My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...

[LeeB99]

So, this separates the audio and video streams, correct? How do you load these two separate files into DVDit? Thanks for the info...

Lee

[planetweckesser]

So, this separates the audio and video streams, correct? How do you load these two separate files into DVDit? Thanks for the info...

Lee

You can also use Procoder Express and Procoder 2 (would not buy that at the moment since Procoder 3 is about to be released with dual core, dual processor support and markedly reduced encoding times). Anyway, I use Procoder express and it seperates them into two streams - as Mozart Man has pointed out. Then just import them into the media bin and "drag and drop" on the timeline - very easy process. DVDIt Pro HD will not reencode the video stream but usually does the audio stream but this takes like 2-3 minutes for a 60 minute project - if you are writing to volume you will find the .m2ts file in the stream folder.

[MozartMan]

So, this separates the audio and video streams, correct?
Yes.

How do you load these two separate files into DVDit? Thanks for the info...
I don't know. I don't have DVDit.

I can tell you how DVD Architect works with authoring standard DVDs.
I have .m2v and .ac3 files with the same name. I load .m2v file into DVD Architect. Then when I double click on the thumbnail (play) button, DVD Architect load .ac3 file into the project.

[Phloyd]

So, this separates the audio and video streams, correct? How do you load these two separate files into DVDit? Thanks for the info...

Lee

Lee - you can use VRD to create the elementals.

IIRC it is the next option down from MPG PS - it is the one that says .mpv files.

It will create an MPV and and AC3 file - these should import into DVDit Pro HD.

You can drag them one at a time to the timeline (mpv first) and then the project is the same as you would have with an MPG PS.

The audio and video from VRD should be in sync - that is one advantage of using VRD to demux.

Glad you got it working with m2ts.

Am still chasing leads to see if I can get BDMV to work properly...

[LeeB99]

Thanks for the tips. I will try this out and let you know how it works for me.

Am I correct in the belief that the PS3 internal hard drive will NOT accept files larger than 4GB? If it did, then to me the IDEAL thing to do at this time would be to install a larger internal hard drive, convert your mpegs to .M2TS, burn them to a BD-RE and then chose to "install" them directly onto the PS3 hard drive. Then you could use the PS3 as a "video jukebox". Since you would not be "permenantly" burning data to -R media (simply using the -RE for the transfer) you wouldn't have to worry about a future firmware update taking away your ability to read the .M2TS files right out of the media center.
I transferred one of my .M2TS test files (about 800MB in size) on to the PS3 hard drive, and it works flawlessly...

Lee

[MozartMan]

Am I correct in the belief that the PS3 internal hard drive will NOT accept files larger than 4GB?

Lee
No, you are not correct.

I was able to copy 11GB .m2t file from BD-RE to internal HDD on PS3.
But there was a problem with the time progress bar (I didn't test this with 1.60 firmware though). Information screen showed all correct information like 59 minutes, 11GB, etc., but the progress bar showed only that file length was 15 minutes. File played all the way to the end of 59 minutes, but if you hit any navigation key after 15 min point mark video jumps back to that point.

I will test this tonight with 1.60.

[LeeB99]

OK. I guess that the "internal" drive on the PS3 must support large file sizes. I know that when I hooked up a 500GB external USB drive to the system (NTFS format), it was not recognized. The general concensus was that the reason why it did't work was because the external USB drive must be Fat32...

If the "after 15 minute" status bar/navigation issue HAS been fixed (I will hopefully be finding out SOON), then it would make good sense to upgrade your hard drive and set the PS3 up as an all-in-one HD media center. I understand that to a lot of you this has not much appeal, especially those with HTPC's. But personally, I prefer to keep the PC OUT of my theater...

Lee

[MozartMan]

OK. I guess that the "internal" drive on the PS3 must support large file sizes. I know that when I hooked up a 500GB external USB drive to the system (NTFS format), it was not recognized. The general concensus was that the reason why it did't work was because the external USB drive must be Fat32...

Lee
External HDD is the different story. It must be FAT32 and cannot hold files larger than 4GB. Some people on Playstation 3 forums were talking about formatting external HDD with UDF 2.5, but there is no free utility to do that (one program that can do that costs $100). I don't know the result of that talk.

[Phloyd]

Yeah I believe that the internal drive is EXT2 or similar linux-like partition, it is certainly not anything to do with FAT2 or NTFS. In any case it can support large files.

Will be interested to hear if you get past the file size 'limits' with DVDit Pro HD.

[plee]

So, this separates the audio and video streams, correct? How do you load these two separate files into DVDit? Thanks for the info...

Lee

You can use the Import Media function from the File dropdown. And what you just imported will be shown on the Media tab. Then, you can just drag them to the timeline :D

[Phloyd]

This could be interesting for people with Adobe 'access' :)

Reach the widest possible audience with Adobe® Encore® CS3 software, now included with Adobe Premiere® Pro CS3. With unmatched Adobe Photoshop® software integration and a flexible and intelligent workflow, Encore CS3 is packed with a rich set of creative tools for DVD and Blu-ray Disc authoring and SWF export to the web. Available for both Intel® based Mac and Windows® systems, Encore CS3 is the right choice for easy production of full-featured, menu-driven DVD and Blu-ray projects, on disc and on the web.

If anyone has info on what level of support this offers, please post here.

[plee]

This could be interesting for people with Adobe 'access' :)

Reach the widest possible audience with Adobe® Encore® CS3 software, now included with Adobe Premiere® Pro CS3. With unmatched Adobe Photoshop® software integration and a flexible and intelligent workflow, Encore CS3 is packed with a rich set of creative tools for DVD and Blu-ray Disc authoring and SWF export to the web. Available for both Intel® based Mac and Windows® systems, Encore CS3 is the right choice for easy production of full-featured, menu-driven DVD and Blu-ray projects, on disc and on the web.

If anyone has info on what level of support this offers, please post here.

I'm probably gonna wait to see on this one, I'll let others take the point for Adobe...my DVDit Pro HD wounds haven't healed yet :p

[Neo1965]

Neo,

Did you try HDPatch to fix 1088 stream?
Where is this located? TIA.

[Phloyd]

I'm probably gonna wait to see on this one, I'll let others take the point for Adobe...my DVDit Pro HD wounds haven't healed yet :p

Yeah. I hope we can work out what the problem is with Roxio authoring vs. PS3.

I heard that there are updates out for DVDit - not sure if they fix stuff with the HD side.

I heard that Adobe will have H264 encoding as an option - could be really interesting in itelf for AVCHD users.

[MozartMan]

Where is this located? TIA.
It is mentioned here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705146

the file is attached to the 1st post.

[LeeB99]

I loaded the separate "elemental" portions of an HD movie into the DVDit software, and the only way that I could do this was through the "pallete" window. When I asked for it to build the folders, it went through all of the motions, and even the file size for the .M2TS folder LOOKED appropriate, but unfortunately, there was no sound when I burned it to a disc!?
This is just SOOOO darn frustrating! It seems like BDAV's are really the only "reliable" way to make discs right now, and even then, they have SOME issues...

Lee

[BenjaminG]

Why is burning so difficult? I have been following this thread some time, hoping someone will figure this stuff out, however its just totally out of hand now. And very confusing to find information. Ive been through so many programs, and not once have I been able to create a usable disc.

So I have ascertained that both BDMV and BDAV will now work on 1.6 PS3's, but BDMVs created by DVDIT Pro wont play for the moment, for some reason?

[Phloyd]

I loaded the separate "elemental" portions of an HD movie into the DVDit software, and the only way that I could do this was through the "pallete" window. When I asked for it to build the folders, it went through all of the motions, and even the file size for the .M2TS folder LOOKED appropriate, but unfortunately, there was no sound when I burned it to a disc!?


You need to be sure to move both the video and audio segments separately to the time line - first move the video and then the audio to the next position directly below the video so that they associate.

I can't recall having the issue where audio is not there for DVDit in the past...

[plee]

Goddamnit. Why is burning so difficult? I have been following this thread some time, hoping someone will figure this stuff out, however its just totally out of hand now. And very confusing to find information. Ive been through so many programs, and not once have I been able to create a usable disc.

So I have ascertained that both BDMV and BDAV will now work on 1.6 PS3's, but BDMVs created by DVDIT Pro wont play for the moment, for some reason?

Yes, it is very frustrating because player playback is very inconsistant. I would not blame DVDit since it works on other players as far as playback. There are issues with DVDit but once you find the workarounds it works fine. Hopefully, the next PS3 update will allow \BDMV created by current apps. You still can do \BDAV for now with playlist or just copy your files to the HD. For now I'm just making backups of the files so when this all gets ironed out I can burn to BD-R :)

[Marc D Carra]

Just some more tidbits of information for you guys still trying to make this work. I took one of the M2TS files (about 17gig) from a BDMV that I made with MovieFactory5, and burned it onto a BD-RE data disc. The PS3 would play it (with 5.1 audio) but the audio went out of sync a few minutes into the movie. It was perfectly in sync when I played the BDMV, so it looks like M2TS playback of an entire movie may have some issues.

Another thing, those MPEG2 files that error out on the PS3 now, will still play if you fast forward just past the exact spot where you get a error. I was watching an Mpeg2 HD recording of Smallvile on the PS3 last night, and about 5 minutes in I got that error screen. I started the video over and tried advancing a few seconds past where I got the error, and it played the rest of the file. So the error is related to some sort of error it detects in the program stream. Once it passes that point, everything is fine. Very strange.

Marc.

[planetweckesser]

Yes, it is very frustrating because player playback is very inconsistant. I would not blame DVDit since it works on other players as far as playback. There are issues with DVDit but once you find the workarounds it works fine. Hopefully, the next PS3 update will allow \BDMV created by current apps. You still can do \BDAV for now with playlist or just copy your files to the HD. For now I'm just making backups of the files so when this all gets ironed out I can burn to BD-R :)

I agree - DVDit can make some very nice menus that work quite well but it is way too early to start making projects for distribution/archiving until things are settled - I wouldn't hold my breath on PS3 - they think they already support BD-RE version 3 (BDMV) so they are probably moving on to other things. When the next group of second generation players comes out - a lot of things will be sorted out - second generation of Samsung will not play DVDit - BDMV. If the Sony out in June-July doesn't then I think Roxio is going to have to rethink what "flavor" of BDMV they produce and perhaps adapt it to the new players. Except for us early adopters most people are waiting on the second and third generation Blu-Ray players before buying especially with the price reductions (Sony will be $ 600 or less).

