My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...

[Phloyd]

It's possible, but it's a very complex patch. The syntax of the SPS changes for High Profile (because the luma bit depth, chroma bit depth and chroma format must be signaled). So you need to add some bits to each SPS, which is pretty painful with a hex editor.


How is that information communicated in a Main Profile stream?

[dr1394]

How is that information communicated in a Main Profile stream?
It's not. It's a given that luma/chroma bit depth = 8 and chroma format = 4:2:0 in Main Profile.

Ron

[Nathan_R]

Oy, well, I finally authored a functional disc again, but sadly it's just a BDAV in PowerProducer4. Some unseen hand must have something against BDMV authoring in my house. I don't get it-- the same .mpg file makes a flawless BDAV in PowerProducer4, but results in a stuttering a/v mess when I make a BDMV in MF6+.

[GodobeHD]

I think I am finally ready to say that there is a METHOD consistent enough and afforable enough to be used for my BD authoring.
After much testing I can also confirm that the process posted by Tom Roper and Brajesh will work for red laser media (presumeably blue laser media as well) on most BD players. The only player so far that won't play the disk authored by this method is the Sharp BD player, all others Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Sony and PS3 will play the disk. Considering that it keeps the AC3 stream, by a cheap Ulead software and on disks that cost pennies I think this is a hugh success in homemade BD.
Thanks Tom, Brajesh, Mozart and everyone else for figuring this out.
I think the only wish I have left would be to add menu, but for putting recorded HDTV programs on the disks this is not a must. Now I just need to put together a longer feature film out of the home HD videos.

[Brajesh]

Glad to hear it works on other BD players; I only have the PS3 for now.

Agree it would be nice to insert menus for some projects (like camcorder home/family footage); I mostly use chapter breaks only. If we could take the Ulead output w/the menu and chapter info, but use TSRemux's AVCHD container trick for BDMV on DVD media, we'd be set. It would be the reverse of what Tom/I did.

[alluringreality]

If we could take the Ulead output w/the menu and chapter info, but use TSRemux's AVCHD container trick for BDMV on DVD media, we'd be set.

The reports seem to be that the two main files (index and movieobject) are different for AVCHD compared to BDMV. Most of the current programs do menus only for BDMV, while Ulead and Nero will do menus for AVCHD with H264 video. I wasn't real sure what I was looking for, but in a hex editor nothing stuck out as clearly different in the .bdmv files and an easy way to make BDMV from Ulead play as AVCHD, or allow the Ulead AVCHD to use anything other than H264. BD structure edit (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125903) mentioned in this thread was an interesting item, but it didn't seem to necessarily lead anywhere in its current form. Because I'd like to be able to create a 24p Blu-ray with menus that the PS3 can play from DVDs, which appears to only be AVCHD at this time, I'd certainly like to see something like this done.

My first guess was to use either the Ulead or Nero AVCHD output and replace m2ts files, but in Ulead that messes up chapter skipping. Of course there also seems to be stream information files (CLIPINF), and I didn't think to try replacing those in my original trial. Odds are that using the Ulead AVCHD output and then putting in the BDMV m2ts and CLIPINF files still might not work, but without getting into the actual file information I really had no other ideas. I was unable to find anything that really gives the technical details about the files that Blu-ray uses for playback.

Personally I'd be interested just to find how chapters are stored, but I suppose if I really wanted to spend the time a hex editor comparision on tsremux files with different chapter times would give some clue. If it happens chapters are stored in CLIPINF, using the Ulead AVCHD with menus and using file replacement might work for my application. I haven't tried replacing both m2ts and CLIPINF, or even seeing if tsremux does create correct CLIPINF files by what BD edit is showing. With the complete lack of any good information, I just decided I might be completely wasting time trying to get AVCHD with menus that are anything other than H264 that Nero or Ulead will accept or transcode.

[Phloyd]

It's not. It's a given that luma/chroma bit depth = 8 and chroma format = 4:2:0 in Main Profile.


Oh - ok - thanks. So it should not be super difficult to 'promote' Main Profile to High Profile then... Can you think of any other details that would need to be added to the SPS?

[latreche34]

Is anyone experienced this error message with Ulead ? I wasn't using DVD drive at all:

When I start moving up to bigger HD video files I start getting an error message when Ulead remuxing the TS file to the hard drive at about 6% of the progress bar:
"there is an internal error in the DVD engine" isn't that weared??

[maxleung]

I just discovered from a fellow enthusiast that Subtitle Workshop 4.0beta 1 supports export to BDN XML file format + PNGs. So now you can convert text-based subtitles into a form that Scenarist BDMV (and HDMV) can accept!

In Subtitle Workshop, load the subtitle you want to make work for a Blu-ray, then set the appropriate framerate. Then go to File menu, select "Export To" then select "Custom Image Format".

In the dialog box, make sure you select "HD 1080" in the output options. More experimentation is needed - you need to match the subtitle framerate to the video framerate, and i don't know if you need drop-frames or not (probably not).

Make sure 8-bit PNGs are selected. You need to enter a file name, image file prefix, and then the output directory.

[Tom Roper]

I think I am finally ready to say that there is a METHOD consistent enough and afforable enough to be used for my BD authoring.
After much testing I can also confirm that the process posted by Tom Roper and Brajesh will work for red laser media (presumeably blue laser media as well) on most BD players. The only player so far that won't play the disk authored by this method is the Sharp BD player, all others Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Sony and PS3 will play the disk. Considering that it keeps the AC3 stream, by a cheap Ulead software and on disks that cost pennies I think this is a hugh success in homemade BD.
Thanks Tom, Brajesh, Mozart and everyone else for figuring this out.
I think the only wish I have left would be to add menu, but for putting recorded HDTV programs on the disks this is not a must. Now I just need to put together a longer feature film out of the home HD videos.

That's really cool. Thanks for reporting your success with it. We all share the desire to advance the process, or find a better one to include menus and chapter stops at scene breaks.

[jamawass]

I want to try this out, is ulead mf6 plus trial version fully functional allowing bluray output? I'd like to make sure this works before buying all this software. Thanks

[MozartMan]

I want to try this out, is ulead mf6 plus trial version fully functional allowing bluray output? I'd like to make sure this works before buying all this software. Thanks

No. There is no HD pack trial. But don't worry, it is worth $100.

[GodobeHD]

It looks like the new Ulead MF 6 includes HD pack. If the free trial is full featured then it should come with the BD authoring feature.
With some coupon codes(like "MONKEY") it should be under $75.
Comparing with $40000 Scenarist, Ulead alternative seems like free.

[himey]

What does the HD pack in MF 6 have that the origional release of MF 5 (with BR support) doesn't?
I am trying to make an AVCHD disc.
Using MF 5, TSRemux, and Mpeg Video Wizard I could not get it working.
My player is the Panny DMP-BD10A. I am burning to a regular DVD+R. TIA

[latreche34]

This error message is killing me "there is an internal error in the DVD engine" I couldn't get ulead to finish any project, I even uninstalled the DVD drive completely from my laptop but still getting the same error message, anyone experienced this???

[MozartMan]

What does the HD pack in MF 6 have that the origional release of MF 5 (with BR support) doesn't?

TIA
I don't know about MF 5, but I think MF 6 with HD pack does exactly what you are trying to make:

Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack

Features

AVCHD Authoring - Author HD content (from AVCHD or HDV camcorder, or any other HD source) and burn to a standard DVD using a standard burner.

* AVCHD discs with menus play back pristine HD video on your PC, Blu-ray Player or Sony PS3, or disc-based AVCHD camcorders.
* Supports standard screen sizes from SD screen sizes to HD 1440x1080 to 1920x1080 as well as PAL and NTSC systems.
* Audio formats include LPCM and Dolby® 2.0 or 5.1.

http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

[Tom Roper]

What does the HD pack in MF 6 have that the origional release of MF 5 (with BR support) doesn't?
I am trying to make an AVCHD disc.
Using MF 5, TSRemux, and Mpeg Video Wizard I could not get it working.
My player is the Panny DMP-BD10A. I am burning to a regular DVD+R. TIA

My version of MF5's Blu-ray support was only BDAV, and only onto BD-R/RE high capacity media, but I think there was an earlier revision that allowed BDAV onto DVD5/9.

MF6+ added burning functionality, and I think AC3 support, although MF5 may have had the latter.

For sure, MF6+ with HD Pack adds BDMV authoring. But the other software you may be lacking to burn HD on DVD5/9 is Nero. From your toolset above, Womble is good, Panny is good, DVD+R I honestly haven't tested yet for BDMV although I was successful with DVD+RW, TSRemux .018 is good except that some people are finding it better to replace the remuxed .m2ts file with one passed through Ulead's transcoder if you have stuttering or audio issues. You can read the posts in the recent preceding pages for info on how to do that, and the entire workflow that people have been successful with. (Make sure your Womble is up to date, it's free and they revise it frequently.)

Good luck. It's not wholly easy, but persistence pays off. Work with small files to save time until you hit the right process, then stick to that workflow.

