we all knew the change was coming an atsc tuner or no tuner at all well that time is now..

i know linking is not allowed but i cant resist.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5623571

i figure the whole tuner or no tuner thing was bogus but its true..

wallyworld is the first place i have seen that carries them.

its not surpising as i heard the atsc models are out now in florida.

i am going to check the local wally world tommorow.

It has been reported the chinese are in an uproar about having to pay the license fees for adding an ATSC tuner to their kit. This seems the logical solution for them. If the concept doesn't catch on they will be gone in 6 months.

WalMart is going to get TONS of returns on this item. I predict it will be pulled from the shelf in less than a month. The average wallyWorld consumer will have NO IDEA what no tuner means. This is gonna be funny.

Looks like another Funai unit.

It makes sense for folks that want to archive stuff from their STB, but I see limited appeal.

So much for "just like using a VCR". How many VCRs wers sold without tuners?

So much for "just like using a VCR". How many VCRs wers sold without tuners?

Are you positive it doesn't have a tuner? Although it doesn't mention anything in the specs, the front panel display is showing "CH 7". It also appears to not be a new model and originally sold for $98. This Post (http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=206349) specifically discusses recording from the built-in tuner.

So that's how stores will get around the FCC mandate - say the model doesn't have a tuner (when in fact it has an analog tuner). :rolleyes:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... lol.............

You could probably super glue a screw on cap onto the RF in/out connections. No tuner right? :eek:

I've always thought the whole no-tuner DVDR thing was bogus (or short-lived if anyone was brave enough to try it). After all, just back it up a bit. Look at all the people with STBs (with/without DVR). None of these people need a TV with a tuner, yet after all these years how many tunerless TV's do you see on the market. There's probably a couple, but out of the hundreds and hundreds of different models produced and sold.

bogus

Are you positive it doesn't have a tuner? Although it doesn't mention anything in the specs, the front panel display is showing "CH 7". It also appears to not be a new model and originally sold for $98. This Post (http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=206349) specifically discusses recording from the built-in tuner.

You are absolutely correct, it does have a tuner. For a look at the manual click here. (http://www.emersonaudiovideo.com/pdf/om/EWR10D5.pdf)


So much for following someone else's thread without reading!!

If you go to the Walmart link referenced above and use the zoom feature on the accompanying picture, you'll see there are also channel up and down buttons in addition to the channel indicator.

You could probably super glue a screw on cap onto the RF in/out connections. No tuner right? :eek:
Well if they do that, take out all mention of it in the specs and from the manual it could be viewed as a tunerless recorder. As was mentioned they will have a short lifetime - seems to me it's just a scheme to get rid of old stock.

we all knew the change was coming an atsc tuner or no tuner at all well that time is now..

i know linking is not allowed but i cant resist.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5623571

i figure the whole tuner or no tuner thing was bogus but its true..

wallyworld is the first place i have seen that carries them.

its not surpising as i heard the atsc models are out now in florida.

i am going to check the local wally world tommorow.


Only a matter of time before they release a dvd recorder who doesn't record :-)

The one at the url is a $58 model but it doesn't mention anything about tuners. Did they pull out/replace the internet listing already?

It makes sense for folks that want to archive stuff from their STB, but I see limited appeal.



If they will sell it to me for 17 cents cheaper without a tuner, I'll take two! I haven't used a tuner other than the one in my satellite receiver for 9 years. Don't need it, don't want it, and I'm tired of wasting money on tuners when I could waste it on something else.

If they will sell it to me for 17 cents cheaper without a tuner, I'll take two! I haven't used a tuner other than the one in my satellite receiver for 9 years. Don't need it, don't want it, and I'm tired of wasting money on tuners when I could waste it on something else.

I would have to agree with that. The digital cable box I use provides all the signal I need or want. I have not used the tuner on a VCR or my TV for many many years, and have neither used it on my DVD recorder.

Look at all the people with STBs (with/without DVR). None of these people need a TV with a tuner, yet after all these years how many tunerless TV's do you see on the market.

Umm, LOTS? They're called "monitors". (I don't necessarily mean computer monitors either.)

The "problem" is that tunerless TVs are usually MORE expensive than tuner-ful TVs. They're also usually(maybe always) high end.

BTW, just like the argument for "dvd recorder with hard drive", I think having an 'extra' tuner in the TV is useful. Though admittedly *at this moment* I don't have my TV's tuner hooked up (trying to diagnose cable probs)... even though I watch virtually everthing recorded, I still like being able to flip through channels in PIP or leave it on CNN as background noise sometimes.

I think the prob is that most people don't know that they can just plug the cable into the back of the TV and get the analog stations even if "they have digital TV".

I think the prob is that most people don't know that they can just plug the cable into the back of the TV and get the analog stations even if "they have digital TV".

Even worse - they don't know they can get HD directly from the cable.

Even worse - they don't know they can get HD directly from the cable.

Well, not all TVs have QAM tuners. My dad bought a big Samsung HDTV and it doesn't have a QAM tuner (nor cablecard slots)..

Samsung has something against QAM tuners - many of their models lack them.

Here is a new one that really doesn't have a tuner. Check out the support section there's a manual and a quick user guide.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/DVDPlayer/Recordable/DVD_R155XAA.asp?page=Specifications

I'm glad this was posted. I was actually just looking at one of these as a cheap short-term solution.

How is $150 a cheap solution? :confused:

While many sites list the Samsung DVD-R157 with an ATSC tuner according to the manual listed on the Samsung web site, it does not have a tuner - so it may be the first such unit.

How is $150 a cheap solution? :confused:

It's only $59 at Wal Mart.

It's only $59 at Wal Mart.
Are you sure it's that model? Not carried in the store near me nor the web site. Yea, at $59 it would be a great deal.

I just got one! LG DR787T. Havent even opened it yet, couldnt wait to share! Will write again as soon as I test it out.

Some Walmart stores still have the RCA 8052 DVR for around $100. I don't have a link but it is more similar to the Samsung 157 than the Emerson. i.e. it has HDMI, upconverting and can use DVD +/- R and RW media. I use petty generic 2.4x and 4x RW discs without any problem.

I've had one of the RCA units for a couple of days hooked up to a SONY RPTV and it does a great job for our needs. We use it to time shift network TV. It doesn't do a great job when set to cable scan but if it's set to antenna scan the SD picture is fine. We only have basic analog cable directly from the wall; so I just use antenna scan. All we get above 13 are shopping channels anyway.

A recorded 3 HR movie looks better on an old JVC CRT than the direct feed picture. Maybe the tuner in the DVR is better than the tuner in the JVC or the JVC is just showing it's age. I haven't spent a lot of time viewing the RCA recorder material on our RPTV but a 2 HR recording looked pretty similar to the SD cable feed.

BTW, our Sony RPTV does a great job displaying SD analog TV. My wife doesn't even see any difference on the Sony between SD analog and the QAM HD cable signal.

Wayne