I picked up the NIN disc, mostly because HighDefDigest said that Somewhat Damaged was on there (why the hell do they have 8 songs from With Teeth on there??????????), but I can't find it. That is one of my favorite NIN songs. Where is it?

Uhhh..... "why do they have 8 songs from With Teeth????????" .... well isn't it obvious!? It was a tour to promote that album...... you'd think that was a bit obvious. And since your probably being sarcastic because you don't like the album or the songs, well then why did you get it?!?


Uhhhhh your not looking to great either, because Somewhat Damaged is on the other HD content... the north american summer tour section.

All right, thanks.

And I bought it for The Big Come Down, Somewhat Damaged, Head like a Hole, Terrible Lie, Eraser, March of the Pigs, and Closer. I wish Star****ers, The Fragile, Heresy, and Reptile were on this thing though.

yes it's unfortunate (and also pretty nonsensical) that since this thing was filmed on two different days at two different venues, that he didn't just play two radically different set lists and includes 30 tracks on this release instead of half that. he could have played the same WT songs at both, and mixed up the TDS/Fragile/PHM tracks between them.

I really would have liked to have seen Reptile, Mr. Self Destruct, Happiness in Slavery, Now I'm Nothing, and Where is Everybody on one of the 3 Atlanta shows last time.

yes it's unfortunate (and also pretty nonsensical) that since this thing was filmed on two different days at two different venues, that he didn't just play two radically different set lists and includes 30 tracks on this release instead of half that. he could have played the same WT songs at both, and mixed up the TDS/Fragile/PHM tracks between them.

No. I think they just wanted to do the main tour basic set list.. otherwise it wouldn't really be a disc for this tour.

Explain to me the downside (financial or otherwise) to doing it the way i suggested. There isn't one.

I really would have liked to have seen Reptile, Mr. Self Destruct, Happiness in Slavery, Now I'm Nothing, and Where is Everybody on one of the 3 Atlanta shows last time.

Now you're talking! The only recording I've got of Now I'm Nothing is from a crummy sounding bootleg... ahh well, better than nothing.

Now you're talking! The only recording I've got of Now I'm Nothing is from a crummy sounding bootleg... ahh well, better than nothing.

yeah, you can get the video of Now I'm Nothing on the Closure DVD that Trent leaked to ThePirateBay.org back in December. (If you didn't already). There should still be plenty of folks seeding it.

And I assume you've gotten the new tracks from Year Zero that have been released? If not, check out ninwiki.com and echoingthesound.org. He has "leaked"4 tracks so far, and all four of them are better than every track on With Teeth.

yeah, you can get the video of Now I'm Nothing on the Closure DVD that Trent leaked to ThePirateBay.org back in December. (If you didn't already). There should still be plenty of folks seeding it.

Actually I wasn't aware of that. I knew of the Closure DVD but I stopped buying DVDs quite awhile ago. If it gets issued on BD I'll pick it up for sure.

And I assume you've gotten the new tracks from Year Zero that have been released? If not, check out ninwiki.com and echoingthesound.org. He has "leaked"4 tracks so far, and all four of them are better than every track on With Teeth.

Didn't know that either. Not into downloading but since it's NIN I'll check 'em out. It's not like I won't be buying Year Zero on CD anyway. ;) Thanks!

He has "leaked"4 tracks so far, and all four of them are better than every track on With Teeth.

Well I just dl'd and listened to all 4 tracks and only In This Twilight sounded good to me. I'm sure the others will grow on me though... enough to be better than anything on With Teeth? I highly doubt it. ;)

you liked with teeth? ;)

you liked with teeth? ;)
Love the album, the title track is the weakest link though. Title track is still better than 3 of the 4 new tracks IMO.

yes it's unfortunate (and also pretty nonsensical) that since this thing was filmed on two different days at two different venues, that he didn't just play two radically different set lists and includes 30 tracks on this release instead of half that. he could have played the same WT songs at both, and mixed up the TDS/Fragile/PHM tracks between them.

I really would have liked to have seen Reptile, Mr. Self Destruct, Happiness in Slavery, Now I'm Nothing, and Where is Everybody on one of the 3 Atlanta shows last time.

Here is why they wouldn't do that-it helps to have two performances of the same song, in case there are audio/video problems, screwups, etc. It makes perfect sense to me.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that Where Is Everybody has NEVER been performed live, though it is not out of the question in the future considering the songs that have been added for the current European tour.

Here is why they wouldn't do that-it helps to have two performances of the same song, in case there are audio/video problems, screwups, etc. It makes perfect sense to me.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that Where Is Everybody has NEVER been performed live, though it is not out of the question in the future considering the songs that have been added for the current European tour.

