the country to get such a screening. The other 4 were the usual suspects - LA, New York, Chicago and Atlanta. St. Louis almost always gets skipped over. So, I'd love to see this sort of thing again, but next time I hope they do it in HD. If I can manage to burn HD discs and play them on a Toshiba HD DVD player, they ought to be able to figure that out, too.

Anyway, I'll be watching the episode again tomorrow night on my projector. Being at the Tivoli reminded me of the enormous amount of time and money I used to spend in movie theaters. Now, I enjoy the movie experience at home with a big screen that bathes my eyes in kind light and speakers that don't have felonious assault on their mind.

The audience was fun, though. I do miss that part sometimes.

Credit for Miami Defeat of Patriots Goes to HDTV, Dolby Digital?

Now, there's some great high-tech PR! Nice plugs for Comcast and DirecTV, too.

The following story is from today's edition of the TV Predictions newsletter:
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The spy mystery involving the Miami Dolphins' domination of the New England Patriots last Sunday has a new villain -- High-Definition TV.

After Miami won 21-0, two unidentified Dolphins reportedly said the team "bought" recordings that included audio of Patriot quarterback Tom Brady calling signals in previous games. The 6-7 Dolphins supposedly used the enhanced broadcast to determine what Brady would call in their upset of the 9-4 Patriots.

Did high-def unmask Tom Brady's play calls?

High-Definition TV is broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1, which allows the viewer to hear players talking on the field, including the quarterback's calls at the line.

"You can turn on your TV...and hear a snap count," Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, who had six tackles, a sack and a forced fumble in the game, told The Associated Press.

ESPN SportsCenter anchor Dan Patrick echoed that today on his ESPN Radio show.

"You can hear Brady or any quarterback say, 'Omaha,1-2-3,' at the time," Patrick said.

Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel said he wasn't surprised to hear that Dolphins used a HDTV broadcast to "hear things."

"You watch the games on high-def and you can hear certain things," he said.

However, Brady wasn't buying it.

"I would love to see evidence of that," the Patriots quarterback told the wire service three days after he threw for just 78 yards. "They can say that, but I think that is a big crock of you know what."

Dolphin Coach Nick Saban discounted the story that the team "purchased" tapes of Brady and the Patriots. He said they simply used past network broadcasts.

"We didn't buy any tapes," Dolphins' defensive end Vonnie Holliday told The Palm Beach Post. "We bought Comcast. We bought DIRECTV."
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Did anyone else get a chance to see the half season finale of Battlestar Galactica at the Tivoli? I won't post any spoilers, but I'll make a couple of comments about the technical side of the preview.....The audience was fun, though. I do miss that part sometimes.

Joe, agree about the sound/picture -- but some of those shots of ships rolling and descending to the planet were great on the big screen!
But the kick really was watching it with a big room full of fans; I wouldn't have really been keyed in to the humor watching alone (wife is not a fan) under the cone of silence (headphones, wife is studying/writing papers) on a 37" screen.

Had I nice conversation with Charter today.

My current internet pricing is expiring this month, so I call retention and see what I can do. She says since I'm already in a "save" pricing, I have to be out of it and pay full price for 90 days before I can get better pricing. I asked to speak with a supervisor...they will be calling me back.

I also asked about the new family/digital tier and how that will change my pricing. She said if I do nothing, it will go up $5. I said I don't want all the crappy additional channels, just want to keep the nick and noggin channels. She said I have to call back and change it. I said, OK, I'm doing that now, please change it. She said she can't until the 27th, so I must call back.

Here is where it gets intersting....I said instead of adding a bunch of channels that nobody will watch, when will they add some new HD channels. She said it isn't their decision that the FCC decides what HD channels they can add.

Surprising...but not really!

I called Charter today too. I had been previously placed on a "wait list" for a Moxi DVR. I was calling to find out when I could expect to get a Moxi. The rep said that Charter does not expect to have any available until mid January - - - (they didn't say what year - LOL). I said I had seen Moxi's on eBay and if I bought one, could Charter activate it? You would think I was asking for FREE CABLE. The answer was a loud "NO". The rep said that if you could "buy" one that it was obviously stolen.

So here I sit - still recording on a VHS recorder and watching Nikki Cox (Las Vegas) in grainy standard definition.

Oh well - thing could be much worse.

If HD is as pretty as Halle Berry's cheek, then this show was as pretty as Edward James Olmos' cheek.

If the picture was bad, the sound tried to distract me from that fact by carefully sticking fiery daggers into both my ears.Joe hits it out of the park again. Excellent commentary.

BTW, have you gotten your BenQ 1080p projector yet? If so, any initial thoughts?

I know it's easy for me to say, but if I had Charter I'd probably not even bother with the Moxi box and get a Series 3 HD Tivo instead. Granted, the monthly fee would be higher because you'd be paying Tivo in addition to paying Charter, but last I heard there were plenty of CableCards so no waiting.

Bummer to hear about BSG's (lack of) quality at the Tivoli. Still wish I coulda been there anyway.

I actually LOVE the 2 room MOXI. It is perfect for me. I've never used a TIVO before, but I can't see it being better than the 9022.

Did anyone else get a chance to see the half season finale of Battlestar Galactica at the Tivoli? I won't post any spoilers, but I'll make a couple of comments about the technical side of the preview.

It was shown on some sort of video projector - I'm guessing DLP but I'm not sure. It was in the main theater, on a large screen. Unfortunately, it was played back from a regular DVD, so no HD goodness for the audience. (I know because I saw the Sony DVD player's background screen come up when the DVD ended.)

The video quality was not good. I'm being very kind. Brightness was turned up all the way to 11. Some people might think that 10 would be good enough, but they had that bad boy cranked to 11. Since it was a DVD blown up to the size of a football field, the picture was not pretty. If HD is as pretty as Halle Berry's cheek, then this show was as pretty as Edward James Olmos' cheek.

If the picture was bad, the sound tried to distract me from that fact by carefully sticking fiery daggers into both my ears. And I got elbows in the temples when people on either side of me assumed the defensive fingers-in-ears position.

