Run! Don't walk to pick this up! This is the most incredible sounding disc available to date. I am literally having aural orgasms while listening to the TrueHD track. For those who are concerned about video quality, I can tell you it looks absolutely great. And unlike ATCHB, the editing is not "a million MTV cuts of inconsistant picture." The cutting is more smooth and natural. It feels exactly like it did in the pit, night after night.

For $17 at BB, you can't go wrong.

*sigh* i sure hope it gets here from amazon.com this week. Or i'm going to be an unhappy boy. All you guys posting about how great it is isn't helping either lol.

My local BB didn't have this yet.

still nowhere to be found in the bay area , GODDAMIT! I didnt order this online so i can go pick it up the first day and dont have to wait for shipping , this was a lesson :\

Finally found a copy at BB today! Can't wait to get home from work.

still nowhere to be found in the bay area , GODDAMIT! I didnt order this online so i can go pick it up the first day and dont have to wait for shipping , this was a lesson :\
Keep calling your Best Buys. Thats where I got mine!

Not only was I able to pick this up for $16.99 at BB, but with the buy 2/get $10 off, I was able to get it for about $12 + tax - great deal!!!


Now I just need my Sony BDP-S1 to be able to put out TrueHD :)

Keep calling your Best Buys. Thats where I got mine!

I just ordered from amazon , ended up paying 24$ with fast shipping but at least i'll watch friday :(

Man.... >ARGH. its nowhere ... I cannot find it anywhere, youd think in a city of 1 million + people youd be able to track this down but I hear that they didn't even get here... wtf?! I ordered one 3 weeks ago (pre order) but I don't expect it here this week.. argh..

Not only was I able to pick this up for $16.99 at BB, but with the buy 2/get $10 off, I was able to get it for about $12 + tax - great deal!!!


Now I just need my Sony BDP-S1 to be able to put out TrueHD :)

Is this an online or in-store special? Is it nationwide?

I should have mine tomorrow. Weee!!!!!!!

Is this an online or in-store special? Is it nationwide?
Both and nationwide.

Wow, totally insanity! Just got done watching the NIN disc, and all I can say is WOW!!!

Definitely my new audio reference BD. Absolutely impressed with TrueHD!

Here's to hoping you guys out there can get your hands on this disc. It's a total gem!

bloody canada...we don't see a release here until march 6th...aaaarrrggghhhh!!

bloody canada...we don't see a release here until march 6th...aaaarrrggghhhh!!

YOU TOO!!!?? Damn!!! Im so pissed off.. its not long.. but its long enough I wanted to see this thing on DAY 1... but no... Canada ALWAYS gets shafted with HD DVD and Blu-ray releases..... a lot of them anyway, 1 or 2 weeks after its actually out... I cant even find a few that I see on amazon.com.... bastards! ;)

This is the best looking and sounding disc I've ever put in my system. Truly awesome.

YOU TOO!!!?? Damn!!! Im so pissed off.. its not long.. but its long enough I wanted to see this thing on DAY 1... but no... Canada ALWAYS gets shafted with HD DVD and Blu-ray releases..... a lot of them anyway, 1 or 2 weeks after its actually out... I cant even find a few that I see on amazon.com.... bastards! ;)
Would you rather wait like the Europeans and Australians instead?

Nope..... but id like to have it when it comes in North America.. since we consist of the other half...

Just picked up the NIN @ BB ...

I'm running my PS3 audio thru fiber optic but decided to try the true hd audio feature...

While the std 5:1 sounds great I can still tell the difference running it thru true hd even without an HDMI connect...much better sounding...

I have an older Pioneer Elite VSX-41 and was considering goin the HDMI switch box route or just buyin a new receiver but decided to wait until more HDMI 1.3 receivers hit the market...any reccomendations for a replacement receiver are appreciated to...say in the $1k range...

What would be the explanation for the better sound with just a std connect..just curious...

I think you should say, "If you're a fan of his music, then run to Best Buy."

I could care less about NIN.

The audio won't change your world or anything, but it does sound very good. I remember a couple of instances where it was so clear it almost sounded like the music was coming from inside my head!

Its an amazing disc!!! NIN media is always great though.

