^ Going from red to blue is trivial. Going from blu to red has several obstacles. First you need to force the GOP size to 1sec, meaning you have to convert a P picture before the 1sec mark of every GOP to an I picture, then you also have to reencode the video ES to not cross 28Mbps at any point. Most of Disney and Sony and Fox releases in AVC or VC1 or MPEG2 all have to be reencoded this way or it will not play. Especially the ones that are practically averaging 35Mbps for several minutes of tough sections.

max GOP for RED is 0,6sec vs 1sec max GOP for BLU
Also HD use 23,976fps and BD 24p. Warner do encode for HDDVD then strip metadata from VC-1 header to have 24p. Bitrate (video) for BLU max 40Mbps for RED 28Mbps.

max GOP for RED is 0,6sec vs 1sec max GOP for BLU
Also HD use 23,976fps and BD 24p. Warner do encode for HDDVD then strip metadata from VC-1 header to have 24p. Bitrate (video) for BLU max 40Mbps for RED 28Mbps.

I 'studied' the HD DVD and BDMV formats from looking at ulead VS10+ output and AVCHD, as the specs were too dry to follow completely.

To get anything done, I stripped everything from the EVOB down to each individual elementary stream, the metadata are all discarded, but the main feature's video and main audio is retained. After that, I mux them to m2ts and build the folders and files at the same time.

Did you try this ISO image for BDMV to see if it plays on your player? I'm only able to test on PS3 and Panasonic. Samsung won't play it.
http://www.transferbigfiles.com/Get.aspx?id=1f4bcac2-20a1-4547-9247-3aa3917426cc

The stream was taken from MSFT's web site. It had GOPs as long 170 pictures (that's not in spec), and the bitrates were almost 50Mbps for 12seconds continuously --- also not in spec, but the BD players do play them, meaning these two at least are lax in enforcing those specs. The only problem for the BD players are the limits of the bitrate, if you make an AVC stream at 70Mbps for example, for sure Panasonic will choke but that's likely because it can't read them fast enough.

max GOP for RED is 0,6sec vs 1sec max GOP for BLU
Also HD use 23,976fps and BD 24p. Warner do encode for HDDVD then strip metadata from VC-1 header to have 24p. Bitrate (video) for BLU max 40Mbps for RED 28Mbps.

Actually, the HD DVD streams are flagged to 29.97 1080i. And that can be authored to BD just fine with the flags included (though they play as 1080i off the PS3 for example).

BD also uses 23.976 fps.

Hey guys,

I just purchased DVDIt Pro HD 6.3 to do some basic Bluray discs, and am trying to get a small HD project to play back on my Panasonic DMP-BD10A from DVD-R and I'm not having any success at all.

The BD10A originally had firmware 2.0 on it, so I upgraded the firmware to 2.2 which made no difference.

When I put the disc in the player, the on screen menu shows BD-Video for a second or two. It then says "now reading" in the bottom right corner. After that, Stop appears on the front panel of the player, and then the on screen message says "this disc is incompatible".

I've tried using DVD-R and DVD+R discs. I've tried burning with DVDIt using the burn from Image method and I've tried burning with ImgBurn. They both have the same results.

I am letting DVDIt do the MPEG-2 HD encoding for me. I've tried a couple of the preset encoding setups, and have also tried both 720p and 1080p.

Please let me know if this is operator error, of if the new BD10A doesn't support BDMV on DVD-R.

TIA for any suggestions that you may have.

Casey Mershon

Im about to take the plunge on an External Blu Ray Burner.
Since im new to it all anyone that can answer the questions below would be superb.
1.Which is the cheapest place to order the cheaper Memorex Blu Ray discs and im also looking for 1 RE-Writable so i can play around with.
2.Since im shelling out $700 on the Blu Ray Burner i don't want to pay $550 for DVDITPRO from ROXIO.
NERO claim they now support BLU RAY AUTHORING so does anyone have any experience with using Nero to create Blu Ray DVDS.
3.I have 4 years worth of TS files will all these need to be converted to MPEG2?
4.Im using the PS3 for Playback will Home Made Blu Ray discs work on the PS3?
5.Im buying the OWC MERCURY PRO does anyone know anything about this product?
I cant do Internal as im using 2 Laptops so it has to be USB.
Anyway im about to order this weekend so any advice before i do would be great.

Im about to take the plunge on an External Blu Ray Burner.
Since im new to it all anyone that can answer the questions below would be superb.
1.Which is the cheapest place to order the cheaper Memorex Blu Ray discs and im also looking for 1 RE-Writable so i can play around with.
2.Since im shelling out $700 on the Blu Ray Burner i don't want to pay $550 for DVDITPRO from ROXIO.
NERO claim they now support BLU RAY AUTHORING so does anyone have any experience with using Nero to create Blu Ray DVDS.
3.I have 4 years worth of TS files will all these need to be converted to MPEG2?
4.Im using the PS3 for Playback will Home Made Blu Ray discs work on the PS3?
5.Im buying the OWC MERCURY PRO does anyone know anything about this product?
I cant do Internal as im using 2 Laptops so it has to be USB.
Anyway im about to order this weekend so any advice before i do would be great.

1) If your only getting one BD-RE , I would just get it locally (Best Buy, Fry's) since it will pay for itself. :D
2) No exp. with Nero but the drive will probably have the Cyber stuff which will allow you to do \BDAV's but for \BDMV's you'll have to buy something for now...
3) Most likely but you may be able to convert without encoding...
4) \BDAV should work and if you get DVDit HD you'll need to apply a patch and you'll be good to go. Not sure about others.
5) No idea...

I tried using the latest Nero Vision (with blu-ray support). I tried to transcode a 1080i mpeg2 HBO movie. The result was:

1) My PS3 recognized the BF-RW media, but said invalid format.
2) I tried to play it back on my blu-ray player and the video started to play, but it wasn't really watchable; the video was jerky and a lot of missed frames.

The problem was in the transcoding of 1080i mpeg2---> Blu-ray format (not sure which one).

Im about to take the plunge on an External Blu Ray Burner.
Since im new to it all anyone that can answer the questions below would be superb.
1.Which is the cheapest place to order the cheaper Memorex Blu Ray discs and im also looking for 1 RE-Writable so i can play around with.
2.Since im shelling out $700 on the Blu Ray Burner i don't want to pay $550 for DVDITPRO from ROXIO.
NERO claim they now support BLU RAY AUTHORING so does anyone have any experience with using Nero to create Blu Ray DVDS.
3.I have 4 years worth of TS files will all these need to be converted to MPEG2?
4.Im using the PS3 for Playback will Home Made Blu Ray discs work on the PS3?
5.Im buying the OWC MERCURY PRO does anyone know anything about this product?
I cant do Internal as im using 2 Laptops so it has to be USB.
Anyway im about to order this weekend so any advice before i do would be great.

I tried using the latest Nero Vision (with blu-ray support). I tried to transcode a 1080i mpeg2 HBO movie. The result was:

1) My PS3 recognized the BF-RW media, but said invalid format.
mkanet,

You don't need Nero. If you have .TS file transfered from cable box, you can try TSRemux with Blu-ray option. It creates BDMV structure, but without menu.

I tried it and PS3 plays it great with 5.1 DD surround sound.

Check this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

Yeah that sounds ok but i need something that will create a menu also.
I cant afford to shell out $550 for DVDITHD much as i would like it.
Its a shame that ROXIO are charging so much for something that creates Blu Ray Movies
If anyone knows of any software thats cheaper that will allow me to make menus please let me know.

Does Blu-Ray option for BDMV work for 1440x1080i60 HDV mpeg-2 TS camcorder streams?

Does Blu-Ray option for BDMV work for 1440x1080i60 HDV mpeg-2 TS camcorder streams?
No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

Thanks a million for doing that MozartMan! Dumb question, but what is the XMB? MemoryStick? Internal hard disk drive? Can it play the m2t files from a DVD5/9? Thanks again for the awesome work you did!

Thanks a million for doing that MozartMan! Dumb question, but what is the XMB? MemoryStick? Internal hard disk drive? Can it play the m2t files from a DVD5/9? Thanks again for the awesome work you did!
XMB - Xross Media Bar (PS3 desktop you get after you turn on your PS3).
I know that PS3 plays .m2t files from the Memory Stick and from USB jump drive, and I think it should play .m2t files from DVD5/9 disks.

XMB - Xross Media Bar (PS3 desktop you get after you turn on your PS3).
I know that PS3 plays .m2t files from the Memory Stick and from USB jump drive, and I think it should play .m2t files from DVD5/9 disks.

What about through media center? Can you stream the .m2t file from a folder through Zune or WMP 11?

What about through media center? Can you stream the .m2t file from a folder through Zune or WMP 11?
I don't know. I think I only streamed SD MPEG-2 program stream when I played with the WMP11 streaming feature.
Try this forum:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=ps3media

Does anyone know what is available for converting a BLU RAY Internal to a EXT USB2 version.
I was going to purchase a 2x burner but i just noticed the LG version which is 4x but its Internal.
I only have Laptops so i need USB2 External only.
I have used the cases that fit 3.5 Hard Drives but ive not seen Burner cases anywhere.
Anyone know if this is even possible with BLU Ray Internal?

No, TSRemux doesn't load HDV *.m2t files.

I did the experiment.

1. Demuxed .m2t file to .m2v and .mpa with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
2. Encoded .mpa file to .ac3 with Vegas 7.
3. Muxed .m2v and .ac3 files into .ts file with Womble MPEG Video Wizard.
4. Loaded that new .ts file into TSRemux and remuxed with Blu-ray option.
5. Burned BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders to BD-RE with Nero with UDF 2.5.
6. PS3 plays BDMV disk with video, but no audio. And video is very jerky.

I guess it happens because PS3 assumes that video is 1920x1080.

BUT, if you have PS3, you can play .m2t files directly from XMB, and they play perfectly.

Have you tried authoring HDV into BDAV, as opposed to just playing .m2t files on the PS3? I am told if you author BDAV instead of BDMV, that 1440x1080i HDV is supported whereas on BDMV it has to be rendered to 1920x1080i? True? What if you patched the headers with HDpatch? Could you then author HDV to BDMV?

Okay thanks. I assume this won't work on a DVD-R or off a USB hard drive.

Maybe if you can make the PS3 boot it's blu-ray player with a DVD-R you will get 5.1 sound if your DVD-R is detected as a BDMV. What I think happens on the PS3 is that the dashboard has basic fonctions. THe sound can only be playes back in stereo because the basic player in the dash can't decode ac3 sound. Maybe they will add that later on with updates. The blu-ray player is a separate program and you can see the PS3 is taking some time to load that part when you listen to a blu-ray movie.

On another note, Phloyd I have a question for you. I saw your thread on the roxio forum (DVDIt Pro HD) and I am unable to get a mpeg2 transport stream to be blu-ray compliant with dvdit pro HD. I did the two steps you say to do with videoredo on my file and it will never be blu-ray compliant. I use elementary streams by the way and it will not be compliant.

Then, I tried to recompress the video elementary stream in TMPGEnc with the options that are presented in the sticky in the roxio forum and then the stream becomes blu-ray compliant according to DVDIt pro HD.

That's of no help to me as I don't want to recompress the file. It's a typical broadcast from HDTV television and I'm sure it's pretty much compliant. I don't know what to do so I don't know if you have any ideas to help me out?

The thing is, I want at least a menu on my BD-R so I need DVDIt Pro HD because TSRemux.exe does not put a menu. I want to put 2 movies per BD-R so I want a menu to at least be able to choose which one I will want to watch.

I did find a way that finally worked but it's a hassle and will present some small restrictions chapter-wise. Here's how it worked for me:

1) I create a project in DVDIt Pro HD that and I insert a menu with one button and one small compliant dummy video file and I create an ISO with DVDIt Pro HD.

2) I unpack the ISO with IsoBuster to get the blu-ray file structure created by DVDIt Pro HD. I can see the movie file is named 00000.m2ts and the menu is 00001.m2ts

3) I use TSRemux to create a blu-ray file structure with my movie file that will not be compliant with DVDIt Pro HD for some unknown reason. The movie file is named 00001.m2ts.

4) I take the 00001.m2ts movie file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.m2ts movie file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (I do a rename of the file).

5) I take the 00001.clpi clip information file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.clpi clip information file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (I do a rename of the file)

6) I take the 00000.mpls playlist file from the TSRemux structure and I copy it on the 00000.mpls playlist file in the DVDIt Pro HD structure (No rename necessary this time). In addition, I need to edit the playlist file in hexadecimal and change the name of the file in it from 00001M2TS to 00000M2TS so that the correct file will play (it is a playlist file).

7) I use Nero to create a UDF 2.50 image with the new DVDIt Pro HD structure with the files replaced.

8) I burn the image with ImgBurn.

With all these steps, I get what I want, a menu and then the file plays correctly and as not been recompressed. But, youc an see why I want to know how you can use the mpeg2 TS file without transcoding in DvdIt Pro HD.

I did some comparisons between the file that I recompressed with TMPGEnc that is compliant and the one that is not recompress and is not compliant and I don't see much differences except for the VBV BUffer which does not seem important according to more tests I did. Also, the GOP seemed fine but I did notice that all the GOPs are closed in the file I recompressed because I used the close all gops option and none are closed in the ts file. I don't know of any utility that will close the GOPs though. videoredo does nothing when I put the value 17 for max gop lenght so the original file must already be correct in that aspect and the bitrate value is 25000 which is quite fine too according to your post on the roxio board.

Any help would be appreciated. Maybe you can check my file and see what the problem is faster than me?

Anyway, thanks in advance for any tips.

Sorry, I made a double post ....

I am not at home at the moment so please PM me after August 22 if you still want me to look at a segment of your file.

Cheers!

I am not at home at the moment so please PM me after August 22 if you still want me to look at a segment of your file.

Cheers!

Ok thanks :)

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.



Have you tried authoring HDV into BDAV, as opposed to just playing .m2t files on the PS3? I am told if you author BDAV instead of BDMV, that 1440x1080i HDV is supported whereas on BDMV it has to be rendered to 1920x1080i? True? What if you patched the headers with HDpatch? Could you then author HDV to BDMV?

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.

Thank you for the reply.

You are saying that DVDit Pro HD will transcode 1440x1080i HDV into a BDMV compliant stream without rendering?

Is it the Blu-ray player that scales the frame back to 1920x1080i?

I have made some tests using TSRemux to generate a Bluray disk structure, using as input 1080i mpeg2-ts files, burning them with Nero (UDF 2.6) on a DVD and it plays perfectly on the PS3.

The disk is recognised as BDMV DVD-ROM

I now have a "bluray" SW Episode IV in two DVDs without any encoding...

Apparently people are having less success with H264/AVC inputs, probably due to wrong level (5.1 instead of 4.1 ?).

What is the problem with AVC to BDMV? I am asking because I have tried to put an AVC on a BD-R using TSRemux and it worked and the clip plays fine with no stutter and full sound (actually I didn't check the sound part) but the PS3 plays the file in low resolution, like in 480p. You can see the PS3 change the res (black screen) and then the file plays. Is that the problem people are having?

My source is a star wars clip from TV Broadcast and I'm pretty sure it's PAL (25 FPS). I have a NTSC PS3 (Canada).

I wonder if the reason for the resolution change is because the file is PAL? Maybe it's that level thing (5.1 versus 4.1) but I am unsure how to change that. I got h264info program so I may experiment with it tomorrow.

If somebody knows how to correct that resolution thing please give me a tip.

Thanks!

the comment below is not exactly correct. HDV is not BDMV legal in structure (not sure what the issue is with the streams). The size of the frame, however, is not a problem. if you take HDV into DVDit Pro HD, it should transcode it but leave it as 1440x1080i.

Few months ago i've did few tests for BD and HDDVD...If i remember correctly need to change flags of stream_hdv.m2t from MP@L1440 to MP@HL.
Use hexeditor to find 00 00 01 B51 46 and than replace 46 to 44 and save.

00 00 01 B51 46 MP@L1440 - this HDV
00 00 01 B51 44 Main@High - this need

Man oh man. I have been trying to put anything on Blu-ray, and I cannot get it to work.

1) I have a 15G TS file that i want on a disc - Ive tried TS Remux and that fails. I can get the exact error message for you, if someone is willing to help.

2) Ive tried all manner of muxing and remuxing to extract and reconstitute MKV files... with no luck. Why is this so damn hard?

I've tried pretty much every Blu-ray burning software. I really, really am at my wits end here. If there is a champ enough in this thread to help me with either of my two problems, I want to hear from this person.. please!

Man oh man. I have been trying to put anything on Blu-ray, and I cannot get it to work.

1) I have a 15G TS file that i want on a disc - Ive tried TS Remux and that fails. I can get the exact error message for you, if someone is willing to help.

2) Ive tried all manner of muxing and remuxing to extract and reconstitute MKV files... with no luck. Why is this so damn hard?

I've tried pretty much every Blu-ray burning software. I really, really am at my wits end here. If there is a champ enough in this thread to help me with either of my two problems, I want to hear from this person.. please!
Can you be more specific?

Thank you for the reply.

You are saying that DVDit Pro HD will transcode 1440x1080i HDV into a BDMV compliant stream without rendering?

Is it the Blu-ray player that scales the frame back to 1920x1080i?


I am using Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9 to transfer my HDV movies from HDV to BD-R. One of the advanced options is to have the CPU/Software take the 1140x1080 HDV signal and scale the signal to 1920x1080@60. I haven't burned a disc yet but was curious if anyone has any experience on which is better: burning it on the disc as is (1440x1080) and letting the player do the scaling or letting the software go ahead and convert it to a full 1920x180@60.

Just got my burner 2 days ago so any help or suggestions are appreciated before I ruin any of those expensive blanks!!

Chris

Can you be more specific?

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"

Whatever that means. Now apparently TSRemux is the easiest program to get a TS file to a Blu-ray disc, and no other programs have either accepted TS as a file format, or worked at all. These programs are:

TSRemux
Ulead DVD Movie Factory
Power Producer
DVD It Pro
Sonic Scenarist
Sonic Cinevision

So yeah, Ive tried em all, and no success.

On the MKV front, I have a lot of files encoded MP4 in an MP4 shell, and Id also like to get them onto a Bluray disc. I have been successful in splitting the MKV's into their elementary streams (.MP4 + AC3 audio files) but have not found success in reconstituting them as standard MP4 files which can then be used in Scenarist, or any of the above mentioned programs.

So yeah as I say, any help here, suggestions etc will be most appreciated :-)

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"
This is the old 0.0.16 version that has this bug. Newest versions don't have that.
You need to update. I have 0.0.17 and 0.0.18 and they work great for me.

Check this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

Interesting. I will get it now! Thanks for your help!

I am using Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9 to transfer my HDV movies from HDV to BD-R. One of the advanced options is to have the CPU/Software take the 1140x1080 HDV signal and scale the signal to 1920x1080@60. I haven't burned a disc yet but was curious if anyone has any experience on which is better: burning it on the disc as is (1440x1080) and letting the player do the scaling or letting the software go ahead and convert it to a full 1920x180@60.

Just got my burner 2 days ago so any help or suggestions are appreciated before I ruin any of those expensive blanks!!

Chris

Chris,
You're going to have a better encode by passing the 1440x1080 stream to the player without software encoding, IF the player will scale it.

If the software goes ahead and scales it, you are doing a time consuming render, losing quality, and creating a larger file size because of the frame size.
I'd appreciate hearing how it goes for you.

