My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...

[MozartMan]

Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried muxing AVC video and AC3/AAC audio from existing files (ie. MKV/OGM files) into a BD9 layout without transcoding?

I just found out about BD9 and I would love to convert a bunch of existing HD material into BD9 discs for use on a standalone player.

However, I definately do NOT want to transcode/reencode the video or audio.
benjust,

Check out original TSRemux thread on Doom9 forum. I think somebody was able to do that.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

[alluringreality]

In more working on our patterns disk it appears that my BDP-S1 works different than the PS3. I can play our mpeg2 files (no audio) unconverted with BDMV on a DVD with the levels looking correct as previously described. The PS3 apparently has to go to file mode to play that way. We are probably needing a way to get the Ulead software to accept video and not transcode it using the AVCHD option

In http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=556357 there is talk about Movie Factory being able to accept video and not having to transcode it when going to AVCHD by 4eyes. Has anyone been able to do that and have it play as an AVCHD on the PS3? Basically we want to do the encoding and then just have Ulead accept the video and not transcode it, similar to how the Blu-ray option works for mpeg2 video. We have tried feeding it a couple mov files, but even with the "do not..." check set it still transcodes. Any ideas?

[benes]

Where do you get Scenarist? You have to buy it, or find someone who can use it at work (like I did), or get access to it in some other way. You have to figure that out for yourself. If you can't get it or if this doesn't look like the program for you then read the last paragraph of the next post titled "Alternative".

For this guide we will be authoring from a standard transport stream file with MPEG-2 video and AC-3 audio. Scenarist supports all codecs but more on that later. Our Blu-ray will be in BDMV format which is the "advanced" mode used on commercial discs. Our disc will be a single Title and will have chapter stops but no menu.

Scenarist only works with elements and obviously they need to be BD compliant streams. Any US HDTV MPEG-2 capture should work fine. Use MPEG2Repair (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=442446) to log your stream first. If there are no glitches then you are good to go. Otherwise go ahead and repair the file. I also recommend the QuickStream Fix feature of VideoReDo (http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm). So first we will need to demux our transport stream into elements. Use xport (http://www.w6rz.net/) for that.

Some notes about captures. Sometimes they will be flagged as 2.0 audio for the first few frames and then switch to 5.1. If you author an audio track like this Scenarist may keep the stream as 2.0 for the whole length. If this happens just trim the beginning of your transport stream with HDTVtoMPEG2 (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~balazer/HDTVtoMPEG2/) before you demux it. Also look for this line in your MPEG2Repair log:

1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (27.27 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (15.92 Mbps Average).

Now the actual bitrate of the video here is 15.92Mbps which is fine. However the other 65.00Mbps bitrate here presents a problem for us. This is the "header bitrate" and Blu-ray only allows a maximum of 40Mbps headers. So we need to run our MPEG-2 element file through Restream (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Restream) and change the header bitrate. Making it 40 is just fine. This will not alter the video or effect the quality in any way. If your stream is already 40 or below then you can skip this step.

Now you should have your audio and video elements. Go to your Start Menu > Programs\Sonic\Scenarist Workgroup\Blu-ray Disc Authoring\Utilities and open MUI Generator. Click Browse and open your video file. Click the Create Files button. When its done you will get a message saying "MUI Generator End." Now do the same for your audio track(s). If all goes well it will create a bunch of files in the same directory as your audio and video. The important ones are .ves.

We are ready to load the main application now called Scenarist HDMV. Click on New Project in the toolbar, give it a nice name, and check the box for "Auto-create Project Folder". Choose a directory that has enough space, preferably one on a different physical drive from your source files so the muxing will go faster. Select the Data Tree tab on the left and select the Data Editor tab on the right. Drag your video.ves and audio.ves files into the Data Editor window on the right. You can add multiple audio tracks. Select the StreamTree tab on the left and right-click on "Clip" and select New > Clip > Movie Application. Drag your video onto Clip#1 and select Primary Video in the popup window. Now drag your audio onto Clip#1. Right click on "Stream" and select New > Playlist. Click the plus to expand the playlist. Drag Clip#1 onto PlayItem#1. Click OK on the popup.

Select the Scenario Editor tab on the right. Move the two boxes apart to give yourself some room. Right-click on the FirstPlayback box and select Set MovieObject and click OK on the popup. Now do the same thing for the TopMenu box. Right-click on an open space below and select New > HDMV Title. Go up to the toolbar, click on the "Connect" button and select "Jump" from the dropdown menu. Drag a line from the "cmd" box of FirstPlayback to the Title box. Now drag a line from the "cmd" box of TopMenu to the Title box. Drag Playlist#1 from the left onto the MO box.

Select the Stream Editor tab on the right. You will see a timeline on the bottom and a single chapter mark called PLMark#1. Right click anywhere in the timeline and select Insert > PlayListMark and click OK on the popup. Congratulations you've just added a chapter mark. Add as many as you like.

Now go to Tool > CPS. Click on the Settings button. Here you can set things like Copy Control, Image Constraint Token and Digital Only Token. Obviously we wouldn't want these silly things on our discs so set them accordingly. Back in the main CPS Editor window go to the CP/CMF tab and you can set the Region Code here.

Save your project and close Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

Change the 3 to a 0 (zero). This will prevent the disc from being flagged as encrypted. This is very important. If you do not perform this step your disc will NOT work.

Start Scenarist again and open your project back up. Do NOT touch anything at all in Scenarist at this point or it may reset the CPI setting again. Now we are ready to mux. Go to the Start Menu ... Utilities and load Mux Remoting Server. You don't need to do anything here so go back to Scenarist HDMV. Click on the MUX button on the toolbar. Check the box for "Not create the disc image file". Click MUX Start and away we go. Depending on the length of your video this will take a few minutes. When the box turns green you are done so click Close and go ahead and quit Scenarist and Mux Server.

You will find your final files in ProjectFolder\Output\MUX\Disc\DB. Go ahead and delete the AACS folder since we don't want any part of such nonsense. Don't worry your data is not encrypted and neither will your disc be. If you have PowerDVD Ultra version 7.3.3319a or earlier you can test your files right now. Unfortunately they disabled playback from hard drive in later versions. Even for your own authored discs. :mad:

You are now ready to burn. We will use ImgBurn 2.4.0.0 (http://www.imgburn.com/). First go to Tools > Settings > Write and check the box for "DVD-RAM / BD-RE FastWrite". Now in the main window select "Write files/folders to disc". In the Options tab on the right select UDF for the File System and 2.50 for the UDF Revision. This is VERY important. Do not skip this step or your disc will not work. Drag your BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders into the root level of the disc and burn.

At 2x speed it takes 45mins to burn a full BD25 and 90mins to burn a full BD50. Needless to say you should be using BD-RE re-writable media for all your burns until you are completely comfortable with the process. You can skip the verify to save time since you can erase the disc anyway.

Congratulations you have just made a professionally authored BDMV format Blu-ray disc!

[benes]

Here is how you can author HDDVD format EVO files to Blu-ray. Use EVOdemux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/EVOdemux) to demux your Evo. Choose the main video stream and whatever audio stream(s) you want. In the options check the box for "continue with the next EVO" if your source is split into 2 evo files. If the audio is DTS-HD it should work on Blu-ray. Unfortunately DD+ and TrueHD tracks from HDDVD are not compatible with Blu-ray. But no worries we can simply convert them to another codec with eac3to (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966).

If the video is AVC use h264info (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138139) to process the stream first. NOTE: Being an Alpha tool it will not work on all titles. If you encounter such a stream submit it to the author so it can get updated. Until then your only other option is to re-encode the video.

If the video is VC-1 use vc1conv (http://www.w6rz.net/) to remove the pulldown flags from the stream. This will allow the stream to be authored as 1080p. Obviously if you have one of the few discs with TRUE interlaced video (such as Nature's Journey) then you would not perform this step.

MPEG-2 streams will work as is. If you happen to have a rare MPEG-2 HDDVD that is 1080p you can use PULLDOWN.exe (http://www.inwards.com/inwards/?id=36) to remove the pulldown flags.

Thats basically all you have to do. From here on use the Scenarist guide to author starting with the MUI Generator step.

A Cool Extra: If you have any recent Sony movie you may have noticed that it displays the name and a picture on your PS3. Well you can add this to your own discs as well! Just copy over the META folder from a Sony disc into your own project. Change the pictures to your liking but you will probably have to keep the same dimensions. They are in jpg format. You can open the .xml file and change the name of the disc. This makes your discs look very professional. :)

There is obviously a LOT more to Scenarist than what is in this guide. Some things you can experiment with are adding multiple titles, playlists, clips, etc. And of course menus. You can even create Profile 1.1 PiP video AND Profile 2.0 discs. Don't be afraid to explore everything in the program.

Alternative: Ulead with the HD plugin will also create BDMV format discs but only MPEG-2. It has some advantages though. For one it will accept a transport stream as input and it will not re-encode compliant video and audio. It also will create the menus for you. The program is very easy to use. Unless you have a specific reason to use Scenarist this might be the way to go.

DVDit Pro HD and Adobe Encore CS3 also make BDMV format discs.

[benes]

post reserved.

[space2001]

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I have tons of avc files from my DVR that I would like to put on Blu-ray, but they are not complient.

[cinemeccanica]

Good Job benes!! thank you

[alluringreality]

it would be great if we could a get a tool that can fix avc files so we don't have to re-encode them.

I keep reading that the Ulead software should accept m2ts. Have you tried TsRemux?

[space2001]

I have tried a whole bunch of different methods, but it introduces stuttering in the video and the audio is off. the best I have found is xmuxer Pro, but there is still audio delay on it.

it has to do with AVC on HD DVD with all the flags they put in the AVC file. I believe is its a 23.97fps but flagged as 29.97. Which is not in the blu-ray standard. VC-1 seems to work well. havn't had any problems with those.

[framura]

Hi benes,

I followed your guide to re-author some my BDs or HD-DVDs (to remove some audio launguages without any video reencoding) and my produced BDs works very well (now I would like to add some menu but it's not easy).