Don't get me wrong - I love Battlestar Galactica, and I was glad to see St. Louis be one of only 5 cities in the country to get such a screening. The other 4 were the usual suspects - LA, New York, Chicago and Atlanta. St. Louis almost always gets skipped over. So, I'd love to see this sort of thing again, but next time I hope they do it in HD. If I can manage to burn HD discs and play them on a Toshiba HD DVD player, they ought to be able to figure that out, too.

Anyway, I'll be watching the episode again tomorrow night on my projector. Being at the Tivoli reminded me of the enormous amount of time and money I used to spend in movie theaters. Now, I enjoy the movie experience at home with a big screen that bathes my eyes in kind light and speakers that don't have felonious assault on their mind.

The audience was fun, though. I do miss that part sometimes.

That will make me feel much better while watching it tonight at home on my PJ using the Std Def D* source.

I asked to speak with a supervisor...they will be calling me back.Have to let us know how that all works out ;)


Here is where it gets interesting....I said instead of adding a bunch of channels that nobody will watch, when will they add some new HD channels. She said it isn't their decision that the FCC decides what HD channels they can add.That IS A Riot! I was drinking coffee when I read it....what a mess :eek:

Joe hits it out of the park again. Excellent commentary.

BTW, have you gotten your BenQ 1080p projector yet? If so, any initial thoughts?

PM coming later tonight.

Multi-Channel News: State-of-Play on Cable and Satellite HD Compression

Excellent article here from Multichannel News about how and why cable and satellite system operators apply compression to high-definition channels.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6400524.html

Interesting nuggets include the fact that ESPN generally has quality guarantees in its carriage agreements (full bandwidth), some additional details on the customer who is suing DirecTV over "HD Lite," and also a new development -- Time Warner Cable is suing DirecTV for claiming DirecTV's HD quality is better than cable.

Highly recommended reading.

Multi-Channel News: State-of-Play on Cable and Satellite HD Compression

Excellent article here from Multichannel News about how and why cable and satellite system operators apply compression to high-definition channels.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6400524.html

Interesting nuggets include the fact that ESPN generally has quality guarantees in its carriage agreements (full bandwidth), some additional details on the customer who is suing DirecTV over "HD Lite," and also a new development -- Time Warner Cable is suing DirecTV for claiming DirecTV's HD quality is better than cable.

Highly recommended reading.
Quite interesting, thanks Doug.

A question, and a comment...

Question--Where the article discusses the 19.3-Mbps carriage agreement generally required by ESPN...or where the D* HD Lite lawsuit is discussed, 6.3-Mbps, how is the final bitrate, actually received by the viewer, measured?
Obviously, the providers know what they have a particular channel compressed to, but how do we know, what they tell the channel and/or the viewer, is correct?
Is there some sort of device that can measure how much a broadcast is compressed?

Comment--It appears as though the DBS folks (E* & D*) have quite the head-start over cable in their conversion to MPEG4. I don't know about D*, but E* current plan calls for full system MPEG4 by the end of 2008, including all sub's STB's.

It would seem to me, the combination of MPEG4 and Selective Viewing offers a far greater range of additional bandwidth.

One a side note, I recently exchanged emails with some PR person at CNN, inquiring when/if HNN would go to HD. The response, FWIW, was by the end of 2007. Nothing to hang-your-hat-on, I know nothing about the person who replied, and for all I know, he may not even be fluent in English.

I found the fact that VOOM did seperate its package, but only if it was carried at a ultra high rate to be very interesting. I think this type of negotiating can only be good for true HD lovers. Whether that leads to anything similar in the future or with other channels or carriers obviously remains to be seen.

Edit: I guess I should have clarified, for those who want true HD over simply more HD.

For a while, HD DirecTivo owners could execute a certain combination of buttons on the remote and voila! The resolution and bitrate of the channel currently being watched would magically appear at the bottom of the screen.

DirecTV removed that feature with a software upgrade shortly after the "HDlite" started hitting the fan.

Multi-Channel News: State-of-Play on Cable and Satellite HD Compression

Excellent article here from Multichannel News about how and why cable and satellite system operators apply compression to high-definition channels.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6400524.html

Interesting nuggets include the fact that ESPN generally has quality guarantees in its carriage agreements (full bandwidth), some additional details on the customer who is suing DirecTV over "HD Lite," and also a new development -- Time Warner Cable is suing DirecTV for claiming DirecTV's HD quality is better than cable.

Highly recommended reading.

Thanks for the link Doug. My only HD is OTA and my personal opinion is that in general, the 720p channels have better pictures and definitely less pixellation and motion artifacts than the 1080i channels. I'm assuming that's because of 12.5% less pixels on 720p and no interlacing.

2,160 x 4,096 - JPEG200 @ 250-Mbits/second

I'm moving in Joe's basement when he buys one ;)

Article HERE (http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/products/194400041)

Wow, the PQ for the Dallas/Atlanta game on DirecTV NFL network is horrible. Is it just my TV or are you guys seeing this too?

Wow, the PQ for the Dallas/Atlanta game on DirecTV NFL network is horrible. Is it just my TV or are you guys seeing this too?
It's fine on DISH.

I have found if you make enough changes with Charter, they will mess your bill up. Sometimes not in your favor, and you have to call to fix.....but usually it will be in your favor, sometimes very much in your favor.... :D

My grandma and grandpa had high-speed for 2 YEARS w/o being charged. Charter noticed when they upgraded to digital cable though.

I said I'd report on the BenQ W10000 1080p DLP projector that I ordered recently.

I don't like it at all.

The resolution is the only good thing this projector has going for it. I should say that there is a possibility that it was damaged in transit, but I think that's unlikely. It's going back next week. My short time with it tells me that the resolution is going to make a big difference when I find something I like. I could see a huge improvement in pans and tilts of things like grass and brick - very solid in good videos I've archived (Rick Steve's Europe before Dish went to 1440x1080i HDLite). Everything else about it sucks - contrast, brightness, color, "pop." Overall, it's like watching video through milk glass.