Thanks,
Tom

Sure. I have a 15GB .TS file and I want to burn it to a Blu-ray disc. So I use TSRemux, and I get a little way through and this error message comes up:

"Index was outside the bounds of the array"

Whatever that means. Now apparently TSRemux is the easiest program to get a TS file to a Blu-ray disc, and no other programs have either accepted TS as a file format, or worked at all. These programs are:

TSRemux
Ulead DVD Movie Factory
Power Producer
DVD It Pro
Sonic Scenarist
Sonic Cinevision

So yeah, Ive tried em all, and no success.

On the MKV front, I have a lot of files encoded MP4 in an MP4 shell, and Id also like to get them onto a Bluray disc. I have been successful in splitting the MKV's into their elementary streams (.MP4 + AC3 audio files) but have not found success in reconstituting them as standard MP4 files which can then be used in Scenarist, or any of the above mentioned programs.

So yeah as I say, any help here, suggestions etc will be most appreciated :-)

I have used the last week to do some testing with TS to Blu-Ray (I have a BD burner) so you can ask me questions.

I am now successfull in transforming MPEG2 TS to blu-ray but I still am trying to figure out a bug with H264 TS to Blu-ray which I can.t make work. without re-encoding.

The index out of bounds is a programming bug. THe tool is not full proof since it's being coded fast by one person I think (THanks a lot to this person he rocks) so try the latest versions indeed. If not, you can talk to dmz01 in the doom9.org forum in his thread about TSRemux. He reads all comments and will ask for a sample of your TS file to correct the bug if the newer versions does not work.

In any case, for me I use DVDIt Pro HD to auhthor a simple menu and I replace the files in the dvdit pro HD structure by the ones created by TSRemux because dvdit pro HD will not accept my mpeg2 ts as Blu-Ray compliant and will re-encode them and I don't want that. Using that way I'm pretty sure any mpeg2 ts will work.

H264 TS seems less easy to do and the bug I have is described above in this thread. The PS3 shows the AVC stream in 480p so it's reverting back to low res for some reason.

If your file is H264, you might have some problems but if your TS is a mpeg-2 it should be pretty smooth from my experience using only TSRemux even. I use dvdit pro HD because I want a menu and TSRemux does not permit that.

I have used the last week to do some testing with TS to Blu-Ray (I have a BD burner) so you can ask me questions.

I am now successfull in transforming MPEG2 TS to blu-ray but I still am trying to figure out a bug with H264 TS to Blu-ray which I can.t make work. without re-encoding.

The index out of bounds is a programming bug. THe tool is not full proof since it's being coded fast by one person I think (THanks a lot to this person he rocks) so try the latest versions indeed. If not, you can talk to dmz01 in the doom9.org forum in his thread about TSRemux. He reads all comments and will ask for a sample of your TS file to correct the bug if the newer versions does not work.

In any case, for me I use DVDIt Pro HD to auhthor a simple menu and I replace the files in the dvdit pro HD structure by the ones created by TSRemux because dvdit pro HD will not accept my mpeg2 ts as Blu-Ray compliant and will re-encode them and I don't want that. Using that way I'm pretty sure any mpeg2 ts will work.

H264 TS seems less easy to do and the bug I have is described above in this thread. The PS3 shows the AVC stream in 480p so it's reverting back to low res for some reason.

If your file is H264, you might have some problems but if your TS is a mpeg-2 it should be pretty smooth from my experience using only TSRemux even. I use dvdit pro HD because I want a menu and TSRemux does not permit that.

Have you tried burning any projects so created on red laser DVD-5/9 media?

From an HDV sourced 1440x1080i m2t file TSRemux 1.8 is giving me Blu-ray 00001.m2ts and does contain the AC3 5.1 audio stream that I muxed into it with Womble. That's progress from version 1.6 which was leaving out the audio elementary stream.

But the only check I have on whether it plays or not, is to use TSRemux on 00001.m2ts to revert it back to a 188 byte TS stream that I can play with an mpeg editor like Womble or Videoredo. In other words, you go from TS to Blu-Ray back to TS to see if it's a valid file, or did it get corrupted in those conversions. Well, it plays but roughly, audio and video skips, not too smooth, but I don't know if the Blu-ray would be playing correctly or not.

Have you tried burning any projects so created on red laser DVD-5/9 media?

From an HDV sourced 1440x1080i m2t file TSRemux 1.8 is giving me Blu-ray 00001.m2ts and does contain the AC3 5.1 audio stream that I muxed into it with Womble. That's progress from version 1.6 which was leaving out the audio elementary stream.

But the only check I have on whether it plays or not, is to use TSRemux on 00001.m2ts to revert it back to a 188 byte TS stream that I can play with an mpeg editor like Womble or Videoredo. In other words, you go from TS to Blu-Ray back to TS to see if it's a valid file, or did it get corrupted in those conversions. Well, it plays but roughly, audio and video skips, not too smooth, but I don't know if the Blu-ray would be playing correctly or not.

I didn't try that because I am not interested in using DVDs. I will be using BD-Rs (even if more costy) because of the space.

But I can do that now if you want. Inf act I'll do it just to see if it works for me too because some smaller stuff can be put on DVD+R DL I guess.

Do you want me to use a 1440 file or a broadcast 1920x1080 stream? I have an hd cam so I have sample 1440x1080i files. They play fine on the PS3 if put in the /VIDEO folder but I never tried in a BDMV structure. I think only BDAV supports 1440x1080 but I may be mistaking. THe best way is to test (Like ive been doing for 5 days lol).

I'll check it out now and report back.

That'd be awesome Creator. I'll be close by. 1440x1080i would be my preference if you have a suitable stream.

That'd be awesome Creator. I'll be close by. 1440x1080i would be my preference if you have a suitable stream.

I did a first test using a structure I had... it's 2 video and a menu with 2 buttons.. one is a mpeg2 ts 1920x1080 braodacast (interlaced) and the other is a AVC from broadcast too... in the blu-ray disc it boots the blu-ray player and shows menu... in the DVD-R version its a data disc but if I go to the stream directory the files play fine... don't know about the sound since they are stereo anyway.

DO you want me to test the 5.1 audio or not. Also do youw ant me to test if the blu-ray player boots and shows the menu etc. or are you only interested in the file playing correctly in the /VIDEO folder in the dashboard?

All this is on the PS3 by the way, I have no other blu-ray player and my pc dont work to play blu-ray because of powerdvd not liking graphics drivers etc.

I'm asking details because I dont have rewritabvle dvds so I need to waste 1 dvd each test.

Also, I will try UDF 2.60 next as I read that it helps on the PS3 versus UDF 2.50 when using DVD-R instead of BD-R media. This first test I used UDF 2.50

A lot earlier, it was written. It took 30mins burning a BD-25 in 2x. I'd like to see that. In ImgBurn ?.
I only tried Nero, it runs 2x All the way and it takes 100mins. And then it prepare to verify :)
(Sony BWU-100A, Philips 25GB discs)

I did a first test using a structure I had... it's 2 video and a menu with 2 buttons.. one is a mpeg2 ts 1920x1080 braodacast (interlaced) and the other is a AVC from broadcast too... in the blu-ray disc it boots the blu-ray player and shows menu... in the DVD-R version its a data disc but if I go to the stream directory the files play fine... don't know about the sound since they are stereo anyway.

DO you want me to test the 5.1 audio or not. Also do youw ant me to test if the blu-ray player boots and shows the menu etc. or are you only interested in the file playing correctly in the /VIDEO folder in the dashboard?

All this is on the PS3 by the way, I have no other blu-ray player and my pc dont work to play blu-ray because of powerdvd not liking graphics drivers etc.

I'm asking details because I dont have rewritabvle dvds so I need to waste 1 dvd each test.

Also, I will try UDF 2.60 next as I read that it helps on the PS3 versus UDF 2.50 when using DVD-R instead of BD-R media. This first test I used UDF 2.50

No, I think I'd be wasting your DVD-R media since it did not boot the Blu-ray player and show the menu, I would infer it's not going to boot on a standalone Blu-ray either.

One of the things I'm trying to decide is if I really have to have a Blu-ray burner to get into this. I'm willing to do it if I can get the basics to work properly, but holding me back, they are slow, expensive, and I'm not confident about result. You can help me to understand, and decide.

1.) HDV sourced 1440x1080i60 video is my focus. I want it to playback smooth, stutter free, and in-sync with the audio.
2.) I don't want it rendered by the authoring program. You've helped me already by explaining that DVDit Pro is rendering, that's why you are using TSRemux to replace the files inside the BDMV folders.

No, I think I'd be wasting your DVD-R media since it did not boot the Blu-ray player and show the menu, I would infer it's not going to boot on a standalone Blu-ray either.

One of the things I'm trying to decide is if I really have to have a Blu-ray burner to get into this. I'm willing to do it if I can get the basics to work properly, but holding me back, they are slow, expensive, and I'm not confident about result. You can help me to understand, and decide.

1.) HDV sourced 1440x1080i60 video is my focus. I want it to playback smooth, stutter free, and in-sync with the audio.
2.) I don't want it rendered by the authoring program. You've helped me already by explaining that DVDit Pro is rendering, that's why you are using TSRemux to replace the files inside the BDMV folders.

Ah but it depends. I never tried 1440x1080i files yet in DVDIt Pro HD. I will try that and see the compliance of it according to DVDIt Pro HD. My only tests so far was with a 1920x1080i 29.97 broadcast stream and one AVC 1920x1088i 25FPS one.

I have an HV10 camera and I'm pretty sure it does the 1440x1080i60 you want. I have test clips on my HDD. For DVDIt pro HD to not render, your stream must be of elemental types (m2v and ac3) and be compliant. I am not sure if DVDIt Pro HD aways re-encode the audio though. I will see.

So what you want to know is what exactly? I can already confirm you that if you put the 1440x1080i60 files in the /VIDEO directory of a BD-R or on an external HDD it will play in the dashboard of the ps3 perfectly with aspect ratio back to 16:9 etc. BUT stereo sound.

If you want me to test on BD-RE then I'll do that so you'll know if you can buy a blu-ray player with ease. Also if you want to send me a test clip using rapidshare or whatever, send me a link.

Also, I assume your 1440x1080i60 sources are in mpeg-2 right? If it's an AVCHD camera producing AVC stream I will need a sample.

EDIT: I just tried to import the mpv clip from my HV10 cam and it said it is not compliant with blu-ray in dvdit pro hd so it wil re-encode. I really would like to know what can be done so that I can edit completely with dvdit pro HD but oh well.

I will now use TSRemux and will do a first test on my BD-RE with the original mpeg2 1440x1080i60 video and mpeg2 audio (stereo).

I get audio stream of type 4 is not supported by blu-ray when I try to use the .m2t file directly to create a blu-ray file structure in TSRemux.

I will convert the mpa file in a stereo ac3 and try again but I am unsure if I have an ac3 encoder... I'll check.

I have an HV10 camera and I'm pretty sure it does the 1440x1080i60 you want. I have test clips on my HDD. For DVDIt pro HD to not render, your stream must be of elemental types (m2v and ac3) and be compliant. I am not sure if DVDIt Pro HD aways re-encode the audio though. I will see.

Elemental streams m2v and ac3 are no problem for me, except compliant? That's the question. Audio re-encoding is fine by me, just not the video stream.

So what you want to know is what exactly? I can already confirm you that if you put the 1440x1080i60 files in the /VIDEO directory of a BD-R or on an external HDD it will play in the dashboard of the ps3 perfectly with aspect ratio back to 16:9 etc. BUT stereo sound.

I'm not just wanting PS3 dashboard playback. I'm wanting to distribute a compatible disk to people who have Blu-ray players of any flavor. Menus are nice but not essential. For now, I can do with BDAV, *if* the video doesn't get re-encoded. I have a Canon HV10, also the Canon XH-A1.


If you want me to test on BD-RE then I'll do that so you'll know if you can buy a blu-ray player with ease. Also if you want to send me a test clip using rapidshare or whatever, send me a link.

That's very kind. Since you already have an HV10, I would accept your test result readily.

Also, I assume your 1440x1080i60 sources are in mpeg-2 right? If it's an AVCHD camera producing AVC stream I will need a sample.

Nope...Canon HDV, HV10, XH-A1, HV20, XH-L1 etc. 1440x1080i60 m2t, and I can split into elementary streams mpv and AC3 2.0 or 5.1.

EDIT: I just tried to import the mpv clip from my HV10 cam and it said it is not compliant with blu-ray in dvdit pro hd so it wil re-encode. I really would like to know what can be done so that I can edit completely with dvdit pro HD but oh well.

Whoops! I was responding point by point and just got to this! :(
That's a major stumbling block.

I will now use TSRemux and will do a first test on my BD-RE with the original mpeg2 1440x1080i60 video and mpeg2 audio (stereo).

THAT's where I can really be indebted to you...if TSRemux can be the missing link. You are on the right track. Thank you!!!

I get audio stream of type 4 is not supported by blu-ray when I try to use the .m2t file directly to create a blu-ray file structure in TSRemux.

I will convert the mpa file in a stereo ac3 and try again but I am unsure if I have an ac3 encoder... I'll check.

Yes! I saw that message too. I think it was for the mpeg 1 layer 2 HDV audio stream though.

I can send you an HDV clip with AC3 audio. I don't have an FTP site, but I think you posted a link above where it could get hosted. I'll go back and re-read.

FYI, Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD for $99 includes an AC3 encoder. In fact, this might be the fastest, they have a 30 day free trial with 100% full functionality, and the program is a small, short download, I think only about 10-12mb. You could grab the trial, and convert the HV10 audio to AC3 5.1 or stereo.

You use Womble to output the file as an mpg program stream. It contains the un-encoded mpv elemental stream already muxed with the AC3 audio stream. TSRemux 00.0.1.8 will load this input file without audio stream type 4 Blu-ray error, but will it then play properly after its burned on BD-RE? That's the question you can answer.

Let me know, feel free to call me if you desire...303-699-7080

Thanks,
Tom

Elemental streams m2v and ac3 are no problem for me, except compliant? That's the question. Audio re-encoding is fine by me, just not the video stream.



I'm not just wanting PS3 dashboard playback. I'm wanting to distribute a compatible disk to people who have Blu-ray players of any flavor. Menus are nice but not essential. For now, I can do with BDAV, *if* the video doesn't get re-encoded. I have a Canon HV10, also the Canon XH-A1.



That's very kind. Since you already have an HV10, I would accept your test result readily.



Nope...Canon HDV, HV10, XH-A1, HV20, XH-L1 etc. 1440x1080i60 m2t, and I can split into elementary streams mpv and AC3 2.0 or 5.1.



Whoops! I was responding point by point and just got to this! :(
That's a major stumbling block.



THAT's where I can really be indebted to you...if TSRemux can be the missing link. You are on the right track. Thank you!!!

Yes eheh we have different needs. I really want a menu and if dvdit pro HD wasn't so difficult with the streams I would gladly prefer to use that tool only to import media and make menus, chapters, etc.

What I do now with my own needs is this:

1) Import media in dvdit pro hd and say "Yes" to re-encode.
2) Make chapters in the stream and chapter menus.
3) Make an ISO and dvdit pro HD will re-encode.
4) Extract the ISO to get access to the files (STREAM, PLAYLIST, etc.)
5) Use TSRemux on the stream to create a blu-ray file structure.
6) Replace the playlist, stream and flip info files in the dvdit pro hd structures with the ones from tsremux (to get the no re-encode version AND the menus).
7) Burn the structure with replaced files.

This works perfectly for me so far for mpeg2 only. I didn't try 1440x1080i but I will be doin it right now since I got the ac3 encoder. It will be a 2.0 sound in ac3 for now and ill put a 5.1 from another movie after that if I can easily (HV10 does not do 5.1).

What is good also is that the chapters works fine even if I replace the stream. In fact I tested that the chapters are not bytes or time related but marker related. So even if I edit in dvdit pro HD and put like 5 chapters in the movie, when I say to TSRemux to do chapters every 5 mins, the first 5 chapters will match the ones from TSRemux no matter where I put the chapters in DVDIt Pro HD. In other words, I can import a very small file in dvdit pro HD that has nothing to do with the real video file I want on the bd-r, put some chapters randomly but the correct AMOUNT of chapters and then burn and then when I replace the stream with the one from TSRemux the chapters will match the TSRemux version. So, the re-encode can be FAST since I don't need to re-encode the full movie to get my chapters.

The only thing I can't get is the little pictures of the chapters in the chatper menus because you need to the correct file in dvdit pro HD since the pictures are auto-generated and gets deleted if you delete the movie in dvdit pro HD since it's LINKED. But doing text only chapters will work that way.

So frankly, I think it will work perfectly with 1440x1080i60 sources but I'll test now.

EDIT: YEs I have Womble MPEG Video Wizard already but where is the ac3 ewncoder? I used AC3Tools Pro demo from MEDIATWINS and was about to buy it since I think it's a cool and useful tool but since I already own womble it would be better to use that but I can't see the ac3 encoder in the menus? Where is it? Anyway I already have my ac3 file now but it would help me to know how to use ac3 encoder in womble.

Tom,

I see what you mean. I did the test and what I get is choppy framerate playback and no sound. In fact, when I press select on the ps3 there is no audio stream info at all. That is weird. But I am sure it's possible. Did you try BDAV or other tools? It is weird because the m2t file direct from camera plays perfectly in the dash for me.

I have quite some tools so I'll try more stuff including using the dvdit pro HD structure. The test I did now was with using only the structure from TSRemux.

EDIT: YEs I have Womble MPEG Video Wizard already but where is the ac3 ewncoder? I used AC3Tools Pro demo from MEDIATWINS and was about to buy it since I think it's a cool and useful tool but since I already own womble it would be better to use that but I can't see the ac3 encoder in the menus? Where is it? Anyway I already have my ac3 file now but it would help me to know how to use ac3 encoder in womble.

Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD is a slight upgrade over the regular MVW. It's the same program you have but includes the AC3 5.1 (!) encoder and DVD authoring. You should download the trial. You can buy it for an upgrade price since you are already a MVW user. It does a beautiful job converting your stereo audio from the HV10 and creating a 5.1 audio track with surround and subwoofer output.

Tom,

I see what you mean. I did the test and what I get is choppy framerate playback and no sound. In fact, when I press select on the ps3 there is no audio stream info at all. That is weird. But I am sure it's possible. Did you try BDAV or other tools? It is weird because the m2t file direct from camera plays perfectly in the dash for me.

I have quite some tools so I'll try more stuff including using the dvdit pro HD structure. The test I did now was with using only the structure from TSRemux.

Are you sure TSRemux did not drop the audio elementary stream? That's what it did to me, until I started feeding it the same file coded as mpeg program stream (filename.mpg). You can use Womble for that, or Videoredo etc...

The problem I have with BDAV, is that the only tool I have for creating BDAV is Ulead MF6+, and it doesn't let me create an iso image file, I have to have a BD burner to use it at all.

This program stream has AC3 5.1 audio, 1440x1080i60 mpeg-2 video. It loads into TSRemux and authors to Blu-ray, but whether it plays non-choppy or with audio I can't say. It's only a 5 second video to keep file size small, not sure if it's long enough to show chop or not.

Download link Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48423237/AVS_Test.mpg.html)

Chris,
You're going to have a better encode by passing the 1440x1080 stream to the player without software encoding, IF the player will scale it.

If the software goes ahead and scales it, you are doing a time consuming render, losing quality, and creating a larger file size because of the frame size.
I'd appreciate hearing how it goes for you.