I have only a problem: subtitles.

With Scenarist the only sub format file accepted it's BDN (an xml file descriptor) and associated png images or exists another way to import subtitles file?

Can you help me?

TIA

P.S.: thanks for your guide :D

[Brajesh]

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content? When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2. Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only. If I use Ulead DVDMF6+ HD pack to author a BDMV, my PS3 sees the DVD-R as a "Data Disc" & won't autoplay.

All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?

[framura]

Some progress on subtitle side: I have created a BDN file with timing info from sst file (created by supread) and imported in Scenarist: it works.

I able to display subtitle with PDVD but I must to know how to set subtitle position on screen automatically but it's a start.

Bye

[MozartMan]

Have you guys authored Blu-ray to DVD-Rs w/MPEG2 content?
..........
All I want to be able to do is create a BDMV w/MPEG 2 on a DVD-R that the PS3 will autoplay properly. Can it be done?
Yes, I did.
.....
Yes, it can.

I used TSremux. It plays perfectly on PS3.
I used .TS file (1920x1080) recorded from cable broadcast on one DVD+RW disk, and I used .M2T HDV file (1440x1080i) on the second disk. With HDV file I had to demux video and audio, re-encode MPA audio track to AC3, and then mux back. Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG audio on BDMV disks.

When I use TSRemux, I end up w/an AVCHD disc, as my PS3 sees it, even though it's MPEG2.
That's the way DMZ released the latest version of TSremux so you can put MPEG-2 videos on DVDs as BDMV disk and play on PS3 or stand alones. Kudos to DMZ!
Blu-ray specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD, only AVCHD. So, TSRemux fools PS3 and makes the DVD disk to look like AVCHD disk with AVCHD video.

Disc autoplays, but no video w/sound only.
May be bad video, or bad burn.

[Brajesh]

MozartMan, I'll try doing MPEG2 as AVCHD w/TSRemux on DVD media again. When burning w/Nero, do I need to do anything special other than...
1. Choose DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Choose partition manually to UDF 2.50
3. Drag BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders to root of DVD structure
4. Label the DVD 'BD_TEST' or anything (does it matter?)
5. Burn

Do I need to set the DVD writer to "physical disc" type using Nero? ... or leave it as automatic? or DVD-ROM? Thanks.

[maxleung]

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

[MozartMan]

MozartMan, I'll try doing MPEG2 as AVCHD w/TSRemux on DVD media again. When burning w/Nero, do I need to do anything special other than...
1. Choose DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Choose partition manually to UDF 2.50
3. Drag BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders to root of DVD structure
4. Label the DVD 'BD_TEST' or anything (does it matter?)
5. Burn

Do I need to set the DVD writer to "physical disc" type using Nero? ... or leave it as automatic? or DVD-ROM? Thanks.
Your process is the same as mine. Label doesn't matter.

When you select "Manual" and choose UDF 2.50, "physical disk" should show up as default option. If not, select it.

[framura]

framura, how did you create the BDN file? Can you provide step-by-step? Thanks!

The BDN file it's a file with following format:
------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<BDN Version="0.93" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="BD-03-006-0093b BDN File Format.xsd">
<Description>
<Name Title="English" Content=""/>
<Language Code="eng"/>
<Format VideoFormat="1080p" FrameRate="23.976" DropFrame="false"/>
<Events LastEventOutTC="01:36:49:16" FirstEventInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentInTC="00:00:24:18" ContentOutTC="01:36:49:16" NumberofEvents="12" Type="Graphic"/>
</Description>
<Events>
<Event Forced="False" InTC="00:00:24:18" OutTC="00:00:26:16">
<Graphic Width="1920" Height="1080" X="0" Y="0">line0001.png</Graphic>
</Event>
..
..
..
</Events>
</BDN>
----------------------------------------------------

Various xml TAGs are autoexplicative: the above xml it's for graphic subtitle (images linexxxx.png) but it's also possible to use text subtitle (but in this case are required many others attribute, like palette, colors).

You can import a similar xml file with import BDN Scenarist function and to insert the associated PG in the clip.

To create a BDN file now I would like to develop a little program to create it from sst file (easy for Graphic BDN file, not easy for Text BDN file format).

Bye

[maxleung]

Thanks framura, that is very helpful!

[space2001]

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be

[space2001]

thanks Benes for all your help, I wonder if a BD9 will work on the ps3 now

[space2001]

I have successfully done a hd dvd to AVCHD you need a AVC structure.

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

that is where I got the structure from and you have to do some Hexediting on the playlist file, but other then that it workd really well and you can DTS 1.5mbs

first use evodemux.
then EActo to convert teh DD+ or TRUEHD to DTS or DD
Then use scenarist to author it.
after split the M2TS using the HDsplit into 4 gig(single layer) or 8.5 gig(dual layer) chunks
then use TSremux for each file and just overwrite the proper files with the AVCHD Structure and don't for get to rename the files from the mini blu-ray guide.

[dr1394]

I was able to Hexedit the header of a AVC and remove the 3:2 crap, but now I get a FrameRateCode is incorrect, does anyone know where in the header that would be
I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.


C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
profile: 100
constaint_set0_flag: 0
constaint_set1_flag: 0
constaint_set2_flag: 0
constaint_set3_flag: 0
level_idc: 41
seq parameter set id: 0
chroma format idx: 1
bit depth luma minus8: 0
bit depth chroma minus8: 0
Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
pic_order_cnt_type: 0
log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
num_ref_frames: 2
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
derived height: 1088
direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
frame_cropping_flag: 1
frame_crop_left_offset: 0
frame_crop_right_offset: 0
frame_crop_top_offset: 0
frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_idc:1
overscan_info_present_flag: 0
video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
video_format: 5
video_full_range_flag: 0
colour_description_present_flag: 1
colour_primaries: 1
transfer_characteristics: 1
matrix_coefficients: 1
chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
timing_info_present_flag: 1
num_units_in_tick: 450450 <-----------------
time_scale: 27000000 <-----------------
fixed_frame_scale: 1
nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
bit_rate_scale: 0
cpb_size_scale: 0
bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
cbr_flag[0]: 0
initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
time_offset_length: 0
vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
pic_struct_present_flag: 1
motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
num_reorder_frames: 4
max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

[bfdtv]

In http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=556357 there is talk about Movie Factory being able to accept video and not having to transcode it when going to AVCHD by 4eyes. Has anyone been able to do that and have it play as an AVCHD on the PS3? Basically we want to do the encoding and then just have Ulead accept the video and not transcode it, similar to how the Blu-ray option works for mpeg2 video. We have tried feeding it a couple mov files, but even with the "do not..." check set it still transcodes. Any ideas?I've done that.

You've got to use valid AVCHD format files. A Quicktime movie is not a valid AVCHD format file.

[Phloyd]

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.


Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.

[space2001]

I believe it's derived from timing_info. The frame rate is calculated by dividing time_scale by num_units_in_tick. In the example below, 27000000 / 450450 = 59.94. But that's an illegal frame rate if frame_mbs_only_flag = 1. It's needs to be changed to 23.976 fps. In Blu-ray AVC streams, the values num_units_in_tick = 1001 and time_scale = 48000 or num_units_in_tick = 5005 and time_scale = 240000 are used.

Also, gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag must be set to zero.


C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | more
h264_parse - mpeg4ip version 1.5.0.1
Nal length 6 start code 4 bytes
ref 0 type 9 Access unit delimeter
primary_pic_type: 0
Nal length 47 start code 4 bytes
ref 3 type 7 Sequence parameter set
profile: 100
constaint_set0_flag: 0
constaint_set1_flag: 0
constaint_set2_flag: 0
constaint_set3_flag: 0
level_idc: 41
seq parameter set id: 0
chroma format idx: 1
bit depth luma minus8: 0
bit depth chroma minus8: 0
Qpprime Y Zero Transform Bypass flag: 0
Seq Scaling Matrix Present Flag: 0
log2_max_frame_num_minus4: 12
pic_order_cnt_type: 0
log2_max_pic_order_cnt_lsb_minus4: 4
num_ref_frames: 2
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 1
pic_width_in_mbs_minus1: 119 (1920)
pic_height_in_map_minus1: 67
frame_mbs_only_flag: 1
derived height: 1088
direct_8x8_inference_flag: 1
frame_cropping_flag: 1
frame_crop_left_offset: 0
frame_crop_right_offset: 0
frame_crop_top_offset: 0
frame_crop_bottom_offset: 4
vui_parameters_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_info_present_flag: 1
aspect_ratio_idc:1
overscan_info_present_flag: 0
video_signal_info_present_flag: 1
video_format: 5
video_full_range_flag: 0
colour_description_present_flag: 1
colour_primaries: 1
transfer_characteristics: 1
matrix_coefficients: 1
chroma_loc_info_present_flag: 0
timing_info_present_flag: 1
num_units_in_tick: 450450 <-----------------
time_scale: 27000000 <-----------------
fixed_frame_scale: 1
nal_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 1
cpb_cnt_minus1: 0
bit_rate_scale: 0
cpb_size_scale: 0
bit_rate_value_minus1[0]: 359374
cpb_size_value_minus1[0]: 921599
cbr_flag[0]: 0
initial_cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 30
cpb_removal_delay_length_minus1: 7
dpb_output_delay_length_minus1: 7
time_offset_length: 0
vcl_hrd_parameters_present_flag: 0
low_delay_hrd_flag: 0
pic_struct_present_flag: 1
motion_vectors_over_pic_boundaries_flag: 1
max_bytes_per_pic_denom: 0
max_bits_per_mb_denom: 0
log2_max_mv_length_horizontal: 12
log2_max_mv_length_vertical: 12
num_reorder_frames: 4
max_dec_frame_buffering: 4

Ron

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks

[dr1394]

ron how would I change these values to make my file correct for Blu-ray I want to avoid having to rencode the video. thanks
This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:

http://www.w6rz.net/original.jpg

Edited:

http://www.w6rz.net/edited.jpg

Ron

[dr1394]

Hi Ron,

I have always wondered why HD DVD has this flag set. It would not seem reasonable for a packaged media encode to have gaps in the frame num sequence I would think...?

