My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... [Text View] - Page 4

benes

12-01-07, 12:56 PM

Where do you get Scenarist? You have to buy it, or find someone who can use it at work (like I did), or get access to it in some other way. You have to figure that out for yourself. If you can't get it or if this doesn't look like the program for you then read the last paragraph of the next post titled "Alternative".

For this guide we will be authoring from a standard transport stream file with MPEG-2 video and AC-3 audio. Scenarist supports all codecs but more on that later. Our Blu-ray will be in BDMV format which is the "advanced" mode used on commercial discs. Our disc will be a single Title and will have chapter stops but no menu.

Scenarist only works with elements and obviously they need to be BD compliant streams. Any US HDTV MPEG-2 capture should work fine. Use MPEG2Repair (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=442446) to log your stream first. If there are no glitches then you are good to go. Otherwise go ahead and repair the file. I also recommend the QuickStream Fix feature of VideoReDo (http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm). So first we will need to demux our transport stream into elements. Use xport (http://www.w6rz.net/) for that.

Some notes about captures. Sometimes they will be flagged as 2.0 audio for the first few frames and then switch to 5.1. If you author an audio track like this Scenarist may keep the stream as 2.0 for the whole length. If this happens just trim the beginning of your transport stream with HDTVtoMPEG2 (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/) before you demux it. Also look for this line in your MPEG2Repair log:

1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (27.27 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (15.92 Mbps Average).

Now the actual bitrate of the video here is 15.92Mbps which is fine. However the other 65.00Mbps bitrate here presents a problem for us. This is the "header bitrate" and Blu-ray only allows a maximum of 40Mbps headers. So we need to run our MPEG-2 element file through Restream (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Restream) and change the header bitrate. Making it 40 is just fine. This will not alter the video or effect the quality in any way. If your stream is already 40 or below then you can skip this step.

Now you should have your audio and video elements. Go to your Start Menu > Programs\Sonic\Scenarist Workgroup\Blu-ray Disc Authoring\Utilities and open MUI Generator. Click Browse and open your video file. Click the Create Files button. When its done you will get a message saying "MUI Generator End." Now do the same for your audio track(s). If all goes well it will create a bunch of files in the same directory as your audio and video. The important ones are .ves.

We are ready to load the main application now called Scenarist HDMV. Click on New Project in the toolbar, give it a nice name, and check the box for "Auto-create Project Folder". Choose a directory that has enough space, preferably one on a different physical drive from your source files so the muxing will go faster. Select the Data Tree tab on the left and select the Data Editor tab on the right. Drag your video.ves and audio.ves files into the Data Editor window on the right. You can add multiple audio tracks. Select the StreamTree tab on the left and right-click on "Clip" and select New > Clip > Movie Application. Drag your video onto Clip#1 and select Primary Video in the popup window. Now drag your audio onto Clip#1. Right click on "Stream" and select New > Playlist. Click the plus to expand the playlist. Drag Clip#1 onto PlayItem#1. Click OK on the popup.

Select the Scenario Editor tab on the right. Move the two boxes apart to give yourself some room. Right-click on the FirstPlayback box and select Set MovieObject and click OK on the popup. Now do the same thing for the TopMenu box. Right-click on an open space below and select New > HDMV Title. Go up to the toolbar, click on the "Connect" button and select "Jump" from the dropdown menu. Drag a line from the "cmd" box of FirstPlayback to the Title box. Now drag a line from the "cmd" box of TopMenu to the Title box. Drag Playlist#1 from the left onto the MO box.

Select the Stream Editor tab on the right. You will see a timeline on the bottom and a single chapter mark called PLMark#1. Right click anywhere in the timeline and select Insert > PlayListMark and click OK on the popup. Congratulations you've just added a chapter mark. Add as many as you like.

Now go to Tool > CPS. Click on the Settings button. Here you can set things like Copy Control, Image Constraint Token and Digital Only Token. Obviously we wouldn't want these silly things on our discs so set them accordingly. Back in the main CPS Editor window go to the CP/CMF tab and you can set the Region Code here.

Save your project and close Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

Change the 3 to a 0 (zero). This will prevent the disc from being flagged as encrypted. This is very important. If you do not perform this step your disc will NOT work.

Start Scenarist again and open your project back up. Do NOT touch anything at all in Scenarist at this point or it may reset the CPI setting again. Now we are ready to mux. Go to the Start Menu ... Utilities and load Mux Remoting Server. You don't need to do anything here so go back to Scenarist HDMV. Click on the MUX button on the toolbar. Check the box for "Not create the disc image file". Click MUX Start and away we go. Depending on the length of your video this will take a few minutes. When the box turns green you are done so click Close and go ahead and quit Scenarist and Mux Server.

You will find your final files in ProjectFolder\Output\MUX\Disc\DB. Go ahead and delete the AACS folder since we don't want any part of such nonsense. Don't worry your data is not encrypted and neither will your disc be. If you have PowerDVD Ultra version 7.3.3319a or earlier you can test your files right now. Unfortunately they disabled playback from hard drive in later versions. Even for your own authored discs. :mad:

You are now ready to burn. We will use ImgBurn 2.4.0.0 (http://www.imgburn.com/). First go to Tools > Settings > Write and check the box for "DVD-RAM / BD-RE FastWrite". Now in the main window select "Write files/folders to disc". In the Options tab on the right select UDF for the File System and 2.50 for the UDF Revision. This is VERY important. Do not skip this step or your disc will not work. Drag your BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders into the root level of the disc and burn.

At 2x speed it takes 45mins to burn a full BD25 and 90mins to burn a full BD50. Needless to say you should be using BD-RE re-writable media for all your burns until you are completely comfortable with the process. You can skip the verify to save time since you can erase the disc anyway.

Congratulations you have just made a professionally authored BDMV format Blu-ray disc!

benes

12-01-07, 12:57 PM

Here is how you can author HDDVD format EVO files to Blu-ray. Use EVOdemux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/EVOdemux) to demux your Evo. Choose the main video stream and whatever audio stream(s) you want. In the options check the box for "continue with the next EVO" if your source is split into 2 evo files. If the audio is DTS-HD it should work on Blu-ray. Unfortunately DD+ and TrueHD tracks from HDDVD are not compatible with Blu-ray. But no worries we can simply convert them to another codec with eac3to (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966).

If the video is AVC use h264info (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138139) to process the stream first. NOTE: Being an Alpha tool it will not work on all titles. If you encounter such a stream submit it to the author so it can get updated. Until then your only other option is to re-encode the video.

If the video is VC-1 use vc1conv (http://www.w6rz.net/) to remove the pulldown flags from the stream. This will allow the stream to be authored as 1080p. Obviously if you have one of the few discs with TRUE interlaced video (such as Nature's Journey) then you would not perform this step.

MPEG-2 streams will work as is. If you happen to have a rare MPEG-2 HDDVD that is 1080p you can use PULLDOWN.exe (http://www.inwards.com/inwards/?id=36) to remove the pulldown flags.

Thats basically all you have to do. From here on use the Scenarist guide to author starting with the MUI Generator step.

A Cool Extra: If you have any recent Sony movie you may have noticed that it displays the name and a picture on your PS3. Well you can add this to your own discs as well! Just copy over the META folder from a Sony disc into your own project. Change the pictures to your liking but you will probably have to keep the same dimensions. They are in jpg format. You can open the .xml file and change the name of the disc. This makes your discs look very professional. :)

There is obviously a LOT more to Scenarist than what is in this guide. Some things you can experiment with are adding multiple titles, playlists, clips, etc. And of course menus. You can even create Profile 1.1 PiP video AND Profile 2.0 discs. Don't be afraid to explore everything in the program.

Alternative: Ulead with the HD plugin will also create BDMV format discs but only MPEG-2. It has some advantages though. For one it will accept a transport stream as input and it will not re-encode compliant video and audio. It also will create the menus for you. The program is very easy to use. Unless you have a specific reason to use Scenarist this might be the way to go.

DVDit Pro HD and Adobe Encore CS3 also make BDMV format discs.

benes

12-01-07, 12:57 PM

post reserved.

space2001

12-01-07, 04:10 PM

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I have tons of avc files from my DVR that I would like to put on Blu-ray, but they are not complient.

cinemeccanica

12-01-07, 05:50 PM

Good Job benes!! thank you

alluringreality

12-02-07, 10:31 PM

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I keep reading that the Ulead software should accept m2ts. Have you tried TsRemux?

space2001

12-03-07, 06:53 AM

I have tried a whole bunch of different methods, but it introduces stuttering in the video and the audio is off. the best I have found is xmuxer Pro, but there is still audio delay on it.

it has to do with AVC on HD DVD with all the flags they put in the AVC file. I believe is its a 23.97fps but flagged as 29.97. Which is not in the blu-ray standard. VC-1 seems to work well. havn't had any problems with those.

framura

12-03-07, 04:03 PM

Hi benes,

I followed your guide to re-author some my BDs or HD-DVDs (to remove some audio launguages without any video reencoding) and my produced BDs works very well (now I would like to add some menu but it's not easy).

I have only a problem: subtitles.

With Scenarist the only sub format file accepted it's BDN (an xml file descriptor) and associated png images or exists another way to import subtitles file?

Can you help me?

TIA

P.S.: thanks for your guide :D

Brajesh

12-04-07, 07:45 AM

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content? When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2. Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only. If I use Ulead DVDMF6+ HD pack to author a BDMV, my PS3 sees the DVD-R as a "Data Disc" & won't autoplay.

All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?

framura

12-04-07, 07:56 AM

Some progress on subtitle side: I have created a BDN file with timing info from sst file (created by supread) and imported in Scenarist: it works.

I able to display subtitle with PDVD but I must to know how to set subtitle position on screen automatically but it's a start.

Bye

MozartMan

12-04-07, 08:09 AM

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content?
..........
All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?
Yes, I did.
.....
Yes, it can.

I used TSremux. It plays perfectly on PS3.
I used .TS file (1920x1080) recorded from cable broadcast on one DVD+RW disk, and I used .M2T HDV file (1440x1080i) on the second disk. With HDV file I had to demux video and audio, re-encode MPA audio track to AC3, and then mux back. Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG audio on BDMV disks.

When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2.
That's the way DMZ released the latest version of TSremux so you can put MPEG-2 videos on DVDs as BDMV disk and play on PS3 or stand alones. Kudos to DMZ!
Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD, only AVCHD. So, TSRemux fools PS3 and makes the DVD disk to look like AVCHD disk with AVCHD video.

Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only.
May be bad video, or bad burn.

Brajesh

12-04-07, 10:32 AM

MozartMan, I'll try doing MPEG2 as AVCHD w/TSRemux on DVD media again. When burning w/Nero, do I need to do anything special other than...
1. Choose DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Choose partition manually to UDF 2.50
3. Drag BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders to root of DVD structure
4. Label the DVD 'BD_TEST' or anything (does it matter?)
5. Burn

Do I need to set the DVD writer to "physical disc" type using Nero? ... or leave it as automatic? or DVD-ROM? Thanks.

maxleung

12-04-07, 10:51 AM

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

MozartMan

12-04-07, 11:21 AM

framura

12-04-07, 12:27 PM

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

The BDN file it's a file with following format:
------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<BDN Version="0.93" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="BD-03-006-0093b BDN File Format.xsd">
<Description>
<Name Title="English" Content=""/>
<Language Code="eng"/>
<Format VideoFormat="1080p" FrameRate="23.976" DropFrame="false"/>
<Events LastEventOutTC="01:36:49:16" FirstEventInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentOutTC="01:36:49:16" NumberofEvents="12" Type="Graphic"/>
</Description>
<Events>
<Event Forced="False" InTC="00:00:24:18" OutTC="00:00:26:16">
<Graphic Width="1920" Height="1080" X="0" Y="0">line0001.png</Graphic>
</Event>
..
..
..
</Events>
</BDN>
----------------------------------------------------

Various xml TAGs are autoexplicative: the above xml it's for graphic subtitle (images linexxxx.png) but it's also possible to use text subtitle (but in this case are required many others attribute, like palette, colors).

You can import a similar xml file with import BDN Scenarist function and to insert the associated PG in the clip.

To create a BDN file now I would like to develop a little program to create it from sst file (easy for Graphic BDN file, not easy for Text BDN file format).

Bye

maxleung

12-04-07, 12:49 PM

Thanks framura, that is very helpful!

space2001

12-05-07, 07:43 AM

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be

space2001

12-05-07, 01:05 PM

thanks Benes for all your help, I wonder if a BD9 will work on the ps3 now

space2001

12-05-07, 01:48 PM

I have successfully done a hd dvd to AVCHD you need a AVC structure.

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

that is where I got the structure from and you have to do some Hexediting on the playlist file, but other then that it workd really well and you can DTS 1.5mbs

first use evodemux.
then EActo to convert teh DD+ or TRUEHD to DTS or DD
Then use scenarist to author it.
after split the M2TS using the HDsplit into 4 gig(single layer) or 8.5 gig(dual layer) chunks
then use TSremux for each file and just overwrite the proper files with the AVCHD Structure and don't for get to rename the files from the mini blu-ray guide.

dr1394

12-05-07, 02:17 PM

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be
I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
profile: 100
constaint_set0_flag: 0
constaint_set1_flag: 0
constaint_set2_flag: 0
constaint_set3_flag: 0
level_idc: 41
seq parameter set id: 0
chroma format idx: 1
bit depth luma minus8: 0
bit depth chroma minus8: 0
Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
pic_order_cnt_type: 0
log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
num_ref_frames: 2
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
derived height: 1088
direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
frame_cropping_flag: 1
frame_crop_left_offset: 0
frame_crop_right_offset: 0
frame_crop_top_offset: 0
frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_idc:1
overscan_info_present_flag: 0
video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
video_format: 5
video_full_range_flag: 0
colour_description_present_flag: 1
colour_primaries: 1
transfer_characteristics: 1
matrix_coefficients: 1
chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
timing_info_present_flag: 1
num_units_in_tick: 450450 <-----------------
time_scale: 27000000 <-----------------
fixed_frame_scale: 1
nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
bit_rate_scale: 0
cpb_size_scale: 0
bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
cbr_flag[0]: 0
initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
time_offset_length: 0
vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
pic_struct_present_flag: 1
motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
num_reorder_frames: 4
max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

bfdtv

12-05-07, 02:46 PM

In http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=556357 there is talk about Movie Factory being able to accept video and not having to transcode it when going to AVCHD by 4eyes. Has anyone been able to do that and have it play as an AVCHD on the PS3? Basically we want to do the encoding and then just have Ulead accept the video and not transcode it, similar to how the Blu-ray option works for mpeg2 video. We have tried feeding it a couple mov files, but even with the "do not..." check set it still transcodes. Any ideas?I've done that.

You've got to use valid AVCHD format files. A Quicktime movie is not a valid AVCHD format file.

Phloyd

12-05-07, 03:19 PM

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.

space2001

12-05-07, 07:12 PM

I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
profile: 100
constaint_set0_flag: 0
constaint_set1_flag: 0
constaint_set2_flag: 0
constaint_set3_flag: 0
level_idc: 41
seq parameter set id: 0
chroma format idx: 1
bit depth luma minus8: 0
bit depth chroma minus8: 0
Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
pic_order_cnt_type: 0
log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
num_ref_frames: 2
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
derived height: 1088
direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
frame_cropping_flag: 1
frame_crop_left_offset: 0
frame_crop_right_offset: 0
frame_crop_top_offset: 0
frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_idc:1
overscan_info_present_flag: 0
video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
video_format: 5
video_full_range_flag: 0
colour_description_present_flag: 1
colour_primaries: 1
transfer_characteristics: 1
matrix_coefficients: 1
chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
timing_info_present_flag: 1
num_units_in_tick: 450450 <-----------------
time_scale: 27000000 <-----------------
fixed_frame_scale: 1
nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
bit_rate_scale: 0
cpb_size_scale: 0
bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
cbr_flag[0]: 0
initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
time_offset_length: 0
vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
pic_struct_present_flag: 1
motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
num_reorder_frames: 4
max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks

dr1394

12-05-07, 08:05 PM

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks
This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:

http://www.w6rz.net/original.jpg

Edited:

http://www.w6rz.net/edited.jpg

Ron

dr1394

12-05-07, 08:38 PM

Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.
To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.

Ron

Phloyd

12-05-07, 09:51 PM

To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.

Perhaps.

With respect to the frame gap thing, the frame num variable for AVC is one of the strangest things I have seen for quite some time in 'syntax' space. That said, the gap flag seems to me to be a mechanism for broadcast to allow for frames dropped due to outages. I could be wrong, but that is what it seems to me.

So it seems very odd to enable it for a packaged media encode.

I am sure that if there were gaps in the frame_num sequence it would cause at least a little problem for the decoder if that flag was not set. I was kinda hoping you would know ... perhaps we should ask Amir. :D

alluringreality

12-06-07, 11:22 AM

Is there any chance that the ps3bdfix from http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12369935#post12369935 would work to get BDMV on DVD from Ulead Movie Factory to play on the PS3 as an AVCHD? From reading the thread I got the impression that might not be the issue with why BDMV on DVD will work on my BDP-S1 but not on the PS3.

space2001

12-06-07, 07:31 PM

This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:

http://www.w6rz.net/original.jpg

Edited:

http://www.w6rz.net/edited.jpg

Ron

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

Phloyd

12-06-07, 08:07 PM

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

The header shown appears in the stream many times - you will need to change all of them to be consistent.

space2001

12-06-07, 10:29 PM

thanks

space2001

12-07-07, 03:04 PM

ok problem the file I am hexediting is 21 gigs after I hexedit it the file is only 600 megs, I don't think its opening the whole file.

