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Neo1965

07-24-07, 07:38 PM

max GOP for RED is 0,6sec vs 1sec max GOP for BLU
Also HD use 23,976fps and BD 24p. Warner do encode for HDDVD then strip metadata from VC-1 header to have 24p. Bitrate (video) for BLU max 40Mbps for RED 28Mbps.

I 'studied' the HD DVD and BDMV formats from looking at ulead VS10+ output and AVCHD, as the specs were too dry to follow completely.

To get anything done, I stripped everything from the EVOB down to each individual elementary stream, the metadata are all discarded, but the main feature's video and main audio is retained. After that, I mux them to m2ts and build the folders and files at the same time.

Did you try this ISO image for BDMV to see if it plays on your player? I'm only able to test on PS3 and Panasonic. Samsung won't play it.
http://www.transferbigfiles.com/Get.aspx?id=1f4bcac2-20a1-4547-9247-3aa3917426cc

The stream was taken from MSFT's web site. It had GOPs as long 170 pictures (that's not in spec), and the bitrates were almost 50Mbps for 12seconds continuously --- also not in spec, but the BD players do play them, meaning these two at least are lax in enforcing those specs. The only problem for the BD players are the limits of the bitrate, if you make an AVC stream at 70Mbps for example, for sure Panasonic will choke but that's likely because it can't read them fast enough.

Phloyd

07-24-07, 08:04 PM

max GOP for RED is 0,6sec vs 1sec max GOP for BLU
Also HD use 23,976fps and BD 24p. Warner do encode for HDDVD then strip metadata from VC-1 header to have 24p. Bitrate (video) for BLU max 40Mbps for RED 28Mbps.

Actually, the HD DVD streams are flagged to 29.97 1080i. And that can be authored to BD just fine with the flags included (though they play as 1080i off the PS3 for example).

BD also uses 23.976 fps.

casenpt1

07-27-07, 08:14 PM

Hey guys,

I just purchased DVDIt Pro HD 6.3 to do some basic Bluray discs, and am trying to get a small HD project to play back on my Panasonic DMP-BD10A from DVD-R and I'm not having any success at all.

The BD10A originally had firmware 2.0 on it, so I upgraded the firmware to 2.2 which made no difference.

When I put the disc in the player, the on screen menu shows BD-Video for a second or two. It then says "now reading" in the bottom right corner. After that, Stop appears on the front panel of the player, and then the on screen message says "this disc is incompatible".

I've tried using DVD-R and DVD+R discs. I've tried burning with DVDIt using the burn from Image method and I've tried burning with ImgBurn. They both have the same results.

I am letting DVDIt do the MPEG-2 HD encoding for me. I've tried a couple of the preset encoding setups, and have also tried both 720p and 1080p.

Please let me know if this is operator error, of if the new BD10A doesn't support BDMV on DVD-R.

TIA for any suggestions that you may have.

Casey Mershon

zippy710199

07-27-07, 10:36 PM

plee

07-30-07, 02:37 PM

Im about to take the plunge on an External Blu Ray Burner.
Since im new to it all anyone that can answer the questions below would be superb.
1.Which is the cheapest place to order the cheaper Memorex Blu Ray discs and im also looking for 1 RE-Writable so i can play around with.
2.Since im shelling out $700 on the Blu Ray Burner i don't want to pay $550 for DVDITPRO from ROXIO.
NERO claim they now support BLU RAY AUTHORING so does anyone have any experience with using Nero to create Blu Ray DVDS.
3.I have 4 years worth of TS files will all these need to be converted to MPEG2?
4.Im using the PS3 for Playback will Home Made Blu Ray discs work on the PS3?
5.Im buying the OWC MERCURY PRO does anyone know anything about this product?
I cant do Internal as im using 2 Laptops so it has to be USB.
Anyway im about to order this weekend so any advice before i do would be great.

1) If your only getting one BD-RE , I would just get it locally (Best Buy, Fry's) since it will pay for itself. :D
2) No exp. with Nero but the drive will probably have the Cyber stuff which will allow you to do \BDAV's but for \BDMV's you'll have to buy something for now...
3) Most likely but you may be able to convert without encoding...
4) \BDAV should work and if you get DVDit HD you'll need to apply a patch and you'll be good to go. Not sure about others.
5) No idea...

MKANET

07-30-07, 06:24 PM

I tried using the latest Nero Vision (with blu-ray support). I tried to transcode a 1080i mpeg2 HBO movie. The result was:

1) My PS3 recognized the BF-RW media, but said invalid format.
2) I tried to play it back on my blu-ray player and the video started to play, but it wasn't really watchable; the video was jerky and a lot of missed frames.

The problem was in the transcoding of 1080i mpeg2---> Blu-ray format (not sure which one).

Im about to take the plunge on an External Blu Ray Burner.
Since im new to it all anyone that can answer the questions below would be superb.
1.Which is the cheapest place to order the cheaper Memorex Blu Ray discs and im also looking for 1 RE-Writable so i can play around with.
2.Since im shelling out $700 on the Blu Ray Burner i don't want to pay $550 for DVDITPRO from ROXIO.
NERO claim they now support BLU RAY AUTHORING so does anyone have any experience with using Nero to create Blu Ray DVDS.
3.I have 4 years worth of TS files will all these need to be converted to MPEG2?
4.Im using the PS3 for Playback will Home Made Blu Ray discs work on the PS3?
5.Im buying the OWC MERCURY PRO does anyone know anything about this product?
I cant do Internal as im using 2 Laptops so it has to be USB.
Anyway im about to order this weekend so any advice before i do would be great.

MozartMan

07-30-07, 06:44 PM

I tried using the latest Nero Vision (with blu-ray support). I tried to transcode a 1080i mpeg2 HBO movie. The result was:

1) My PS3 recognized the BF-RW media, but said invalid format.
mkanet,

You don't need Nero. If you have .TS file transfered from cable box, you can try TSRemux with Blu-ray option. It creates BDMV structure, but without menu.

I tried it and PS3 plays it great with 5.1 DD surround sound.

Check this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

zippy710199

07-30-07, 08:05 PM

Yeah that sounds ok but i need something that will create a menu also.
I cant afford to shell out $550 for DVDITHD much as i would like it.
Its a shame that ROXIO are charging so much for something that creates Blu Ray Movies
If anyone knows of any software thats cheaper that will allow me to make menus please let me know.

Tom Roper

08-04-07, 10:14 AM

Does Blu-Ray option for BDMV work for 1440x1080i60 HDV mpeg-2 TS camcorder streams?

MozartMan

08-04-07, 10:47 AM

Does Blu-Ray option for BDMV work for 1440x1080i60 HDV mpeg-2 TS camcorder streams?
No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

Tom Roper

08-04-07, 11:02 AM

No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

Thanks a million for doing that MozartMan! Dumb question, but what is the XMB? MemoryStick? Internal hard disk drive? Can it play the m2t files from a DVD5/9? Thanks again for the awesome work you did!

MozartMan

08-04-07, 11:12 AM

Thanks a million for doing that MozartMan! Dumb question, but what is the XMB? MemoryStick? Internal hard disk drive? Can it play the m2t files from a DVD5/9? Thanks again for the awesome work you did!
XMB - Xross Media Bar (PS3 desktop you get after you turn on your PS3).
I know that PS3 plays .m2t files from the Memory Stick and from USB jump drive, and I think it should play .m2t files from DVD5/9 disks.

John Haghighi

08-05-07, 07:46 AM

XMB - Xross Media Bar (PS3 desktop you get after you turn on your PS3).
I know that PS3 plays .m2t files from the Memory Stick and from USB jump drive, and I think it should play .m2t files from DVD5/9 disks.

What about through media center? Can you stream the .m2t file from a folder through Zune or WMP 11?

MozartMan

08-05-07, 09:18 AM

What about through media center? Can you stream the .m2t file from a folder through Zune or WMP 11?
I don't know. I think I only streamed SD MPEG-2 program stream when I played with the WMP11 streaming feature.
Try this forum:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=ps3media

zippy710199

08-05-07, 08:58 PM

Does anyone know what is available for converting a BLU RAY Internal to a EXT USB2 version.
I was going to purchase a 2x burner but i just noticed the LG version which is 4x but its Internal.
I only have Laptops so i need USB2 External only.
I have used the cases that fit 3.5 Hard Drives but ive not seen Burner cases anywhere.
Anyone know if this is even possible with BLU Ray Internal?

Tom Roper

08-06-07, 11:28 PM

No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

Have you tried authoring HDV into BDAV, as opposed to just playing .m2t files on the PS3? I am told if you author BDAV instead of BDMV, that 1440x1080i HDV is supported whereas on BDMV it has to be rendered to 1920x1080i? True? What if you patched the headers with HDpatch? Could you then author HDV to BDMV?

creator441

08-08-07, 01:28 AM

Okay thanks. I assume this won't work on a DVD-R or off a USB hard drive.

Maybe if you can make the PS3 boot it's blu-ray player with a DVD-R you will get 5.1 sound if your DVD-R is detected as a BDMV. What I think happens on the PS3 is that the dashboard has basic fonctions. THe sound can only be playes back in stereo because the basic player in the dash can't decode ac3 sound. Maybe they will add that later on with updates. The blu-ray player is a separate program and you can see the PS3 is taking some time to load that part when you listen to a blu-ray movie.

On another note, Phloyd I have a question for you. I saw your thread on the roxio forum (DVDIt Pro HD) and I am unable to get a mpeg2 transport stream to be blu-ray compliant with dvdit pro HD. I did the two steps you say to do with videoredo on my file and it will never be blu-ray compliant. I use elementary streams by the way and it will not be compliant.

Then, I tried to recompress the video elementary stream in TMPGEnc with the options that are presented in the sticky in the roxio forum and then the stream becomes blu-ray compliant according to DVDIt pro HD.

That's of no help to me as I don't want to recompress the file. It's a typical broadcast from HDTV television and I'm sure it's pretty much compliant. I don't know what to do so I don't know if you have any ideas to help me out?