Do you have any insight into why AVC for HD DVD has this flag set (where, as you noted, it is not allowed in BD compatible AVC).

Just curious.
To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.

Ron

[Phloyd]

To be honest, I'm still on the learning curve with H.264 syntax. The whole frame numbering scheme seems fairly complex, and I haven't really grokked it yet.

My gut feeling is that just changing gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag to 0 may not be enough. You may have to go and fix up the frame numbers to avoid playback issues. Dunno.

It almost seems like these Blu-ray H.264 restrictions were done to specifically prevent HD-DVD content from ending up on Blu-ray.


Perhaps.

With respect to the frame gap thing, the frame num variable for AVC is one of the strangest things I have seen for quite some time in 'syntax' space. That said, the gap flag seems to me to be a mechanism for broadcast to allow for frames dropped due to outages. I could be wrong, but that is what it seems to me.

So it seems very odd to enable it for a packaged media encode.

I am sure that if there were gaps in the frame_num sequence it would cause at least a little problem for the decoder if that flag was not set. I was kinda hoping you would know ... perhaps we should ask Amir. :D

[alluringreality]

Is there any chance that the ps3bdfix from http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12369935#post12369935 would work to get BDMV on DVD from Ulead Movie Factory to play on the PS3 as an AVCHD? From reading the thread I got the impression that might not be the issue with why BDMV on DVD will work on my BDP-S1 but not on the PS3.

[space2001]

This is just for the frame rate.

Original HD-DVD H.264 elementary stream:

http://www.w6rz.net/original.jpg

Edited:

http://www.w6rz.net/edited.jpg

Ron

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

[Phloyd]

I get an error in mui generator

invalid timing info(DTS of 12th AU is not greater than DTS of previous AU

The header shown appears in the stream many times - you will need to change all of them to be consistent.

[space2001]

thanks

[space2001]

ok problem the file I am hexediting is 21 gigs after I hexedit it the file is only 600 megs, I don't think its opening the whole file.

I am using XVI32 for it, am I doing something wrong.

Thanks

[dr1394]

ok problem the file I am hexediting is 21 gigs after I hexedit it the file is only 600 megs, I don't think its opening the whole file.

I am using XVI32 for it, am I doing something wrong.

Thanks
I don't think XVI32 will work on really large files. On my old laptop (with only 256 MB of RAM), it usually fails to even open large files.

The more I think about this issue, the more I think it's futile (at least with a hex editor).

Ron

[space2001]

yah I tired a diffrent hex editor but I keep running out of swap space

going to try on my other computer and see if I can get it to work it has more space

[Pascal Bourgeois]

A real and great thank to you for your short "user guide".
THis allowed me to do my first steps in blue ray professionnal authoring !;)

[Phloyd]

The more I think about this issue, the more I think it's futile (at least with a hex editor).


I tend to agree, unless you can find one that can 'edit in place' and will do a 'replace all' kind of function.

Something else to note is that once you change all of the time ratios (and fix the illegal flag) you will still need to change the pulldown flags to 'frames' and fix the buffer delays - these kinds of things would be very difficult with a hex editor.

If you don't do those things, it will simply do the same thing that it does now only at 24/30 the original speed...

[space2001]

I have done 2 replacement on a 1 gig file and it works perfectly with no problems.

so now I just have to figure out a way to do it to a 21 gig file.

[dr1394]

I have done 2 replacement on a 1 gig file and it works perfectly with no problems.

so now I just have to figure out a way to do it to a 21 gig file.
That's encouraging. I have a small command window program that you can use to chop a big file into smaller chunks.

http://www.w6rz.net/clip.zip

The usage is:

clip <infile> <outfile> <start offset> <length>

For example:

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip0.mpv 0 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip1.mpv 1000000000 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip2.mpv 2000000000 1000000000

clip bits0001.mpv bitsclip3.mpv 3000000000 1000000000

and so on.

Then you can reassemble with copy /b bitsclip0.mpv+bitsclip1.mpv+bitsclip2.mpv+bitsclip3.mpv editedclips.mpv

Ron

[space2001]

dr1394 that is great only problem with that is if I cut it wrong I could cut it accross one of the headers and then can screw up the file.

[dr1394]

dr1394 that is great only problem with that is if I cut it wrong I could cut it accross one of the headers and then can screw up the file.
Yes, but you could manually check the end of each file. Or you could check the reassembled file with h264_parse and grep.

http://www.w6rz.net/h264_parse.zip

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/grep.htm

For example:

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep time_scale
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000
time_scale: 48000

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep num_units
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001
num_units_in_tick: 1001

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep pict_struct
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0
pict_struct: 0

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep gaps_in_frame
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0
gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag: 0

Since it's a huge file, save the output into a file.

C:\xfer>h264_parse bits0001.mpv | grep time_scale > check_time_scale.txt

Ron

[space2001]

I found a good hex editor but I am still having problems with the audio delay.

beside the video portion in EVODemux it says +83ms

so I put an audio delay of 1:23 in scenarist but it still is off

also now there is pixelation in the video every little bit which something tells me hexediting the video screwed it up some how.

[framura]

Some other news about BD subtitles: to create a BDN file format and to convert a subtitle file (like srt o sub format) I found EZConvert (http://www.eztitles.com/index.php?page=19).

This program it's able to convert a srt file and to create PNG 8 bit images and relative BDN file: it's perfect to work with Scenarist HDMV.

Only drawback: it's not free (I used a trial version).

Bye

[Phloyd]

beside the video portion in EVODemux it says +83ms

so I put an audio delay of 1:23 in scenarist but it still is off


83 ms is 2 frames at 24 fps.

[jdatpslp]

Does anyone know of a method for burning a Blu-ray disk with multichannel uncompressed PCM audio? I have Sony Vegas Pro 8 and apparently it only supports stereo PCM, a big disappointment since it otherwise will burn a BDMV right off the timeline. Thanks.

[cinemeccanica]

After wasting more than one moth in tests on this, I discovered the ONLY way is to USE Sonic Scenarist BDA 4.3. The 4.2 edition won't allow you to add a multichannel PCM track, the wav 5.1 multichanel doesn't match the LPCM channel mapping required by scenarist, and even if you remap the wav to lpcm with eac3to having the correct channel mapping, scenarist 4.2 will give you a read error. The 4.3 version (for the cheap price of $60000) allows to load up to 8 separate mono wav files and so the problem is solved. I suggest you to forget Nero and DVDit pro because they re-encode the video streamand also Adobe Encore (really the worst one). Ulead HD power pack for movie factory is good (it does not re-encode streams) but cannot accept elementary streams, so you cannot give it a .m2v or .h264 or .vc-1 video file plus varoius separate audio tracks to make a multi audio track disc. So the best way (and the only one if you are a serius user) is Scenarist, or if you are so lucky Bluprint

[jdatpslp]

It is my understanding that there are ways around the file size limit (which isn't an issue for me anyway). I checked DVDit Pro HD and it too appears limited to stereo PCM. 60 grand for Scenarist? Nope, that is more than my entire project budget! Blu-print meshes nicely with Vegas. Wonder how much that little "add-on" would cost :)

[maxleung]

jdatpslp: I talked to Sony sales and Blu-print is $60,000. To evaluate it you need to use a hardware dongle that you ship back to them after the trial period is over or else they charge you the full price. :)

[cinemeccanica]

I contacted SONY too and requested the trial version of Blu Print with a 30 day Dongle.After the trail period you'll have to re-ship the software and dongle, but this is OK for me.Anyway they state you must have a D&B number http://www.dnb.com/us/ but I'm a private user, not a part of any company. So I cannot be eligile for trying such a software. :(

[Phloyd]

I believe that there is (or at least was) a number of bugs with Sox and multichannel WAVe files. For that reason, trying to do multichannel WAV with programs that use Sox for conversion is doomed to much sadness and failure. If you have a hex editor handy and can work out the problems by looking at the WAV specification, I believe it is possible to patch the Sox output so that it will work.

[MKANET]

I just tried making a blu-ray BD-RE movie disc using Nero 8. When I tried to play the disc in my PS3, I get the following error:

This Video Cannot be played
(80029945)

What am I doing wrong? Is there a simple and cheap software that just works? Or, do I have to be an assembly language programmer to do this? Unbelievable...

[MozartMan]

I just tried making a blu-ray BD-RE movie disc using Nero 8. When I tried to play the disc in my PS3, I get the following error:

This Video Cannot be played
(80029945)

What am I doing wrong? Is there a simple and cheap software that just works? Or, do I have to be an assembly language programmer to do this? Unbelievable...
Did you author and burn with Nero, or did you just burn with Nero?
If you only burned with Nero, what did you use to author movie disk?
What UDF version did you use when you burned with Nero?
What firmware do you have on your PS3?
Need more info.

I author BDMV with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack, and then burn with Nero 7 to BD-RE. No problem with PS3.

[MKANET]

I just open Nero Vision 8, make blu-ray disc (editable blu-ray disc) drag n drop the video into it... and select Burn. I bought PS3 about 1 year ago. I havent upgraded the PS3 firmware. I did get a warning message about the UDF not being compatible with XP.

So... what kid of somersaults do I need to do to make this work?

Basically I did what I was supposed to do... going by "it just works" school of thought.

Did you author and burn with Nero, or did you just burn with Nero?
If you only burned with Nero, what did you use to author movie disk?
What UDF version did you use when you burned with Nero?
What firmware do you have on your PS3?
Need more info.

I author BDMV with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack, and then burn with Nero 7 to BD-RE. No problem with PS3.

[MozartMan]

I just open Nero Vision 8, make blu-ray disc (editable blu-ray disc) drag n drop the video into it... and select Burn.
I forgot to ask in my previous post, what kind of video are you trying to burn?
Is it .TS, .M2TS, .M2T, or something else? Does Nero re-encode the video?
What does PS3 says when disk is loading, BDMV or BDAV?