I am using XVI32 for it, am I doing something wrong.

Thanks

dr1394

12-07-07, 03:50 PM

ok problem the file I am hexediting is 21 gigs after I hexedit it the file is only 600 megs, I don't think its opening the whole file.

I am using XVI32 for it, am I doing something wrong.

Thanks
I don't think XVI32 will work on really large files. On my old laptop (with only 256 MB of RAM), it usually fails to even open large files.

The more I think about this issue, the more I think it's futile (at least with a hex editor).

Ron

space2001

12-07-07, 07:42 PM

yah I tired a diffrent hex editor but I keep running out of swap space

going to try on my other computer and see if I can get it to work it has more space

Pascal Bourgeois

12-08-07, 09:28 AM

A real and great thank to you for your short "user guide".
THis allowed me to do my first steps in blue ray professionnal authoring !;)

Phloyd

12-08-07, 11:29 AM

The more I think about this issue, the more I think it's futile (at least with a hex editor).

I tend to agree, unless you can find one that can 'edit in place' and will do a 'replace all' kind of function.

Something else to note is that once you change all of the time ratios (and fix the illegal flag) you will still need to change the pulldown flags to 'frames' and fix the buffer delays - these kinds of things would be very difficult with a hex editor.

If you don't do those things, it will simply do the same thing that it does now only at 24/30 the original speed...

space2001

12-08-07, 01:36 PM

I have done 2 replacement on a 1 gig file and it works perfectly with no problems.

so now I just have to figure out a way to do it to a 21 gig file.

dr1394

12-08-07, 07:55 PM

I have done 2 replacement on a 1 gig file and it works perfectly with no problems.

so now I just have to figure out a way to do it to a 21 gig file.
That's encouraging. I have a small command window program that you can use to chop a big file into smaller chunks.

http://www.w6rz.net/clip.zip

The usage is:

clip <infile> <outfile> <start offset> <length>

For example:

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip0.mpv 0 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip1.mpv 1000000000 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip2.mpv 2000000000 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip3.mpv 3000000000 1000000000

and so on.

Then you can reassemble with copy /b bitsclip0.mpv+bitsclip1.mpv+bitsclip2.mpv+bitsclip3.mpv editedclips.mpv

Ron

space2001

12-08-07, 10:53 PM

dr1394 that is great only problem with that is if I cut it wrong I could cut it accross one of the headers and then can screw up the file.

dr1394

12-09-07, 12:42 AM

dr1394 that is great only problem with that is if I cut it wrong I could cut it accross one of the headers and then can screw up the file.
Yes, but you could manually check the end of each file. Or you could check the reassembled file with h264_parse and grep.

http://www.w6rz.net/h264_parse.zip

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htm

For example:

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep time_scale
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep num_units
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep pict_struct
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep gaps_in_frame
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0

Since it's a huge file, save the output into a file.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep time_scale > check_time_scale.txt

Ron

space2001

12-10-07, 03:12 PM

I found a good hex editor but I am still having problems with the audio delay.

beside the video portion in EVODemux it says +83ms

so I put an audio delay of 1:23 in scenarist but it still is off

also now there is pixelation in the video every little bit which something tells me hexediting the video screwed it up some how.

framura

12-10-07, 04:26 PM

Some other news about BD subtitles: to create a BDN file format and to convert a subtitle file (like srt o sub format) I found EZConvert (http://www.eztitles.com/index.php?page=19).

This program it's able to convert a srt file and to create PNG 8 bit images and relative BDN file: it's perfect to work with Scenarist HDMV.

Only drawback: it's not free (I used a trial version).

Bye

Phloyd

12-10-07, 05:13 PM

beside the video portion in EVODemux it says +83ms

so I put an audio delay of 1:23 in scenarist but it still is off

83 ms is 2 frames at 24 fps.

jdatpslp

12-11-07, 09:09 AM

Does anyone know of a method for burning a Blu-ray disk with multichannel uncompressed PCM audio? I have Sony Vegas Pro 8 and apparently it only supports stereo PCM, a big disappointment since it otherwise will burn a BDMV right off the timeline. Thanks.

cinemeccanica

12-11-07, 09:36 AM

After wasting more than one moth in tests on this, I discovered the ONLY way is to USE Sonic Scenarist BDA 4.3. The 4.2 edition won't allow you to add a multichannel PCM track, the wav 5.1 multichanel doesn't match the LPCM channel mapping required by scenarist, and even if you remap the wav to lpcm with eac3to having the correct channel mapping, scenarist 4.2 will give you a read error. The 4.3 version (for the cheap price of $60000) allows to load up to 8 separate mono wav files and so the problem is solved. I suggest you to forget Nero and DVDit pro because they re-encode the video streamand also Adobe Encore (really the worst one). Ulead HD power pack for movie factory is good (it does not re-encode streams) but cannot accept elementary streams, so you cannot give it a .m2v or .h264 or .vc-1 video file plus varoius separate audio tracks to make a multi audio track disc. So the best way (and the only one if you are a serius user) is Scenarist, or if you are so lucky Bluprint

jdatpslp

12-11-07, 10:00 AM

It is my understanding that there are ways around the file size limit (which isn't an issue for me anyway). I checked DVDit Pro HD and it too appears limited to stereo PCM. 60 grand for Scenarist? Nope, that is more than my entire project budget! Blu-print meshes nicely with Vegas. Wonder how much that little "add-on" would cost :)

maxleung

12-11-07, 10:44 AM

jdatpslp: I talked to Sony sales and Blu-print is $60,000. To evaluate it you need to use a hardware dongle that you ship back to them after the trial period is over or else they charge you the full price. :)

cinemeccanica

12-11-07, 12:30 PM

I contacted SONY too and requested the trial version of Blu Print with a 30 day Dongle.After the trail period you'll have to re-ship the software and dongle, but this is OK for me.Anyway they state you must have a D&B number http://www.dnb.com/us/ but I'm a private user, not a part of any company. So I cannot be eligile for trying such a software. :(

Phloyd

12-11-07, 02:25 PM

I believe that there is (or at least was) a number of bugs with Sox and multichannel WAVe files. For that reason, trying to do multichannel WAV with programs that use Sox for conversion is doomed to much sadness and failure. If you have a hex editor handy and can work out the problems by looking at the WAV specification, I believe it is possible to patch the Sox output so that it will work.

MKANET

12-13-07, 10:08 PM

MozartMan

12-13-07, 10:36 PM

I just tried making a blu-ray BD-RE movie disc using Nero 8. When I tried to play the disc in my PS3, I get the following error:

This Video Cannot be played
(80029945)

What am I doing wrong? Is there a simple and cheap software that just works? Or, do I have to be an assembly language programmer to do this? Unbelievable...
Did you author and burn with Nero, or did you just burn with Nero?
If you only burned with Nero, what did you use to author movie disk?
What UDF version did you use when you burned with Nero?
What firmware do you have on your PS3?
Need more info.

I author BDMV with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack, and then burn with Nero 7 to BD-RE. No problem with PS3.

MKANET

12-13-07, 10:55 PM

I just open Nero Vision 8, make blu-ray disc (editable blu-ray disc) drag n drop the video into it... and select Burn. I bought PS3 about 1 year ago. I havent upgraded the PS3 firmware. I did get a warning message about the UDF not being compatible with XP.

So... what kid of somersaults do I need to do to make this work?

Basically I did what I was supposed to do... going by "it just works" school of thought.

Did you author and burn with Nero, or did you just burn with Nero?
If you only burned with Nero, what did you use to author movie disk?
What UDF version did you use when you burned with Nero?
What firmware do you have on your PS3?
Need more info.

I author BDMV with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack, and then burn with Nero 7 to BD-RE. No problem with PS3.

MozartMan

12-13-07, 11:11 PM

I just open Nero Vision 8, make blu-ray disc (editable blu-ray disc) drag n drop the video into it... and select Burn.
I forgot to ask in my previous post, what kind of video are you trying to burn?
Is it .TS, .M2TS, .M2T, or something else? Does Nero re-encode the video?
What does PS3 says when disk is loading, BDMV or BDAV?

I bought PS3 about 1 year ago. I havent upgraded the PS3 firmware. I did get a warning message about the UDF not being compatible with XP.You better upgrade firmware because it may fix your playback problems.

MKANET

12-13-07, 11:24 PM

Mpeg2 1080i. Nothing special. Nero re-encodes it just fine and burns without errors. I dont think it gets too far with the disk loading in the PS3... I just noticed the error message. This disc plays with stuttering on the PC using PowerDVD. I dont have trouble playing Blu-ray commercial discs with on the PC or the PS3.

I forgot to ask in my previous post, what kind of video are you trying to burn?
Is it .TS, .M2TS, .M2T, or something else? Does Nero re-encode the video?
What does PS3 says when disk is loading, BDMV or BDAV?

You better upgrade firmware because it may fix your playback problems.

MozartMan

12-13-07, 11:42 PM

Mpeg2 1080i. Nothing special. Nero re-encodes it just fine and burns without errors. I dont think it gets too far with the disk loading in the PS3... I just noticed the error message. This disc plays with stuttering on the PC using PowerDVD. I dont have trouble playing Blu-ray commercial discs with on the PC or the PS3.
Here is some clues for you.
I suspect that Nero re-encodes MPEG-2 into AVC and makes AVCHD disk which is not supported by early firmware on PS3. You need to upgrade your firmware.

MKANET

12-14-07, 12:31 AM

Ill look into this and report back. I know that all the Blu-ray commercial discs Ive played on the PS3 have never given that error message before. The chances of ALL the discs not being AVC are pretty slim.

Here is some clues for you.
I suspect that Nero re-encodes MPEG-2 into AVC and makes AVCHD disk which is not supported by early firmware on PS3. You need to upgrade your firmware.

space2001

12-14-07, 02:59 PM

dr1394

12-14-07, 07:40 PM

hey benes I got the video into scenarist, and that all worked great, but now there is some pixellation. I think it because of the hex edit,which is weird since I only changed the headers. don't know why that would affect the video in any way. and the audio for me is still off.

going to keep trying.
There's many reasons why the hex edit could affect the playback. You may want to verify the edited bitstream with the H.264 reference decoder.

http://www.w6rz.net/ldecod_patch.zip

Use the command line:

ldecod -i edited.mpv -o nul

This will decode the bitstream, but not output any YUV (because the YUV file would be gigantic for a full-length movie). If there are any bitstream syntax problems, ldecod will print an error and terminate. Be warned that ldecod is very slow, so it's an overnight run kind of thing (assuming no errors).

Ron

ckelly33

12-14-07, 10:50 PM

Is there any software out there that will allow you to create great Bluray menus (?possibly even 'pop-up' menus??)? I bought several over the summer but was looking at Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ & HD Pack but the support for good menus seems limited to only HD-DVD by that product's description.

Recommendations?

Fotis_Greece

12-15-07, 10:29 AM

If anyone was using my Scenarist guide I updated it with some info on setting Copy controls and Region codes. We want to keep our discs as open as possible. ;)

Where is this guide?

MozartMan

12-15-07, 11:00 AM

Where is this guide?

Here, page 26:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12369935#post12369935

space2001

12-15-07, 10:45 PM

ok I was able to get the video with no glitches, I changed all the 81 E0 01 which is what caused the glitch, I only changed it on the first appearence.

space2001

12-16-07, 11:07 AM

ok so I still have an audio delay when I do an offset for the audio of 2 seconds it actually starts the audio earlier

and checking the timeline.

I converted the eac3 to a dts still trying to figure this out

space2001

12-16-07, 02:26 PM

Phloyd

12-17-07, 01:13 PM

ok found the problem with my audio now just have to find a way to correct it, after changing all the flags now the video coming into scenarist is 2:58 ( I should have noticed this before) the audio is 2:23. so the video thinks its longer then it is.

That is indeed the case. I mentioned it in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12434414#post12434414) in the last sentence.

The problem is that for HD DVD the frames are tagged as fields, and in some cases 2 fields, some cases 3 fields (to give 3:2 pulldown). So the first thing you need to do is to change all of those tags to be frames.

Secondly, and I am not sure how important this is, the buffer timings should also be changed since they are set up for 3:2 pulldown also. These should be adjusted to better match 24 fps than 30 fps.

This information can be found in the Picture timing SEI message semantics section of the spec. The pict_struct has the frame/field thing and cpb_removal_delay and dpb_output_delay are the buffer timing parameters. You should be able to see these values in the h264_parse.exe output.

Have fun!

space2001

12-19-07, 12:01 PM

MozartMan

12-20-07, 07:41 AM

Nero 8 has received certification for authoring and playback of writeable Blu-ray Disc Video (BDMV) titles and, with the new update, now supports advanced and interactive features for High Definition audio and video. The certifications were presented by Sony Corporation’s Blu-ray Disc testing center and ensure maximum compatibility with other Blu-ray devices for trouble-free operation.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/New-features-for-Nero-8-Press-Release.html

http://www.nero.com/enu/bluray-hddvd-video-plugin.html

I am wondering how Nero is going to stand up against Ulead DVDMF 6+ with HD pack.

Anybody has this latest Nero 8 with Blu-Ray/HD DVD Video Plug-in?

Paultje66

12-23-07, 03:45 AM

Is there a free solution to convert .sup files to a scenarist compatible one?(bdn)

framura

12-23-07, 12:24 PM

Is there a free solution to convert .sup files to a scenarist compatible one?(bdn)

I am developed a little vbs script to convert sst file (created from supread) to a bdn file but my problem are the images extracted from sup file: scenarist doesn't import them.

Do you have any idea?

Paultje66

12-23-07, 12:56 PM

I am developed a little vbs script to convert sst file (created from supread) to a bdn file but my problem are the images extracted from sup file: scenarist doesn't import them.

Do you have any idea?

No sorry. Dont know anything yet about subs:(

creator441

12-24-07, 03:23 PM

That is indeed the case. I mentioned it in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12434414#post12434414) in the last sentence.

The problem is that for HD DVD the frames are tagged as fields, and in some cases 2 fields, some cases 3 fields (to give 3:2 pulldown). So the first thing you need to do is to change all of those tags to be frames.

Secondly, and I am not sure how important this is, the buffer timings should also be changed since they are set up for 3:2 pulldown also. These should be adjusted to better match 24 fps than 30 fps.

This information can be found in the Picture timing SEI message semantics section of the spec. The pict_struct has the frame/field thing and cpb_removal_delay and dpb_output_delay are the buffer timing parameters. You should be able to see these values in the h264_parse.exe output.

Have fun!

Phloyd,

How are you doing?

I am on this exact problem but I was fortunate enough to find a blu-ray compliant version of the hddvd movie so the job is "already done". I tested the file on my PS3 and all plays perfectly. Now, the problem is to replicate that on any HD-DVD 29.97fps AVC video to convert it correctly to blu-ray 23.976fps AVC video.

As you mentioned above, the main problem seems to be the buffer values. I have no idea why they change how they do between my two files. Maybe I should read the documentation you mentioned about the SEI structures but even so I wonder if I will understand something.

I compared both files (hd-dvd and blu-ray) with elecard stream analyzer and I got mainly the following differences:

In every H264 SEI structure, the guy replaced pic_struct from whatever value it was before (it changes in the 29.97 file from HEI structure to another) to 0 all the time (0 = frame instead of interlaced). The num_clock_ts is also changed to always be equal to 1. The cpb_removal_delay changes compared to the 29.97 file but the value of the change differs each time. Same thing for dpb_output_delay.

In every H264 Sequence Parameter Set, the guy changed the gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag from 1 to 0 but we already knew that. Also, in the same sequence parameter set, he changed num_units_in_tick from 1001 in the 29.97fps file to 5005 in the 23.976fps file. He changed the time_scale from 60000 in the 29.97fps file to 240000 in the 23.976fps file.

In each of the P slices he ADDED some three new elements in the 23.976 compared to the 29.97. Here are the elements:

pred_weight_table()
luma_log2_weight_denom=0
chroma_log2_weight_denom=0

Now, the hard to figure out parts in all this are the "cpb_removal_delay" and "dpb_output_delay" flags in each H264 SEI structure. I can't figure out the pattern after checking it out a little (will continue to check).

TO help you guys see it more clearly, I created two files using elecard stream analyzer. Those presents the entire structures of the first 5 megabytes of each of the files. I named the hd-dvd compliant file "hddvd_29_97.txt" and the bluray one "bluray_23_976.txt".

Do a compare on those two files using any standard text file compare program and you should easily see the differences between the two files.

I hope somebody can figure something out so that we can apply the same thing to any HD-DVD 29.97fps avc movie file to make them blu-ray compliant.

A program probably was used to do this reverse pulldown conversion without recompressing the file but which one? I doubt an hex edit of the entire file was done.

creator441

12-24-07, 09:45 PM

I still want to figure out how to modify an HD-DVD avc 29.97fps stream to avc 23.976 blu-ray compliant one but for now I decided to do a ppf patch for people who want to convert their copy of Transformers HD-DVD to blu-ray. You will need the original HD-DVD movie to be able to use this patch.