It is, however, superior to the Tivoli showing of Battlestar Galactica last Thursday. There is that.

DirecTV NFL Network picture was decent but I was only getting MONO sound... center channel only... no fronts, no rears, no sub. WTF?

DirecTV NFL Network picture was decent but I was only getting MONO sound... center channel only... no fronts, no rears, no sub. WTF?
I couldn't tell. I watched it in the bedroom using the TV speakers.

Too bad....the only thing better than watching Parcells sweat, is watching him sweat in HD :D

Wow, the PQ for the Dallas/Atlanta game on DirecTV NFL network is horrible. Is it just my TV or are you guys seeing this too?

What channel? 212 or 95? I watched on 95 and thought it looked pretty good. I have seen better from NFL Network before however.

Scott

DirecTV NFL Network picture was decent but I was only getting MONO sound... center channel only... no fronts, no rears, no sub. WTF?

Wish I could help you, but I had my Wifes family over. Her two brothers used my theater to play Xbox, so I was watching the game in another room without surround sound. Besides, all noticed is how bad Dick Vermiel sounded. In fact, later in the game he was not even there, and it was Marshal Faulk doing the color commentary. OMG get Bryant Gumbel off the air. I like him for his HBO show, but he should not be doing play by play.

Scott

Addendum:

Since I last posted, I watched several hours of material on the BenQ 1080p projector. I went away after posting to do some things and came back to a different image (the pj was on the whole time). It was as though someone had lifted a veil - contrast, brightness, color, "pop" - they were all there. Color was still wrong - not calibrated - but the potential was there. I thought I'd seen a better image last night just before I went to bed, but it was just as bad when I woke up this morning and I attributed my impressions to fatigue and/or ending the night with an especially good video.

Long and short of it - I now think there is something wrong with the projector, something that only time with the lamp on starts to resolve. It's still going back. I've just spent a year and a half with a projector (Optoma H79) that I've had to wrestle with on lamp issues. Don't want to go through that again. Still, I wish I'd had a chance to evaluate a good unit from the start. I might have kept it. And it's the cheapest option out there in 1080p DLPs.

Guys

Just a question about Charter VOIP. I am having it installed on Thursday and was wondering if they need an RG6 or just an RJ45. I know Vonage only needs the ethernet drop but I have been told the Charter's runs on co-ax. Since I will now have 2 HiDef boxes, 2 digital boxes, a 5mps connection and VOIP, do you think I should make them pull another feed to the house? I also have 4 other tuners hooked to the cable.

Thanks in advance

Walt

Guys

Just a question about Charter VOIP. I am having it installed on Thursday and was wondering if they need an RG6 or just an RJ45. I know Vonage only needs the ethernet drop but I have been told the Charter's runs on co-ax. Since I will now have 2 HiDef boxes, 2 digital boxes, a 5mps connection and VOIP, do you think I should make them pull another feed to the house? I also have 4 other tuners hooked to the cable.

Thanks in advance

Walt

I have 3 hidef boxes and 1 digital and 3 Mbps and Charter phone -- all over one cable. I don't believe Charter is like Vonage or VOIP. The only equipment installed for the phone is outside and in my garage connected to the phone lines in my house. There is a UPS battery also but I'm not sure if they still install those.

If you are getting Charter VOIP, which I have not heard about, then forget everything above.

Sorry I just assumed (you know what they say) that it was voice over IP. Maybe they do use the co-ax.

Walt

Sorry I just assumed (you know what they say) that it was voice over IP. Maybe they do use the co-ax.

Walt


In Most areas Charter does use VoIP and this is done with a cable modem type device connected to normal Coax cable. This then gets tied into your house wiring for phone service... Although it does use VoIP, Charter's service compares more to SBC than a Vonage type service because its bandwidth is dedicated for phone use only avoiding any of the sharing a typical Vonage customer uses. Also the VoIP traffic never has to hop on the internet like Vonage and Charter handles the call routing like a normal phone provider would.

As far as your signal concerns, make the tech pull out his meter and have him check the signal at different spots of your house. If anything is suspect make sure he fixes it then so you don't get stuck calling them back out. You may just need an amp on your line but a knowledgeable tech should be able to make that call.

-Phatty

DirecTV Alters Jessica Simpson Ad After Time Warner Suit

So, DirecTV doesn't say its HD picture quality is better than cable, but now implies no one is better. While it's definitely not the way I prefer to see these issues sorted out, it looks like time for another lawsuit on false claims.

End-Game DirecTV HD Tagline: "Our HD Sucks Just a Little Bit" :)

The following excerpt is from today's TV Predictions newsletter:
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DIRECTV has apparently agreed to change a commercial starring Jessica Simpson that said the satcaster offered the best High-Definition TV picture on the market.

Multichannel News reported in this week's edition that the satcaster had agreed to pull the spot. But on Sunday, DIRECTV was still running the Simpson commercial but with a different tagline: "For a HDTV picture that can't be beat."

The new tagline suggests that DIRECTV's high-def picture is as good as any other TV provider, but not necessarily better. The satcaster said in the first Simpson commercial (and an earlier spot featuring Star Trek's William Shatner) that its picture quality "beats cable."

The change was made after cable operator Time Warner sued the satcaster, saying it made a false claim regarding the picture quality. In its lawsuit, Time Warner said it provides "exactly the same screen resolution" as DIRECTV's HDTV picture.
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Sorry I just assumed (you know what they say) that it was voice over IP. Maybe they do use the co-ax.

Walt

Co-ax is just the physical medium layer 1 , others are UTP, fiber etc....it could be bailing twine if you have the means.

The IP in VOIP lives at layer 3.

VOIP lives way up higher, which layer depends on which model your looking at, layer 7 in the OSI model.