I bought PS3 about 1 year ago. I havent upgraded the PS3 firmware. I did get a warning message about the UDF not being compatible with XP.You better upgrade firmware because it may fix your playback problems.

[MKANET]

Mpeg2 1080i. Nothing special. Nero re-encodes it just fine and burns without errors. I dont think it gets too far with the disk loading in the PS3... I just noticed the error message. This disc plays with stuttering on the PC using PowerDVD. I dont have trouble playing Blu-ray commercial discs with on the PC or the PS3.

I forgot to ask in my previous post, what kind of video are you trying to burn?
Is it .TS, .M2TS, .M2T, or something else? Does Nero re-encode the video?
What does PS3 says when disk is loading, BDMV or BDAV?

You better upgrade firmware because it may fix your playback problems.

[MozartMan]

Mpeg2 1080i. Nothing special. Nero re-encodes it just fine and burns without errors. I dont think it gets too far with the disk loading in the PS3... I just noticed the error message. This disc plays with stuttering on the PC using PowerDVD. I dont have trouble playing Blu-ray commercial discs with on the PC or the PS3.
Here is some clues for you.
I suspect that Nero re-encodes MPEG-2 into AVC and makes AVCHD disk which is not supported by early firmware on PS3. You need to upgrade your firmware.

[MKANET]

Ill look into this and report back. I know that all the Blu-ray commercial discs Ive played on the PS3 have never given that error message before. The chances of ALL the discs not being AVC are pretty slim.

Here is some clues for you.
I suspect that Nero re-encodes MPEG-2 into AVC and makes AVCHD disk which is not supported by early firmware on PS3. You need to upgrade your firmware.

[space2001]

hey benes I got the video into scenarist, and that all worked great, but now there is some pixellation. I think it because of the hex edit,which is weird since I only changed the headers. don't know why that would affect the video in any way. and the audio for me is still off.

going to keep trying.

[dr1394]

hey benes I got the video into scenarist, and that all worked great, but now there is some pixellation. I think it because of the hex edit,which is weird since I only changed the headers. don't know why that would affect the video in any way. and the audio for me is still off.

going to keep trying.
There's many reasons why the hex edit could affect the playback. You may want to verify the edited bitstream with the H.264 reference decoder.

http://www.w6rz.net/ldecod_patch.zip

Use the command line:

ldecod -i edited.mpv -o nul

This will decode the bitstream, but not output any YUV (because the YUV file would be gigantic for a full-length movie). If there are any bitstream syntax problems, ldecod will print an error and terminate. Be warned that ldecod is very slow, so it's an overnight run kind of thing (assuming no errors).

Ron

[ckelly33]

Is there any software out there that will allow you to create great Bluray menus (?possibly even 'pop-up' menus??)? I bought several over the summer but was looking at Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ & HD Pack but the support for good menus seems limited to only HD-DVD by that product's description.

Recommendations?

[Fotis_Greece]

If anyone was using my Scenarist guide I updated it with some info on setting Copy controls and Region codes. We want to keep our discs as open as possible. ;)

Where is this guide?

[MozartMan]

Where is this guide?

Here, page 26:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12369935#post12369935

[space2001]

ok I was able to get the video with no glitches, I changed all the 81 E0 01 which is what caused the glitch, I only changed it on the first appearence.

[space2001]

ok so I still have an audio delay when I do an offset for the audio of 2 seconds it actually starts the audio earlier

and checking the timeline.

I converted the eac3 to a dts still trying to figure this out

[space2001]

ok found the problem with my audio now just have to find a way to correct it, after changing all the flags now the video coming into scenarist is 2:58 ( I should have noticed this before) the audio is 2:23. so the video thinks its longer then it is.

[Phloyd]

ok found the problem with my audio now just have to find a way to correct it, after changing all the flags now the video coming into scenarist is 2:58 ( I should have noticed this before) the audio is 2:23. so the video thinks its longer then it is.

That is indeed the case. I mentioned it in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12434414#post12434414) in the last sentence.

The problem is that for HD DVD the frames are tagged as fields, and in some cases 2 fields, some cases 3 fields (to give 3:2 pulldown). So the first thing you need to do is to change all of those tags to be frames.

Secondly, and I am not sure how important this is, the buffer timings should also be changed since they are set up for 3:2 pulldown also. These should be adjusted to better match 24 fps than 30 fps.

This information can be found in the Picture timing SEI message semantics section of the spec. The pict_struct has the frame/field thing and cpb_removal_delay and dpb_output_delay are the buffer timing parameters. You should be able to see these values in the h264_parse.exe output.

Have fun!

[space2001]

That is indeed the case. I mentioned it in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12434414#post12434414) in the last sentence.

The problem is that for HD DVD the frames are tagged as fields, and in some cases 2 fields, some cases 3 fields (to give 3:2 pulldown). So the first thing you need to do is to change all of those tags to be frames.

Secondly, and I am not sure how important this is, the buffer timings should also be changed since they are set up for 3:2 pulldown also. These should be adjusted to better match 24 fps than 30 fps.

This information can be found in the Picture timing SEI message semantics section of the spec. The pict_struct has the frame/field thing and cpb_removal_delay and dpb_output_delay are the buffer timing parameters. You should be able to see these values in the h264_parse.exe output.

Have fun!


wow it may be faster for me to reencode this damn thing for how much time I have spent on it. wish someone woud create a tool that could do this all for us

[MozartMan]

Nero 8 has received certification for authoring and playback of writeable Blu-ray Disc Video (BDMV) titles and, with the new update, now supports advanced and interactive features for High Definition audio and video. The certifications were presented by Sony Corporation’s Blu-ray Disc testing center and ensure maximum compatibility with other Blu-ray devices for trouble-free operation.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/New-features-for-Nero-8-Press-Release.html

http://www.nero.com/enu/bluray-hddvd-video-plugin.html

I am wondering how Nero is going to stand up against Ulead DVDMF 6+ with HD pack.

Anybody has this latest Nero 8 with Blu-Ray/HD DVD Video Plug-in?

[Paultje66]

Is there a free solution to convert .sup files to a scenarist compatible one?(bdn)

[framura]

Is there a free solution to convert .sup files to a scenarist compatible one?(bdn)

I am developed a little vbs script to convert sst file (created from supread) to a bdn file but my problem are the images extracted from sup file: scenarist doesn't import them.

Do you have any idea?

[Paultje66]

I am developed a little vbs script to convert sst file (created from supread) to a bdn file but my problem are the images extracted from sup file: scenarist doesn't import them.

Do you have any idea?

No sorry. Dont know anything yet about subs:(

[creator441]

That is indeed the case. I mentioned it in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12434414#post12434414) in the last sentence.

The problem is that for HD DVD the frames are tagged as fields, and in some cases 2 fields, some cases 3 fields (to give 3:2 pulldown). So the first thing you need to do is to change all of those tags to be frames.

Secondly, and I am not sure how important this is, the buffer timings should also be changed since they are set up for 3:2 pulldown also. These should be adjusted to better match 24 fps than 30 fps.

This information can be found in the Picture timing SEI message semantics section of the spec. The pict_struct has the frame/field thing and cpb_removal_delay and dpb_output_delay are the buffer timing parameters. You should be able to see these values in the h264_parse.exe output.

Have fun!

Phloyd,

How are you doing?

I am on this exact problem but I was fortunate enough to find a blu-ray compliant version of the hddvd movie so the job is "already done". I tested the file on my PS3 and all plays perfectly. Now, the problem is to replicate that on any HD-DVD 29.97fps AVC video to convert it correctly to blu-ray 23.976fps AVC video.

As you mentioned above, the main problem seems to be the buffer values. I have no idea why they change how they do between my two files. Maybe I should read the documentation you mentioned about the SEI structures but even so I wonder if I will understand something.

I compared both files (hd-dvd and blu-ray) with elecard stream analyzer and I got mainly the following differences:

In every H264 SEI structure, the guy replaced pic_struct from whatever value it was before (it changes in the 29.97 file from HEI structure to another) to 0 all the time (0 = frame instead of interlaced). The num_clock_ts is also changed to always be equal to 1. The cpb_removal_delay changes compared to the 29.97 file but the value of the change differs each time. Same thing for dpb_output_delay.

In every H264 Sequence Parameter Set, the guy changed the gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag from 1 to 0 but we already knew that. Also, in the same sequence parameter set, he changed num_units_in_tick from 1001 in the 29.97fps file to 5005 in the 23.976fps file. He changed the time_scale from 60000 in the 29.97fps file to 240000 in the 23.976fps file.

In each of the P slices he ADDED some three new elements in the 23.976 compared to the 29.97. Here are the elements:

pred_weight_table()
luma_log2_weight_denom=0
chroma_log2_weight_denom=0

Now, the hard to figure out parts in all this are the "cpb_removal_delay" and "dpb_output_delay" flags in each H264 SEI structure. I can't figure out the pattern after checking it out a little (will continue to check).

TO help you guys see it more clearly, I created two files using elecard stream analyzer. Those presents the entire structures of the first 5 megabytes of each of the files. I named the hd-dvd compliant file "hddvd_29_97.txt" and the bluray one "bluray_23_976.txt".

Do a compare on those two files using any standard text file compare program and you should easily see the differences between the two files.

I hope somebody can figure something out so that we can apply the same thing to any HD-DVD 29.97fps avc movie file to make them blu-ray compliant.

A program probably was used to do this reverse pulldown conversion without recompressing the file but which one? I doubt an hex edit of the entire file was done.

[creator441]

I still want to figure out how to modify an HD-DVD avc 29.97fps stream to avc 23.976 blu-ray compliant one but for now I decided to do a ppf patch for people who want to convert their copy of Transformers HD-DVD to blu-ray. You will need the original HD-DVD movie to be able to use this patch.

This is only a small patch that will hex modify your HD-DVD avc elementary stream of Transformers to transform it from 29.97 HD-DVD format to 23.976 blu-ray format.