This is only a small patch that will hex modify your HD-DVD avc elementary stream of Transformers to transform it from 29.97 HD-DVD format to 23.976 blu-ray format.

You will need ppf-o-matic 3.0 to apply the ppf patch file. The program can be found here:

http://www.planete-pes.com/mydownloads-singlefile.cid-19-lid-142.htm

You will also need to download the ppf patch here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/78893320/Transformers_avc_hddvd_to_bluray_patch.zip.html

Then, you need to start ppf-o-matic 3.0 and choose your avc elementary file from the hd-dvd that you obtained after using evodemux and open that file in the "ISO Image" box and open the ppf patch in the "Patch" box and then click Apply. Note that the avc file will be directly edited by this operation and that it will take quite a while to apply.

After that, you should be able to use the resulting avc file to author a blu-ray compliant disc.

NOTE: This only works for Transformers. It won't work for other HD-DVD AVC releases.

Happy holidays to all!

Paultje66

12-25-07, 01:39 AM

WoW thanx alot creator 441

Kanowsky

12-26-07, 12:33 AM

I've been trying to run avc stream from Blu-Ray through MUI Generator.
avc stream was demuxed with xport 1.0 from 1 big m2ts file.
So the error i got was:
Invalid timing info(DTS of 71567h Au is not greater then DTS of previous AU)

Well i'm not hoping someone tells me exactly what to do, because avc has a very complicated structure, but may be someone could give me a hint what is wrong with "dts of 71567h AU" or more more specific explanation of what this error means?

I've looked through this topic and checked values for the parameters in my avc stream.They seem to be correct:
num_units_in_tick: 5005
time_scale: 240000

and all values for gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag are zeroes.

All answers are very much appreciated!!!:)

Kanowsky

12-26-07, 01:33 AM

Hmm you would think video from a Blu-ray would be Blu-ray compliant for authoring. :p Its possible there was an error with the ripping or the demuxing process.

Well, I would suppose that video from BD was more compliant for authoring than from HD DVD :)
I tried to demux avc stream with all possible demuxers - same error.
Well, re-ripping also tried but only one more time.

Does anyone have a positive experience in authoring avc stream from Blu-Ray in Scenarist? If someone does, then please name the movie title so I could give it a try.

Kanowsky

12-26-07, 04:06 AM

Are you joining multiple m2ts files before demuxing? That usually can cause errors. Try only doing one m2ts file from the disc as a test.

Also if you happen to be using any recent Fox disc it will not work since they are not fully decryptable.

I demuxed avc stream only from one m2ts file so no joining here.
The whole movie is in one huge 20gb file actually:)

It was rather old Sony release of Revenge Director's Cut, so no BD+.
Also, no Java present on disc.

benes, thanx for participation in discussion.;)

framura

12-29-07, 05:45 AM

Well, I would suppose that video from BD was more compliant for authoring than from HD DVD :)
I tried to demux avc stream with all possible demuxers - same error.
Well, re-ripping also tried but only one more time.

Does anyone have a positive experience in authoring avc stream from Blu-Ray in Scenarist? If someone does, then please name the movie title so I could give it a try.

Hi,

I have same problem with Dracula Blu-Ray: my error is

DTS of 15288h Au is not greater then DTS of previous AU

I tried to demux ith tsremux and xmuxer with same error: and now how can I author my BD with AVC video stream if Scenarist doesn't works? :confused:

Do you have any solution?

TIA

Phloyd

01-01-08, 01:44 PM

Phloyd,

How are you doing?

I am fine - had a great holiday break :D

I am on this exact problem but I was fortunate enough to find a blu-ray compliant version of the hddvd movie so the job is "already done".

...

I compared both files (hd-dvd and blu-ray) with elecard stream analyzer and I got mainly the following differences:

The cpb_removal_delay changes compared to the 29.97 file but the value of the change differs each time. Same thing for dpb_output_delay.

In each of the P slices he ADDED some three new elements in the 23.976 compared to the 29.97.

Now, the hard to figure out parts in all this are the "cpb_removal_delay" and "dpb_output_delay" flags in each H264 SEI structure. I can't figure out the pattern after checking it out a little (will continue to check).

It has been a while since I looked at these things but iirc, the cpb counts up and the dpb is zero or a value.

The thing to do is to see what cpb counts up to before it resets to zero and then make it count up to 30/24 that amount. IE, if it counts up to 30, make it count up to 24. If it counts to 15, make it count to 12.

For the dpb I believe the sum is the key - basically in each sequence of the cpb counter, you will see it counts up to a certain number and then resets. Basically the dpb values in that sequence should sum to the same number (?) as the cpb counts to. So you need to change them by the same ratio. So 0 7 0 8 0 7 0 8 sums to 30 - change to 0 6 0 6 0 6 0 6 to get to 24... that sort of thing.

The above is from my fading memory on New Years Day so it may not be 100% ;) But hopefully you will get the idea from that.

I don't know anything about added elements in the P slices.

For more research I would suggest using your analyzer on other streams such as Disney AVC from a BD. That should give you a target for compliant AVC for BD authoring.

Have fun!

A program probably was used to do this reverse pulldown conversion without recompressing the file but which one? I doubt an hex edit of the entire file was done.

I don't know of any program available to do this. I imagine it was done using hand crafted software.

CDP

01-02-08, 03:21 PM

MozartMan

01-02-08, 03:33 PM

Hi,
I have been reading this thread to try to get my HD source on BD-R and BD-RE, I have the Sony BWU-100A, using Powerproducer 3.7. I have tried many of the stand alone Blu Ray players and the only one that works with BDAV is the panasonic DMP-BD30, it reads and plays BD-R and BD-RE dics made with powerproducer.

CDP

BDAV and PowerProducer suck. You should forget it.

Try TSRemux. It's free. It makes BDMV disk structure with AVCHD tag.
Then you can use Nero to burn to BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R/RW - 5/9 disks. It should play in every player.

I have a lot of .TS files from Comcast. Works great. Here is link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

Or if you have extra $100 dollars, buy Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with HD pack, and you will able to author Blu-ray BDMV disks with menus.

TObject

01-02-08, 08:33 PM

BDAV and PowerProducer suck. You should forget it.

Try TSRemux...

How exactly is this TsRemux thing supposed to make Blu-ray disks? I have a bunch of MPEG2 and AVCHD videos that I want to make into a Blu-ray disk without re-encoding. When I try to open an MPG file in the TsRemux I get the “Object reference not set to an instance of an object” error. Can this thing work with multiple videos? Or is this for one file per disk only?

MozartMan

01-02-08, 10:30 PM

How exactly is this TsRemux thing supposed to make Blu-ray disks?
1. Load MPEG file
2. Click Browse button for the Output File and select empty folder, not file
3. Check the check box for the video and audio stream
4. Click Blu-Ray radio button
5. Set Chapter length in minutes you want.

TSRemux will create BDMV structure in your chosen folder with two directories: BDMV and CERTIFICATE.

Then you can use Nero to burn those two directories to BD-R/RE, DVD+R/RW. But you have to manually select UDF 2.5 file system.

I have a bunch of MPEG2 and AVCHD videos that I want to make into a Blu-ray disk without re-encoding.
TSRemux doesn't re-encode

When I try to open an MPG file in the TsRemux I get the “Object reference not set to an instance of an object” error.
May be bad MPEG file.

Can this thing work with multiple videos? Or is this for one file per disk only?
One file per disk. If you want more than one file, you can join them with HDTVtoMPEG2 application (it is also free)

TObject

01-03-08, 01:42 AM

alluringreality

01-03-08, 07:56 AM

Perhaps I’ll give the Ulead DVD Movie Factory a try. Is it possible to have it not re-encode original content, or is it as bad as Nero in this respect?

For AVCHD I know it can accept H264 m2ts without transcoding. For BDMV I've seen it accept mpeg2 without transcoding (I haven't tried H264).

MozartMan

01-03-08, 12:54 PM

Thank you for the prompt and detail answers. It looks like I want something other than TsRemux, as I want to create Blu-ray disks with menus and multiple streams. I have a lot of high definition video material: both, from an AVCHD camera (Panasonic HDC-SD1) and computer generated MPEG 2 videos. I want to author these projects to Blu-ray disks, with menus, and chapters.
You should by Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with HD Pack then. It's the cheapest solution for Blu-ray authoring now.
I tried using Nero Vision version 5.2.7.0 (part of the Nero 8 suite). It kind of works, but it is unstable (it often blows up while creating larger projects), and I can’t find a way to stop Nero from re-encoding my video files.
I only use Nero for burning. No authoring with Nero for me.
Perhaps I’ll give the Ulead DVD Movie Factory a try. Is it possible to have it not re-encode original content, or is it as bad as Nero in this respect?
Yes. I am at work right now and cannot verify exact location, but there check box in Setup Options, or Project Properties, that says something like that: “Do not recompress compliant streams”. You will have to check it. Also make sure you project template matches your video file.

TObject

01-04-08, 12:23 AM

Great, fantastic, it looks like this may be exactly what I need. One last question: in BDMV mode does the Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack only support MPEG 2 streams output, or will it include MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, as long as I give it proper files?

Thank you

alluringreality

01-04-08, 01:13 PM

I might be able to test it to some extent. If you want to upload a small clip from your AVCHD camera I could see if it works (filesend.net seems like a good site). The thing about H264 with AVCHD (probably also applies to BDMV if it works) is that you have to feed the progam m2ts with audio. The format is not very popular and we are having a difficult time finding ways to create that format at 24p for our calibration disk project without expensive software. If you're wanting to maybe put video camera files on disk it might work like a charm, but if you're trying to put movies on disk it could very well be a major pain unless you want to just use Ulead to transcode to H264 interlaced files. Your original question was about avoiding transcoding, so I'm not entirely sure if the Ulead option really fits with your intent. The major thing we've run into for our use is that m2ts doesn't seem like an easy format to create outside of the Ulead software.

CDP

01-04-08, 01:17 PM

MozartMan

01-04-08, 01:30 PM

Hi,
I have been trying to make a BDMV with TsRemux and Nero burning ROM. But it wont play on my stand alone Blu-Ray Player. Can someone please give a step by step instruction for burning Blu- Ray DVD, Please!! I do OK with the TsRemus part, But when I get to trying to burn it will only play on my computer Sony BWU-100A. Please give detailed instructions for NERO Burning.
I choose Blu-Ray then UDF 2.5, do I choose physical or Virutal Partition?

CDP

I always choose UDF 2.5 Physical Partition

Now question to you:

What version of TSRemux do you use?

The issue may be:

If you use TSRemux version before 0.18 with MPEG-2 video and try to burn BDMV folder to DVD-R/RW it will not play on PS3 and other stand alone.
This is because BD specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD 5/9, only AVCHD video files.

But version 0.18 and now 0.19 puts AVCHD disk tag in those two .hdmv files inside BDMV folder, so it fools PS3 and other (I think) standalone players, so they think it is AVCHD disk on DVD 5/9 with AVCHD video.

CDP

01-04-08, 01:39 PM

Mozart man
Are you from Michigan? I see Hockey Town by your Name. I am from Michigan.

CDP

MozartMan

01-04-08, 01:44 PM

Mozart man
Are you from Michigan? I see Hockey Town by your Name. I am from Michigan.

CDP

Yeah. Metro Detroit.
Go Wings!

CDP

01-04-08, 02:01 PM

Mozart Man,
I am in Clarkston, sent you a PM. Repy so we can talk.

CDP

CDP

01-04-08, 03:09 PM

Mozart Man,
[I always choose UDF 2.5 Physical Partition

Now question to you:

What version of TSRemux do you use?

The issue may be:

If you use TSRemux version before 0.18 with MPEG-2 video and try to burn BDMV folder to DVD-R/RW it will not play on PS3 and other stand alone.
This is because BD specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD 5/9, only AVCHD video files.

But version 0.18 and now 0.19 puts AVCHD disk tag in those two .hdmv files inside BDMV folder, so it fools PS3 and other (I think) standalone players, so they think it is AVCHD disk on DVD 5/9 with AVCHD video.]
I am burning to BD-RE. What is DVD 5/9?

CDP

billiam

01-04-08, 05:40 PM

I am burning to BD-RE. What is DVD 5/9? CDP

Single layer DVD-/+R = DVD5
Dual layer DVD-/+R = DVD9

sicbomb

01-04-08, 07:27 PM

I stipped the HD DVD EVO files of Transformers and got video and audio elementary streams. Currently I am using eac3to to convert the eac3 to DTS so I can author it onto a Blu-Ray. Does anyone know what delay I should use in eac3to?

Thanks in advance

Nathan_R

01-05-08, 11:59 AM

I tried this using Nero and making sure UDF 2.50 was selected but my player (Panasonic BD30) doesn't play it. It seems to go in a loop. it keeps trying to read the disc but nothing happens. Obviously I tried this several times with different discs and source files.

Is anyone else still having this problem-- specifically with the Panny BD30?

Every BDMV disc I've made via TSRemux burnt to Nero at UDF2.5 results in a loop that doesn't play on my BD30. I've tried six different .TS-sourced recordings and every one of them has failed to do anything other than loop in my Panny.

I updated my Panny to 1.3. TSRemux is the xxx.19 version. My Nero 7 install is fully updated and I purchased the HD plugin pack just in case.

Am I missing something obvious?

Chefkoch81

01-05-08, 04:15 PM

Hi!

I´m new to Blu Ray authoring. I´m coming from the HD-DVD side.

There I was able to create HD-DVD9/DVDx3 with
- h264 video in 1440x1080 or 1920x1080
- 2 languages in DD5.1
- 2 subtitle tracks

Source HD satellite transmissions or HDV homemade movies both reencoded with x264.

Authoring done with Scenarist SCA. I choose HD-DVD because these DVDx3 work on every HD-DVD player.

As HD-DVD maybe dead because of the Warner Deal, with which method can I achive best compability on both PS3 but most importantly standalones players? The features I stated above are "must".

I prefer usage of Dual Layer DVD media but maybe in soon future BD-R/RE will also be okay.

Hope somebody will give me an advice. As far as I read this thread, best will be BDMV with Scenarist and BD-R, or not?

best regards

davidc78

01-05-08, 08:05 PM

Hi Guys

Just wondering im having problems with my Lg GGW H20W AND used to have same problems with LG ggw h10n burner as well

burning 25gb and 50gb on RE discs they quote 2x and in Nero 8 or Nero 7 says burning at 2x 8990kbs but really its 1X

I had a pioneer bdr 202 and it used to burn 2x on re no dramas with same software and pc/s used

Im really stuffed for ideas as to what it can be ive changed sata calbes around and still no go

Ive used imgburn and still the highest on tdk 25 and 50 gb re media the highest is 0.9 x

hoping someone can help

thanks again

David

davidc78

01-05-08, 08:18 PM

Hi There thanks for the info

is that to work on bd/re discs not just bdr also where abouts in the options is that?

thanks again

any tips for nero 7 or 8?

Dave

davidc78

01-05-08, 09:01 PM

Benes thank you

burning now at 2x thank you

to make it compliant with ps3 as ive always used nero for udf 2.50 is there any other settings i should have clicked on?

im in build mode and burning the bdmv folder just like i do in nero 7 or 8

thanks again for your help

sicbomb

01-06-08, 12:27 AM

survivant00

01-06-08, 11:32 AM

I'm trying my for test with Scenarist HDMV h264+ac3 but I got a error when muxing.

MUX_SN_E_TS_UNDERFLOW_ERR

not been able to find help for that error.

I know that the h264 file is reconized in Encore CS3, and doesn't need to be trancoded for bluray output. (the 264 file was created with x264669i_puldown with this command line
x264.exe --pass 2 --bitrate 7200 --stats ".stats" --progress --keyint 300 --bframes 3 --qpmin 7 --qpmax 51 --no-psnr --mixed-refs --trellis 1 --ref 3 --filter 0,0 --subme 6 --direct auto --vbv-bufsize 14745 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --me dia --no-ssim --level 4.1 --weightb --b-rdo --bime --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output "movie.264" "movie.avs"
)

someone know what to do ?

alluringreality

01-06-08, 07:50 PM

in BDMV mode does the Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack only support MPEG 2 streams output, or will it include MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, as long as I give it proper files?

I tested the software with our H264 and ac3 m2ts files and it appears to do no transcoding with either AVCHD or BDMV. Like previously commented, we haven't found many options for creating the H264 m2ts format from other sources aside from the Ulead transcoding option.

davidc78

01-07-08, 03:46 AM

Greetings Peoples im back with a real strange thing thats has happened and maybe needs soe guidence

i have Die Hard 4 ripped with anydvd hd 6.3.0.0 and i play it off my hard drive via power dvd ultra with no glitches of kind being bd+ off hd i feel very lucky it works no problems

I then tried to back up as i love a challenge i used nero image recorder to make a udf 2.5 compliant iso image and img burn to burn it

When played in ps3 ( i just converted the bdmv folder only ) it plays but at begining it asks for a firmware update but my pal ps3 is up to date at 2.10 firmware

the picture is all blocky etc when playback happens

Just wondering if ive done something wrong in the process im burning it onto 50gb dl media so all good for space just wondering any thoughts ?

thanks again for your tips and help

Dave

davidc78

01-07-08, 05:48 AM

ahh ok cool point taken i thought that anydvd hd had bypassed it and it would just be a matter of that im a noob then when it comes to this

I think from that reply i should be happy with being able to play it from my home cinema pc with no glitches for now and wait to hear something from slysoft although from what i read it might take a little while as sony will patch up in next release and so on and so on

thanks again you have been great with your knowledge

davidc78

01-07-08, 05:54 AM

Hi Benes

You are a wealth of knowledge forgive me if this sounds like a silly question as really i love fiddling around with streams etc off hard drive

the bd+ bdmv folder is a little different to non bd+ structure as the whole movie is 1 file in non bd+ films as to bd+ streams are all diffeent sizes etc

is there any such program which could be used to rebuild such as ts remux to make something that is then burnable via udf 2.5 etc?