Awesome disc..

I wish I liked the With Teeth songs more.. :(

Incredible production and attention paid to detail though. :)

I saw this show at Shoreline in Mountain View and it feels just like being there, minus the pot smoke and expensive beers.

-Brian

I could care less about NIN.

So ... you do like them then?

The phrase is "I couldn't care less."

The best ive ever seen!

Um, I just compared the BD to the HD-DVD and video is too close to call. But the TrueHD track on BD sounds better. No joke. You guys know how much I love TrueHD on HD-DVD, but this has a bit more punch. Is this the only TrueHD track on BR?

Um, I just compared the BD to the HD-DVD and video is too close to call. But the TrueHD track on BD sounds better. No joke. You guys know how much I love TrueHD on HD-DVD, but this has a bit more punch. Is this the only TrueHD track on BR?

Yep, first TrueHD track for BD.

Well TrueHD on BD has more bitrate than the HD-DVD; so that could be why.

I thought the VC-1 encoding has a slightly higher bitrate on BR.. So it has an "edge" with this and the instant video angle thing.

Read the FAQ..

Um, I just compared the BD to the HD-DVD and video is too close to call. But the TrueHD track on BD sounds better. No joke. You guys know how much I love TrueHD on HD-DVD, but this has a bit more punch. Is this the only TrueHD track on BR?

What players do you have?

Yep, first TrueHD track for BD.
Isn't there a jazz BD with a DTHD track?

Well TrueHD on BD has more bitrate than the HD-DVD; so that could be why.
The tracks are 24/48 on both the HD DVD and BD versions. The DTHD tracks should sound identical. The BD version's video bitrate is slightly higher, but the difference is nearly imperceptible, according to the NIN website.

Isn't there a jazz BD with a DTHD track?

Legends Of Jazz?

I like rock and did not like the cd of Downward spiral. Would this disc be worth a blind buy?

The tracks are 24/48 on both the HD DVD and BD versions. The DTDHD tracks should sound identical. The BD version's video bitrate is slightly higher, but the difference is nearly imperceptible, according to the NIN website.
While that is true, look at the specs for DD TrueHD. TrueHD only Blu-Ray has a higher max bitrate than HD-DVD does. That's why I'm sure it sounds better.

The TrueHD tracks are identical and from the same mix. Lossless is lossless. The only differences you may be hearing are upsampling or the way the signal is being handled in either the player or AVR. Bitrate has nothing to do with it since they are both lossless.

Hmmm, if lossless is lossless, then why does DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA have different bitrates for Blu-Ray (24Mbps) and HD-DVD (18Mbps)?

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php

Hmmm, if lossless is lossless, then why does DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA have different bitrates for Blu-Ray (24Mbps) and HD-DVD (18Mbps)?

http://www.dts.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php


Those are MAX bit rates as allowed by each particular format. Depending on the audio source, the bit rate can vary quite a bit. For instance 96/24 6 channel audio will probably have a much higher bit rate than a 48/16 source. It's up to the content producer to make sure their audio doesn't exceed the max bitrate.

BTW, when testing a lossless codec, there is really only one valid test, and that is a bit-for-bit comparison with the original file. If they are the same, the codec works and the audio will sound identical.

If the two files are not the same, then the codec is broken and is not lossless. All this talk about lossless codecs sounding "different" is just nonsense.

I'm gonna make sure that the levels are matched between the A1 and the PS3 and test it again tonight. But I gotta tell you, the PS3 has a touch more punch. But they both sound great.

This is definitely a reference disc. I can't call myself a rabid fan of NIN... I prefer the material from Pretty Hate Machine and my taste for Trent's music has declined ever since really. However, from a performance perspective these shows are top notch, and the technical quality on both picture and audio is astounding! I applaud all those involved! Watching this Wednesday night with my girlfriend was the best time we've had soaking in the home theater in a long time!

While that is true, look at the specs for DD TrueHD. TrueHD only Blu-Ray has a higher max bitrate than HD-DVD does. That's why I'm sure it sounds better.
See the comments from the producer of the disc (jimby_99) and Kris Deering.