The thing is, I want at least a menu on my BD-R so I need DVDIt Pro HD because TSRemux.exe does not put a menu. I want to put 2 movies per BD-R so I want a menu to at least be able to choose which one I will want to watch.

I did find a way that finally worked but it's a hassle and will present some small restrictions chapter-wise. Here's how it worked for me:

1) I create a project in DVDIt Pro HD that and I insert a menu with one button and one small compliant dummy video file and I create an ISO with DVDIt Pro HD.

2) I unpack the ISO with IsoBuster to get the blu-ray file structure created by DVDIt Pro HD. I can see the movie file is named 00000.m2ts and the menu is 00001.m2ts

3) I use TSRemux to create a blu-ray file structure with my movie file that will not be compliant with DVDIt Pro HD for some unknown reason. The movie file is named 00001.m2ts.

4) I take the 00001.m2ts movie file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.m2ts movie file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (I do a rename of the file).

5) I take the 00001.clpi clip information file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.clpi clip information file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (I do a rename of the file)

6) I take the 00000.mpls playlist file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.mpls playlist file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (No rename necessary this time). In addition, I need to edit the playlist file in hexadecimal and change the name of the file in it from 00001M2TS to 00000M2TS so that the correct file will play (it is a playlist file).

7) I use Nero to create a UDF 2.50 image with the new DVDIt Pro HD structure with the files replaced.

8) I burn the image with ImgBurn.

With all these steps, I get what I want, a menu and then the file plays correctly and as not been recompressed. But, youc an see why I want to know how you can use the mpeg2 TS file without transcoding in DvdIt Pro HD.

I did some comparisons between the file that I recompressed with TMPGEnc that is compliant and the one that is not recompress and is not compliant and I don't see much differences except for the VBV BUffer which does not seem important according to more tests I did. Also, the GOP seemed fine but I did notice that all the GOPs are closed in the file I recompressed because I used the close all gops option and none are closed in the ts file. I don't know of any utility that will close the GOPs though. videoredo does nothing when I put the value 17 for max gop lenght so the original file must already be correct in that aspect and the bitrate value is 25000 which is quite fine too according to your post on the roxio board.

Any help would be appreciated. Maybe you can check my file and see what the problem is faster than me?

Anyway, thanks in advance for any tips.

creator441

08-08-07, 01:28 AM

Sorry, I made a double post ....

Phloyd

08-08-07, 02:01 AM

I am not at home at the moment so please PM me after August 22 if you still want me to look at a segment of your file.

Cheers!

creator441

08-08-07, 02:19 AM

I am not at home at the moment so please PM me after August 22 if you still want me to look at a segment of your file.

Cheers!

Ok thanks :)

SS Scott

08-09-07, 03:35 PM

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.

Have you tried authoring HDV into BDAV, as opposed to just playing .m2t files on the PS3? I am told if you author BDAV instead of BDMV, that 1440x1080i HDV is supported whereas on BDMV it has to be rendered to 1920x1080i? True? What if you patched the headers with HDpatch? Could you then author HDV to BDMV?

Tom Roper

08-09-07, 09:54 PM

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.

Thank you for the reply.

You are saying that DVDit Pro HD will transcode 1440x1080i HDV into a BDMV compliant stream without rendering?

Is it the Blu-ray player that scales the frame back to 1920x1080i?

creator441

08-10-07, 02:50 AM

I have made some tests using TSRemux to generate a Bluray disk structure, using as input 1080i mpeg2-ts files, burning them with Nero (UDF 2.6) on a DVD and it plays perfectly on the PS3.

The disk is recognised as BDMV DVD-ROM

I now have a "bluray" SW Episode IV in two DVDs without any encoding...

Apparently people are having less success with H264/AVC inputs, probably due to wrong level (5.1 instead of 4.1 ?).

What is the problem with AVC to BDMV? I am asking because I have tried to put an AVC on a BD-R using TSRemux and it worked and the clip plays fine with no stutter and full sound (actually I didn't check the sound part) but the PS3 plays the file in low resolution, like in 480p. You can see the PS3 change the res (black screen) and then the file plays. Is that the problem people are having?

My source is a star wars clip from TV Broadcast and I'm pretty sure it's PAL (25 FPS). I have a NTSC PS3 (Canada).

I wonder if the reason for the resolution change is because the file is PAL? Maybe it's that level thing (5.1 versus 4.1) but I am unsure how to change that. I got h264info program so I may experiment with it tomorrow.

If somebody knows how to correct that resolution thing please give me a tip.

Thanks!

vsv

08-10-07, 05:48 PM

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.

Few months ago i've did few tests for BD and HDDVD...If i remember correctly need to change flags of stream_hdv.m2t from MP@L1440 to MP@HL.
Use hexeditor to find 00 00 01 B51 46 and than replace 46 to 44 and save.

00 00 01 B51 46 MP@L1440 - this HDV
00 00 01 B51 44 Main@High - this need

BenjaminG

08-11-07, 08:12 AM

Man oh man. I have been trying to put anything on Blu-ray, and I cannot get it to work.

1) I have a 15G TS file that i want on a disc - Ive tried TS Remux and that fails. I can get the exact error message for you, if someone is willing to help.

2) Ive tried all manner of muxing and remuxing to extract and reconstitute MKV files... with no luck. Why is this so damn hard?

I've tried pretty much every Blu-ray burning software. I really, really am at my wits end here. If there is a champ enough in this thread to help me with either of my two problems, I want to hear from this person.. please!

MozartMan

08-11-07, 08:36 AM

ckelly33

08-11-07, 08:51 AM

Thank you for the reply.

You are saying that DVDit Pro HD will transcode 1440x1080i HDV into a BDMV compliant stream without rendering?

Is it the Blu-ray player that scales the frame back to 1920x1080i?

I am using Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9 to transfer my HDV movies from HDV to BD-R. One of the advanced options is to have the CPU/Software take the 1140x1080 HDV signal and scale the signal to 1920x1080@60. I haven't burned a disc yet but was curious if anyone has any experience on which is better: burning it on the disc as is (1440x1080) and letting the player do the scaling or letting the software go ahead and convert it to a full 1920x180@60.

Just got my burner 2 days ago so any help or suggestions are appreciated before I ruin any of those expensive blanks!!

Chris

BenjaminG

08-11-07, 09:06 AM

Can you be more specific?

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"

Whatever that means. Now apparently TSRemux is the easiest program to get a TS file to a Blu-ray disc, and no other programs have either accepted TS as a file format, or worked at all. These programs are:

TSRemux
Ulead DVD Movie Factory
Power Producer
DVD It Pro
Sonic Scenarist
Sonic Cinevision

So yeah, Ive tried em all, and no success.

On the MKV front, I have a lot of files encoded MP4 in an MP4 shell, and Id also like to get them onto a Bluray disc. I have been successful in splitting the MKV's into their elementary streams (.MP4 + AC3 audio files) but have not found success in reconstituting them as standard MP4 files which can then be used in Scenarist, or any of the above mentioned programs.

So yeah as I say, any help here, suggestions etc will be most appreciated :-)

MozartMan

08-11-07, 09:14 AM

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"
This is the old 0.0.16 version that has this bug. Newest versions don't have that.
You need to update. I have 0.0.17 and 0.0.18 and they work great for me.

Check this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

BenjaminG

08-11-07, 10:35 AM

Interesting. I will get it now! Thanks for your help!

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 11:14 AM

I am using Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9 to transfer my HDV movies from HDV to BD-R. One of the advanced options is to have the CPU/Software take the 1140x1080 HDV signal and scale the signal to 1920x1080@60. I haven't burned a disc yet but was curious if anyone has any experience on which is better: burning it on the disc as is (1440x1080) and letting the player do the scaling or letting the software go ahead and convert it to a full 1920x180@60.

Just got my burner 2 days ago so any help or suggestions are appreciated before I ruin any of those expensive blanks!!

Chris

Chris,
You're going to have a better encode by passing the 1440x1080 stream to the player without software encoding, IF the player will scale it.

If the software goes ahead and scales it, you are doing a time consuming render, losing quality, and creating a larger file size because of the frame size.
I'd appreciate hearing how it goes for you.

Thanks,
Tom

creator441

08-11-07, 03:32 PM

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"

Whatever that means. Now apparently TSRemux is the easiest program to get a TS file to a Blu-ray disc, and no other programs have either accepted TS as a file format, or worked at all. These programs are:

TSRemux
Ulead DVD Movie Factory
Power Producer
DVD It Pro
Sonic Scenarist
Sonic Cinevision

So yeah, Ive tried em all, and no success.

On the MKV front, I have a lot of files encoded MP4 in an MP4 shell, and Id also like to get them onto a Bluray disc. I have been successful in splitting the MKV's into their elementary streams (.MP4 + AC3 audio files) but have not found success in reconstituting them as standard MP4 files which can then be used in Scenarist, or any of the above mentioned programs.

So yeah as I say, any help here, suggestions etc will be most appreciated :-)

I have used the last week to do some testing with TS to Blu-Ray (I have a BD burner) so you can ask me questions.

I am now successfull in transforming MPEG2 TS to blu-ray but I still am trying to figure out a bug with H264 TS to Blu-ray which I can.t make work. without re-encoding.

The index out of bounds is a programming bug. THe tool is not full proof since it's being coded fast by one person I think (THanks a lot to this person he rocks) so try the latest versions indeed. If not, you can talk to dmz01 in the doom9.org forum in his thread about TSRemux. He reads all comments and will ask for a sample of your TS file to correct the bug if the newer versions does not work.

In any case, for me I use DVDIt Pro HD to auhthor a simple menu and I replace the files in the dvdit pro HD structure by the ones created by TSRemux because dvdit pro HD will not accept my mpeg2 ts as Blu-Ray compliant and will re-encode them and I don't want that. Using that way I'm pretty sure any mpeg2 ts will work.

H264 TS seems less easy to do and the bug I have is described above in this thread. The PS3 shows the AVC stream in 480p so it's reverting back to low res for some reason.

If your file is H264, you might have some problems but if your TS is a mpeg-2 it should be pretty smooth from my experience using only TSRemux even. I use dvdit pro HD because I want a menu and TSRemux does not permit that.