Might sound silly but just a idea as ive used ts remux on non bd+ films to strip away menus etc and spotting the movie stream was very simple being like 12-20gb etc bd+ streams though are made up of all different gigabyte sizes

I like the challenge do you think im on the right page? i have dvdit pro but havent used it too much

thanks again really appreciate it

David

davidc78

01-07-08, 05:59 AM

sorry like a stream joiner i maybe talking crap but if i could join all the streams up then us ts remux then it might work?

thanks again

davidc78

01-07-08, 06:01 AM

sorry it was simpsons movie not die hard that the streams were all over the place in folder sorry my bad

hwjohn

01-07-08, 10:57 AM

x264 is NOT the same as H264. Scenarist will never accept such an encode. It is far outside the official H264 specification.

We are trying to get an H264 stream encoded that Ulead DVD factory will accept for AVS HD (free cal disk). Ulead won't accept an x264 encoded stream, but I'm not sure that I have all the settings in x264 correct.

Can you elaborate on why x264 does not produce a compliant H264 stream? Are you aware of any free encoders that will produce a compliant stream to say, profile 4.1?

maxleung

01-07-08, 11:18 AM

hwjohn, I believe the doom9.org forums talks about making compliant streams for x264 encoded video.

However, I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264. Although that may not work if Ulead does undesirable things to the video (ie. applies filters, fiddles with video levels, applies DNR, etc.).

The important thing to remember: x264 is NOT h264. x264 is the name of a piece of software that encodes video into an mpeg4 stream. The stream it outputs is not necessarily compliant with any particular standard. Tweaking needs to be made to parameters to make it acceptable by h264 decoders.

Good luck.

alluringreality

01-07-08, 03:35 PM

I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264.

Ulead can transcode mpeg2 to H264, but we can't go to 24p with the Ulead software.

survivant00

01-07-08, 06:00 PM

x264 is NOT the same as H264. Scenarist will never accept such an encode. It is far outside the official H264 specification.

I know x264 is not H264. but your response didn't help at all.

and Yes movies encoded with x264 will work on scenarist.. but you have to use a special build. x26x build 699i_pulldown.

and you need theses options : --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1

and have a 23.976p source.

we are able to authorize movie in scenarist.. but sometimes we get the previous error. Trying to figure how to fix it.

Brajesh

01-07-08, 08:11 PM

MozartMan

01-07-08, 08:36 PM

fatherom

01-07-08, 09:18 PM

Hope someone can help. Have a bunch of 1080i MPEG2-TS files that I used TSRemux v0.0.19 to generate either an M2TS file or Blu-ray. When burned to a DVD SL or DL, the standalone M2TS plays fine, but the Blu-ray [recognized as AVCHD by the PS3] video stutters w/no audio. Why? It's the same M2TS file in both, except one by itself in a VIDEO folder on a DVD-R and another as a Blu-ray output from TSRemux. What am I doing wrong?

What firmware do you have on your PS3?

I have the same issue. 1080i MPEG-TS file. I ran it through TSRemux and got the blu-ray directory structure. Burned it on a DVD-R single layer using UDF 2.6. When I put it in the PS3, the video plays very slow motion like, stuttery, and there's no audio.

I have 2.10 firmware on my PS3.

Chris

MozartMan

01-07-08, 09:23 PM

Are you burning both BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders do DVD, or just BDMV?
Also, you don't need UDF 2.6, BD specs is UDF 2.5

After TSRemux I use Nero DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation, with UDF 2.5 physical partision to burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders on DVD.
And I don't remember that I had this problem.
I had similar problem with .TS files with earlier firmware when I was trying to play some TS files from XMB.

Brajesh

01-08-08, 08:00 AM

PS3 firmware 2.10. Burning both BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders do DVD. Using Nero, I 'choose recorder' and set the drive to physical type (choosing 'automatic' or 'DVD-ROM' makes no difference to the stutter issue), then choose DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation w/UDF 2.50 and 'physical' partition, then burn to DVD. I've tried -R, +R and +RW and I get stutter w/all. The TS files I have are either 1920x1080i or 1440x1080i, with bitrate ranging from 10-18mbps.

What's funny is if I take the M2TS file out of the TSRemux generated 'stream' folder and simply plop it onto a DVD, the PS3 plays it back just fine. No stutter and proper 5.1 audio. It would be nice to use TSRemux to generate an AVCHD disc so the PS3 auto-plays it and I get chapter markers every 5 mins.

fatherom

01-08-08, 08:50 AM

MozartMan

01-08-08, 08:58 AM

Brajesh, fatherom,

Is it possible that I can get those problem .TS files from you somehow, so I can test it on my PS3?

Brajesh

01-08-08, 09:03 AM

Thanks for the offer. I'll post a 2 minute clip this evening when I get home via Rapidshare or another free hosting site and PM you.

I've tried several of my TS files and they all end up w/the stutter, so I'm guessing somewhere between TSRemux and Nero is where there's an issue.

I actually prefer authoring HD DVDs (easier & w/Ulead, you can create professional-looking pop-up menus), but with the format dying, wanted to switch to Blu-ray.

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 09:31 AM

Me too, I think HDDVD authoring is WAY easier and more reliable than BD at this point. I am so sick and tired of my PS3 throwing up error messages and playing stuttery HD videos.
With the picture quality being the same between the two formats, it's a shame we are being forced down our throat the lot more expensive solution for our home HD video needs. Thank you Sony and Holly for taking thousands of dollars from our pockets, for the money is going to rot if it stays in our pockets.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 09:41 AM

Me too, I think HDDVD authoring is WAY easier and more reliable than BD at this point.
What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?

I am so sick and tired of my PS3 throwing up error messages and playing stuttery HD videos.
Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

hwjohn

01-08-08, 10:31 AM

hwjohn, I believe the doom9.org forums talks about making compliant streams for x264 encoded video.

Do you have any links? doom9 is my next stop. I thought that x264 always output an H264 compliant stream. I don't understand why it doesn't, what good is an encode that can't be decoded?

However, I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264. Although that may not work if Ulead does undesirable things to the video (ie. applies filters, fiddles with video levels, applies DNR, etc.).

I wish. We use an AVIsynth script to basically create the video from still frames, so feeding Ulead an AVIsynth script and letting it encode would be ideal. Of course, they didn't see the need for that:) To their credit, the Ulead software is relatively cheap (big thanks to alluringreality for buying it).

The important thing to remember: x264 is NOT h264. x264 is the name of a piece of software that encodes video into an mpeg4 stream. The stream it outputs is not necessarily compliant with any particular standard. Tweaking needs to be made to parameters to make it acceptable by h264 decoders.

Glad I know that now. That sucks.

Good luck.

We will probably need it :)

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 10:34 AM

What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?

Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

I am talking about the HD authoring not burning here.
I am assuming most people on this board want to make HD home vidoes not the two hour HD feature films.
For the purpose of making a short 40min film with all the menus like a commercial HDDVD or BD, HDDVD authoring on a DVD9 meets all the objectives with minimal cost. There is every reason to believe that burning the same content onto the HDDVD disk would also be workable process.
The thing that bothers me is that BD authoring is now a $$$$ option. I just think it should offer the average home video enthusiast a $40 option and $4000 option, depending on how fancy he wants to go.
Right now if I want to make 40min HD home video with all the menus for a total investment of less than $50 and less than $2 a disk, BD simply does not give any choice.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 11:32 AM

I am talking about the HD authoring not burning here.
I am assuming most people on this board want to make HD home vidoes not the two hour HD feature films.
For the purpose of making a short 40min film with all the menus like a commercial HDDVD or BD, HDDVD authoring on a DVD9 meets all the objectives with minimal cost. There is every reason to believe that burning the same content onto the HDDVD disk would also be workable process.
The thing that bothers me is that BD authoring is now a $$$$ option. I just think it should offer the average home video enthusiast a $40 option and $4000 option, depending on how fancy he wants to go.
Right now if I want to make 40min HD home video with all the menus for a total investment of less than $50 and less than $2 a disk, BD simply does not give any choice.

Here is quote from another forum;
For the longest time I was an avid HD DVD format supporter for one reason alone: I could make HD discs on regular DVD+-Rs. All the while I also had a Playstation 3 so I had a foot in the Blu-ray camp as well.

Anyway, the release of the AVCHD format shot down my number one reason for preferring HD DVD. Now I can make content for either format at HDV resolutions.

Now, as I look at my PS3 and compare it to my Toshiba HD DVD player I find the following:

My HD DVD player can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
2. It can play commercial HD DVD discs at beautiful HD resolution.
3. It can uprez my own non-macrovision protected DVDs.
4. It can play commercial DVDs as well as any $30 Chinese DVD player.

On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
2. It can play commercial Blu-ray discs at beautiful HD resolution.
3. It can uprez ALL my DVDs, macrovision protected or not.
4. It can play back AVCHD discs of raw footage from my CX-7 camcorder.
5. It can play back DivX files at up to 1080p resolutions.
6. It can play back both HDV and AVCHD raw footage or renders.
7. It can play back music mp3s.
8. It can play back jpeg slideshows.
9. It can download and stream video off the Internet.
10. It can stream video from a server.
11. It can play video off thumb drives or external USB2 hard drives.
12. It can play video games.

Frankly, I have seen myself in the past few months go from "I hope HD DVD wins" to "I think there is room for both formats" to "Go Blu-ray!"

My only problem now is that I have two HD DVD players, a bunch of HD DVD movies, and an HD DVD drive in my new HP laptop...

I suppose I can take comfort in the fact that with the new Blu-ray spec, early Blu-ray adopters have to replace their players too.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=569113&Replies=91#569854

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 12:49 PM

alluringreality

01-08-08, 12:55 PM

Ulead Movie Factory 6+ with the plugin or Nero can do AVCHD which will play on most Blu-ray players from DVD. Some players like my BDP-S1 can also play BDMV from DVD. With BDMV you might not have to transcode mpeg2 video, but with the other options you'll almost certainly have to transcode. MF6+ can accept m2ts H264, but it's not an easy to create file format from our testing. The top link has an AVCHD created from MF6+ by transcoding.

fatherom

01-08-08, 02:50 PM

What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?

We're talking about authoring HD-DVD content on to red laser DVD media. There's a sticky at the top of the HD-DVD Software section that describes how to do it. Works great...but like Brajesh, I'd like to try my hands at blu-ray burning on red laser media.

Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

It's possible, but I've burned 50 HD-DVD movies from various transport streams (720P, 1080i, different audio, with glitches and without) and I've never had a problem playing them in either of my 2 HD-DVD players.

Chris

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 03:45 PM

If the recorded shows miss some time stamps in the stream they would have lipsync or stuttery problems. But VidoeRedo has a special feature to add all the missing time codes. Over 200 hours of HD TV shows I have on red laser disks there is not a single stutter.
PS3 seems to give me most difficulty. Samsung players play red laser disks just fine.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 04:02 PM

ilsiu

01-08-08, 04:28 PM

"On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
...."

If its true it is a big deal.
Over the last one and a half years I have seen many claims like that, only to be later disappointed to learn that others could not replicate the success.

If you don't mind can you publish the steps of this process so we all can test it.

I'd also be very interested in this. Has anyone described the process (and identified the software used) in authoring and burning HD content onto DVD +/- R for playback on a standalone BR player? Not looking for anything fancy, just something with simple menus like the ones in Ulead Movie Factory 6+.

alluringreality

01-08-08, 04:33 PM

Get the plug in http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

MozartMan

01-08-08, 04:58 PM

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

ilsiu

01-08-08, 08:16 PM

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

Thanks! I'm not too familiar with the software used in the tutorial so I'll have to study it a little bit.

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 08:45 PM

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

Thanks for the info.
But it didn't work me.
It doesn't talk about creating a menu for BD, which I assume it can't be done with this guide.
I try to follow this guide but TsRemux.exe won't even load most of the video files. For the ones that were loaded the end product didn't play on my PS3.
Well, just another one of those heresay reportings of how BD authoring would work.

TObject

01-08-08, 09:13 PM

Well, I got the Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 Plus today, the retail box. Alas, I couldn’t install it on my Windows 2003 computer.

The Ulead’s answer is that they don’t support Windows 2003. But this is simply a matter of their installation program incorrectly determining the DirectX version installed.

I was able to extract and modify the inx script to bypass the DirectX check; but I am not sure how to make the install accept my modified script. If anybody was successful installing the DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus under Windows 2003, let me know.

What a disappointment.

MozartMan and alluringreality thank you for your advice anyway.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 09:29 PM

Thanks for the info.
But it didn't work me.
It doesn't talk about creating a menu for BD, which I assume it can't be done with this guide.
I try to follow this guide but TsRemux.exe won't even load most of the video files. For the ones that were loaded the end product didn't play on my PS3.
Well, just another one of those heresay reportings of how BD authoring would work.

GodobeHD,

I am testing one .TS file that Brajesh sent me. I already see the problem with the file before even loading it into TSRemux. This is HD-Lite (1440x1080) MPEG-2, probably from Dish or DTV; cable, Comcast in my case, doesn't use HD-Lite. AC3 audio is 5.1, but sound coming only from the center speaker when I play the file with Media Player Classic or Nero ShowTime. I can say already that the problem is file itself. I ran file through MPEG2Repair, and I got text file with 900 lines of errors.

So, before you blame PS3 and Blu-ray, please test your files with available tools.

Here is some sections from the log file from MPEG2Repair:
====================
MPEG2Repair: F:\Temp\1440-2.ts

Sequence Frame 0(0-X) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
-----
Sequence Frame 17(16-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS Bits 32...30
Additional error(s) detected. Increase VerboseLogLevel in INI file for details.
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
FileInfo: Last video errors span 20 bytes at file offset 1111260
---------
Sequence Frame 48(22-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 164654
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 244518
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 3. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 298855
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 387022
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 436878
---------
VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 2095607
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 214090
--------------
Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 63.96 MB, Play Time: 00h:00m:45s
1440 x 1080, 29.97 fps (25.62 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (11.13 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 53.05 KB/Frame, 0.28 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -30.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
410 of 1161 video frames found with errors.
715 of 1416 audio frames found with errors.
7792 corrupted video bytes in file.
-30.779223 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log
=====================

GodobeHD

01-08-08, 09:42 PM

Mozart, after fixing the file did you author the file and play on PS3?
I have all kinds of programs, with Ulead MF and VS. I see many people reporting success but few procedures posted.
I myself was able to author a few BDMVs that played, going way back in 2006, but until the results are consistent with full motion menus, I wouldn't call it a success let alone put out a fool proof process.
Please people if you are convinced you got a winner here you need to put out a step by step guide, especially for red laser BD authoring.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 09:50 PM

Mozart, after fixing the file did you author the file and play on PS3?

After I ran that file through MPEG2Repair I tried to play that file on PC first.
Media Player Classic crashes, and Nero ShowTime doesn't play it at all.

Then I ran file through TSRemux and created just .M2TS file and then put it on USB jump drive into VIDEO folder and played it on PS3 using XMB.

PS3 plays video and audio, audio coming only from the center channel, other speakers are silent. Video is jerky, freezing sometimes.

I didn't even try to create BDMV structure with TSRemux.

Well, HD-Lite sucks.

All my TS files from cable are 1920x1080 and I can repair them if there are any problems.

MozartMan

01-08-08, 09:53 PM

^^ If that log is accurate you MUST repair the file. There is no way those timestamp gaps and other errors are gonna fly on any media. Maybe the HDDVD players were just being loose with the specs.
This is exactly the case.

1440x1080 rez should not be a problem though. It is supported by blu-ray.
Yes. I can author my home movies in HDV format 1440x1080i from my Sony HC1 camcorder with TSRemux, or Ulead DVD MF without any problem. I just have to re-encode audio into AC3 because BD specs don't allow MPEG audio from HDV.

ilsiu

01-09-08, 07:27 AM

Yes. I can author my home movies in HDV format 1440x1080i from my Sony HC1 camcorder with TSRemux, or Ulead DVD MF without any problem. I just have to re-encode audio into AC3 because BD specs don't allow MPEG audio from HDV.

Would you mind posting a step-by-step description of your workflow using Ulead MF? I'm looking to do something similar (but with a Canon HV20). Which players have you been able to play the final authored DVD with no issues?

Thanks!