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model)

Walt, last summer my power was out for four days. The battery only lasts 8 hours so I had to rely on my cell phone after that. Having to charge my cell phone and using up daytime minutes was inconvenient

Watch your bill. They promised me a free install and then tried to charge me $35 for it on my first bill. They would promise to change it, etc and it would appear again along with additional charges even though the first 6 months was a promotional package. I finally gave up after dealing with them for 6 months. Perhaps billing has improved since July.

Perhaps billing has improved since July.


Thanks for the laugh!

Co-ax is just the physical medium layer 1 , others are UTP, fiber etc....it could be bailing twine if you have the means.

The IP in VOIP lives at layer 3.

VOIP lives way up higher, which layer depends on which model your looking at, layer 7 in the OSI model.

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model)

Oh fun. From bottom-to-top: Please Do Not Throw Away Salami Pizza :)

Thanks for the laugh!

Glad you got it. I thought it was too dry & subtle. ;)

In regards to Charter...does anyone know if you have to have expanded basic cable to have HD service?

It got me thinking, if ordered basic cable from them...the $11 or so deal, not expanded basic...can you then order the HD package on top of that and keep the moxi? Can you add movie channels from basic or only expanded basic?

That would run like $11+$12+$7 before rate hikes and with no movie channels...it seems too economical and practical to work.

In regards to Charter...does anyone know if you have to have expanded basic cable to have HD service?

It got me thinking, if ordered basic cable from them...the $11 or so deal, not expanded basic...can you then order the HD package on top of that and keep the moxi? Can you add movie channels from basic or only expanded basic?

That would run like $11+$12+$7 before rate hikes and with no movie channels...it seems too economical and practical to work.

Not sure if you they would let you do it or not, but based on the rate sheet that I got with my bill in August, the price would be:

Basic (ch's 1-27) - $14.74
DVR Receiver - $6.85
Remote Control - $.11
Integrated Service Fee (i.e. EPG, PPV) - $4.99
HD Tier - $6.99
DVR Service Fee - $11.98

Total - $45.66

There is a statement on the rate sheet that says

Customers are not required to subscribe to any tier of service, other than the basic service tier, in order to purchase premium channels, pay-per-view and video-on-demand.

Not sure if this applies to the HD package as well.

In regards to Charter...does anyone know if you have to have expanded basic cable to have HD service?Yes, you do.

Nice try, though...

Not sure if you they would let you do it or not, but based on the rate sheet that I got with my bill in August, the price would be:

Basic (ch's 1-27) - $14.74
DVR Receiver - $6.85
Remote Control - $.11
Integrated Service Fee (i.e. EPG, PPV) - $4.99
HD Tier - $6.99
DVR Service Fee - $11.98

Total - $45.66

There is a statement on the rate sheet that says



Not sure if this applies to the HD package as well.

I found my answer on Charter's webpage. It says that to have the HD tier you need Charter Digital...and apparently that is different than Charter Basic and Charter Expanded Basic...

I just can't do Charter anymore. Tonight I am calling Dish.

It's just ridiculous...everytime I get some mail or telephone call where they ramble about their value and quality...they raise their rates, can't offer espn2HD, nfl network and abcHD...and then I can get the same thing from Dish plus those channels I want and its $20 cheaper a month...that's a difference of $240 a year.

I don't see Charter being worth $240 more.

The 6.99 is for HDNet, ESPNHD, etc. I don't think there is a charge for local HDs

edit: I should probably delete this before Charter gets any ideas

I found my answer on Charter's webpage. It says that to have the HD tier you need Charter Digital...and apparently that is different than Charter Basic and Charter Expanded Basic...

I just can't do Charter anymore. Tonight I am calling Dish.

It's just ridiculous...everytime I get some mail or telephone call where they ramble about their value and quality...they raise their rates, can't offer espn2HD, nfl network and abcHD...and then I can get the same thing from Dish plus those channels I want and its $20 cheaper a month...that's a difference of $240 a year.

I don't see Charter being worth $240 more.


Once you add a landline and DSL service for internet, its all about equal ;)

I live in Ferguson and use a DB4 antenna.
I'm having trouble getting the PBS station to come in. I think
it may be multipath. Should I buy a tripod which would
raise the antenna about 4 feet or go with a more directional antenna with
a rotor.

In Most areas Charter does use VoIP and this is done with a cable modem type device connected to normal Coax cable. This then gets tied into your house wiring for phone service... Although it does use VoIP, Charter's service compares more to SBC than a Vonage type service because its bandwidth is dedicated for phone use only avoiding any of the sharing a typical Vonage customer uses. Also the VoIP traffic never has to hop on the internet like Vonage and Charter handles the call routing like a normal phone provider would.

As far as your signal concerns, make the tech pull out his meter and have him check the signal at different spots of your house. If anything is suspect make sure he fixes it then so you don't get stuck calling them back out. You may just need an amp on your line but a knowledgeable tech should be able to make that call.

-Phatty

It there is a "cable modem type device" then it is in that box mounted outside next to the old phone company box. I also have a cable modem inside the house. You think the box outside has a MAC address?

I live in Ferguson and use a DB4 antenna.
I'm having trouble getting the PBS station to come in. I think
it may be multipath. Should I buy a tripod which would
raise the antenna about 4 feet or go with a more directional antenna with
a rotor.I think a rotor is a dead-end solution in the age of DVRs, unless you can figure out a way to coordinate your DVR recording schedule with the rotor. If you don't have a DVR currently, maybe this isn't an issue, but it will be sooner or later.

However, if you are getting a signal for KETC but it is fluctuating in strength, there's a good chance your problem is multipath. If so, I would suggest varying the location first, before attempting to go higher. Sometimes just a few feet can make a difference (and sometimes there's no workable solution).

Well...went to my Alton to record from a Moxi. Got the computer all set up but when I went to plug in the firewire cable there was no place to put it. Both of my friend's Moxi BMC9012 boxes had no firewire port. Guess this would be a good reason no one could record from a Moxi. Does anyone have a 6412 or 6416 DVR that I could try recording a recorded program via firewire. This is reallEarly models of the 9012 do not have FireWire ports. Current models do. But, they don't allow copying digital files to computer. They can be used to connect to displays that have FireWire inputs or to Digital VHS recorders.