[Neo1965]

If these tools work, it will solve one problem for the indies : authoring. By being able to cheaply generate and test menus and extras on the 25Gb or 50Gb disks, the indies can remove the biggest fixed cost adder for making disks. The software always takes time to catch up though --- I played with DVD authoring stuff, and they took a long time to be reasonably solid.

[Neo1965]

Just some more tidbits of information for you guys still trying to make this work. I took one of the M2TS files (about 17gig) from a BDMV that I made with MovieFactory5, and burned it onto a BD-RE data disc. The PS3 would play it (with 5.1 audio) but the audio went out of sync a few minutes into the movie. It was perfectly in sync when I played the BDMV, so it looks like M2TS playback of an entire movie may have some issues.

Another thing, those MPEG2 files that error out on the PS3 now, will still play if you fast forward just past the exact spot where you get a error. I was watching an Mpeg2 HD recording of Smallvile on the PS3 last night, and about 5 minutes in I got that error screen. I started the video over and tried advancing a few seconds past where I got the error, and it played the rest of the file. So the error is related to some sort of error it detects in the program stream. Once it passes that point, everything is fine. Very strange.

Marc.
Did you try videoredoplus first to strip out all errors in the stream?

[Marc D Carra]

Did you try videoredoplus first to strip out all errors in the stream?

Yes, ran it through the 'quickstream fix'

Marc.

[MozartMan]

I downloaded BDMV image from the link in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=829612

This is the result playback:

PS3 says it BDMV on BD-RE.
But when I try to play it says:

This is invalid disk (80029906)

Also I copied 00000.m2ts file to memory stick and tried to play it from XMB. It played ok but audio is down sampled to 2.0 stereo, not 5.1 surround.

And this with 1.60.

This is very frustrating. :mad:

[Ollie W. Holmes]

I downloaded BDMV image from the link in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=829612


Ok, got the same message with the PS3.

Then I tried the disc in my BDP-S1 with firmware v 1.55. Got a silly "Cannot play this disc" message, then the player proceeded to play the disc. It was id'd as a BDROM, even though I used a BD-RE blank. The audio works fine.

Next I tried this on my pc. Well, Cyberlink can handle this BDMV image burned to a BD-RE disc. I don't have surround sound implemented on my PC, but the faux "surround" from my 2-channel audio sounds about right, correlating with the titling on the video.

Btw, Fotis (generator of file), what program did you use to do the authoring? You should reauthor and force the video to loop back on itself, instead of stopping.

[Anthony70]

I downloaded BDMV image from the link in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=829612

This is the result playback:

PS3 says it BDMV on BD-RE.
But when I try to play it says:

This is invalid disk (80029906)

Also I copied 00000.m2ts file to memory stick and tried to play it from XMB. It played ok but audio is down sampled to 2.0 stereo, not 5.1 surround.

And this with 1.60.

This is very frustrating. :mad:

After much experimenting. I was able to capture HD video from my Sony HD Camcorder using Cyberlink Power Producer 4. I burned onto my BWU-100a Blu-ray, I tested and viewed on my computer also on my PS3 and to my surprise I was happy. Excellent picture and sound was great. Finally got my HD home videos transferred and playing in HD quality. My VHS home videos are a different story. With this I can NOT get audio. But Im still experimenting.


Marc D Carra, How did you send the BD-RE's Pony Express? ;) I know you said you sent them out 3/28, just to let you know I still have not received them.

Let me know
thank you
Anthony

[Marc D Carra]

Marc D Carra, How did you send the BD-RE's Pony Express? ;) I know you said you sent them out 3/28, just to let you know I still have not received them.

Let me know
thank you
Anthony

They are on their way as promissed. Shipping cross border always takes longer. Generally its 10-14 business days.

Marc.

[Anthony70]

They are on their way as promissed. Shipping cross border always takes longer. Generally its 10-14 business days.

Marc.

thank you :)

Any luck with your transfers? You decide to go HD-DVD instead of Blu-Ray?

[Marc D Carra]

thank you :)

Any luck with your transfers? You decide to go HD-DVD instead of Blu-Ray?


I thought I had it nailed with playable BDMVs and 5.1 audio, but I was experiiencing that strange image freeze in some 'flashing' scenes. This wasn't a problem with BDAV's so I'm assuming Movie Factor 5's BDMV creation was flawed in some way.
I've temporarily put my Blu-Ray authoring on hold. Future shop had a great deal on dual layered DVD+R media for about 75cents a disk. So I stocked up on those and have been authoring HD-DVDs on them.

Marc.

[Anthony70]

I thought I had it nailed with playable BDMVs and 5.1 audio, but I was experiiencing that strange image freeze in some 'flashing' scenes. This wasn't a problem with BDAV's so I'm assuming Movie Factor 5's BDMV creation was flawed in some way.
I've temporarily put my Blu-Ray authoring on hold. Future shop had a great deal on dual layered DVD+R media for about 75cents a disk. So I stocked up on those and have been authoring HD-DVDs on them.

Marc.

You can still get HD quality on a DVD+R?

[Marc D Carra]

You can still get HD quality on a DVD+R?

Of course, the recorded HD stream isn't converted or downconcerted in any way. If , say for instance the HD recording is 14 gig in size, and you can fit about 8 gig on a blank dual layered DVD+R , you simply find a good split point somewhere during the movie (I like to use a scene change as a split point) and put half on each disc. You end up with the full HD 1080i recording (in 5.1 sound , if applicable) on 2 discs with a total cost of $1 to $1.50.

Thats the nice thing about HD-DVD authoring. The players will recognize and play DVD+R and DVD-R media with no problems. It has worked successfully since day one. In fact, when Future shop got thier first batch of HD-DVD players last year, I brought a disc in that I made in anticipation of the players being released. I was surprised to see it spin up and work perfectly.

For shorter stuff like Discovery Channel HD recordings, they are usually smaller than 8gig and the entire thing can fit on one disc.

So to make a long story short, the actual type of disc, doesn't define the content that you can put on it.

Marc.

[Fotis_Greece]

Ok, got the same message with the PS3.

Then I tried the disc in my BDP-S1 with firmware v 1.55. Got a silly "Cannot play this disc" message, then the player proceeded to play the disc. It was id'd as a BDROM, even though I used a BD-RE blank. The audio works fine.

Next I tried this on my pc. Well, Cyberlink can handle this BDMV image burned to a BD-RE disc. I don't have surround sound implemented on my PC, but the faux "surround" from my 2-channel audio sounds about right, correlating with the titling on the video.

Btw, Fotis (generator of file), what program did you use to do the authoring? You should reauthor and force the video to loop back on itself, instead of stopping.

Hi, sorry for not looping, i forgot it. I encoded and authored this with the most professional and expensive software suite available and if this doesn't work with PS3 then what is there left?
By the way, what way did you use to burn the image?/

[Phloyd]

Hi, sorry for not looping, i forgot it. I encoded and authored this with the most professional and expensive software suite available and if this doesn't work with PS3 then what is there left?
By the way, what way did you use to burn the image?/

I think that Bluprint is the best bet (assuming that you used the other uber expensive authoring tool).

[Ollie W. Holmes]

By the way, what way did you use to burn the image?/

I used Nero 7, Express program, part of their latest update, which also does BD-R and BD-RE. I just picked image and selected the correct burner drive, and you know, burn, baby, burn. The first time I attempted this with Nero Burning Rom, the program balked.

As I noted earlier, Nero also sells a program that allows you to author a bdav disc with thumbnail chapter selections on a rudimentary menu page. I have not purchased this yet, because, like many others, I'm waiting for the introduction of Adobe Premiere Pro CS3. BDMV / PS3 compatibility does not look good from beta testing of the next version of pp:

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc38270

[zooyork26]

got a new drive same crap....anyone have any ideas what i can do??? there must be something conflicting with it

[zooyork26]

scratch that...this drive is burning Verbatim bd-r...so my conclusion is i got a bad sony BD-RE. seems fishy but why does the verbatim burn and not the rewritable. i hope it works cause i just got tired of it saying nothing and popped in -r :( don't wanna test
like this though

[Phloyd]

Glad to see you got something working.

That said I have Sony and TDK BDRE and they all work fine. Though it is still a small sample size :)

[zooyork26]

well ive burned 2 films now and both play perfectly on the ps3 1.60 f/w im thrilled

[Ollie W. Holmes]

scratch that...this drive is burning Verbatim bd-r...so my conclusion is i got a bad sony BD-RE. seems fishy but why does the verbatim burn and not the rewritable. i hope it works cause i just got tired of it saying nothing and popped in -r :( don't wanna test
like this though

Is your app erasing the bd-re before each burn? Try a quick erase, and if that doesn't work, do the long version (this used to work with dvd-rw's in the past). But I have also seen bad drives ruin a re-writable disc to the point where you cannot reuse them. Fwiw, I use TDK BD-RE discs, and have not had any problems yet.

[Fotis_Greece]

well ive burned 2 films now and both play perfectly on the ps3 1.60 f/w im thrilled
Are you talking about BDMV or BDAV?

[Phloyd]

Ok, a couple of positives today...!

Firstly I tested a second 'backed up' movie disc burned to BDRE and it works fine with the PS3 and Panasonic.

Secondly, and much more interestingly, thanks to Marc I tried an image created from Ulead MF5 and it also plays on the PS3! So, that is good news for a couple of reasons - firstly it shows consistancy between PS3s with 1.6 and secondly it is a much simpler title so I have a good chance to work out how it differs from the DVDit authored titles.

Lastly as expected based on other's results, the Fotis image plays on the Panasonic but not on the PS3.

Unfortunately my weekend is going to be busy but I will try to get some more study done on the images that work and those that do not....

[Fotis_Greece]

Phloyd, does MF5 accept avc/h264 files to be imported if it is already encoded according to BD specs?

[zooyork26]

i dunno but the sony bd-re doesn't write so im goona need a new one. the verbatims are flawless and im burning BDMV's using dvditpro 6.3 like someone suggested and bam mint :D

[zooyork26]

got a new sony bd-re same issue but the verbatim bd-rs work perfectly wtf could be the issue with that.. its a sony drive and the sony media doesn' work??? that just baffles me! maybe something about discs are diff whats everyone burning with for drives wise and version wise bd-res?

