"yeah but this definitely aids pirating. Frankly, with the formats in the delicate state that they are, I wouldnt promote using this. If this had been out earlier, maybe Troy wouldve been canceled(and my heart broken). I do believe piracy of HD content is a major concern and set back for those of us waiting for Spielberg's line of movies, and other priceless classics as well.

Im just trying to say, support the format. Dont be borrowing or netflxing rentals and backing em up. That could really hurt those of us waiting for our classics."

I was just about to post that when a mod had already deleted the OP's thread. Good job!

I see a bunch of these everyday, at other forums too. Wow... you can now pirate new formats. That could also ruin hd content and its accesibility.

Really guys, dont even think about promoting this crap. While I only speak from speculation, I find it hard to believe Jaws will ever come to HD DVD (or blu ray) if people promote this crap. The studios are pissed, and rightfully so, about people pirating their content. Why would they release Jaws if it was a lossless copy from the master? Too valuable to risk.

I could post torrent listings with whatever new HD DVD release come out, up in under a day's time. Please, do your part to boycott these types of products. Image restraints and region encoding have all been passed up in this gen HD DVD. Havent we all benefitted from that? Things will change if piracy becomes the norm on any format.

"yeah but this definitely aids pirating. Frankly, with the formats in the delicate state that they are, I wouldnt promote using this. If this had been out earlier, maybe Troy wouldve been canceled(and my heart broken). I do believe piracy of HD content is a major concern and set back for those of us waiting for Spielberg's line of movies, and other priceless classics as well.

Im just trying to say, support the format. Dont be borrowing or netflxing rentals and backing em up. That could really hurt those of us waiting for our classics."

I was just about to post that when a mod had already deleted the OP's thread. Good job!

I see a bunch of these everyday, at other forums too. Wow... you can now pirate new formats. That could also ruin hd content and its accesibility.

Really guys, dont even think about promoting this crap. While I only speak from speculation, I find it hard to believe Jaws will ever come to HD DVD (or blu ray) if people promote this crap. The studios are pissed, and rightfully so, about people pirating their content. Why would they release Jaws if it was a lossless copy from the master? Too valuable to risk.

I could post torrent listings with whatever new HD DVD release come out, up in under a day's time. Please, do your part to boycott these types of products. Image restraints and region encoding have all been passed up in this gen HD DVD. Havent we all benefitted from that? Things will change if piracy becomes the norm on any format.


I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with many of your points. I do understand that some people are worried that this will Kill HD media or something to that extent, but I'm sorry we are the studios bosses technically. They don't put something out on HD (once HD media is standard) they shoot themselves in the foot. No release equals no money. No studio in their right mind would hold back all profits because they are afraid of losing a little of that profit. I applaud the use of Rom-Marking however, the only copy protection method I think is remotely worthwhile. that will stop (or at least be a huge deterrent) for the Asian bootleggers who pour out a ton of pirated material that is transparent to the original all the time. However AnyDVD HD does nothing but allow the standard user to backup their copy of an HD Disc.

ATM what would stop the whole rip----burn,,,rip----burn scenario is the cost of media. However when that goes down more people will inevitably end of using a burner to get ahold of rentals etc.... Then we'll see how much the casual downloader or copy'er actually dents the sales of the studios vs. the bootleggers.

If the studios are pissed... Let them be. They can do whatever they want but if they don't release stuff, they don't get paid. I find it ridiculous that just because something is of better quality all of a sudden people will turn into rabid pirates. This theory has been spouted since the inception of home video. The VHS player will destroy movies, a person only needs to have one copy of a movie and multiple people can see it without paying. The copy function on VCR would destroy movies, people can just copy for free anything they want, DVD was cracked fairly early and DVD burners and cheap media would be the demise of Movies as we know it :rolleyes:.. See the pattern. The studios are paranoid about every technological invention when it comes to music and movies. They are afraid that their millions will stop flowing. However people still bought vhs's, cassettes, cd's and DVD by the gallon. People like owning the media. The people who download predominantly for their movie viewing wouldn't have bought the movie anyways, they only do it to pass some time, nothing more. This type of doom and gloom does nothing to help technological advances go forward. Many people on this forum use AnyDVD for their personal backups or media servers. Shame on us for wanting fair use

Very well put. I didnt see it in that light.

I use ANYDVD and I'm proud to say so. I copy my purchased DVD movies onto my HTPC or server to have a media Lib readily available. If the studios dont like this well it's really to bad. I am hoping in the next few years when HDD sizes increase enough to let be copy my PURCHASED HD-DVD's on my HTPC. Untill then I might rip one or two favorite HD-DVD, but as of now it is now feesable to copy all of them.

Oh and the only movies on DVD I STEAL is those that Sony Studios release, JK :D

People have been pirating HD content long before the inception of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. There are web sites dedicated to downloading HD movies from cable.

I've heard that they look quite good...

I have to agree with the original post. The thing is, that right now, movie studios don´t really make money of HD-disc sales. At least not if you compare them to DVD. If cracking and downloading of these movies became very convenient too soon and it therefor took longer for the sales numbers to increase, movie studios would not feel the need to ad new movies to their HD library!