You will need ppf-o-matic 3.0 to apply the ppf patch file. The program can be found here:

http://www.planete-pes.com/mydownloads-singlefile.cid-19-lid-142.htm

You will also need to download the ppf patch here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/78893320/Transformers_avc_hddvd_to_bluray_patch.zip.html

Then, you need to start ppf-o-matic 3.0 and choose your avc elementary file from the hd-dvd that you obtained after using evodemux and open that file in the "ISO Image" box and open the ppf patch in the "Patch" box and then click Apply. Note that the avc file will be directly edited by this operation and that it will take quite a while to apply.

After that, you should be able to use the resulting avc file to author a blu-ray compliant disc.

NOTE: This only works for Transformers. It won't work for other HD-DVD AVC releases.

Happy holidays to all!

[Paultje66]

WoW thanx alot creator 441

[Kanowsky]

I've been trying to run avc stream from Blu-Ray through MUI Generator.
avc stream was demuxed with xport 1.0 from 1 big m2ts file.
So the error i got was:
Invalid timing info(DTS of 71567h Au is not greater then DTS of previous AU)

Well i'm not hoping someone tells me exactly what to do, because avc has a very complicated structure, but may be someone could give me a hint what is wrong with "dts of 71567h AU" or more more specific explanation of what this error means?

I've looked through this topic and checked values for the parameters in my avc stream.They seem to be correct:
num_units_in_tick: 5005
time_scale: 240000

and all values for gaps_in_frame_num_value_allowed_flag are zeroes.


All answers are very much appreciated!!!:)

[Kanowsky]

Hmm you would think video from a Blu-ray would be Blu-ray compliant for authoring. :p Its possible there was an error with the ripping or the demuxing process.

Well, I would suppose that video from BD was more compliant for authoring than from HD DVD :)
I tried to demux avc stream with all possible demuxers - same error.
Well, re-ripping also tried but only one more time.

Does anyone have a positive experience in authoring avc stream from Blu-Ray in Scenarist? If someone does, then please name the movie title so I could give it a try.

[Kanowsky]

Are you joining multiple m2ts files before demuxing? That usually can cause errors. Try only doing one m2ts file from the disc as a test.

Also if you happen to be using any recent Fox disc it will not work since they are not fully decryptable.

I demuxed avc stream only from one m2ts file so no joining here.
The whole movie is in one huge 20gb file actually:)

It was rather old Sony release of Revenge Director's Cut, so no BD+.
Also, no Java present on disc.

benes, thanx for participation in discussion.;)

[framura]

Well, I would suppose that video from BD was more compliant for authoring than from HD DVD :)
I tried to demux avc stream with all possible demuxers - same error.
Well, re-ripping also tried but only one more time.

Does anyone have a positive experience in authoring avc stream from Blu-Ray in Scenarist? If someone does, then please name the movie title so I could give it a try.


Hi,

I have same problem with Dracula Blu-Ray: my error is

DTS of 15288h Au is not greater then DTS of previous AU

I tried to demux ith tsremux and xmuxer with same error: and now how can I author my BD with AVC video stream if Scenarist doesn't works? :confused:

Do you have any solution?

TIA

[Phloyd]

Phloyd,

How are you doing?

I am fine - had a great holiday break :D

I am on this exact problem but I was fortunate enough to find a blu-ray compliant version of the hddvd movie so the job is "already done".

...

I compared both files (hd-dvd and blu-ray) with elecard stream analyzer and I got mainly the following differences:

The cpb_removal_delay changes compared to the 29.97 file but the value of the change differs each time. Same thing for dpb_output_delay.

In each of the P slices he ADDED some three new elements in the 23.976 compared to the 29.97.

Now, the hard to figure out parts in all this are the "cpb_removal_delay" and "dpb_output_delay" flags in each H264 SEI structure. I can't figure out the pattern after checking it out a little (will continue to check).


It has been a while since I looked at these things but iirc, the cpb counts up and the dpb is zero or a value.

The thing to do is to see what cpb counts up to before it resets to zero and then make it count up to 30/24 that amount. IE, if it counts up to 30, make it count up to 24. If it counts to 15, make it count to 12.

For the dpb I believe the sum is the key - basically in each sequence of the cpb counter, you will see it counts up to a certain number and then resets. Basically the dpb values in that sequence should sum to the same number (?) as the cpb counts to. So you need to change them by the same ratio. So 0 7 0 8 0 7 0 8 sums to 30 - change to 0 6 0 6 0 6 0 6 to get to 24... that sort of thing.

The above is from my fading memory on New Years Day so it may not be 100% ;) But hopefully you will get the idea from that.

I don't know anything about added elements in the P slices.

For more research I would suggest using your analyzer on other streams such as Disney AVC from a BD. That should give you a target for compliant AVC for BD authoring.

Have fun!

A program probably was used to do this reverse pulldown conversion without recompressing the file but which one? I doubt an hex edit of the entire file was done.

I don't know of any program available to do this. I imagine it was done using hand crafted software.

[CDP]

Hi,
I have been reading this thread to try to get my HD source on BD-R and BD-RE, I have the Sony BWU-100A, using Powerproducer 3.7. I have tried many of the stand alone Blu Ray players and the only one that works with BDAV is the panasonic DMP-BD30, it reads and plays BD-R and BD-RE dics made with powerproducer.

CDP

[MozartMan]

Hi,
I have been reading this thread to try to get my HD source on BD-R and BD-RE, I have the Sony BWU-100A, using Powerproducer 3.7. I have tried many of the stand alone Blu Ray players and the only one that works with BDAV is the panasonic DMP-BD30, it reads and plays BD-R and BD-RE dics made with powerproducer.

CDP

BDAV and PowerProducer suck. You should forget it.

Try TSRemux. It's free. It makes BDMV disk structure with AVCHD tag.
Then you can use Nero to burn to BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-R/RW - 5/9 disks. It should play in every player.

I have a lot of .TS files from Comcast. Works great. Here is link:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

Or if you have extra $100 dollars, buy Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with HD pack, and you will able to author Blu-ray BDMV disks with menus.

[TObject]

BDAV and PowerProducer suck. You should forget it.

Try TSRemux...

How exactly is this TsRemux thing supposed to make Blu-ray disks? I have a bunch of MPEG2 and AVCHD videos that I want to make into a Blu-ray disk without re-encoding. When I try to open an MPG file in the TsRemux I get the “Object reference not set to an instance of an object” error. Can this thing work with multiple videos? Or is this for one file per disk only?

[MozartMan]

How exactly is this TsRemux thing supposed to make Blu-ray disks?
1. Load MPEG file
2. Click Browse button for the Output File and select empty folder, not file
3. Check the check box for the video and audio stream
4. Click Blu-Ray radio button
5. Set Chapter length in minutes you want.

TSRemux will create BDMV structure in your chosen folder with two directories: BDMV and CERTIFICATE.

Then you can use Nero to burn those two directories to BD-R/RE, DVD+R/RW. But you have to manually select UDF 2.5 file system.

I have a bunch of MPEG2 and AVCHD videos that I want to make into a Blu-ray disk without re-encoding.
TSRemux doesn't re-encode

When I try to open an MPG file in the TsRemux I get the “Object reference not set to an instance of an object” error.
May be bad MPEG file.

Can this thing work with multiple videos? Or is this for one file per disk only?
One file per disk. If you want more than one file, you can join them with HDTVtoMPEG2 application (it is also free)

[TObject]

Thank you for the prompt and detail answers. It looks like I want something other than TsRemux, as I want to create Blu-ray disks with menus and multiple streams.

I have a lot of high definition video material: both, from an AVCHD camera (Panasonic HDC-SD1) and computer generated MPEG 2 videos. I want to author these projects to Blu-ray disks, with menus, and chapters.

I tried using Nero Vision version 5.2.7.0 (part of the Nero 8 suite). It kind of works, but it is unstable (it often blows up while creating larger projects), and I can’t find a way to stop Nero from re-encoding my video files.

Perhaps I’ll give the Ulead DVD Movie Factory a try. Is it possible to have it not re-encode original content, or is it as bad as Nero in this respect?

[alluringreality]

Perhaps I’ll give the Ulead DVD Movie Factory a try. Is it possible to have it not re-encode original content, or is it as bad as Nero in this respect?

For AVCHD I know it can accept H264 m2ts without transcoding. For BDMV I've seen it accept mpeg2 without transcoding (I haven't tried H264).

[MozartMan]

Thank you for the prompt and detail answers. It looks like I want something other than TsRemux, as I want to create Blu-ray disks with menus and multiple streams. I have a lot of high definition video material: both, from an AVCHD camera (Panasonic HDC-SD1) and computer generated MPEG 2 videos. I want to author these projects to Blu-ray disks, with menus, and chapters.
You should by Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with HD Pack then. It's the cheapest solution for Blu-ray authoring now.
I tried using Nero Vision version 5.2.7.0 (part of the Nero 8 suite). It kind of works, but it is unstable (it often blows up while creating larger projects), and I can’t find a way to stop Nero from re-encoding my video files.
I only use Nero for burning. No authoring with Nero for me.
Perhaps I’ll give the Ulead DVD Movie Factory a try. Is it possible to have it not re-encode original content, or is it as bad as Nero in this respect?
Yes. I am at work right now and cannot verify exact location, but there check box in Setup Options, or Project Properties, that says something like that: “Do not recompress compliant streams”. You will have to check it. Also make sure you project template matches your video file.

[TObject]

Great, fantastic, it looks like this may be exactly what I need. One last question: in BDMV mode does the Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack only support MPEG 2 streams output, or will it include MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, as long as I give it proper files?

Thank you

[alluringreality]

I might be able to test it to some extent. If you want to upload a small clip from your AVCHD camera I could see if it works (filesend.net seems like a good site). The thing about H264 with AVCHD (probably also applies to BDMV if it works) is that you have to feed the progam m2ts with audio. The format is not very popular and we are having a difficult time finding ways to create that format at 24p for our calibration disk project without expensive software. If you're wanting to maybe put video camera files on disk it might work like a charm, but if you're trying to put movies on disk it could very well be a major pain unless you want to just use Ulead to transcode to H264 interlaced files. Your original question was about avoiding transcoding, so I'm not entirely sure if the Ulead option really fits with your intent. The major thing we've run into for our use is that m2ts doesn't seem like an easy format to create outside of the Ulead software.