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 03:51 PM

I have used the last week to do some testing with TS to Blu-Ray (I have a BD burner) so you can ask me questions.

I am now successfull in transforming MPEG2 TS to blu-ray but I still am trying to figure out a bug with H264 TS to Blu-ray which I can.t make work. without re-encoding.

The index out of bounds is a programming bug. THe tool is not full proof since it's being coded fast by one person I think (THanks a lot to this person he rocks) so try the latest versions indeed. If not, you can talk to dmz01 in the doom9.org forum in his thread about TSRemux. He reads all comments and will ask for a sample of your TS file to correct the bug if the newer versions does not work.

In any case, for me I use DVDIt Pro HD to auhthor a simple menu and I replace the files in the dvdit pro HD structure by the ones created by TSRemux because dvdit pro HD will not accept my mpeg2 ts as Blu-Ray compliant and will re-encode them and I don't want that. Using that way I'm pretty sure any mpeg2 ts will work.

H264 TS seems less easy to do and the bug I have is described above in this thread. The PS3 shows the AVC stream in 480p so it's reverting back to low res for some reason.

If your file is H264, you might have some problems but if your TS is a mpeg-2 it should be pretty smooth from my experience using only TSRemux even. I use dvdit pro HD because I want a menu and TSRemux does not permit that.

Have you tried burning any projects so created on red laser DVD-5/9 media?

From an HDV sourced 1440x1080i m2t file TSRemux 1.8 is giving me Blu-ray 00001.m2ts and does contain the AC3 5.1 audio stream that I muxed into it with Womble. That's progress from version 1.6 which was leaving out the audio elementary stream.

But the only check I have on whether it plays or not, is to use TSRemux on 00001.m2ts to revert it back to a 188 byte TS stream that I can play with an mpeg editor like Womble or Videoredo. In other words, you go from TS to Blu-Ray back to TS to see if it's a valid file, or did it get corrupted in those conversions. Well, it plays but roughly, audio and video skips, not too smooth, but I don't know if the Blu-ray would be playing correctly or not.

creator441

08-11-07, 03:57 PM

Have you tried burning any projects so created on red laser DVD-5/9 media?

From an HDV sourced 1440x1080i m2t file TSRemux 1.8 is giving me Blu-ray 00001.m2ts and does contain the AC3 5.1 audio stream that I muxed into it with Womble. That's progress from version 1.6 which was leaving out the audio elementary stream.

But the only check I have on whether it plays or not, is to use TSRemux on 00001.m2ts to revert it back to a 188 byte TS stream that I can play with an mpeg editor like Womble or Videoredo. In other words, you go from TS to Blu-Ray back to TS to see if it's a valid file, or did it get corrupted in those conversions. Well, it plays but roughly, audio and video skips, not too smooth, but I don't know if the Blu-ray would be playing correctly or not.

I didn't try that because I am not interested in using DVDs. I will be using BD-Rs (even if more costy) because of the space.

But I can do that now if you want. Inf act I'll do it just to see if it works for me too because some smaller stuff can be put on DVD+R DL I guess.

Do you want me to use a 1440 file or a broadcast 1920x1080 stream? I have an hd cam so I have sample 1440x1080i files. They play fine on the PS3 if put in the /VIDEO folder but I never tried in a BDMV structure. I think only BDAV supports 1440x1080 but I may be mistaking. THe best way is to test (Like ive been doing for 5 days lol).

I'll check it out now and report back.

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 04:05 PM

That'd be awesome Creator. I'll be close by. 1440x1080i would be my preference if you have a suitable stream.

creator441

08-11-07, 04:17 PM

That'd be awesome Creator. I'll be close by. 1440x1080i would be my preference if you have a suitable stream.

I did a first test using a structure I had... it's 2 video and a menu with 2 buttons.. one is a mpeg2 ts 1920x1080 braodacast (interlaced) and the other is a AVC from broadcast too... in the blu-ray disc it boots the blu-ray player and shows menu... in the DVD-R version its a data disc but if I go to the stream directory the files play fine... don't know about the sound since they are stereo anyway.

DO you want me to test the 5.1 audio or not. Also do youw ant me to test if the blu-ray player boots and shows the menu etc. or are you only interested in the file playing correctly in the /VIDEO folder in the dashboard?

All this is on the PS3 by the way, I have no other blu-ray player and my pc dont work to play blu-ray because of powerdvd not liking graphics drivers etc.

I'm asking details because I dont have rewritabvle dvds so I need to waste 1 dvd each test.

Also, I will try UDF 2.60 next as I read that it helps on the PS3 versus UDF 2.50 when using DVD-R instead of BD-R media. This first test I used UDF 2.50

SpeedyJDK

08-11-07, 04:32 PM

A lot earlier, it was written. It took 30mins burning a BD-25 in 2x. I'd like to see that. In ImgBurn ?.
I only tried Nero, it runs 2x All the way and it takes 100mins. And then it prepare to verify :)
(Sony BWU-100A, Philips 25GB discs)

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 04:34 PM

I did a first test using a structure I had... it's 2 video and a menu with 2 buttons.. one is a mpeg2 ts 1920x1080 braodacast (interlaced) and the other is a AVC from broadcast too... in the blu-ray disc it boots the blu-ray player and shows menu... in the DVD-R version its a data disc but if I go to the stream directory the files play fine... don't know about the sound since they are stereo anyway.

DO you want me to test the 5.1 audio or not. Also do youw ant me to test if the blu-ray player boots and shows the menu etc. or are you only interested in the file playing correctly in the /VIDEO folder in the dashboard?

All this is on the PS3 by the way, I have no other blu-ray player and my pc dont work to play blu-ray because of powerdvd not liking graphics drivers etc.

I'm asking details because I dont have rewritabvle dvds so I need to waste 1 dvd each test.

Also, I will try UDF 2.60 next as I read that it helps on the PS3 versus UDF 2.50 when using DVD-R instead of BD-R media. This first test I used UDF 2.50

No, I think I'd be wasting your DVD-R media since it did not boot the Blu-ray player and show the menu, I would infer it's not going to boot on a standalone Blu-ray either.

One of the things I'm trying to decide is if I really have to have a Blu-ray burner to get into this. I'm willing to do it if I can get the basics to work properly, but holding me back, they are slow, expensive, and I'm not confident about result. You can help me to understand, and decide.

1.) HDV sourced 1440x1080i60 video is my focus. I want it to playback smooth, stutter free, and in-sync with the audio.
2.) I don't want it rendered by the authoring program. You've helped me already by explaining that DVDit Pro is rendering, that's why you are using TSRemux to replace the files inside the BDMV folders.

creator441

08-11-07, 05:06 PM

No, I think I'd be wasting your DVD-R media since it did not boot the Blu-ray player and show the menu, I would infer it's not going to boot on a standalone Blu-ray either.

One of the things I'm trying to decide is if I really have to have a Blu-ray burner to get into this. I'm willing to do it if I can get the basics to work properly, but holding me back, they are slow, expensive, and I'm not confident about result. You can help me to understand, and decide.

1.) HDV sourced 1440x1080i60 video is my focus. I want it to playback smooth, stutter free, and in-sync with the audio.
2.) I don't want it rendered by the authoring program. You've helped me already by explaining that DVDit Pro is rendering, that's why you are using TSRemux to replace the files inside the BDMV folders.

Ah but it depends. I never tried 1440x1080i files yet in DVDIt Pro HD. I will try that and see the compliance of it according to DVDIt Pro HD. My only tests so far was with a 1920x1080i 29.97 broadcast stream and one AVC 1920x1088i 25FPS one.

I have an HV10 camera and I'm pretty sure it does the 1440x1080i60 you want. I have test clips on my HDD. For DVDIt pro HD to not render, your stream must be of elemental types (m2v and ac3) and be compliant. I am not sure if DVDIt Pro HD aways re-encode the audio though. I will see.

So what you want to know is what exactly? I can already confirm you that if you put the 1440x1080i60 files in the /VIDEO directory of a BD-R or on an external HDD it will play in the dashboard of the ps3 perfectly with aspect ratio back to 16:9 etc. BUT stereo sound.

If you want me to test on BD-RE then I'll do that so you'll know if you can buy a blu-ray player with ease. Also if you want to send me a test clip using rapidshare or whatever, send me a link.

Also, I assume your 1440x1080i60 sources are in mpeg-2 right? If it's an AVCHD camera producing AVC stream I will need a sample.

EDIT: I just tried to import the mpv clip from my HV10 cam and it said it is not compliant with blu-ray in dvdit pro hd so it wil re-encode. I really would like to know what can be done so that I can edit completely with dvdit pro HD but oh well.

I will now use TSRemux and will do a first test on my BD-RE with the original mpeg2 1440x1080i60 video and mpeg2 audio (stereo).

creator441

08-11-07, 05:43 PM

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 06:00 PM

I have an HV10 camera and I'm pretty sure it does the 1440x1080i60 you want. I have test clips on my HDD. For DVDIt pro HD to not render, your stream must be of elemental types (m2v and ac3) and be compliant. I am not sure if DVDIt Pro HD aways re-encode the audio though. I will see.

Elemental streams m2v and ac3 are no problem for me, except compliant? That's the question. Audio re-encoding is fine by me, just not the video stream.

So what you want to know is what exactly? I can already confirm you that if you put the 1440x1080i60 files in the /VIDEO directory of a BD-R or on an external HDD it will play in the dashboard of the ps3 perfectly with aspect ratio back to 16:9 etc. BUT stereo sound.

I'm not just wanting PS3 dashboard playback. I'm wanting to distribute a compatible disk to people who have Blu-ray players of any flavor. Menus are nice but not essential. For now, I can do with BDAV, *if* the video doesn't get re-encoded. I have a Canon HV10, also the Canon XH-A1.

If you want me to test on BD-RE then I'll do that so you'll know if you can buy a blu-ray player with ease. Also if you want to send me a test clip using rapidshare or whatever, send me a link.

That's very kind. Since you already have an HV10, I would accept your test result readily.

Also, I assume your 1440x1080i60 sources are in mpeg-2 right? If it's an AVCHD camera producing AVC stream I will need a sample.