Thanks,
Tom


That's what I figured but my concern was as to whether future (or current) standalones would accept such an oddball resolution. Currently I have a PS3 and haven't looked it up this resolution in its specifications yet. PS3 aside, I would really like to eventually get a standalone or a hybrid and I figured I'd have better compatibility results with 1920x1080 over 1440x1080.

Any thoughts?

The software I am currently using is Roxio's Easy Media Creator 9, it's leaves alot to be desired, like chaptering. Anyone know of a BR solution that would include chaptering?

That's what I figured but my concern was as to whether future (or current) standalones would accept such an oddball resolution. Currently I have a PS3 and haven't looked it up this resolution in its specifications yet. PS3 aside, I would really like to eventually get a standalone or a hybrid and I figured I'd have better compatibility results with 1920x1080 over 1440x1080.

Any thoughts?

Only that XDCAM HD 1440x1080 is the most widely used pro HD format in use.

This program stream has AC3 5.1 audio, 1440x1080i60 mpeg-2 video. It loads into TSRemux and authors to Blu-ray, but whether it plays non-choppy or with audio I can't say. It's only a 5 second video to keep file size small, not sure if it's long enough to show chop or not.

Download link Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48423237/AVS_Test.mpg.html)

THank you I will try. Yes I did try with a TS file and not a program stream so that's probably my problem. I will try your sample file and tell you the results!

I think some of the issues are caused by PC Blu-ray burners having a weaker laser for burning than commercial units, BD players have a weaker laser for reading and PC drives having a higher tolerance much like what was happening with DVD-R/RW and DVD players. The same disk would play fine in any DVD-ROM drive but cut out audio when playing on some a standalones.

It would be interesting to see if Standalone BD burners created more compatible disks.

Maybe but that's not my case. I have been authoring all week on the same BD-RE and never have stutter ont he PS3. IN fact, I am amazed at the BD-RE disc, it'S a real champ so far.

I just tried your test sample and the playback is stuttering as hell and the sound nonly does a pop sound at the end of the playback and I barely have time to see it as an AC3 1 channel stream... this is probably because the ps3 is mixed up...

By the way, I tried the sample in powerDVD and it's not playing smooth at all either. Are you sure your video file is ok? My CPU is at 44% and it's only mpeg2 anyway but it's not playing smoothly at all so the source is probably the reason. With that said, my source plays smoothly on the pc mostly with some weird vertical sync effet.

I will try with my source some more.

For ULEAD, yes I know what you mean. I was interested in it but when I saw that the software only permits blu-ray with the BD Recorder part and that the main application only supports HD-DVD (which I used in the past to make HD-DVD on DVD-R with ease) I was a little bummed. I think it's pretty much worthless for Blu-Ray for now.

Has anybody used Adobe Encore CS3 to master Blu-ray with an MPEG2 TS source?

Has anybody used Adobe Encore CS3 to master Blu-ray with an MPEG2 TS source?

From what I can see so far, Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 does not support the import of AC3 audio which is pretty stupid if you ask me. You need to import all the channels separately. But I didn't try to master a blu-ray with it.

Tom,

I tried to put my HDV clip from my HV10 camcorder through DVDIt Pro HD and I let DVDIt Pro HD transcode the video. All is playing perfectly when I use this method. I know transcoding is not wanted, even I would prefer no transcoding but it seems it's the only way I can find right now for BDMV. I don't know about BDAV but BDAV is very weak because you cannot do any menus at all.

I think one possibility would be in what vsv said before in this very thread. He said the following:

Few months ago i've did few tests for BD and HDDVD...If i remember correctly need to change flags of stream_hdv.m2t from MP@L1440 to MP@HL.
Use hexeditor to find 00 00 01 B51 46 and than replace 46 to 44 and save.

00 00 01 B51 46 MP@L1440 - this HDV
00 00 01 B51 44 Main@High - this need

I tried to do that but I could not find the numbers using an hex editor in my m2t file. I think this is the solution because when I tried to create an BDMV structure with Scenarist HDMV it said "Profile and Level error, level is 44 or 48 and it must be 46. Looks like Scenarist wanted the MP@L1440 but he saw something else.

I know this isn't really Blu-Ray Disc related, but I know a few of you here are filmmakers who encode content for playback on their PS3s. I'm trying to decide the best settings for all my media for my PS3. So far I've been doing MPEG-2 because that's what my HDV camcorder is encoding in, but now I'm thinking... since I'm already bringing MPEG-2 into Cineform, maybe I should use H.264 now instead of encoding the Cineform AVI files back to MPEG-2. Does anyone agree? Disagree?

I looked in the PS3 manual and it says it supports H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC) but it doesn't mention the Level. I think I remember some people saying 4.1 is the highest and that it won't play 5.1. Is that correct? Are there any other details that I should have on my mind when I'm tinkering with the H.264 encoder settings? I know there's a lot of options in ProCoder 3 and Adobe Media Encoder.

Tom,

I tried to put my HDV clip from my HV10 camcorder through DVDIt Pro HD and I let DVDIt Pro HD transcode the video. All is playing perfectly when I use this method. I know transcoding is not wanted, even I would prefer no transcoding but it seems it's the only way I can find right now for BDMV. I don't know about BDAV but BDAV is very weak because you cannot do any menus at all.

I think one possibility would be in what vsv said before in this very thread. He said the following:



I tried to do that but I could not find the numbers using an hex editor in my m2t file. I think this is the solution because when I tried to create an BDMV structure with Scenarist HDMV it said "Profile and Level error, level is 44 or 48 and it must be 46. Looks like Scenarist wanted the MP@L1440 but he saw something else.

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

Apologize if this has been asked already, but not finding it... which of the BD-burners will do 50GB, if not all of them? I was looking at the Lite-On and Philips at Frys over the weekend and they only mention 25GB discs. I seem to remember the Sony doing 50GB / DL but might be imagining that.

Also, has anyone done a breakdown on the various speeds, prices, and layer capability?

Well, I burnt my 15gb TS file with the new version of TSRemux... worked a treat!


One more question though, I have been able to split MKV files to their elementary .H264 and AC3 streams, input them in Sonic DVDIt Pro HD, but I get sound and a black picture. Anyone struck this problem.

Could It be the level 5.1 on the H264 video? If so, how do i convert it to something lesser like level 4?

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

Sure I will. I will report back when I did the test.

One more question though, I have been able to split MKV files to their elementary .H264 and AC3 streams, input them in Sonic DVDIt Pro HD, but I get sound and a black picture. Anyone struck this problem.

Could It be the level 5.1 on the H264 video? If so, how do i convert it to something lesser like level 4?

Woah you imported an H264 elementary stream in DvdIt Pro HD and it didn't say anything? DVDIt Pro HD does not support AVC (H264) streams at all. It only works with MPEG-2. I wonder why the program didn't warn you of that. I myself never even tried to import AVC stuff in DvdIt Pro HD.

Do you have any suggestions of a program that will do what I want to do, whilst keeping the AC3 audio? TIA!

Cheers
Ben

I know this isn't really Blu-Ray Disc related, but I know a few of you here are filmmakers who encode content for playback on their PS3s. I'm trying to decide the best settings for all my media for my PS3. So far I've been doing MPEG-2 because that's what my HDV camcorder is encoding in, but now I'm thinking... since I'm already bringing MPEG-2 into Cineform, maybe I should use H.264 now instead of encoding the Cineform AVI files back to MPEG-2. Does anyone agree? Disagree?

I looked in the PS3 manual and it says it supports H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC) but it doesn't mention the Level. I think I remember some people saying 4.1 is the highest and that it won't play 5.1. Is that correct? Are there any other details that I should have on my mind when I'm tinkering with the H.264 encoder settings? I know there's a lot of options in ProCoder 3 and Adobe Media Encoder.

I still can't make an H264 (AVC) stream to work correctly yet on BDMV. You can easily playback .mp4 streams in the dashboard though but you will only get stereo sound (no 5.1). If you are aiming for BDMV without recompression, you should use MPEG-2 but it will be more beautiful in H264. I'm sure I'll make H264 work soon (I hope) but it may depend on the help from dmz01 back at Doom9 with his TSRemux program. The problem I have so far is that the ps3 reverts to 480p while making the playback of my H264 sample. My sample is a broadcast in 25fps (PAL).

The only way I was able to make a successfull BDMV with an AVC H264 Broadcast TS was by using Nero Vision 4 to create the AVCHD structure but Nero will re-encode your H264 source to a compliant one that will play well in the PS3.

Do you have any suggestions of a program that will do what I want to do, whilst keeping the AC3 audio? TIA!

Cheers
Ben

I didn't have much success so far with h264 streams because the PS3 reverts back to low res (480p) when playback. I don't think I have the level error on my hand with my source file though. If you want to change the level, try h264info.exe but I don't really know how to use that program much. Do some experiments with it!

After you corrected the level, just use TSRemux to remux the file to blu-ray structure and it should play. Mine played fine but it went back to low res for some reason I still don't know. I will post about it tomorrow on doom9 (need to wait 5 days to post after registration argh!).

Creator,

Would you try one more time with TSRemux on the file linked-to below? I know this one is error free. It plays smoothly in VLC even after processing through TSRemux, and it shows an audio elementary stream (lossless PCM), although since the actual stream was AC3 5.1, I suspect it may not play with audio, but we won't know if you don't try it...many thanks.

Download Link, Click Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/48642971/test14.m2t.html)

Tom, SUCCESS!!!! :) But it was not easy and it turns out the reason I found the solution to the HDV to BDMV problem was when I was messing around with my other 1920x1080i60 hdtv broadcast stream. I saw that I could not use the first part of the broadcast file and it was doing the very same thing... stuttery and no audio. I used HDTVToMPEG to cut the broadcast to small pieces but the first part of the movie never worked but the others worked fine.

So, I concluded that if I try to cut the start of the HDV stream with HDTVToMPEG it may correct the situation too for the HDV... AND IT DID! :)

Here's how to do it for HV10 camera:

1) Demux the .m2t HDV file from the camera to elementary streams using videoredo. You should get a .m2v and .mpa file.

2) Use an AC3 encoder to create an AC3 file from the mpa file (mpa = not BD compliant). I use AC3Tools Pro which I bought. Awesome program (www.mediatwins.com).

3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard Xmuxer Pro. Unfortunately, don't use Womble because the TS created with Womble is not compatible with HDTVToMpeg I dunno why. Elecard Xmuxer Pro does a correct mux for HDTVToMPEG. Be sure to mux as a Transport Stream with XMuxer Pro. TS is the default anyway.

4) Open the newly muxed TS in HDTVToMpeg (I use version 1.11-Beta) and cut a small portion of the beginning of the stream using the things at the bottom. Use the ">" button to move slowly and cut a small part. To do it, move with ">", then click "Begin Include" button and then move back to beginning of stream and click the "Begin Exclude" button and the start of the stream will be marked RED (cutted). After that, select the PIDS (video and audio) in HDTVToMpeg of course, ensure that no clips will be done and click Process button to get a new TS. Be sure to export in Transport Stream mode again.

5) Open the newly created TS from HDTVToMpeg with the part cutted in TSRemux 0.0.18 and create a blu-ray structure.

6) Burn the blu-ray structure on a BD-R in UDF 2.50.

That's it! It works #1 with full sound and sync and smoothness of playback.

I have to note that your 5.1 stream did not work because TSRemux was not seeing the audio part at all when I imported the stream in step #5 above. So, I had to revert your sound back to AC-3 Stereo (2.0) in 192Kbps with AC3Tools Pro and then all went fine. I also tried to do a more standard (not lossless) 5.1 AC3 at 448Kbps but then it is Xmuxer Pro who froze when trying to mux (this is complicated stuff!).

By the way, I also tried with one of my HV10 clips before I tried with your clip and it seems I had to cut a larger part at the beginning of your stream for this trick to work. On my stream I cutted a smaller piece, like very small. I still only cutted like 1 or 2 seconds of your clip.

I also tried to put the TSRemux m2ts in the DvdIt Pro HD structure to have a menu and it still worked like a charm.

So, personally, I think that TSRemux does not like something at the beginning of some TS streams and if you cut it cleanly like HDTVToMpeg seems to do it, it will work like a charm. I also tried to just remux without cutting anything at the beginning but this never works even when using Xmuxer Pro.

HDTVToMpeg cannot cut on a specific frame, you can see it cuts only at some parts so it must be cutting at clean borders.

creator,

Thank you!

After playing with your method for two hours I finally got perfect BDMV on BD-RE from HDV .m2t file.

I have Sony HC1, and here is my steps:

1) Demux the .m2t HDV file to elementary streams using Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .m2v and .mpa file.

2) Use Vegas 7 to create an .ac3 5.1 (pseudo) file from the 2.0 stereo .mpa file.

3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .ts file.

4) Open the newly muxed TS file in HDTVToMpeg and cut a small portion of the beginning of the stream.

5) Open the newly created TS from HDTVToMpeg in TSRemux 0.0.18 and create a blu-ray structure.

6) Burn the blu-ray structure on a BD-R in UDF 2.50 with Nero.

This is getting better!

creator,

Thank you!

After playing with your method for two hours I finally got perfect BDMV on BD-RE from HDV .m2t file.

I have Sony HC1, and here is my steps:

1) Demux the .m2t HDV file to elementary streams using Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .m2v and .mpa file.

2) Use Vegas 7 to create an .ac3 5.1 (pseudo) file from the 2.0 stereo .mpa file.

3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .ts file.

4) Open the newly muxed TS file in HDTVToMpeg and cut a small portion of the beginning of the stream.

5) Open the newly created TS from HDTVToMpeg in TSRemux 0.0.18 and create a blu-ray structure.

6) Burn the blu-ray structure on a BD-R in UDF 2.50 with Nero.

This is getting better!

Yes, this is the exact steps I used too! :)

It is good that we can help each other. Now if only I knew the answers to those two questions:

1) Why are my MPEG-2 broadcast streams non BD compliant according to DVDIt Pro HD. It would be easier if DVDIt Pro HD would just accept the streams without re-encoding but I guess the TSRemux method at least still works.

2) Why is the PS3 displaying my TS stream that I remuxed with TSRemux in 480p (displaying in low-res) once on a BDMV structure burned on my BD-RE?

If somebody can help on this it would be cool. Number 1 would just make things easier but number 2 would really help me out as it is the only type of streams I can't get to work correctly yet on BDMV (basically I mean AVC broadcast streams).

I think this workflow may yet have some problems.

Using MozartMan's steps, I've narrowed it down that step number 3 is causing my audio sync to be off by about 1/2 second, video lags audio.

The ts file is good before the demux, but after the Elecard Xmuxer Lite muxes the AC3 stream with the mpv, two things seem to happen at that point, the audio sync gets ahead of the video, but also something else goes awry causing choppy play, and that's what HDTVtoMPEG2 fixes when you trim a few seconds from the beginning. That fixes the choppy play but not the audio sync.

Before the demux step by Elecard Xmuxer Lite, the audio and video are in sync, and playback is smooth.

But without the Elecard steps, TSRemux doesn't recognize the audio stream.

1) Why are my MPEG-2 broadcast streams non BD compliant according to DVDIt Pro HD. It would be easier if DVDIt Pro HD would just accept the streams without re-encoding but I guess the TSRemux method at least still works.
I can’t comment because I don’t have DVDIt Pro HD yet.
2) Why is the PS3 displaying my TS stream that I remuxed with TSRemux in 480p (displaying in low-res) once on a BDMV structure burned on my BD-RE?
I never had that problem. Check your PS3 settings. What firmware do you have?
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I think this workflow may yet have some problems.
Using MozartMan's steps, I've narrowed it down that step number 3 is causing my audio sync to be off by about 1/2 second, video lags audio.
The ts file is good before the demux, but after the Elecard Xmuxer Lite muxes the AC3 stream with the mpv, two things seem to happen at that point, the audio sync gets ahead of the video, but also something else goes awry causing choppy play, and that's what HDTVtoMPEG2 fixes when you trim a few seconds from the beginning. That fixes the choppy play but not the audio sync.
Before the demux step by Elecard Xmuxer Lite, the audio and video are in sync, and playback is smooth.
But without the Elecard steps, TSRemux doesn't recognize the audio stream.
2) Use Vegas 7 to create an .ac3 5.1 (pseudo) file from the 2.0 stereo .mpa file.
3) Mux the .m2v and the newly created .ac3 with Elecard XMuxer Lite. I get a .ts file.
I was getting the same audio/video sync issue where audio was getting ahead of the video by about 1/2 second after steps 2 and 3. Then I decided to double check my AC3 rendering template in Vegas. I noticed that I had it set for 448 Kbits/s. The original .mpa file from HDV is recorded at 384 Kbits/s. So, I changed template settings from 448 to 384. And I got perfect audio/video sync after step 3! May be it was a coincidence, but I got perfect BDMV compilation on BD-RE disk at the end. I’ll do more test with different .m2t clips.

I think this workflow may yet have some problems.

Using MozartMan's steps, I've narrowed it down that step number 3 is causing my audio sync to be off by about 1/2 second, video lags audio.

The ts file is good before the demux, but after the Elecard Xmuxer Lite muxes the AC3 stream with the mpv, two things seem to happen at that point, the audio sync gets ahead of the video, but also something else goes awry causing choppy play, and that's what HDTVtoMPEG2 fixes when you trim a few seconds from the beginning. That fixes the choppy play but not the audio sync.

Before the demux step by Elecard Xmuxer Lite, the audio and video are in sync, and playback is smooth.

But without the Elecard steps, TSRemux doesn't recognize the audio stream.

If you mean that the playback was smooth in the direct from camcorder .m2t then yes of course but you cannot use that by itself in BDMV. I didn't notice any lag in the video versus audio when I did the test but I didn't check super hard but I did check for it and it seemed right on. I encoded the AC3 in DD 2.0 192Kbps, maybe that's a clue to why it worked if you check MozartMan solution to the audio sync problem in his post.

One thing I can say for sure, Xmuxer is not the one who makes the choppy playback. It may be responsible for the audio sync but not the choppy playback. I am pretty sure that, logically, TSRemux is responsible for the choppy playback. If I use DvdIt Pro HD and it re-encodes, there is no choppy playback. A fix in TSRemux would probably get rid of the necessary extra step of cutting the clip in HDTVToMpeg. At least the method works for now.

One thing is weird though, I get the choppy playback bug using TSRemux even with Broadcast streams (I tried two different ones and both were choppy without the cut at the start of the stream) but I never saw anybody saying they needed to cut their clip for it to play smoothly?

I never had that problem. Check your PS3 settings. What firmware do you have?

That's the thing, I have the very last firmware (I always update since I need to log online, use PSN, etc.) and I get that low res playback of H264 files. The only way I can get it to play full-res is by letting Nero Vision 4 re-encode the stream when making an AVCHD. Then I can use the created .m2ts, .clpi and .mpls files from that Nero Vision 4 structure and use it in any structure (From DVDIt Pro HD or others) and all is fine. But I don't want a re-encode.

Do you mean that you were able to convert an H264 (AVC) TS Broadcast stream to BDMV with no re-encode with full success? If so, please tell me the steps you took. My test source is a SkyHD 25fps 1920x1088i H264 stream with dolby digital 5.1 sound (AC3). I also tried with a 1920x1080 source and it still goes to low res. I would appreciate help on that. Thanks.

I was getting the same audio/video sync issue where audio was getting ahead of the video by about 1/2 second after steps 2 and 3. Then I decided to double check my AC3 rendering template in Vegas. I noticed that I had it set for 448 Kbits/s. The original .mpa file from HDV is recorded at 384 Kbits/s. So, I changed template settings from 448 to 384. And I got perfect audio/video sync after step 3! May be it was a coincidence, but I got perfect BDMV compilation on BD-RE disk at the end. I’ll do more test with different .m2t clips.