While that is true, look at the specs for DD TrueHD. TrueHD only Blu-Ray has a higher max bitrate than HD-DVD does. That's why I'm sure it sounds better.

Like Jim said that has more to do with what the data transfer rates a specific format can handle. Just like BD can have a higher video bitrate as well overall.

Saying "that is why I am sure it sounds better" just comes off as solidifying your ignorance on the subject. If the same master at the same resolution was used on both and they are both lossless, they are identical. If you are hearing differences, it is in your playback chain. In THAT case, pick the one that sounds better to you in your system, but don't make the mistake of saying one is better than the other from a technical standpoint.

I think people get too caught up on numbers here and don't realize that at a certain point the numbers don't mean anything anymore. CJPlay talked about this before he went away as well. At a certain point with video you reach a point that no matter how many more bits you throw at it, it won't make a difference. Each video codec (and audio codec) has this and they will all be different. So just because one can go higher doesn't mean that it is better than another at a lower level, you would be comparing apples and oranges.

I would say over 99% of the people on these boards cannot in any way do valid objective reviews of any of these formats from an audio or video standpoint. I know I can't. My reviews on HD are subjective as I have no access to the masters to do a comparison with. What we have are opinions that are all over the place and I would be that the majority of them come from people with equipment that cannot take full advantage of the sources, is setup incorrectly, or don't even know what to look for in the first place. But this is always the unfortunate side of a public forum. Most of the people here seem to think that whatever they see is the best thing out, until they see the next thing :rolleyes:

Run! Don't walk to pick this up! This is the most incredible sounding disc available to date. I am literally having aural orgasms while listening to the TrueHD track. For those who are concerned about video quality, I can tell you it looks absolutely great. And unlike ATCHB, the editing is not "a million MTV cuts of inconsistant picture." The cutting is more smooth and natural. It feels exactly like it did in the pit, night after night.

For $17 at BB, you can't go wrong.

Totally agree. Incredible.

That "Only" video is wicked!

I also got The Downward Spiral and With Teeth on DualDisc. TDS includes a couple of videos on teh DVD side, one of which is the unxcensored version of Closer. I swear that is one of the best videos ever made!

Anyone else think Trent looks like a completely different person with his hair cut off?

I like rock and did not like the cd of Downward spiral. Would this disc be worth a blind buy?

I'd guess you would not like it if you didn't like Downard Spiral.

That "Only" video is wicked!
Agreed. The first time I saw it was on the new disc. It was pretty cool.

I also got The Downward Spiral and With Teeth on DualDisc. TDS includes a couple of videos on teh DVD side, one of which is the unxcensored version of Closer. I swear that is one of the best videos ever made!
I just got TDS too (to go with my new Panny.) The Closer video's cool, but for pure raw talent, I like the video for March of the Pigs. One camera, no cuts, played live. Nice...

How's With Teeth? I'm thinking about ordering it for the DVD-A side (can't get enough now that I've tried it.)

Anyone else think Trent looks like a completely different person with his hair cut off?
Yeah, it was jarring seeing him all diesel with a shaved head. It's especially odd when you watch the rehearsal footage and see him with his hair - he really does look completely different.

I'd guess you would not like it if you didn't like Downard Spiral.

Downward Spiral is like a aural work of art. You have to be in a certain mood to listen to it but it's quite incredible. Sort of like Glen Danzig's Aria.

Anyone else think Trent looks like a completely different person with his hair cut off?

well he bulked up as well. Maybe he quit drugs and substituted them with going to the gym.

Agreed. The first time I saw it was on the new disc. It was pretty cool.


I just got TDS too (to go with my new Panny.) The Closer video's cool, but for pure raw talent, I like the video for March of the Pigs. One camera, no cuts, played live. Nice...

How's With Teeth? I'm thinking about ordering it for the DVD-A side (can't get enough now that I've tried it.)

I switch my PS3 to digital bitstream and let those 7.1 channels just melt around me. Trent does AMAZING things with those rear surrounds. From what little I've gleaned from With Teeth, the surrounds aren't quite as active as they are on TDS, but they're still cool. There's only one video on it and we have a better version on the BD. As for the music, it's good but with two huge highlights, Only and Every Day is Exactly The Same. There's other good stuff on there but I have to spend more time with it.

well he bulked up as well. Maybe he quit drugs and substituted them with going to the gym.