[GodobeHD]

Is BD on red laser media officially supported? If so is it supported in all three formats, namely BDAV, BDMV and AVCHD? BTW what is the difference between BDAV and AVCHD?
It seems only AVCHD so far enjoys consistent success on red laser media on most BD players. I imagime with majority of people only wanting to do it on DVD 5 & 9 those questions would be asked many times down the road.

[Tom Roper]

It's been answered before by MozartMan, benes and alluring reality above, but BD on red laser media is not officially supported. So the recent posts in the thread have focused on how to make a playable AVCHD disk instead, that does retain compatibility on red laser media, does have chapter stops and 5.1 audio without re-encoding MPEG-2 video streams. That's what's been accomplished.

[MozartMan]

Is BD on red laser media officially supported?
Yes, in the form of AVCHD disk format with video encoded in AVC (h.264) codec.
If so is it supported in all three formats, namely BDAV, BDMV and AVCHD?
Only in AVCHD format which is derived from BDMV. BDMV and BDAV is for blue laser media.
BTW what is the difference between BDAV and AVCHD?
BDMV, or HDMV, is used by studios to produce movies on Blu-ray format. It has all bells and whistles.
BDAV was implemented as consumers format for home video authoring. No menus, just simple playlist.
But it looks like BDAV will be abandoned because you can now author BDMV on Blu-ray disk at home with your home videos using $100 DVD Movie Factory 6 with HD pack.

I hope my simple explanation helps you.

[MozartMan]

This error message is killing me "there is an internal error in the DVD engine" I couldn't get ulead to finish any project, I even uninstalled the DVD drive completely from my laptop but still getting the same error message, anyone experienced this???
latreche34,

Do you get this error on your home videos in HDV format, or those .TS files captured from broadcast?

When I bought Ulead I was playing with authoring, I didn’t have any problems with my home videos in HDV format.

When I tried to use.TS files, Ulead was crashing when burning project to hard disk with most of my .TS files. I think I even had that "there is an internal error in the DVD engine" error with one of my .TS files.

Then I downloaded VideoReDo and ran all .TS file through it before importing them in Ulead. And Ulead doesn’t crash any more. VideoReDo rocks in terms of fixing problematic .TS files.

You can download trial version for 15 days and try it.

[framura]

I just discovered from a fellow enthusiast that Subtitle Workshop 4.0beta 1 supports export to BDN XML file format + PNGs. So now you can convert text-based subtitles into a form that Scenarist BDMV (and HDMV) can accept!

In Subtitle Workshop, load the subtitle you want to make work for a Blu-ray, then set the appropriate framerate. Then go to File menu, select "Export To" then select "Custom Image Format".

In the dialog box, make sure you select "HD 1080" in the output options. More experimentation is needed - you need to match the subtitle framerate to the video framerate, and i don't know if you need drop-frames or not (probably not).

Make sure 8-bit PNGs are selected. You need to enter a file name, image file prefix, and then the output directory.



Great News: I will try it!

[himey]

I don't know about MF 5, but I think MF 6 with HD pack does exactly what you are trying to make:



http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

Thanks for the link!

[maxleung]

framura, there are some bugs in Subtitle Workshop 4 beta that benes discovered:

- output timecodes are wrong - milliseconds are output instead of frame numbers - so your subtitles canl be out of sync by as much as 2/3rds of a second.
- changing fonts does not work - you are stuck with the default one.

[latreche34]

latreche34,

Do you get this error on your home videos in HDV format, or those .TS files captured from broadcast?

When I bought Ulead I was playing with authoring, I didn’t have any problems with my home videos in HDV format.

When I tried to use.TS files, Ulead was crashing when burning project to hard disk with most of my .TS files. I think I even had that "there is an internal error in the DVD engine" error with one of my .TS files.

Then I downloaded VideoReDo and ran all .TS file through it before importing them in Ulead. And Ulead doesn’t crash any more. VideoReDo rocks in terms of fixing problematic .TS files.

You can download trial version for 15 days and try it.

The video that I'm trying is brodcast but it's a videoredo output.

[CDP]

Will The workflow for authoring blu ray on dvd5/9 work with blank HD-DVD disc of 15GB or 30GB? Can HD-DVD blank disc be written onto with standard DVD witer? If so wouldn't this eliminate the need to use multiple standard DVD's?

CDP

[fatherom]

Will The workflow for authoring blu ray on dvd5/9 work with blank HD-DVD disc of 15GB or 30GB? Can HD-DVD blank disc be written onto with standard DVD witer? If so wouldn't this eliminate the need to use multiple standard DVD's?

Ummm...an HD-DVD disc can only be written with an HD-DVD burner, and read in an HD-DVD player.

[Phloyd]

Will The workflow for authoring blu ray on dvd5/9 work with blank HD-DVD disc of 15GB or 30GB? Can HD-DVD blank disc be written onto with standard DVD witer? If so wouldn't this eliminate the need to use multiple standard DVD's?

The requirements for HD DVD are different from BD so the workflow would not necessarily be the same. It should be the same for use with BDR(E)25 or BDR(E)50 though as it is for AVCHD except that you would use BDMV not AVCHD.

Why anyone would target HD DVD media at this point in the game is a pure mystery to me, since the media costs more per GB and the writers are slower and very hard to find and reportedly not very good if you do find one. Pretty much a lose/lose situation.

[PaulNg]

I just discovered from a fellow enthusiast that Subtitle Workshop 4.0beta 1 supports export to BDN XML file format + PNGs. So now you can convert text-based subtitles into a form that Scenarist BDMV (and HDMV) can accept!

In Subtitle Workshop, load the subtitle you want to make work for a Blu-ray, then set the appropriate framerate. Then go to File menu, select "Export To" then select "Custom Image Format".

In the dialog box, make sure you select "HD 1080" in the output options. More experimentation is needed - you need to match the subtitle framerate to the video framerate, and i don't know if you need drop-frames or not (probably not).

Make sure 8-bit PNGs are selected. You need to enter a file name, image file prefix, and then the output directory.

Does AVCHD support subtitle?
Can BD with subtitle be burned with AVCHD-in-DVD-R and play?

[Geaux Tigers]

If any of you good people would burn the LSU / Ohio State BCS National Championship Game to either HD DVD or Blu-ray then I would buy a copy from you. I would also like a copy of the 2003 LSU BCS National Championship Game in either format. Send me a PM. Thanks.

[maxleung]

Does AVCHD support subtitle?
Can BD with subtitle be burned with AVCHD-in-DVD-R and play?

I'm not sure what you mean by AVCHD. I do know that if you author a BDMV disc and burn onto DVD-9, it should work on any player that supports BDMV on DVD9.

[Chico_Stang]

Hello everyone. I am new in this forums. I've been following this thread for the past days.

The thing is that I've been trying to make an AVCHD DVD. First I tried with Nero Vision, but the transcoding process is too long and sometimes when it is going to burn it gives me an error, which is kind of frustrating.

I was not able to make the AVCHD DVD until I found this thread.

So I have a short documentary (13 minutes long) that I recorded last year in HDV 1080i. I edited the project in Vegas Pro and rendered as Sony AVCHD Blu-Ray HDV 1080 - 60i (with a bitrate of 15,000,000). The result is a hight quality AVCHD file of 1.5 GB aproximately.

After that I followed the steps described in the first post of this thread to burn that file to a DVD5. Well, I must say it worked. However, when I put the disc on my PS3, it recognizes it as a AVCHD DVD and plays it automatically (which is good). Now, when it is playing, both the audio and video play, but choppy (kind of freezes in intervals). I played the same file on my PC and it played flawlessly.

Now, my question is, what am I doing wrong? Also, MozartMan wrote this:

Yes, it is possible with TSRemux:

I can create AVCHD disk on DVD5/9 with TSRemux from HDV .m2t files re-encoding only audio and keeping video at original quality.
Re-encoding of HDV audio is required because it is MPEG audio, and Blu-ray disk doesn't support that. It has to be AC3.

The only downside of TSRemux is that it doesn't create (yet) menu.

I two have pure HDV .m2t files. As a matter of fact, I have the entire documentary edited into a .m2t file. I would like to do what MozartMan did, keep the HDV .m2t file at original quality and re-encode to AC3 only the audio, so I can then insert the new file (which I suppose will be .m2t but with AC3 audio) into TSRemux and make the AVCHD DVD5.

When I give the .m2t file to TSRemux it does not open it and an error appears ("Unhandled exception has ocurred in your application..."). I know it gives me that error because the file's audio is not AC3 (I tried with the same .m2t file but without audio an TSRemux accepted it). Unique problem is that it doesn't have audio. I want TSRemux to accept the file with audio.

So, can someone (or MozartMan) tell me exactly what is the procedure to do what I want? (Make an uncompressed .m2t file with AC3 audio so that TSRemux accepts it and I can proceed to make the DVD5).

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to explain myself clear. Help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[MozartMan]

I two have pure HDV .m2t files. As a matter of fact, I have the entire documentary edited into a .m2t file. I would like to do what MozartMan did, keep the HDV .m2t file at original quality and re-encode to AC3 only the audio, so I can then insert the new file (which I suppose will be .m2t but with AC3 audio) into TSRemux and make the AVCHD DVD5.