Nope...Canon HDV, HV10, XH-A1, HV20, XH-L1 etc. 1440x1080i60 m2t, and I can split into elementary streams mpv and AC3 2.0 or 5.1.

EDIT: I just tried to import the mpv clip from my HV10 cam and it said it is not compliant with blu-ray in dvdit pro hd so it wil re-encode. I really would like to know what can be done so that I can edit completely with dvdit pro HD but oh well.

Whoops! I was responding point by point and just got to this! :(
That's a major stumbling block.

I will now use TSRemux and will do a first test on my BD-RE with the original mpeg2 1440x1080i60 video and mpeg2 audio (stereo).

THAT's where I can really be indebted to you...if TSRemux can be the missing link. You are on the right track. Thank you!!!

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 06:12 PM

I get audio stream of type 4 is not supported by blu-ray when I try to use the .m2t file directly to create a blu-ray file structure in TSRemux.

I will convert the mpa file in a stereo ac3 and try again but I am unsure if I have an ac3 encoder... I'll check.

Yes! I saw that message too. I think it was for the mpeg 1 layer 2 HDV audio stream though.

I can send you an HDV clip with AC3 audio. I don't have an FTP site, but I think you posted a link above where it could get hosted. I'll go back and re-read.

FYI, Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD for $99 includes an AC3 encoder. In fact, this might be the fastest, they have a 30 day free trial with 100% full functionality, and the program is a small, short download, I think only about 10-12mb. You could grab the trial, and convert the HV10 audio to AC3 5.1 or stereo.

You use Womble to output the file as an mpg program stream. It contains the un-encoded mpv elemental stream already muxed with the AC3 audio stream. TSRemux 00.0.1.8 will load this input file without audio stream type 4 Blu-ray error, but will it then play properly after its burned on BD-RE? That's the question you can answer.

Let me know, feel free to call me if you desire...303-699-7080

Thanks,
Tom

creator441

08-11-07, 06:15 PM

Elemental streams m2v and ac3 are no problem for me, except compliant? That's the question. Audio re-encoding is fine by me, just not the video stream.

I'm not just wanting PS3 dashboard playback. I'm wanting to distribute a compatible disk to people who have Blu-ray players of any flavor. Menus are nice but not essential. For now, I can do with BDAV, *if* the video doesn't get re-encoded. I have a Canon HV10, also the Canon XH-A1.

That's very kind. Since you already have an HV10, I would accept your test result readily.

Nope...Canon HDV, HV10, XH-A1, HV20, XH-L1 etc. 1440x1080i60 m2t, and I can split into elementary streams mpv and AC3 2.0 or 5.1.

Whoops! I was responding point by point and just got to this! :(
That's a major stumbling block.

THAT's where I can really be indebted to you...if TSRemux can be the missing link. You are on the right track. Thank you!!!

Yes eheh we have different needs. I really want a menu and if dvdit pro HD wasn't so difficult with the streams I would gladly prefer to use that tool only to import media and make menus, chapters, etc.

What I do now with my own needs is this:

1) Import media in dvdit pro hd and say "Yes" to re-encode.
2) Make chapters in the stream and chapter menus.
3) Make an ISO and dvdit pro HD will re-encode.
4) Extract the ISO to get access to the files (STREAM, PLAYLIST, etc.)
5) Use TSRemux on the stream to create a blu-ray file structure.
6) Replace the playlist, stream and flip info files in the dvdit pro hd structures with the ones from tsremux (to get the no re-encode version AND the menus).
7) Burn the structure with replaced files.

This works perfectly for me so far for mpeg2 only. I didn't try 1440x1080i but I will be doin it right now since I got the ac3 encoder. It will be a 2.0 sound in ac3 for now and ill put a 5.1 from another movie after that if I can easily (HV10 does not do 5.1).

What is good also is that the chapters works fine even if I replace the stream. In fact I tested that the chapters are not bytes or time related but marker related. So even if I edit in dvdit pro HD and put like 5 chapters in the movie, when I say to TSRemux to do chapters every 5 mins, the first 5 chapters will match the ones from TSRemux no matter where I put the chapters in DVDIt Pro HD. In other words, I can import a very small file in dvdit pro HD that has nothing to do with the real video file I want on the bd-r, put some chapters randomly but the correct AMOUNT of chapters and then burn and then when I replace the stream with the one from TSRemux the chapters will match the TSRemux version. So, the re-encode can be FAST since I don't need to re-encode the full movie to get my chapters.

The only thing I can't get is the little pictures of the chapters in the chatper menus because you need to the correct file in dvdit pro HD since the pictures are auto-generated and gets deleted if you delete the movie in dvdit pro HD since it's LINKED. But doing text only chapters will work that way.

So frankly, I think it will work perfectly with 1440x1080i60 sources but I'll test now.

EDIT: YEs I have Womble MPEG Video Wizard already but where is the ac3 ewncoder? I used AC3Tools Pro demo from MEDIATWINS and was about to buy it since I think it's a cool and useful tool but since I already own womble it would be better to use that but I can't see the ac3 encoder in the menus? Where is it? Anyway I already have my ac3 file now but it would help me to know how to use ac3 encoder in womble.

creator441

08-11-07, 06:34 PM

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 06:38 PM

EDIT: YEs I have Womble MPEG Video Wizard already but where is the ac3 ewncoder? I used AC3Tools Pro demo from MEDIATWINS and was about to buy it since I think it's a cool and useful tool but since I already own womble it would be better to use that but I can't see the ac3 encoder in the menus? Where is it? Anyway I already have my ac3 file now but it would help me to know how to use ac3 encoder in womble.

Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD is a slight upgrade over the regular MVW. It's the same program you have but includes the AC3 5.1 (!) encoder and DVD authoring. You should download the trial. You can buy it for an upgrade price since you are already a MVW user. It does a beautiful job converting your stereo audio from the HV10 and creating a 5.1 audio track with surround and subwoofer output.

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 06:42 PM

Tom,

I see what you mean. I did the test and what I get is choppy framerate playback and no sound. In fact, when I press select on the ps3 there is no audio stream info at all. That is weird. But I am sure it's possible. Did you try BDAV or other tools? It is weird because the m2t file direct from camera plays perfectly in the dash for me.

I have quite some tools so I'll try more stuff including using the dvdit pro HD structure. The test I did now was with using only the structure from TSRemux.

Are you sure TSRemux did not drop the audio elementary stream? That's what it did to me, until I started feeding it the same file coded as mpeg program stream (filename.mpg). You can use Womble for that, or Videoredo etc...

The problem I have with BDAV, is that the only tool I have for creating BDAV is Ulead MF6+, and it doesn't let me create an iso image file, I have to have a BD burner to use it at all.

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 08:09 PM

ckelly33

08-11-07, 09:35 PM

Chris,
You're going to have a better encode by passing the 1440x1080 stream to the player without software encoding, IF the player will scale it.

If the software goes ahead and scales it, you are doing a time consuming render, losing quality, and creating a larger file size because of the frame size.
I'd appreciate hearing how it goes for you.

Thanks,
Tom

That's what I figured but my concern was as to whether future (or current) standalones would accept such an oddball resolution. Currently I have a PS3 and haven't looked it up this resolution in its specifications yet. PS3 aside, I would really like to eventually get a standalone or a hybrid and I figured I'd have better compatibility results with 1920x1080 over 1440x1080.

Any thoughts?

ckelly33

08-11-07, 09:37 PM

The software I am currently using is Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9, it's leaves alot to be desired, like chaptering. Anyone know of a BR solution that would include chaptering?

Tom Roper

08-11-07, 09:53 PM

That's what I figured but my concern was as to whether future (or current) standalones would accept such an oddball resolution. Currently I have a PS3 and haven't looked it up this resolution in its specifications yet. PS3 aside, I would really like to eventually get a standalone or a hybrid and I figured I'd have better compatibility results with 1920x1080 over 1440x1080.

Any thoughts?

Only that XDCAM HD 1440x1080 is the most widely used pro HD format in use.

creator441

08-11-07, 10:03 PM

This program stream has AC3 5.1 audio, 1440x1080i60 mpeg-2 video. It loads into TSRemux and authors to Blu-ray, but whether it plays non-choppy or with audio I can't say. It's only a 5 second video to keep file size small, not sure if it's long enough to show chop or not.

Download link Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48423237/AVS_Test.mpg.html)

THank you I will try. Yes I did try with a TS file and not a program stream so that's probably my problem. I will try your sample file and tell you the results!

I think some of the issues are caused by PC Blu-ray burners having a weaker laser for burning than commercial units, BD players have a weaker laser for reading and PC drives having a higher tolerance much like what was happening with DVD-R/RW and DVD players. The same disk would play fine in any DVD-ROM drive but cut out audio when playing on some a standalones.

It would be interesting to see if Standalone BD burners created more compatible disks.

Maybe but that's not my case. I have been authoring all week on the same BD-RE and never have stutter ont he PS3. IN fact, I am amazed at the BD-RE disc, it'S a real champ so far.

creator441

08-11-07, 10:16 PM

I just tried your test sample and the playback is stuttering as hell and the sound nonly does a pop sound at the end of the playback and I barely have time to see it as an AC3 1 channel stream... this is probably because the ps3 is mixed up...

By the way, I tried the sample in powerDVD and it's not playing smooth at all either. Are you sure your video file is ok? My CPU is at 44% and it's only mpeg2 anyway but it's not playing smoothly at all so the source is probably the reason. With that said, my source plays smoothly on the pc mostly with some weird vertical sync effet.

I will try with my source some more.

For ULEAD, yes I know what you mean. I was interested in it but when I saw that the software only permits blu-ray with the BD Recorder part and that the main application only supports HD-DVD (which I used in the past to make HD-DVD on DVD-R with ease) I was a little bummed. I think it's pretty much worthless for Blu-Ray for now.

digason

08-11-07, 11:21 PM

Has anybody used Adobe Encore CS3 to master Blu-ray with an MPEG2 TS source?

creator441

08-12-07, 02:34 AM

Has anybody used Adobe Encore CS3 to master Blu-ray with an MPEG2 TS source?