Ok please tell us the results of the tests. Thanks.

Do you mean that you were able to convert an H264 (AVC) TS Broadcast stream to BDMV with no re-encode with full success?
No. Sorry for confusion. I missed that part of your post that those files were AVC. I only have MPEG2 files.

Check this thread again, last pages. I think somebody had success with AVC filse and TSRemux:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

No. Sorry for confusion. I missed that part of your post that those files were AVC. I only have MPEG2 files.

Check this thread again, last pages. I think somebody had success with AVC filse and TSRemux:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

I am reading that thread at doom9 daily and I would have posted in it already if it was not for the "You need to be registered for at least 5 days to post" message. :(

I think I will be able to post tomorrow so I'll ask for help there. I think I saw somebody who said he had success but he wasn't too specific on the details.

Also, after reading some older pages of this thread here, I would like to say to Laura and others who want to stream larger than 4GB files from their PC to their PS3 that they don't have to use BD-RE's to transfer files to the PS3. I use Red Kawa server to do it but there is some restrictions to the extension of the files you transfer. i only used it to transfer ".mp4" files so far and the PS3 detects it as an accepted video files and you can download the files directly from the PC to the PS3's HDD using the web browser on the PS3.

Basically, the red kawa server is a simple web server that you can connect to using the PS3's web browser and that permits you to access your drives (C:, D:, etc.) on your PC. The server is extremely easy to use and is free.

Red Kawa File Server (http://www.redkawa.com/fileserver)

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/48942858/test16.ts.html).

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/48942858/test16.ts.html).

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.
Tom,

I get audio out of sync after demuxing and then remuxing with Elecard Xmuxer Lite. I also tried to mux with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and audio/video in-sync.

BTW, video looks great. What camera is that? Is this re-encoded video/audio, or raw captured HDV? How did you get this ts file?

Tom,

I get audio out of sync after demuxing and then remuxing with Elecard Xmuxer Lite. I also tried to mux with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and audio/video in-sync.

BTW, video looks great. What camera is that? Is this re-encoded video/audio, or raw captured HDV? How did you get this ts file?


Thanks so much for helping me again MozartMan!

FYI, it is raw unencoded HDV clips taken by the Canon XH-A1, cut with Videoredo, the audio stream converted to AC3 by Womble.

Thanks so much for helping me again MozartMan!

FYI, it is raw unencoded HDV clips taken by the Canon XH-A1, cut with Videoredo, the audio stream converted to AC3 by Womble.

Which gave me a thought...I wonder if you passed that AC3 audio stream through Vegas 7 if it would mux back together in-sync with the video...hmm...

Then again, it shouldn't matter.

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/48942858/test16.ts.html).

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.

I tried what you asked for. To be clear, I demuxed the clip to get a mpv and mpa (mpeg 2 audio) file and then I immediately remuxed it with Xmuxer Pro. Everything is perfect, no delay. Which made me think about Xmuxer Lite being the problem. So, I downloaded the Xmuxer Lite trial and did the same test and yes I have an audio sync issue. Xmuxer Pro, at least the version I have, is perfect.

By the way, a program named delaycut, which is free, can help out when you need to sync an AC3 file with a video. It can add silence delay or cut a part of a ac3 without recompression. You can find it here (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/audiotools.htm)

I tried what you asked for. To be clear, I demuxed the clip to get a mpv and mpa (mpeg 2 audio) file and then I immediately remuxed it with Xmuxer Pro. Everything is perfect, no delay. Which made me think about Xmuxer Lite being the problem. So, I downloaded the Xmuxer Lite trial and did the same test and yes I have an audio sync issue. Xmuxer Pro, at least the version I have, is perfect.

By the way, a program named delaycut, which is free, can help out when you need to sync an AC3 file with a video. It can add silence delay or cut a part of a ac3 without recompression. You can find it here (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/audiotools.htm)


Very helpful. Thanks for trying! Would that latest file of mine successfully burn to BDMV and play with AC3 5.1 384 kbps sound? Earlier you said you had to convert the audio stream to 192 kbps 2.0 but MozartMan has reported success with AC3 5.1.

I'm been through so many steps I actually can't retrace them all. It occurs to me the choppy play could be something I'm doing. The latest file of mine (which you have) seems to play smoothly I think, even after the TSRemux, or at least the BDMV 0001.m2ts file which VideoLan VLC player does manage to play well but without sound. The choppy play may have been when I used TSRemux to create a regular TS file, one that I could playback with sound in Windows Media Player 10. I haven't got a super great PC, it's a HP laptop with T2250 1.73GHz DuoCore, 7200rpm hard drive and Nvidia 7600. It manages okay but is outclassed. My point about that, is that I'm used to not always having non-choppy stutter free video, but when it gets burned to HD DVD, it's utterly smooth every time. With BDMV I don't know as yet what result I've got because I don't have the burner. In fact I'll probably have the burner before I even have the Blu-ray player itself, because my focus right now is on authoring, not movie watching. Same for HD DVD. I have that workflow down pat, but will the format survive, who knows.

Do you or MozartMan have a BD burner recommendation? I only see one option for an external, the LaCie, expensive and uncertain. I'm probably better off getting an internal and finding a PC case to put it in, that leaves the Sony, Panasonic, LG and Phillips/BenQ. The Sony I know uses an IDE interface, the others I think may have SATA. It's only important in the sense that some of the new desktop PCs from HP or Compaq don't even have the IDE interface anymore. The Sony however is the only unit I've seen at retail, the others are all solid brands but I know that Phillips/BenQ has been regarded as top tier at CD Freaks. Anyway, other things factor in, what it ships with, if anything, and whether and what media it supports. Do you have strong preferences for any?

Very helpful. Thanks for trying! Would that latest file of mine successfully burn to BDMV and play with AC3 5.1 384 kbps sound? Earlier you said you had to convert the audio stream to 192 kbps 2.0 but MozartMan has reported success with AC3 5.1.

I'm been through so many steps I actually can't retrace them all. It occurs to me the choppy play could be something I'm doing. The latest file of mine (which you have) seems to play smoothly I think, even after the TSRemux, or at least the BDMV 0001.m2ts file which VideoLan VLC player does manage to play well but without sound. The choppy play may have been when I used TSRemux to create a regular TS file, one that I could playback with sound in Windows Media Player 10. I haven't got a super great PC, it's a HP laptop with T2250 1.73GHz DuoCore, 7200rpm hard drive and Nvidia 7600. It manages okay but is outclassed. My point about that, is that I'm used to not always having non-choppy stutter free video, but when it gets burned to HD DVD, it's utterly smooth every time. With BDMV I don't know as yet what result I've got because I don't have the burner. In fact I'll probably have the burner before I even have the Blu-ray player itself, because my focus right now is on authoring, not movie watching. Same for HD DVD. I have that workflow down pat, but will the format survive, who knows.

Do you or MozartMan have a BD burner recommendation? I only see one option for an external, the LaCie, expensive and uncertain. I'm probably better off getting an internal and finding a PC case to put it in, that leaves the Sony, Panasonic, LG and Phillips/BenQ. The Sony I know uses an IDE interface, the others I think may have SATA. It's only important in the sense that some of the new desktop PCs from HP or Compaq don't even have the IDE interface anymore. The Sony however is the only unit I've seen at retail, the others are all solid brands but I know that Phillips/BenQ has been regarded as top tier at CD Freaks. Anyway, other things factor in, what it ships with, if anything, and whether and what media it supports. Do you have strong preferences for any?

Well, the problem I had before with the AC3 5.1 sound was that I was unable to mux in Xmuxer Pro without Xmuxer Pro freezing in the middle of the job. I'm sure if it would mux it would work perfectly. I can try to do it tonight.

I suppose that you are burning HD-DVDs on DVD-R discs? Frankly, I don't see the point of HD-DVD for burning your own movies on a PC because you have less space than on Blu-Ray discs. This is where the space factor all comes in. I would not even bother to make HD-DVDR discs and HD-DVD burners if I were them. Besides, Blu-Ray is looking way better than HD-DVD so far.

As for BD recommendations, well I don't know much about them. I own the Sony BWU100A because it was so cheap at my Future Shop here. I got it for 500$CAN plus taxes. It is rather cheap for a Blu-Ray burner. At the same time when I bought it, I saw the drive and the other brands at about 750 to 850$US on the net. The Sony works like a charm so far but I only use it when I burn BD-R or BD-RE. I use my other burner for DVDs. You can get full 2.0x sustained burning speed ont he Sony but you need to use ImgBurn to burn the file since it's the only application I saw so far that can turn off the drive's internal verification system that slows down the process to 1.0x speed which is way too long. The veirifcation process I am talking about is not the VERIFY software option, it is something else that the drive uses internally (hardware) and seems to be forced when using most burning software with no option to turn it off (except in ImgBurn).

I also had the choice of the LG 4x burner when I got my Sony but I read that the LG did not support dual layer Blu-Ray discs for writing. If that is true, I would not touch that drive because you need that support for the future. I have one dual layer disc myself but I am still wondering what I will put on it because frankly it is so costy that I want to use it when it's really worth it. Still, the disc cost will go down so get a dual layer capable writer.

As for the comparison of the software that comes with the burners, the Sony one doesn't have anything super with it if I remember correctly. Maybe Power2Go from Cyberlink and a couple other Cyberlink apps. I don't know what programs comes with the other drives but I know there is a bundle somewhere on the net with a Blu-Ray burner that comes with DVDIt Pro HD... I think it is the Pioneer burner. That would be good as DVDIt Pro HD is worth it imho. The bundle was still near 1000$US I think though but I think I saw it more near the 500$-700$US lately but I may be mistaking.

I got a reply from doom9's forums for my H264 to m2ts problem about my PS3 reverting to 480p on playback.

It seems like since I have an NTSC PS3 and the clip that I use is 25fps (PAL), that it is the normal behavior of the NTSC PS3 Blu-Ray software player to go down to 480p60.

Supposedly, the XMB on the PS3 (dashboard) can play 25fps without the resolution change though as the software is identical in both NTSC and PAL PS3 for that part.

I already have 25fps DVD MPEG-2 clips that plays fine on my PS3 so I only need to test it with that HD clip of mine to see if it's true that it will play full-res in the dash without re-encode.

In any case, it seems I will never be able to get those european broadcast clips to work on my PS3 without transcoding them to 60 fps which will probably end up looking pretty bad from what I know of PAL to NTSC conversions. Then again I did manage to do that with Nero Vision 4 and the motion was still smooth at first glance... I still need to confirm that Nero converted the clip to 60 fps when it worked though... maybe it did something else.

Does anyone have a good method for converting MKV's to a Blu-ray disc. Doesnt matter what programs you use, I'm just interested to hear from anyone who has a good track record with doing this. It looks like TSRemux will be gearing up for this, but yeah.

Cheers!
Ben

I'm waiting on TSRemux to support h.264 AVC MKV-to-Blu-ray ... it already does MPEG2 MKV-to-Blu-ray as far as I know.

Does anyone know if TSRemux can do h.264 TS-to-Blu-ray for 1440x1080 & 1280x1080 resolutions?

I'm waiting on TSRemux to support h.264 AVC MKV-to-Blu-ray ... it already does MPEG2 MKV-to-Blu-ray as far as I know.

Does anyone know if TSRemux can do h.264 TS-to-Blu-ray for 1440x1080 & 1280x1080 resolutions?

I did some more tests yesterday night with H264 TS to blu-ray using TSRemux (no re-encode) and it already supports it correctly from what I can see BUT you will need to have a 29.97 (60i) framerate if you plan on using it on an NTSC PS3... The reason for this is that the PS3's Blu-Ray software player will play the clip in 480p (low res) if you do not have a 23.976 or 29.97 clip.

I changed the header of my 25 FPS H264 TS source to 23.976 or 29.97 before passing it in TSRemux using h264info. The result was that the clip finally played in high res but the PS3 was not deinterlacing anymore so it wasn't pretty in 1080i output mode.

The best method so far is to use Nero Vision 4. It will re-encode the stream and all works fine BUT it seems that he leaves the framerate to 25FPS and it still plays to full res on my PS3. Something is weird in all this. Maybe the creator of TSRemux can do a patch for NTSC machines when using a 25 fps h264 source since the 25 fps Nero Vision 4 clip played perfectly on my PS3 in BDMV?

Thanks for posting your test results. My MKVs are 720p h.264 files, which TSRemux did process, but the m2ts stream it created didn't work. It also took a long time for the MKV file to load in TSRemux.

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! I'm pretty happy about that as this means I don't need TSRemux for those streams and it will make things way more easier since I can add chapters, subtitles, etc. with no re-encode. I don't know what will happen to the sound though... hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.

I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.


Audio can be a problem if the source starts as 2.0 and changes to 5.1 after a few frames of audio. DVDit Pro HD will use the channel arrangement of the first frame. It is possible to fake out the first frame to look like 5.1 to get around this (though there is no tool for it commonly available, you can do it with a hex editor).


I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

TS streams from Movie Central in Canada have this characteristic and sometimes it causes compatibility issues. I have found that removing the display extension that has the 1440 information in it (I believe Restream.exe can do this) allows the TS to be used.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.
65Mbps headers are a problem also of course :)

Have fun! Glad you made progress.

Once a TS is demuxed, Restream.exe is an excellent tool for tweaking the headers in an MPEG2 video elemental stream.

Audio can be a problem if the source starts as 2.0 and changes to 5.1 after a few frames of audio. DVDit Pro HD will use the channel arrangement of the first frame. It is possible to fake out the first frame to look like 5.1 to get around this (though there is no tool for it commonly available, you can do it with a hex editor).


TS streams from Movie Central in Canada have this characteristic and sometimes it causes compatibility issues. I have found that removing the display extension that has the 1440 information in it (I believe Restream.exe can do this) allows the TS to be used.

65Mbps headers are a problem also of course :)

Have fun! Glad you made progress.

Once a TS is demuxed, Restream.exe is an excellent tool for tweaking the headers in an MPEG2 video elemental stream.

Hey Phloyd, thanks for remembering me ;)

I'll check out and try to find Restream.exe. I have 300 programs right now with all the tests that I did but I don't have Restream.exe.

Yes, I do have some that starts in 2.0 and then gos to 5.1. This was not the problem with my test stream so far though as I didn't use those types yet or cutted the start of the stream to remove that DD2.0 section.

Hi all,

I have a question regarding max file size for blu-ray. Is it correct that i cant go above 22000mb in nero when i want to make an blu-ray image?

Hi all,

I have a question regarding max file size for blu-ray. Is it correct that i cant go above 22000mb in nero when i want to make an blu-ray image?

I think that's correct.

The disc capacity is different between BD-RE and BD-R.

I don't have the exact numbers handy, but it can be annoying. BD-R can handle the full '25GB' but BD-RE is a little short. I think that Nero shows that difference with a short yellow bar at the bottom if you exceed BD-RE but not BD-R (it has been a while I burned with Nero).

Dear Gurus,

I have the Sony HC3 hidef camcorder, and would like to be able to make hidef DVD playable on the BD player (similar to the HD-DVD reauthoring). Have any one been able to do the same thing for BD ?

BD burner & recordable media is still expensive at this time. What I understand is (forgive my poor knowledge in this subject):
1. content in HC3 can be captured and encode in MPEG2, MPEG4 etc. BD (as well as HD-DVD) can decode MPEG2/4
2. as long as the content is not larger than 4.7G, we should be able to write to a single layer DVD, and play back on the BD player.

If some one knows how to do this, please share the knowledge & the software used. Thanks - Grazie & Gracias...

I have the same HD camcorder. If your BD player is the PS3, all you have to do is convert from TS to MPG and burn to a single- or double-layer DVD+/-R. Even MPGs larger than 4GB work. You don't get any menus, but the PS3 plays the MPGs just fine. Instead of a single, large MPG, I create segments, then just use the PS3's XMB to play whichever MPG segment I want.

If your BD player is NOT the PS3 or you want a true BDMV on a DVD+/-R, then see my next post as I'm looking to do the same thing...

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! I'm pretty happy about that as this means I don't need TSRemux for those streams and it will make things way more easier since I can add chapters, subtitles, etc. with no re-encode. I don't know what will happen to the sound though... hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.

I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.

Two sets of questions for creator441, or anyone who can help...

Are you saying the 1920x1080 works, but not 1440x1080 (most HDV camcorders) w/DVDIt Pro HD? In the previous page, you outlined steps in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11295315&postcount=563) to create a BDMV w/MPEG2 HDV footage...does this still work w/the latest v0.0.18 TSRemux? I don't need menus, so I'm wondering if TSRemux will work if I have 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 MPEG2 files w/DD5.1.

I also have H.264 MPEG4 captures off my Nextcom-modded Dish receiver. They are 1440x1080 MTV-HD TS files. When I used TSRemux to create a Blu-ray structure and burned to DVD-R, my PS3 recognized the disc as AVCHD and played it w/perfect DD5.1, but no picture :(. Would you know if this may be because of the H.264 profile or does the PS3 not like H.264 w/1440x1080 resolution?

Thanks Brajesh,

I don't have the BD player yet, although I am leaning toward the sony S300. Will the S300 works with regular DVD-R & HC3 ? I can wait for S500 if it makes any differences. I can get PS3 if it is the preferred platform.

Would you be able to compile a step-by-step how to burn HC3 to regular DVD for BD player, including the software and hardware requirements (the PC & speed & window XP with service pack #, and the BD player that can play this DVD-R)

Thanks a million.

I'm not an expert on this, so that's why I asked a few questions one post up ;).

I'm a lot more familiar w/HD DVD authoring on DVD media (see my signature for an excellent guide by another AVS member), which IMHO is more stable & predictable. No 5.1 audio issues, the stuttering is now fixed, plus w/Ulead MovieFactory 6+ the workflow is streamlined & you get full motion menus if you want.

Two sets of questions for creator441, or anyone who can help...

Are you saying the 1920x1080 works, but not 1440x1080 (most HDV camcorders) w/DVDIt Pro HD? In the previous page, you outlined steps in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11295315&postcount=563) to create a BDMV w/MPEG2 HDV footage...does this still work w/the latest v0.0.18 TSRemux? I don't need menus, so I'm wondering if TSRemux will work if I have 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 MPEG2 files w/DD5.1.

I also have H.264 MPEG4 captures off my Nextcom-modded Dish receiver. They are 1440x1080 MTV-HD TS files. When I used TSRemux to create a Blu-ray structure and burned to DVD-R, my PS3 recognized the disc as AVCHD and played it w/perfect DD5.1, but no picture :(. Would you know if this may be because of the H.264 profile or does the PS3 not like H.264 w/1440x1080 resolution?

Hello, sorry for the long time to reply.

Yes, do nto worry the HDV footage from an HDV camera will work superbly with my mehtod described as before. For the other footage I had, it seemed to be a mised bag. Using VideoRedo, it was saying 1920x1080 for one resolution and 1440x1080 for DisplayRes. I don't remember the name of the first resolution but it is the two boxes in VdeoRedo when you do CTRL-L. I think that for HDV, both boxes are 1440x1080 and using that with TSRemux on a BDMV makes all work fine. I think DvdItPro HD does not accept the HDV file directly though and says it is not compliant but I don't remember for sure on that part. If I said it didn't work in my previous post then it doesn't but my memory can be short sometimes ;) But yes, the method with TSRemux and Xmuxer Pro works fine for BDMV.

