2pm prerace show
3:15 Start of Race

Can't wait to see Ricky Rudd back in the D500

My OTA broke today, and I'll be watching in SD :(

WNYW-DT NYC Cablevision.

Wow that was odd, the taped intro segment was SD 16:9 but now FOX is in HD for the live show.

Pre-race looks pretty good. Curious to see how the sound is during the race. I'm watching OTA WACH-DT 57.1. Some commercials look pretty good. I noticed an enterprise rental car commercial that was very clean.

Kelly Clarkson sounded pretty rough. The audio sounded very compressed.

edit: The music sounds alot better cranked up. (Still not too wild about it. :D )

Pregame looks mediocre via D* FOXE feed. On field interviews with no motion showed considerable compression artifacts and macroblocking.

Clarkson not sounding too good. I guess in studio engineering works wonders. Well at least she's not lipsyncing it.

My compliments to the sticky-tape manufacturer that is holding her dress on. (sponsorship opportunity? :D ) I was a little bit nervous Fox was gonna have a Janet Jackson moment the way Clarkson was jumping around.

Gentlemen, we have in car HD cams!

Gentlemen, we have in car HD cams!


I'll be darned. I'm in the RV this three-day weekend. Monterey Bay trumps the Daytona 500 in HD this year. It's all SD for me. Nice to know that Fox is also using HD cameras in-car.

Let's go RACING!

Lots of audio dropouts and picture irregularities on D* FOXE feed. Picture breakups might be from the overhead DLP cam(s)?

Nice to see HD in-car cams.

Edit: Audio and picture seem back to normal.

Here in Atlanta, I'm watching OTA direct from my Sony 42A10 & I am using my D* H10 for the sound.

Those prerace sideline interviews/shots looked like crap. Lots of digitization & "swimming: everywhere.

In the race now & the HD in car views look good.

5.1 sound is wonderful as they swoop behind & around my right ear.

edit: That Mad Max/Earnhardt Bud commercial was hilarious. They should have showed it in HD though.

watching OTA Fox35 Orlando and the audio is perfect and the video looks great.

I Love the HD roof cams!

Audio/Video has been flawless thus far, OTA Los Angeles.

These HD cams in the cars are great eye candy and add a whole new element to the racing experience!

This is the most I've watched NASCAR in 5 years now. Does Fox still do Crank It Up?

WOW! Best PQ I've ever seen and the sound is frickin amazing! FOX continues to be the leader in HD but has totally gone above and beyond for this production. I'm sure it helps that I have superior DirecTV and not cable.

This is the most I've watched NASCAR in 5 years now. Does Fox still do Crank It Up?

I never watch NASCAR, I think it's boring. However, this production that FOX is putting out is absolutely amazing and I'm loving it.

Comcast FOX looks/sounds excellent here in NJ

no dropouts:

waiting for them to say: Crank it up ;)

5.1 sound is wonderful as they swoop behind & around my right ear.

edit: That Mad Max/Earnhardt Bud commercial was hilarious. They should have showed it in HD though.

They've done a great job with the cars wrapping around like that and ditto on the Jr. commercial.

WTF? Posts are being deleted. What is going on?

I have seen several of the in cars and they are 16:9 but they don't look HD. They look SD composite 16:9. Or there is so much vibration it looks SD. :D

They've done a great job with the cars wrapping around like that and ditto on the Jr. commercial.

Yes, it is very cool. Finally put my 8 month old to sleep, haha :)

[QUOTE=paule123]Pregame looks mediocre via D* FOXE feed. On field interviews with no motion showed considerable compression artifacts and macroblocking.

Clarkson not sounding too good. I guess in studio engineering works wonders. Well at least she's not lipsyncing it.

My compliments to the sticky-tape manufacturer that is holding her dress on. (sponsorship opportunity? :D ) I was a little bit nervous Fox was gonna have a Janet Jackson moment the way Clarkson was jumping around.[/QUOTE

Why didn't his post get deleted?

You bet they still Crank It Up! They even did it on the Duel's on Speed.

HD cams look great on the cars. You can see a ton in the reflections on the hood.

I'm a Redskins fan, I'd like to see Gibbs win something.

The trailer for "Zodiac" looked pretty good too.

The Dale Jr./Mad Max commercial WAS in HD!

I have seen several of the in cars and they are 16:9 but they don't look HD. They look SD composite 16:9. Or there is so much vibration it looks SD. :D
I was thinking the same thing, but at that speed the vibration would probably destroy just enough resolution to make it look SD widescreen. Looks good to me though, much better than the old way.