Brajesh

01-09-08, 07:53 AM

fatherom

01-09-08, 08:59 AM

MozartMan, thanks for testing. If you can, please try the 1920x1080 sample I sent. That one I got from someone who already ran it through MPEG2Repair. The 1440x1080i sample I sent you was from Dish, but I had not repaired it yet. I guess HD DVD authoring is a lot more forgiving because it works on any MPEG2 TS. What's surprising is that several files that I have that show errors by MPEG2Repair play completely fine w/o any visible video or audio issues on actual playback as authored HD DVDs. Again, thanks for doing the test; I'll keep trying at my end.

Thanks for undertaking this...I'd really like to find out the results.

I know benes was saying that maybe HD-DVD is "loose" with the spec, but to be honest, I'd rather that. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think the HD-DVD home authoring ability is more forgiving, and it could be said the other way: the blu-ray home authoring ability is too "strict".

Again, not trying to start an argument, just want to know how to take my 50 TS files that I've made perfect HD-DVDs out of and make a blu-ray compatible disc that will play in the PS3 or other blu-ray player.

Chris

GodobeHD

01-09-08, 09:47 AM

Would you mind posting a step-by-step description of your workflow using Ulead MF? I'm looking to do something similar (but with a Canon HV20). Which players have you been able to play the final authored DVD with no issues?

Thanks!
Thanks for undertaking this...I'd really like to find out the results.

I know benes was saying that maybe HD-DVD is "loose" with the spec, but to be honest, I'd rather that. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think the HD-DVD home authoring ability is more forgiving, and it could be said the other way: the blu-ray home authoring ability is too "strict".

Again, not trying to start an argument, just want to know how to take my 50 TS files that I've made perfect HD-DVDs out of and make a blu-ray compatible disc that will play in the PS3 or other blu-ray player.

Chris

I would like to echo the above sentiments by urging some gurus here to post their consistently working procedures. Since everybody here has Ulead MF5 or 6 Plus and its fairly cheap ($50 I think), and all of us have plenty of red laser DVDs to test, why don't we have a GUIDE based on Ulead, preferably with the red laser option. Announcing success with a $5000 software is really not going to help us.

Get real. This whole thread is full of people who are authoring Blu-ray. If you can't put a little time and *money* into it I'm not sure what you expect. If you can't figure out how to use free tools then buy Ulead.
Also comments like this is not particularly helpful either.

Nathan_R

01-09-08, 10:11 AM

This is so frustrating. I have yet to author a BDMV or BDAV that plays properly on my Panny BD30. I've used just about every tool and guide posted on this thread and elsewhere on the web and have had experiences nowhere near what some people are reporting. I've patched and patched and patched and all my source files are Comcast-sourced valid and errorfree TS files. Hell, I even dedicated an HP DL380 in my server room to BD authoring to make sure my hardware isn't the problem.

The only problem-free BD disc I've ever made was a BDAV with PowerProducer 3.7 on a Panny BD10, listed on the first page of this thread many, many months ago. Nothing seems to work on my Panny BD30. I've tried PowerProducer 3.7 and 4.0, Nero 7, Nero Vision 4, TSRemux .19, MovieFactory 6+, ImgBurn, VideoRedo Plus, HDPatch, and a few other things mentioned and I can't get any combination mentioned in these 31 pages to create something valid. Meanwhile my HD DVD-on-DVD discs work just dandy. Argh. :(

MozartMan

01-09-08, 10:18 AM

Nathan_R,

It's probably time to call Panasonic and bitch about that.

When Sony released BDP-S300 it didn't play BDMV. Later they updated firmware enabling playback of BDMV on BD-R/RE.

When I bought PS3 last February it didn't play AVCHD or MPEG-2 .M2TS files. Later Sony updated firmware in it works great now.

Nathan_R

01-09-08, 10:49 AM

I take that back. The BDAV I made with PowerProducer 3.7 at the beginning of this thread also plays on my BD30.

Someone chimed in on the BD30 thread that she authored a BDMV that plays on her Panny, so it must be something I'm doing.

The only variable I haven't changed is my media. Are the Sony 25GB BD-REs crappy? Should I switch to anther brand? I'd prefer to stick with BD-RE if possible, as I'd be a champ at making $9 BD-R coasters by now.

alluringreality

01-09-08, 11:51 AM

I would like to echo the above sentiments by urging some gurus here to post their consistently working procedures. Since everybody here has Ulead MF5 or 6 Plus and its fairly cheap ($50 I think), and all of us have plenty of red laser DVDs to test, why don't we have a GUIDE based on Ulead, preferably with the red laser option. Announcing success with a $5000 software is really not going to help us.

In short to answer why not, I don't think too many people are using the Ulead software for Blu-ray. The reason is probably that you have to buy the software to try it for creating AVCHD or BDMV. On both of the Ulead programs the Blu-ray options are not part of the trial software.

If Media Factory 6+ with the plugin software http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm needs a guide, I don't know. It works for our application and there's a manual http://www.corel.com/content/pdf/dvdmf6/DMF6_HDPack_BDMV_AVCHD_HDDVDAdv.pdf Videostudio 11+ will also probably work http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1193331933308 The BDMV option seems to be rather similar to the way of creating a HD DVD with MF6+, and the bonus is that you can probably put H264 on disk. While my player will play BDMV burned with UDF 2.5, the problem is that not every player can use BDMV from DVD. For the PS3 to use menus from the Ulead software, you'll have to use AVCHD and transcode to H264.

Nero is another option. The trial version can be used to create AVCHD. The reports I've read say that it always transcodes even if you give it a compliant file. Ulead will not transcode if you give it a compliant file, but unless you're working with BDMV and mpeg2 though it might be easier to just let the program transcode.

If you want to use tsremux to create disks without menus, http://www.redkawa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=881 is probably the best information I've seen. That's still a bit above my technical level because I really don't care to try to learn what all the x264 switches are about to do 1080p/24 video. The bonus is that the information there might be able to supply compliant files for the Ulead software to use, but I haven't tried using the special build of x264 mentioned. Sony Vegas in their support forums is reported to be able to supply the Ulead software with compliant m2ts files, but using the Sony trial software I have been unable to confirm that.

Out of all the searching I've done for creating our calibration disk, the above contains the most seemingly useful information I've found. If you'd like there to be a guide, why not learn some more, find out how to do what you want to do, and write it yourself?

latreche34

01-09-08, 04:26 PM

I tried TSRemux from the 1 min video file bellow burned it on DVD+R DL but my PS3 was unable to read it, error message "The video cannot be played (8002994)" I have already the latest PS3 firmware:

File Name: War Of The Worlds.ts
File Size: 114229176 ( 0.11 GB )
Program Duration: 00:00:59.28
File Type: TS Stream
Encoding: MPEG 2
Video stream Id: 17 (x11)
Encoding Dimensions: 1920 x 1080
Display Size: 1920 x 1080
Aspect Ratio: 16/9
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS
Bit Rate: 18.000 Mbps
VBV_Buffer: 976 KB
Profile: Main/High
Progressive: Prog or Int
Chroma: 4:2:0
Audio Format: 5.1
Audio Stream Id: AC3: 20 (x14)
Audio Bit Rate: 384 Kbps
Audio Sampling Rate: 48000 Hz

Brajesh

01-09-08, 06:43 PM

MozartMan

01-09-08, 07:40 PM

Okay, success w/the PS3. Tried a TS from my Sony HDV camcorder at 1440x1080i that MPEG2Repair had showed zero errors for. The TSRemux-generated AVCHD structure played perfectly on my PS3 using a DVD+RW. In TSRemux, I only selected the video [unchecked audio] as I didn't want to bother converting the MPEG audio to AC3 for now.
Brajesh,

In case you didn’t know, if you have Sony HDV camcorder, you don’t even need TSRemux. PS3 will play raw or edited .M2T file with MPEG-audio from any media, Memory Stick, USB jump drive, external USB hard disk drive, DVD-R/RW via XMB.
My conclusion is pretty much what fatherom speculated...the PS3 is very strict and expects completely error-free files. Technically error-free that is, not necessarily issues you would see on actual playback. But, the PS3 is more forgiving if you simply use TSRemux to generate a M2TS file burned on a DVD for playback via the XMB. I think I'll continue to author HD DVDs and use my HD-A35 for playback. I plan on keeping my player even if HD DVD completely dies, which will likely happen. Later, when real BD is affordable, I'll use EVODemux or similar to migrate any recordings I want to BD.
I like both BD and HD DVD, but the latter definitely made homebrews on DVD media a snap. Oh well.
I found this dmz (creator of TSRemux) post on Doom9 forum:
There are two types of MPEG2 standard containers - program streams and transport streams. Here's somewhat not accurate but close enough comparison:

Program Streams usually contain a single program. They're used by DVDs and HD-DVDs. They're made up of variable sized packets.

Transport Streams can contain multiple programs. They're used by Blu-Ray, D-VHS, HD Camcorders, Cable, Satellite, Over-the-air TV. They're made up of fixed sized packets.
So, as far as I understand, when you author to mini-HD-DVD (or 3xDVD by official term), your authoring program converts you .TS (transport stream) files into program stream files somewhere in the process. May be that’s why HD DVD looks “more loose” or “more forgiving” on specs than BD.

Regarding those files that you sent me. I was testing that 1920x108_sample.ts file. MPEG2Repair crashes when I try to run it and log file shows similar errors that from the 1440x1080_sample.ts. So both files have errors and I have to think what else can be done. But generally, TS files from Dish and DTV is the main problem.

Brajesh

01-09-08, 08:26 PM

Appreciate your help MozartMan. Thanks. As with DVD, home authoring for BD will advance quickly and become easier. So I hope.

alluringreality

01-09-08, 09:15 PM

Ulead does not need a guide. It is probably the easiest to use authoring program I have ever seen for ANY format.

I agree that the Ulead software specifically doesn't necessarily need a guide, but one thing nice about the HD DVD sticky is that right there on the first post with a minimum of reading someone can see that yes there's software that's reasonably priced and can be used to create HD on DVD.

GodobeHD

01-09-08, 10:58 PM

GodobeHD:

Ulead does not need a guide. It is probably the easiest to use authoring program I have ever seen for ANY format. It guides you through every step. If someone can't use this program I question if they should be making discs in the first place. I don't mean to sound elitist or rude here. I'm just being honest.

If there are any *specific* issues you are having then I'm sure someone here can offer help. You are just saying that it "doesn't work". Its hard to troubleshoot that. I think the issues for most people come *before* the authoring and that is with getting the video and audio in the proper format. Its hard to write a guide for that since there are so many different sources of HD. But many folks here have been importing video from cameras and from HDTV so they can help. Most of use here are just home users figuring this out as we go.

I only used Ulead once so here is the one tip I can give you. In the options make sure you check "Do not convert compliant MPEG files". If it still ends up re-encoding your video then well we know what the problem is. Your video is not compliant. Try repairing it with MPEG2Repair and/or VideoReDo. If it still doesn't work then lets look at the details of the video and go from there.

The program only has settings for BD25 and BD50. To make a BD-9 all you have to do is keep your project under that size limit on your own. Nothing more to it. Keep in mind though that the PS3 will not play BD-9 (BD-9 = blu-ray format on a regular DVD). PS3 only supports AVCHD on a regular DVD. But I don't believe Ulead will let you put MPEG-2 in AVCHD format. Thats where TSRemux comes in.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that TSRemux is a FREE tool just created by some guy on doom9. I don't think he even intended it to be used for serious authoring to real discs. Its not perfect and it is super slow. Also keep in mind that it will NOT check video for compliancy. It will put almost anything into a AVCHD container. So if you are unsure as to whether your video is compliant or not then this is not the place to start. First lets get Ulead to accept the video, then lets bring it into TSRemux.

Also comments like this are not particularly helpful either. Especially since people have been authoring BDs for almost 2 years now. Just because its not working for YOU doesn't mean you need to vilify the whole format.

I guess I will just ask a simple question:
With Ulead, Can you create a BD disk with menu(on blue laser or red laser media) that will play on PS3s?
Yes or No?
If yes I would like to know what I am doing wrong; if no then BD authoring still has long way to go, because there is no point in authoring a BD disk if it can't play in ALL players especially PS3s.

MozartMan

01-09-08, 11:05 PM

I guess I will just ask a simple question:
With Ulead, Can you create a BD disk with menu(on blue laser or red laser media) that will play on PS3s?
Yes or No?
If yes I would like to know what I am doing wrong; if no then BD authoring still has long way to go, because there is no point in authoring a BD disk if it can't play in ALL players especially PS3s.

Yes, you can.

Can you give more details what kind of problem are you having?

latreche34

01-10-08, 05:15 AM

Do you happen to have Ulead? I can offer the same advice I did to godobe. Import the video into Ulead and check to see whether it is actually compliant or not. If its not then that is the problem. TSRemux does not check for compliancy. You can use MPEG2Repair or VideoReDo to fix MPEG2 files.

I'm actually a little surprised to see so many issues with broadcast caps. I've made many discs from broadcast/cable/satellite MPEG2 with Scenarist and they work perfectly. And Scenarist is absolutely NOT forgiving of errors. It must be 110% compliant with the Blu-ray spec before Scenarist will even *look* at the video.

If you or GodobeHD want to send me a sample I'll be happy to take and look at them. And see what Scenarist makes of them too.

Thank you Benes for the help here is the same sample that I've testing with TSRemux:

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/35652/War-Of-The-Worlds-ts.html

ilsiu

01-10-08, 08:04 AM

Guys how about we start a new cleaned up thread with all of the guides and important information at the top? It does seem kind of silly to point people here when the first few pages are filled with more questions that answers. Someone can write a simple guide for Ulead and TSRemux. Including important steps like using UDF2.5. And we can use my Scenarist guide.

Anyone agree?

Sounds like a great idea - I'll start asking questions there once you start the new thread :)

ilsiu

01-10-08, 09:12 AM

Here's a link from the Tivo community forums that appears to be a simple guide to creating 3xDVD and BD9 discs. The author states that the BD9 discs are playable on a limited number of players. It has instructions for both MF6+ and Nero as the authoring software with the caveat that there will be some quality loss because the MPEG2 must be re-encoded into MPEG4-AVC.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324

Another note - I skimmed through the thread and most of the participants are backing up to 3xDVD; not very much feedback on BD9.

Since I don't have a Blu-ray player yet, would anybody here be able to test this out and give a report? It would be good to know the player(s) you've had success with and the media type (e.g. Verbatim DVD+R DL).

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 10:43 AM

I have my Blu-Ray folders authored. I tried burning a data disk with UDF2.5 onto DVD5 media. If I navigate to it, the .m2ts file inside the STREAM folder plays on the PS3, but it's not being recognized as a compliant BDMV disk with chapters, menus etc.

What needs to happen?

MozartMan

01-10-08, 10:47 AM

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 10:48 AM

Red laser - Sort of. This is where it gets complicated. PS3 does not support Blu-ray format on a regular DVD. It only supports AVCHD on a regular DVD. Since you are using MPEG2 video Ulead cannot help here because it will re-encode the video to AVC.

Looks like benes answered my question. But this is hard to swallow. 100% certain, no red laser mpeg2 BDMV playback on PS3? (sobbing...)

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 10:49 AM

What did you use for authoring? What video codec, MPEG-2 or AVCHD?

I used ULEAD MF6+ with HD pack, mpeg2, BDMV. Thanks btw...

alluringreality

01-10-08, 01:07 PM

You can use the AVCHD option and allow the program to transcode. That will give you menus with the PS3 on DVD. The downside is that you have to wait for it to transcode and I don't think the Ulead software does 24p if that's preferable for your application. The upside is that more HD video can fit on DVD because of the higher compression format.

It is possible to pre-transcode before the disk-build process using the export option, and you can also reimport m2ts off an AVCHD disk. Most people won't find that very useful, but the point is that if you can supply the program with a compliant m2ts H264 file it will not re-transcode when you go to disk (the same as it can do with BDMV). The problem is that there are few cheap ways (none that I have confirmed work) to create that format outside of the Ulead software. The best lead I have seems to be http://www.redkawa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=881 and the tsremux information, which appear to indicate that a special build of x264, muxing with xmuxer, and using tsremux to go to m2ts might work, but I cannot confirm that would work. There have been reports that Sony Vegas 8 Pro can do compliant H264 m2ts, but it might require video straight off a camera because I couldn't get the Sony trial to do the render to Blu-ray for some reason. Most other leads I've ran across seem to involve software costing over $200.

At some point I suppose it's possible that Ulead might change their software to work like the software that tsremux used for their AVCHD support. I think it's been reported that tsremux can do mpeg2, and I think tsremux took their AVCHD support from maybe Nero. Based on the tsremux development comment I read, it might be possible that Nero will do mpeg2 AVCHD. You can check out Nero AVCHD in their trial. There is an option for it to avoid transcoding compliant files, but it transcoded the files I tried using. You could try using the BDMV m2ts file off of your BDMV and using them in Nero. I never tried feeding Nero an m2ts, so I don't know if Nero might actually not transcode like the setting would indicate it should do.

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 01:41 PM

This is where TSRemux comes in. It allows you to make AVCHD discs even with MPEG2 video. However TSRemux doesn't do menus. As the name suggests its just a simple muxing tool.

TSRemux will re-encode MPEG2 to AVCHD? Or just put it inside a wrapper? I'd be very happy without the menus if MPEG2 could go inside the AVCHD wrapper, creating a menu-less BDMV red laser disk to break the 2gb filesize limitation for PS3. Possible?