From what I can see so far, Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 does not support the import of AC3 audio which is pretty stupid if you ask me. You need to import all the channels separately. But I didn't try to master a blu-ray with it.

creator441

08-12-07, 04:17 PM

Tom,

I tried to put my HDV clip from my HV10 camcorder through DVDIt Pro HD and I let DVDIt Pro HD transcode the video. All is playing perfectly when I use this method. I know transcoding is not wanted, even I would prefer no transcoding but it seems it's the only way I can find right now for BDMV. I don't know about BDAV but BDAV is very weak because you cannot do any menus at all.

I think one possibility would be in what vsv said before in this very thread. He said the following:

Few months ago i've did few tests for BD and HDDVD...If i remember correctly need to change flags of stream_hdv.m2t from MP@L1440 to MP@HL.
Use hexeditor to find 00 00 01 B51 46 and than replace 46 to 44 and save.

00 00 01 B51 46 MP@L1440 - this HDV
00 00 01 B51 44 Main@High - this need

I tried to do that but I could not find the numbers using an hex editor in my m2t file. I think this is the solution because when I tried to create an BDMV structure with Scenarist HDMV it said "Profile and Level error, level is 44 or 48 and it must be 46. Looks like Scenarist wanted the MP@L1440 but he saw something else.

Laura Palmer

08-12-07, 08:41 PM

Tom Roper

08-12-07, 09:44 PM

Tom,

I tried to put my HDV clip from my HV10 camcorder through DVDIt Pro HD and I let DVDIt Pro HD transcode the video. All is playing perfectly when I use this method. I know transcoding is not wanted, even I would prefer no transcoding but it seems it's the only way I can find right now for BDMV. I don't know about BDAV but BDAV is very weak because you cannot do any menus at all.

I think one possibility would be in what vsv said before in this very thread. He said the following:

I tried to do that but I could not find the numbers using an hex editor in my m2t file. I think this is the solution because when I tried to create an BDMV structure with Scenarist HDMV it said "Profile and Level error, level is 44 or 48 and it must be 46. Looks like Scenarist wanted the MP@L1440 but he saw something else.

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

UxiSXRD

08-12-07, 11:46 PM

Apologize if this has been asked already, but not finding it... which of the BD-burners will do 50GB, if not all of them? I was looking at the Lite-On and Philips at Frys over the weekend and they only mention 25GB discs. I seem to remember the Sony doing 50GB / DL but might be imagining that.

Also, has anyone done a breakdown on the various speeds, prices, and layer capability?

BenjaminG

08-13-07, 01:34 AM

Well, I burnt my 15gb TS file with the new version of TSRemux... worked a treat!

One more question though, I have been able to split MKV files to their elementary .H264 and AC3 streams, input them in Sonic DVDIt Pro HD, but I get sound and a black picture. Anyone struck this problem.

Could It be the level 5.1 on the H264 video? If so, how do i convert it to something lesser like level 4?

creator441

08-13-07, 02:01 AM

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

Sure I will. I will report back when I did the test.

One more question though, I have been able to split MKV files to their elementary .H264 and AC3 streams, input them in Sonic DVDIt Pro HD, but I get sound and a black picture. Anyone struck this problem.

Could It be the level 5.1 on the H264 video? If so, how do i convert it to something lesser like level 4?

Woah you imported an H264 elementary stream in DvdIt Pro HD and it didn't say anything? DVDIt Pro HD does not support AVC (H264) streams at all. It only works with MPEG-2. I wonder why the program didn't warn you of that. I myself never even tried to import AVC stuff in DvdIt Pro HD.

BenjaminG

08-13-07, 02:02 AM

Do you have any suggestions of a program that will do what I want to do, whilst keeping the AC3 audio? TIA!

Cheers
Ben

creator441

08-13-07, 04:32 PM

I know this isn't really Blu-Ray Disc related, but I know a few of you here are filmmakers who encode content for playback on their PS3s. I'm trying to decide the best settings for all my media for my PS3. So far I've been doing MPEG-2 because that's what my HDV camcorder is encoding in, but now I'm thinking... since I'm already bringing MPEG-2 into Cineform, maybe I should use H.264 now instead of encoding the Cineform AVI files back to MPEG-2. Does anyone agree? Disagree?

I looked in the PS3 manual and it says it supports H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC) but it doesn't mention the Level. I think I remember some people saying 4.1 is the highest and that it won't play 5.1. Is that correct? Are there any other details that I should have on my mind when I'm tinkering with the H.264 encoder settings? I know there's a lot of options in ProCoder 3 and Adobe Media Encoder.

I still can't make an H264 (AVC) stream to work correctly yet on BDMV. You can easily playback .mp4 streams in the dashboard though but you will only get stereo sound (no 5.1). If you are aiming for BDMV without recompression, you should use MPEG-2 but it will be more beautiful in H264. I'm sure I'll make H264 work soon (I hope) but it may depend on the help from dmz01 back at Doom9 with his TSRemux program. The problem I have so far is that the ps3 reverts to 480p while making the playback of my H264 sample. My sample is a broadcast in 25fps (PAL).

The only way I was able to make a successfull BDMV with an AVC H264 Broadcast TS was by using Nero Vision 4 to create the AVCHD structure but Nero will re-encode your H264 source to a compliant one that will play well in the PS3.

Do you have any suggestions of a program that will do what I want to do, whilst keeping the AC3 audio? TIA!

Cheers
Ben

I didn't have much success so far with h264 streams because the PS3 reverts back to low res (480p) when playback. I don't think I have the level error on my hand with my source file though. If you want to change the level, try h264info.exe but I don't really know how to use that program much. Do some experiments with it!

After you corrected the level, just use TSRemux to remux the file to blu-ray structure and it should play. Mine played fine but it went back to low res for some reason I still don't know. I will post about it tomorrow on doom9 (need to wait 5 days to post after registration argh!).

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

Tom, SUCCESS!!!! :) But it was not easy and it turns out the reason I found the solution to the HDV to BDMV problem was when I was messing around with my other 1920x1080i60 hdtv broadcast stream. I saw that I could not use the first part of the broadcast file and it was doing the very same thing... stuttery and no audio. I used HDTVToMPEG to cut the broadcast to small pieces but the first part of the movie never worked but the others worked fine.

So, I concluded that if I try to cut the start of the HDV stream with HDTVToMPEG it may correct the situation too for the HDV... AND IT DID! :)

Here's how to do it for HV10 camera:

1) Demux the .m2t HDV file from the camera to elementary streams using videoredo. You should get a .m2v and .mpa file.

2) Use an AC3 encoder to create an AC3 file from the mpa file (mpa = not BD compliant). I use AC3Tools Pro which I bought. Awesome program (www.mediatwins.com).

3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard Xmuxer Pro. Unfortunately, don't use Womble because the TS created with Womble is not compatible with HDTVToMpeg I dunno why. Elecard Xmuxer Pro does a correct mux for HDTVToMPEG. Be sure to mux as a Transport Stream with XMuxer Pro. TS is the default anyway.

4) Open the newly muxed TS in HDTVToMpeg (I use version 1.11-Beta) and cut a small portion of the beginning of the stream using the things at the bottom. Use the ">" button to move slowly and cut a small part. To do it, move with ">", then click "Begin Include" button and then move back to beginning of stream and click the "Begin Exclude" button and the start of the stream will be marked RED (cutted). After that, select the PIDS (video and audio) in HDTVToMpeg of course, ensure that no clips will be done and click Process button to get a new TS. Be sure to export in Transport Stream mode again.

5) Open the newly created TS from HDTVToMpeg with the part cutted in TSRemux 0.0.18 and create a blu-ray structure.

6) Burn the blu-ray structure on a BD-R in UDF 2.50.

That's it! It works #1 with full sound and sync and smoothness of playback.

I have to note that your 5.1 stream did not work because TSRemux was not seeing the audio part at all when I imported the stream in step #5 above. So, I had to revert your sound back to AC-3 Stereo (2.0) in 192Kbps with AC3Tools Pro and then all went fine. I also tried to do a more standard (not lossless) 5.1 AC3 at 448Kbps but then it is Xmuxer Pro who froze when trying to mux (this is complicated stuff!).

By the way, I also tried with one of my HV10 clips before I tried with your clip and it seems I had to cut a larger part at the beginning of your stream for this trick to work. On my stream I cutted a smaller piece, like very small. I still only cutted like 1 or 2 seconds of your clip.

I also tried to put the TSRemux m2ts in the DvdIt Pro HD structure to have a menu and it still worked like a charm.

So, personally, I think that TSRemux does not like something at the beginning of some TS streams and if you cut it cleanly like HDTVToMpeg seems to do it, it will work like a charm. I also tried to just remux without cutting anything at the beginning but this never works even when using Xmuxer Pro.

HDTVToMpeg cannot cut on a specific frame, you can see it cuts only at some parts so it must be cutting at clean borders.

MozartMan

08-13-07, 11:21 PM

creator441

08-14-07, 01:29 AM

creator,

Thank you!

After playing with your method for two hours I finally got perfect BDMV on BD-RE from HDV .m2t file.

I have Sony HC1, and here is my steps:

1) Demux the .m2t HDV file to elementary streams using Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .m2v and .mpa file.

2) Use Vegas 7 to create an .ac3 5.1 (pseudo) file from the 2.0 stereo .mpa file.

3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .ts file.

4) Open the newly muxed TS file in HDTVToMpeg and cut a small portion of the beginning of the stream.

5) Open the newly created TS from HDTVToMpeg in TSRemux 0.0.18 and create a blu-ray structure.

6) Burn the blu-ray structure on a BD-R in UDF 2.50 with Nero.

This is getting better!

Yes, this is the exact steps I used too! :)

It is good that we can help each other. Now if only I knew the answers to those two questions:

1) Why are my MPEG-2 broadcast streams non BD compliant according to DVDIt Pro HD. It would be easier if DVDIt Pro HD would just accept the streams without re-encoding but I guess the TSRemux method at least still works.

2) Why is the PS3 displaying my TS stream that I remuxed with TSRemux in 480p (displaying in low-res) once on a BDMV structure burned on my BD-RE?