PQ and audio perfect, Comcast SF bay area.

I checked out the Hot Pass thing on DirecTV and wasn't that impressed, they don't seem to spend enough time with a full, out the windshield view, too much of the window view and normal broadcast view in the same screen image.

I was thinking the same thing, but at that speed the vibration would probably destroy just enough resolution to make it look SD widescreen.

You are correct. I was making a joke about that. The cameras bounce pretty good at 190 MPH!

Kurt Busch, please move over so the race can continue. Thanks.

The allstate commercial sounded great! Good explosion. Toyota had the tundra commercial in HD too. Budweiser keeps scaling their widescreen commercials to 4:3 but their crab commercial sounded pretty good.

I checked out the Hot Pass thing on DirecTV and wasn't that impressed, they don't seem to spend enough time with a full, out the windshield view, too much of the window view and normal broadcast view in the same screen image.

Same here. I wanted to PIP the hotpass with the FOX-HD but it is just too much going on on the hotpass channel. I feel like a stock broker with all of the crap scrolling around on the screen with PIP.

Same here. I wanted to PIP the hotpass with the FOX-HD but it is just too much going on on the hotpass channel. I feel like a stock broker with all of the crap scrolling around on the screen with PIP.
That's a good way to put. :D

Looking good here OTA on WVBT.
Has the ticker always been full width on 16:9 ??

Looking good here OTA on WVBT.
Has the ticker always been full width on 16:9 ??

no, last season the ticker only went across the 4:3 zone

no, last season the ticker only went across the 4:3 zone
You sure? I know for sure that it started from the right hand edge of the 16x9 area, but I'm not sure it ran off the left edge of the 16x9 area.

keenan is right. The ticker used to start on the right side of the 16x9 screen, then end on the 4x3 left side of the screen. Looks much better going the full length of the screen.

Yes.

I went on my receiver and turned my center channel speaker way down, then turned the volume way up. Can REALLY hear the cars wrapping around now. But, is it me or is there commercials about every 5 minutes. I hit the mute on my remote to drop the volume way down during commercials but its hard to keep up! Oh oh, accident...

Wow, the audio in the garage was even impressive. Did anyone else catch that hammer coming from the left rear in Kurt Busch's garage? Startled the heck out of me!!!

Wow, the audio in the garage was even impressive. Did anyone else catch that hammer coming from the left rear in Kurt Busch's garage? Startled the heck out of me!!!
Yeah, that was pretty cool. :)

[QUOTE=paule123]Pregame looks mediocre via D* FOXE feed. On field interviews with no motion showed considerable compression artifacts and macroblocking.

Clarkson not sounding too good. I guess in studio engineering works wonders. Well at least she's not lipsyncing it.

My compliments to the sticky-tape manufacturer that is holding her dress on. (sponsorship opportunity? :D ) I was a little bit nervous Fox was gonna have a Janet Jackson moment the way Clarkson was jumping around.[/QUOTE

Why didn't his post get deleted?

Don't know why the post got deleted.

But, I believe the audio engineers needed to bring the mic levels down due to the wind, and Ms. Clarkson wasn't aware/ready for that. You could tell by when she was pulling the mic away from her mouth, that is normally done to soften the sound. In this case, you lost all sound.

She still sounded pretty good though. Looked cold out there though. :)

Pics?

I've never watched a NASCAR race in my entire life, but I just tuned it in as I scanned this thread. WHOA! This is some of the most awesome PQ I've ever seen in my life.

FOX really outdid themselves.

This may sound like a stupid question, but is this the race that has people upset over a Toyota competing?

is it just me or are these commentators clueless? they dont even seem to be paying attention to anything that happens until someone whispers it into their headsets... or are they not looking at the same cameras we are?

But, is it me or is there commercials about every 5 minutes. I hit the mute on my remote to drop the volume way down during commercials but its hard to keep up! Oh oh, accident...

Its not you, there are just way too many commercials. I keep having to crank up the volume during the race and then turn it way down for the commercials....quite annoying. But I must say FOX HD looks and sounds incredible here in Vancouver.

I'm sure it helps that I have superior DirecTV and not cable.?

We saw that last trouble start as they were going to commercial. Thanks for staying with the commercial break.

Oh yeah and that was supposed to be the last break until the checkered flag.

Burton about caused a disaster... speaking of disasters, there's one.

Burton about caused a disaster... speaking of disasters, there's one.

:rolleyes:

We saw that last trouble start as they were going to commercial. Thanks for staying with the commercial break.