MozartMan

01-10-08, 01:59 PM

TSRemux will re-encode MPEG2 to AVCHD? Or just put it inside a wrapper? I'd be very happy without the menus if MPEG2 could go inside the AVCHD wrapper, creating a menu-less BDMV red laser disk to break the 2gb filesize limitation for PS3. Possible?

TSremux will just put it inside a wrapper without re-encoding.

1. You load MPEG-2 .TS file into TSRemux
2. Check audio and video streams check boxes.
3. Select Blu-ray option radio button
4. Select folder on your hard drive
5. Select chapter interval
6. Run

TSRemux will create BDMV and CERTIFICATES folders in your selected folder.
What TSRemux does is modifies two xxxxx.hdmv files inside BDMV folder to look like AVCHD disk with video encoded with AVCHD codec. This tricks PS3 and should trick other BD players.

Nero:

1. Select DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation
2. Type whatever label you want
3. On UDF tab select Manual settings-Physical partition-UDF 2.50
4. Drag BDMV and CERTIFICATES folders into your compilation window
5. Burn on DVDV-R/RW, +R/RW, DL

Also if your MPEG-2 files from broadcast capture has video or audio glitches, you may have playback problems on PS3.
Also, latest TSRemux version 0.19 may have audio remuxing bug and cannot load MPEG-2 program files (bug). I had problem yesterday. I tried previous 0.18 and it played ok on PS3.
Also, this method doesn't have 2gb file size limitation for PS3.

I was using this method with TSRemux before I bought Ulead DVD Movie Factory with HD pack.

Schlotkins

01-10-08, 06:10 PM

Man, I must have the worst TS-MPEG2 files ever. I tried the TSremux way - even after trying to repair the streams and the PS3 couldn't play the file. I then just tried to have Nero reencode - same issue. The weird part is they play fine either using my Fusion software, VLC player or MyHD. It's almost like there's a bug in the PS3 decoder or the error correction isn't very good or something.

Chris

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 06:17 PM

I may have missed this but does BDAV format on a DVD not work in PS3 either?

Ulead would not let me burn BDAV on red laser media, but I will try tonite using it to create the folders, and Nero to burn it.

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 06:30 PM

MozartMan,

You are right about TSRemux 0.19 having the mpeg loading bug. I found version 0.18 and switched to that. I checked the checkboxes for both streams, audio and video. It authors the folders, and creates 00001.m2ts in the STREAM folder. The file plays in VLC but without the audio.

What I'm wondering about, would it be viable to replace 00001.m2ts with the file Ulead MF6+ authored, because it manages to maintain the audio with the video? That way I would still have the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files authored with the AVCHD "trick" from TSRemux to fool the PS3 into allowing it to play.

alluringreality

01-10-08, 06:48 PM

What I'm wondering about, would it be viable to replace 00001.m2ts with the file Ulead MF6+ authored, because it manages to maintain the audio with the video?

.m2ts replacing can work. Actually that's what people were doing before tsremux added AVCHD. One thing I ran into with m2ts replacing involving MF6+ was that chaper skipping could mess up playback, but I don't remember exactly what I was doing when I ruled out considering that for our application. I needed menus and tsremux wasn't an option for that reason, so it's quite likely it might work for your application.

EDIT: Also in your discussion at http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=111598 Vegas Pro 8 has a render as Blu-ray option. I can't seem to get it to work in the trial, but it should be able to be used to create compliant m2ts for putting video on AVCHD by reports from the Sony forum. I don't think the Vegas program can create a disk, but other programs like MF6+ are reported to be able to accept the Vegas output without any re-encoding.

30XS955 User

01-10-08, 07:15 PM

How do I author vobs to single-layer DVDs compatible in PS3 and other blu ray players?

alluringreality

01-10-08, 07:23 PM

Tsremux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/TsRemux) is reported to accept vobs.

30XS955 User

01-10-08, 07:30 PM

Tsremux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/TsRemux) is reported to accept vobs.

Does it encode to fit on a DVD-5?

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 07:38 PM

.m2ts replacing can work. Actually that's what people were doing before tsremux added AVCHD. One thing I ran into with m2ts replacing involving MF6+ was that chaper skipping could mess up playback, but I don't remember exactly what I was doing when I ruled out considering that for our application. I needed menus and tsremux wasn't an option for that reason, so it's quite likely it might work for your application.

EDIT: Also in your discussion at http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=111598 Vegas Pro 8 has a render as Blu-ray option. I can't seem to get it to work in the trial, but it should be able to be used to create compliant m2ts for putting video on AVCHD by reports from the Sony forum. I don't think the Vegas program can create a disk, but other programs like MF6+ are reported to be able to accept the Vegas output without any re-encoding.

I can't wait to try this. FWIW, m2t playback on the PS3 has not worked well for me if I use the fast forward or fast reverse buttons. It will freeze the playback, or start over at the beginning. I'm just mentioning that as a disclaimer that I could live with chapters or FF/FR freezing or not working on a BDMV authored using the TSREmux/MF6+ replacement trick, if it would just workaround the *$?&! 2GB file size limit, (argh!)

Vegas 8 would be an option but I think it's going to re-encode the video.

alluringreality

01-10-08, 07:46 PM

Does it encode to fit on a DVD-5?

Tsremux has nothing to do with encoding. It can only change compliant video and audio into the format used on Blu-ray players. If your video and audio is too big then the original file would have to be changed. I can't think of why you would have a vob except from sd, but for splitting HD movies into a size to fit on DVD there's a mention of a program in this http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/ If that works with a vob I don't know, but I figure there has to be a program that could do the same because there's a decent number of mpeg2 tools.

Brajesh

01-10-08, 08:11 PM

Can someone help me locate v0.0.18 of TSRemux? Thanks in advance.

MozartMan

01-10-08, 08:18 PM

Can someone help me locate v0.0.18 of TSRemux? Thanks in advance.

PM me with your email.

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 11:40 PM

Thanks to your help, MozartMan, benes, alluringreality, Brajesh and others, I was way more successful than I expected.

Basically, what I was able to do was take native MPEG2.ts from an HDV 1440x1080i60 camcorder, put 5.1 AC3 audio on it, author it to BDMV without re-encoding the video, burn it to a DVD+RW disk, and play it back on the PS3.

The surprise is how perfectly the disk plays. There are no menus, but it does have chapter stops every 1 minute (that work), and it fast forwards/reverses perfectly. There's no stutter, and the audio is in sync.

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, export to MPEG program stream with 5.1 audio. No re-encoding of video.
4.) Use Womble format converter to transcode it back to transport stream. No re-encoding of audio or video.
5.) Author it to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack.
6.) Using 0.18 TSRemux, author it to separate BDMV folders using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source.
7.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
8.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
9.) Burn it on red laser DVD with UDF2.5. I used Ulead for this as well.
10.) Perfect! (So far)

Now I want to try the same workflow on a longer video, burn it to different media and see if it still works. But this was progress.

If this all works, I'll have some crow for dinner, since I didn't believe it was possible.

Tom Roper

01-10-08, 11:43 PM

Here is a link to TSRemux 0.18
There is another workflow shown. I used the method above. It just depends on what tools you are working with.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

latreche34

01-11-08, 03:22 AM

OK as far as I can tell the video and audio are 100% compliant.

Next question (and I should have asked this before). How are you burning the disc? Are you using UDF2.5 format? And are you putting both the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder on the root level of the disc?

Also make sure you use the latest TSRemux 0.0.19. I had to UNCHECK the option for Bypass Audio Alignment in order for it to work in PowerDVD.

Yes Benes I put BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder on the root level of the disc, I use roxio 9 to burn as data disc it has 2 modes of burning: mode 1 and mode 2XA and 3 options for file system: ISO + Joliet, ISO + Joliet + UDF and ISO Level 2 So a total of 6 possibilities which I tried all of them.

latreche34

01-11-08, 04:55 AM

Does it say what version of UDF it is? It most likely is not UDF2.5. I'm pretty sure that is the error the PS3 is giving you. Try Nero. You can get a trial version from their site.

I downloaded nero 8 trial version it's worse than roxio there no option to set UDF not even an option to set open session or open disc, what kind of nero software are you using?

latreche34

01-11-08, 07:05 AM

I got it nero installs a bunch of applications on my computer I used one of them that I can set the UDF I don't know why its broked into diffrent burning data applications, anyway I got the disc to play on PS3 however it plays slow and broken frames with no sound.

Schlotkins

01-11-08, 07:19 AM

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Tom-

I'm not sure I follow this statement. I have some 1080i60 TS-MPEG files I recorded off my cable box and I am having a very difficult time getting them to work on my PS3. They worked on my HD-DVD player when I authored them and play fine on my PC based TS playback system. However, they studder at many spots when playing back on my PS3. So, I'm trying to figure out why and the only thing I can think of is errors in the stream that the PS3 isn't good at correcting.

Thanks,
Chris

Brajesh

01-11-08, 08:13 AM

Nice work Tom. I'm going to try your method w/my less than perfect MPEG-TS files. They show no glitches on actual playback, but the PS3 doesn't like them as Blu-ray [AVCHD] via TSRemux. The completely error-free ones do work w/just TSRemux, but anything else results in stutters and no audio.

Schlotkins

01-11-08, 08:39 AM

Tom Roper

01-11-08, 08:57 AM

So basically what you are doing is using Ulead to author a proper BDMV format and then replacing the entire structure (but not the video file itself) with a TSRemux structure. Thereby making it AVCHD that will work in PS3. Excellent.

I think this can have some advantages since using TSRemux for muxing is still considered "beta" even by the author himself. So we can use Ulead to do the actual muxing into a m2ts file. Presumably it will do a much better job. And then we only use TSRemux to simply generate the outer structure. It should not have a problem with that.

Perfectly said.

And Schlotkins, latreche34 what benes described above is possibly the fix for your stuttering on PS3 playback, for the reasons he stated.

If you're experiencing stuttering or no audio, you should try and establish that the .m2ts file is compliant, before spending much time and materials burning coasters. If it's good, the .m2ts should playback normally when using the Windows Media Player.

Tom Roper

01-11-08, 09:16 AM

Now after popping the cork in the champagne bottle, one problem came up. While the workflow works perfectly from A to Z on DVD+RW media, when I tried to burn the same collaboration on DVD-R or DVD+R, I produced coasters. When I stuck the disks in the PS3, the video icon for the AVCHD disk appeared, and it proceeded to auto-play, but after a few seconds, the PS3 said it was not a valid file or disk, gave a numeric error code.

I think if I had followed the conventional wisdom to use Nero or ImgBurn to do the burn, I wouldn't have this problem. I think I'm almost home, but I did run into this problem.

Schlotkins

01-11-08, 09:32 AM

Perfectly said.

And Schlotkins, latreche34 what benes described above is possibly the fix for your stuttering on PS3 playback, for the reasons he stated.

If you're experiencing stuttering or no audio, you should try and establish that the .m2ts file is compliant, before spending much time and materials burning coasters. If it's good, the .m2ts should playback normally when using the Windows Media Player.

Ugh, I guess I'm going to have to buy MF6+ to try this out. I don't have any other use for it other than this application.

If I may ask, and I apologize for all the dumb questions, but is there a reason 1920x1080i TS-MPEG from captured from my cable box would not be compliant? Is there a way to test this without purchasing MF6+ w/ HD pack using either videoredo or something else? The thing that has me concerned about my streams is I had Nero 8 recode them and I still had problems. So, it seems while a TS playback software/hardware solution can take care of issues, even a reencode doesn't fix my problem.

I don't mind spending the cash if I can get this to work. That would be huge for me actually.

Thanks,
Chris

alluringreality

01-11-08, 10:18 AM

I downloaded nero 8 trial version it's worse than roxio there no option to set UDF not even an option to set open session or open disc, what kind of nero software are you using?

Look at http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/ it shows where you need to be in the Nero burning rom to create a UDF 2.5 disk.

alluringreality

01-11-08, 10:31 AM

is there a reason 1920x1080i TS-MPEG from captured from my cable box would not be compliant? Is there a way to test this without purchasing MF6+ w/ HD pack using either videoredo or something else? The thing that has me concerned about my streams is I had Nero 8 recode them and I still had problems.

VideoReDo has a trial. You could try running the .ts through that and then try Nero again. I haven't messed with Nero much aside from looking at what it will and will not re-encode, but there haven't been reports I've read of issues directly related to Nero when it works. The major issue with Nero is that it almost always wants to transcode and it crashes. Both Nero and Ulead are similar in that if you want AVCHD (which plays on the PS3) you have to let the program transcode mpeg2 to AVC. Ulead is different in that it authors BDMV, but BDMV is not accepted on DVD by the PS3.

Mpeg2 is not what either Nero or Ulead's AVCHD options are looking for. They both seem to be able to accept compliant AVC video in some containers without transcoding, but otherwise they're going to re-encode the video. Ulead has another option called BDMV which can accept AVC or mpeg2 video without trancoding, but the format cannot play back on the PS3 from DVD.

If you can supply tsremux with compliant video and audio it will be able to use that to create an AVCHD which can play on the PS3 from DVD. I'm almost certain that tsremux stole their AVCHD implementation from Nero. I can't seem to find any way for the base version of Nero to accept mpeg2 without transcoding though. I even tried feeding it the Ulead BDMV m2ts files, and Nero still wanted to transcode. From what I've read about tsremux, the major thing that Tom is doing is putting the mpeg2 m2ts from Ulead (BDMV) into Nero's AVCHD output and all tsremux is doing is adding chapters.

Schlotkins

01-11-08, 11:38 AM

VideoReDo has a trial. You could try running the .ts through that and then try Nero again. I haven't messed with Nero much aside from looking at what it will and will not re-encode, but there haven't been reports I've read of issues directly related to Nero when it works. The major issue with Nero is that it almost always wants to transcode and it crashes. Both Nero and Ulead are similar in that if you want AVCHD (which plays on the PS3) you have to let the program transcode mpeg2 to AVC. Ulead is different in that it authors BDMV, but BDMV is not accepted on DVD by the PS3.

Mpeg2 is not what either Nero or Ulead's AVCHD options are looking for. They both seem to be able to accept compliant AVC video in some containers without transcoding, but otherwise they're going to re-encode the video. Ulead has another option called BDMV which can accept AVC or mpeg2 video without trancoding, but the format cannot play back on the PS3 from DVD.

If you can supply tsremux with compliant video and audio it will be able to use that to create an AVCHD which can play on the PS3 from DVD. I'm almost certain that tsremux stole their AVCHD implementation from Nero. I can't seem to find any way for the base version of Nero to accept mpeg2 without transcoding though. I even tried feeding it the Ulead BDMV m2ts files, and Nero still wanted to transcode. From what I've read about tsremux, the major thing that Tom is doing is putting the mpeg2 m2ts from Ulead (BDMV) into Nero's AVCHD output and all tsremux is doing is adding chapters.

Thanks for the help.

I actually have VideoRedo as I've just been storings streams on my computer and take out the commercials. This particular steam runs through both the quickfix in VideoRedo and Mpeg2Repair without any errors. (The stream itself is actually output from VideoRedo after I cut the commercials.) I used VideoRedo to turn the TS file into a MPEG file. that file plays in WMP11 with absolutely no issues. So that means my stream must be compliant, correct?

Phloyd

01-11-08, 12:41 PM

I actually have VideoRedo as I've just been storings streams on my computer and take out the commercials. This particular steam runs through both the quickfix in VideoRedo and Mpeg2Repair without any errors. (The stream itself is actually output from VideoRedo after I cut the commercials.) I used VideoRedo to turn the TS file into a MPEG file. that file plays in WMP11 with absolutely no issues. So that means my stream must be compliant, correct?

It really depends on the source. One of the more annoying restrictions which can be present in broadcast is the length of the GOPs. If that is longer than a certain number (which I have seen on both cable and OTA broadcasts) then the stream is not compliant with Blu-ray. The bitrate flag can sometimes be incorrect and too high for Blu-ray. Both of these can be fixed with VRD. I think there is a howto on the Roxio site (DVDit Pro HD forum) for fixing these issues with VRD.

MozartMan

01-11-08, 12:48 PM

It really depends on the source. One of the more annoying restrictions which can be present in broadcast is the length of the GOPs. If that is longer than a certain number (which I have seen on both cable and OTA broadcasts) then the stream is not compliant with Blu-ray. The bitrate flag can sometimes be incorrect and too high for Blu-ray. Both of these can be fixed with VRD. I think there is a howto on the Roxio site (DVDit Pro HD forum) for fixing these issues with VRD.
Yeah! I was wondering sometimes why the hell Nero ShowTime was showing 125 Mbit/second when I was playing .TS file from broadcast.

Tom Roper

01-11-08, 02:27 PM

I used VideoRedo to turn the TS file into a MPEG file. that file plays in WMP11 with absolutely no issues. So that means my stream must be compliant, correct?

I would take the same .m2ts file after it's been authored by TSRemux and see how that file plays on WMP11.

Brajesh

01-11-08, 03:03 PM

Unfortunately, that isn't a guarantee either. I have .m2ts files from TSRemux that play fine on the PC and the PS3, but as soon as it's in an AVCHD container via TSRemux, I get stutter and no audio. Tom, I'm trying your method right now, using Ulead's HD pack and TSRemux, and will report back by this evening.