If somebody can help on this it would be cool. Number 1 would just make things easier but number 2 would really help me out as it is the only type of streams I can't get to work correctly yet on BDMV (basically I mean AVC broadcast streams).

Tom Roper

08-14-07, 02:18 AM

MozartMan

08-14-07, 08:25 AM

1) Why are my MPEG-2 broadcast streams non BD compliant according to DVDIt Pro HD. It would be easier if DVDIt Pro HD would just accept the streams without re-encoding but I guess the TSRemux method at least still works.
I can’t comment because I don’t have DVDIt Pro HD yet.
2) Why is the PS3 displaying my TS stream that I remuxed with TSRemux in 480p (displaying in low-res) once on a BDMV structure burned on my BD-RE?
I never had that problem. Check your PS3 settings. What firmware do you have?
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I think this workflow may yet have some problems.
Using MozartMan's steps, I've narrowed it down that step number 3 is causing my audio sync to be off by about 1/2 second, video lags audio.
The ts file is good before the demux, but after the Elecard Xmuxer Lite muxes the AC3 stream with the mpv, two things seem to happen at that point, the audio sync gets ahead of the video, but also something else goes awry causing choppy play, and that's what HDTVtoMPEG2 fixes when you trim a few seconds from the beginning. That fixes the choppy play but not the audio sync.
Before the demux step by Elecard Xmuxer Lite, the audio and video are in sync, and playback is smooth.
But without the Elecard steps, TSRemux doesn't recognize the audio stream.
2) Use Vegas 7 to create an .ac3 5.1 (pseudo) file from the 2.0 stereo .mpa file.
3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .ts file.
I was getting the same audio/video sync issue where audio was getting ahead of the video by about 1/2 second after steps 2 and 3. Then I decided to double check my AC3 rendering template in Vegas. I noticed that I had it set for 448 Kbits/s. The original .mpa file from HDV is recorded at 384 Kbits/s. So, I changed template settings from 448 to 384. And I got perfect audio/video sync after step 3! May be it was a coincidence, but I got perfect BDMV compilation on BD-RE disk at the end. I’ll do more test with different .m2t clips.

creator441

08-14-07, 12:21 PM

I think this workflow may yet have some problems.

Using MozartMan's steps, I've narrowed it down that step number 3 is causing my audio sync to be off by about 1/2 second, video lags audio.

The ts file is good before the demux, but after the Elecard Xmuxer Lite muxes the AC3 stream with the mpv, two things seem to happen at that point, the audio sync gets ahead of the video, but also something else goes awry causing choppy play, and that's what HDTVtoMPEG2 fixes when you trim a few seconds from the beginning. That fixes the choppy play but not the audio sync.

Before the demux step by Elecard Xmuxer Lite, the audio and video are in sync, and playback is smooth.

But without the Elecard steps, TSRemux doesn't recognize the audio stream.

If you mean that the playback was smooth in the direct from camcorder .m2t then yes of course but you cannot use that by itself in BDMV. I didn't notice any lag in the video versus audio when I did the test but I didn't check super hard but I did check for it and it seemed right on. I encoded the AC3 in DD 2.0 192Kbps, maybe that's a clue to why it worked if you check MozartMan solution to the audio sync problem in his post.

One thing I can say for sure, Xmuxer is not the one who makes the choppy playback. It may be responsible for the audio sync but not the choppy playback. I am pretty sure that, logically, TSRemux is responsible for the choppy playback. If I use DvdIt Pro HD and it re-encodes, there is no choppy playback. A fix in TSRemux would probably get rid of the necessary extra step of cutting the clip in HDTVToMpeg. At least the method works for now.

One thing is weird though, I get the choppy playback bug using TSRemux even with Broadcast streams (I tried two different ones and both were choppy without the cut at the start of the stream) but I never saw anybody saying they needed to cut their clip for it to play smoothly?

I never had that problem. Check your PS3 settings. What firmware do you have?

That's the thing, I have the very last firmware (I always update since I need to log online, use PSN, etc.) and I get that low res playback of H264 files. The only way I can get it to play full-res is by letting Nero Vision 4 re-encode the stream when making an AVCHD. Then I can use the created .m2ts, .clpi and .mpls files from that Nero Vision 4 structure and use it in any structure (From DVDIt Pro HD or others) and all is fine. But I don't want a re-encode.

Do you mean that you were able to convert an H264 (AVC) TS Broadcast stream to BDMV with no re-encode with full success? If so, please tell me the steps you took. My test source is a SkyHD 25fps 1920x1088i H264 stream with dolby digital 5.1 sound (AC3). I also tried with a 1920x1080 source and it still goes to low res. I would appreciate help on that. Thanks.

I was getting the same audio/video sync issue where audio was getting ahead of the video by about 1/2 second after steps 2 and 3. Then I decided to double check my AC3 rendering template in Vegas. I noticed that I had it set for 448 Kbits/s. The original .mpa file from HDV is recorded at 384 Kbits/s. So, I changed template settings from 448 to 384. And I got perfect audio/video sync after step 3! May be it was a coincidence, but I got perfect BDMV compilation on BD-RE disk at the end. I’ll do more test with different .m2t clips.

Ok please tell us the results of the tests. Thanks.

MozartMan

08-14-07, 12:40 PM

Do you mean that you were able to convert an H264 (AVC) TS Broadcast stream to BDMV with no re-encode with full success?
No. Sorry for confusion. I missed that part of your post that those files were AVC. I only have MPEG2 files.

Check this thread again, last pages. I think somebody had success with AVC filse and TSRemux:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

creator441

08-14-07, 01:09 PM

No. Sorry for confusion. I missed that part of your post that those files were AVC. I only have MPEG2 files.

Check this thread again, last pages. I think somebody had success with AVC filse and TSRemux:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

I am reading that thread at doom9 daily and I would have posted in it already if it was not for the "You need to be registered for at least 5 days to post" message. :(

I think I will be able to post tomorrow so I'll ask for help there. I think I saw somebody who said he had success but he wasn't too specific on the details.

Also, after reading some older pages of this thread here, I would like to say to Laura and others who want to stream larger than 4GB files from their PC to their PS3 that they don't have to use BD-RE's to transfer files to the PS3. I use Red Kawa server to do it but there is some restrictions to the extension of the files you transfer. i only used it to transfer ".mp4" files so far and the PS3 detects it as an accepted video files and you can download the files directly from the PC to the PS3's HDD using the web browser on the PS3.

Basically, the red kawa server is a simple web server that you can connect to using the PS3's web browser and that permits you to access your drives (C:, D:, etc.) on your PC. The server is extremely easy to use and is free.

Red Kawa File Server (http://www.redkawa.com/fileserver)

Tom Roper

08-14-07, 04:34 PM

MozartMan

08-14-07, 05:16 PM

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/48942858/test16.ts.html).

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.
Tom,

I get audio out of sync after demuxing and then remuxing with Elecard Xmuxer Lite. I also tried to mux with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and audio/video in-sync.

BTW, video looks great. What camera is that? Is this re-encoded video/audio, or raw captured HDV? How did you get this ts file?

Tom Roper

08-14-07, 06:43 PM

Tom,

I get audio out of sync after demuxing and then remuxing with Elecard Xmuxer Lite. I also tried to mux with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and audio/video in-sync.

BTW, video looks great. What camera is that? Is this re-encoded video/audio, or raw captured HDV? How did you get this ts file?

Thanks so much for helping me again MozartMan!

FYI, it is raw unencoded HDV clips taken by the Canon XH-A1, cut with Videoredo, the audio stream converted to AC3 by Womble.

Tom Roper

08-14-07, 06:46 PM

Thanks so much for helping me again MozartMan!

FYI, it is raw unencoded HDV clips taken by the Canon XH-A1, cut with Videoredo, the audio stream converted to AC3 by Womble.

Which gave me a thought...I wonder if you passed that AC3 audio stream through Vegas 7 if it would mux back together in-sync with the video...hmm...

Then again, it shouldn't matter.

creator441

08-14-07, 09:40 PM

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/48942858/test16.ts.html).

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.

I tried what you asked for. To be clear, I demuxed the clip to get a mpv and mpa (mpeg 2 audio) file and then I immediately remuxed it with Xmuxer Pro. Everything is perfect, no delay. Which made me think about Xmuxer Lite being the problem. So, I downloaded the Xmuxer Lite trial and did the same test and yes I have an audio sync issue. Xmuxer Pro, at least the version I have, is perfect.

By the way, a program named delaycut, which is free, can help out when you need to sync an AC3 file with a video. It can add silence delay or cut a part of a ac3 without recompression. You can find it here (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/audiotools.htm)

Tom Roper

08-15-07, 12:21 AM

I tried what you asked for. To be clear, I demuxed the clip to get a mpv and mpa (mpeg 2 audio) file and then I immediately remuxed it with Xmuxer Pro. Everything is perfect, no delay. Which made me think about Xmuxer Lite being the problem. So, I downloaded the Xmuxer Lite trial and did the same test and yes I have an audio sync issue. Xmuxer Pro, at least the version I have, is perfect.

By the way, a program named delaycut, which is free, can help out when you need to sync an AC3 file with a video. It can add silence delay or cut a part of a ac3 without recompression. You can find it here (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/audiotools.htm)

Very helpful. Thanks for trying! Would that latest file of mine successfully burn to BDMV and play with AC3 5.1 384 kbps sound? Earlier you said you had to convert the audio stream to 192 kbps 2.0 but MozartMan has reported success with AC3 5.1.

I'm been through so many steps I actually can't retrace them all. It occurs to me the choppy play could be something I'm doing. The latest file of mine (which you have) seems to play smoothly I think, even after the TSRemux, or at least the BDMV 0001.m2ts file which VideoLan VLC player does manage to play well but without sound. The choppy play may have been when I used TSRemux to create a regular TS file, one that I could playback with sound in Windows Media Player 10. I haven't got a super great PC, it's a HP laptop with T2250 1.73GHz DuoCore, 7200rpm hard drive and Nvidia 7600. It manages okay but is outclassed. My point about that, is that I'm used to not always having non-choppy stutter free video, but when it gets burned to HD DVD, it's utterly smooth every time. With BDMV I don't know as yet what result I've got because I don't have the burner. In fact I'll probably have the burner before I even have the Blu-ray player itself, because my focus right now is on authoring, not movie watching. Same for HD DVD. I have that workflow down pat, but will the format survive, who knows.