[CDP]

Hi,
I have been trying to make a BDMV with TsRemux and Nero burning ROM. But it wont play on my stand alone Blu-Ray Player. Can someone please give a step by step instruction for burning Blu- Ray DVD, Please!! I do OK with the TsRemus part, But when I get to trying to burn it will only play on my computer Sony BWU-100A. Please give detailed instructions for NERO Burning.
I choose Blu-Ray then UDF 2.5, do I choose physical or Virutal Partition?


CDP

[MozartMan]

Hi,
I have been trying to make a BDMV with TsRemux and Nero burning ROM. But it wont play on my stand alone Blu-Ray Player. Can someone please give a step by step instruction for burning Blu- Ray DVD, Please!! I do OK with the TsRemus part, But when I get to trying to burn it will only play on my computer Sony BWU-100A. Please give detailed instructions for NERO Burning.
I choose Blu-Ray then UDF 2.5, do I choose physical or Virutal Partition?


CDP

I always choose UDF 2.5 Physical Partition

Now question to you:

What version of TSRemux do you use?

The issue may be:

If you use TSRemux version before 0.18 with MPEG-2 video and try to burn BDMV folder to DVD-R/RW it will not play on PS3 and other stand alone.
This is because BD specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD 5/9, only AVCHD video files.

But version 0.18 and now 0.19 puts AVCHD disk tag in those two .hdmv files inside BDMV folder, so it fools PS3 and other (I think) standalone players, so they think it is AVCHD disk on DVD 5/9 with AVCHD video.

[CDP]

Mozart man
Are you from Michigan? I see Hockey Town by your Name. I am from Michigan.

CDP

[MozartMan]

Mozart man
Are you from Michigan? I see Hockey Town by your Name. I am from Michigan.

CDP

Yeah. Metro Detroit.
Go Wings!

[CDP]

Mozart Man,
I am in Clarkston, sent you a PM. Repy so we can talk.

CDP

[CDP]

Mozart Man,
[I always choose UDF 2.5 Physical Partition

Now question to you:

What version of TSRemux do you use?

The issue may be:

If you use TSRemux version before 0.18 with MPEG-2 video and try to burn BDMV folder to DVD-R/RW it will not play on PS3 and other stand alone.
This is because BD specs don't allow MPEG-2 on DVD 5/9, only AVCHD video files.

But version 0.18 and now 0.19 puts AVCHD disk tag in those two .hdmv files inside BDMV folder, so it fools PS3 and other (I think) standalone players, so they think it is AVCHD disk on DVD 5/9 with AVCHD video.]
I am burning to BD-RE. What is DVD 5/9?

CDP

[billiam]

I am burning to BD-RE. What is DVD 5/9? CDP

Single layer DVD-/+R = DVD5
Dual layer DVD-/+R = DVD9

[sicbomb]

I stipped the HD DVD EVO files of Transformers and got video and audio elementary streams. Currently I am using eac3to to convert the eac3 to DTS so I can author it onto a Blu-Ray. Does anyone know what delay I should use in eac3to?

Thanks in advance

[Nathan_R]

I tried this using Nero and making sure UDF 2.50 was selected but my player (Panasonic BD30) doesn't play it. It seems to go in a loop. it keeps trying to read the disc but nothing happens. Obviously I tried this several times with different discs and source files.

Is anyone else still having this problem-- specifically with the Panny BD30?

Every BDMV disc I've made via TSRemux burnt to Nero at UDF2.5 results in a loop that doesn't play on my BD30. I've tried six different .TS-sourced recordings and every one of them has failed to do anything other than loop in my Panny.

I updated my Panny to 1.3. TSRemux is the xxx.19 version. My Nero 7 install is fully updated and I purchased the HD plugin pack just in case.

Am I missing something obvious?

[Chefkoch81]

Hi!

I´m new to Blu Ray authoring. I´m coming from the HD-DVD side.

There I was able to create HD-DVD9/DVDx3 with
- h264 video in 1440x1080 or 1920x1080
- 2 languages in DD5.1
- 2 subtitle tracks

Source HD satellite transmissions or HDV homemade movies both reencoded with x264.

Authoring done with Scenarist SCA. I choose HD-DVD because these DVDx3 work on every HD-DVD player.

As HD-DVD maybe dead because of the Warner Deal, with which method can I achive best compability on both PS3 but most importantly standalones players? The features I stated above are "must".

I prefer usage of Dual Layer DVD media but maybe in soon future BD-R/RE will also be okay.

Hope somebody will give me an advice. As far as I read this thread, best will be BDMV with Scenarist and BD-R, or not?

best regards

[davidc78]

Hi Guys

Just wondering im having problems with my Lg GGW H20W AND used to have same problems with LG ggw h10n burner as well

burning 25gb and 50gb on RE discs they quote 2x and in Nero 8 or Nero 7 says burning at 2x 8990kbs but really its 1X

I had a pioneer bdr 202 and it used to burn 2x on re no dramas with same software and pc/s used

Im really stuffed for ideas as to what it can be ive changed sata calbes around and still no go

Ive used imgburn and still the highest on tdk 25 and 50 gb re media the highest is 0.9 x

hoping someone can help

thanks again

David

[davidc78]

Hi There thanks for the info

is that to work on bd/re discs not just bdr also where abouts in the options is that?

thanks again

any tips for nero 7 or 8?

Dave

[davidc78]

Benes thank you

burning now at 2x thank you

to make it compliant with ps3 as ive always used nero for udf 2.50 is there any other settings i should have clicked on?

im in build mode and burning the bdmv folder just like i do in nero 7 or 8

thanks again for your help

[sicbomb]

I stipped the HD DVD EVO files of Transformers and got video and audio elementary streams. Currently I am using eac3to to convert the eac3 to DTS so I can author it onto a Blu-Ray. Does anyone know what delay I should use in eac3to?

Thanks in advance

NM, I found out it was -84ms

[survivant00]

I'm trying my for test with Scenarist HDMV h264+ac3 but I got a error when muxing.

MUX_SN_E_TS_UNDERFLOW_ERR

not been able to find help for that error.

I know that the h264 file is reconized in Encore CS3, and doesn't need to be trancoded for bluray output. (the 264 file was created with x264669i_puldown with this command line
x264.exe --pass 2 --bitrate 7200 --stats ".stats" --progress --keyint 300 --bframes 3 --qpmin 7 --qpmax 51 --no-psnr --mixed-refs --trellis 1 --ref 3 --filter 0,0 --subme 6 --direct auto --vbv-bufsize 14745 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --me dia --no-ssim --level 4.1 --weightb --b-rdo --bime --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output "movie.264" "movie.avs"
)


someone know what to do ?

[alluringreality]

in BDMV mode does the Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack only support MPEG 2 streams output, or will it include MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, as long as I give it proper files?

I tested the software with our H264 and ac3 m2ts files and it appears to do no transcoding with either AVCHD or BDMV. Like previously commented, we haven't found many options for creating the H264 m2ts format from other sources aside from the Ulead transcoding option.

[davidc78]

Greetings Peoples im back with a real strange thing thats has happened and maybe needs soe guidence

i have Die Hard 4 ripped with anydvd hd 6.3.0.0 and i play it off my hard drive via power dvd ultra with no glitches of kind being bd+ off hd i feel very lucky it works no problems

I then tried to back up as i love a challenge i used nero image recorder to make a udf 2.5 compliant iso image and img burn to burn it

When played in ps3 ( i just converted the bdmv folder only ) it plays but at begining it asks for a firmware update but my pal ps3 is up to date at 2.10 firmware

the picture is all blocky etc when playback happens

Just wondering if ive done something wrong in the process im burning it onto 50gb dl media so all good for space just wondering any thoughts ?

thanks again for your tips and help

Dave

[davidc78]

ahh ok cool point taken i thought that anydvd hd had bypassed it and it would just be a matter of that im a noob then when it comes to this

I think from that reply i should be happy with being able to play it from my home cinema pc with no glitches for now and wait to hear something from slysoft although from what i read it might take a little while as sony will patch up in next release and so on and so on

thanks again you have been great with your knowledge

[davidc78]

Hi Benes

You are a wealth of knowledge forgive me if this sounds like a silly question as really i love fiddling around with streams etc off hard drive

the bd+ bdmv folder is a little different to non bd+ structure as the whole movie is 1 file in non bd+ films as to bd+ streams are all diffeent sizes etc

is there any such program which could be used to rebuild such as ts remux to make something that is then burnable via udf 2.5 etc?

Might sound silly but just a idea as ive used ts remux on non bd+ films to strip away menus etc and spotting the movie stream was very simple being like 12-20gb etc bd+ streams though are made up of all different gigabyte sizes

I like the challenge do you think im on the right page? i have dvdit pro but havent used it too much

thanks again really appreciate it

David

[davidc78]

sorry like a stream joiner i maybe talking crap but if i could join all the streams up then us ts remux then it might work?

thanks again

[davidc78]

sorry it was simpsons movie not die hard that the streams were all over the place in folder sorry my bad

[hwjohn]

x264 is NOT the same as H264. Scenarist will never accept such an encode. It is far outside the official H264 specification.

We are trying to get an H264 stream encoded that Ulead DVD factory will accept for AVS HD (free cal disk). Ulead won't accept an x264 encoded stream, but I'm not sure that I have all the settings in x264 correct.

Can you elaborate on why x264 does not produce a compliant H264 stream? Are you aware of any free encoders that will produce a compliant stream to say, profile 4.1?

[maxleung]

hwjohn, I believe the doom9.org forums talks about making compliant streams for x264 encoded video.

However, I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264. Although that may not work if Ulead does undesirable things to the video (ie. applies filters, fiddles with video levels, applies DNR, etc.).

The important thing to remember: x264 is NOT h264. x264 is the name of a piece of software that encodes video into an mpeg4 stream. The stream it outputs is not necessarily compliant with any particular standard. Tweaking needs to be made to parameters to make it acceptable by h264 decoders.