Tom Roper

01-11-08, 03:54 PM

Unfortunately, that isn't a guarantee either. I have .m2ts files from TSRemux that play fine on the PC and the PS3, but as soon as it's in an AVCHD container via TSRemux, I get stutter and no audio.

Right. I just meant no need to continue on to the burning step if the TSRemux'd .m2ts doesn't play well on the windows media player, and no guarantee it will play well on the PS3 even if it does.

fatherom

01-11-08, 07:22 PM

MozartMan

01-11-08, 07:34 PM

Yeah that could be important. If the M2R log shows the header bitrate to be above 40 Mbps that should probably be fixed. You can use Restream.exe for that too.

Well, I think my Nero ShowTime is screwed. I played HDV .M2T file, which is 25Mbit/s CBR, with ShowTime and bitrate meter went to 700Mbit/s after playing file for one minute. This is ridicilous.

alluringreality

01-11-08, 08:17 PM

1) You mention editing, saving as a program stream, only to then re-convert back to transport stream. I use VideoRedo, which allows loading a transport stream, defining cuts, and saving as a transport stream. Do you think this would work? That way, a step could be eliminated.

2) Have you tried the discs that work in the PS3 on any other blu-ray players? I guess what I'm getting at is that during my HD-DVD authoring days, I had relative confidence that the discs would work in any HD-DVD player (although I guess Toshiba is the only real manufacturer there) ;)

1) VideoReDo can probably be expected to work for mpeg2 manipulation.

2) What Tom is doing will likely play on my BDP-S1 without issue. Most Blu-ray players offer AVCHD support, and that's what tsremux is passing the disk off as. The disk he's doing is probably outside the AVCHD spec because it seems to call for only H264 video, but a similar technique is posted for putting Blu-rays on DVD with few replies of any issues. As long as most Blu-ray players continue to support AVCHD, at the very least you might just have to transcode a disk if the out of spec format wouldn't play on a player. The encode we're using for our calibration disk is H264 rather than mpeg2 video, but after something over 1500 downloads only the dual-format Samsung is suspected as possibly not working with AVCHD.

Suzook

01-11-08, 08:23 PM

where do you guys suggest to get the cheapest BD 25 and 50 write once media. Seen 25gb on ebay for around $15 shipped and 50gb in high $20's low $30's

latreche34

01-12-08, 03:34 AM

Ok guys if you want to play your HD ts files on PS3 without having to make an autoplay AVCHD disc it's simple, get videoredo output the ts file as MPEG2 PS (Program Stream) this will not affect the video quality and it takes about 15 min for 1 hour video, than burn as data disc with any burning application no need to set UDF and put the disc in your PS3 and enjoy tried that already and it works, I'm only having trouble with authoring to AVCHD why doing that? just to have autoplay feature, hope tsremux improve by the time so I can create an AVCHD disc error free.

Brajesh

01-12-08, 07:48 AM

Woo-hoo! Got it to work using a slight modification to Tom's method. Tried 4 different TS files that previously resulted in stutters w/o audio on the PS3. Now they all play perfectly. Tried DVD+RW, DVD+R SL and a DVD-R DL.

Here's my workflow, which is very similar to Tom's.

Take your hi-def capture and run it through VideoRedo (VRD). MPEG2VCR also works according to MozartMan, but I find VRD better. Cut out segments you don't want. Click 'Save As...' and choose 'Transport Stream (*.ts)' for output. Before this, if you haven't done so just once before, after you open VRD, click 'Tools', then while holding down the 'Shift' key, choose 'Options'. This gives you extra setup options. Find the line 'Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs' and enable it to 'True'.
Run your VRD-generated TS through Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with their HD Power Pack (http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1190954650114) plug-in. It costs $20, but Google "ulead coupon" and you might find a 10% off coupon as I did. Start the Ulead launcher w/o any disc in your drive. Click 'New Video Project' button, then click 'OK' to choose your drive, then choose 'Blu-ray' with 'BDMV' option and click 'OK'. Once you're in, disable menu option and don't add any chapters.
Run your Ulead-generated M2TS file (in the BDMV/STREAM folder) through TSRemux v0.0.18 with the 'Blu-Ray' output option to another folder on your hard drive. Set chapter markers to however many minutes you want.
Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux-generated BDMV/STREAM folder and copy over 0000.m2ts from the Ulead-generated BDMV/STREAM folder. Rename 0000.m2ts to 0001.m2ts.
Burn the TSRemux 'BDMV' and 'CERTIFICATE' folders to any DVD media with Nero 7 or 8. Make sure you choose 'DVD-ROM (UDF)', then under the 'UDF' tab, choose 'Manual settings' and 'Physical partition' with 'UDF 2.50'.
Perfect playback w/DD 2.0 or 5.1 audio on the PS3 with chapters and smooth forward/reverse scan. No menus, but I don't need them.

latreche34

01-12-08, 09:14 AM

Nice found, I was just doing the same thing I managed to get Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus along with HD pack for free from torrent download noticed that Ulead creates the same two folders that tsremux does but with no autoplay feature, and since Ulead have data burning function I didn't need nero I just uninstalled it and works so far, but hope tsremux got improved so no need to do all this steps, ulead good for authoring home HDV video with menus though.

Tom Roper

01-12-08, 09:32 AM

We're having fun now! :p:):):) Nero UDF solved the burn problem for me last nite. ...and Brajesh...GOOD GOING!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

I thought about VideoRedo as well. Why not if it works? I use it, and it should work. I was just eager to post a workflow that worked, any. But alluringreality speaks for me. I totally agree.

Only thing, I'd remind latreche34 that while you're right about what you say to a point, unless you get the collaboration onto AVCHD you'll run up against the 2gb file size limitation. But that method it's still handy for a quick look.

But I wanted to say this. Some of you guys are giving me props for stumbling onto something that by all rights, I deserve no credit for. MozartMan, and benes, alluringreality, Brajesh, Phloyd have been on the front lines of this. Once Mozart expained that TSRemux was modifying two files to trick the PS3, the bell went off.

I think where we're headed is toward a red laser, BDMV, AVCHD workflow that has a working menu structure. Let's hope Sony doesn't decide to lay more traps in future PS3 upgrades.

fatherom

01-12-08, 10:04 AM

Tom, Brajesh, and others...

Great job doing all the experimentation...I will try this workflow today as well...

I know I asked this before...but, do either of you have a non-PS3 to try these in? If not, and I know this would be speculation on your part, but what is your opinion on the compatiblity of these discs with other blu-ray players?

Thanks again for all the trial and error...and resulting success! :)

Chris

fatherom

01-12-08, 10:06 AM

This has probably been mentioned before but just thought I'd share my current experience. Videoredo's QuickStream Fix feature does wonders for glitchy streams. Probably better than M2R repair.

You know, I've been thinking about that. In the HD-DVD authoring workflow, many use VideoReDo to convert the TS to a PS for Ulead. Now, Brajesh's workflow uses VideoReDo to edit and save off the TS edits.

I think, when VideoReDo saves content, it fixes along the way (I seem to remember reading that). Perhaps that's why after a video source has been processed with VideoReDo, it has a pretty high success rate in HD-DVD authored discs, and, now, blu-ray ones. :)

Chris

alluringreality

01-12-08, 10:24 AM

I know I asked this before...but, do either of you have a non-PS3 to try these in? If not, and I know this would be speculation on your part, but what is your opinion on the compatiblity of these discs with other blu-ray players?

I already adressed this. What is being discussed can be expected to work on most standalone players. Of course the only reason they're having to go through all the steps is that the PS3 does not play BDMV from DVD. For my BDP-S1 following http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12788552#post12788552 I could skip steps 3 and 4 because my player can do BDMV from DVD. The bonus is that I could have menus, and the downside is that the PS3 wouldn't play it.

fatherom

01-12-08, 10:25 AM

I already adressed this. What is being discussed can be expected to work on most standalone players. Of course the only reason they're having to go through all the steps is that the PS3 does not play BDMV from DVD. For my BDP-S1 following http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12788552#post12788552 I could skip steps 3 and 4 because my player can do BDMV from DVD. The bonus is that I could have menus, the downside is that the PS3 wouldn't play it.

Thanks, I'm just being paranoid. :)

Chris

fatherom

01-12-08, 10:35 AM

MozartMan

01-12-08, 10:52 AM

Woo-hoo! Got it to work using a slight modification to Tom's method. Tried 4 different TS files that previously resulted in stutters w/o audio on the PS3. Now they all play perfectly. Tried DVD+RW, DVD+R SL and a DVD-R DL. So, not just RW.

Here's my workflow, which is very similar to Tom's. I owe you a drink at least sir! :D

Take your hi-def capture and run it through VideoRedo (VRD). MPEG2VCR may work just fine, but I find VRD better. Cut out segments you don't want. Click 'Save As...' and choose 'Transport Stream (*.ts)' for output. Before this, if you haven't done so just once before, after you open VRD, click 'Tools', then while holding down the 'Shift' key, choose 'Options'. This gives you extra setup options. Find the line 'Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs' and enable it to 'True'.
Run your VRD-generated TS through Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with their HD Power Pack (http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1190954650114) plug-in. It costs $20, but Google "ulead coupon" and you might find a 10% off coupon as I did. Start the Ulead launcher w/o any disc in your drive. Click 'New Video Project' button, then click OK to choose your drive, then choose 'Blu-ray' with 'BDMV' option and click 'OK'. Once you're in, disable menu option and don't add any chapters.
Run your Ulead-generated M2TS file (in the BDMV/STREAM folder) through TSRemux v0.0.18 with the 'Blu-Ray' output option to another folder on your hard drive. Set chapter markers to however minutes you want.
Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux-generated BDMV/STREAM folder and copy over 0000.m2ts from the Ulead-generated BDMV/STREAM folder. Rename 0000.m2ts to 0001.m2ts.
Burn the TSRemux 'BDMV' and 'CERTIFICATE' folders to any DVD media with Nero 7 or 8. Make sure you choose 'DVD-ROM (UDF)', then under the 'UDF' tab, choose 'Manual settings' and 'Physical partition' with 'UDF 2.50'.
Perfect playback w/DD 2.0 or 5.1 audio on the PS3 with chapters and smooth forward/reverse scan. No menus, but I don't need them.

Yes, I can confirm this method. I went through all these steps except step 1 because I don't have VideoReDo. Plays perfectly on PS3.

So, to summarize this:

1. VideoReDo does great job by fixing .TS files captured from broadcast.
2. TSRemux does great job by making AVCHD (BDMV) structure and allows to use MPEG-2 on DVD 5/9 playable on Blu-ray players.
3. Ulead does great job by remuxing .TS files into .M2TS files which are compliant with Blu-ray specs.

alluringreality

01-12-08, 11:23 AM

Would 720P or 1088i files work with the new Roper/Brajesh master workflow?

720p already works with MF6+ without transcoding, so that part of the HD DVD post is outdated for the current software. It's quite possible that Ulead might still not accept 1088, but I don't have any files to test. Most likely you could just use the program listed in the HD DVD thread if that was an issue.

BDMV with Ulead seems very similar to HD DVD authoring. There are only a few differences:
1) The PS3 will not play a BDMV from DVD (this is why tsremux is being used in the current discussion)
2) BDMV can use H264 from .m2ts or .ts (this is irrelevant for PS3 from DVD users, but it's not very well documented by Ulead)

If you don't need your disk right away, it is possible to use the Ulead software to transcode to H264 with the AVCHD option. The upside is that the file size is smaller, you can fit more video on DVD, it will play on the PS3, you can have menus for the PS3, and you don't have to mess with different programs. The only downside is that you have to wait for it to transcode. Some people say that there is a quality loss, but there are transcoding settings and any loss could basically be a non-issue.

alluringreality

01-12-08, 11:31 AM

Most people will probably not be dealing with 24p, but it appears that Ulead probably cannot do 24p. I had read that already at a camera-related site, but I was hoping that it would be able to pass-through compliant 24p. Using http://www.w6rz.net/judder.zip the report appears correct. The pulldownjudder (29.970fps) can be imported without transcoding, but the filmjudder (23.976fps) re-encodes. Aside from frame rate, I can't come up with another reason why one would work and the other wouldn't.

At this point there appears to be no reasonably priced software that can fulfill our calibration disk intent of having 24p video that's playable on the PS3 with menus from a DVD. Because of how the PS3 will only use AVCHD from DVD, that severly limits what can be used. Few programs create an AVCHD disk, and even fewer create an AVCHD disk with menus. At this point Nero is the only program I know of that has any chance at all of working, but the only format it will consistantly import without transcoding is m2ts and I don't have any 1080/24 h264 files to test. Beyond that the only thing I can guess at is getting into the disk structure and altering items there. Like the current discussion it is possible to replace the Ulead AVCHD (H264) m2ts with the BDMV mpeg2 m2ts, but for some reason chapter skipping becomes messed up.

Tom Roper

01-12-08, 03:00 PM

Tom,

A couple questions for you. I've been following the discussion and am interested (like Brajesh) in being able to author blu-ray content on red laser media with the same (relative) ease as authoring HD-DVDs on red laser media.

1) You mention editing, saving as a program stream, only to then re-convert back to transport stream. I use VideoRedo, which allows loading a transport stream, defining cuts, and saving as a transport stream. Do you think this would work? That way, a step could be eliminated.

2) Have you tried the discs that work in the PS3 on any other blu-ray players? I guess what I'm getting at is that during my HD-DVD authoring days, I had relative confidence that the discs would work in any HD-DVD player (although I guess Toshiba is the only real manufacturer there) ;)

I only own a PS3 right now, but I would like to know if I spend a bunch of time authoring blu-ray content on red laser media, that they'll be somewhat "future proof" and play in other blu-ray players I may get down the road, since it does appear HD-DVD may be on its way out.

That being said, like Brajesh, I plan on keeping my A2 and A3. I've authored all seven parts of PBS' "The War" on HD-DVD (as well as many other things)...they look fantastic, and I really don't feel like re-authoring them. :)

Chris

1.) Yes. Thank you for reading my post so carefully. But the only reason I outputed to program stream only to re-convert it back to transport stream is because Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, for some reason loses the AC3 5.1 audio when exporting to transport stream. So by instead exporting to program stream, and then using Womble's own format converter utility to bring it back in as transport stream once again, I ended up with that workflow.

My experience with VideoRedo has been most successful with transport stream conversions to program streams using the Quickstream Fix tool. VideoRedo output has not been as compliant with program stream sources.

2.) I have not tried these home brewed disks in other blu-ray players, but like you, I had good success with getting the HD DVD format disks to play in all the players. As far as Blu-Ray disks on Red Laser being "future proof," that's a concern. My sentiment is that Sony would rather have us purchase expensive Blu-Ray burners and media. For all we know, the recent PS3 AVCHD red laser compatibility trick could go away in the next firmware update from Sony. Obviously, I hope not.

But like you, I'm definitely holding on to my A1 and A2 players. Format neutrality has always been my desire, but hard not to be nostalgic. While the studios and content may be going away, I think the players are here to stay, and that we'll see Blu-Ray players playing more formats going forward, including HD DVD, WMV9, VC1, DivX, Mov quicktime and others. At least I hope so.

Tom Roper

01-12-08, 03:17 PM

For HD-DVD authoring, 720P MPEG-2 TS files are usable, as well as 1088i files. After saving from VideoReDo as a program stream, the files are HDPatch'd before loading them in Ulead. This tricks Ulead, so it doesn't attempt to re-encode the files. In the case of 720P, the resulting EVO files are then HDPatch'd again before burning.

Would 720P or 1088i files work with the new Roper/Brajesh master workflow? :)

Chris

I believe so. A little bit off topic, but Canon HDV pro cams like the XL-H1 and XH-A1 output in a format called 24F. There's been a lot of confusion about that since the beginning because some NLE's would not recognize it. But basically what it is, is 24 progressive frames laid to stream, with repeat flags added. That's really pretty nice because it intercuts with 60i on the same timeline, plays equally well when output as 24p or 60i. Some NLEs and mpeg editors see and use the flags, and report the 24F output as 60i (59.94). Others ignore the flags and report the stream as 24p. So some people have been arguing that it has no 3:2 pulldown frames, and that's true. Some argue that 24F doesn't have the flags because either their NLE doesn't use them, or because 1080p24 is true progressive and wouldn't ordinarily have them, whereas 480p24 are progressive frames segmented into 60 fields with pulldown. But my editor says that 24F Canon does have the flags. And it intercuts with 60i on the same timeline, no problem.

So I'm going to climb out on a limb and say that I think an AVCHD/mpeg2 authored red laser disk will play 1080p24 progressive, if the stream contains pulldown flags like the Canon 24F.

Some other cams from Sony and Canon use either progressive segmented frames, or true 24p frames as well. Whether they play friendly on the AVCHD/mpeg2 authored red laser disk, I haven't tested.

Tom Roper

01-12-08, 06:05 PM

Once again, alluringreality is right. Canon 24F authored onto the hybrid AVCHD/mpeg2/Ulead/TSRemux/DVD5 will not output at 1080p24 on my PS3.

The native mpeg2 program stream will output at 1080p24 from the USB flash stick. But in all honesty, it looks horrid. It plays back with less judder at 1080i60 from the AVCHD hybrid disk.