Just by looking at a few posts, it seems that I am not the only one having trouble w/ KETC lately. It's been MIA since Thursday or Friday.

Circuit City's "firedog" :confused:
Any info?

I believe its there version of the "geek squad"

Has there been any increase in the HD-DVR inventory by Charter. I put my name on a list awhile ago but I'm sure it's been lost by now. Is it even worth calling back?

Brian

I believe its there version of the "geek squad"
I "thought" geek squad was BB's computer service. The CC ad I saw for firedog was for HDTV installations.
Does geek squad do AV also?

Shows how well both BB and CC are doing at marketing their services.

I just can't do Charter anymore. Tonight I am calling Dish....

I don't see Charter being worth $240 more.

If going with Charter saved you $240 per year, satellite would still be the wise choice. You won't regret it.

Scott

Circuit City's "firedog" :confused:
Any info?

It is for installs.

Edit:

From the below link: What is firedogSM?
firedogSM is man's best friend in a converging technological world. We enhance the full potential of our customer's digital lives through helpful, friendly, and reliable service. We have a passion to serve and a determination to get things done.

firedogSM wants to make sure everyone gets the maximum enjoyment from their relationship with home theaters, computers, sound systems and other electronics. We offer installation, optimization, repair and education to help our customers with their digital lives

http://www.firedog.com/

Scott

It is for installs.
Edit:
From the below link: What is firedogSM?
firedogSM is man's best friend in a converging technological world. We enhance the full potential of our customer's digital lives through helpful, friendly, and reliable service. We have a passion to serve and a determination to get things done.
firedogSM wants to make sure everyone gets the maximum enjoyment from their relationship with home theaters, computers, sound systems and other electronics. We offer installation, optimization, repair and education to help our customers with their digital lives
http://www.firedog.com/
Scott
Kinda like firedoug. Someone should tell them we already have that service available ;)

If going with Charter saved you $240 per year, satellite would still be the wise choice. You won't regret it.

Scott
Plus....ESPN2 HD, NFL HD, 30.1 + + +

BTW Scott, 12-2...applause-applause.

Thanks for all the good info. The wife (and I) are pretty upset with Charter's rate hike. At this time of year, with everything going on, we can't see how we could switch without losing some service. We decided to take an offer that came to the house. We ended up getting phone service and an upgrade to 5mps for the same price as it was going to be after the rate hike (upgrade and phone free). I am hoping that AT&T will get here within the year and will either affect Charter's pricing or offer an alternative. If not, then it will be DSL and E*.

I noticed in a letter I received recently that there is some kind of investigation going on in Madison and/or St. Clair counties with regards to Charter's service and pricing. If I can find the letter I will post it to the board.

Walt

BTW Scott, 12-2...applause-applause.

If only Indy had lost to the Bengals last night. That would have secured the Chargers home field throughout. :( I am getting very excited for the upcoming playoffs. :D What an interesting season it has been. Football in HD 4 days a week lately. Even with Bryant Gumble on the mic, I am in heaven.

Scott

Just by looking at a few posts, it seems that I am not the only one having trouble w/ KETC lately. It's been MIA since Thursday or Friday.

I have no problem with KETC. I watched a program last night on 9-1.

NPS Cleared to Offer Distant Nets to Qualified DISH Subs?

Note that this is just one judge's recommendation to the judge who apparetnly will rule on the broadcasters' claim that DISH and NPS are in violation of the recently issued permanent injunction against DISH providing distant local networks to its subscribers.

Confused? Read the details, from today's SkyREPORT newsletter:
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With the latest ruling in the on-going distant signals fiasco, it appears that EchoStar and National Programming Services have notched a victory over the broadcasters. Late last week, a magistrate judge for the U.S. District Court in Florida recommended that Judge William Dimitrouleas - he who slapped EchoStar with its permanent injunction this month - rule that NPS' distant signal service does not violate his earlier decision.

United States Magistrate Judge Barry S. Seltzer recommended Dimitrouleas deny the emergency motion filed on behalf of the network affiliates asking that both EchoStar and NPS be held in contempt of the injunction for offering the service and that NPS must cease such business activities. Broadcasters have claimed that EchoStar is working with NPS to circumvent the judge's prior decision.

Seltzer ruled the transaction between EchoStar and NPS is "nothing more than an equipment lease" and that EchoStar is "not only out of the prohibited business, but it has no part of NPS' distant network programming." The judge also rejected broadcaster claims that EchoStar is telling customers they could subscribe to distant network signals through NPS - implying that NPS was assisting EchoStar undermine the court's injunction.

EchoStar Director of Corporate Communications Kathie Gonzalez told SkyREPORT, "We are pleased with the decision which confirms EchoStar has acted properly, and protects the right of eligible customers to obtain distant network channels."

Involved parties have this week to file official objections. There is no deadline by which Dimitrouleas must accept or deny Seltzer's recommendation.
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I live in Ferguson and use a DB4 antenna.
I'm having trouble getting the PBS station to come in. I think
it may be multipath. Should I buy a tripod which would
raise the antenna about 4 feet or go with a more directional antenna with
a rotor.

I second what Doug said. My location has several multipath issues to overcome. In my case, going higher did not help. It may help in your situation if it's on an eave or deck, etc. I moved it over a little at a time. The difference in moving it a little made a huge difference.

Have you checked out antenna.org? Try tuning in KETC first and then the rest. And I always suggest tilting it up as well. My antenna is tilted quite a bit.

Good luck.

Just by looking at a few posts, it seems that I am not the only one having trouble w/ KETC lately. It's been MIA since Thursday or Friday.While I generally don't have any problems in receiving KETC reliably, it is overall one of the more problematic stations to receive over the air, based on the results of the HDTV in St. Louis survey:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9091629&&#post9091629

WRBU is clearly the most difficult station for St. Louis viewers to receive (lucky for us), followed by KPLR and KETC. That said, it still looks like a relatively small group who has problems pulling in KETC.