Good luck.

[alluringreality]

I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264.

Ulead can transcode mpeg2 to H264, but we can't go to 24p with the Ulead software.

[survivant00]

x264 is NOT the same as H264. Scenarist will never accept such an encode. It is far outside the official H264 specification.

I know x264 is not H264. but your response didn't help at all.

and Yes movies encoded with x264 will work on scenarist.. but you have to use a special build. x26x build 699i_pulldown.

and you need theses options : --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1

and have a 23.976p source.

we are able to authorize movie in scenarist.. but sometimes we get the previous error. Trying to figure how to fix it.

[Brajesh]

Hope someone can help. Have a bunch of 1080i MPEG2-TS files that I used TSRemux v0.0.19 to generate either an M2TS file or Blu-ray. When burned to a DVD SL or DL, the standalone M2TS plays fine, but the Blu-ray [recognized as AVCHD by the PS3] video stutters w/no audio. Why? It's the same M2TS file in both, except one by itself in a VIDEO folder on a DVD-R and another as a Blu-ray output from TSRemux. What am I doing wrong?

[MozartMan]

Hope someone can help. Have a bunch of 1080i MPEG2-TS files that I used TSRemux v0.0.19 to generate either an M2TS file or Blu-ray. When burned to a DVD SL or DL, the standalone M2TS plays fine, but the Blu-ray [recognized as AVCHD by the PS3] video stutters w/no audio. Why? It's the same M2TS file in both, except one by itself in a VIDEO folder on a DVD-R and another as a Blu-ray output from TSRemux. What am I doing wrong?
What firmware do you have on your PS3?

[fatherom]

Hope someone can help. Have a bunch of 1080i MPEG2-TS files that I used TSRemux v0.0.19 to generate either an M2TS file or Blu-ray. When burned to a DVD SL or DL, the standalone M2TS plays fine, but the Blu-ray [recognized as AVCHD by the PS3] video stutters w/no audio. Why? It's the same M2TS file in both, except one by itself in a VIDEO folder on a DVD-R and another as a Blu-ray output from TSRemux. What am I doing wrong?

What firmware do you have on your PS3?

I have the same issue. 1080i MPEG-TS file. I ran it through TSRemux and got the blu-ray directory structure. Burned it on a DVD-R single layer using UDF 2.6. When I put it in the PS3, the video plays very slow motion like, stuttery, and there's no audio.

I have 2.10 firmware on my PS3.

Chris

[MozartMan]

Are you burning both BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders do DVD, or just BDMV?
Also, you don't need UDF 2.6, BD specs is UDF 2.5

After TSRemux I use Nero DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation, with UDF 2.5 physical partision to burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders on DVD.
And I don't remember that I had this problem.
I had similar problem with .TS files with earlier firmware when I was trying to play some TS files from XMB.

[Brajesh]

PS3 firmware 2.10. Burning both BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders do DVD. Using Nero, I 'choose recorder' and set the drive to physical type (choosing 'automatic' or 'DVD-ROM' makes no difference to the stutter issue), then choose DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation w/UDF 2.50 and 'physical' partition, then burn to DVD. I've tried -R, +R and +RW and I get stutter w/all. The TS files I have are either 1920x1080i or 1440x1080i, with bitrate ranging from 10-18mbps.

What's funny is if I take the M2TS file out of the TSRemux generated 'stream' folder and simply plop it onto a DVD, the PS3 plays it back just fine. No stutter and proper 5.1 audio. It would be nice to use TSRemux to generate an AVCHD disc so the PS3 auto-plays it and I get chapter markers every 5 mins.

[fatherom]

Are you burning both BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders do DVD, or just BDMV?
Also, you don't need UDF 2.6, BD specs is UDF 2.5

After TSRemux I use Nero DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation, with UDF 2.5 physical partision to burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders on DVD.
And I don't remember that I had this problem.
I had similar problem with .TS files with earlier firmware when I was trying to play some TS files from XMB.

Yeah, just like Brajesh, I'm burning both folders and setting everything in Nero correctly...

hmmm...

[MozartMan]

Brajesh, fatherom,

Is it possible that I can get those problem .TS files from you somehow, so I can test it on my PS3?

[Brajesh]

Thanks for the offer. I'll post a 2 minute clip this evening when I get home via Rapidshare or another free hosting site and PM you.

I've tried several of my TS files and they all end up w/the stutter, so I'm guessing somewhere between TSRemux and Nero is where there's an issue.

I actually prefer authoring HD DVDs (easier & w/Ulead, you can create professional-looking pop-up menus), but with the format dying, wanted to switch to Blu-ray.

[GodobeHD]

Me too, I think HDDVD authoring is WAY easier and more reliable than BD at this point. I am so sick and tired of my PS3 throwing up error messages and playing stuttery HD videos.
With the picture quality being the same between the two formats, it's a shame we are being forced down our throat the lot more expensive solution for our home HD video needs. Thank you Sony and Holly for taking thousands of dollars from our pockets, for the money is going to rot if it stays in our pockets.

[MozartMan]

Me too, I think HDDVD authoring is WAY easier and more reliable than BD at this point.
What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?

I am so sick and tired of my PS3 throwing up error messages and playing stuttery HD videos.
Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

[hwjohn]

hwjohn, I believe the doom9.org forums talks about making compliant streams for x264 encoded video.

Do you have any links? doom9 is my next stop. I thought that x264 always output an H264 compliant stream. I don't understand why it doesn't, what good is an encode that can't be decoded?

However, I think you may have better luck if you can get Ulead to accept an AVISynth script to decode the x264 stream into individual frames that Ulead can transcode into h264. Although that may not work if Ulead does undesirable things to the video (ie. applies filters, fiddles with video levels, applies DNR, etc.).

I wish. We use an AVIsynth script to basically create the video from still frames, so feeding Ulead an AVIsynth script and letting it encode would be ideal. Of course, they didn't see the need for that:) To their credit, the Ulead software is relatively cheap (big thanks to alluringreality for buying it).

The important thing to remember: x264 is NOT h264. x264 is the name of a piece of software that encodes video into an mpeg4 stream. The stream it outputs is not necessarily compliant with any particular standard. Tweaking needs to be made to parameters to make it acceptable by h264 decoders.

Glad I know that now. That sucks.

Good luck.

We will probably need it :)

[GodobeHD]

What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?


Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

I am talking about the HD authoring not burning here.
I am assuming most people on this board want to make HD home vidoes not the two hour HD feature films.
For the purpose of making a short 40min film with all the menus like a commercial HDDVD or BD, HDDVD authoring on a DVD9 meets all the objectives with minimal cost. There is every reason to believe that burning the same content onto the HDDVD disk would also be workable process.
The thing that bothers me is that BD authoring is now a $$$$ option. I just think it should offer the average home video enthusiast a $40 option and $4000 option, depending on how fancy he wants to go.
Right now if I want to make 40min HD home video with all the menus for a total investment of less than $50 and less than $2 a disk, BD simply does not give any choice.

[MozartMan]

I am talking about the HD authoring not burning here.
I am assuming most people on this board want to make HD home vidoes not the two hour HD feature films.
For the purpose of making a short 40min film with all the menus like a commercial HDDVD or BD, HDDVD authoring on a DVD9 meets all the objectives with minimal cost. There is every reason to believe that burning the same content onto the HDDVD disk would also be workable process.
The thing that bothers me is that BD authoring is now a $$$$ option. I just think it should offer the average home video enthusiast a $40 option and $4000 option, depending on how fancy he wants to go.
Right now if I want to make 40min HD home video with all the menus for a total investment of less than $50 and less than $2 a disk, BD simply does not give any choice.

Here is quote from another forum;
For the longest time I was an avid HD DVD format supporter for one reason alone: I could make HD discs on regular DVD+-Rs. All the while I also had a Playstation 3 so I had a foot in the Blu-ray camp as well.

Anyway, the release of the AVCHD format shot down my number one reason for preferring HD DVD. Now I can make content for either format at HDV resolutions.

Now, as I look at my PS3 and compare it to my Toshiba HD DVD player I find the following:

My HD DVD player can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
2. It can play commercial HD DVD discs at beautiful HD resolution.
3. It can uprez my own non-macrovision protected DVDs.
4. It can play commercial DVDs as well as any $30 Chinese DVD player.

On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
2. It can play commercial Blu-ray discs at beautiful HD resolution.
3. It can uprez ALL my DVDs, macrovision protected or not.
4. It can play back AVCHD discs of raw footage from my CX-7 camcorder.
5. It can play back DivX files at up to 1080p resolutions.
6. It can play back both HDV and AVCHD raw footage or renders.
7. It can play back music mp3s.
8. It can play back jpeg slideshows.
9. It can download and stream video off the Internet.
10. It can stream video from a server.
11. It can play video off thumb drives or external USB2 hard drives.
12. It can play video games.

Frankly, I have seen myself in the past few months go from "I hope HD DVD wins" to "I think there is room for both formats" to "Go Blu-ray!"

My only problem now is that I have two HD DVD players, a bunch of HD DVD movies, and an HD DVD drive in my new HP laptop...

I suppose I can take comfort in the fact that with the new Blu-ray spec, early Blu-ray adopters have to replace their players too.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=569113&Replies=91#569854

[GodobeHD]

"On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
...."

If its true it is a big deal.
Over the last one and a half years I have seen many claims like that, only to be later disappointed to learn that others could not replicate the success.

If you don't mind can you publish the steps of this process so we all can test it.

[alluringreality]

Ulead Movie Factory 6+ with the plugin or Nero can do AVCHD which will play on most Blu-ray players from DVD. Some players like my BDP-S1 can also play BDMV from DVD. With BDMV you might not have to transcode mpeg2 video, but with the other options you'll almost certainly have to transcode. MF6+ can accept m2ts H264, but it's not an easy to create file format from our testing. The top link has an AVCHD created from MF6+ by transcoding.

[fatherom]

What HD DVD burner do you have?
How much do you pay for blank HD-DVD-RW disks?