Do you or MozartMan have a BD burner recommendation? I only see one option for an external, the LaCie, expensive and uncertain. I'm probably better off getting an internal and finding a PC case to put it in, that leaves the Sony, Panasonic, LG and Phillips/BenQ. The Sony I know uses an IDE interface, the others I think may have SATA. It's only important in the sense that some of the new desktop PCs from HP or Compaq don't even have the IDE interface anymore. The Sony however is the only unit I've seen at retail, the others are all solid brands but I know that Phillips/BenQ has been regarded as top tier at CD Freaks. Anyway, other things factor in, what it ships with, if anything, and whether and what media it supports. Do you have strong preferences for any?

creator441

08-15-07, 09:09 AM

Very helpful. Thanks for trying! Would that latest file of mine successfully burn to BDMV and play with AC3 5.1 384 kbps sound? Earlier you said you had to convert the audio stream to 192 kbps 2.0 but MozartMan has reported success with AC3 5.1.

I'm been through so many steps I actually can't retrace them all. It occurs to me the choppy play could be something I'm doing. The latest file of mine (which you have) seems to play smoothly I think, even after the TSRemux, or at least the BDMV 0001.m2ts file which VideoLan VLC player does manage to play well but without sound. The choppy play may have been when I used TSRemux to create a regular TS file, one that I could playback with sound in Windows Media Player 10. I haven't got a super great PC, it's a HP laptop with T2250 1.73GHz DuoCore, 7200rpm hard drive and Nvidia 7600. It manages okay but is outclassed. My point about that, is that I'm used to not always having non-choppy stutter free video, but when it gets burned to HD DVD, it's utterly smooth every time. With BDMV I don't know as yet what result I've got because I don't have the burner. In fact I'll probably have the burner before I even have the Blu-ray player itself, because my focus right now is on authoring, not movie watching. Same for HD DVD. I have that workflow down pat, but will the format survive, who knows.

Do you or MozartMan have a BD burner recommendation? I only see one option for an external, the LaCie, expensive and uncertain. I'm probably better off getting an internal and finding a PC case to put it in, that leaves the Sony, Panasonic, LG and Phillips/BenQ. The Sony I know uses an IDE interface, the others I think may have SATA. It's only important in the sense that some of the new desktop PCs from HP or Compaq don't even have the IDE interface anymore. The Sony however is the only unit I've seen at retail, the others are all solid brands but I know that Phillips/BenQ has been regarded as top tier at CD Freaks. Anyway, other things factor in, what it ships with, if anything, and whether and what media it supports. Do you have strong preferences for any?

Well, the problem I had before with the AC3 5.1 sound was that I was unable to mux in Xmuxer Pro without Xmuxer Pro freezing in the middle of the job. I'm sure if it would mux it would work perfectly. I can try to do it tonight.

I suppose that you are burning HD-DVDs on DVD-R discs? Frankly, I don't see the point of HD-DVD for burning your own movies on a PC because you have less space than on Blu-Ray discs. This is where the space factor all comes in. I would not even bother to make HD-DVDR discs and HD-DVD burners if I were them. Besides, Blu-Ray is looking way better than HD-DVD so far.

As for BD recommendations, well I don't know much about them. I own the Sony BWU100A because it was so cheap at my Future Shop here. I got it for 500$CAN plus taxes. It is rather cheap for a Blu-Ray burner. At the same time when I bought it, I saw the drive and the other brands at about 750 to 850$US on the net. The Sony works like a charm so far but I only use it when I burn BD-R or BD-RE. I use my other burner for DVDs. You can get full 2.0x sustained burning speed ont he Sony but you need to use ImgBurn to burn the file since it's the only application I saw so far that can turn off the drive's internal verification system that slows down the process to 1.0x speed which is way too long. The veirifcation process I am talking about is not the VERIFY software option, it is something else that the drive uses internally (hardware) and seems to be forced when using most burning software with no option to turn it off (except in ImgBurn).

I also had the choice of the LG 4x burner when I got my Sony but I read that the LG did not support dual layer Blu-Ray discs for writing. If that is true, I would not touch that drive because you need that support for the future. I have one dual layer disc myself but I am still wondering what I will put on it because frankly it is so costy that I want to use it when it's really worth it. Still, the disc cost will go down so get a dual layer capable writer.

As for the comparison of the software that comes with the burners, the Sony one doesn't have anything super with it if I remember correctly. Maybe Power2Go from Cyberlink and a couple other Cyberlink apps. I don't know what programs comes with the other drives but I know there is a bundle somewhere on the net with a Blu-Ray burner that comes with DVDIt Pro HD... I think it is the Pioneer burner. That would be good as DVDIt Pro HD is worth it imho. The bundle was still near 1000$US I think though but I think I saw it more near the 500$-700$US lately but I may be mistaking.

creator441

08-15-07, 01:37 PM

I got a reply from doom9's forums for my H264 to m2ts problem about my PS3 reverting to 480p on playback.

It seems like since I have an NTSC PS3 and the clip that I use is 25fps (PAL), that it is the normal behavior of the NTSC PS3 Blu-Ray software player to go down to 480p60.

Supposedly, the XMB on the PS3 (dashboard) can play 25fps without the resolution change though as the software is identical in both NTSC and PAL PS3 for that part.

I already have 25fps DVD MPEG-2 clips that plays fine on my PS3 so I only need to test it with that HD clip of mine to see if it's true that it will play full-res in the dash without re-encode.

In any case, it seems I will never be able to get those european broadcast clips to work on my PS3 without transcoding them to 60 fps which will probably end up looking pretty bad from what I know of PAL to NTSC conversions. Then again I did manage to do that with Nero Vision 4 and the motion was still smooth at first glance... I still need to confirm that Nero converted the clip to 60 fps when it worked though... maybe it did something else.

BenjaminG

08-16-07, 06:25 AM

Does anyone have a good method for converting MKV's to a Blu-ray disc. Doesnt matter what programs you use, I'm just interested to hear from anyone who has a good track record with doing this. It looks like TSRemux will be gearing up for this, but yeah.

Cheers!
Ben

Brajesh

08-16-07, 09:00 AM

creator441

08-16-07, 09:29 AM

I'm waiting on TSRemux to support h.264 AVC MKV-to-Blu-ray ... it already does MPEG2 MKV-to-Blu-ray as far as I know.

Does anyone know if TSRemux can do h.264 TS-to-Blu-ray for 1440x1080 & 1280x1080 resolutions?

I did some more tests yesterday night with H264 TS to blu-ray using TSRemux (no re-encode) and it already supports it correctly from what I can see BUT you will need to have a 29.97 (60i) framerate if you plan on using it on an NTSC PS3... The reason for this is that the PS3's Blu-Ray software player will play the clip in 480p (low res) if you do not have a 23.976 or 29.97 clip.

I changed the header of my 25 FPS H264 TS source to 23.976 or 29.97 before passing it in TSRemux using h264info. The result was that the clip finally played in high res but the PS3 was not deinterlacing anymore so it wasn't pretty in 1080i output mode.

The best method so far is to use Nero Vision 4. It will re-encode the stream and all works fine BUT it seems that he leaves the framerate to 25FPS and it still plays to full res on my PS3. Something is weird in all this. Maybe the creator of TSRemux can do a patch for NTSC machines when using a 25 fps h264 source since the 25 fps Nero Vision 4 clip played perfectly on my PS3 in BDMV?

Brajesh

08-20-07, 09:57 AM

Thanks for posting your test results. My MKVs are 720p h.264 files, which TSRemux did process, but the m2ts stream it created didn't work. It also took a long time for the MKV file to load in TSRemux.

creator441

08-20-07, 04:27 PM

Phloyd

08-24-07, 01:26 AM

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.

Audio can be a problem if the source starts as 2.0 and changes to 5.1 after a few frames of audio. DVDit Pro HD will use the channel arrangement of the first frame. It is possible to fake out the first frame to look like 5.1 to get around this (though there is no tool for it commonly available, you can do it with a hex editor).

I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

TS streams from Movie Central in Canada have this characteristic and sometimes it causes compatibility issues. I have found that removing the display extension that has the 1440 information in it (I believe Restream.exe can do this) allows the TS to be used.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.
65Mbps headers are a problem also of course :)

Have fun! Glad you made progress.

Once a TS is demuxed, Restream.exe is an excellent tool for tweaking the headers in an MPEG2 video elemental stream.

creator441

08-24-07, 10:07 AM

Audio can be a problem if the source starts as 2.0 and changes to 5.1 after a few frames of audio. DVDit Pro HD will use the channel arrangement of the first frame. It is possible to fake out the first frame to look like 5.1 to get around this (though there is no tool for it commonly available, you can do it with a hex editor).

TS streams from Movie Central in Canada have this characteristic and sometimes it causes compatibility issues. I have found that removing the display extension that has the 1440 information in it (I believe Restream.exe can do this) allows the TS to be used.

65Mbps headers are a problem also of course :)

Have fun! Glad you made progress.

Once a TS is demuxed, Restream.exe is an excellent tool for tweaking the headers in an MPEG2 video elemental stream.

Hey Phloyd, thanks for remembering me ;)

I'll check out and try to find Restream.exe. I have 300 programs right now with all the tests that I did but I don't have Restream.exe.

Yes, I do have some that starts in 2.0 and then gos to 5.1. This was not the problem with my test stream so far though as I didn't use those types yet or cutted the start of the stream to remove that DD2.0 section.

Paultje66

08-26-07, 06:34 AM

Hi all,

I have a question regarding max file size for blu-ray. Is it correct that i cant go above 22000mb in nero when i want to make an blu-ray image?

MozartMan

08-26-07, 08:16 AM

Hi all,

I have a question regarding max file size for blu-ray. Is it correct that i cant go above 22000mb in nero when i want to make an blu-ray image?

I think that's correct.