The bigger issue for me with KETC is the awful picture quality and the lack of 5.1 audio. Last week I tried to watch the Great Performances showing of the Eric Clapton Crossroad Guitar Festival, but it was unbearable -- a total waste of bits. I turned it off after 5 minutes and I hope that this concert eventually finds its way to HD PPV or one of the HD disc formats. I might even break down and grab the standard-def DVD...

Anyway, I've been thinking about PBS lately -- do we really need a government-owned broadcaster in a TV universe where there's more than 200 channels and what was once relatively exclusive to PBS is now being provided and promoted by several commercial services, such as Discovery, National Geographic, Bravo, etc.?

Of course, we're Americans and we can afford anything our hearts desire (sarcasm), but it seems to me that ANY money spent on public broadcasting (TV or radio) could be better spent almost anywhere else. If PBS were really valuable, it would have been privatized and sold off to the highest bidder years ago.

Ditto NPR.

It's not an investigation...Charter's "franchise" rights or whatever they are called are set to expire and before the counties renew, they wanted Charter to explain why they suck. And the kicker is that Charter is giving these counties the runarounds...not returning calls and whatnot. So Charter is just looking even more careless and a-hole like.


I noticed in a letter I received recently that there is some kind of investigation going on in Madison and/or St. Clair counties with regards to Charter's service and pricing. If I can find the letter I will post it to the board.

Walt

A lot people LOVE those stations though. NPR is big. So is KDHX. Those are the only two stations I listen to on "terrestrial" radio...and both are "listner" supported and are relatively commercial free...I think the reason they don't get bought out is that the people running them really believe in non-corporate clear channel-type radio. I assume many feel the same about PBS.



Anyway, I've been thinking about PBS lately -- do we really need a government-owned broadcaster in a TV universe where there's more than 200 channels and what was once relatively exclusive to PBS is now being provided and promoted by several commercial services, such as Discovery, National Geographic, Bravo, etc.?

Of course, we're Americans and we can afford anything our hearts desire (sarcasm), but it seems to me that ANY money spent on public broadcasting (TV or radio) could be better spent almost anywhere else. If PBS were really valuable, it would have been privatized and sold off to the highest bidder years ago.

Ditto NPR.

If going with Charter saved you $240 per year, satellite would still be the wise choice. You won't regret it.

Scott

A guy at my work came in today and said his DirectTV picture has been going blank for a few seconds, then comes back in. He said it has been doing this alot the last few days. Said it 'really pisses him off'. Coworker said he heard it was sunspots. Charter subscribers just laughed.... :D

I have no problem with KETC. I watched a program last night on 9-1.

Works great for me also

Anyway, I've been thinking about PBS lately -- do we really need a government-owned broadcaster in a TV universe where there's more than 200 channels and what was once relatively exclusive to PBS is now being provided and promoted by several commercial services, such as Discovery, National Geographic, Bravo, etc.?

Of course, we're Americans and we can afford anything our hearts desire (sarcasm), but it seems to me that ANY money spent on public broadcasting (TV or radio) could be better spent almost anywhere else. If PBS were really valuable, it would have been privatized and sold off to the highest bidder years ago.

Ditto NPR.

Not everyone in this country can afford 200 channels or even wants them. PBS is a valuable service to many.

Was looking at ESPN.com website and the TV listings.

Looks like tonight's Mizzou/Illini Basketball game will NOT be HD when being shown on ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espntv/espnGuide

I was also under the impression that this Friday's SLU/NC sold out basketball game would be a national game on ESPN. However it's only on ESPN-U and thus no HD.

I just can't do Charter anymore. Tonight I am calling Dish.

It's just ridiculous...everytime I get some mail or telephone call where they ramble about their value and quality...they raise their rates, can't offer espn2HD, nfl network and abcHD...and then I can get the same thing from Dish plus those channels I want and its $20 cheaper a month...that's a difference of $240 a year.

I don't see Charter being worth $240 more.

You can add me to the list of people switching from Charter to Dish. With a bill approaching $150/month I couldn't take another increase without getting the channels I want (ESPNU, ESPN2-HD, ABC-HD and NFL being the top ones).

And for the person waiting for a MOXI box from Charter, I'll be returning mine next week so maybe you can move up on the list...

I don't understand why they can't buy more MOXI boxes- there is clearly a market. Charter would not need to raise prices if they could figure out how to sell products that people wanted. I'm perfectly willing to pay $7.00 more a month for DVR, but not just to keep getting what I already have. We've gone back to the 90's when cable raised prices every year. If they have a monopoly and can't make a profit, then it's their business model that is at fault, not us...


You can add me to the list of people switching from Charter to Dish. With a bill approaching $150/month I couldn't take another increase without getting the channels I want (ESPNU, ESPN2-HD, ABC-HD and NFL being the top ones).

And for the person waiting for a MOXI box from Charter, I'll be returning mine next week so maybe you can move up on the list...

I don't understand why they can't buy more MOXI boxes- there is clearly a market. Charter would not need to raise prices if they could figure out how to sell products that people wanted. I'm perfectly willing to pay $7.00 more a month for DVR, but not just to keep getting what I already have. We've gone back to the 90's when cable raised prices every year. If they have a monopoly and can't make a profit, then it's their business model that is at fault, not us...The most plausible explanation is that Charter is strapped for capital. They are servicing a major debt load, and this is likely restricting their ability to buy subscriber equipment on anything other than a hand-to-mouth basis -- the way it looks they're not even managing to do that..

The other probable factors are that Charter has calculated that the purchase of equipment to provide Internet service or phone service adds more to the bottom line more quickly -- particularly if these are new customers opting for the Triple Play -- versus existing video customers who are only incurring a relatively minor increase in monthly billing for HD services.

It also appears that Charter may be pressed for bandwidth, and as a result they aren't in an immediate position to add more HD channels. So again, there's less incentive to promote and push the Charter HD service, including providing existing or new customers with MOXI hardware.