He's got a football players neck now!

well he bulked up as well. Maybe he quit drugs and substituted them with going to the gym.
I don't know him personally, but it's my understanding that's exactly what happened.

I don't know him personally, but it's my understanding that's exactly what happened.

Cool, maybe we'll see a new generation of goth kids hitting up the gym!

WOW!!!! I just got my NIN HD OH MY GOD OR LACK OFF,.......It's like 1.24 am in my apt..I know the neighbors hate me and Trent.....This is a great transfer...My f113 is really working.I am just doing some quick demo..Got to agree the boy is looking healthy...

I have a friend who has a SD copy of a musical group call Underworld,which is also amazing,
I wish they would release it on HD...

Djoel

I love that Audio Set up menu - Boy this disc is really making me happy! :)

This disc is spectacular and makes you realize just how great Blu-Ray can be compared to regular DVD. I have the "All That Could Have Been" DVD concert video from 2002 and the video quality was always disappointing to me. The strobe lights and fog always created pixelization / macroblocking issues for me and the image just never looked crisp. By comparison, this new Blu-Ray of "Beside You in Time" is flawless. Zero artifacts. Stunningly crisp video. And the True HD sound is just stunning. "Only" and "Head Like a Hole" are going to be the new demo tracks when showing off my home theater. It's going to be extremely difficult for me to watch my old concert DVDs now that this is on the market.

Hmmm, I'm trying to play the disc in PowerDVD 7.2, and I get audio skipping every couple seconds when D THD is selected, but switching to DD 2.0, plays fine. I can play DTS-HD and LPCM just fine. Do I have a bad disc, or is it a PDVD problem? Seeing as how this is the first D THD for Blu-Ray, maybe they didn't test that properly. 7.1 for HD-DVD played THD tracks just fine.

Hmmm, I'm trying to play the disc in PowerDVD 7.2, and I get audio skipping every couple seconds when D THD is selected, but switching to DD 2.0, plays fine. I can play DTS-HD and LPCM just fine. Do I have a bad disc, or is it a PDVD problem? Seeing as how this is the first D THD for Blu-Ray, maybe they didn't test that properly. 7.1 for HD-DVD played THD tracks just fine.


I suspect it's a PDVD problem as the Dolby TrueHD tracks seem to be fine on standalone players.

well he bulked up as well. Maybe he quit drugs and substituted them with going to the gym.

Yepp... he quit the drinking/drugging and hits the gym daily.
If I remember correctly he went through therapy and rehab and the music reflects some of those changes (IMO).

I finally got a chance to watch most of the Winter tour - the visual quality was amazing.
The glass breaking effect on the curtain during 'Beside You In Time' literally lept off the screen, it was so 3-D.

For those of you with fat subs, this disk will destroy your house. I recalibrated my sub for this disk and its literally devastating. Wife is so mad. This is by far the best sounding live disk I have ever heard.

I suspect it's a PDVD problem as the Dolby TrueHD tracks seem to be fine on standalone players.
That doesn't surprise me, but what's weird is, that PDVD 7.1 for HD-DVD plays THD tracks just fine. They're going to be releasing an update here for PDVD soon enough. I don't quite have the luxury of having an HDTV, BD player, and an expensive speaker setup; so I use my PC.

Check out the NIN website for HD FAQs on BYIT. They give some insight on the alt angles available during 3 songs of the BD version.

For those of you with fat subs, this disk will destroy your house. I recalibrated my sub for this disk and its literally devastating. Wife is so mad. This is by far the best sounding live disk I have ever heard.

I am just getting ready to move out of a rental house into an apartment. I knew this was going to be a mistake. I guess I will have to get my sound fix in before I move. The SVS 16-46Pci needed a good workout anyway :). Too bad I won't have my projector until I move though. NIN at 80" or larger with awesome sound would have OWNED anything I have watched so far. Oh well, by the time I can actually upgrade to Dolby TrueHD I hope to be ready to buy a house. I will probably also buy a second sub for the system as well. Guess I better buy earthquake insurance. :)

and now a respected review

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time

Newbie here, I give up what is NIN ?