Phloyd

08-26-07, 02:44 PM

The disc capacity is different between BD-RE and BD-R.

I don't have the exact numbers handy, but it can be annoying. BD-R can handle the full '25GB' but BD-RE is a little short. I think that Nero shows that difference with a short yellow bar at the bottom if you exceed BD-RE but not BD-R (it has been a while I burned with Nero).

tbui57

08-31-07, 02:15 PM

Dear Gurus,

I have the Sony HC3 hidef camcorder, and would like to be able to make hidef DVD playable on the BD player (similar to the HD-DVD reauthoring). Have any one been able to do the same thing for BD ?

BD burner & recordable media is still expensive at this time. What I understand is (forgive my poor knowledge in this subject):
1. content in HC3 can be captured and encode in MPEG2, MPEG4 etc. BD (as well as HD-DVD) can decode MPEG2/4
2. as long as the content is not larger than 4.7G, we should be able to write to a single layer DVD, and play back on the BD player.

If some one knows how to do this, please share the knowledge & the software used. Thanks - Grazie & Gracias...

Brajesh

09-04-07, 09:07 AM

I have the same HD camcorder. If your BD player is the PS3, all you have to do is convert from TS to MPG and burn to a single- or double-layer DVD+/-R. Even MPGs larger than 4GB work. You don't get any menus, but the PS3 plays the MPGs just fine. Instead of a single, large MPG, I create segments, then just use the PS3's XMB to play whichever MPG segment I want.

If your BD player is NOT the PS3 or you want a true BDMV on a DVD+/-R, then see my next post as I'm looking to do the same thing...

Brajesh

09-04-07, 09:09 AM

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! I'm pretty happy about that as this means I don't need TSRemux for those streams and it will make things way more easier since I can add chapters, subtitles, etc. with no re-encode. I don't know what will happen to the sound though... hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.

I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.

Two sets of questions for creator441, or anyone who can help...

Are you saying the 1920x1080 works, but not 1440x1080 (most HDV camcorders) w/DVDIt Pro HD? In the previous page, you outlined steps in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11295315&postcount=563) to create a BDMV w/MPEG2 HDV footage...does this still work w/the latest v0.0.18 TSRemux? I don't need menus, so I'm wondering if TSRemux will work if I have 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 MPEG2 files w/DD5.1.

I also have H.264 MPEG4 captures off my Nextcom-modded Dish receiver. They are 1440x1080 MTV-HD TS files. When I used TSRemux to create a Blu-ray structure and burned to DVD-R, my PS3 recognized the disc as AVCHD and played it w/perfect DD5.1, but no picture :(. Would you know if this may be because of the H.264 profile or does the PS3 not like H.264 w/1440x1080 resolution?

tbui57

09-04-07, 09:38 AM

Thanks Brajesh,

I don't have the BD player yet, although I am leaning toward the sony S300. Will the S300 works with regular DVD-R & HC3 ? I can wait for S500 if it makes any differences. I can get PS3 if it is the preferred platform.

Would you be able to compile a step-by-step how to burn HC3 to regular DVD for BD player, including the software and hardware requirements (the PC & speed & window XP with service pack #, and the BD player that can play this DVD-R)

Thanks a million.

Brajesh

09-04-07, 11:40 AM

creator441

09-04-07, 01:23 PM

Two sets of questions for creator441, or anyone who can help...

Are you saying the 1920x1080 works, but not 1440x1080 (most HDV camcorders) w/DVDIt Pro HD? In the previous page, you outlined steps in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11295315&postcount=563) to create a BDMV w/MPEG2 HDV footage...does this still work w/the latest v0.0.18 TSRemux? I don't need menus, so I'm wondering if TSRemux will work if I have 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 MPEG2 files w/DD5.1.

I also have H.264 MPEG4 captures off my Nextcom-modded Dish receiver. They are 1440x1080 MTV-HD TS files. When I used TSRemux to create a Blu-ray structure and burned to DVD-R, my PS3 recognized the disc as AVCHD and played it w/perfect DD5.1, but no picture :(. Would you know if this may be because of the H.264 profile or does the PS3 not like H.264 w/1440x1080 resolution?

Hello, sorry for the long time to reply.

Yes, do nto worry the HDV footage from an HDV camera will work superbly with my mehtod described as before. For the other footage I had, it seemed to be a mised bag. Using VideoRedo, it was saying 1920x1080 for one resolution and 1440x1080 for DisplayRes. I don't remember the name of the first resolution but it is the two boxes in VdeoRedo when you do CTRL-L. I think that for HDV, both boxes are 1440x1080 and using that with TSRemux on a BDMV makes all work fine. I think DvdItPro HD does not accept the HDV file directly though and says it is not compliant but I don't remember for sure on that part. If I said it didn't work in my previous post then it doesn't but my memory can be short sometimes ;) But yes, the method with TSRemux and Xmuxer Pro works fine for BDMV.

As for the 1440x1080 TS captures, I have no idea. I have had problems (and still do) with H264 to BDMV but it all depends ont he source. If you use a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray video file as source it works fine but my source was a PAL 1920x1080 H264 with DD Ac3 audio and the PS3 reverts to 480p when playback because I have an NTSC PS3. What is the framerate of your MTV-HD captures and do you have a PAL or NTSC PS3? I changed the framerate to 23.976 with h264info and it played full res but no deinterlacing anymore so it looked bad. If your source matches your PS3 (NTSC-NTSC or PAL-PAL), I don't see why it wouldn't work on the PS3. Also, you are right in worrying about the profile or the 1440x1080 with H264. I have no idea if one or both of those are the problems. Try changing the profile to 4.1 with h264info (on the elementary h264 file) and I think you can also change the resolution with h264info so you can try to put 1920x1080 (even if it's not true) and check what happens. That would be what I'd try.

Brajesh

09-04-07, 01:51 PM

SS Scott

09-04-07, 02:22 PM

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

creator441

09-04-07, 02:23 PM

Thanks for the tips on H.264 caps. Guess I need to experiment some more. With Dish (and DirecTV) switching so many of their HD channels to H.264, we need a reliable solution soon. MPEG2 is so much easier to deal with than H.264.

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

creator441

09-04-07, 02:27 PM

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Scott,

Is there any plans to add H264 and VC1 support in DVDIt Pro HD so that you can import those in elementary stream format and have no recompression done to them?

I didn't try H264 yet but I think it's only supported in a mp4 container and will probably recompress always and VC1 is not supported at all.

MozartMan

09-04-07, 04:34 PM

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Sony already released firmware upgrade for S300 to support BDMV on BD-R/RE.

Phloyd

09-04-07, 11:14 PM

Fry's have Panasonic BDRs for $8, 50 GB for $25.

Have fun!

Tom Roper

09-05-07, 02:05 AM

I'm not an expert on this, so that's why I asked a few questions one post up ;).

I'm a lot more familiar w/HD DVD authoring on DVD media (see my signature for an excellent guide by another AVS member), which IMHO is more stable & predictable. No 5.1 audio issues, the stuttering is now fixed, plus w/Ulead MovieFactory 6+ the workflow is streamlined & you get full motion menus if you want.

The workflow for BDMV with menus is to author with DVDit, but since it re-encodes most everything, the kludge is to replace the video files it creates with ones compiled by TSRemux. But to get TSRemux working is a kludge unto itself, first have to demux into audio+video elementary streams, and then remux it with XMuxer Pro just to get a TS that TSRemux can author into Blu-Ray, and hope that you have sound, hope that 1440x1080 plays without stutter. Good grief, and good luck.

You could skip the DVDit step and just let TSRemux author the BDMV without menus, but if you would settle for only that why bother, just author to BDAV with MF6+.

At some level, you can get home authored BD video to play. At best, HDV plays back on the PS3 without any special effort. At worst, you don't get playback at all on some Blu-ray players no matter what you do. To me, Blu-ray as a distribution format is a broken mess. Creator441 and Mozartman have been instrumentally helpful, but unless you just want to prove that you can get something to play, I don't see the point in spending the money on BD burners, media and software because there is zero assurance of playback compatibility across the board. Understand, there is a big difference in achieving personal playback (most likely on your PS3), and being able to hand out a BD disk to your friends and family and say, "Here, play this."

Most people who own a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player are probably thrilled if they are able to achieve HD playback of their personal HDV video. But honestly, if that's all I was trying to achieve, I had that covered 3 years ago with the I-O Data AVeL Linkplayer II, or HTPC, or streaming HD media servers from Buffalo, JVC and others.

The realization is that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are mere tools for personal playback of HD files. My judgment as a distribution format is that HD DVD is demonstrably superior except for storage capacity. So that's the trade off. Storage capacity versus ease and universal compatibility.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

Brajesh

09-05-07, 08:33 AM

Tom, well said. With my home movies in HDV, I create a HD DVD version for myself & a standard DVD version for my family. I always save the raw MPEG2 captures because who knows if either HD DVD or BD will survive.

Brajesh

09-05-07, 08:36 AM

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.

creator441

09-05-07, 09:46 AM

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

Well, you did more tests than me on the compatibility issues. You are right, I am doing it for personal playability and for my friends with PS3s basically. I know PS3 will ensure that blu-ray will always be there (the games are on Blu-Ray discs) so I am not afraid of players disappearing. HD-DVD can easily die though (only Toshiba players and 360 add-on that would get discontinued if HD-DVD dies) so keep that in mind.

Another point to take into account imho is that little people have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players anyway. Only DVD is widespread for now so making HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs right now for giving to your family is pointless.

I do it for my personal viewing or inviting people to my place to view my footage. I also prefer Blu-Ray for quality of media, more storage space and better player. My Toshiba HD-DVD skips, my PS3 never gave even a hint of a problem while playing back Blu-Ray movies. The hardware is bad right now on HD-DVD side, they need to correct all the freeze and bugs. Maybe the stand-alone Blu-Ray players are not better but I know the PS3 is perfect.

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.

Well, that's kinda bad. At that resolution it was almost better to have the 1920x1080 MPEG-2 streams. The problem with cable is that they will lower the bitrate or res or both because they need to fit so much HD channels on the cable. Thank god for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.