[Phloyd]

I am burning Sony and TDK BDREs with the Sony drive.

With respect to MF5, I believe it is MPEG2 only. The Adobe tool might be promising for AVC.

I can't be sure about MF5 since I do not have the software, just a single image that was created with it.

[Fotis_Greece]

Phloyd, can you burn again the image, but this time extract the contents and burn without the AACS directory? Or even burn only the BDMV dir?

[Phloyd]

Fotis, I don't expect the results to be any different (see below)

Tonight's experiments have mixed results.

For Ulead, I do have access to the VideoStudio10+ application (that still had BD authoring). Up until now I have not had any success with this software. It is interesting that if I replace the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files with the ones generated by MF5, the VS10+ tree now works.

So I can replicate the MF5 'success'. It is not a 100% success in my book because elapsed time does not work. The image will play on the PS3 and Panasonic with no elapsed time.

I should add that the MF5 image also plays with no elapsed time, so the fix makes VS10+ equal to MF5 in capability.

As for the Roxio tool, it gets really interesting.

If I replace the mux (00000.m2ts) with one from MF5 (or VS10+) I get a disc that will play (with no picture or sound) instead of the error on the PS3. This is interesting because it implies that the mux created by the DVDit Pro HD is what the PS3 is objecting to. The strangest thing is that if I press the display button on the PS3 I can see the elapsed time bar! Even more weird is that the same disc will play in the Panasonic with video and audio and no elasped time (ie, opposite result).

In any case, it seems that Roxio is creating a mux that in BDMV mode at least the PS3 errors out on. Simply replacing the 00000.m2ts file results in a disc that does not error out. The rest of the structure created by Roxio works fine (based on the elapsed time result).

So... what is wrong or different about the mux...? The mystery remains! :)

More as I know it.

[planetweckesser]

Fotis, I don't expect the results to be any different (see below)

Tonight's experiments have mixed results.

For Ulead, I do have access to the VideoStudio10+ application (that still had BD authoring). Up until now I have not had any success with this software. It is interesting that if I replace the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files with the ones generated by MF5, the VS10+ tree now works.

So I can replicate the MF5 'success'. It is not a 100% success in my book because elapsed time does not work. The image will play on the PS3 and Panasonic with no elapsed time.

I should add that the MF5 image also plays with no elapsed time, so the fix makes VS10+ equal to MF5 in capability.

As for the Roxio tool, it gets really interesting.

If I replace the mux (00000.m2ts) with one from MF5 (or VS10+) I get a disc that will play (with no picture or sound) instead of the error on the PS3. This is interesting because it implies that the mux created by the DVDit Pro HD is what the PS3 is objecting to. The strangest thing is that if I press the display button on the PS3 I can see the elapsed time bar! Even more weird is that the same disc will play in the Panasonic with video and audio and no elasped time (ie, opposite result).

In any case, it seems that Roxio is creating a mux that in BDMV mode at least the PS3 errors out on. Simply replacing the 00000.m2ts file results in a disc that does not error out. The rest of the structure created by Roxio works fine (based on the elapsed time result).

So... what is wrong or different about the mux...? The mystery remains! :)

More as I know it.

Phloyd - I am reading with interest the results of your experiments - I hope you pass on your results to SS Scott at the Roxio forum (he is out until the 9th). Maybe there are some minor adjustments that could be made to the Roxio software that it could play in PS3 without messing with it's playability in the standalone players. If you want his email address let me know and I will private it to you. He would have access to the proper tech people at Roxio/Sonic.

[Phloyd]

It would not surprised me to hear from SS Scott :)

In further news, good and bad:

TSReader does not like the Roxio mux either. It says that the ES stream is 'blacklisted' which means there is something not right in the ES/mux.

There is also a private descritor in the Roxio PMT that is not in the Ulead one (appears to be an English language identifier).

Lastly the Ulead mux has the SIT packets at 10x the rate of the Roxio mux, though I believe that the Roxio mux is within spec for this.

I imagine that the first item is the most likely cause for incompatibility and will try to find out what is behind it.

On the Ulead VS10+ front, I am having difficulty with larger files. I will poke around with that also and see if I can find out what file size makes it unhappy...

[Phloyd]

I made one last experiment using Ulead VS10+.

Since it does not do elapsed time, I figured a lot of chapters would make up for it. The Ulead tool has a nice auto add chapter that allows you to add chapters at any integer minute interval.

I am pleased to say that it works and even with no time elapsed you can jump to the next chapter with no issue. With no elapsed time you cannot you the time skip functions (it is almost like having an HD DVD! ;)) so having an abundance of chapters would allow some level of title navigation.

The only big issue now is that it seem to have trouble with large files. If I can find the workaround for that issue, I think it might be an acceptable solution (assuming the problems Marc saw with video using MF5 are not present).

[Schlotkins]

Hello all-

I'm a bit of a moron when it comes to all of this stuff and I'm a bit confused on what's going on. Perhaps I should state what I'm trying to do and then see how it fits in with all of the B*** talk. I'm basically trying to take transport stream files that have been edited in VideoReDo and playing them either on a HD-DVD player or the PS3. I have the files working on the HD-DVD player; however, I can't get a full size movie on a DVD-R obviously.

My question is: Is this working yet with the PS3?

Thank you,
Chris

[Fotis_Greece]

But still I think the problem is hardware oriented. Even if we suppose that Roxio and Ulead's software are a bit incomplete or at least not creating fully compatible images, my image comes fromm a totally different software which at its price point is not supposed to make mistakes. I am pretty sure it's all hardware stuff, the same like early dvd players had problems with home made movies but later gen players they all work.
And since PS3 acquired its BDMV abilities with a firmware I am pretty sure we will have to wait for improved firmwares to appear for all players.
Let's wait also for Sony to bring forward new Sony Vegas and DVD Architect software where I am sure they will author BD.

[planetweckesser]

As for the Roxio tool, it gets really interesting.

If I replace the mux (00000.m2ts) with one from MF5 (or VS10+) I get a disc that will play (with no picture or sound) instead of the error on the PS3. This is interesting because it implies that the mux created by the DVDit Pro HD is what the PS3 is objecting to. In any case, it seems that Roxio is creating a mux that in BDMV mode at least the PS3 errors out on. Simply replacing the 00000.m2ts file results in a disc that does not error out. The rest of the structure created by Roxio works fine (based on the elapsed time result).

So... what is wrong or different about the mux...? The mystery remains! :)

More as I know it.

I did do an experiment previously in which I took the 00000.m2ts from the stream part of the BDMV as prouced by DVDit Pro HD and placed it on a blu-ray data disc and it did play in the PS3. Would that tend to disprove the above theorem that the "mux created by DVDit Pro HD is what the PS3 is objecting to"?

[Phloyd]

I did do an experiment previously in which I took the 00000.m2ts from the stream part of the BDMV as prouced by DVDit Pro HD and placed it on a blu-ray data disc and it did play in the PS3. Would that tend to disprove the above theorem that the "mux created by DVDit Pro HD is what the PS3 is objecting to"?

IIRC, that has never worked.

In fact putting the Ulead mux in the DVDit file structure and not changing anything else results in the PS3 not showing that error.

So the error comes and goes with the 00000.m2ts file.

While I would not call it 100% certain, I am quite confident that the mux is causing the problem.

Now it is apparently that 'better' tools like Scenarist can create discs that work with the PS3 - note that Chronos was done with Scenarist. However, note that they also recalled a bunch of Chronos BDs!

It certainly appears that the PS3 is more picky about things than the Panasonic. Maybe it can be fixed at the PS3 end but I would like to see it fixed at the Roxio/Sonic end since we never know what the future players will manage.

[planetweckesser]

It certainly appears that the PS3 is more picky about things than the Panasonic. Maybe it can be fixed at the PS3 end but I would like to see it fixed at the Roxio/Sonic end since we never know what the future players will manage.

Add my vote to that!!

[plee]

Add my vote to that!!

Maybe SS Scott (on the technical side) can tell us why the Ulead mux seems to work while the DVDit mux doesn't. I think we need the makers of the players and software to get together and iron out the issues! :rolleyes: You would think they would have some sort of discussion by now...

[Phloyd]

There is a specification and PS3 or Roxio is not being compliant it would seem.

Whichever it is needs to be fixed.

[Phloyd]

Very brief update tonight...

It appears that the error thrown by the Ulead software is actually source / content related rather than file size related.

So I will mess with some other clips and see if I can find something that works with it for a good number of GB of content.

...

[Phloyd]

I can confirm that there is a content / source issue with Ulead Video Studio 10+.

I recalled that my MHD sourced clip muxed ok and have been checking out other clips to see what they do.

I am not sure what aspect of the sources make some work and others not.

[MozartMan]

I can confirm that there is a content / source issue with Ulead Video Studio 10+.

I recalled that my MHD sourced clip muxed ok and have been checking out other clips to see what they do.

I am not sure what aspect of the sources make some work and others not.
Do you run your clips through MPEG2Repair?

[Phloyd]

Do you run your clips through MPEG2Repair?

Certainly.

As of now I have had most success with HDNet and HDNet Movies sources.

MHD worked ok, and Discovery HD appeared to work but errored out some time into the mux operation.

I have had two theories - one being bitrate and the other being flagged progressive (like HD DVD, most movie channels broadcast flagged progressive) - of course it could be a bit of both.

In any case, the high bitrate true interlaced HDNet files work the best.

I really hope that Sonic fixes their software since it is much more compatible with broadcast sources.

Of course the Adobe software could also be a solution...

[Laura Palmer]

Is it just the PS3 that supports the BDMV format at the moment, or do any of the standalone Blu-Ray devices support BDMV and BD-R/E?

What about BDAV?

I'm trying to research this, but I'm not sure if all the information I'm discovering is old and has been patched up since. All I'm concerned about is putting HDV footage to Blu-Ray discs and getting it to playback on a standalone Blu-Ray device.

If I'm not too concerned about flashy menus, should I just author in BDAV format? Is that more compatible than BDMV?

[planetweckesser]

Is it just the PS3 that supports the BDMV format at the moment, or do any of the standalone Blu-Ray devices support BDMV and BD-R/E?

What about BDAV?