True, so why not record 4 shows then, instead of 2, and play 2 set lists? He played Reptile at the Atlanta '06 show... all he needed was a camera set up. I'd have paid $19.99 for BYIT on Blu-ray instead of $16.99 if it meant i helped finance filming a deeper set list. I think the problem is that he set such a precedent with 'And All That Could Have Been," as far as depth is concerned.

And yes, I don't think 'Where is Everybody' has been played either...the best version of that song is Danny Lohner's remix from 'Things Falling Apart,' which would be hell to try and perform live i think.

True, so why not record 4 shows then, instead of 2, and play 2 set lists? He played Reptile at the Atlanta '06 show... all he needed was a camera set up. I'd have paid $19.99 for BYIT on Blu-ray instead of $16.99 if it meant i helped finance filming a deeper set list. I think the problem is that he set such a precedent with 'And All That Could Have Been," as far as depth is concerned.


Well, I think that you've answered your own question---the costs were probably prohibitive beyond two nights. I believe Rob mentioned on The Spiral that it was very expensive to capture those two nights with the kind of equipment that they were using. That high def equipment is expensive to rent, and the personnel to run it probably weren't cheap either. On the other hand, from what I recall "And All That Could Have Been" was shot on the cheap, enabling them to capture many songs on many different nights.

I would have liked for more songs too, but surely this won't be the last NIN high def release, if the current Trent Reznor burst of productivity continues.

that's most likely the reason...

A second, Year Zero-backed HD release with a supporting setlist of different catalog songs would be spectacular 1 year from now.

such as:
Year Zero tracks+
Reptile
The Becoming
Last
We're In This Together
etc.

would be sweet.

Just got back from BB, theyre sold out of the blu ray version :(.

Explain to me the downside (financial or otherwise) to doing it the way i suggested. There isn't one.

Theres also the artistic reason... The DVD is supposed to represent the flow, pacing and artistic merit of an actual setlist. Its not just a collection of live songs. They are obviously going out of their way to highlight the new stuff and not just spit out greatest hits or dwell on older material. Just throwing together a patched up collection of 30 songs will totally defeat the purpose and artistically compromise the flow of the show.

Granted they could have slapped on a few more bonus tracks, but again that might defeat the whole 'growing as a band, looking forward and highlighting the new material' message. Its hard to have that balance between pleasing the fans and pleasing the artistic merit in a release like this.

Well, after watching it, most of the With Teeth songs were much better live, except the first 2. I couldn't bare to watch those 2 songs for mre than 30 seconds. Closer and Head Like a Hole was friggon awesome though. I am quite pleased with this, but I wish they took the intiative to actualy print a track list, at least on the insert if not the freaking cover. The cover is so bland though.

Now if NIN could only release the damn music video collection on Blu-Ray. Oh, and I want Pretty Hate Machine released on CD remastered, as my CD sounds like crap.

Oh, and I want Pretty Hate Machine released on CD remastered, as my CD sounds like crap. "

me too. Thinking about picking up the SACD of The Downward Spiral (though the CD is pretty good)

Now if NIN could only release the damn music video collection on Blu-Ray. Oh, and I want Pretty Hate Machine released on CD remastered, as my CD sounds like crap.


You realize that all the past music videos are in SD, right?

...but Jimby...even though the videos are in SD, the DVD could never provide both uncompressed PCM 2.0 and a lossless compressed audio (or u.c. PCM) surround mix (if new surround mixes have be done for the videos) - the BD can have this space. I'm tired of buying music video DVDs and listening to them in stereo Dolby Digital @ 192kbps. The low bitrate sounds like crap even if the content isn't great to begin with. It's not even CD quality.

Also, SD source material does look slightly better on an HD disc. As you probably know, no DVD is clean of technology related artifacts and they tend to show on big screens. The HD formats may have some quirks of their own but are less noticable. So I think a video release, despite having only SD resolution, would benifit both video and audio (more the latter).

...but Jimby...even though the videos are in SD, the DVD could never provide both uncompressed PCM 2.0 and a lossless compressed audio (or u.c. PCM) surround mix (if new surround mixes have be done for the videos) - the BD can have this space. I'm tired of buying music video DVDs and listening to them in stereo Dolby Digital @ 192kbps. The low bitrate sounds like crap even if the content isn't great to begin with. It's not even CD quality.