Someone reported here recently that a Charter CS rep said that there would be MOXI hardware available in mid-January. In my experience, that's a classic sign of a company that is ritually holding the line on capital purchases through a quarterly and/or annual reporting cycle.

This is just my opinion, but I don't see this being a one-off event -- this is likely to be the way Charter operates until it is in a position to service its debt and still have some money remaining for investment.

And I think that only happens after additional asset sales.

Not everyone in this country can afford 200 channels or even wants them. PBS is a valuable service to many.

PBS is brought to you by "viewers like you."

Doug,

The Clapton Crossroads DVD is worth the buy even if it is SD. :)

As for Charter and Moxi boxes, I agree, they can't afford them and don't have the credit to get them. The other day a Charter van was in front of my house. I was looking at it and noticed the muffler was about dragging on the ground, the tires were almost bald, and the guy could hardly start it to drive away. Not a good picture to display to the public. I was taught you are what you drive. That van sure supports that theory. Charter is the worst.

Scott

Speaking of Charter and its finanaces, this is probably as close as they'll get to a new HD product release for a while... ;)

From today's Evening Bridge market close newsletter:
_________________________________________________________

Charter extended the expiration date of its offer to exchange $462 million in senior notes due 2015 and $250 million in senior notes due 2013
_________________________________________________________

I must first state that I am one of the biggest haters of Charter. I have dealt with them for a year and would love to see the whole company fold up. That said, I can not complain about the price. Quickly stated, $30 for the phone, $37 for 5MB, and 54.99 for basic, expanded, HD, and every movie channel. I just moved to Wentzville and all we have there is Century-tel. They want $30 for 1.5MB, $40 for the phone, and $70 for the Dish bronze package, 4 TVs (only 1 HD, 3 SDTV) and the locals. Dish called ME yesterday trying to sell their service. I told them I would sign up right on the spot if they would do the bronze HD package, 1 HD, 3SDTV, and locals for 55. I explained I would be losing lots of channels but was willing to switch. The lady said NO WAY. She ended the conversation with her best deal being $75.00. I just can't mentally understand spending over $200 a month for phone/tv/internet/cell service. Even if I was worth billions, I can not mentally deal with that.

Speaking of Charter and its finanaces, this is probably as close as they'll get to a new HD product release for a while... ;)

From today's Evening Bridge market close newsletter:
_________________________________________________________

Charter extended the expiration date of its offer to exchange $462 million in senior notes due 2015 and $250 million in senior notes due 2013
_________________________________________________________
Investors are probably all sitting around the exchange laughing.


Dang....and here I just invested my last 250m in NPS.

Not everyone in this country can afford 200 channels or even wants them. PBS is a valuable service to many.
I happen to be in both categories, therefore I really enjoy PBS-HD. Also, my daughter loves some of the content on KETC's 9-2. It has come in handy on several occasions, when I can get it (of course).

I assume many feel the same about PBS.Exactly.

Then they are in deep crap...they can't increase income without more money, and they can't get more money without more income...they're in a death sprial...

The most plausible explanation is that Charter is strapped for capital. They are servicing a major debt load, and this is likely restricting their ability to buy subscriber equipment on anything other than a hand-to-mouth basis -- the way it looks they're not even managing to do that..

The other probable factors are that Charter has calculated that the purchase of equipment to provide Internet service or phone service adds more to the bottom line more quickly -- particularly if these are new customers opting for the Triple Play -- versus existing video customers who are only incurring a relatively minor increase in monthly billing for HD services.

It also appears that Charter may be pressed for bandwidth, and as a result they aren't in an immediate position to add more HD channels. So again, there's less incentive to promote and push the Charter HD service, including providing existing or new customers with MOXI hardware.

Someone reported here recently that a Charter CS rep said that there would be MOXI hardware available in mid-January. In my experience, that's a classic sign of a company that is ritually holding the line on capital purchases through a quarterly and/or annual reporting cycle.

This is just my opinion, but I don't see this being a one-off event -- this is likely to be the way Charter operates until it is in a position to service its debt and still have some money remaining for investment.

And I think that only happens after additional asset sales.

I don't understand why they can't buy more MOXI boxes- there is clearly a market. Charter would not need to raise prices if they could figure out how to sell products that people wanted. I'm perfectly willing to pay $7.00 more a month for DVR, but not just to keep getting what I already have. We've gone back to the 90's when cable raised prices every year. If they have a monopoly and can't make a profit, then it's their business model that is at fault, not us...

Charter has been floundering under a MOUNTAIN of debt. They have been spending most of their capital on rolling out voice services. This is starting to pay off for them in strong subscriber gains, and they will likely be able to refinance some of their debt and save interest payments. They are starting to turn the corner but it is a slow process.

A guy at my work came in today and said his DirectTV picture has been going blank for a few seconds, then comes back in. He said it has been doing this alot the last few days. Said it 'really pisses him off'. Coworker said he heard it was sunspots. Charter subscribers just laughed.... :D

I haven't had any trouble with my D* picture dropping out. I must be pointed at a different sun. :)

-Mike

I haven't had any trouble with my D* picture dropping out. I must be pointed at a different sun. :)

-Mike

Mike....

Please, don't feed the trolls.

Then they are in deep crap...they can't increase income without more money, and they can't get more money without more income...they're in a death sprial...

Yet there stock prices have almost tripled in the last 4 months...go figure

Yet there stock prices have almost tripled in the last 4 months...go figure
From 1.00/share to 3.00/share. Much attributed to the 1b sale of assets and discontinued services in 2006.

FWIW, Charter serves 11.4m customers (Eo2nd Qtr 2006)
-5.8m SD
-2.9m DT
-2.4m HSI
-260k VoIP

DirecTv and DISH each serve more customers with 1/20th the relative debt :eek:

If Charter attains their estimates of 10m VoIP customers in 2007, the potential for surviving their unparalleled debt could be realized. Even if they do become one of the greatest mysteries of modern day business, and they are able to survive, avoiding a buy-out, the bulk of any proceeds will not go to the common shares.