I'm trying to research this, but I'm not sure if all the information I'm discovering is old and has been patched up since. All I'm concerned about is putting HDV footage to Blu-Ray discs and getting it to playback on a standalone Blu-Ray device.

If I'm not too concerned about flashy menus, should I just author in BDAV format? Is that more compatible than BDMV?

Actually PS3 DOES NOT support BDMV fully (at least the "flavor" produced in DVDit Pro HD) but it does support BDAV. Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony (with new firmware upgrade) playback BDMV but not BDAV. The new Samsung (BDP 1200) will NOT playback BDMV (from DVDit Pro HD) but will playback BDAV.

I have actually personally tested the above out at my local Best Buy and Circuit City stores - using BDMV from DVDit Pro HD and BDAV produced in Cyberlink Power Producer (upgraded to version 4) that came with my Sony Blu-Ray burner.

[Phloyd]

Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony (with new firmware upgrade) playback BDMV but not BDAV. The new Samsung (BDP 1200) will NOT playback BDMV (from DVDit Pro HD) but will playback BDAV.


They really need to settle on what should be supported.

Do you know if the new Samsung has no BDMV from BDRE or just that it won't deal with the DVDit authored titles?

I am increasingly of the opinion that the Sonic/Roxio tool is doing something incorrect with the muxing.

It seems that Adobe will release CS3 during NAB, so we may see something interesting there. If I can I will try to get a disc authored using Encore if I get to the show and they let me try it out :)

[planetweckesser]

They really need to settle on what should be supported.

Do you know if the new Samsung has no BDMV from BDRE or just that it won't deal with the DVDit authored titles?

I am increasingly of the opinion that the Sonic/Roxio tool is doing something incorrect with the muxing.

It seems that Adobe will release CS3 during NAB, so we may see something interesting there. If I can I will try to get a disc authored using Encore if I get to the show and they let me try it out :)

I have read that some people have gotten DVDit authored BDMV's to play in the BDP 1200 but I don't think it was from their own video - from ripped files. Even though I don't use Adobe I hope they do work in the PS3 and other players if just to get Roxio/Sonic to work on their software so it will play in all players.

[audionewer]

i want to know if i download Hd-dvd movies, can i buy it to blu-ray disc or not?

[Phloyd]

i want to know if i download Hd-dvd movies, can i buy it to blu-ray disc or not?

For the most part no. The audio on HD DVD is not compatible with Bluray.

Also, the entry level Bluray tools only accept MPEG2 for the time being and most HD DVDs are VC-1.

That said, with the right tools and converted or replaced audio I believe it can be done.

[SS Scott]

well, you were waiting for me to chime in on this. If you are using DVDit Pro HD and you are experiencing this issue you can send me a private message with your email address and I will see if I can help you to get up and running with successful discs for PS3 and Samsung 1200 .


*****instead of PM'ing me, please go to the Roxio DVDit Pro HD forums (forums.support.roxio.com). there is a sticky post there with the patch*****

[zooyork26]

ok guys i got a bluray film its like a gig over the single layer disc is there any software thats easy to use or a guide to strip out unwanted stuff????? anyone know id love to know

[planetweckesser]

well, you were waiting for me to chime in on this. If you are using DVDit Pro HD and you are experiencing this issue you can send me a private message with your email address and I will see if I can help you to get up and running with successful discs for PS3 and Samsung 1200 .

They did it!!!!!!!! Burned a full project (69 minutes) with a main menu and two submenus (chapters) with motion buttons and motion background and it works perfectly in the PS3 (as well as the Sony BDPS-1 and on my computer with Power DVD Ultra). Congrats to Sonic/Roxio!!!!!

[zooyork26]

don't wanna have to wait to burn this and i refuse to buy a 50 giger for 1 gig extra :( anyone got a guide or an app?

[BenjaminG]

So whats changed with DVDit Pro Hd?

[planetweckesser]

So whats changed with DVDit Pro Hd?

You replace a certain .dll file within program files - rather simple to do. Don't know what it changes - perhaps that type of information is proprietary. The file is the same size as the one it replaces (somewhere in the neighborhood of 450 KB).

[Phloyd]

That is great news SS Scott.

I hope to test this ASAP. :)

[Schlotkins]

That is great news SS Scott.

I hope to test this ASAP. :)

I hope it works for you as well with the PS3 (if you own one). I don't want to shell out over $1000 ($550 for the burner, $550 for the software) and not have it work! :)

Quick question with the Roxio software: Can you use just that one program to go from ts file all the way to burning the disc?

Thanks,
Chris

[planetweckesser]

I hope it works for you as well with the PS3 (if you own one). I don't want to shell out over $1000 ($550 for the burner, $550 for the software) and not have it work! :)

Quick question with the Roxio software: Can you use just that one program to go from ts file all the way to burning the disc?

Thanks,
Chris

DVDitPro HD will not accept .m2t files as they come from the HD camera - it will accept .m2p (program stream) and will reencode them - the best format is to use elementary streams (.m2v) which can be produced with several applications - some of them are not that expensive and then DVDitProHD will accept them without reencoding. DVDit Pro HD produces it's own .m2ts - a transport stream that is blu-ray compliant.

[zooyork26]

noone knows how to just demux an audio track and have it back to orginal m2ts? there must be a way even if its little complicated and could be shown id do it please anyone

[plee]

noone knows how to just demux an audio track and have it back to orginal m2ts? there must be a way even if its little complicated and could be shown id do it please anyone

I believe there are some apps that will allow you to edit .ts files (probably check adobe, canopus, etc...). Since your file is > 25gb, I'm assuming your not gonna put menus, etc. so you probably don't need DVDit just a burning program to create a BD data disk.

[Schlotkins]

DVDitPro HD will not accept .m2t files as they come from the HD camera - it will accept .m2p (program stream) and will reencode them - the best format is to use elementary streams (.m2v) which can be produced with several applications - some of them are not that expensive and then DVDitProHD will accept them without reencoding. DVDit Pro HD produces it's own .m2ts - a transport stream that is blu-ray compliant.

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking more of transport stream files from a PC HD tuner card. Pretty much all I want to do is to be able to play The Office on my PS3. :) Is that something that requires DVDitPro HD for or is there a simple (and cheaper) way to accomplish that?

Thanks again for your help,
Chris

[rexdigital]

noone knows how to just demux an audio track and have it back to orginal m2ts? there must be a way even if its little complicated and could be shown id do it please anyone

Tmpgenc (tsunami) can demux transport streams from a tuner.

[zooyork26]

ok heres what im trying to do i got GI jane here and its like 1.6 gig over so im just trying to figure out what i can strip out to make it fit. i wanna keep menus etc all intact i dunno how hard that would be but if theres a guide i could follow or something... and the best software to accomplish it id be very happy for input cause ive never done it but done plenty of cce projects etc... so this is a new ball game for me any help in guides and exact names of apps would be great thanx

[Phloyd]

I don't think that you will find help in copying pressed movies on this forum.

In other news, I got a chance to mess with the DVDit Patch and can confirm success.

I found all clips that work previously still worked.

I have yet to try a test where I took an HDLite stream (1280x0180i), patched it to 1920, authored it and repatched back to 1280x1080i.

The disc plays on my Panasonic player but I have yet to see what the PS3 does with it.

With respect to preparing video for DVDit, I think that VideoRedo is the best option.

For shows like The Office, I have found that you need to insert I frames to make the video compliant and VideoRedo is the only app I know of that can do this.

I can probably write a short 'howto prep video with VideoRedo' if there is interest.

[planetweckesser]

In other news, I got a chance to mess with the DVDit Patch and can confirm success.

I found all clips that work previously still worked.



Unfortunately the same thing can't be said for the new Samsung BDP 1200 - I took my new PS3 playable project out to Circuit City and it will not play in that player. The same disc will play in the Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony BDPS-1(with firmware upgrade), PS3. Looks like there are different parameters applied by each manufacturer as new players come out.

[zooyork26]

ok i watched the film and theres so many previews i can deal without is there anyway to cut them and bypass right to the film i know dvds can do it and i also know this is alot diff but im wondering if i can cut some of these and keep the everything else intact??? any ideas please help

[plee]

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking more of transport stream files from a PC HD tuner card. Pretty much all I want to do is to be able to play The Office on my PS3. :) Is that something that requires DVDitPro HD for or is there a simple (and cheaper) way to accomplish that?

Thanks again for your help,
Chris

I think (not sure) is PowerProducer or even MovieFactory (latest version) might work but they only produce \BDAV.

[plee]

ok heres what im trying to do i got GI jane here and its like 1.6 gig over so im just trying to figure out what i can strip out to make it fit. i wanna keep menus etc all intact i dunno how hard that would be but if theres a guide i could follow or something... and the best software to accomplish it id be very happy for input cause ive never done it but done plenty of cce projects etc... so this is a new ball game for me any help in guides and exact names of apps would be great thanx

As you just mentioned "its a new ball game" so your leading the way on this one. It will definitely take some work on your part because the tools are not as available for HD compared to DVD so do some more research and try different apps...

[Phloyd]

I saw Adobe Encore CS3 at NAB and the interesting thing is that they demonstrated HDV sourced material out through the Adobe chain and playing on a PS3 so that looks like it will work too.

On the downside it seems that will be out late July time frame .. so not a solution any time soon.

It seems that DVDit Pro HD is the cheapest way to get BDMV right now. Teamed up with Video Redo you can certainly put The Office onto BD discs.

Also of interest (perhaps) is I saw in the LV Sony store some Sony BDR50 discs - not sure I have seen them before.

At NAB I was told that Panasonic also make printable media.

I spoke with some people at the Maxell booth who said that printable media is very difficult to make so that might explain the delays and high cost involved with printable media.

I also saw a La Cie external burner as well as a number of 'BD replicator towers'. All lots of fun.

[Mr_Bester]

I'll have to check tonight, but Adobe has a CS3 Beta for both Premiere and After Effects if you have your previous serial number. Encore DVD is supposed to be part of Premiere, so if you have a previous version, you may be able to test this out now. I will try to dig up my serial tonight.
Dug

[planetweckesser]

I'll have to check tonight, but Adobe has a CS3 Beta for both Premiere and After Effects if you have your previous serial number. Encore DVD is supposed to be part of Premiere, so if you have a previous version, you may be able to test this out now. I will try to dig up my serial tonight.
Dug

I believe if you look on the Premiere website they mention that Encore is not part of the preview package?