As for the 1440x1080 TS captures, I have no idea. I have had problems (and still do) with H264 to BDMV but it all depends ont he source. If you use a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray video file as source it works fine but my source was a PAL 1920x1080 H264 with DD Ac3 audio and the PS3 reverts to 480p when playback because I have an NTSC PS3. What is the framerate of your MTV-HD captures and do you have a PAL or NTSC PS3? I changed the framerate to 23.976 with h264info and it played full res but no deinterlacing anymore so it looked bad. If your source matches your PS3 (NTSC-NTSC or PAL-PAL), I don't see why it wouldn't work on the PS3. Also, you are right in worrying about the profile or the 1440x1080 with H264. I have no idea if one or both of those are the problems. Try changing the profile to 4.1 with h264info (on the elementary h264 file) and I think you can also change the resolution with h264info so you can try to put 1920x1080 (even if it's not true) and check what happens. That would be what I'd try.

Thanks for the tips on H.264 caps. Guess I need to experiment some more. With Dish (and DirecTV) switching so many of their HD channels to H.264, we need a reliable solution soon. MPEG2 is so much easier to deal with than H.264.

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Thanks for the tips on H.264 caps. Guess I need to experiment some more. With Dish (and DirecTV) switching so many of their HD channels to H.264, we need a reliable solution soon. MPEG2 is so much easier to deal with than H.264.

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Scott,

Is there any plans to add H264 and VC1 support in DVDIt Pro HD so that you can import those in elementary stream format and have no recompression done to them?

I didn't try H264 yet but I think it's only supported in a mp4 container and will probably recompress always and VC1 is not supported at all.

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Sony already released firmware upgrade for S300 to support BDMV on BD-R/RE.

Fry's have Panasonic BDRs for $8, 50 GB for $25.

Have fun!

I'm not an expert on this, so that's why I asked a few questions one post up ;).

I'm a lot more familiar w/HD DVD authoring on DVD media (see my signature for an excellent guide by another AVS member), which IMHO is more stable & predictable. No 5.1 audio issues, the stuttering is now fixed, plus w/Ulead MovieFactory 6+ the workflow is streamlined & you get full motion menus if you want.

The workflow for BDMV with menus is to author with DVDit, but since it re-encodes most everything, the kludge is to replace the video files it creates with ones compiled by TSRemux. But to get TSRemux working is a kludge unto itself, first have to demux into audio+video elementary streams, and then remux it with XMuxer Pro just to get a TS that TSRemux can author into Blu-Ray, and hope that you have sound, hope that 1440x1080 plays without stutter. Good grief, and good luck.

You could skip the DVDit step and just let TSRemux author the BDMV without menus, but if you would settle for only that why bother, just author to BDAV with MF6+.

At some level, you can get home authored BD video to play. At best, HDV plays back on the PS3 without any special effort. At worst, you don't get playback at all on some Blu-ray players no matter what you do. To me, Blu-ray as a distribution format is a broken mess. Creator441 and Mozartman have been instrumentally helpful, but unless you just want to prove that you can get something to play, I don't see the point in spending the money on BD burners, media and software because there is zero assurance of playback compatibility across the board. Understand, there is a big difference in achieving personal playback (most likely on your PS3), and being able to hand out a BD disk to your friends and family and say, "Here, play this."

Most people who own a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player are probably thrilled if they are able to achieve HD playback of their personal HDV video. But honestly, if that's all I was trying to achieve, I had that covered 3 years ago with the I-O Data AVeL Linkplayer II, or HTPC, or streaming HD media servers from Buffalo, JVC and others.

The realization is that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are mere tools for personal playback of HD files. My judgment as a distribution format is that HD DVD is demonstrably superior except for storage capacity. So that's the trade off. Storage capacity versus ease and universal compatibility.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

Tom, well said. With my home movies in HDV, I create a HD DVD version for myself & a standard DVD version for my family. I always save the raw MPEG2 captures because who knows if either HD DVD or BD will survive.

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

Well, you did more tests than me on the compatibility issues. You are right, I am doing it for personal playability and for my friends with PS3s basically. I know PS3 will ensure that blu-ray will always be there (the games are on Blu-Ray discs) so I am not afraid of players disappearing. HD-DVD can easily die though (only Toshiba players and 360 add-on that would get discontinued if HD-DVD dies) so keep that in mind.

Another point to take into account imho is that little people have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players anyway. Only DVD is widespread for now so making HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs right now for giving to your family is pointless.

I do it for my personal viewing or inviting people to my place to view my footage. I also prefer Blu-Ray for quality of media, more storage space and better player. My Toshiba HD-DVD skips, my PS3 never gave even a hint of a problem while playing back Blu-Ray movies. The hardware is bad right now on HD-DVD side, they need to correct all the freeze and bugs. Maybe the stand-alone Blu-Ray players are not better but I know the PS3 is perfect.

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.

Well, that's kinda bad. At that resolution it was almost better to have the 1920x1080 MPEG-2 streams. The problem with cable is that they will lower the bitrate or res or both because they need to fit so much HD channels on the cable. Thank god for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

I have two simple questions that I don't think have been addressed by the thread, but it's 11 pgs. long and I'm hoping for a quickie answer.

1.) Has anyone used the latest version of Toast for Mac OSX that burns Blu-rays?
2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.

2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.
I use TSRemax to convert .TS files to BDMV structure and burn to BD-RE with Nero. You may try to convert your .TY file to .TS first.

Try this thread:

Transport Stream De/Re-muxer with blu-ray/Sat/OTA and now MPG/VOB/EVOB stream support:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

I have two simple questions that I don't think have been addressed by the thread, but it's 11 pgs. long and I'm hoping for a quickie answer.

1.) Has anyone used the latest version of Toast for Mac OSX that burns Blu-rays?
2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.

If it's from a D* HDTivo, most likely it will not work. The resolution on those is 1280x1080 and I don't think that's a "legal" resolution for BluRay. Someone else may know, but I can't get any of my stuff to play on the ps3 because of the res...
Dug

The workflow for BDMV with menus is to author with DVDit, but since it re-encodes most everything, the kludge is to replace the video files it creates with ones compiled by TSRemux. But to get TSRemux working is a kludge unto itself, first have to demux into audio+video elementary streams, and then remux it with XMuxer Pro just to get a TS that TSRemux can author into Blu-Ray, and hope that you have sound, hope that 1440x1080 plays without stutter. Good grief, and good luck.

You could skip the DVDit step and just let TSRemux author the BDMV without menus, but if you would settle for only that why bother, just author to BDAV with MF6+.

At some level, you can get home authored BD video to play. At best, HDV plays back on the PS3 without any special effort. At worst, you don't get playback at all on some Blu-ray players no matter what you do. To me, Blu-ray as a distribution format is a broken mess. Creator441 and Mozartman have been instrumentally helpful, but unless you just want to prove that you can get something to play, I don't see the point in spending the money on BD burners, media and software because there is zero assurance of playback compatibility across the board. Understand, there is a big difference in achieving personal playback (most likely on your PS3), and being able to hand out a BD disk to your friends and family and say, "Here, play this."

Most people who own a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player are probably thrilled if they are able to achieve HD playback of their personal HDV video. But honestly, if that's all I was trying to achieve, I had that covered 3 years ago with the I-O Data AVeL Linkplayer II, or HTPC, or streaming HD media servers from Buffalo, JVC and others.

The realization is that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are mere tools for personal playback of HD files. My judgment as a distribution format is that HD DVD is demonstrably superior except for storage capacity. So that's the trade off. Storage capacity versus ease and universal compatibility.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

I'd been sending DV->DVD regularly to parents and in-laws. They want to see their grandchildren and they live too far away to visit regularly. This is an old family tradition that I intend to keep for as long as I can do it. Hopefully my children will do the same too when they have their own families.

I was about to upgrade parents to a HD-A1 earlier (but couldn't do it because they're not tech savvy enough to do firmware upgrades via linux, and the DVD-R DL didn't work very well either).

I switched to BD-RE and everything other than difficulty in creating menus is much easier.

My expectation is that I will probably buy a PS3 or S300 or some easy to use player and I can start sending them BD-Rs made from my HDV or AVCHD instead of having to shrink the HDV to DVD resolutions.

If it's from a D* HDTivo, most likely it will not work. The resolution on those is 1280x1080 and I don't think that's a "legal" resolution for BluRay. Someone else may know, but I can't get any of my stuff to play on the ps3 because of the res...
Dug

It may depend on the type of authoring, but in BDMV authoring, I don't think anything else than HDV 1440x1080 or full 1920x1080p will work. OF course 720p will work too. 1280x1080 will probably not be BDMV compliant. Maybe it is AVCHD compliant though?

Are you saying my HD DirecTivo isn't recording full 1080i or 720p when iit records? That's news to me, and disappointing news at that. How have I missed that little detail when purchasing two HR10-250s? I've seen nothing about them being incapable of full HD broadcast resolutions.

Are you saying my HD DirecTivo isn't recording full 1080i or 720p when iit records? That's news to me, and disappointing news at that. How have I missed that little detail when purchasing two HR10-250s? I've seen nothing about them being incapable of full HD broadcast resolutions.

kheiden,

It's called HD Lite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite

That was interesting reading. I knew about higher compression rates, but I'd never heard about resolution changes. What that article doesn't clarify is:

a.) How many channels does DirecTV do this on today if at all?
b.) Have they been found guilty or paid any fines as a result of this?
c.) Have they done anyrthing to address customer concerns in this area?
d.) What about 720p? It isn't mentioned at all in this Wikipedia thing.
e.) Are any channels at all delivered at true 1080i or 20p?

My units have the options of changing output resolution, but they dont tell me what the native resolution is. I'll dump DirecTV in a heartbeat if they still do this on all HD channels. They've already forced me to chose between them and Tivo and I'm mad as hell about that. Trouble is I've no idea if Verizon FIOS, which I've been thinking about anyway, does the same thing. Un-frackin'-believable. I've been with DirecTV for over 13 years.

One more request. Those of you who author BDMVs, can you see if this disk will play on your machine? (I will compile a list of players that can play such content).

http://www10.sendthisfile.com/d.jsp?t=E4ldyS92GAhaHR4ilquAq6B0

Note it is an ISO image of the elephant dreams VC-1 encode from microsoft. It peaks at 50Mbps, it's a VC-1 torture test, technically it is not within BD specs, but a PS3 and panasonic player plays it.

You must use an 8X DVD-R, 4X might stutter in places, and 2.4X RW definitely fails. You need an iso burner. The file is almost 1GB, so it could take a while.

One more request. Those of you who author BDMVs, can you see if this disk will play on your machine? (I will compile a list of players that can play such content).

http://www10.sendthisfile.com/d.jsp?t=E4ldyS92GAhaHR4ilquAq6B0

Note it is an ISO image of the elephant dreams VC-1 encode from microsoft. It peaks at 50Mbps, it's a VC-1 torture test, technically it is not within BD specs, but a PS3 and panasonic player plays it.

You must use an 8X DVD-R, 4X might stutter in places, and 2.4X RW definitely fails. You need an iso burner. The file is almost 1GB, so it could take a while.

I'll pass ont he test because I only have a PS3 and you seem to have clarify that the ps3 plays it fine and I only have 4x DVD-R and 2.4x DVD+R DL discs here besides my BD-RE.

I have success with the PS3.

The Panasonic does not have audio on the analog outs but it plays just fine.

I have success with the PS3.

The Panasonic does not have audio on the analog outs but it plays just fine.

Thanks. My Panasonic is now a video signal gen in the office. I'll look at it next week. Does optical/digital audio work for you?

That was interesting reading. I knew about higher compression rates, but I'd never heard about resolution changes. What that article doesn't clarify is:

a.) How many channels does DirecTV do this on today if at all?All channels, except Discovery. The MPEG-4 locals are downconverted to 1440x1080, but you can't get those with the HR10 anyway.

b.) Have they been found guilty or paid any fines as a result of this?There no law against downconverting and degrading HDTV. That said, they were sued for making certain claims.

d.) What about 720p? It isn't mentioned at all in this Wikipedia thing.DirecTV re-compresses 720p streams, but they retain full 1280x720 resolution. For example, DirecTV takes ESPN's 18Mbps 720p stream and recompresses it to [as little as] 12-13Mbps.

e.) Are any channels at all delivered at true 1080iJust Discovery, but at a substantially lower bitrate with vertical filtering. The source Discovery Theater HD feed is 19Mbps, but it is less than 12Mbps on DirecTV.

Trouble is I've no idea if Verizon FIOS, which I've been thinking about anyway, does the same thing.They don't. All FiOS HD channels are at full resoluton and full bitrate of the source.

If you have any other questions about HDTV Lite, I suggest you ask them in the HDTV Hardware and/or HDTV Programming forums. It doesn't really belong here, besides the obvious fact that it makes those recordings incompatible with Blu-ray players.

Thanks. My Panasonic is now a video signal gen in the office. I'll look at it next week. Does optical/digital audio work for you?

I would need to make some changes to my config to test that...

I finally got my BDRE50 (Panasonic) and can confirm that it works in the PS3 and Panasonic players.

:D :cool: :D

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

It depends on the provider. On cable channels are 1920x1080i Mpeg2. Dish Network uses h.264 for pretty much all of their HD channels and are 1440x1080i. Directv h.264 channels are also 1440x1080i. However this is not only here. BBC HD is 1440x1080i and so is Artsworld on SKY HD and I believe another channel. It will only get worse, as they will start to run out of bandwith.

I finally got my BDRE50 (Panasonic) and can confirm that it works in the PS3 and Panasonic players.

:D :cool: :D

Superb! I'll probably pick one up soon. What burner do you have? The Sony BWU-100A like mine?

Thanks for the explanation CKNA.

My expectation is that I will probably buy a PS3 or S300 or some easy to use player and I can start sending them BD-Rs made from my HDV or AVCHD instead of having to shrink the HDV to DVD resolutions.

Until a firmware comes out enabling BD-R/E playback on the S300 (which hasn't been promised) you're better off with a PS3.

I edited a concert with an HVR-V1U and an HDR-FX7 and exported from Premiere Pro CS3 to Encore CS3 with a HQ MPEG-2 preset (30mbps CBR) and it worked on the PS3, and the BDP-S1 (w/ firmware version 2.10). It would not play on the BDP-S300.

I will be trying it tonight on other blu-ray players, like the Samsung BDP-1200 and maybe a Pioneer and Panasonic.

Superb! I'll probably pick one up soon. What burner do you have? The Sony BWU-100A like mine?

Thanks for the explanation CKNA.

Yes, I have a Sony burner. I used Nero to create the image and ImgBurn to write and verify.

For some weird reason, Nero fails verification on discs that I verified manually... I guess that PC has some personality issues...

I have a Sony BDP-S1 with latest fw 2.1 I have tried taking the video files my JVC GZ-HD7 camcorder makes converted from TOD files to mpg with 2.0 or DB5.1 audio streams at 1920x1080i the files play fine in windows vista and play fine with powerdvd
i take mpg file and use tsremux to make a BDMV structure and then burn the BDMV and other folder tsremux makes to a BD-RE using nero 7 and UDF 2.5 i have also tried using 2.6 the discs play fine on pc with powerdvd and also play on the sony BDP-S1 but i get no audio on sony set top, i have tried making mpg/ac3 mpg/db2.0 mpg/db5.1 then making BDMV structure but video always plays but no audio on sony BDP-S1, the discs again play 100% on pc using powerdvd both video and audio are fine. any ideas would be great Im not rich so dvdit or other $500.00 packages are no help i do own pinnacle studio plus 11.1, and also own ulead movie factory plus 6 i can make a DVD AVCHD using pinnacle and it will play 100% on sony set top and if copy the BDMV off dvd and burn it to a BD-RE using nero and udf 2.5 will play 100% but if copy the .m2ts file off the dvd and use tsremux to make new BDMV structure then burn it to a BD-RE then the sony set top only plays the video stream not audio. I am at my last legs on this BD-RE BDMV creation.

PS
for the record I have also taken the video file from the camera imported it to ulead movie factory plus 6 uses the export to make a HD1920 m2t and then tried tsremux as before it works 100% on pc off the BD-RE but the sony BDP-S1 only plays the video stream.

I believe that TSRemux does not tag the AC3 properly (may depend on what version).

If you simply make a TS into an M2TS without changing the audio descriptor you will not get any sound on a set top player.

ok im game how do i change audio descriptor.

If you use a proper authoring tool it will be correct.

Sadly changing it in the stream is not trivial (which is probably why it is not done by TSRemux - though later versions might - just guessing).

Phloyd

thanks a lot im sure your right, i was on corel website they own ulead and they have press release about an update to ulead movie factory 6 plus that will add BDMV authoring, they said early Sept. but no sign of it yet. they did say BDMV update would be $19.95

...i was on corel website they own ulead and they have press release about an update to ulead movie factory 6 plus that will add BDMV authoring, they said early Sept. but no sign of it yet. they did say BDMV update would be $19.95

kenwebb,

Let us know when you get an update with BDMV authoring. I might buy it.

id buy dvdit pro but its just to pricy, I dont need BDMV authorning that bad.

Here is copy of the press release, section that talks about ulead studio and factory


Registered users of Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus can purchase an update which includes BDMV, AVCHD and HD DVD Advanced Content formats for $19.99 (US and Canada) at www.corel.com. The update is available today in Japan. The English language version will be available in early September. German and French languages will follow in early October with Traditional Chinese scheduled for availability in mid October.

Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus users will be able to download a free update which includes BDMV and AVCHD formats at www.corel.com. The update will be available in English in early October with German, French and Traditional Chinese to follow in mid October. Dutch and Italian will be available in late October with Russian and Polish availability in early November.

I have heard that Sony Vegas latest versions supports BDMV creation directly from the timeline. Sounds very interesting.

It certainly seems that there are a lot more options coming our way to create BD content.

I have heard that Sony Vegas latest versions supports BDMV creation directly from the timeline. Sounds very interesting.

It certainly seems that there are a lot more options coming our way to create BD content.
Phloyd,

I think it is BDAV only:

Blu-ray Disc Burning
With Vegas Pro 8 software you can burn a Blu-ray Disc directly from the timeline. Blu-ray Disc burning allows you to create a disc similar to a "single movie" DVD—the movie has no titles, menus, or buttons. Blu-ray Disc burning in Vegas Pro 8 software provides an alternate distribution option for high-definition content, rather than traditional file-based hard disk or streaming media formats. You can also use the Blu-ray Disc burning feature to create high-definition discs that can playback on a set-top Blu-ray Disc player or on a Sony PS3 gaming system.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=457&PageID=104

I own Vegas movie studio 8 platinum and I can tell you it has no Blu-ray burning options at all as part of its timeline and none in the disc burning program either.
I do understand that movie studio is not the same as vegas pro 8, but I thought you would be interested that movie studio does not have it.

Phloyd,

I think it is BDAV only:



Yeah, it is not clear. I have heard conflicting reports about this though an actual user claimed it was BDMV so currently I think it is fair to say we are not sure. :)

Here is copy of the press release, section that talks about ulead studio and factory


Registered users of Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus can purchase an update which includes BDMV, AVCHD and HD DVD Advanced Content formats for $19.99 (US and Canada) at www.corel.com. The update is available today in Japan. The English language version will be available in early September. German and French languages will follow in early October with Traditional Chinese scheduled for availability in mid October.

Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus users will be able to download a free update which includes BDMV and AVCHD formats at www.corel.com. The update will be available in English in early October with German, French and Traditional Chinese to follow in mid October. Dutch and Italian will be available in late October with Russian and Polish availability in early November.