When I give the .m2t file to TSRemux it does not open it and an error appears ("Unhandled exception has ocurred in your application..."). I know it gives me that error because the file's audio is not AC3 (I tried with the same .m2t file but without audio an TSRemux accepted it). Unique problem is that it doesn't have audio. I want TSRemux to accept the file with audio.

So, can someone (or MozartMan) tell me exactly what is the procedure to do what I want? (Make an uncompressed .m2t file with AC3 audio so that TSRemux accepts it and I can proceed to make the DVD5).

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to explain myself clear. Help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Chico_Stang,

TSRemux has problem opening native .M2T file because of MPEG-2 audio stream and some metadata in the header of the file.

You need:

1. De-multiplex .M2T file in elementary streams (.M2V video and .MPA audio)
2. Re-encode audio stream to AC3.
3. Multiplex back .M2V video and .AC3 audio elementary streams into the new .M2T transport stream file.
4. You should be able to load new .M2T file in TSRemux without any problem.

And use TSRemux 0.18. Latest version is buggy.

I use Womble MPEG Video Wizard to mux/de-mux .M2T files. There are some free muxers/de-muxers.

[Chico_Stang]

MozartMan,

Thanks for your reply.

I will try your method. However, I must tell you that I managed to burn the video by burning it in Vegas Pro (Burn Blu-Ray Disc option, with this settings: AVC 1080 60i 15mbs, and AC3 Pro Audio). I then took the .m2ts file from the STREAM folder Vegas Pro created on the DVD+RW (because Vegas Pro creates an AVCHD DVD, however the PS3 reads it as Data Disc) and copy/pasted it on my PC.

I then followed the same steps as before and, voila, I did it. The result is a perfect AVCHD DVD. My PS3 has no problems whatsoever reading the disc. I hope other Blu-Ray players can read the disc as well. It is not uncompressed though, so I will try to see if there's really a significant difference in image quality between what I have and the original.

Thanks alot again. If I see any changes I'll keep you guys informed.

[GodobeHD]

Chico, you are taking way too many steps and too long to create the AVCHD disk. If you convert HDV to HDDVD in vegas just for the sake of AC3 5.1, not only you are losing quality in the conversion but also its going to take a loooong time. From my experience 20min of HDV would easily take 2hours in Vegas.
You can follow the steps outlined by Tom Roper in previous pages. Using Womble to do this is your best bet. Basically the process is as follow:
1. If you want AC3 in your HDV just run the .m2t thru Womble and it will spit out .m2t with 5.1 audio in minutes instead of hours like Vegas, because it doesn't recode the HDV. If you can live with the stereo in HDV and want no editing of the audio then just skip this step. AVCHD does not require audio to be AC3 5.1.
2. Run the .m2t file thru Ulead MF6.
3. Run the stream file generated by Ulead thru TSremux
4. Swap the file in the folders
5. Burn the BDMV and Cert folder onto the DVD5 or 9.
here is Tom's detailed steps:

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, export to MPEG program stream with 5.1 audio. No re-encoding of video.
4.) Use Womble format converter to transcode it back to transport stream. No re-encoding of audio or video.
5.) Author it to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack.
6.) Using 0.18 TSRemux, author it to separate BDMV folders using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source.
7.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
8.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
9.) Burn it on red laser DVD with UDF2.5. I used Ulead for this as well.
10.) Perfect! (So far)
...
The whole process of burning HDV onto BD should involve no re-encoding of video at all and no re-encoding of audio if you stick with 2.1. The time this process takes for a 20 min HDV video should total around 20min even if you choose to add in AC3 audio.

[Schlotkins]

Good evening-

I'm about to buy Ulead MF6+ and the add-on to take TS files and make them work on my PS3. I haven't tried the latest methdology but just using the old Tsmux method resulted in files with either no audio or some studdering. I just want to confirm the new method was fixing this issue for many. (And if you have any coupon codes, that would be awesome as well!)

THanks,
Chris

[MozartMan]

Good evening-

I'm about to buy Ulead MF6+ and the add-on to take TS files and make them work on my PS3. I haven't tried the latest methdology but just using the old Tsmux method resulted in files with either no audio or some studdering. I just want to confirm the new method was fixing this issue for many. (And if you have any coupon codes, that would be awesome as well!)

THanks,
Chris
Chris

Yes, MF6+ fixed no audio and/or stuttering when playing back on PS3.

But MF6+ itself crashed on quite a few of my TS files. I downloaded VideoReDo trial for 15 days, and it fixed all problematic TS files and MF6+ doesn't crash any more. If you have a lot TS files and plan using MF6+ I would invest in VideoReDo.

[Schlotkins]

Chris

Yes, MF6+ fixed no audio and/or stuttering when playing back on PS3.

But MF6+ itself crashed on quite a few of my TS files. I downloaded VideoReDo trial for 15 days, and it fixed all problematic TS files and MF6+ doesn't crash any more. If you have a lot TS files and plan using MF6+ I would invest in VideoReDo.

Thanks for the reply. I do have VideoReDo already so I'm all set there! I guess I'll see if I can find some coupons and go for it!

Chris

[Chico_Stang]

Chico, you are taking way too many steps and too long to create the AVCHD disk. If you convert HDV to HDDVD in vegas just for the sake of AC3 5.1, not only you are losing quality in the conversion but also its going to take a loooong time. From my experience 20min of HDV would easily take 2hours in Vegas.
You can follow the steps outlined by Tom Roper in previous pages. Using Womble to do this is your best bet. Basically the process is as follow:
1. If you want AC3 in your HDV just run the .m2t thru Womble and it will spit out .m2t with 5.1 audio in minutes instead of hours like Vegas, because it doesn't recode the HDV. If you can live with the stereo in HDV and want no editing of the audio then just skip this step. AVCHD does not require audio to be AC3 5.1.
2. Run the .m2t file thru Ulead MF6.
3. Run the stream file generated by Ulead thru TSremux
4. Swap the file in the folders
5. Burn the BDMV and Cert folder onto the DVD5 or 9.
here is Tom's detailed steps:

The whole process of burning HDV onto BD should involve no re-encoding of video at all and no re-encoding of audio if you stick with 2.1. The time this process takes for a 20 min HDV video should total around 20min even if you choose to add in AC3 audio.

Hello again,

I know I'm taking too many steps, but this is the way it works for me, and I'm actually happy about it. I do not convert HDV to ACVHD DVD in Vegas just for the AC3 file. Vegas actually creates a .m2ts file that works well with TSRemux. And no, I do not loose quality. To me, the resulting .m2ts file looks almost (if not identical) to the uncompressed file.

The thing is that I always edit my HDV files in Vegas. I can render the project to an uncompressed .m2t file (Vegas only renders the parts which are modified; it does not render again if I put an HDV .m2t file, do nothing to it, and render as .m2t again).

The problems is that although the resulting video is still HDV .m2t as the original (uncompressed), Womble would not accept the file to mux it with the AC3 audio. So basically Womble only accepts the .m2t files which are directly from the camera and not edited. That's why I don't use that method. I edit all my projects, and even though I can render back the project to HDV .m2t, and split it with AC3 audio, Womble does not accept the video stream.

I tried with ImagoMPEG-Muxer and it did take the file (edited .m2t) and I can mux fine. But the resulting file comes out incomplete. I mean, the video stops where it shouldn't. For example, it the length of the video is 1 minute, it ends up stopping at 30 secs.

So after alot of procedures, I am happy with the way I make my AVCHD DVDs. I actually thank you guys for finding a way to do it (TSRemux). What i do is:

1) Capture the video as HDV to my PC using Vegas.
2) Edit the project in a HDV 1080i template as usual.
3) Instead of rendering as, when I finish editing, I go to Tools and choose burn Blu-Ray. And from there I select AVC Blu-Ray 1080 - 60i 15mbps stream with AC3 Pro Stereo Audio.
4) I burn it to a DVD+RW and then after that I copy the .m2ts file from the STREAM folder to my PC.
5) I open TSRemux and do the rest of the procedure.
6) Burn with Nero and done.

Altought some may think this is a complex process, I can say it is not. The good thing is that unlike Nero Vision, you can actually make a master file and avoid having to render everytime you want to burn. That's how I do and it works. If I find a better way to do it later, I will use it.

Thanks again for your answers. They have cleared alot of my doubts. :)

[MozartMan]

The problems is that although the resulting video is still HDV .m2t as the original (uncompressed), Womble would not accept the file to mux it with the AC3 audio. So basically Womble only accepts the .m2t files which are directly from the camera and not edited. That's why I don't use that method.

Chico,

This is strange because I can de-mux and then mux back edited .m2t file with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard without a problem.

[Tom Roper]

Chico,

This is strange because I can de-mux and then mux back edited .m2t file with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard without a problem.

Ditto here.

[Brajesh]

An easy alternative is to run your [TS, MPG, M2T, or M2TS] MPEG2 file thru Ulead MF6+ [w/o having to demux, then mux back] to get MPEG/PCM audio converted to AC3. In 'Project settings', make sure you check the box for 'Do not convert compliant MPEG files', but for audio, choose DD2.0 or 5.1. MF6+ will convert MPEG/PCM audio to AC3 but leave the video untouched. It will also make the file PS3-compliant/friendly in the process.