We're talking about authoring HD-DVD content on to red laser DVD media. There's a sticky at the top of the HD-DVD Software section that describes how to do it. Works great...but like Brajesh, I'd like to try my hands at blu-ray burning on red laser media.

Have you ever thought that those "stuttery HD videos" that you get from cable broadcast, Dish, or DTV may have glitches and other problems?

It's possible, but I've burned 50 HD-DVD movies from various transport streams (720P, 1080i, different audio, with glitches and without) and I've never had a problem playing them in either of my 2 HD-DVD players.

Chris

[GodobeHD]

If the recorded shows miss some time stamps in the stream they would have lipsync or stuttery problems. But VidoeRedo has a special feature to add all the missing time codes. Over 200 hours of HD TV shows I have on red laser disks there is not a single stutter.
PS3 seems to give me most difficulty. Samsung players play red laser disks just fine.

[MozartMan]

If the recorded shows miss some time stamps in the stream they would have lipsync or stuttery problems. But VidoeRedo has a special feature to add all the missing time codes. Over 200 hours of HD TV shows I have on red laser disks there is not a single stutter.
PS3 seems to give me most difficulty. Samsung players play red laser disks just fine.

I use MPEG2Repair to fix glitches.

[ilsiu]

"On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
...."

If its true it is a big deal.
Over the last one and a half years I have seen many claims like that, only to be later disappointed to learn that others could not replicate the success.

If you don't mind can you publish the steps of this process so we all can test it.

I'd also be very interested in this. Has anyone described the process (and identified the software used) in authoring and burning HD content onto DVD +/- R for playback on a standalone BR player? Not looking for anything fancy, just something with simple menus like the ones in Ulead Movie Factory 6+.

[alluringreality]

Get the plug in http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

[MozartMan]

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

[ilsiu]

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

Thanks! I'm not too familiar with the software used in the tutorial so I'll have to study it a little bit.

[GodobeHD]

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-1-pid-1051.html

Thanks for the info.
But it didn't work me.
It doesn't talk about creating a menu for BD, which I assume it can't be done with this guide.
I try to follow this guide but TsRemux.exe won't even load most of the video files. For the ones that were loaded the end product didn't play on my PS3.
Well, just another one of those heresay reportings of how BD authoring would work.

[TObject]

Well, I got the Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 Plus today, the retail box. Alas, I couldn’t install it on my Windows 2003 computer.

The Ulead’s answer is that they don’t support Windows 2003. But this is simply a matter of their installation program incorrectly determining the DirectX version installed.

I was able to extract and modify the inx script to bypass the DirectX check; but I am not sure how to make the install accept my modified script. If anybody was successful installing the DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus under Windows 2003, let me know.

What a disappointment.

MozartMan and alluringreality thank you for your advice anyway.

[MozartMan]

Thanks for the info.
But it didn't work me.
It doesn't talk about creating a menu for BD, which I assume it can't be done with this guide.
I try to follow this guide but TsRemux.exe won't even load most of the video files. For the ones that were loaded the end product didn't play on my PS3.
Well, just another one of those heresay reportings of how BD authoring would work.

GodobeHD,

I am testing one .TS file that Brajesh sent me. I already see the problem with the file before even loading it into TSRemux. This is HD-Lite (1440x1080) MPEG-2, probably from Dish or DTV; cable, Comcast in my case, doesn't use HD-Lite. AC3 audio is 5.1, but sound coming only from the center speaker when I play the file with Media Player Classic or Nero ShowTime. I can say already that the problem is file itself. I ran file through MPEG2Repair, and I got text file with 900 lines of errors.

So, before you blame PS3 and Blu-ray, please test your files with available tools.

Here is some sections from the log file from MPEG2Repair:
====================
MPEG2Repair: F:\Temp\1440-2.ts


Sequence Frame 0(0-X) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
-----
Sequence Frame 17(16-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS Bits 32...30
Additional error(s) detected. Increase VerboseLogLevel in INI file for details.
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
FileInfo: Last video errors span 20 bytes at file offset 1111260
---------
Sequence Frame 48(22-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 164654
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 244518
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 3. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 298855
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 387022
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 436878
---------
VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 2095607
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 214090
--------------
Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 63.96 MB, Play Time: 00h:00m:45s
1440 x 1080, 29.97 fps (25.62 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (11.13 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 53.05 KB/Frame, 0.28 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -30.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
410 of 1161 video frames found with errors.
715 of 1416 audio frames found with errors.
7792 corrupted video bytes in file.
-30.779223 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log
=====================

[GodobeHD]

Mozart, after fixing the file did you author the file and play on PS3?
I have all kinds of programs, with Ulead MF and VS. I see many people reporting success but few procedures posted.
I myself was able to author a few BDMVs that played, going way back in 2006, but until the results are consistent with full motion menus, I wouldn't call it a success let alone put out a fool proof process.
Please people if you are convinced you got a winner here you need to put out a step by step guide, especially for red laser BD authoring.

[MozartMan]

Mozart, after fixing the file did you author the file and play on PS3?

After I ran that file through MPEG2Repair I tried to play that file on PC first.
Media Player Classic crashes, and Nero ShowTime doesn't play it at all.

Then I ran file through TSRemux and created just .M2TS file and then put it on USB jump drive into VIDEO folder and played it on PS3 using XMB.

PS3 plays video and audio, audio coming only from the center channel, other speakers are silent. Video is jerky, freezing sometimes.

I didn't even try to create BDMV structure with TSRemux.

Well, HD-Lite sucks.

All my TS files from cable are 1920x1080 and I can repair them if there are any problems.

[MozartMan]

^^ If that log is accurate you MUST repair the file. There is no way those timestamp gaps and other errors are gonna fly on any media. Maybe the HDDVD players were just being loose with the specs.
This is exactly the case.

1440x1080 rez should not be a problem though. It is supported by blu-ray.
Yes. I can author my home movies in HDV format 1440x1080i from my Sony HC1 camcorder with TSRemux, or Ulead DVD MF without any problem. I just have to re-encode audio into AC3 because BD specs don't allow MPEG audio from HDV.

[ilsiu]

Yes. I can author my home movies in HDV format 1440x1080i from my Sony HC1 camcorder with TSRemux, or Ulead DVD MF without any problem. I just have to re-encode audio into AC3 because BD specs don't allow MPEG audio from HDV.

Would you mind posting a step-by-step description of your workflow using Ulead MF? I'm looking to do something similar (but with a Canon HV20). Which players have you been able to play the final authored DVD with no issues?

Thanks!

[Brajesh]

MozartMan, thanks for testing. If you can, please try the 1920x1080 sample I sent. That one I got from someone who already ran it through MPEG2Repair. The 1440x1080i sample I sent you was from Dish, but I had not repaired it yet. I guess HD DVD authoring is a lot more forgiving because it works on any MPEG2 TS. What's surprising is that several files that I have that show errors by MPEG2Repair play completely fine w/o any visible video or audio issues on actual playback as authored HD DVDs. Again, thanks for doing the test; I'll keep trying at my end.

[fatherom]

MozartMan, thanks for testing. If you can, please try the 1920x1080 sample I sent. That one I got from someone who already ran it through MPEG2Repair. The 1440x1080i sample I sent you was from Dish, but I had not repaired it yet. I guess HD DVD authoring is a lot more forgiving because it works on any MPEG2 TS. What's surprising is that several files that I have that show errors by MPEG2Repair play completely fine w/o any visible video or audio issues on actual playback as authored HD DVDs. Again, thanks for doing the test; I'll keep trying at my end.

Thanks for undertaking this...I'd really like to find out the results.

I know benes was saying that maybe HD-DVD is "loose" with the spec, but to be honest, I'd rather that. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think the HD-DVD home authoring ability is more forgiving, and it could be said the other way: the blu-ray home authoring ability is too "strict".

Again, not trying to start an argument, just want to know how to take my 50 TS files that I've made perfect HD-DVDs out of and make a blu-ray compatible disc that will play in the PS3 or other blu-ray player.

Chris

[GodobeHD]

Would you mind posting a step-by-step description of your workflow using Ulead MF? I'm looking to do something similar (but with a Canon HV20). Which players have you been able to play the final authored DVD with no issues?

Thanks!
Thanks for undertaking this...I'd really like to find out the results.

I know benes was saying that maybe HD-DVD is "loose" with the spec, but to be honest, I'd rather that. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think the HD-DVD home authoring ability is more forgiving, and it could be said the other way: the blu-ray home authoring ability is too "strict".

Again, not trying to start an argument, just want to know how to take my 50 TS files that I've made perfect HD-DVDs out of and make a blu-ray compatible disc that will play in the PS3 or other blu-ray player.

Chris


I would like to echo the above sentiments by urging some gurus here to post their consistently working procedures. Since everybody here has Ulead MF5 or 6 Plus and its fairly cheap ($50 I think), and all of us have plenty of red laser DVDs to test, why don't we have a GUIDE based on Ulead, preferably with the red laser option. Announcing success with a $5000 software is really not going to help us.

Get real. This whole thread is full of people who are authoring Blu-ray. If you can't put a little time and *money* into it I'm not sure what you expect. If you can't figure out how to use free tools then buy Ulead.
Also comments like this is not particularly helpful either.

[Nathan_R]

This is so frustrating. I have yet to author a BDMV or BDAV that plays properly on my Panny BD30. I've used just about every tool and guide posted on this thread and elsewhere on the web and have had experiences nowhere near what some people are reporting. I've patched and patched and patched and all my source files are Comcast-sourced valid and errorfree TS files. Hell, I even dedicated an HP DL380 in my server room to BD authoring to make sure my hardware isn't the problem.

The only problem-free BD disc I've ever made was a BDAV with PowerProducer 3.7 on a Panny BD10, listed on the first page of this thread many, many months ago. Nothing seems to work on my Panny BD30. I've tried PowerProducer 3.7 and 4.0, Nero 7, Nero Vision 4, TSRemux .19, MovieFactory 6+, ImgBurn, VideoRedo Plus, H