[Mr_Bester]

I believe if you look on the Premiere website they mention that Encore is not part of the preview package?

Sorry about that. I went to download at work the other day and noticed the other thing OnLocation(iirc) wasn't part of the Mac download, turned out neither was G5 support.
I didn't see the exclusion of encore.

[Arniem]

Can DVDit Pro HD be used for non linear editing? If so, I can't find the editing tools..am I missing it?

Alternatively, I can capture HDV from my SONY HDV camcorder into Premiere Pro 2.0, which saves the file as an mpeg-2, but if you "work" on it in Premiere 2.0, you can only export the movie back out as an avi. I downloaded Premiere CS3 beta, which seems to have the HD features disabled. It won't recognize the mpeg-2 capture files from Premiere Pro 2.0, and won't allow me to capture into it from my camcorder.

So, any suggestions on NLE software that allows output that can be used in DVDit Pro HD. I have a SONY Blu-Ray DVD burner, so the goal is to burn an edited movie to a BD-RE disk in blu-ray format.

Thanks

[Phloyd]

If all you are doing is cutting, VideoRedo can do that sort of thing.

I would not recommend it for lots of cuts, but it is certainly one of the best for working in the transport stream domain without recoding except where necessary.

I don't really know what else to recommend for editing in the transport stream domain - perhaps someone else knows of something?

[plee]

If all you are doing is cutting, VideoRedo can do that sort of thing.

I would not recommend it for lots of cuts, but it is certainly one of the best for working in the transport stream domain without recoding except where necessary.

I don't really know what else to recommend for editing in the transport stream domain - perhaps someone else knows of something?

I think Vegas, Edius, and Premeire can handle the transport streams. Vegas is the cheapest of the bunch...

DVDit doesn't do editing just authoring...

[Phloyd]

I tried the HDLite authored disc in the PS3 and it played ok.

The only issue was the aspect ratio, which was wrong.

That said, I tend to believe that in this case the HDMI is carrying 1280x1080 and perhaps the scaler in the display is not doing the right thing with the data.

So for now I am tempted to say that the HDLite performance may be more dependent on your display/scaler than the player, especially with more recent fixel pixel displays.

[TomWheeler]

I have exactly the same goal, i.e. to burn my own Blu-ray high definition movies using authoring software and an external Blu-ray disk burner. I have a Sony BDP-S1 with the latest firmware (1.5). I am considering buying an external Blu-ray burner and authoring software, but before I spend well over $1,000 to do so, I would like to know if anyone has successfully burned their own Blu-ray BD-RE disk from edited HDV footage and gotten that disk to paly back correctly on a Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray player? If so, what authoring software and what Blu-ray burner did you use?

Thanks in advance for responding.

Tom

[SS Scott]

Tom, DVDit Pro HD will do that for you with HD menus, HD timelines, HD slideshows, multiple audio tracks, subtitle tracks and more. You can get a bundle with a Pioneer burner at Videoguys for $995 or, if you have any old Sonic or Roxio apps (DVDit, creator, myDVD, record now), the "upgrade" price for that bundle is $869.

http://www.videoguys.com/dvditprohd.html

[Phloyd]

Be aware that some burners (I believe the Pioneer is one) do not burn BD50 discs.

The Sony, Panasonic and Plextor drives (and other Panasonic OEMs) will burn the DL discs just fine.

While DVDit does not support DL BD either, be aware what the expensive hardware you are buying in to could be limited to :)

[TomWheeler]

SS Scott and Phloyd,

Thanks for responding. I am looking into this carefully before I jump. I appreciate your help.

Tom

[planetweckesser]

I have a Sony BDP-S1 with the latest firmware (1.5).
Tom

Tom- be sure that you have the latest firmware 1.55. There is a firmware 1.5 but the 1.55 made the player capable of playing projects authored in DVDitProHD. I tried 1.5 and it will would not play the project only 1.55.

Here is the link to the download: http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?mdl=BDPS1&upd_id=2559&os_id=99

So far DVDitProHD is the only ballgame (if you want professional looking menus etc.) for now unless you want to spend 35-50K for Scenarist or Sony Blu Print.

[TomWheeler]

planetweckesser,

That is very valuable information. Thanks for letting me know. I believe that I have version 1.55 firmware on my Sony BDP-S1 but I shall certianly check and download the update and install it if I do not.

Tom

[Arniem]

Tom:
Yes, it does work! I downloaded a trial of Vegas (SONY), captured video from my HDV camcorder, which saves as an mpeg-2 having an extension of .m2t . I was able to do NLE in Vegas, render and save the file as an mpeg-2, again having a file extension of .m2t . To import the video into DVDit Pro HD, I found that I needed to change the file extension to .mpeg . The file imported fine, I created a menu and some buttons and was able to burn a BD-RE disk (SONY BWU-100A burner)which played fine on my Panasonic BD-10 blu-ray player. I did have to erase the disk before burning to get it to work; the SONY burner comes with Power2Go, which has a quick erase utility.

Hope this helps.

Arnie

[Arniem]

Very cool, Vegas Movie Studio Platinum (Vegas' less expensive sibling) also works the same way.

[pellucidity]

Are there any Mac users looking at BD-burning? With both internal and external drives on the market, but pretty rudimentary support, I'm curious what people have tried.

[Phloyd]

I am not aware of Mac tools currently but the Adobe CS3 tool set is expected to release on Mac (a first for Premiere and Encore I believe).

[TomWheeler]

Arneim

Thank you for taking the time to relate your experiences with DVDitPro HD. This sounds encouraging and I am looking closely at both the DVDit Pro HD software and the external Lacie Blu-ray burner which has just come out. I want an external Blu-ray burner becuase I have several computers that I would like to use it on. I am interested both in archiving my own home movie productions as well as for the larger data storage capability of the Blu-ray format.

Tom

[TomWheeler]

Pellucidity,

I have a 24 in iMac as well as several PC's and I woud like to use an external Blu-ray burner on the iMac as well as the PC's. Roxio's Toast 8 Titanium is said to support Blu-ray disk burning (http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/titanium/overview.html) but I have no personal experience with the program and I don't know to what extent it supports the burning of Blu-ray disks. The Lacie external Blu-ray burner that I am considering appears to come bundled with this software (http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10867).

Tom

[Schlotkins]

I saw Adobe Encore CS3 at NAB and the interesting thing is that they demonstrated HDV sourced material out through the Adobe chain and playing on a PS3 so that looks like it will work too.

On the downside it seems that will be out late July time frame .. so not a solution any time soon.

It seems that DVDit Pro HD is the cheapest way to get BDMV right now. Teamed up with Video Redo you can certainly put The Office onto BD discs.

Also of interest (perhaps) is I saw in the LV Sony store some Sony BDR50 discs - not sure I have seen them before.

At NAB I was told that Panasonic also make printable media.

I spoke with some people at the Maxell booth who said that printable media is very difficult to make so that might explain the delays and high cost involved with printable media.

I also saw a La Cie external burner as well as a number of 'BD replicator towers'. All lots of fun.

Thanks for the reply - I guess I'll have to look at going in this direction. I was hoping they'd just be a way to transfer the file and get it to play that way, but apparently not.

Thanks again,
Chris

[Phloyd]

I was hoping they'd just be a way to transfer the file and get it to play that way, but apparently not.


This is perhaps not the correct thread for that... you might find answers searching in other threads and forums.

I believe that you may be able to save the TS as PS (.MPG) from VRD and play that file but I am not sure of the limitations...

In other news, I finally burned my first BD-R (Sony brand) today and it was thankfully successful.

It plays nicely in the PS3 and Panasonic players.

Also I can confirm that BDR playback still works with firmware 1.7 on the PS3. In fact, the PS3 now autoplays the BDRs which I think is new. It may just be a setting though that is different between the two PS3s that I play with.

[pellucidity]

Thanks for the comments on burning software, but it does seem that as far as authoring goes, Adobe is the option atm. I guess I will have to roll my own, which will be a PITA

Please post comments on the Lacie, I'm quite interested in that drive.

[SS Scott]

That won't be out until July. If you want Blu-ray authoring with HD menus, timelines, slideshows and uncompressed audio you can have it today and if you have any Sonic or Roxio apps on your computer (creator, record now, myDVD), you can upgrade to DVDit Pro HD for $199.

[Schlotkins]

Do we have any more info on the next generation of burners? I remember seeing something about a 4x burner....

[Phloyd]

I think I heard of an LG 4x burner but now that I have bought one (a Sony) I have not been following hardware news much :)

I burned a Verbatim BDR and tested it with the PS3 and Panasonic - works great.

You know, in general I have found this BD writing to be better than CD and DVD writing for the early phase - remember when the screen saver was enough to turn your CD-R into a coaster?! :)

So far I don't think I have seen a bad write for BDR or BDRE (though in general I never verify the BDREs since it just takes so long)...

[Phloyd]

Most recent news:

I took a look at the Fotis_Greece image and have worked out why the PS3 does not play it.

It seems that the first two bits of each 192 byte packet are set. These are some kind of 'copy protection' bits. In any case, the PS3 does not like them both being set. If you take this image, burn to BDRE, extract the 00000.m2ts file, and zero the first two bits in each 192 byte packet, replace the 00000.m2ts file with the new one and burn that file set to BDR(E) it will play in the PS3, complete with 5.1 audio.

The Display shows almost constant 15 Mbps AVC video and 640 kbps 5.1 DD audio.

Have Fun!

[Fotis_Greece]

I guess you can use isobuster and extract the .m2ts file

[plee]

Most recent news:

I took a look at the Fotis_Greece image and have worked out why the PS3 does not play it.

It seems that the first two bits of each 192 byte packet are set. These are some kind of 'copy protection' bits. In any case, the PS3 does not like them both being set. If you take this image, burn to BDRE, extract the 00000.m2ts file, and zero the first two bits in each 192 byte packet, replace the 00000.m2ts file with the new one and burn that file set to BDR(E) it will play in the PS3, complete with 5.1 audio.

The Display shows almost constant 15 Mbps AVC video and 640 kbps 5.1 DD audio.

Have Fun!

Good find... I wonder if it's set then it must only on BD-ROM, otherwise reject playing the disk...

[Phloyd]

Good find... I wonder if it's set then it must only on BD-ROM, otherwise reject playing the disk...

Could well be. It could also be the reason that the Chronos BDs didn't work in the PS3 ?