Has anyone else had the observation, that everything plays back better from these AVCHD hybrid disks? To me they do! It's as if internally, the PS3 is using a different codec or processor on the Blu-Ray streams than on the other video medias.

On 1080i60, it's a very subtle difference, but on the 1080p plasma, you can observe a slight amount of twitter on the mpeg2 streams played back from USB flash or the hard drive. But it's totally absent, the same stream authored to the hybrid AVCHD/mpeg2 disk.

My observation about the PS3, had been that 1080i playback of my HDV video was fractionally less sharp due to that twitter, than the same stream played back on the Toshiba A2 HD DVD player. But once the stream is authored to the AVCHD/mpeg2 hybrid disk, the playback is absolutely perfect, 100% to the A2 Tosh.

latreche34

01-12-08, 07:52 PM

We're having fun now! :p:):):) Nero UDF solved the burn problem for me last nite. ...and Brajesh...GOOD GOING!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

Only thing, I'd remind latreche34 that while you're right about what you say to a point, unless you get the collaboration onto AVCHD you'll run up against the 2gb file size limitation. But that method it's still handy for a quick look.

There is no file size limit on the optical disc, I have more than 20 movies 1080i MPEG2 PS burned as data on 2 disc set 8.5GB, they play just fine on my PS3.

fatherom

01-12-08, 08:02 PM

Well,

I started at 11am this morning, and I just gave up...I really want to try this workflow, but I ran into a HUGE snag.

ULead MovieFactory 6 Plus won't work for me. I spent all day uninstalling, cleaning the registry, and reinstalling. I posted on a Ulead forum, and I also contacted their tech support. I'm trying the trial version, which is supposed to be fully functional.

Basically, when I click "Add Video Files"...the mouse arrow sits there, then has an hourglass, then goes back to a plain mouse arrow...eventually the app just closes with no message at all. I never see the dialog where you browse to choose a file.

If I ran the app from the launcher, when this problem happens, MF6 closes and the launcher re-appears.

I tried dragging and dropping video into the timeline...same results. I tried clicking on "Create a Slideshow"...same results.

I've read posts in the ULead forums about possible codec conflicts, etc. I don't think I have anything left on my system that could be conflicting with it. I took off ffdshow, all my versions of DivX, TVersity, and some other stuff.

I never have this problem when using MovieFactory 5. I'm able to add video with that program no problem. Although, there was a time when the program would hang when I would select certain MPG PS files in the "open" dialog box, but that hasn't happened for a while.

I'm getting the impression (especially from the ULead forums) that this program is NOT very robust at all. Ugh. :( I really wanted this to work.

Chris

MozartMan

01-12-08, 08:10 PM

Chris,

Trial version will not do anything for you because there is no trial version of HD pack. So, even you manage to install it, you will not have Blu-ray and AVCHD option for you project.

Tom Roper

01-12-08, 09:34 PM

There is no file size limit on the optical disc.

Thanks for the correction.

GodobeHD

01-12-08, 10:22 PM

Hi Tom, and everybody, thanks much for figuring out this new approach. Following the methods here I did manage to get a stuter free HD stream to play on PS3, with all the functionalities. But the sound track is NOT 5.1 AC3, it becomes stereo coming out of the PS3 (from optical output). It may sound silly to ask, but have you or Brajesh put your ear right next to the center and rear speakers to see if there is any sound coming out of those? The season is that the stereo sounded so good that I didn't realize three channels were missing until I checked it.

If that is indeed the case, only stereo from PS3, then we know we are back to square one, because even from day one PS3 could play transport stream with only two channels stuter free.

MozartMan

01-12-08, 10:29 PM

fatherom

01-12-08, 10:45 PM

My stubborness paid off... :)

I noticed Dr Watson was running when the program was crashing. Looked at the logs, did some more searching, and found others who renamed divx_ul.dll to prevent it from being loaded. Shazam..."Add Video Files" button works. Who knows what I lost by renaming that DLL, but I don't care. :)

Once that worked, I felt confident in buying the software and the HD power pack. I was able to follow Brajesh's steps and create a disc that plays great in the PS3, with 5.1 sound (I have 2.10 firmware on my PS3).

For this kind of authoring, ULead definitely wants a Transport Stream, not a Program Stream...wonder why? HD-DVD authoring with MF5 required a Program Stream. Oh well.

And wouldn't ya know, my first experiment was on a 1088i cap. I used HDPatch to directly patch the original TS files...it allowed me to do that and it didn't complain. But then I had to save the TS edits from VideoReDo as Program Streams first, since trying to save the edits as TS files directly caused VideoReDo to generate a muxer error...don't know why. Then I had to load the edited Program Stream in VideoReDo and convert it BACK to a TS. This is similar to the back-and-forth Tom had to go through. All this so ULead can have its happy Transport Stream.

No re-encoding of the video was done at any step...my PC is so damned old, it would take probably 20 hours to re-encode this stuff! :)

A minor point...the FF and REV were not so silky smooth for me. The timegauge on the PS3 display would move appropriately, but I didn't see too many updates of the actual movie image...it was hard to know where I would end up when I hit 'play'. Not a huge deal.

Thanks to all...I am SO tired, but I think I have to stay up now and watch the AVCHD disc I just authored.

Chris

MozartMan

01-12-08, 10:55 PM

Thanks to all...I am SO tired, but I think I have to stay up now and watch the AVCHD disc I just authored.

Chris
Congratulations.

For this kind of authoring, ULead definitely wants a Transport Stream, not a Program Stream...wonder why? Oh well.

Quote from dmz:
There are two types of MPEG2 standard containers - program streams and transport streams. Here's somewhat not accurate but close enough comparison:

Program Streams usually contain a single program. They're used by DVDs and HD-DVDs. They're made up of variable sized packets.

Transport Streams can contain multiple programs. They're used by Blu-Ray, D-VHS, HD Camcorders, Cable, Satellite, Over-the-air TV. They're made up of fixed sized packets.

MozartMan

01-12-08, 10:56 PM

I need one more post to hit 300. :)

Done!

fatherom

01-12-08, 11:02 PM

Quote from dmz:

Yeah, I had edited my original post to clarify. Ulead MF5 used Program Streams for HD-DVD authoring. I haven't tried MF6+ for HD-DVD authoring.

No biggie that Blu-Ray authoring wants Transport Streams. Easy enough to convert back and forth...

fatherom

01-12-08, 11:21 PM

GodobeHD

01-12-08, 11:44 PM

What firmware do you have? Latest 2.10 fixed that and it plays with 5.1 surround sound.

If I am not mistaken the firmware was downloaded only three weeks ago, I think its 2.11. I am not by the PS3 now.

I wonder it had anything to do with the red laser media.

Tom Roper

01-13-08, 12:56 AM

It may sound silly to ask, but have you or Brajesh put your ear right next to the center and rear speakers to see if there is any sound coming out of those?

Actually, I have put my ear next to the center and rear speakers. The sound is coming from all of them. Also my audio receiver reports 5.1 on the display.

Tom Roper

01-13-08, 01:01 AM

My stubborness paid off... :)
Chris

Good going Chris! You have to be persistent!

Tom Roper

01-13-08, 01:07 AM

As I follow the workflow and do the TSRemux step, I notice that not many files in the TSRemux-generated directory structure change between the instant TSRemux is kicked off and when it finally finishes the remuxing of the TS file.

Perhaps it's possible to merely start TSRemux, then abort it...and use some of the files it generates at the beginning, plop those in a previously completed TSRemux directory structure (you could use the same one over and over as a "template") and eliminate the bulk of the time TSRemux takes to run.

I may try it at some point...just trying to reduce the total time needed... :)

Chris

That's right. I should have mentioned that. I haven't recycled the previously generated outer structure, but I have cancelled the TSRemux process before its completion without problem.

When you think about it, if we just knew what to change in the file headers to make it spoof the PS3 into thinking it's AVCHD, we could just use the Ulead generated structure, and then have chapters at the scene changes instead of just arbitrarily at some time interval.

latreche34

01-13-08, 02:02 AM

The Senior member of VideoRedo forum said that they will include an output option for PS3 in mid feb 2008 in the next software update, so my guess it will be probabely much faster than Ulead rendering option.

leem6453

01-13-08, 03:48 AM

latreche34

01-13-08, 03:53 AM

latreche34

01-13-08, 03:57 AM

When I start moving up to bigger HD video files I start getting an error message when Ulead remuxing the TS file to the hard drive at about 6% of the progress bar:
"there is an internal error in the DVD engine" isn't that weared??

fatherom

01-13-08, 08:08 AM

Tom, Brajhesh, and others...

I just can't win. :)

So I stayed up late last night watching the 2 discs I'd burned. Each was about 45 minutes of a 90 minute movie.

Disc 1 froze in a couple places...I could hear the PS3 drive making noise, and then playback would resume...but I missed about 10 seconds of the movie during each freeze. Disc 1 also froze at the last 5 seconds. Disc 2 froze in one place in the midst of the movie, as well as the last 5 seconds.

It's a new burner, so I tried my old reliable burner. Disc 2 doesn't freeze in the same place in the midst of the movie, but I haven't watched the whole 45 minutes to verify if there are different freezes in new places. BUT...disc 2 still froze during the last 5 seconds. I've found a small smattering of people on the internet mentioning hangs at the end of AVCHD clips on the PS3.

Have you guys experienced this at all? Have you watched from start to finish the discs you've tried thus far?

I'm burning on Verbatim DVD-Rs, which I've always trusted and have worked fine for HD-DVD burning.

Edit: I ran some quality scans on the discs I burned in the new burner...AWFUL. I have a feeling that accounts for the glitches within the midst of the movie. I'm reburning both discs and gonna watch the whole thing again. I think I will still see the freeze at the end of each disk (last 5 seconds)...I'll report back later.

Chris

fatherom

01-13-08, 11:46 AM

Yeah, so slap my hand for buying a cheap burner. After re-burning both discs on my old reliable Sony burner, and watching them through, I had no problems during the midst of the movie. FF and REV are still a bit shaky; sometimes the PS3 seems to hang, but it's not too bad...

Still the same issue, though, at the end of each disc. Once it gets to the last 4 or 5 seconds, the video grinds to a halt, the audio drops out, yet the PS3 on-screen display time bar still shows progress. Then the video starts over...another minor annoyance. :)

If anyone else can play the end of their AVCHD discs and let me know what you experience, it would be very helpful.

I suppose this could be cured by putting some "blank"/"black" footage at the end of the clip. In Ulead would be easier, but if each "clip" on a disc suffers from the freeze at the end, then the blank footage would need to be integrated into the TS file, at the VideoReDo stage, before feeding the TS file to Ulead.

Chris

Waldi2001

01-13-08, 01:21 PM

fatherom

01-13-08, 02:13 PM

What does the error message "This stream needs the SPI file" mean? The Scenarist manual doesn't include any information about this message ... :(

All the same, it's almost definitely a Scenarist problem. Have you tried looking for Scenarist discussion forums online? That was helpful to me when I was having problems with ULead MovieFactory.

leem6453

01-13-08, 02:40 PM

This is off topic.
The title of the topic is "My bluray BURNING experiences". My question is in regards to burning. Would you rather me open up a separate thread?

MozartMan

01-13-08, 02:49 PM

Has anyone tried to burn a blu-ray or hd dvd straight to a standalone dvd recorder like people do from a dish receiver? This could be useful to make a backup of movies that you already own, because not everyone has a high def player in their bedroom.

The title of the topic is "My BLURAY burning experiences". My question is in regards to burning. Would you rather me open up a separate thread?
Fixed.

Waldi2001

01-13-08, 04:22 PM

All the same, it's almost definitely a Scenarist problem. Have you tried looking for Scenarist discussion forums online? That was helpful to me when I was having problems with ULead MovieFactory.

Thanks! I'll give it a try! :)

Brajesh

01-13-08, 06:13 PM

Broadcast AVC streams are not compatible with the Blu-ray spec unfortunately. At this point there is nothing you can do short of re-encoding.
Not sure if you're including satellite, like Dish, but I've gotten AVC caps from Universal HD for instance to work just fine on my PS3. This is after I ran it thru TSRemux w/M2TS output. No re-encoding involved. Blu-ray output option resulted in stutters. But, I still need to try having the cap go thru Ulead to see what happens, similar to how I/Tom/MozartMan got MPEG2-TS to work.

Tom Roper

01-13-08, 11:09 PM

As I follow the workflow and do the TSRemux step, I notice that not many files in the TSRemux-generated directory structure change between the instant TSRemux is kicked off and when it finally finishes the remuxing of the TS file.

Perhaps it's possible to merely start TSRemux, then abort it...and use some of the files it generates at the beginning, plop those in a previously completed TSRemux directory structure (you could use the same one over and over as a "template") and eliminate the bulk of the time TSRemux takes to run.

I may try it at some point...just trying to reduce the total time needed... :)

Chris

Hey Chris,
I just found that if I abort the TSRemux before it finishes, the burned disk halts playback, probably at about the point where the abort was initiated.

fatherom

01-14-08, 04:15 PM

Hey Chris,
I just found that if I abort the TSRemux before it finishes, the burned disk halts playback, probably at about the point where the abort was initiated.

Interesting...thanks for trying that out!

fatherom

01-14-08, 04:18 PM

Brajesh, Tom,

Not sure if you saw my earlier reply...it kinda got lost in the shuffle...

When you play your AVCHD burned disks in the PS3, what happens in the last 5-10 seconds of the disc? On mine, the audio drops out for the last 4-5 seconds of the disc, and the video grinds to a halt and stutters. The progress bar display gauge proceeds as normal until the end of the "clip".

Then the entire disc starts over.

I created a 10 second TS file that is 5.1 1080i, but is black with no sound. I may append them to the TS files I feed to Ulead so if the PS3 plans on screeching to a halt at the end, it won't be during actual movie content. :)

Chris

Tom Roper

01-14-08, 05:40 PM

Waldi2001

01-14-08, 06:00 PM

I try to use Scenarist 4.2 to create Blu-ray Discs from transport streams (AVC video / AC3 audio) captured from television.

When I load the demuxed AVC stream into the MUI Generator and press the "Create Files" button, everything seems to run fine. But when the progress bar has reached 100%, I get the message "ERROR: This stream needs the SPI file" - and no files are created.

It doesn't matter whether or not I "repair" the transport streams, and it doesn't matter if I use xport, TSRemux or XMuxer Pro to demux the transport streams - always the same result. :(

What does the error message "This stream needs the SPI file" mean? The Scenarist manual doesn't include any information about this message ... :(

OK heres what I found out. Commercial blu-ray discs are encoded with AVC HIGH Profile and broadcasts are encoded with AVC MAIN Profile. The Blu-ray format actually supports both of these but for some silly reason Scenarist will only accept HIGH Profile. :(

The AVC streams that are not accepted by Scenarist's MUI Generator are actually Main Profile at Level 4.0.

Would it be possible to patch a Main Profile AVC stream, so that Scenarist "thinks" it's High Profile?

Brajesh

01-14-08, 06:18 PM

Hey Chris, I've had the same success as Tom. No issues. I'm now authoring all my new TS caps as mini Blu-rays, but as I'd already authored over 150 HD DVDs, I'm leaving all those as is. I don't expect to replace any of my commercial HD DVDs w/BD counterparts either. BD may have won the format war, but HD DVD is still my preferred format, at least for homebrews :). For commercial discs, I like BD better for quicker load times namely.

fatherom

01-14-08, 07:08 PM

So far, I have not seen that problem. Disk plays fine to the end, no stutters, audio is good all the way, then it starts over.

Hey Chris, I've had the same success as Tom. No issues. I'm now authoring all my new TS caps as mini Blu-rays, but as I'd already authored over 150 HD DVDs, I'm leaving all those as is. I don't expect to replace any of my commercial HD DVDs w/BD counterparts either. BD may have won the format war, but HD DVD is still my preferred format, at least for homebrews :). For commercial discs, I like BD better for quicker load times namely.

Interesting...wonder what I'm doing wrong...well, I may still use my 10 second "buffer" clip at the end of each disc, if only so the disc doesn't restart before I have time to eject it...offends my movie watching sensibilities to see the beginning of the movie again while swapping discs. :)

Brajesh: yeah, I'm leaving my homebrew HD-DVDs alone, and I may even author future things as HD-DVD as opposed to blu-ray, since right now we have 2 HD-DVD players in the house, and only 1 blu-ray player.

I just wanted to make sure I could author these kind of discs...at least now the workflow is fairly stable so if someday I have nothing but blu-ray players, my collection is salvageable. :)

On a semi-related note, I noticed my Win XP machine can't read the file structure of the 2.5 UDF AVCHD disk. I know Vista can deal with 2.5 UDF no problem. I've been keeping my original Transport Stream files archived on separate backup DVD-Rs just in case I ever want to re-author, but I know some people out there use the homebrew HD-DVD or AVCHD disk as the backup with the intention of "ripping" the video back off of it in the future if need be. AVCHD's use of UDF 2.5 could make that a little more complicated...just something to think about.

Oh yeah...and I went to Blockbuster today and they gave me 11 free empty original blu-ray cases since they don't use those for putting on the shelf...a nice blu-ray case to put my homebrews in! Beats buying HD-DVD cases, like I've been doing. :)

Chris