Fortunately, I don´t see HD-downloads becoming "mainstream" yet. The files are anywhere between 4 and 30 Gigabytes and I guess it takes ages to download just one. And then, when you have one of those HD DVD source files, what do you do with it? How many people have HD DVD burners? Do you just watch it on your PC-screen which is most of the time 19, maybe 20 inch? And don´t get me startet on how long it would take to reencode an HD DVD into 1080p WMV! Oh yes, I can really see how that hurts the industry! ;)

I think, right now, we (the "loyal" HD DVD fans) are safe. And studios are too. But for how long, until consumers feel it´s easier to download HD instead of buying it in the store?

I'm using it right now in conjunction with my 360 HD-DVD Drive and my 19" (non-HDCP) LCD.

Now I just need a bigger LCD.

:D

I refuse to rent, I buy only, but thast not going to stop some people from doing this.

IMO, actually AnyDVD HD will allow people who don't have HDCP monitor or video card to watch HD movies. It could also "hook" some people, who otherwise weren't even thinking about HD, to start watching and collecting HD movies. This may sound crazy but I actually think the broken encryption will increase HD-DVD sales. All they need now is few front page stories about broken HD-DVD encryption as a form of free nationwide advertising. DVD encryption was broken years ago and there was a time where you could buy one click DVD copy program in the store but still sales of DVD's are stronger than ever. If anything will kill HD-DVD it will be studios themselves with their protections, restrictions and incompatyblity
with older, non HDCP equipment and the content not worth watching.

Even without AnyDVD HD you can copy evo. files to your hard drive. You still need a player program. This helps with non hdcp equipment.

Being able to back up content isn't going to promote piracy. The people who are going to steal are going to figure out a way to do it anyway, and it's the "common man" that gets the screws put to him. JMO

I guess we shouldn't rent or buy used either.

People who are going to buy HD DVD movies are going to continue to buy. Those who are not, will not with or without anyDVD.

For those who rent and back up the movies so what? Who is that going to hurt? The reason why people rent is because they don't have the money to buy everything in sight.

And if they want to keep a copy to watch it again later, who cares?

Do you care if they have the movie in queue and rent it again to watch it? Most of online renters have unlimited rental anyways.

It is not like rent per view like before. So AnyDvd is not as evil as the OP wants you to believe.

I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with many of your points. I do understand that some people are worried that this will Kill HD media or something to that extent, but I'm sorry we are the studios bosses technically. They don't put something out on HD (once HD media is standard) they shoot themselves in the foot. No release equals no money. No studio in their right mind would hold back all profits because they are afraid of losing a little of that profit. I applaud the use of Rom-Marking however, the only copy protection method I think is remotely worthwhile. that will stop (or at least be a huge deterrent) for the Asian bootleggers who pour out a ton of pirated material that is transparent to the original all the time. However AnyDVD HD does nothing but allow the standard user to backup their copy of an HD Disc.

ATM what would stop the whole rip----burn,,,rip----burn scenario is the cost of media. However when that goes down more people will inevitably end of using a burner to get ahold of rentals etc.... Then we'll see how much the casual downloader or copy'er actually dents the sales of the studios vs. the bootleggers.

If the studios are pissed... Let them be. They can do whatever they want but if they don't release stuff, they don't get paid. I find it ridiculous that just because something is of better quality all of a sudden people will turn into rabid pirates. This theory has been spouted since the inception of home video. The VHS player will destroy movies, a person only needs to have one copy of a movie and multiple people can see it without paying. The copy function on VCR would destroy movies, people can just copy for free anything they want, DVD was cracked fairly early and DVD burners and cheap media would be the demise of Movies as we know it :rolleyes:.. See the pattern. The studios are paranoid about every technological invention when it comes to music and movies. They are afraid that their millions will stop flowing. However people still bought vhs's, cassettes, cd's and DVD by the gallon. People like owning the media. The people who download predominantly for their movie viewing wouldn't have bought the movie anyways, they only do it to pass some time, nothing more. This type of doom and gloom does nothing to help technological advances go forward. Many people on this forum use AnyDVD for their personal backups or media servers. Shame on us for wanting fair use
well put
piracy is nothing new, applications/games/movies have all been available for pirating but that didn't mean its the end....microsoft didnt stop development of windows just b/c it was pirated. The majority of the public does not know how to pirate and probably doesnt even know where to get started if they wanted to.

I definitely agree with the other side of the coin. When I just found out I could easily back up blu ray movies onto my hd then playem back, I thought immediately, wow, lemme get my whole collection on there for easy viewing without hurting my original copy.

BUT -

I do believe anydvd makes it easier for joe shmoe to back up anything he wants, rented or not. Next comes burners, and then comes your punks selling perfect copies to anyone who wants it for $5. Maybe piracy never hurt a flick like Superman, or ET. But piracy destroyed some indie films profits, as per what I have read in some editorials.

Granted editorials are usually biased, but I dont believe you can write of piracy as meaningless. Maybe you have never had a book published, finally had it placed in required readings, and have seen the same people you plan to teach someday steal your profits by photocopying it to avoid paying the fees associated with it.

I dont think piracy should be shrugged off as no big deal. Why encrypt the movies in the first place?