Also, SD source material does look slightly better on an HD disc. As you probably know, no DVD is clean of technology related artifacts and they tend to show on big screens. The HD formats may have some quirks of their own but are less noticable. So I think a video release, despite having only SD resolution, would benifit both video and audio (more the latter).


Having an HD-DVD or BD release of older SD content is extremely unlikely in foreseeable future for a number of different reasons, the biggest being financial. Hardly any of these videos have surround sound mixes, and the average public won't buy enough of this to make it financially worthwhile, especially considering the resources we have to put into making a release like this.

I am not saying it can't happen, but it's pretty unlikely. Cool idea tho.

Having an HD-DVD or BD release of older SD content is extremely unlikely in foreseeable future for a number of different reasons, the biggest being financial. Hardly any of these videos have surround sound mixes, and the average public won't buy enough of this to make it financially worthwhile, especially considering the resources we have to put into making a release like this.

I am not saying it can't happen, but it's pretty unlikely. Cool idea tho.
What kind of sales are u guys shooting for on this release? It already appears to be more popular than any other concert video on these two formats... and there has been quite a few.

You realize that all the past music videos are in SD, right?

That is odd, as all of the stores I go to say that NIN has never released a video collection on DVD before.

That is odd, as all of the stores I go to say that NIN has never released a video collection on DVD before.

They released "Closer" and "The Perfect Drug" on the Mark Romanek Director's Label DVD collection, and in December, Trent posted a torrent file of the entire 2-Disc Closure DVD on thepiratebay.org, which contained every NIN music video, tons of backstage concert footage, woodstock footage, and other live concert video. It's still there, available for download.

He also released "And All That Could Have Been" on DVD and VHS, which contained a 2-hour special cut of footage from the Fragility 2.0 tour.

So yes, plenty of NIN content has been released in SD. However, I'm pretty sure the videos for 'Closer,' 'The Perfect Drug,' 'Head Like A Hole,' 'Into the Void' and more were shot on film, and could thereby be released in an improved HD version. Additionally, the music video for 'Only' that David Fincher shot last year was filmed in HD, and could also be included. This video in particular would look amazing in HD given the amount of detail in most of the shots. On the other hand, most of the footage on the Closure DVD would not look any better in HD, as most of it is pretty poor camcorder quality. you can see the 'Only' video on the NIN website via Quicktime, at the following link:
http://www.nin.com/visuals/index.html

That is odd, as all of the stores I go to say that NIN has never released a video collection on DVD before.


But all the past videos are in SD. Whether they have released a DVD of past videos before is not relevant to the question. All of the existing masters are in standard definition.

We would have included an HD version of Only on NIN:BYIT if there had been an HD master available.

We would have included an HD version of Only on NIN:BYIT if there had been an HD master available.

Who is "we?" Did you work on the BYIT release?

Regardless, if there is no master available now, they can make one. The music videos would have been shot on film, and could be mastered in HD.

Or are you implying that the videos were shot with SD digital cameras and not on film?

No, they aren't. Re-read my post, where i just stated that most of the official music videos were shot on film.


Just because they were shot on film doesn't mean that:

A) those elements still exist
B) suitable for transfer to HD

Many videos shot on film are edited and posted on tape. It was not unusual back then (at least for music videos) to discard the film elements after the video was finished.

Even if you could find them, they might not be edited.

Just about everything was shot 1.33 as well. Going back ten years and trying located, clean up and do HD transfers for all of this stuff would be very expensive, and may not be possible.

As I stated before, the existing masters are in SD.

Just because they were shot on film doesn't mean that:

A) those elements still exist
B) suitable for transfer to HD

Many videos shot on film are edited and posted on tape. It was not unusual back then (at least for music videos) to discard the film elements after the video was finished.

Even if you could find them, they might not be edited.

Just about everything was shot 1.33 as well. Going back ten years and trying located, clean up and do HD transfers for all of this stuff would be very expensive, and may not be possible.

As I stated before, the existing masters are in SD.

Right, the only way an HD release would be impossible is if the film elements are gone. I find it hard to imagine that Trent or anyone else wouldn't have kept the film.

Another thing to consider is capacity. HD video and audio is not the only benefit of HD media. Capacity (specifically 50gb BDs) would allow for every NIN release that has come before to be released on one or two discs now. (both discs of AATCHB, both discs of Closure, BYIT, the hi-res audio remixes of TDS, etc, etc) all on one disc. People always seem to forget this 'feature.' For example, I'd gladly ditch my 14-disc "Monty Python's Flying Circus" DVD set if they released it on a single-disc BD release. Because there is certainly no significant video upgrading that can be made there.

Who is "we?" Did you work on the BYIT release?
He produced it!