In any case, it is a strange but interesting result.

[creator441]

Hey guys,

I just burned my first BD-RE with the Sony BWU-100A drive. i used power2go and simply made a data disc using UDF 2.5. The disc is unreadable in my PC now but I think that's because Windows XP does not support UDF 2.5. I'll just erase and make it a lower UDF standard.

My real question is this: it took 100 minutes to burn! I think 100 mins for a 25GB is the 1x speed rate? I did burn at 2x according to power2go? Is there a formware update that Ineed to get or what? I did not install the disc that comes with the burner, I just have power2go installed. Maybe that's it?

I know this is slightly off topic but this is still a bluray writer thread.

Thanks for any help!

[MozartMan]

I have similar issues with power2go. I think power2go is junk. I use Nero or ImgBurn.

[creator441]

I have similar issues with power2go. I think power2go is junk. I use Nero or ImgBurn.

Ok about the UDF 2.5 I got the issue resolved with that Toshiba UDF 2.5 driver for Windows XP. Works great now I can read the files looks like it's not a coaster! :)

Thanks for the information, I will check for Nero or ImgBurn then!

EDIT: Damn, I am using Nero 7 to erase my BD-RE disc and it'S taking forever again? It originally said that it would take about 48 minutes but now it's been at 100% for a long time and it's at 89 minutes right now. Looks like it's gonna take 100 minutes again :(

Anybody saw that kind of reaction when you erase a disc? I'll try writing some data back to it after but it may be slow according to what I read on this thread so far. Do you need to have an ultra DMA level compatibility on your PC for it to work in 2x speed or something?

One other thing, the light of my HDD access blinks at the same time as the light on my BWU-100A drive? I find that odd? It's always done that since I installed the drive but the drive seems to work fine (writing, read) except for the write speed so far. Anyone has that too? THe HDD does not load when the light blinks, it's just the HDD light access that follows the BWU-100A blue access light?

EDIT2:
Ok some more tests and info. First I started to write some new files on the newly erased BD-RE with ImgBurn and it showed my write speed as 0.9x, so basically 1x. Then, I cancelled that and wrote a 7GB file on the same disc using Nero. Nero said "writing in 2x" but by calculating the time it took to write the 7GB file it wrote at 1x again.

After that, I did some cdspeed tests and I did a "Read" operation in ImgBurn to test out the read capabilities and it went to 2.0x stable. So, it doesn't seem that my CPU's bandwidth is the problem? THis PC can write DVDs at 8x speed with no problem and that needs 11MB/s whereas writing to a BD-RE at 2x only needs 9MB/s. I am at a loss? This probably means my drive or the media is at fault? My drive makes perfect burns all the time but seems stuck at 1x. THe media I used so far is Sony BD-RE 25GB (BNE25A). It says on the disc that it's V2.1 compliant and in the instructions they say the BWU-100A is 2.0 compliant. I would think 2.1 you would be able to get 2.0x speed with this disc?

My drive is installed internally as the master on the secondary IDE wire.

Any ideas guys? Anybody else can't write at 2x on those Sony discs?

[plee]

Ok about the UDF 2.5 I got the issue resolved with that Toshiba UDF 2.5 driver for Windows XP. Works great now I can read the files looks like it's not a coaster! :)

Thanks for the information, I will check for Nero or ImgBurn then!

EDIT: Damn, I am using Nero 7 to erase my BD-RE disc and it'S taking forever again? It originally said that it would take about 48 minutes but now it's been at 100% for a long time and it's at 89 minutes right now. Looks like it's gonna take 100 minutes again :(

Anybody saw that kind of reaction when you erase a disc? I'll try writing some data back to it after but it may be slow according to what I read on this thread so far. Do you need to have an ultra DMA level compatibility on your PC for it to work in 2x speed or something?

One other thing, the light of my HDD access blinks at the same time as the light on my BWU-100A drive? I find that odd? It's always done that since I installed the drive but the drive seems to work fine (writing, read) except for the write speed so far. Anyone has that too? THe HDD does not load when the light blinks, it's just the HDD light access that follows the BWU-100A blue access light?

EDIT2:
Ok some more tests and info. First I started to write some new files on the newly erased BD-RE with ImgBurn and it showed my write speed as 0.9x, so basically 1x. Then, I cancelled that and wrote a 7GB file on the same disc using Nero. Nero said "writing in 2x" but by calculating the time it took to write the 7GB file it wrote at 1x again.

After that, I did some cdspeed tests and I did a "Read" operation in ImgBurn to test out the read capabilities and it went to 2.0x stable. So, it doesn't seem that my CPU's bandwidth is the problem? THis PC can write DVDs at 8x speed with no problem and that needs 11MB/s whereas writing to a BD-RE at 2x only needs 9MB/s. I am at a loss? This probably means my drive or the media is at fault? My drive makes perfect burns all the time but seems stuck at 1x. THe media I used so far is Sony BD-RE 25GB (BNE25A). It says on the disc that it's V2.1 compliant and in the instructions they say the BWU-100A is 2.0 compliant. I would think 2.1 you would be able to get 2.0x speed with this disc?

My drive is installed internally as the master on the secondary IDE wire.

Any ideas guys? Anybody else can't write at 2x on those Sony discs?

Have you got the latest firmware/software installed? Also, remove any other DVD/CD drives just to make sure there no other driver/conflict problems.

[creator441]

Have you got the latest firmware/software installed? Also, remove any other DVD/CD drives just to make sure there no other driver/conflict problems.

Yes I installed firmware 1.0e (latest) before trying my latest tests and it didn't help. I will try to burn a BD-R (Verbatim) and if it's still stuck on 1x on that media I'll try to remove the other dvd writer.

Any other ideas are appreciated.

Thanks!

EDIT: Hey guys! I did some more research on my problem and look what I found:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/sony_bwu_100a_blu_ray_drive
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=29&id=2146

Basically, both those reviews says they got 2x speed on BD-R and 1x on BD-RE. They seem to have used Sony BD-REs.

Now here this review:

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/review.aspx?CIaRID=4394

Says they got 2x speed on both BD-R and BD-RE using TDK blank media.

To make things more complicated that review here:

http://www.speedlabs.org/index.php?page=part_7_0_-_media_testing_bd-r_re

indicates that the guy had 2x speed on all the media except for the TDK BD-RE disc. Even the Sony BD-RE wrote at 2x speed! ???

Anybody can write in 50 minutes on a Sony BD-RE here?

Thanks for your support!

[influenceuk]

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[creator441]

1?

In any case, I finally found the reason why my drive burns in 1x. I feel a little stupid but the answer was in the hardwarezone review I pasted, I just didn't read it carefully enough:

"As cited in our updated Burning Benchmarks section of the article, we now know the reason for the slow writing speed of the BWU-100A. A verification process kicks in by default for BD-RE media and this effectively doubles the time taken to write a BD-RE, making it appear to 'burn' at 1x speed. However, this applies only to data files and you could still burn video files at the maximum specified 2x speed. There seems to be no way of disabling this function for BD-RE media, though on the other hand, one could enable it for BD-R or when burning video files too."

The thing is, for me, even BD-R goes in 1x mode! I just burned my first BD-R with Nero 7 expecting 2x speed and again I had 1x speed. It seems this drive is being extra careful when it writes but then why say it's a 2x drive?

In any case, I am currently erasing a disc using ImgBurn and it finally works, it's erasing at 2x. I did it by selecting the "DVD-RAM/BD-RE fastwrite" option in the "write" panel of ImgBurn settings.

Maybe ImgBurn burns BD-R media with fastwrite by default but Nero 7 still burned the stuff at 1x which is a mystery to me.

Maybe you guys have few problems with your write speed because you seem to be concentrating in making video discs and video is not affected by that auto verification process according to Sony.

[UxiSXRD]

I've been considering the BWU-100A as I can get a good price on it (~400$). I've just reread through this whole thread this morning and afternoon (in between work)... is there a consensus on whether BDMV/BDAV could be used to make playable HD movies with 5.1+ surround on the PS3?

[Phloyd]

Basically, both those reviews says they got 2x speed on BD-R and 1x on BD-RE. They seem to have used Sony BD-REs.


This is pretty much what I get also.

I have not looked into making changes to get faster writing to BDRE.

I would be interested to hear if it can be done though since BDRE writing takes forever on a full disc! :)

[Phloyd]

is there a consensus on whether BDMV/BDAV could be used to make playable HD movies with 5.1+ surround on the PS3?

I have confirmed that BDMV authored discs work just fine with 5.1 on the PS3 - just like a pressed one. Conceptually, if you had tools to author other codecs (video (VC1/AVC) and audio (DTS/LPCM)) they should work with the PS3 (I managed to get the Fotis image to work on PS3 with AVC video for example). Also 'fair use backups' of pressed discs play just like the originals.

The PS3 certainly seems to be one of the more picky players out there. But when it plays, it plays just fine.

Currently I would recommend DVDit Pro HD with the PS3 patch for MPEG2 and 384 kbps 5.1 (as is usually broadcast) though I would add that this software is far from bug free... It is mostly usable though.

[creator441]

This is pretty much what I get also.

I have not looked into making changes to get faster writing to BDRE.

I would be interested to hear if it can be done though since BDRE writing takes forever on a full disc! :)

I tested erasing a disc yesterday night with the fastwrite option on and it worked. Tonight, I tested burning data on a BD-RE using the same option in ImgBurn and it worked! I filled a 25GB Sony BD-RE disc to the brim (720KB free space left!) and it took 45 minutes and 23 seconds to burn the entire disc! That's more like it.

I didn't test if you can do that with other burning programs yet but my guess would be no. I suggest that if you want to burn data files that you either make an ISO image with the other software and burn the image with ImgBurn or use ImgBurn's "build" tab to write the data files. You can't create folders though. ImgBurn requires that all your files on the HDD be in the correct directory tree to begin with.

Here's a picture of ImgBurn's settings panel. Activate the FastWrite option!

http://pages.videotron.com/creator/Snap1.jpg

This deactivates the drive's internal verifying process which slows down everything to 1x speed. My disc seems to be fine even without that process. I did a full check of the disc with ImgBurn after burning it and it's fine.

I must lift my hat to ImgBurn's creator. This program is pretty much superior to Nero and all the other costy software and it's free too!

I need to test that with BD-R media next because, for me, even a BD-R would go to 1x when I tested it.