[Chico_Stang]

Chico,

This is strange because I can de-mux and then mux back edited .m2t file with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard without a problem.

Well I can only say that I can't. Perhaps Vegas does something to the file. I do not know. But anyway, after comparing what I have and the uncompressed file, I must say they look identical. So, while I wasn't able to mux the edited .m2t file with the AC3 audio, at least I now know the difference is not noticiable.

And Brajesh, I will try your method to see if it works for me. I'll keep you informed.

Edit:

I downloaded Ulead DVD MF6 (Trial) and when I add/import an .m2t video straight from the camera it says that the video is "not accessible". Do I need an HD plugin or something?

[GodobeHD]

... In 'Project settings', make sure you check the box for 'Do not convert compliant MPEG files', but for audio, choose DD2.0 or 5.1. MF6+ will convert MPEG/PCM audio to AC3 but leave the video untouched. It will also make the file PS3-compliant/friendly in the process.
I don't recall Ulead MF6+ can convert a stereo to 5.1 in its audio conversion. It just converts whatever audio to AC3 format without adding channels. But Womble seems to do that quite easily, it adds three channels to stereo audio and makes it into 5.1 on the fly without touching the vidoe.

Well I can only say that I can't. Perhaps Vegas does something to the file. I do not know. But anyway, after comparing what I have and the uncompressed file, I must say they look identical. So, while I wasn't able to mux the edited .m2t file with the AC3 audio, at least I now know the difference is not noticiable.

And Brajesh, I will try your method to see if it works for me. I'll keep you informed.

Edit:

I downloaded Ulead DVD MF6 (Trial) and when I add/import an .m2t video straight from the camera it says that the video is "not accessible". Do I need an HD plugin or something?
I think HD plugin should address that problem.

[Brajesh]

I've only done 2-channel MPEG audio to DD2.0 in Ulead, so don't know if it can convert to 5.1 w/2-channel source. The option is there, so I'd guess it could, but haven't tried it as I don't want fake 5.1 anyway.

[ninja.rogue]

Hello everybody.
I have a Panasonic AVCHD camcorder and a Blu Ray burner.
I would like to create 25 GB and 50 GB Blu Ray discs with menus.
I have problems with Nero which continuously crashes.
I also can use Ulead DMF 6 with HD pack, but the BR disc can't be played by my Panasonic DM-BD10.
What am I doing wrong?
Is there something very quick that I can use so that no re-encoding is necessary to have 25GB of AVCHD material?
Thank you all in advance
Paolo

[Schlotkins]

Ok, I ponyed up and got MF6+ and the HD pack. I ran my MPEG 1080i TS file through VideoReDo as specified. I have opened up the Blu-ray create video option in MF6+. Now I have a couple questions:

1) When I add the video, it asks if I want to update the project properties to match the video. I assume I should say yes?

2) When I go to create the output folders, it does video/audio multiplexing. It doesn't take a lot of time, but it does something there. Is it supposed to do that?

Thanks,
Chris

[MozartMan]

Ok, I ponyed up and got MF6+ and the HD pack. I ran my MPEG 1080i TS file through VideoReDo as specified. I have opened up the Blu-ray create video option in MF6+. Now I have a couple questions:

1) When I add the video, it asks if I want to update the project properties to match the video. I assume I should say yes?

2) When I go to create the output folders, it does video/audio multiplexing. It doesn't take a lot of time, but it does something there. Is it supposed to do that?

Thanks,
Chris
1) Yes, you should say yes. This way it will not re-encode video and/or audio. Also, make sure in the project properties you check that check box that says something like Do not re-compress compliant video.

2) Yes. It re-multiplexing video and audio into .M2TS file that is compliant with Blu-ray specs.

[Schlotkins]

Holy crap - it worked!! I watched the first 3 minutes of an Office episode that I wouldn't have made it through before and it worked! Thank you so much to everyone in this thread for figuring this out.

Now, two followup questions:

1) Can MF6+ recode MPEG to AVC and go on a DVD? I have some recordings greater than 8gigs and I'd love to get them on one disk. AVC is more efficient so it should be possible to get good quality.

2) Can you get menus to work on this? I assume no but I'll ask.

Thanks again!
Chris

[MozartMan]

Holy crap - it worked!! I watched the first 3 minutes of an Office episode that I wouldn't have made it through before and it worked! Thank you so much to everyone in this thread for figuring this out.

Now, two followup questions:

1) Can MF6+ recode MPEG to AVC and go on a DVD? I have some recordings greater than 8gigs and I'd love to get them on one disk. AVC is more efficient so it should be possible to get good quality.

2) Can you get menus to work on this? I assume no but I'll ask.

Thanks again!
Chris

1) Yes. MF6+ can re-encode MPEG-2 to AVC and you can author AVCHD disk project and then burn it to DVD5/9. Just select AVCHD project when you start MF6+. I tried that and quality of encoder is pretty good.

2) Yes. You can use basic menus to work with AVCHD disk and then burn it to DVD5. You don't get those fancy features for the menu when you select Blu-ray standard project, though.

[Schlotkins]

2) Yes. You can use basic menus to work with AVCHD disk and then burn it to DVD5. You don't get those fancy features for the menu when you select Blu-ray standard project, though.

Can you explain how to do that in the context of the workflow on page 32? Do I have to copy over additional files to the folders created with TsRemux?

Thanks,
Chris

[Nathan_R]

Hello everybody.
I have a Panasonic AVCHD camcorder and a Blu Ray burner.
I would like to create 25 GB and 50 GB Blu Ray discs with menus.
I have problems with Nero which continuously crashes.
I also can use Ulead DMF 6 with HD pack, but the BR disc can't be played by my Panasonic DM-BD10.
What am I doing wrong?
Is there something very quick that I can use so that no re-encoding is necessary to have 25GB of AVCHD material?
Thank you all in advance
Paolo

In my experience with both the BD10a and the BD30, I could only create BDAV discs in MF5 and MF6 that were playable on the Panny players. Someone in this thread has claimed to author a BDMV that works just dandy on the Panny players, but I sure as hell haven't been able to do so after nine or ten months.

[alluringreality]

Can you explain how to do that in the context of the workflow on page 32? Do I have to copy over additional files to the folders created with TsRemux?

That workflow is only needed to create a PS3 compatible AVCHD containing mpeg2 video. Just use the AVCHD option in the Ulead software and you'll get H264 video with the choice to add menus that play on the PS3. If you would like to pre-transcode the file instead of having it done when the disk is burned, there's an export option with MF6+. The Ulead software has a number of settings which will determine the resulting quality of the transcode.

[Phloyd]

In my experience with both the BD10a and the BD30, I could only create BDAV discs in MF5 and MF6 that were playable on the Panny players. Someone in this thread has claimed to author a BDMV that works just dandy on the Panny players, but I sure as hell haven't been able to do so after nine or ten months.

I have no idea about MF software but BDMV authored with DVDit Pro HD works just fine in the Panasonic BD10 on DVDR or BDR(E) media.

[jamawass]

That's really cool. Thanks for reporting your success with it. We all share the desire to advance the process, or find a better one to include menus and chapter stops at scene breaks.

The method listed by Brajesh didn't work for me. I converted a 2 min .ts file captured with a fusion hdtv card 720p 5.1 of House, burned on a dvd+rw; all I got was a black screen displaying "AVCHD" on my Sony bdp-s300. The unit's display showed "play" but nothing happened.
When I used the AVCHD option in Mf 6 I got picture and sound; not sure what I"m doing wrong.
As a side note UMf 6's encoder is slow but it's pretty good for TV shows IMO with relatively low bitrates anyway.

[GodobeHD]

....When I used the AVCHD option in Mf 6 I got picture and sound; not sure what I"m doing wrong.
As a side note UMf 6's encoder is slow but it's pretty good for TV shows IMO with relatively low bitrates anyway.

Its "BDMV" option in Ulead MF6+, not "AVCHD". No encoding should take place in MF6, only "multiplexing", you should see the task bar going to 99% in the first second.

[jamawass]

Its "BDMV" option in Ulead MF6+, not "AVCHD". No encoding should take place in MF6, only "multiplexing", you should see the task bar going to 99% in the first second.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough:I used the BDMV setting, as in Brajesh's guide. I only tried AVCHD when bdmv didn't work.

[Brajesh]

jamawass, I haven't tried 720p yet, only 1080i. Also, I only have the PS3 as my BD player. Maybe 720p is the issue, possibly your source TS file, or the Sony BDP-S300. I've authoerd 720p HD DVDs w/Ulead w/o any issues though.

If I had your 720p TS, as a test, I'd run it thru TSRemux w/M2TS output and see if the PS3 plays it. If yes, then there's a good chance you could use Ulead to author BDMV Blu-ray, then use TSRemux to wrap it in an AVCHD container.

[Schlotkins]

Just to follow up, I burnt Sudden Death off Universal HD onto a DVD+R DL (about 7gigs) and it ran the entire time with no problems. (This is a 1080i MPEG TS file I got using the DVHS tool.) Fast Forward was choppy but it never puked or anything like that.