I noticed that too. They cut to commercial as the accident was starting. Are they not flexible enough with 10 laps to go to hold off the 30 sec commercial to show the wreck?

they were probably too busy trying to find a spitoon

yikes! martin got screwed

i wish they would kick the busch brothers out of nascar

that was a great finish, wow!

i wish they would kick the busch brothers out of nascar

Neither wreck was a fault a of Busch.

Great race, especially that last 40 laps, wow.

Screw the last 40 laps, that final lap was one for the ages!

Wild finish!!! Too bad for Mark though.

Great race, with an exciting finish an awesome way to start a new round of NASCAR contracts for FOX, TNT, and ESPN.

I thought the race looked and sounded great, congrats to FOX for stepping up and adding HD in cars.

I am now officially a NASCAR fan!!!!

Great PQ!
Great sound!
And Great finish!!

I plan on watching as many races(in HD of course) as possible!

I am now officially a NASCAR fan!!!!

Great PQ!
Great sound!
And Great finish!!

I plan on watching as many races(in HD of course) as possible!
I never really paid too much attention to NASCAR until it went HD, now I try not to miss a race. It's a little tough when the NFL starts back up though.

Those D* NASCAR HotPass channels are so bad.... the only advantage is the small window that stays with the driver during commercial breaks. why don't they have the whole screen showing the driver with a PIP of the network feed?...the way they have it now it is two small PIP size images with the corners overlapping..and those announcers are BAAAAAADDDD......shut up and let us listen to crew communications. Also, telemetry was missing from most of the channels most of the time.

I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I wanted to see what those channels looked like. Nothing like the ads described.

Great ending to the race. I'll watch another race if I'm home.

Great win Kevin. Kurt Busch almost crashed Harvick with his constant blocking. I agree the Busch brothers need to go.

Great start to the season!

Great win Kevin. Kurt Busch almost crashed Harvick with his constant blocking. I agree the Busch brothers need to go.

Hey Busch made a gamble and lost, ish happens. Its not as bad as Said knocking into the guy and almost causing a huge accident too.

I'll be curious to see what Ken Schrader has to say about Dave Blaney tomorrow. That was the stupidest move I saw all day.

Hey Busch made a gamble and lost, ish happens. Its not as bad as Said knocking into the guy and almost causing a huge accident too.

they were blocking everyone the whole race. they are always starting trouble then throw hissy fits. ive had my fill of those brats.

I'll be curious to see what Ken Schrader has to say about Dave Blaney tomorrow. That was the stupidest move I saw all day.

The stupidest move I seen during the race happened on the last lap.... Nascar is a joke these days and I guess they make their own rules as they go along. So much for freezing the field, I'm not even a MM fan and even less of a Nascar fan after this stunt.


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The stupidest move I seen during the race happened on the last lap.... Nascar is a joke these days and I guess they make their own rules as they go along. So much for freezing the field, I'm not even a MM fan and even less of a Nascar fan after this stunt.


I agree with NASCAR's call on this one, the leaders were in the clear and they should race to the line. Yes, it is one of those grey areas in NASCAR but it created a finish that was decided at the line where it should be.

The excuse I heard the FOX commentators using was "hey, the crash was behind them....not in front. They weren't going around again and the crash didn't affect the two lead drivers, so let them race to the finish. Good job NASCAR."

I'd be interested in hearing what the NASCAR rule book says about when the caution flag must come out.

I'd be interested in hearing what the NASCAR rule book says about when the caution flag must come out.
Whenever race control decides for it to come out.

Well if I'm a NASCAR driver, then I race back to the line in event of a crash, so much for driver safety.

Race today looked much better than last year on NBC.

Hate that Hamlin was wrecked into.

Whenever race control decides for it to come out.

Sounds a little too much like injury time in soccer....no real clock, up to the discretion of the referee, who often will not end the half if a legitimate scoring opportunity is in progress.... :(

Oh, and I'm not sure I like the fact that the NASCAR rule book is not readily available to the public....what are they hiding? Every other major sport's rule book can be bought for a few dollars or found on the internet. Not NASCAR......

Man what a great race............at the end!!. I am a huge NASCAR fan and I have to say the first 460 miles of this race was the most boring SuperSpeedway racing I have seen. Usually at these kinds of tracks the cars are bunched up in one giant pack the whole race but today it was really stretched out and there wasn't that much action/racing. Being a huge Harvick fan I was none too disappointed with the finish.
Tough call on whether NASCAR should throw the flag, I thought it was going to fly but at that point what is the flag really gonna do, the wreck is already happening and nobody is getting woed up when it comes out. But even if they would have thrown it the top 2 results would have been the same, depending on which side you thought the flag would have come ( Harvick leading or Matin leading).
I wouldn't have minded seeing Martin win that either. The man is a true champion of the sport and has definitely done great things in it.