Thanks for the tip. This is good news but will it support AVC and VC1 to import without re-encoding?

As Corel has not yet released the above quoted update in English, i could not say, its way past the beginning of September.

Phloyd,

I think it is BDAV only:


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=457&PageID=104

It could still be BDMV as BDMV does not require menus or anything else as it is optional. It is just that BDAV does not offer anything besides video file.

I've created BDMV using TSremux without a problem

It could still be BDMV as BDMV does not require menus or anything else as it is optional. It is just that BDAV does not offer anything besides video file.

I've created BDMV using TSremux without a problem

Yes, you are right. I did that too with TSremux.

In case anyone wants to know, I went through Akihabara in Tokyo and just got back home. Again, no HD DVD burner, lots of BD burners. One change though is that there is now a HD DVD-R and HD DVD-R DL on sale (made by Mitsubishi). Wish I brought my camera, but the two boxes of loose HD DVD-R looked really lonely surrounded by about a couple of dozen boxes BD-R. BD-RE, DL BD-R, DL BD-RE from JVC, Panasonic, TDK, Sony, Fuji, Mitsubishi and others.

AVCHD is BDMV compliant. It also has a BDMV directory.

In case anyone wants to know, I went through Akihabara in Tokyo and just got back home. Again, no HD DVD burner, lots of BD burners.

That's probably because of this:

Frankly, this drive is less than impressive- slow, expensive, poor quality burns and hard to get. And this more than a year after BluRay burners became readily available!

Unless something drastic happens, HD-DVD burners are dead. Maybe that's another reason some studios are plugging this format exclusively?

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170049#170049

do best buy circuit city have the blue ray burner for 599.00

do best buy circuit city have the blue ray burner for 599.00

There's also tigerdirect.com, meritline.com and newegg.com for cheaper burners than that.

That's probably because of this:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170049#170049

Exactly. Its been no small secret that hd-dvd as a recordable technology is DOA as blu-ray has it beat in the market. By the time hd-dvd recording gets its act together (years?) prices on bd burners will be $200 or less. BD disk prices will be much cheaper as well. Couple that with the higher capacity and new cheaper organic recording layers and the result is blu-ray will own the next gen recording market. So what people say? Well consider that there will be a very large number (eventually millions) of BD-R/RE drives drives put into computers from Dell, HP, and other OEMs (all of which will be capable of BD-ROM playback) and you begin to see the advantage that BD has on the PC market side of the equation.

Exactly. Its been no small secret that hd-dvd as a recordable technology is DOA as blu-ray has it beat in the market. By the time hd-dvd recording gets its act together (years?) prices on bd burners will be $200 or less. BD disk prices will be much cheaper as well. Couple that with the higher capacity and new cheaper organic recording layers and the result is blu-ray will own the next gen recording market. So what people say? Well consider that there will be a very large number (eventually millions) of BD-R/RE drives drives put into computers from Dell, HP, and other OEMs (all of which will be capable of BD-ROM playback) and you begin to see the advantage that BD has on the PC market side of the equation.

All valid points, especially the last part. It is clear that the BDA is made of movies AND PC companies whereas HD-DVD mainly have movie companies only.

Also, you forgot one simple and logical thing that I always apply as a rule myself: BD-R have more space than HD-DVD-R and frankly, space is a major factor when you burn stuff on disc with a PC. There is no point in HD-DVD-R disc except for making HD-DVD movies playable on the Toshiba.

well now that transformers will only be on hd-dvd and i refuse to buy that player for one movie or the matrix collection also. i know theres a way to convert hd-dvd to bluray format if anyone has a guide or link to it that would make my day please get back to me thanks :D

As Corel has not yet released the above quoted update in English, i could not say, its way past the beginning of September.

Posted on sonycreativesoftware.com forum regarding Ulead Movie Factory 6+ and HD plugin pack with the AVCHD authoring:

OK, I just did my first test disc in AVCHD format using the HD Power Pack. It played right off in my PS3 and looked excellent. The menuing is exactly the same as when I do HD DVD compatible 3x DVDs. This is really cool!
....................
My next step is to take the disc to the local Best Buy and try it on the current crop of Bluray players, but I expect it will work just fine.
That huge advantage that HD DVD had for me personally has just evaporated right in front of me. As far as I'm concerned, this is the best News I've had in quite some time!


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=551576&Replies=24#552069

Has anyone tried to make a blu-ray movie with Nero 8.0?

Hi All,

It's me again. The guy who started this thread in the first place... :D

Well, I purchased the Movie Factory 6 plus with the HD package (it was released yesterday), and when trying to create a BDMV, two notable things happen...

1. It appears to want to re-encode the audio, even though I specified for it to NOT mess with compliant video files. This doesn't take "too long" (about 20 minutes), but since I have yet to successfully create a test disc, I can't yet tell if it stays in 5.1 or if this procedure is downconverting it to 2.0...

2. When it reaches the end of creating the folders, the process stops, and I get a warning message that says: "Unspecified Error" (with an "OK" to click). At this point, the procedure stops, and my BDMV and "Certificate" folders are "empty".

I have not yet had a chance to test the AVCHD method, and perhaps this will render all of this frustration as un-necessary. I will let you know what I find. I have stayed away for so long because I have been waiting for something like this to come along. If you go to this page:

http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

It very matter-of-factly states that what I am trying to do should work without ANY issues. I will keep messing with it, and see what I can come up with...

Lee

Well,

I GOT IT WORKING!

Sometimes we have to walk before we can run. I figured out that my primary hard drive (where the temp work was being performed) did not have enough free space on it, and this was causing the error once the hard drive ran out of room. I set my "working folder" to an external hard drive and it worked.

Rather than encoding an entire movie, to save time, I cut out the first 10 minutes of a movie and used it. Here are a couple of observations:

1. With this software (at least with a BD-RE disc, which is all that I have used at this point) it insists on doing a FULL SCAN of the disc in the drive virtually every step of the way through the authoring process. Every time you go to a new screen it does this, and takes 2-3 minutes (I am guessing) each time. Kind of frustrating, as it is a waste of time...

2. After the disc is burned, you can not "explore" the contents like you can with a "BDAV". I suppose that this must be part of the BDMV standard. When I looked in the "temp" folder after the burn, there was a good number of folders, far in excess of what you find in a BDAV compilation.

3. The Playstation 3 recognizes the disc as a "BDMV" with "BD-RE" in smaller letters underneath in the PS3 media browser.

4. Even though the software APPEARS to re-encode the audio, it does play back in full 5.1 @ 384K, and my receiver flags the multi channel audio as Dolby Digital 5.1. Since the "re-encoding" of the audio does not take a substantial amount of time, it is my guess that it is perhaps simpy "checking" the integrity of the audio, and perhaps making sure that it synchs up to the video. During playback, the audio synch appeared to be correct, with no perceptable lag or mismatch.

Now that I have made a successful BDMV that works as expected, I am going to burn a -R with a couple of movies and see it if is any faster. When making BDAV discs with "Power Producer", the -R discs were always quick and easy, while the -RE discs seemed to take a good bit longer...

Also, I went and checked the "AVC HD" setting. It only allows for up to 8.5 GB disc sizes. WORTHLESS for Blu-Ray use in my opinion... :mad:

Lee

Well,

I GOT IT WORKING!

Sometimes we have to walk before we can run. I figured out that my primary hard drive (where the temp work was being performed) did not have enough free space on it, and this was causing the error once the hard drive ran out of room. I set my "working folder" to an external hard drive and it worked.

Rather than encoding an entire movie, to save time, I cut out the first 10 minutes of a movie and used it. Here are a couple of observations:

1. With this software (at least with a BD-RE disc, which is all that I have used at this point) it insists on doing a FULL SCAN of the disc in the drive virtually every step of the way through the authoring process. Every time you go to a new screen it does this, and takes 2-3 minutes (I am guessing) each time. Kind of frustrating, as it is a waste of time...

2. After the disc is burned, you can not "explore" the contents like you can with a "BDAV". I suppose that this must be part of the BDMV standard. When I looked in the "temp" folder after the burn, there was a good number of folders, far in excess of what you find in a BDAV compilation.

3. The Playstation 3 recognizes the disc as a "BDMV" with "BD-RE" in smaller letters underneath in the PS3 media browser.

4. Even though the software APPEARS to re-encode the audio, it does play back in full 5.1 @ 384K, and my receiver flags the multi channel audio as Dolby Digital 5.1. Since the "re-encoding" of the audio does not take a substantial amount of time, it is my guess that it is perhaps simpy "checking" the integrity of the audio, and perhaps making sure that it synchs up to the video. During playback, the audio synch appeared to be correct, with no perceptable lag or mismatch.

Now that I have made a successful BDMV that works as expected, I am going to burn a -R with a couple of movies and see it if is any faster. When making BDAV discs with "Power Producer", the -R discs were always quick and easy, while the -RE discs seemed to take a good bit longer...

Also, I went and checked the "AVC HD" setting. It only allows for up to 8.5 GB disc sizes. WORTHLESS for Blu-Ray use in my opinion... :mad:

Lee

Thanks for describing your tests to us.

Looks like ULEAD didn't improve their tool much. It still needs a disc and scans it like crazy, which makes no sense to me.

The reason you don't see the structure on the BDMV is probably because you don't have the toshiba hd-dvd drivers installed. They also install UDF 2.5 compliances to Windows XP so that you can browse discs in UDF 2.5. Maybe that's not the problem but if you have Windows XP (and not Vista) and you didn't install the toshiba drivers you won't see a BDMV UDF 2.5 discs's structure.

As for AVCHD limiting to 8.5GB, well that's because the AVCHD standard is specifically made to be used with regular DVDs I think. It's like a new format to permit AVC content on DVDs with menus.

Yep, it even goes through the disc check when you are simply wanting it to "create folders" on the hard drive. Makes no sense whatsoever. I was getting REALLY frustrated with this new update, but now I think that I know how to make it work. One funny thing is that from the launch page (that I had success with), you select "Blu-Ray Standard" instead of chosing between a "BDAV" and "BDMV" compilations. When selecting this, it was my fear that I would end up with a "BDAV" compilation, but that was not the case. There is "another" launcher that gives you the option to specify which format, but I was having problems when using that particular launcher. I will have to re-visit it now that I have eliminated the disk space error that I previously explained. It would seem to me that they would simplify the start menu process, and consolidate things into only one launcher...

Lee

Thanks for describing your tests to us.

Looks like ULEAD didn't improve their tool much. It still needs a disc and scans it like crazy, which makes no sense to me.

The reason you don't see the structure on the BDMV is probably because you don't have the toshiba hd-dvd drivers installed. They also install UDF 2.5 compliances to Windows XP so that you can browse discs in UDF 2.5. Maybe that's not the problem but if you have Windows XP (and not Vista) and you didn't install the toshiba drivers you won't see a BDMV UDF 2.5 discs's structure.

As for AVCHD limiting to 8.5GB, well that's because the AVCHD standard is specifically made to be used with regular DVDs I think. It's like a new format to permit AVC content on DVDs with menus.

AVCHD is not only designed for DVD's. It is also for Blu-ray discs, since DVD's are cheap and many HD camcorders support it. Ulead decided not to include it. AVCHD uses BDMV structure on the disc.

AVCHD is not only designed for DVD's. It is also for Blu-ray discs, since DVD's are cheap and many HD camcorders support it. Ulead decided not to include it. AVCHD uses BDMV structure on the disc.

Ok. Yes the structure is pretty much like BDMV but the content of the index files must be different since it is recognized as AVCHD by the ps3.

Since I have BDMV working on the PS3 to my satisfaction, I am not too worried about AVCHD. Given the 8.5GB limitation that the software imposes, it really is no help to me, as the reason why I want to burn Blu-Rays is to not have to split up my HD movies over more than one disc. It is also a nice bonus when I can burn MULTIPLE movies on one disc as well...

Here are a few more observations...

1. 720p material is accepted as a compliant HD video file and is burned to the disc without any conversion. This should be a huge relief to those who had to monkey with 720p material with Movie Factory 5. With some 720p movies, this was a real pain, which caused me to "give up" on making HD DVD versions of them.

2. You can author a BDMV with BOTH 1080i AND 720p on the same disc. I have successfully burned 25GB discs (on both -R and -RE media) with two different movies -one in 1080i and the other in 720p. It works just fine.

3. Adding chapter stops does NOT affect playback and is seamless. When making HD DVD conversions with MF5, I had experienced a problem with this, but I do believe that part of the problem was the quality of the media itself. Once I went STRICTLY to Verbatim brand dual layer DVD's, it was a thing of the past. I can confirm that chapter stops on both -R and -RE media do not effect playback in any way.

4. I have ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, N O T been able to author a BDMV disc with a working menu. Every time I try, it renders the motion sequences of the menu (which are saved to the hard drive as mpegs, and I CAN view them there after the burn is aborted by the software), but after the rendering is done, a box pops up with "Unexpected Error". The burn is then automatically terminated. I MAY be missing something in the preparation of the menu, but I have even tested the menu out in the "simulation mode" that you can access before the burning dialog, and everything seemed to work fine there. This has me baffled, but to be perfectly fair, I have not tried to read any doccumentation on Menu preparation (I downloaded the software directly from the Corel/Ulead site and did not get a manual with it). Perhaps there is something that I am missing, but I kind of doubt it. I wonder if others are having the same issue...

Basically, this software package is EXACTLY what I was hoping for back in the beginning of this year when I started all of this BD burning. I have not checked to compatibility of these discs on set top boxes (other than the PS3's), but I would assume that the compatibilty rate will be MUCH higher than with the BDAV's...

Lee

Since I have BDMV working on the PS3 to my satisfaction, I am not too worried about AVCHD. Given the 8.5GB limitation that the software imposes, it really is no help to me, as the reason why I want to burn Blu-Rays is to not have to split up my HD movies over more than one disc. It is also a nice bonus when I can burn MULTIPLE movies on one disc as well...

Here are a few more observations...

1. 720p material is accepted as a compliant HD video file and is burned to the disc without any conversion. This should be a huge relief to those who had to monkey with 720p material with Movie Factory 5. With some 720p movies, this was a real pain, which caused me to "give up" on making HD DVD versions of them.

2. You can author a BDMV with BOTH 1080i AND 720p on the same disc. I have successfully burned 25GB discs (on both -R and -RE media) with two different movies -one in 1080i and the other in 720p. It works just fine.

3. Adding chapter stops does NOT affect playback and is seamless. When making HD DVD conversions with MF5, I had experienced a problem with this, but I do believe that part of the problem was the quality of the media itself. Once I went STRICTLY to Verbatim brand dual layer DVD's, it was a thing of the past. I can confirm that chapter stops on both -R and -RE media do not effect playback in any way.

4. I have ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, N O T been able to author a BDMV disc with a working menu. Every time I try, it renders the motion sequences of the menu (which are saved to the hard drive as mpegs, and I CAN view them there after the burn is aborted by the software), but after the rendering is done, a box pops up with "Unexpected Error". The burn is then automatically terminated. I MAY be missing something in the preparation of the menu, but I have even tested the menu out in the "simulation mode" that you can access before the burning dialog, and everything seemed to work fine there. This has me baffled, but to be perfectly fair, I have not tried to read any doccumentation on Menu preparation (I downloaded the software directly from the Corel/Ulead site and did not get a manual with it). Perhaps there is something that I am missing, but I kind of doubt it. I wonder if others are having the same issue...

Basically, this software package is EXACTLY what I was hoping for back in the beginning of this year when I started all of this BD burning. I have not checked to compatibility of these discs on set top boxes (other than the PS3's), but I would assume that the compatibilty rate will be MUCH higher than with the BDAV's...

Lee

If you have a chance to try the disc on the Sony BDP-S1 I would like to know if it is playable. I've been waiting for a cheaper alternative to RoxioDVDIT Pro. As you probably know Cyberlink PowerProducer uses BDAV which isn't playable on the BDP-S1. I had contacted Sony and Cyberlink about this without any response to the possiblity of updates to allow playing on set top units.

I burned a test burn on BD-RE from an mpeg2 1920x1080i video file off my JVC GZ-HD7 and it played fine on my sony BDP-S1 with fw 2.5

I burned a test burn on BD-RE from an mpeg2 1920x1080i video file off my JVC GZ-HD7 and it played fine on my sony BDP-S1 with fw 2.5

Thank you so much for the information. I will buy the software rather than just trying it. i just want it to burn on BD/BD-RE to play on my BDP-S1.

I don't think that you will have any problem with the BDMV's working on the Sony player. The BDAV's have a much simpler file system (kind of like a standard DVD) and do not use the newer UDF standard (2.5/2.6?) that the BDMV discs do. Other than the (obvious) issue with the fact that BDAV's downconvert your audio to 2.0, there seems to be an inherent issue with audio dropouts that occur during the first 10-30 seconds of MOST HD content that you burn to BDAV format. After this, things seem to be fine, but with a couple of movies I found that the movie would stop at the very second that the credits started to roll. This makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. These were the things that bothered me the most about BDAV. In the beginning I just assumed that it was a firmware issue in the (PS3) player, but after later firmware updates, the "glitches" stayed EXACTLY the same for each disc. I have not experienced ANY of these issues with the BDMV compilations.
Don't expect the menu options to work at this point (at least I can't seem to get them to work), but the movies seem to play "flawlessly"...

Lee

I don't think that you will have any problem with the BDMV's working on the Sony player. The BDAV's have a much simpler file system (kind of like a standard DVD) and do not use the newer UDF standard (2.5/2.6?) that the BDMV discs do. Other than the (obvious) issue with the fact that BDAV's downconvert your audio to 2.0, there seems to be an inherent issue with audio dropouts that occur during the first 10-30 seconds of MOST HD content that you burn to BDAV format. After this, things seem to be fine, but with a couple of movies I found that the movie would stop at the very second that the credits started to roll. This makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. These were the things that bothered me the most about BDAV. In the beginning I just assumed that it was a firmware issue in the (PS3) player, but after later firmware updates, the "glitches" stayed EXACTLY the same for each disc. I have not experienced ANY of these issues with the BDMV compilations.
Don't expect the menu options to work at this point (at least I can't seem to get them to work), but the movies seem to play "flawlessly"...

Lee

Thanks for the information. I did buy the program, made a disc on BD-RE and it played without problem on my BDP-S1.

Does anyone know, if the HD POWER PACK supports subtitles for the BDMV authoring?

Any word on the Panasonic player? It seems to be the most tolerant player out there so I suspect that it works.

Also, can someone please reiterate the full names and versions of this new software?

Thanks!

Does anyone know, if the HD POWER PACK supports subtitles for the BDMV authoring?

You can actually choose BDMV or BDAV authoring when designing each DVD project. It is a very good program. I just downloaded it yesterday and used it so I could make discs to play on the Sony BDP-S1 which only plays BDMV discs. I like this program a lot, it's worth the price. The discs play on the set top without problem.

You can actually choose BDMV or BDAV authoring when designing each DVD project. It is a very good program. I just downloaded it yesterday and used it so I could make discs to play on the Sony BDP-S1 which only plays BDMV discs. I like this program a lot, it's worth the price. The discs play on the set top without problem.

The problem is that you cannot add subtitles in BDAV authoring with MF6 only in HD DVD authoring.

Exactly. Its been no small secret that hd-dvd as a recordable technology is DOA as blu-ray has it beat in the market. By the time hd-dvd recording gets its act together (years?) prices on bd burners will be $200 or less. BD disk prices will be much cheaper as well. Couple that with the higher capacity and new cheaper organic recording layers and the result is blu-ray will own the next gen recording market. So what people say? Well consider that there will be a very large number (eventually millions) of BD-R/RE drives drives put into computers from Dell, HP, and other OEMs (all of which will be capable of BD-ROM playback) and you begin to see the advantage that BD has on the PC market side of the equation.