I have a disc at home I converted to H264 using MF6+ but I haven't tried it yet. Does anyone know if the encoder in MF6+ will take advantage of all 4 cores of a quad core? I ran it on a lowly D805 and it took forever. I was going to get a dual core, but this may put me into quad cores now. :)

Thanks,
Chris

[jamawass]

jamawass, I haven't tried 720p yet, only 1080i. Also, I only have the PS3 as my BD player. Maybe 720p is the issue, possibly your source TS file, or the Sony BDP-S300. I've authoerd 720p HD DVDs w/Ulead w/o any issues though.

If I had your 720p TS, as a test, I'd run it thru TSRemux w/M2TS output and see if the PS3 plays it. If yes, then there's a good chance you could use Ulead to author BDMV Blu-ray, then use TSRemux to wrap it in an AVCHD container.

Do you want me to send you a copy of the file? Where would I upload it to?

[Brajesh]

Sure, I can test it. Can you use rapidshare.com or similar, then PM me the link. A small 30sec clip is enough.

[GodobeHD]

Ulead MF6+ will convert Mpeg2 to AVCHD, but it seems to take forever and it won't allow you to burn it to a folder, only straight to a disk.

The resulted AVC image seems decent in PQ but has more artifact from motion scenes compared to the original high bit rate mpeg2 video.

But the worst part of doing AVCHD with menu in Ulead is that there is NO garanttee it will play in all BD players. So far PS3, Sony and Panny will. Others like LG, Samsung and Sharp won't recogenize the disk.

[Brian Conrad]

Are you renaming the TS to MPG? That works with my 300S no remuxing necessary. But I'm using files from HDHomeRun. I have a Fusion card but it saves the files as .TP files which seem to be different from TS files so they may require some remuxing. I'll test a TP file renamed to MPG to see if it plays. My Linkplayer2 never liked the TP files either.

[alluringreality]

But the worst part of doing AVCHD with menu in Ulead is that there is NO garanttee it will play in all BD players. So far PS3, Sony and Panny will. Others like LG, Samsung and Sharp won't recogenize the disk.

Actually we had a reply (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12559093#post12559093) that the LG will play AVCHD from Ulead. Samsung and Sharp certainly might not play AVCHD from the reports I've read.

- Does anyone know if the Samsung or Sharp would play BDMV on DVD with menus? My BDP-S1 will play BDMV on DVD, but there's a lot of stuff my player will read that the PS3 refuses.

- Is there any Blu-ray on DVD format that is confirmed to play on all players? I would guess that if the AVCHD from Ulead wouldn't play on Samsung or Sharp, then it's certainly not a given that the PS3 compatability procedure using tsremux would necessarily work. I haven't ran across any comments of people playing HD material on a Sharp or Samsung from DVD, so has anyone been able to playback HD material from DVD with those players?

[Brian Conrad]

I checked with a 3 minute 720p TP file renamed to MPG on a disk and though the 300S saw the file it reported it couldn't play it so you will have to remux to a TS.

[GodobeHD]

Actually we had a reply (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12559093#post12559093) that the LG will play AVCHD from Ulead. Samsung and Sharp certainly might not play AVCHD from the reports I've read.

- Does anyone know if the Samsung or Sharp would play BDMV on DVD with menus? My BDP-S1 will play BDMV on DVD, but there's a lot of stuff my player will read that the PS3 refuses.

- Is there any Blu-ray on DVD format that is confirmed to play on all players? I would guess that if the AVCHD from Ulead wouldn't play on Samsung or Sharp, then it's certainly not a given that the PS3 compatability procedure using tsremux would necessarily work. I haven't ran across any comments of people playing HD material on a Sharp or Samsung from DVD, so has anyone been able to playback HD material from DVD with those players?
LG will play AVCHD without menu, the one created by TSRemux. The Samsung stand alone BD player (not the combo) may play AVCHD with menu as I recall.

But the problem is that the possibility of combinations is just too large. We have manufactures: PS3, Sony BD, Panny, Pioneer, Samsung, LG and Sharp, and we have BD formats: BDMV, BDAV and AVCHD, and you can author the disk with or without the menu, and you can burn the content onto different media, BD25, BD50, BDRW, DVD+/-R, DVD DL+/-R.
If the HDDVD experience is any guide, then any of these factors can come into play. Fortunately with HDDVD you have only one manufacture (though different models with different results), no blue laser media to test.
The possibility with BD authoring at this stage is literally over 200. I don't know if anybody can test all of those combinations.

[Schlotkins]

The resulted AVC image seems decent in PQ but has more artifact from motion scenes compared to the original high bit rate mpeg2 video.

I'm having the same problem. I put in 11,000kb/s, 100% quality and 2 pass encode. I was getting artifacts all over the place. Ugh. I guess I'll just break up big MPEG files onto two discs.

Chris

[Schlotkins]

Well, it must just be something with the encoder. I put in a 3 minute clip of Mean Girls recorded off TNT. I did a double pass, 100 quality and 17,000 kb/s, which at MPEG4 should be very comparible to the 19mbit/sec MPEG2 stream. Even with not a lot of movement, I still got a lot of artifacts. Maybe it's my clips, but I really doubt it.

Are there any other encoders out there that would make H.264 MF6+/Blu-ray compliment streams? I don't mind throwing money at this stuff but I'd like to make sure it would work first.

Thank you,
Chris

[alluringreality]

Are there any other encoders out there that would make H.264 MF6+/Blu-ray compliment streams? I don't mind throwing money at this stuff but I'd like to make sure it would work first.

I tried a 2-pass at 18000 on one of my ATSC recordings for a high-motion scene and I couldn't quickly pick out any difference on my 60" TV, but anyway what you are asking for is basically something that can create H264 m2ts. The number of programs that seem to be able to do that at this time appears limited. This certainly isn't a comprehensive list of programs that can probably do m2ts, but it might be a good portion of current commercial solutions for under $800.

Nero (Vision?) will also transcode like Ulead and can be used from the trial.

Sony Vegas Pro 8 (6 plus upgrade is approx $180) is supposed to have an output option going to m2ts, but using the trial a number of things reported in the Sony forums didn't work for me.

Adobe CS3 is reported to be able to output m2ts but I couldn't get the area that goes to disk to work in the trial.


I think you listed having a PS3, so probably your best bet is to forget Blu-ray compatability (m2ts) and look into what will work on the PS3. I don't have a PS3 so I haven't looked too far into what exactly might play on the PS3.

[Brian Conrad]

Of course Video Studio 11+ also encodes AVCHD. I also have Nero 8 but it crashes before finishing encoding the file. And the transport stream is still 188 byte packets though my 300S could play the file anyway (renamed with an MPG extension of course). I even cleaned out the installation of Nero 8 and reinstalled with the latest version which let it encode a little longer. I guess we have to wait until Nero 8 is out of Beta. :D

I have also been able to encode AVCHD with Pinnacle Studio 11 Plus and there you do get an option for bitrate.

[baf4sc]

So as a noob to this, I have a question. I have read through the post and understand a good portion of what is in it. But where do you get the content from. Is it best to use a pc tuner and just do over the air content? Can you use Tivo HD to go? Does ATI's new Digital Cable Card Tuner work? Is there another thread I should be reading for this? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
Bryan

[latreche34]

I didn't realy care obout converting to AVCHD I just output to MPEG2 as Program Stream using videoredo and burn to DVD-R DL and plays fine on my PS3, however I'm getting a hard time with Shrek 2. PS3 displays green frames every few seconds, but plays fine on the computer ? any idea?

[Schlotkins]

I have Nero so I used there software to make an AVCHD disk. The first disk I just had Nero encode my Mpeg2 TS file. The encode didn't have any of the weird artifacts in it as the MF6+ encode did, but it suffered from the same studdering as before. I then used MF6+ to the multiplexing and used that m2ts file in Nero and it worked like a charm. I encoded at 14,000 kbps and it looked pretty darn good. Maybe not perfect on some of the fast moving scenes, but really close.

So, if you want to make AVCHD discs, I would recommend using Nero's encoder... it worked much better for me.

Thanks,
Chris

[MozartMan]

I didn't realy care obout converting to AVCHD I just output to MPEG2 as Program Stream using videoredo and burn to DVD-R DL and plays fine on my PS3, however I'm getting a hard time with Shrek 2. PS3 displays green frames every few seconds, but plays fine on the computer ? any idea?

I have the same thing with one .TS file.

1. After I transferred video from HD DVR to PC I got 11GB .TS file. I ran it through VideoReDo. Then I ran file through Ulead MF 6+ and got .M2TS file. Then I burned it to BD-RE inside VIDEO folder. When I play it on PS3 via XMB I get those blinking green frames. I had the same thing after I copied that file to internal hard disk.

2. I decided to author BDMV disk with Ulead MF with menus and chapters, and then burned to BD-RE again as BDMV disks. Video plays perfectly.

I guess that PS3 doesn't like something sometimes in those .TS files when playing from BD-RE (DVD in your case) or internal hard disk. But it plays great when playing from BDMV authored disk.