When its all said and done I think FOX did a great job with the coverage this year, especially the WS/HD (not sure which it was) cameras in and on top of the cars this year. That was one of my biggest peeves with watching NASCAR HD was the switch to 4:3 for incar shots.

The misconception here is that even the drivers behind the crash are still racing for position, this rule was put into place to prevent a "free-for-all" race to the line in the event of a crash, regardless if you are in 1st place or 42nd place.

I'd be interested in hearing what the NASCAR rule book says about when the caution flag must come out.

There is no NASCAR rule book

There is no NASCAR rule book

There must be.

There must be.

Yeah, its in Bill Frances head and changes weekly during driver meetings for each event.

Yeah, its in Bill Frances head and changes weekly during driver meetings for each event.

Bill France is dead
Bill France JR is on Life support
Brian France is on dope.

NASCAR...it is what it is !

The misconception here is that even the drivers behind the crash are still racing for position, this rule was put into place to prevent a "free-for-all" race to the line in the event of a crash, regardless if you are in 1st place or 42nd place.
The rule was mainly put into effect to prevent car a lap down trying to race back to the line to get a lap back.

Here's an old page from NASCAR.com showing that the rule books are made available to members only: http://www.nascar.com/guides/customer_service/nascar_contact.html

I never really paid too much attention to NASCAR until it went HD

My NASCAR viewing actually went down when some of the races were on FX. I couldn't stand the SD any more. This year I'll only skip the Nextel All-Star Challenge on Speed.

I really wanted Mark Martin to win this one.

I really wanted Mark Martin to win this one.
So did I, but it was a great finish in any case.

If anyone didn't understand how turning the noise reduction and edge enhancement on/off changes the PQ, this was a perfect example...that crazy sportcoat that DW was wearing. I had my edge enhancement on low and his coat looked like it was shimmering or something. Almost like it was shiny or had sequins or something. When I turned my edge enhancement off...the coat was simply a plaid coat...and the detail was amazing! I say this as alot of people like to turn up the artificial black level, edge enhancment, sharpness etc. and alot of times those aren't necessary if the TV is set up right.

You all realize that the last time #20 finished 43rd in the 500 he won the Cup? Go Tony!

I agree with NASCAR's call on this one, the leaders were in the clear and they should race to the line. Yes, it is one of those grey areas in NASCAR but it created a finish that was decided at the line where it should be.
I think if you go back and listen to what Martin said after the race.....even HE agrees with NASCAR's decision to NOT drop the yellow....Of course...Martin just wishes HE was where Harvick ended up.....(IMO, Martin was a bit too hard on himself...he ran a good race.....)

The misconception here is that even the drivers behind the crash are still racing for position, this rule was put into place to prevent a "free-for-all" race to the line in the event of a crash, regardless if you are in 1st place or 42nd place.

Really? Well tell that to Tony Stewart. He was about to pass Dale Jarrett a couple of seasons ago at Talladega on the last lap and a caution came out and the field was frozen thus handing DJ the win. I don't even like Mark Martin but he got jobbed big time, he's just too nice of a guy to say anything publicly.

Really? Well tell that to Tony Stewart. He was about to pass Dale Jarrett a couple of seasons ago at Talladega on the last lap and a caution came out and the field was frozen thus handing DJ the win. I don't even like Mark Martin but he got jobbed big time, he's just too nice of a guy to say anything publicly.

100% Right.

I am not a huge MM fan, but he is the classiest driver in NASCAR, and a true gentleman. And he got hosed.

Brian

My NASCAR viewing actually went down when some of the races were on FX. I couldn't stand the SD any more. This year I'll only skip the Nextel All-Star Challenge on Speed.

I really wanted Mark Martin to win this one.

You can always watch the HD hightlight for thoses races from FX and SpeedChannel on Sportscenter, and now Nascar Now on the Duce.

100% Right.

I am not a huge MM fan, but he is the classiest driver in NASCAR, and a true gentleman. And he got hosed.

Brian

If NASCAR would have thrown the caution when kyle bush first started spinning out, kevin harvick would have won the race. The wind tunnel on speed with dave despain showed video evidence of such. If NASCAR would have thrown the caution when cars started hitting eachother then Martin would have won. NASCAR was in a no win situation. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally I feel NASCAR did the right thing and let the two leaders race to the checkered flag, then throw the caution.