Hope this helps!

[plee]

I tested erasing a disc yesterday night with the fastwrite option on and it worked. Tonight, I tested burning data on a BD-RE using the same option in ImgBurn and it worked! I filled a 25GB Sony BD-RE disc to the brim (720KB free space left!) and it took 45 minutes and 23 seconds to burn the entire disc! That's more like it.

I didn't test if you can do that with other burning programs yet but my guess would be no. I suggest that if you want to burn data files that you either make an ISO image with the other software and burn the image with ImgBurn or use ImgBurn's "build" tab to write the data files. You can't create folders though. ImgBurn requires that all your files on the HDD be in the correct directory tree to begin with.

Here's a picture of ImgBurn's settings panel. Activate the FastWrite option!

http://pages.videotron.com/creator/Snap1.jpg

This deactivates the drive's internal verifying process which slows down everything to 1x speed. My disc seems to be fine even without that process. I did a full check of the disc with ImgBurn after burning it and it's fine.

I must lift my hat to ImgBurn's creator. This program is pretty much superior to Nero and all the other costy software and it's free too!

I need to test that with BD-R media next because, for me, even a BD-R would go to 1x when I tested it.

Hope this helps!

I would think it's simular to verify for CD/DVD, most of the time you don't have it on because of the slower writing but for a valuable disk it might be just "safe of mind" to have it on.

[creator441]

I would think it's simular to verify for CD/DVD, most of the time you don't have it on because of the slower writing but for a valuable disk it might be just "safe of mind" to have it on.

Well I never used verify in my life so I don't know what it does on DVD burning but for the BWU-100A, it seems there is an additionnal verifying step inside the drive itself and you can only turn it off by using the fastwrite option in ImgBurn. Seems like another layer of verification ABOVE the one normally done by the burning software. If you look at the description that ImgBurn's instructions gives of the option they say just that. They say it disables the drive's internal verification process and let the software decide.

No way will i wait 100 minutes to burn a disc I know will burn just fine at 2x (it's a 2x drive and a 2x media) but that's just me. It's even more true for BD-RE media imho.

[Phloyd]

Thanks for the info.

Yeah, for BDRE I generally don't care if there is a small error here or there since I will probably erase it and write something else soon after...

For BD-R I and DVD-R I always verify, just to be sure...

BDRE is usually just a test burn to prove that a given image plays in the various players before I commit to BD-R.

[plee]

Well I never used verify in my life so I don't know what it does on DVD burning but for the BWU-100A, it seems there is an additionnal verifying step inside the drive itself and you can only turn it off by using the fastwrite option in ImgBurn. Seems like another layer of verification ABOVE the one normally done by the burning software. If you look at the description that ImgBurn's instructions gives of the option they say just that. They say it disables the drive's internal verification process and let the software decide.

No way will i wait 100 minutes to burn a disc I know will burn just fine at 2x (it's a 2x drive and a 2x media) but that's just me. It's even more true for BD-RE media imho.

I believe all the verify for cd/dvd is to burn the track then read it to verify the data has been correctly written. So it does slow it down, again I think this is a simular thing for Blu-ray...

[Laura Palmer]

Has anyone been able to test playback on a Samsung BDP-1200? I want this to be my first Blu-Ray player however I want to make SURE that I'll be able to author Blu-Ray discs at 1080/24P from my Sony BWU100A in BDMV format and have them playback 100% well from the Samsung BDP-1200. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking, cause that Samsung unit looks perfect.

[SS Scott]

Right now, that is one of the few BD players that DVDit Pro HD discs are not working with. Here is the current compatability list:

Player

Playstation 3 (1.6 + DVDit patch) ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Sony BDP-S1 (1.55) ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R (when AACS folder is removed)

Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Samsung BD-P 1000 (1.0 firmware) ------- BD-R, BD-RE

Samsung BD-P 1200 ------- BD-R (mixed results - could be certain media that works)

Panasonic DMP-BD10 ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R

Philips BDP9000 ------- unknown

LG BH-100 ------- no

[Phloyd]

Sony BDP-S1 (1.55) ------- BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R (when AACS folder is removed)


That is interesting for the 'red laser' BD compatibility.

It will be interesting to see if the 'A' version of the Panasonic player still supports 'red laser' BD.

I have also held off on upgrading my Panasonic firmware until I am sure that I won't lose BD on DVD-R support...! :)

If anyone can confirm that the Panasonic player with TrueHD support still supports BD images on DVD-R, that would help me towards making that firmware upgrade ...

[Phloyd]

Short news - maybe not very interesting :)

I found a way to get the 'true' write speed and it seems that the Sony writer writes BD-R at 1.9x and BD-RE at 1.3x.

Not yet found a way with the tools I have to make the BD-RE go faster... but that's ok for now :) It is interesting that it is a little higher than 1.0x....

[creator441]

Short news - maybe not very interesting :)

I found a way to get the 'true' write speed and it seems that the Sony writer writes BD-R at 1.9x and BD-RE at 1.3x.

Not yet found a way with the tools I have to make the BD-RE go faster... but that's ok for now :) It is interesting that it is a little higher than 1.0x....

Didn't you try my trick with imgBurn? I get full constant 2.0x speed on a BD-RE. I didn't test on a BD-R yet but it should be the same.

I used a Sony BD-RE disc that had been written onto multiple times already (not new).

Also, is your drive installed internally on IDE or in an USB external enclosure?

Finally, what drive are you using and what firmware? I have the Sony BWU-100A and the latest firmware from Sony.

[Phloyd]

Didn't you try my trick with imgBurn? I get full constant 2.0x speed on a BD-RE. I didn't test on a BD-R yet but it should be the same.

I used a Sony BD-RE disc that had been written onto multiple times already (not new).

Also, is your drive installed internally on IDE or in an USB external enclosure?

Finally, what drive are you using and what firmware? I have the Sony BWU-100A and the latest firmware from Sony.

I don't think I have imgBurn (unless it came with the drive).

The drive is internal - not updated the firmware that I can recall. It might be useful to do the firmware update.

[creator441]

I don't think I have imgBurn (unless it came with the drive).

The drive is internal - not updated the firmware that I can recall. It might be useful to do the firmware update.

ImgBurn is free. Just download it and try it out:

http://www.imgburn.com/

You should get full 2.0x speed with the above trick i mentioned.

[Phloyd]

Cool - thanks.

Does it have a verify function also (verify after write)?

I will definitely take a look at this...

Edit: It does appear to have verify functions - looks great!

[CKNA]

That is interesting for the 'red laser' BD compatibility.

It will be interesting to see if the 'A' version of the Panasonic player still supports 'red laser' BD.

I have also held off on upgrading my Panasonic firmware until I am sure that I won't lose BD on DVD-R support...! :)

If anyone can confirm that the Panasonic player with TrueHD support still supports BD images on DVD-R, that would help me towards making that firmware upgrade ...


Yes the firmware fully supports DVD-R HD. New player will play it also as Panasonic makes HD camcorders that use DVD-R.

[Brajesh]

Guys, I haven't been able to follow this thread for a while & now it's 14 pages! Can someone sum up what the best method for creating red-laser [DVD media] hi-def discs is for the PS3?

Previously, I was simply dropping the MPGs on DVD-Rs and playing them fine on the PS3. Only that 5.1 audio got downmixed to 2.1. Is this still happening w/the latest firmware? Is there a better method for authoring hi-def discs for the PS3? Thanks.

[creator441]

Cool - thanks.

Does it have a verify function also (verify after write)?

I will definitely take a look at this...

Edit: It does appear to have verify functions - looks great!

Yep, it does have a standard verify after write option. The other "internal" verification procedure was made during the writing on the disc I think. That can only be taken out by using the "fastwrite" option in ImgBurn from what I know so far.

Tell me if you get full 2.0x speed with ImgBurn and fastwrite to on. I am curious.

[Phloyd]

I found ImgBurn to work great.

The only downside is having to make the image first, where other tools will make the UDF2.5 on the fly.

That said, the time saving is still better doing a 2.0x burn.

I didn't realise this was a 'replacement' for DVD Decrypter - I used to use that all the time to burn images to DVDR.

All in all a great tool. Thanks for the pointer.

To be clear, I am getting 2.0x on BDRE and the verify works just great for BDR. So I am very happy.

[Phloyd]

Can someone sum up what the best method for creating red-laser [DVD media] hi-def discs is for the PS3?


The PS3 doesn't have a lot of support for BD images on DVD-R. Sometime the 00000.m2ts file can be played ok, but I gather that larger files (maybe > 4GB?) don't work right.

I have been primarily focused on BDR(E) authoring so perhaps someone else has better or more complete information...

[Laura Palmer]

With the new firmware updates for the BD-P1200 and the BDPS1, is BDMV compatibility any better? Or are most people still burning BDAV?

Also, now that the PS3 will support video streaming over the LAN connection, do you think it can stream files > 4GB?

[Brajesh]

I've never had issues w/the PS3 playing MPGs larger than 4GB on SL or DL DVD media. The issue was the 5.1 to 2.1 downmix.

[Phloyd]

The issue was with the 00000.m2ts files, which I kind of think was an unintended feature in the first place (or an afterthought feature).

In any case, BD on BDR(E) works fine on the PS3 as long as the discs are authored properly.

[MozartMan]

I've never had issues w/the PS3 playing MPGs larger than 4GB on SL or DL DVD media. The issue was the 5.1 to 2.1 downmix.
Yes, I also was able to play MPG files more than 4GB, but time progress bar was not going beyond the point of 4GB, and there was no navigation ability.

Today, after upgrading to 1.80, I burned 10GB MPG file on BD-RE, and to my surprise, time progress bar showed 2:14 (two hours fourteen minutes)!!!!!!

Sound is still down mixed to 2.0

[creator441]

I found ImgBurn to work great.

The only downside is having to make the image first, where other tools will make the UDF2.5 on the fly.

That said, the time saving is still better doing a 2.0x burn.

I didn't realise this was a 'replacement' for DVD Decrypter - I used to use that all the time to burn images to DVDR.

All in all a great tool. Thanks for the pointer.

To be clear, I am getting 2.0x on BDRE and the verify works just great for BDR. So I am very happy.

Nice to hear! Happy to help! Yeah, it's the same creator as DVD Decrypter. He made that tool and removed the decrypting part because of the law problem so ImgBurn is now 100% legal.