[Brian Conrad]

I have Nero so I used there software to make an AVCHD disk. The first disk I just had Nero encode my Mpeg2 TS file. The encode didn't have any of the weird artifacts in it as the MF6+ encode did, but it suffered from the same studdering as before. I then used MF6+ to the multiplexing and used that m2ts file in Nero and it worked like a charm. I encoded at 14,000 kbps and it looked pretty darn good. Maybe not perfect on some of the fast moving scenes, but really close.

So, if you want to make AVCHD discs, I would recommend using Nero's encoder... it worked much better for me.

Thanks,
Chris
So you're talking Nero with the BluRay and HD-DVD plug-in? I'm just using Nero 8 without the plug-in where they've added AVCHD file encoding to Nero Vision. What kind of system are you on? I haven't installed Nero 8 on my Vista laptop it's just running on my XP Pro machine.

[k-mt]

hi, i'm a complete newbie went it comes to blue ray, i read some pages in this thread, and i have no idea what you guys are talking about!,so forgive me because you will think these are really dumb questions:
so you guys can make your own blue ray disks?,do you do this on your computer?,how?,can you make back-up copies of commercial blue ray disks?,can you record from your cable box to blue ray?,how would you connect your cable box to your computer?
i was thinking of purchasing a dvd recorder,but i would rather get a blue ray player if i can do all this!

[latreche34]

hi, i'm a complete newbie went it comes to blue ray, i read some pages in this thread, and i have no idea what you guys are talking about!,so forgive me because you will think these are really dumb questions:
so you guys can make your own blue ray disks?,do you do this on your computer?,how?,can you make back-up copies of commercial blue ray disks?,can you record from your cable box to blue ray?,how would you connect your cable box to your computer?
i was thinking of purchasing a dvd recorder,but i would rather get a blue ray player if i can do all this!

This thread is not realy for blue-ray copying, it just describe ways to make a readable HD video file in blue-ray players including PS3, whether you have satellite or cable box you will end up with HD video file on your hard drive usualy in MPEG2 TS format 720p or 1080i screen resolution, as of how to get that file into your hard drive there is plenty of threads in this forum shows you how to copy or capture HD video to your computer hard drive based on which box do you have, hope this helps.

[dj7675]

First, I wanted to thank those that have posted instructions/comments on burning HD content to DVD media. It works perfectly for me.
I would also like the convenience of streaming HD content (1080i MPeg2) content to the PS3 as well. When I set up TVersity it will stream but playback is not solid and has green flashes. Does anyone have a workflow for streaming hd to the PS3?

Thanks

Darin

[Schlotkins]

So you're talking Nero with the BluRay and HD-DVD plug-in? I'm just using Nero 8 without the plug-in where they've added AVCHD file encoding to Nero Vision. What kind of system are you on? I haven't installed Nero 8 on my Vista laptop it's just running on my XP Pro machine.


No, I am just using Nero Vision to make AVCHD discs. With that said, I had some studdering on another encode this morning so I have more work to do to get this to work. I'm not sure if the problem is my streams (the TS MPEG2 parts work fine) or it just requires a professional level encoder.

Chris

[saunupe1911]

I can't get Nero 8 to recognize any HD mp4, mkv, or h.264 files. What files will it recognize. Is there anyway to tranzcode h.264 video to Mpeg2? This way I can burn it to disc will AC3 and DTS audio. Right now convert AC3 and DTS audio to 5.1 AAC for mp4 playback, but it's not the same. It does sound great though.

My goal is to somehow combine h.264 (or equivalent HD video) with AC3 or DTS audio for playback in the PS3. I know it can work in a VOB, but you can only fast forward at 1.5x speed and you can't stop playback. It seems VideoRedo might do the trick after reading through some of the threads.

[saunupe1911]

Woo-hoo! Got it to work using a slight modification to Tom's method. Tried 4 different TS files that previously resulted in stutters w/o audio on the PS3. Now they all play perfectly. Tried DVD+RW, DVD+R SL and a DVD-R DL.

Here's my workflow, which is very similar to Tom's.


Take your hi-def capture and run it through VideoRedo (VRD). MPEG2VCR also works according to MozartMan, but I find VRD better. Cut out segments you don't want. Click 'Save As...' and choose 'Transport Stream (*.ts)' for output. Before this, if you haven't done so just once before, after you open VRD, click 'Tools', then while holding down the 'Shift' key, choose 'Options'. This gives you extra setup options. Find the line 'Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs' and enable it to 'True'.
Run your VRD-generated TS through Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+ with their HD Power Pack (http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1190954650114) plug-in. It costs $20, but Google "ulead coupon" and you might find a 10% off coupon as I did. Start the Ulead launcher w/o any disc in your drive. Click 'New Video Project' button, then click 'OK' to choose your drive, then choose 'Blu-ray' with 'BDMV' option and click 'OK'. Once you're in, disable menu option and don't add any chapters.
Run your Ulead-generated M2TS file (in the BDMV/STREAM folder) through TSRemux v0.0.18 with the 'Blu-Ray' output option to another folder on your hard drive. Set chapter markers to however many minutes you want.
Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux-generated BDMV/STREAM folder and copy over 0000.m2ts from the Ulead-generated BDMV/STREAM folder. Rename 0000.m2ts to 0001.m2ts.
Burn the TSRemux 'BDMV' and 'CERTIFICATE' folders to any DVD media with Nero 7 or 8. Make sure you choose 'DVD-ROM (UDF)', then under the 'UDF' tab, choose 'Manual settings' and 'Physical partition' with 'UDF 2.50'.
Perfect playback w/DD 2.0 or 5.1 audio on the PS3 with chapters and smooth forward/reverse scan. No menus, but I don't need them.


Will these steps work for h.264 video.

[Rieper]

Does anyone have any idea when the Sony BNR-50AHE BD50 Double-Layer disc will be available for under $20 per disc?

The current price per disc is hovering around $35. That's just too much...

[Phloyd]

The cheapest DL I have seen is the Panasonic that can be occasionally got from Fry's for $25 (http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4907181?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).

[Rieper]

The cheapest DL I have seen is the Panasonic that can be occasionally got from Fry's for $25 (http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4907181?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).

Thanks. Been looking for a nice price on BR-DL media for awhile now.

[jmhc]

Hello there:

I've just got the BMDV files from 6 different ts files, but now I want to convert them into a single BMDV folder or an iso image.

Can somebody please tell me how can I do this?

P.D.: Sorry if somebody asked this before, I just got tired reading

[alluringreality]

Does anyone know what players might not be able to play BDMV from Media Factory on BD-RE?

Here is the wiki:
"Consumers should be aware that most commercial players, like the Samsung BD-UP5000, will not play a BD-R or BD-RE disk at all. In other words, the only media they will play are commercial Blu-ray movie disks, not movies made on a computer Blu-ray recorder. As a result, consumers cannot buy a Blu-ray disk recorder for their home movies and watch them on most commercial Blu-ray players. Some early -player models permitted this, but after a grace period, new versions of player firmware prohibit it."

According to http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=20850 it looks like BDMV on BD-RE should play on most players. I thought Benes wrote something about this but I was unable to find the reply by searching or going through the pages around when I thought he brought it up.

[Brajesh]

Will these steps work for h.264 video.
Nope, only MPEG2. For AVC, I'd just run it thru TSRemux w/Blu-ray output. In my case, the video stutters on my PS3, but if I burn just the AVC M2TS file onto a DVD, it plays fine.

[Brian Conrad]

What I'm interested in doing and the remuxers don't do yet is take the AVC clips from my Aiptek A-HD camera that are using the Quicktime wrapper and turn them into transport streams. Though a programmer I haven't dug deep enough into the AVC data to see if it is the same as an AVCHD stream which it probably is. The only thing one might have to do is convert the AAC audio to PCM or AC3 which could be done with some utilities while just copying the video stream and then remuxing. So far with those utilities (like Mencoder) you can't output to an MPEG-2 transport stream.

[MozartMan]

What I'm interested in doing and the remuxers don't do yet is take the AVC clips from my Aiptek A-HD camera that are using the Quicktime wrapper and turn them into transport streams.
.....
The only thing one might have to do is convert the AAC audio to PCM or AC3 which could be done with some utilities while just copying the video stream and then remuxing.
Brian,

Try this new tool:

smartLabs tsMuxeR: Transport Stream muxer

Supported output formats:
- TS
- M2TS

Supported video codecs:
- H.264
- VC-1
- MPEG2

Supported audio codecs:
- AAC
- AC3 / E-AC3(DD+)
- Dolby True HD (for streams with AC3 core only)
- DTS/ DTS-HD

Supported containers and formats:
- elementary stream
- Transport stream TS and M2TS
- Program stream EVO/VOB/MPG
- Matroska MKV/MKA

Additional features currently implemented:
* Ability to set muxing fps manually and automatically
* Ability to change level for H.264 streams
* Ability to shift a sound tracks
* Ability to extract DTS core from DTS-HD
* Ability to extract AC3 core from Dolby True HD
* Ability to join files.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134104

[alluringreality]

I don't keep up on doom9, so a nice post MozartMan. Now the question is, has anyone come up with a way to replace m2ts files that works on the PS3? That way the Ulead or Nero menus could be used with files that they will not accept without transcoding. I can replace stream and clipinf files from the Ulead output and it will work on my player, but I was told that the PS3 wouldn't play the disk.