Nine Inch Nails, An industrial rock band.

and now a respected review

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time

perfect review,agree 100 %

and now a respected review

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time
"I will get this right out in the open, Nine Inch Nails has been my favorite band since about 1992." :p

This is my favorite BR in my collection.

March of the Pigs is nutz!

I just picked up this disc.

Incredible.

Highly recommend. :)

I just picked up this disc.

Incredible.

Highly recommend. :)

If you have SACD, I recommend The Downward Spiral Dual Disc as well!

The SACD and the DVDAudio on With Teeth and The Downward SPiral is just awesome.

The SACD and the DVDAudio on With Teeth and The Downward SPiral is just awesome.

I really wish for Pretty Hate Machine on SACD!

Can't believe the new disc "Year Zero" wasn't released in surround Hi Rez. Great CD though...

still nowhere to be found in the bay area , GODDAMIT! I didnt order this online so i can go pick it up the first day and dont have to wait for shipping , this was a lesson :\

I live in the bay and I've seen them here in Best Buy, Circuit City and Fry's. Which stores and areas are you looking at?

I live in the bay and I've seen them here in Best Buy, Circuit City and Fry's. Which stores and areas are you looking at?

Just saw a copy at the Dublin (east bay) Best Buy about 2-3 hrs ago.

I love this, And All That Might Have Been, but I still need Closure!!! I have it on VHS, but need BD!!!

I love this, And All That Might Have Been, but I still need Closure!!! I have it on VHS, but need BD!!!


I have Closure on DVD. Trent Reznor was gonna put it out on DVD but it got canceled so (IIRC) he released it on The Pirate Bay for free distribution.

I have Closure on DVD. Trent Reznor was gonna put it out on DVD but it got canceled so (IIRC) he released it on The Pirate Bay for free distribution.


are.... are you serious? what's the quality like?? dear god, i have to get there right now.

i never did understand why that was cancelled.

i'm with a lot of you -- nin is definitely my all-around favorite band of the last 15 years.

I haven't seen it in a few months but if memory serves correct, the music videos look like standard DVD. The home video doesn't look to hot but it's tolerable for free.

Disc 1 is 7.71gb and disc 2 is 5.94gb so make sure you have some dual layer discs when burning.

Well I just read on Wiki that the rumor going around was that Trent released the DVDs but no one knows for sure, so download at your own risk. I also read at IMDB that there might have been some legal constraints between Trent and his former manager and Trent didn't want to release the dvd for fear the manager would profit off of it.

not to take this any further off topic, but just to clarify...trent definitely did release the closure dvd as a torrent. on the fan club website, this is made very clear. secondly, there is still a chance of a real release in a few years once he finishes out his current contract...they are treating him like a very low priority. he owes them one more new album and then some form of greatest hits thing and he is done with them and is going independent...this will probably happen in 2009 or 2010.

i'm not sure if an independently released album has ever debuted at the top spot on the billboard chart, but perhaps nin can do it in a few years.

not to take this any further off topic, but just to clarify...trent definitely did release the closure dvd as a torrent. on the fan club website, this is made very clear. secondly, there is still a chance of a real release in a few years once he finishes out his current contract...they are treating him like a very low priority. he owes them one more new album and then some form of greatest hits thing and he is done with them and is going independent...this will probably happen in 2009 or 2010.

i'm not sure if an independently released album has ever debuted at the top spot on the billboard chart, but perhaps nin can do it in a few years.

He pretty well summed it up. The torrent releases were most definitely Trent, so there are completely legit. And I should know, as I have downloaded and burned them myself. They are both dual layer discs, so keep that in mind. They are also both very improved in quality over the VHS release. They also contain over 90 minutes of bonus features not on the VHS. Also, the same uploader (Trent) that released Closure released a DVD quality version of the Broken Movie, as well as soundboard recordings of Radio shows Trent did with Peter Murphy, complete with artwork. So again, it is safe to say that Trent is the mastermind behind all of this.

And now that the thread has gone completely off-topic, back to Beside You In Time. I must watch this Blu-ray atleast twice a week. It is just that damn good.