[Phloyd]

Today, after upgrading to 1.80, I burned 10GB MPG file on BD-RE, and to my surprise, time progress bar showed 2:14 (two hours fourteen minutes)!!!!!!


That is interesting.

I will try to check some time if the same is true for m2ts files.

[Laura Palmer]

Yes, I also was able to play MPG files more than 4GB, but time progress bar was not going beyond the point of 4GB, and there was no navigation ability.

Today, after upgrading to 1.80, I burned 10GB MPG file on BD-RE, and to my surprise, time progress bar showed 2:14 (two hours fourteen minutes)!!!!!!

Sound is still down mixed to 2.0


I just bought a PS3 and would like to archive HD MPEG-2 footage from my HVR-V1U camcorder and am wondering what the best workflow would be. I don't own the PS3 for games, so I'm thinking I may as well use that 60GB hard drive to store a bunch of video, however... what happens if I throw a 10GB file on its hard drive. Will it just not play past a certain point? Or will it not even allow me to copy it?

I understand FW1.80 resolved quite a bit but am I still required to copy the MPEG-2 files to an optical disc and run them from there? Also, what if I got an external drive for my PS3. I know I need to format it in FAT32 and not NTFS, but does that mean my files can be no larger than 4GB on any hard drive?

[MozartMan]

I just bought a PS3 and would like to archive HD MPEG-2 footage from my HVR-V1U camcorder and am wondering what the best workflow would be. I don't own the PS3 for games, so I'm thinking I may as well use that 60GB hard drive to store a bunch of video, however... what happens if I throw a 10GB file on its hard drive. Will it just not play past a certain point? Or will it not even allow me to copy it?
I understand FW1.80 resolved quite a bit but am I still required to copy the MPEG-2 files to an optical disc and run them from there? Also, what if I got an external drive for my PS3. I know I need to format it in FAT32 and not NTFS, but does that mean my files can be no larger than 4GB on any hard drive?
Hi Laura,

I have Sony HDR-HC1 HDV camcorder. Here is my workflow:
1. I transfer video from HC1 to PC via firewire and get .m2t file around 12GB for one hour of video.
2. I burn that .m2t file to BD-RE disk with my Blu-ray PC burner in UDF 2.50 format using Nero.
3. I put that BD-RE disk into PS3 and copy that 12GB file to PS3 internal hard drive. You can do that because PS3 internal HDD has proprietary format and can store files more than 4GB in size.
4. PS3 play .m2t HDV files perfectly.

Firmware 1.80 resolved navigation bugs, so all navigation functions work for the whole file.

If you don’t have blu-ray PC burner, you can try network, DLNA feature.

External hard drive must be FAT32, period. This means you have 4GB file size limit.

I hope I answered all your questions.

[Laura Palmer]

Thank you so much. That clears things up greatly.

And I happen to have a BWU100A burner already, so I guess I'll just pick up a BDRE disc :)

I guess I got confused mostly because USB connected hard drives only support FAT 32 so I assumed the internal hard drive was also that way. I didn't know it was a proprietary Sony file system.... so that's great news that I can playback ~ 15gb files from the hard drive. Now I'm glad I got the 60GB model!

[Schlotkins]

Darn, you guys are lucky with your PS3s. I take a TS file I recorded for the office, change the extension to mpg and I always get some long numeric error message (800xxxxxx something)... I'm still trying to get these things to play without resorting to authoring an entire BD-R(E).

Chris

[MozartMan]

Darn, you guys are lucky with your PS3s. I take a TS file I recorded for the office, change the extension to mpg and I always get some long numeric error message (800xxxxxx something)... I'm still trying to get these things to play without resorting to authoring an entire BD-R(E).

Chris
Schlotkins,

Yes, that is famous error message:

"This video cannot be played. (80028818)"

Try TsRemux to convert your .ts to .m2ts. Here is the link to download:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

After you load your .ts file select output format M2TS (192 byte packets), and change file extention to .m2ts.

PS3 doesn't support .ts extention, but it supports .m2ts.

[Laura Palmer]

Turns out file transferring to the PS3 can be done a number of different ways. I'm going to try it tonight, I'm just not sure which tool is supposed to be the best.

Anyone have any opinions? There's Vilvic, PS3Portal, and Red Kawa.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I have a question some might be able to help me with. I have a Cox Cable HD DVR, I have a few HD recordings on there that I want to transfer to an external hard drive. How would I go about doing that and have any of you guys had any experince with it? Any help would be great. Thanks James

[videohot]

I sure couldn't get HD mpeg2 .ts files to convert properly to a format that would play on my PS3 using TsRemux! These are files pulled off satellite.

Any advise?

Larry

[vsv]

Info from doom9 forum:

Nero vision 4 make simple BD authoring with AVC and DD. You can authoring in 1080p resolution, multiple DD 5.1 audio stream and simple menu (main menu and chapter menu). It's really interessing because Nero AVC (by Ateme) is a very good professional AVC codec.
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http://www.nero.com/nero7/img/projectselection_large.jpg

[MozartMan]

I have a question some might be able to help me with. I have a Cox Cable HD DVR, I have a few HD recordings on there that I want to transfer to an external hard drive. How would I go about doing that and have any of you guys had any experince with it? Any help would be great. Thanks James
James,

Is your Cox's cable HD DVR made by Motorla?
I used this guide, works great for me with Comcast Motorola HD DVR 3416.
http://replayguide.sourceforge.net/dct6412/index.html

[MozartMan]

Info from doom9 forum:
http://www.nero.com/nero7/img/projectselection_large.jpg
vsv,

I have Nero Vision 4, but I don't have that "Make Blu-ray Disk..." option.
How did you get it?

[vsv]

MozartMan, possible need install BluRay plugin?
http://www.nero.com///eng/Blu_Ray_Plugin.html

[MozartMan]

MozartMan, possible need install BluRay plugin?
http://www.nero.com///eng/Blu_Ray_Plugin.html
thanks,

But it is BDAV only, no BDMV. That sucks.

[vsv]

thanks,

But it is BDAV only, no BDMV. That sucks.

BDMV authoring is possible only with expensive tools like Sony Blu-Print and Sonic Scenarist BD.

Only Nero Vision 4 support H264/AVC for BD authoring.
Ulead, Cyberlink and Roxio authoring tools working only with mpeg2 video.

[Laura Palmer]

So is it likely that the first real Blu-Ray BDMV format authoring app will be Adobe Encore CS3 in July?

[SS Scott]

that is incorrect. DVDit Pro HD allows people to author BDMV discs

[Schlotkins]

Turns out file transferring to the PS3 can be done a number of different ways. I'm going to try it tonight, I'm just not sure which tool is supposed to be the best.

Anyone have any opinions? There's Vilvic, PS3Portal, and Red Kawa.

Yep, that didn't work for me either. At this point, I think you have to author a blu-ray disc to play it back unfortunately.

[plee]

Yep, that didn't work for me either. At this point, I think you have to author a blu-ray disc to play it back unfortunately.

Have you tried Mainconcept's, Canopus, or Sorenson's encoders? They seem to be successful when using DVDit HD, just encode it as MPEG2 and play it of the HD...you don't need to author unless you want to play it somewhere else :)

[Laura Palmer]

Yep, that didn't work for me either. At this point, I think you have to author a blu-ray disc to play it back unfortunately.

Which tool did you use and what problem have you run into? What is your source, camcorder footage or TV/SAT rips?

I've transferred half a dozen HDV concerts I've shot and edited to my PS3 and they all playback flawlessly. I used the file-transfer tool "PS3 Portal".

Is it the file transfer itself that is unsucessful, or the playback of your files on the PS3? Cause if it's the latter, it would seem that you're just trying to playback a format that isn't supported that needs to be converted. You may want to use one of the transcoding tools in that case.

However if you're coming from HDV or AVCHD material, it should work 100%.

[Laura Palmer]

Sorry. I've just recently discovered that aside from BDAV and BDMV there's also HDMV.
I'm assuming EncoreDVD CS3 will be using HDMV, but how is that for compatibility on the PS3 and the standalone players on the market?

[brente]

Sorry. I've just recently discovered that aside from BDAV and BDMV there's also HDMV.
I'm assuming EncoreDVD CS3 will be using HDMV, but how is that for compatibility on the PS3 and the standalone players on the market?

Encore DVD CS3 will use BDMV (which is basically DVD-type menus/functionality on BD) and will work great with the PS3 and most (all?) players on the market.

[Tom Roper]

Will DVDIT permit you to burn compatible BDMV on DVD-5/DVD-9 red laser media? I'm not interested in $1000 BD burners and $20 BD media at this time.

[brente]

Will DVDIT permit you to burn compatible BDMV on DVD-5/DVD-9 red laser media? I'm not interested in $1000 BD burners and $20 BD media at this time.

Whether it will or won't, I don't believe any Blu-ray player will read/look for BDMV content on a red laser disc (not part of the spec, so not supported). Probably only a PC would let you play it back... (unfortunately)

[Tom Roper]

Whether it will or won't, I don't believe any Blu-ray player will read/look for BDMV content on a red laser disc (not part of the spec, so not supported). Probably only a PC would let you play it back... (unfortunately)


Alright. Same question for BDAV? Can DVDit or any of the lower end PC apps author onto red laser disk, and will most of the standalone players play back BDAV from a red laser disk, i.e. not just PS3?

Thanks

[Laura Palmer]

Can someone clarify what HDMV is? Is that just another name for BDMV or BDAV or is it distinctly different from both of these?

[Laura Palmer]

Will DVDIT permit you to burn compatible BDMV on DVD-5/DVD-9 red laser media? I'm not interested in $1000 BD burners and $20 BD media at this time.

I don't know where you're looking but my Sony BWU100A was $449 CAD from Future Shop (albeit was a sale) and Blu-Ray media is approx $13 at computer stores.

So considering you're from the US even I don't see where you're getting your figures.

[Phloyd]

Whether it will or won't, I don't believe any Blu-ray player will read/look for BDMV content on a red laser disc (not part of the spec, so not supported). Probably only a PC would let you play it back... (unfortunately)

The Panasonic player will playback red laser BDMV images.

[Phloyd]

Can someone clarify what HDMV is? Is that just another name for BDMV or BDAV or is it distinctly different from both of these?

HDMV and BDMV are the same thing I believe.