[Brian Conrad]

MozartMan, I've tried TSMuxer but it doesn't handle Quicktime files. MPEG-4 even if AVC will often be in the Quicktime wrapper. AVCHD uses an MPEG-2 transport stream wrapper. Currently the interest seems to be in remuxing broadcast, cable and HD-DVD streams but not the more common Quicktime wrapped MPEG-4s. There are folks who would like to play the AVC files their hybrid cameras produce on PS3s and BluRay players. A utility that remuxes those files would be useful as there appears to be no need to recode the AVC data, just the audio (as AAC I don't recall is supported). One can recode these files using something like VS 11+ but that is time consuming.

[alluringreality]

Have you tried to demux the files? I thought the program said it could use elementary streams.

Have you tried to go from the current container to mkv? There might even be programs that would allow you to recode the audio in the process.

[tsw01]

I made some important updates to the Scenarist guide. First we no longer have to use the ps3bdfix tool to remove the copy bit. There is just a simple fix for it in the xml file. Note that you must perform this fix on EVERY disc you make and no matter what player you will be using. It is not just for PS3.

And also the latest version of h264info alpha 0018 will apparently remove pulldown from HDDVD AVC streams allowing them to be authored to Blu-ray.

thank you very much:)

[Brian Conrad]

Have you tried to demux the files? I thought the program said it could use elementary streams.

Have you tried to go from the current container to mkv? There might even be programs that would allow you to recode the audio in the process.

There is a commercial program that might change the container to MKV. I'll check the trial version just to test if the AVC stream works. However remuxing from the MOV file to a transport stream may not be that difficult. It's just that I hate the MPEG codec. Too much bitpacking (an old computer programming technique to save space) for my tastes which makes it difficult to analyze the data. There's no bit packing in Quicktime (MP4) or AVIs.

[GodobeHD]

I know with HDDVD there are tools that will convert authored video_ts files back to original .ts or .mpg files. Is there any software out there that can reverse the BD authoring process, like converting the 00001.ts in the Stream folder back to the orignal video file?

[MozartMan]

I know with HDDVD there are tools that will convert authored video_ts files back to original .ts or .mpg files. Is there any software out there that can reverse the BD authoring process, like converting the 00001.ts in the Stream folder back to the orignal video file?
Files inside STREAM folder have .m2ts extension.
TSRemux should do it. Load .M2TS file and select TS (188 byte packets) radio button.

[GodobeHD]

Super, Mozart, I will give it a try.

[MozartMan]

Ok comrades, I think I got it.

I have AVCHD disk

1) Authored with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack. Disk has Main Menu, Chapters Menu.
2) Burned with Nero to 8x DVD+RW
3) Played perfectly on PS3

The trick is, video is HDV MPEG-2 with original quality @25Mb/s CBR (not AVC @15Mb/s) from my HDV camcoder.

Will do more tests later this evening, gotta go have some sleep (it is after midnight). :)

[dargo]

Is there any way of burning a wmv-hd file to blu-ray
I've done mpeg-2 ts file with no problem but wonder about
HD video from wmv source? I can convert the wmv to mpeg-2 as a mpg
but not as a transport stream, any help you can throw my way.

thanks.

[GodobeHD]

Ok comrades, I think I got it.

I have AVCHD disk

1) Authored with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack. Disk has Main Menu, Chapters Menu.
2) Burned with Nero to 8x DVD+RW
3) Played perfectly on PS3

The trick is, video is HDV MPEG-2 with original quality @25Mb/s CBR (not AVC @15Mb/s) from my HDV camcoder.

Will do more tests later this evening, gotta go have some sleep (it is after midnight). :)
which one are you talking about? creating a BDMV or AVCHD with MF6+ on a DVD5? you mind listing some detailed steps? Thanks.

[MozartMan]

which one are you talking about? creating a BDMV or AVCHD with MF6+ on a DVD5? you mind listing some detailed steps? Thanks.
I am talking about creating AVCHD project on DVD5 with MF6+ (BDMV folder and video encoded with AVC codec), but using your precious MPEG-2 videos on the disk without re-encoding to AVC.

I found a trick how to do that: have main menu, chapters menu, chapters, and use MPEG-2 video, either HDV (1440x10800) or TS (1920x1080).

I am still doing some test and polishing workflow. I will post guide it in a couple of days.

[MozartMan]

Here is the Part I of my guide how to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD. I attached PDF file to my post.

Edit:

I removed PDF file from this post. See my post here for complete guide.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

[GodobeHD]

Fantastic Guide!!!
Thanks Mozart for figuring this out! Now if this process can be shortened (in your part II maybe) it will be even better.

[Tom Roper]

Here is the Part I of my guide how to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD. I attached PDF file to my post.

That's really interesting. I wonder if it would be possible to use MF6+ to author the whole menu'd, chaptered, HDV mpeg2/AC3-5.1 BDMV project into folders, then do the same with TSRemux 0.018, and replace the 3 files from the TSRemux project with the ones from the MF6+ project?

Can't wait for part 2...

[alluringreality]

I didn't think to try the playlist files, that must have been why it would play on my player and not the PS3. I'm going to guess that chapters are stored in the playlist file. If chapters are stored in the playlist, then you can probably just use generic m2ts clips as placeholders when creating the AVCHD version. One thing that's not in the PDF is that the backup files would also be intended to be replaced. Anyway, maybe with this I can now do 24p Blu-ray with menus.

[Schlotkins]

Where's the best place to get BD-RE media? I assume the PS3 can play movies burnt on this right?

[MozartMan]

New version 0.0.20 of TSRemux is out:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

New version 0.20:

* Fixed EVO/VOB/MPG file handling
* Fixed MPLS generation from above (big thanks to all contributors)
* Added DTS HD to DTS in blu-ray streams


To Do: language selection for subtitles/audio streams as opposed to setting them all to english.

As usual for any issues, especially crashes a small sample is very much appreciated.


PS
It's weekend finally. I am going to work on the guide Part II.

[Brajesh]

Looking forward to it. Thanks for all your work on this. I think we need to create a new thread collecting all info in the first post, similar to what Joe did on the HD DVD side.

[Schlotkins]

Has anyone fooled around with Nero Vision very much? I've been trying to create some AVC-HD discs and having the program re-encode my MPEG2 TS files into MPEG4. Whelp, after I decided the quality was good enough, I went to try my first complete movie. The problem is I couldn't get the program to let me select anything less than 12,000kbps. This was an issue, of course, because I needed about 11,000kbps to get my movie on one DL disc.

Can anyone confirm this behavior? I'm going to give MF6+ another try, but I got terrible results with their encoder....

THanks,
Chris

[MozartMan]

.

[Schlotkins]

Riddle me this:

I have a clip that is 6 minutes 57 seconds long. I have Nero Vision setup to encode it at 12,000 kbit/s and auto set to automatic. Let's assume the audio is 384kbit/s for a total bitrate of 12,384kbit/sec. (Does anyone know what the actual audio bit rate is set to?)

So that's 417 seconds * 12,384kbit = 5351778 kbits or 668,972kb. Nero is telling me the project is going to take up "0.76 out of 4.38 GB." I am assuming the GB in Nero is in actual GB so that would be 668,972/(1024*1024), which would give a file size of 0.64GB. I also have menus turned off. Does all of the other garbage on a AVC-HD disc really take up 120megs? Using TSRemux, the other stuff is taking up about 20 megs.

Perhaps I'm mixing something up here but that seems pretty darn high.

Thanks,
Chris

[MozartMan]

OK guys. I finished my guide:

How to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD on DVD5
using Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack
without re-encoding MPEG-2 to AVC.

PDF file attached to my post. Feel free to ask any question regarding my guide.

[alluringreality]

Reading through the PDF, I wonder if there's any need for page 2. In your testing was there any indication for the 5 types and all that? Did you run into any issues that were cleared up by using the 5 types as explained? I would think that if you're replacing playlist, clipinf and stream files that it might not matter what types of files are used in the AVCHD. Certainly having a m2ts file so that they don't have to transcode makes sense, but in theory I question if having a matching type file is necessary because in the end you're using the BDMV clips and information files.

[latreche34]

If you want to just play your HDV video with PS3 there is no need to all this just capture your video as MPEG2 PS not TS , burn to media, load to your PS3 and enjoy, why convert sound to dolby 5.1 while originaly is not, I captured all my HDV tapes this way burned to DVD-R DL and works like a charm. the whole issue is getting HD movies captured from satellite or cable to play, those are realy tough to play with.

[MozartMan]

alluringreality,

I burned disk from your iso file. It plays on PS3 without any problem.

[MozartMan]

If you want to just play your HDV video with PS3 there is no need to all this just capture your video as MPEG2 PS not TS , burn to media, load to your PS3 and enjoy, why convert sound to dolby 5.1 while originaly is not, I captured all my HDV tapes this way burned to DVD-R DL and works like a charm. the whole issue is getting HD movies captured from satellite or cable to play, those are realy tough to play with.
latreche34,

You are absolutely right, except that PS3 will play native HDV transport stream file with original .M2T extension from any media, so there is no need to capture HDV as PS. Also, if I want to edit my HDV file later, Vegas will not accept it as PS file.