On Inside Nextel Cup racing on speed they showd a shot of the last lap wreck that was amazing. David Gilliland drove over the left front corner of Biffle's car and kept the gas matted and flew through the grass back on to the track around the start finish line right between two cars. He was lucky he didn't wreck some more cars. It was a crazy finish.

The race was pretty boring for the first 160 laps. It got interesting at the end, but the beginning was such a snoozer. NASCAR got lucky with that amazing finish, without it every one would still be talking about Michael Waltrip and his teams crazy attempt at cheating.

WOW! Best PQ I've ever seen and the sound is frickin amazing! FOX continues to be the leader in HD but has totally gone above and beyond for this production. I'm sure it helps that I have superior DirecTV and not cable.
I would agree the sound was very good but the picture was terrible IMO.
A friend of mine was over to watch the race and kept asking if this race was in HD. I had to explain that it was but D* watered down HD.
He wasn't too impressed. He won't be going out and buying a HD receiver anytime soon for his HD RPTV.

I would agree the sound was very good but the picture was terrible IMO.
A friend of mine was over to watch the race and kept asking if this race was in HD. I had to explain that is was but D* watered down HD.
He wasn't too impressed. He won't be going out and buying a HD receiver anytime soon for his HD RPTV.
D* HD not exactly the best sales tool for HD. The race looked awesome coming from WJBK Detroit on Comcast.

If anyone didn't understand how turning the noise reduction and edge enhancement on/off changes the PQ, this was a perfect example...that crazy sportcoat that DW was wearing. I had my edge enhancement on low and his coat looked like it was shimmering or something. Almost like it was shiny or had sequins or something. When I turned my edge enhancement off...the coat was simply a plaid coat...and the detail was amazing! I say this as alot of people like to turn up the artificial black level, edge enhancment, sharpness etc. and alot of times those aren't necessary if the TV is set up right.

You all realize that the last time #20 finished 43rd in the 500 he won the Cup? Go Tony!

I have SVM on 1 (possible 0 thru 3) and I still noticed considerable EE on some shots. I'll reset to 0 tonight and check again. Maybe I'm just spoiled because I was watching CBS golf during race commercials and didn't see any EE.

Re: Tony - So since he finished 40th does that mean the best he can do is 4th in The Cup? :D (j/k - I'm a closet TS fan)

You can always watch the HD hightlight for thoses races from FX and SpeedChannel on Sportscenter, and now Nascar Now on the Duce.

FX doesn't have races any more. And seeing highlights is anticlimactic.

If NASCAR would have thrown the caution when kyle bush first started spinning out, kevin harvick would have won the race. The wind tunnel on speed with dave despain showed video evidence of such. If NASCAR would have thrown the caution when cars started hitting eachother then Martin would have won. NASCAR was in a no win situation. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally I feel NASCAR did the right thing and let the two leaders race to the checkered flag, then throw the caution.



The problem with this is there is NO consistency in how NASCAR calls races. As was mentioned, the same thing happened a few years ago, and they threw the caution flag. Name one other sport/activity where rules are arbitrarily decided from week to week. I'm becoming less and less interested as time goes on. I'm tired of them making things up as they go.

BTW, Mark Martin was NOT satisfied how the end was called. He was furious over his radio that they didn't throw the caution. He's just a class act, and didn't want to take anything away from Harvick's win.

Art

Has anyone heard about HD Net supposedly showing the "re-air" of all of the Nascar Nextel Cup (The Real Nascar, not the minor league stuff) later in the week?

HDNet begins Nextel Cup Series race coverage in high definition with the Daytona 500. Network to televise re-airs of Nextel Cup Series races each week from Daytona to Homestead. National cable network HDNet will re-air Nextel Cup Series races, beginning with the 2007 Daytona 500, this Thursday February 22nd, 9:30pm/et. This Nextel Cup Series coverage comes as the network extends their relationship with NASCAR, including a renewed agreement to air races from the NASCAR Grand National Division in 2007. This national race re-air is available in HDTV only on HDNet. Fans who wish to see the network’s coverage of NASCAR should contact their cable or satellite provider to sign up for HDNet. HDNet (www.hd.net) provides viewers with the best in original comedy, drama, news, sports and music programming.

Found that posted on another message board.

HDNet press release:
http://www.hd.net/pressrelease.html?2007-02-21-01.html

Found that posted on another message board.
You're late.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=808957

Typical.

You can subscribe to an HDNet mailing list that will notify you of these events. I got one in the mail this morning telling me about the Daytona 500 re-airing tonight.