The fact that BR has a recordable system is the only advantage they have at this time. The fact that they have two completly incompatible authoring systems (BDAV/BDMV); the fact that few of the stand alone BR players work with the current systems (I own the BDP-1000 and does not play BDMV) and the fact that two studios don't publish in Blu-Ray means that we are going to be stuck with both formats for a long time. I hate to burst your bubble but as Tom Roper stated, BR burning is very much behind what you can do with HD-DVD right now. The only difference is we don't have an HD-DVD recordable option and having to span a movie over multiple disks is a pain to some and doesn't matter to others. I don't record HDTV shows so I personally could care less about spanning. I do however own both an HDV and AVCHD camcorders and do need at maximum a 15 layer disk option. My personal movies last an average of 30 minutes with one of them maxing out at 2 hours which I can could use a 15gig disk for. Since I don't have that option, I am forced to use two DVD9's. I would like very much for there to be one format but that is not ever going to be an option.

I want to make this point very clear!
What I don't ever want to have to do is check to see if my parents Blu-Ray player will except a BDMV movie or a BDAV movie before sending them a finished copy of my home made movie of their Grand Kids. :(

This is precisely what we are being forced to do right now. Until this changes, BR as a recording format is dead in the water. I hope this changes sooner than later!

The fact that BR has a recordable system is the only advantage they have at this time.
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BR burning is very much behind what you can do with HD-DVD right now...
...
BR as a recording format is dead in the water.
paintit77,

What pot are you smoking?

paintit77,

What pot are you smoking?

I don't know, its green and smells like a skunks butt!:D

If you want to make sure your discs are compatible with your parents player, just make sure they get a player that plays BDMV. It is not that difficult really.

I believe all retail Blu-Ray movies use the BDMV structure, so all Blu-ray players have work with BDMV on the other Hand nothing says they have to work with BDAV.

If I'm wrong please correct me :)

I believe that some of the earlier BD players may not work with BDMV on BDR or BDRE media.

That said, based on what you have stated, there is no reason why they can't - perhaps if it is important there will be firmware changes to allow it.

AVCHD is supported by both Panny and Sony- it is the future. Great HD format for burning even to regular DVDs - I have done it with HD camcorder footage. The fricking regular DVD-R's burn and show true HD(on a bluray player or computer) with the Panny and Sony Camcorder software.

AVCHD is supported by both Panny and Sony- it is the future. Great HD format for burning even to regular DVDs - I have done it with HD camcorder footage. The fricking regular DVD-R's burn and show true HD(on a bluray player or computer) with the Panny and Sony Camcorder software.
Well, the problem with AVCHD is that it still can not be smart rendered, and Avchd is not yet QUITE up to snuff with mpeg2 (breaks up worse than mpeg2 in fast moving pans)

I think Avchd has a good future ahead of it and may end up replacing mpeg2 (for consumer cams at least)... but it's not quite there yet.

I do 3x dvd (red laser HD DVD's) as well as some avchd work, and when 2 identical clips are rendered out in each respective format... the mpeg2 base is always looking just a bit better. Of course the great advantage to avchd is that its bit rate can be varied to a much larger extreme without affecting the quality..... mpeg2 does not have this luxury.

As far as blu ray is concerned.... well, its biggest problem from day one has been compatibility issues between all of its hardware. It does work, but you need to consult the manual on every piece of BD hardware that you buy to make sure it is compatible with what you are doing.

In case anyone wants to know, I went through Akihabara in Tokyo and just got back home. Again, no HD DVD burner....

Toshiba has just recently released a new burner in the UK... I am HOPING we see it hit the larger consumer market before Christmas!

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/dvdpvr/0,39030701,49292535,00.htm

Lee,

Elementary stream means:

Video only file - .m2v (mpv)
Audio only file - .ac3

There are some free programs that can de-multiplex .MPG and .TS files into elementary streams:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?toolsearch=&Submit=Search&s=111&orderby=Name&hits=50&convert=&dvdauthorfeatures=

I personally use Womble MPEG Video Wizard to de-mux MPEG file.

I use Video Redo to create the elementary streams. An 18GB TS file is split into a 10GB MPV file and a small AC3 file. When I import them into DVDIT Pro, it creates a project that is 28GB in size. It plays fine in simulation but can not be burned to disc. I can't figure out what I am doing to cause the size expansion.

Ted

I use Video Redo to create the elementary streams. An 18GB TS file is split into a 10GB MPV file and a small AC3 file. When I import them into DVDIT Pro, it creates a project that is 28GB in size. It plays fine in simulation but can not be burned to disc. I can't figure out what I am doing to cause the size expansion.

Ted

DVDit does not always calculate the project size correctly but you can burn to volume and see what the size of the files will be. One project I had it said I was at 22gb but in reality I was at 16gb :rolleyes:

I think it assumes a recode of the MPEG2 but does not aways do one.

Hi Everyone,

I know that a lot of you are probably like me, and have a lot of content archived on D-VHS and possibly even PC hard drives that was collected from broadcast HD material. Recently, I started converting some of these movies to HD DVD (I support BOTH formats) and got kind of tired of splitting the movies up into two different discs (using dual layer DVD's). They worked great and all, but there were a few shows that I just didn't feel like swapping discs on, and even a few would have actually required 3 discs!

That got me to thinking... With a Blu-Ray 50 GB, I could LITERALLY put the entire original (high bitrate versions of) the "holy trilogy" on ONE disc! That was all the motivation that I needed. I did some searching around, and found that the Sony internal (100) model supports both the 25 and 50 GB discs in both -R and -RE forms. Other drives (which actually are MORE EXPENSIVE) only supported the 25 GB single layer variety.

After looking at some websites, I noticed that both Circuit City and Best Buy had the Sony recorder on sale for $599, which was less than most online retailers. I went by Best Buy in person, and to my surprise, they had a couple of them in stock. I wasn't expecting this, as their website stated that they were not available for store pickup. I just so happened to have a 12% off reward zone coupon, and I ended up purchasing it for $529.

After going home, I plugged the drive into my primary PC, and my computer (for some strange reason) would not boot into windows OR go into the BIOS settings. Apparently, the drive confused my "older" (and I use this term loosely) motherboard. Determined to make this work, I pulled the drive and installed it into my son's "newer" computer. It was recognized and worked fine.

I loaded the supplied software, and did a test burn with a 25 GB BD-RE disc. I am not about to start burning $18 coasters at this point. Sure enough, my first 5-7 discs would have been "coasters", as my Playstation 3 refused to play them and came up with an error code. After doing a search on the 'net using this error code, I was pointed to a thread that explained that this issue had been fixed through a recent patch on Cyberlink's website. By installing the "Sony patch" to the Director software that came with the drive, I was FINALLY able to produce WORKING Blu-Ray movie discs for the PS3.

At this point, there are only 2 "issues" that I am experiencing:

1) There are audio dropouts that appear to effect the first minute (only) of the video files. After the first 30 seconds to a minute, it doesn't appear to happen again. This is consistently happening, even when the source video file has no noticeable issues. This HAS to be happening during the processing of the files in the Cyberlink software. My temporary fix for this is that I am going to put some type of "filler" intro material before the feature, so that the audio dropouts will be over before the movie starts.

2) My receiver does not flag the video as full dolby digital. My HD DVD conversions of the same material DID. This is a Playstation 3 issue, and it also happens when you play a "normal" video file from the media center. The interesting thing is that the audio "sounds" fine, and is most certainly multi-channel. When I select to view the information on the stream, the PS3 shows an accurate bitrate for the video, and lists the audio as Dolby Digital 48Khz @ 256 Mbps. In comparison, a "regular" 5.1 signal from a retail Blu-Ray disc shows 48Khz @ 640 Mbps. At this point, I do not know if the audio source for my videos is actually at a higher audio bitrate and is being downsampled by the PS3, or if the issue with my receiver not flagging the 5.1 signal as Dolby Digital is a PS3 firmware issue. I suspect the latter, as the video and audio is NOT being processed or converted IN ANY WAY by the Cyberlink software. It would be interesting to see what kind of output a set-top Blu-Ray player would show.

Overall, I am EXTREMELY pleased with my initial results. Using the -RE discs is a VERY conveinent way to "proof" my burns. I thought that I should share my results with you all, since I was unable to find much info about doing this from performing a search on the internet. If this information has already been covered here, please forgive me, as I have been VERY busy lately and have not spent much time on this forum recently. I Hope this information will help those who were looking for a solution for making a durable (and more importantly conveinently usable) backup of your archived HD material...

Lee

I have just sent this message to Corel.

I would like to thank Corel for this excellent HD-Pack.
I have been able to make a Blu-ray BDMV & AVCHD on normal DVD's
without any problems at all, and would like to comment on the following:

All Chapter Points in BDMV triggers a menu(should be able to supress this
as an option).

AVCHD picture qualityfrom HDV material on normal DVD's is SUPER!.
HDV conversion to AVCHD takes a long time. A 12 minute HDV took nearly 2 hours, compared to 6 minutes for the same in BDMV.

If you want to make sure your discs are compatible with your parents player, just make sure they get a player that plays BDMV. It is not that difficult really.
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Phloyd, there are three players that say they play BDMV. The rest don't. The Pioneer, Both Sony's, the Samsung BDP-1000, and the up-coming Denon do not play BDMV or BDAV.

There should be one format and only one. If you want the largest possible adoption, you need one format that works. That is not that difficult, having to dig through a players user guide to read the fine print is difficult. Do you think the idiots at Wal-Mart and BB are going to know if the BR player on the shelf can play BDMV? No. Like your argument, the answer is No.

AVCHD is supported by both Panny and Sony- it is the future. Great HD format for burning even to regular DVDs - I have done it with HD camcorder footage. The fricking regular DVD-R's burn and show true HD(on a bluray player or computer) with the Panny and Sony Camcorder software.

That may be true in 10 years but right now, it is far from being the standard. I use my AVCHD camcorder very little. The picture quality on the highest setting does not compete quality wise to my HDV cam. They're not in the same space in terms of quality. I don't like editing it. You can't touch up a frame without losing something else. The support in terms of software is ****. The only good thing I can say about it is that I can import the footage in less time. When you compress the picture quality to that degree you always lose something. When the manufacturers start increasing the color bit depth, I hope it fixes some of the issues it has now.

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Phloyd, there are three players that say they play BDMV. The rest don't. The Pioneer, Both Sony's, the Samsung BDP-1000, and the up-coming Denon do not play BDMV or BDAV.

Wrong info. Both Sony's, S1 and S300, and the third one, PS3 play BDMV.

How do you know that up-coming Denon doesn't play BDMV?

Has anybody been able to do a sequential, multi part Blu Ray RE disc?

I have a new Sony laptop with a built in Blu ray burner (mitsubishi). It came with a relatively basic "Cick to DVD BD" burnining software and I have not been able to record more than one video segment on the disc, no matter how short. When I want to record another one (HDV Sony camera as a source via Fire Wire), I can not do it until the old segment is erased (even with 90% of disk space still available).

So I got me a more professional software (Adobe master Suite CS3) that icludes Blu Ray burning. Same thing, I can not burn without erasing evwrything else on the RE disk first.

Any advice would be appreciated.

For both packages, there is also picture quality degradation on Blu ray versus HDV format original, certainly not a lossless conversion/rendering process.

Hi. Interesting thread.
Do anyone know how much data you can really burn on a Verbatim BD-R 25GB.
Have several projects that is about 23.1GB totally, but in Nero I cannot burn them because there is not sufficient space on the disc. Am I confusing bits and bytes and GB's here or?
Thanks!

If memory serves me correctly, the Movie Factory 6+ shows that you can fit up to 23.4 GB on to a "25GB" -R BDMV compilation without a menu. With a menu, you lose a bit of space. I also noticed that adding chapter stops to some videos causes it to project that you are taking up a bit more space on the disc than the file size would indicate. I BELIEVE that a "25GB" -RE disc can not hold quite as much information as a -R disc as well...

Lee

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Phloyd, there are three players that say they play BDMV. The rest don't. The Pioneer, Both Sony's, the Samsung BDP-1000, and the up-coming Denon do not play BDMV or BDAV.


As someone else pointed out, you are wrong about the Sony players.

You are also wrong about the Pioneer player, the Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 is compatible.

The Samsung 1000 plays them with the 1.0 firmware but later firmware seem to disable that.

So unless you are hunting out the original Samsung player or the Denon which has not released yet, it would seem that your choices are pretty wide and varied.

I would also be interested to know what makes you think the upcoming Denon will not play BDMV on BD-R...

Mozartman I have authored several movies using BDMV and they will not play on any of the Sony players except the PS3. I own the Sony BR Burner and the only set top player I can get to play BDMV using Ulead, Roxio and Nero is the Panny. I have an insider at Denon and that is how I know it does not play. It is a family member so I don't abuse the relationship. Don't ask me anything about it. I will tell you that I only own one product from Denon so I am not a big fan of their stuff anyway.

Look people, you all can try and justify this bone headed crap that the BR group has bestowed upon us but there is no justification. Having two incompatible authoring standards is completely idiotic and needs to be addressed and fixed soon!

I do stand corrected on the BDP-1000 from Samsung. It does play BDAV but not BDMV. That is what I author in when playing my HDV footage back on my Samsung. The only problem is that BDAV has to be authored from Ulead 10 version 0.0132. Anything later and they don't work on the Samsung.

Also, BDMV is a seperate authoring program than BD-ROM that use JAVA Profile 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0.
It is not the same. Why do you think that some stand alone set tops will play BDMV and others won't? At the same time the "said" players will play pre-recorded movies (except FOX films which seem to be giving people fits)?

Mozartman I have authored several movies using BDMV and they will not play on any of the Sony players except the PS3.

Sounds like they need a firmware update.

Other people have clearly had success with the players you have had trouble with.

Anyone know if ulead or any bd authoring programs run on the mac, thx.

Elektrizitat:

The LH-2B1S latest Fw is AL09 not 06 here is the link :)

http://www.liteonit.com/DOWNLOADS/ODD/LH-2B1S/firmware/BD2BAL09.zip

I just upgraded my FW on the Sammy BDP-1000 to 1.2 (latest version) and used Ulead to author a BDMV. It plays except I lose my DD5.1 audio as it converts to PCM 2.0. I expected as such when using the analog outs on the player. I just came back from BB and tried it in the Sony BDP-S1 and BDPS-301. Guess what? IT NO WORKY! Tried it in the Samsung BDP-1200 and guess what? It worked! Tried it in the Pansonic, and what worked before does not work now.

I am glad you all can get BDMV to work in your players, but I am still having issues. What I think would be of great help is if the BR group would demand and require that all CE BR players state in there user guides and on the outside of the box that they will except a disk that has been authored in BDMV.
I guess that would be too much to ask though wouldn't it.

Thanks for the post, couple of questions:

How long is the burning process? Maybe some examples with different sizes?

This is probably a dumb question but is the burner buffer underrun proof? If the computer has a slight problem or can't provide the data fast enough will the burning pause and wait for the buffer to fill back up without failing?

What bitrate are you using/getting, are you just getting the same as the source? does it pad or have default settings in the software?



again thanks for the info

I think its around 15 to 20 minutes

I have Sony BDP-S1 fw is latest 2.5 i used ulead movie factory 6 pro with HD patch to burn a BD-RE with BDMV and it played fine not sure why your test didnt unless BB sony s1 didnt have latest fw.

You might try to burn using UDF 2.6 if you dont already.
Nero has UDF 1.1 as default. IMG burn cant handle anything but 1.1.
Dont know about the other progs.

IMG burn cant handle anything but 1.1.


I usually create the UDF 2.5 with a different app and then burn the image with ImgBurn since it burns BDREs faster...

I usually create the UDF 2.5 with a different app and then burn the image with ImgBurn since it burns BDREs faster...

Are you sure you get UDF 2.5 when burning with IMGBurn although the image is created with another app?

Absolutely.

IMGBurn cannot create UDF 2.5 but it can burn any image to a disc.

I've had a lot of success creating ISO image of a BDMV first with UDF2.5 and then using Nero 8 to burn it to a BD-RE. That's more reliable than writing straight to the disk. Writing that way gives me a sustained 2X BD write speed.

I have tried reading thru this thread but all I get is a headache. I have a Sony HDR-HC3, and Nero 8 Ultimate. Can someone give me a break and tell me how I can create a Blu-ray disc playable on a PS3?? I used the direct to disc method that plays fine on the PC, but the PS3 pops up a message that it 'cannot play this disc'. Any help will be appreciated.

Gene

I have tried reading thru this thread but all I get is a headache. I have a Sony HDR-HC3, and Nero 8 Ultimate. Can someone give me a break and tell me how I can create a Blu-ray disc playable on a PS3?? I used the direct to disc method that plays fine on the PC, but the PS3 pops up a message that it 'cannot play this disc'. Any help will be appreciated.

Gene

Are you burning to BD-RE/R or DVD-+R/RW?
I am asking this because title of your post says Unplayable DVD

I am sorry, the problem is burning to BD. I made one almost-successful BD-RW using a 50g Panasonic written as a simple data disc, but one of the four segments was "corrupted" per the PS3. These were from tapes taken during our trip to Thailand. This latest trial I screwed up and used a Sony 25g BD-R instead of a rewritable. That "effort" gives me the "cannot play" error.

I am capturing and burning (standard) DVDs using the same hardware/software w/o any problem. I am missing something in translation working with BD!

All of the reading I have done tells me that the HDR-HC3>Nero 8 Ultra>PS3 should work, but apparently I am doing something wrong:(.

Thanks for any help.
Gene

Some information I didn't see mentioned in this thread:

The HD Powerpack add-on for Ulead DVD MovieFactor6 Plus adds BDMV and AVCHD support. However, the BDMV support does not support burning to DVD media; it only works with BD media. Only the AVCHD option supports burning to DVD, and it will not create disks without a time-consuming conversion to H.264.

This differs from the program's support for HD-DVD. It will create HD-DVD compliant DVDs with interactive menus and it does so without re-encoding the MPEG-2 source.

Only the AVCHD option supports burning to DVD, and it will not create disks without a time-consuming conversion to H.264.

Does it still go through the time-consuming conversion with files from an AVCHD camcorder?

Do AVCHD DVDs created by Ulead playback on PS3 with 5.1 audio?

Does it still go through the time-consuming conversion with files from an AVCHD camcorder?I don't have a camcorder so I don't know.

I tried one or two recordings I encoded with H.264 before, and it wanted to re-encode those. I'm not sure what encoding parameters I should use in MeGUI to [try to] produce a compatible MPEG-4 file.

If you post or link to a recording from an AVCHD camcorder, I will try it.

Do AVCHD DVDs created by Ulead playback on PS3 with 5.1 audio?They do provide the option for that, but the "auto" selection defaults to DD2.0. I just started encoding another AVCHD disk with DD5.1 selected, so I'll report back later how it works with the PS3.

Screenshot of AVCHD Options in MovieFactory6 Plus (http://mysite.verizon.net/~fiosdvr/burn/avchd.jpg)

If you post or link to a recording from an AVCHD camcorder, I will try it.


Try these (Canon HG10)




http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/raw%20files.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00009.MTS.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00011.MTS.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00019.MTS.zip

Try these (Canon HG10)



http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/raw%20files.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00009.MTS.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00011.MTS.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00019.MTS.zipGood news.