They are doing better, but more like doubled- from $1.50 in july to $3.08 yesterday. That's still small cap teritory, but they are improving. Considering they were at $23 in 2001, I don't think too many investors would consider that much of a recovery though. Some of this recovery seems to be based on merger rumors too. I was not trying to flame Charter- just pointing out that they are not out of the woods and that I have had a poor experience with them.


Yet there stock prices have almost tripled in the last 4 months...go figure

Many of my friends switched to the triple play offered by comcast and then felt burned during the storms of the summer and winter because without power, all three services were dead. They're calling it the "eggs in one basket" plan, and are unsure if they will continue.


From 1.00/share to 3.00/share. Much attributed to the 1b sale of assets and discontinued services in 2006.

FWIW, Charter serves 11.4m customers (Eo2nd Qtr 2006)
-5.8m SD
-2.9m DT
-2.4m HSI
-260k VoIP

DirecTv and DISH each serve more customers with 1/20th the relative debt :eek:

If Charter attains their estimates of 10m VoIP customers in 2007, the potential for surviving their unparalleled debt could be realized. Even if they do become one of the greatest mysteries of modern day business, and they are able to survive, avoiding a buy-out, the bulk of any proceeds will not go to the common shares.

I must say on a positive note, that during all these storms (summer/winter) we did not lose any charter services. All three stayed running. We were lucky I guess.
Now we have moved to Wentzville and I can not get a Charter person out to my house to tell me if we can get service. They are begging for customers. I am a potential customer knocking loudly on their front door, but they won't answer. Doesn't make sense. All the people I spoke with on my street would love to switch TO Charter but none of them can get Charter to come out either. All the surrounding subdivision streets have service. Just not ours. Strange situation.....

Doesn't make sense. All the people I spoke with on my street would love to switch TO Charter but none of them can get Charter to come out either. All the surrounding subdivision streets have service. Just not ours. Strange situation.....

I had the same problem last year when I moved into our new construction home in St. Peters.
Apparently Charter only prewired the first 2 phases of our subdivision :confused:
Neighbors 10 houses away can get Charter but we cannot.

I'm not willing to switch right now but it would be nice to have another choice for phone/internet.


Token

I believe that to be the same problem here. We are in phase 3. Funny thing is that the people that connect to my back yard can get service, but I can't. I have argued with Charter for 4 weeks now to get them to come out. I could run the cable myself and have told them that. I keep the battle going because it is 30-40 dollars cheaper a month for the plan that I got out of them. They were really struggling for customers and offered me a plan I could not refuse. I believe I am about all out of steam. I am about to throw in the towel and go with Century-Tel/DSL/Dish. My problem with Century-Tel for DSL is when I spoke with them the other day, the lady told me, and I quote "We believe our 1.5MB DSL to be faster than 5MB cable broadband". So what am I getting into with these CSRs.....

Speaking of asset sales, Charter has unloaded some minor properties in Idaho:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/103/story/64307.html

Quote from that article:
"Some customers in the Idaho communities acquired by Cable One have access to 35 channels or fewer, and many don't have access to high-speed cable Internet, Cameron said. These customers will be charged the same rates Cable One charges now. For some customers that might be more, and for others it will be less, she said."

Yikes . .. only 35 channels :eek:

Hey folks. I'm interested in getting the new DirectTV HD DVR, but have reservations based on the issues people have been having - both with the box and installation (mostly from reading the dbstalk forum). I would need to have the AT9 or new slimline dish installed too.

Do any of you in the area now have the HR20? If so, is the box performing well and how did your installation go (if you had it installed by a DTV representative)? Thought I'd check with the local folks rather than rely on a larger national pool, especially where installation is concerned. At this time, I am inclined to wait a few months until DirectTV works out a few more bugs and technicians become more familiar with it.

Thanks!
Mike

I just wanted to do a quick follow-up to my 1080p projector report. The BenQ W10000 projector that I ordered from AVS came with some problems. I don't think I ever came close to seeing what it can really do, but one thing was clear to me. From my perspective as a DLP advocate, its image was soft. I made several attempts to do contrast/brightness/color adjustments on it with AVIA and an HD DVD test disc I burned from satellite captures. I think this projector is just soft/hazy compared to other DLP's I've seen and owned.

Anyway, I've already arranged an upgrade with AVS to the Sharp 20000 1080p. AVS is not only the company that runs this forum, it's also a stand-up company to buy from. I'm not going to be losing anything in the exchange. For anyone wanting to buy over the Internet, check AVS pricing when you do your research. Not only are they very competitive, they stand behind what they sell.

Hey folks. I'm interested in getting the new DirectTV HD DVR, but have reservations based on the issues people have been having - both with the box and installation (mostly from reading the dbstalk forum). I would need to have the AT9 or new slimline dish installed too.

Do any of you in the area now have the HR20? If so, is the box performing well and how did your installation go (if you had it installed by a DTV representative)? Thought I'd check with the local folks rather than rely on a larger national pool, especially where installation is concerned. At this time, I am inclined to wait a few months until DirectTV works out a few more bugs and technicians become more familiar with it.

Thanks!
Mike

Unless there's some particular reason you can't, you might also look at Dish Network. Their Dish 622 HD DVR is a really good triple tuner HD box.

...For anyone wanting to buy over the Internet, check AVS pricing when you do your research. Not only are they very competitive, they stand behind what they sell.Sooner or later, I will want a 70"+ DLP. I plan to check out AVS when I shop for one.

Hey folks. I'm interested in getting the new DirectTV HD DVR, but have reservations based on the issues people have been having - both with the box and installation (mostly from reading the dbstalk forum). I would need to have the AT9 or new slimline dish installed too.

Do any of you in the area now have the HR20? If so, is the box performing well and how did your installation go (if you had it installed by a DTV representative)? Thought I'd check with the local folks rather than rely on a larger national pool, especially where installation is concerned. At this time, I am inclined to wait a few months until DirectTV works out a few more bugs and technicians become more familiar with it.

Thanks!
Mike


Not to mention the waiting list to even get one.