MovieFactory6 Plus (with BDMV/AVCHD add-on) created a disk with those files and a menu in 12 seconds. No re-encoding necessary. It took another two minutes or so to burn the disk.

Do AVCHD DVDs created by Ulead playback on PS3 with 5.1 audio?I can now confirm that MovieFactory6 Plus does create AVCHD disks with DD5.1 that are playable on the PS3. The PS3 reports multichannel Dolby Digital and my receiver reports receiving DD5.1.

The primarily limitation of MovieFactory6 Plus is that it provides no means to fit larger sized recordings to DVD, aside from a setting for maximum bitrate. For example, to fit that 1hr:50min Terminator recording on a DL DVD, I had to set a peak bitrate of 9900Kbps. I would much rather have a 9900Kbps average bitrate with a peak bitrate of 15000Kbps.

As it is now, it looks like you need to re-encode larger recordings to MPEG-4 AVC prior to adding the file in MF6 if you want to use a 15Mbps peak bitrate.

Good news.

MovieFactory6 Plus (with BDMV/AVCHD add-on) created a disk with those files and a menu in 12 seconds. No re-encoding necessary. It took another two minutes or so to burn the disk.

I can now confirm that MovieFactory6 Plus does create AVCHD disks with DD5.1 that are playable on the PS3. The PS3 reports multichannel Dolby Digital and my receiver reports receiving DD5.1.

That's great news! Thanks for the testing/report.

To whom it may concern/experts:

I have adopted a new pet project and I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to editing and burning movies in general. I have the Back to the Future Trilogy in HD I DVR'd off HBO back on July 4 of this year. I plan on archiving all three movies on BD since they probably won't be released on HDM anytime soon. I understand how to transfer the movies from the DVR onto my PC using firewire and CapDVHS. My concern is this: once the movies are transferred, I want to burn the movies onto BD with a custom DTS soundtrack I ripped from the Japanese DVD set. What software should I use to perform this operation? Is there such a software I can use that can specify a delay with the soundtrack so I can synch it up correctly with the video? Any input would be appreciated!!!!

I don't know of any commercial level software that will allow you to sync the DTS.

A combination of VideoRedo and Roxio DVDit Pro HD should allow you to do it with the original DD soundtrack.

I don't know of any commercial level software that will allow you to sync the DTS.

A combination of VideoRedo and Roxio DVDit Pro HD should allow you to do it with the original DD soundtrack.

The reason I want to use this track is because the actual 1080i broadcast had generic stereo sound, not even DD 5.1. Are you saying DTS isn't a possibility because VideoRedo and Roxio DVDit Pro HD don't recognize DTS?

The reason I want to use this track is because the actual 1080i broadcast had generic stereo sound, not even DD 5.1. Are you saying DTS isn't a possibility because VideoRedo and Roxio DVDit Pro HD don't recognize DTS?

Yes that is pretty much the case iirc.

DVDit Pro HD may support DTS but I don't think so - maybe someone can say for sure.

So the nifty tools we have to do these things are not so much use here...

Yes that is pretty much the case iirc.

DVDit Pro HD may support DTS but I don't think so - maybe someone can say for sure.

So the nifty tools we have to do these things are not so much use here...

Not that big of a deal then, I guess I'll just use the Dolby Digital 5.1 track instead.

PS3 now can playback .M2TS files with AC3 5.1 and output 5.1 surround sound instead of 2.0 from XMB since Firmware 2.0.

Finally!

I have sonic Scenarist HDMV and am trying to author my own Blu Ray Disc. I think it's a very good software, but I have the following 2 problems:

1) When importing assets = video or audio elementary stream, file proprrties are not always displayes in the property box in the lower left corner of the screen. The odd thing is that sometimes hey are displayed and sometimes they aren't; I can't unterstand why this happens

2) I created a multichannel 5.1 .wav file from 6 mono wav files, the channel sequence of every 5.1 wav is FL,FR,C,LFE,SL,SR , when importing the file in the MUI generator of Sonic I have the following error:

Specified ChannelAssign is not corresponding to data

as soon as I start the generation of MUI files. Anyway the file gets loaded and recognized as multichannel wav L,C,R,Sl,SR,LFE it looks like sonic expects a differen channer order, but the order cannot be changed in a wav file; I also tryied with extensible wav format 0xfffe but the error is the same.

Is anyone experiencing the same problems?

sorry duplicate post, mods please delete

First you create a new virtual asset, adjust its properties and then replace the virtual asset with the actual one

It worked once, but then when I replace the virtual asset with actual one, its proprties disappear. I'm starting to think it's doe to the MUI generator. For some files properties "survive" when replacing the virtual with actual, for some else not.

Which Blu-Ray authoring Software do you consider the best?

Which Blu-Ray authoring Software do you consider the best?If you are burning MPEG-2 content to Blu-ray disk, the best I've found is Ulead MovieFactory6 Plus with the $20 AVC/BDMV add-on pack. It burns all MPEG-2 content without re-encoding and preserves the original DD soundtrack.

The workflow is a definite step up from DVDit.

Many thanks, I hope this software does not re-encode Mpeg2 stream and accepts pcm 5.1

do you think it's also better than Sonic Scenarist?

Scenarist is for serious users. Especially this HDMV version is for very serious users

I bought the original of Ulead movie Factory 6 blu Ray authoring plugin: it's easy to use and well working, it also accepts MPEG2.TS files (very good) but unfortunately it cannot accept elementary streams. I need a program accepting elementary .m2v .wav and .dts files for Blu-Ray Discs, because I want to add high quality audio tracks to my own discs, so I need Sonic (Bluprint is unreachable).

Anyway I think the problems of the misisng properties of the assets is due to the mui files created by the MUI generator. I'm trying to insert virtual assets and replacing them with actual ones, but the properties disappear, is there any way to keep the properties set for the virtual asset for the actual one?
Thanks

I am not in front of my main PC now but if i remember well once you set properties for the virtual asset, these remain for the actual ones.
Why would you need to set properties again?

If you are burning MPEG-2 content to Blu-ray disk, the best I've found is Ulead MovieFactory6 Plus with the $20 AVC/BDMV add-on pack. It burns all MPEG-2 content without re-encoding and preserves the original DD soundtrack.

The workflow is a definite step up from DVDit.

Can you list a step by step guide please to doing this?

I found this more up-to-date article verry helpful:

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/hdhdv/depth/format_war_hdv_part2_102207/index.html

Can you list a step by step guide please to doing this?

The software is very simple. Once you install the add-on pack (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm) you're given two options. There's the Blu-ray option which works with Mpeg2 and creates a BDMV disk. That will give you the option to go direct to a Blu-ray disk or the hard disk. On further investigation, it appears that this might also be able to be burned from the hard disk to DVD if you use 2.5 UDF (Nero for example). The other option you're given by Ulead is to choose AVCHD which works with H.264 video and only offers the option to go to DVD. You can also copy the files off the disk after they're burned if your software can read the format (Vista can).

Here is a more involved procedure that involves the Ulead software with plug-in http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324 It doesn't discuss the Blu-ray to DVD option that seemed to work for me, but otherwise it's a good description of some of what the Ulead software is capable of.

EDITED AFTER LOOKING MORE INTO WHAT CAN BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE ULEAD SOFTWARE

...I don't think it's possible to send Mpeg2 to AVCHD (Blu-ray AVC video on DVD option).
Yes, it is possible with TSRemux:

Blu-ray to DVD guide: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

I can create AVCHD disk on DVD5/9 with TSRemux from HDV .m2t files re-encoding only audio and keeping video at original quality.
Re-encoding of HDV audio is required because it is MPEG audio, and Blu-ray disk doesn't support that. It has to be AC3.

The only downside of TSRemux is that it doesn't create (yet) menu.

Yes, it is possible with TSRemux:

Blu-ray to DVD guide: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

From what I read TSremux just creates BDMV files. The Blu-ray option on the Ulead software creates BDMV. If that thread is really possible for mpeg2 then I would think my BDP-S1 might play back BDMV from the Ulead software burned to DVD. I tried formatting a DVD with UDF 2.5 using the Vista OS and it didn't work. I couldn't figure out how to get Nero OEM 7 to do UDF 2.5 so I was going to try the Nero 8 trial, but I'm not holding out hope that mpeg2 HD video can go to DVD for playback on Blu-ray players (although it might be possible on PS3). If it was really possible then I don't know why Ulead didn't include the option in their software. Maybe I could check out the TSremux, but I don't know what it would be doing that the Ulead software doesn't support. The only thing else (besides ps3) I can think of for why you say m2t works is if it's interlaced and the files I was using were progressive.

Does anyone know if the AVCHD option on the Ulead software can use H.264 video files (non-AVCHD from a camcorder) without conversion? If so, then what format needs to be used so that Movie Factory will not convert? It can do that for HD DVD and Blu-ray Mpeg2, so I'm hoping it can do the same for AVCHD but what we've tried so far hasn't worked. 1080p .ts and .mov didn't work, but actually neither of those seem to be in the AVCHD supported formats (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html). Does anyone know if the Ulead AVCHD option will accept 1080 interlaced h.264 video without conversion?

From what I read TSremux just creates BDMV files.
Not only that. You didn't read that guide carefully.

TSRemux creates the whole BDMV disk structure with AVCHD discription in the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. This way you can put MPEG-2 files on DVD5/9 and it will trick PS3 and other stand alone BD players to think that it is AVCHD video on DVD disk.

Look at this image carefully. It shows Blu-ray radio button selected.

http://upload.cdfreaks.com/bd2dvd/BD2DVD_tsremux_002.png

Here is another guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring:

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

TSRemux creates the whole BDMV disk structure with AVCHD discription in the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. This way you can put MPEG-2 files on DVD5/9 and it will trick PS3 and other stand alone BD players to think that it is AVCHD video on DVD disk.

Would there be some way to modify the BDMV or AVCHD output from Movie Factory to burn mpeg2 with menus to DVD?


H.264 with menus like in the Ulead AVCHD option would be fine, but to this point the files we've tried have either not been accepted or the video has been transcoded (H.264 progressive .mov).

Would there be some way to modify the BDMV or AVCHD output from Movie Factory to burn mpeg2 with menus to DVD?
1. We will have to ask Ulead/Corel to enable that.

2. I don't have Movie Factory yet, so I don't know if it will work, but here is one idea for you:

Author BD project with MPEG-2file with menus and burn it to hard disk.
Then try step 4 and 5 from Path 1 from this guide: http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

4. Unpack the file "AVCHD_leer.zip" (AVCHD_empty). You will get the folder structure for the AVCHD-Disc.

5. Now open Windows Explorer and select on the one side the created Blu-Ray Disc and on the other side the empty AVCHD-Disc. Just copy the folders "Clipinf", "Playlist" and "Stream" into the AVCHD folder.

Then burn to DVD and see if this trick preserves menus.

Author BD project with MPEG-2file with menus and burn it to hard disk.
Then try step 4 and 5 from Path 1 from this guide: http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html Then burn to DVD and see if this trick preserves menus.

From http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:5DnqF_O8Vu4J:www.earfeast.com/software/blu-ray/+index.bdmv+MovieObject.bdmv&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us I don't think that would exacly work, but you did give me some ideas on things to try.

Thanks

From http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:5DnqF_O8Vu4J:www.earfeast.com/software/blu-ray/+index.bdmv+MovieObject.bdmv&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us I don't think that would exacly work, but you did give me some ideas on things to try.

Thanks

alluringreality,

Take a look at this thread and BD Edit tool:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125903

It might be helpful.

I decided to just try burning the BDMV created with Ulead's Blu-ray option to dvd using Nero and 2.5 UDF as discussed in http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/. Sure enough, it did play on the BDP-S1.

I decided to just try burning the BDMV created with Ulead's Blu-ray option to dvd using Nero and 2.5 UDF. Sure enough, it did play on the BDP-S1.

Can you elaborate on your processing steps? Also what type of dvd (+-) are you using?

Steve

ULEAD MOVIE FACTORY 6 WITH PLUG-IN SOFTWARE:
1 - I chose the Blu-ray option in Movie Factory
2 - I used Mpeg2 video that did not need to be transcoded (it takes a while to transcode and it didn't take long to create the disk).
3 - On the burn screen I chose the create blu-ray folders option

NERO 8 TRIAL SOFTWARE:
(this is basically described in http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/)
1 - Go to Nero Burning Rom
2 - Choose DVD Rom (UDF)
3 - No Multisession
4 - On UDF tab - Manual, Physical partition, UDF 2.5
5 - Click new button
6 - Put BDMV folder from Movie Factory on Disk
7 - Burn

The disk was DVD+R. The brand was probably Ritek.

Has anyone tested Scenarist 4.2 ? I cannot display more than one button in a menu page; the only button displayed remains selected all the running time of the movie. Has anyone been able to create good working menus? Thanks.

Yes, it is possible with TSRemux:

Blu-ray to DVD guide: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

I can create AVCHD disk on DVD5/9 with TSRemux from HDV .m2t files re-encoding only audio and keeping video at original quality.
Re-encoding of HDV audio is required because it is MPEG audio, and Blu-ray disk doesn't support that. It has to be AC3.

The only downside of TSRemux is that it doesn't create (yet) menu.

I tried this using Nero and making sure UDF 2.50 was selected but my player (Panasonic BD30) doesn't play it. It seems to go in a loop. it keeps trying to read the disc but nothing happens. Obviously I tried this several times with different discs and source files.

I won't use any Nero to create your Own BD; if you want to create them in an easy way use Ulead Movie factory HD power pack, but you'll have to feed files containing both audio and video. If you are a serious user use Scenarist 4.2 or better 4.3 and give it elemantary streams.

Sorry duplicate post, mods please edit

I won't use any Nero to create your Own BD; if you want to create them in an easy way use Ulead Movie factory HD power pack, but you'll have to feed files containing both audio and video. If you are a serious user use Scenarist 4.2 or better 4.3 and give it elemantary streams.

Yes, but at least Ulead Movie Factory requires you to recompress the files to create an AVCHD. I don't wanna do that. I want to burn my current m2t or ts (Mpeg-2 with AC3 audio) files transferred from my DVR without recompressing them, which I was able to do when I had a HD-DVD player, but it looks like it's no dice with Blu-Ray unless you have a PS3, and I really don't care to have a gaming console.

As it is now, it looks like you need to re-encode larger recordings to MPEG-4 AVC prior to adding the file in MF6 if you want to use a 15Mbps peak bitrate.

ANyone know how to do this easily? I'd love to take a 2 hour movie and encode it in h.264 to get it on one disc...

Thanks,
Chris

Not only that. You didn't read that guide carefully.

TSRemux creates the whole BDMV disk structure with AVCHD discription in the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. This way you can put MPEG-2 files on DVD5/9 and it will trick PS3 and other stand alone BD players to think that it is AVCHD video on DVD disk.

Look at this image carefully. It shows Blu-ray radio button selected.

http://upload.cdfreaks.com/bd2dvd/BD2DVD_tsremux_002.png

Here is another guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring:

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

Whelp, I tried doing with unfortunately without much success on my PS3. I took an ABC 720p broadcast, followed the instructions and put the disc in my PS3. It played, but the playback was extremely choppy.

I then followed that up with a 1080i CBS broadcast this morning thinking it was something with the 720p stuff. I again did the same thing, but my PS3 didn't even display any video with that stream.

I am on firmware 2.00. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Chris

I tried this using Nero and making sure UDF 2.50 was selected but my player (Panasonic BD30) doesn't play it. It seems to go in a loop. it keeps trying to read the disc but nothing happens. Obviously I tried this several times with different discs and source files.
Sebaz,

It may Panasonic firmware issue.

Whelp, I tried doing with unfortunately without much success on my PS3. I took an ABC 720p broadcast, followed the instructions and put the disc in my PS3. It played, but the playback was extremely choppy.

I then followed that up with a 1080i CBS broadcast this morning thinking it was something with the 720p stuff. I again did the same thing, but my PS3 didn't even display any video with that stream.

I am on firmware 2.00. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Chris
Schlotkins,

Update firmware to 2.01. Firmware 2.00 screwed up many things with PS3.

.TS files recorded from broadcast may have dropped packets, sync issue, etc.

Do you run your .TS files through MPEG2Repair?

If you don't, I would suggest you to do that, and then use fixed .TS file to see if it helps.

Here is MPEG2Repair: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG2Repair

Anyone know of a free or cheap tool for cutting and joining H264 TS files? I used H264Cutter (http://www.h264tscutter.de/), but it doesn't accept my modded-Dish MPEG4 captures.

Schlotkins,

Update firmware to 2.01. Firmware 2.00 screwed up many things with PS3.

.TS files recorded from broadcast may have dropped packets, sync issue, etc.

Do you run your .TS files through MPEG2Repair?

If you don't, I would suggest you to do that, and then use fixed .TS file to see if it helps.

Here is MPEG2Repair: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG2Repair

Thanks for the help. The 720p file played fine with that perfectly. The 1080i file actually played, but with no sound and it was choppy. I have a couple things to try and see if that helps or not.

On a side note, has anyone fooled around with the Elecard Converter 2.0 software? It appears to be pretty powerful and somewhat easy to use with a Blu-ray HD profile. I guess my question would be how do I take the video (h.264) file and the audio (AAC or WAV) and combine them to get onto a DVD. It's pricy, but if I can get it encode my MPEG2 files properly, it may be worth it.

Thanks,
Chris

Hi
Sucesfully used TSREMUX on .ts files, (Heroes), and chosen m2ts as output.
Burned them in a VIDEO folder, (for easy access on my PS3), with Nero 7.x.x using UDF 2.6 on a BD-R (Verbatim) 25GB.
Some files play excellent, but some plays with really bad stuttering. Audio is OK, but video goes a few frames back, forward, back forward every 10 second or so. Almost unwatchable.

Any suggestions please?

Yes, but at least Ulead Movie Factory requires you to recompress the files to create an AVCHD. I don't wanna do that. I want to burn my current m2t or ts (Mpeg-2 with AC3 audio) files transferred from my DVR without recompressing them, which I was able to do when I had a HD-DVD player, but it looks like it's no dice with Blu-Ray unless you have a PS3, and I really don't care to have a gaming console.

Have you tried http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12276178#post12276178 ? The idea is just to burn the BDMV folder to DVD with UDF 2.5 or higher. I was just trying it on a test pattern disk that we are working on, but it worked for our contrast, brightness, and color bar patterns. Going to HD DVD is a little easier and I like the popup menus more than standard menus, but on early looks at burning the Ulead Blu-ray BDMV folder to DVD it might work for our application.

Hi
Sucesfully used TSREMUX on .ts files, (Heroes), and chosen m2ts as output.
If you choose Blu-ray output you can have chapters within the video.


Some files play excellent, but some plays with really bad stuttering. Audio is OK, but video goes a few frames back, forward, back forward every 10 second or so. Almost unwatchable.

Any suggestions please?
Bad broadcast transmission from cable company --> Bad file recorded on you DVR hard drive --> bad .TS file transfered from DVR to PC.

The only option, I guess, is to re-record that program again at another time.

I recorded movie from HBO to DVR hard drive to watch it later. When I decided to watch it I found out that the video was freezing, pixelating, audio was dropping. I recorded that movie again on another day, and it was perfect.

Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried muxing AVC video and AC3/AAC audio from existing files (ie. MKV/OGM files) into a BD9 layout without transcoding?

I just found out about BD9 and I would love to convert a bunch of existing HD material into BD9 discs for use on a standalone player.

However, I definately do NOT want to transcode/reencode the video or audio.