But if you want to send your HDV file to somebody else who doesn't have PS3, but has stand alone BD player, they won't be able to see you HDV movie, unless you author it on disk as Blu-ray or AVCHD.

Plus you can have menus and chapters.

[alluringreality]

I burned disk from your iso file. It plays on PS3 without any problem.

Thanks. After you mentioned that the playlist contains stream information in that first PDF I was hoping that might explain why the PS3 wasn't playing my previous test disk.

[alluringreality]

By defualt MF6+ doesn't seem to be able to work with 24p video for Blu-ray. The following is how I created the 24p test clip. If you want to put mpeg2 on AVCHD with a menu and chapters, this would likely also work. It's quite possible that there might be issues with this, so if you would happen to try this and find any then please post. The general idea is that you'll have a working directory based on Media Factory 6+ files (MF6+) and then you'll replace or modify files in the Streams, Clipinf, Playlist, and Backup directories in order to use Blu-ray compatible video that MF6+ doesn't directly support.

1 - I began an AVCHD project with MF6+ (BDMV would also probably work if you have Blu-ray media), and created a project like usual with menus and chapters. I was using a transcoded clip (created by using the export option), but you could also use a generic m2ts clip like MozartMan describes.

2 - I then burned the finished project to disk. This has to be done for AVCHD, but if you're working on a BDMV project you can just create folders.

3 - I copied the AVCHD files from disk to the hard disk. For this step your OS has to be able to read UDF 2.5, but I was using Vista which does. If you're working on BDMV, then these files would have already been created in the last step. These files will be the working directory for the modified disk. In steps 5-8 I refer to these main files as the MF6+ directories.

4 - I created the video that would replace the MF6+ output. For my project I ran the 24p clip through Tsremux and created Blu-ray folders. These were the files I inserted to replace the MF6+ files. For this step you need to have Blu-ray compatible audio and video files. If you're not using 24p files and want to put mpeg2 into AVCHD, then you can create a menuless BDMV project with MF6+ instead for this step. In steps 5 and 6 I refer to these files as Tsremux, because that's what I was using.

5 - I renamed the Clipinf and Stream files from Tsremux to match the MF6+ names. The naming convention for the MF6+ files has the first clip called 00000 and then the next clip is 00001 in a series for how many ever clips you have. There will be some extras that are used for menus, but you only have to be concerned with the files related to the audio and video clips. After renaming, then I used the Tsremux Clipinf and Stream files to replace the ones in the MF6+ directores.

6 - I hex edited the MF6+ Playlist file to match the Tsremux Playlist file. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1097741#post1097741 for more information. Because my clips only had one video and one audio stream, the items I had to change were the first three columns in rows 80h and 90h.

7 - I copied the Playlist and Clipinf files in the main MF6+ directories to replace the backup files in the MF6+ directories.

8 - I burned the modified MF6+ BDMV directory to DVD using Nero 8 with UDF 2.5 format set.

[fatherom]

OK guys. I finished my guide:

How to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD on DVD5
using Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack
without re-encoding MPEG-2 to AVC.

PDF file attached to my post. Feel free to ask any question regarding my guide.

Also I have small AVCHD-MPEG2 disk with main menu, chapters menu, and two chapters. Video is 1 min 17 seconds long. I zipped the whole finished BDMV folder into ZIP file. The file size 124 MB. Then I split it in three pieces for easy download, each file around 42MB. I posted those files on some web space. If somebody wants to try my AVCHD-MPEG2 sample on their PS3 or other BD player, PM me, and I will send you link to the files.

Nice guide...I must be missing something though. How is this different than the Brajesh/Tom process which uses TSRemux and ULead? That also results in an AVCHD disc that plays in the PS3, using MPEG-2 video.

Apologies if I missed something obvious. :)

Chris

[MozartMan]

Nice guide...I must be missing something though. How is this different than the Brajesh/Tom process which uses TSRemux and ULead? That also results in an AVCHD disc that plays in the PS3, using MPEG-2 video.

Apologies if I missed something obvious. :)

Chris

Brajesh/Tom process uses BDMV folder structure generated by TSRemux, and .M2TS video file generated by Ulead.
It works great, but you don't have menus on your AVCHD-MPEG2 disk.

With my guide you have menus.

[Schlotkins]

Does anyone have any experience with the Memorex 2x BD-REs? Any reason to go with BD-R over BD-RE, minus cost of course.

Thank you,
Chris

[Schlotkins]

I have a friend who has tried them. Works fine in the PS3. Between us we have tested about 6 different brands of BD-RE and they all work. I haven't heard of any BD media yet that has a problem in PS3.

No. And even the cost is not a big deal. Its only a couple of bucks more and you can re-use them.

Awesome - thanks. Do all of these REs have hardcoating on them like the commercial discs?

Cheers,
Chris

[paintit77]

OK guys. I finished my guide:

How to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD on DVD5
using Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack
without re-encoding MPEG-2 to AVC.

PDF file attached to my post. Feel free to ask any question regarding my guide.

Just to let everyone know, this process does not work on the Panasonic DMP-BD30 Blu-Ray players.

The only way I can get an AVCHD disk to work is to allow Ulead MF6 with HD plug in to re-encode my HDV footage to AVCHD. You lose a lot of quality when you do this plus it takes two hours to convert a 4.7 gig file. Also, you have to uncheck the create menu because if you allow MF6 yo create a menu, the disk will not play.

[alluringreality]

Panasonic DMP-BD30

you have to uncheck the create menu because if you allow MF6 yo create a menu, the disk will not play.

When there were the reports of the Sharp not playing AVCHD I took some disks to best buy. I thought the Panasonic there could play an AVCHD with menu.

[Tom Roper]

Just to let everyone know, this process does not work on the Panasonic DMP-BD30 Blu-Ray players.

The only way I can get an AVCHD disk to work is to allow Ulead MF6 with HD plug in to re-encode my HDV footage to AVCHD. You lose a lot of quality when you do this plus it takes two hours to convert a 4.7 gig file. Also, you have to uncheck the create menu because if you allow MF6 yo create a menu, the disk will not play.

When I put the disk in the DMP-BD30, it was a real book worm, reading, reading, reading but never playing. That was the mpeg2-AVCHD hybrid HDV with no menus. I put the same disk into the Sony BDSP-500, it would start playing for 10 seconds, thereafter break into stuttering video, and never any audio. I then put the same disk into the Sony BDSP-300, and the video played smoothly, and I think the 5.1 audio was working, although the there was no sound hookup for that display to know for sure. Very disappointing. There were various Samsung and Elite Blu-ray players, but I didn't try them, was trying to stay under the radar screen of the blue shirts.

[ToddUGA]

Got a quick question...

The new Indiana Jones trailer comes out today. How do I take the 1080P Quicktime trailer and play it on my BD30? Can I convert it and burn it to DVD? Can I save it on a 2GB SD memory card? Any ideas?

[Brajesh]

Use Yamb to convert the clip to MP4. Then, use TSRemux to output Blu-ray. I think TSRemux can do this, but not certain. As I have a PS3, I simply take the MP4 file and put it on a USB 2.0 hard drive or DVD-R for direct playback.

[Brian Conrad]

Thanks for mentioning Yamb. That was just what I was looking for to convert my 720p AVC MOV files from the Aiptek A-HD to a wrapper which TsMuxer could use to create a transport stream that my Sony BDSP-300 would play all without re-encoding. To my surprise the 300 could even handle the AAC audio.

[dr1394]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Ron

[zeroprobe]

Thanks DR

so now anything HD-DVD can be remuxed to blu-ray without re-encoding.

MPEG2, H264 and now VC1 :)

[Tom Roper]

If I use dr1394's pulldown removal tool on Canon 24F (24p inside a 60i mpeg2 stream with pulldown flags), will the resultant file play from within a TSRemux generated AVCHD container on red laser DVD5/9 media on the PS3?

[Tom Roper]

Oh, I misunderstood from zeroprobe's post above that said "MPEG2, H264 and now VC1 "

I did try it however, POSTPROCFLAGERROR, had to go into DOS safe mode to get the screen to persist long enough to read the proper command line usage. I guess I still remember a few things about dos. Anyway, I digress. Thanks benes, I will go get PULLDOWN.exe and try it again.

Tom

[dr1394]

Oh, I misunderstood from zeroprobe's post above that said "MPEG2, H264 and now VC1 "

I did try it however, POSTPROCFLAGERROR, had to go into DOS safe mode to get the screen to persist long enough to read the proper command line usage. I guess I still remember a few things about dos. Anyway, I digress. Thanks benes, I will go get PULLDOWN.exe and try it again.

Tom
Oopps. I guess I made that error much too annoying. I'll take care of that in the next release.

Ron

[Tom Roper]

Oopps. I guess I made that error much too annoying. I'll take care of that in the next release.

Ron


No you didn't. I just wasn't able to figure out the command line usage without going to safe mode, since the screen would flash by faster than I could read it. And the fact that I was getting the error was because I was passing an mpeg2 file instead of VC1, my bad. It was all user error.

[Tom Roper]

Thanks benes. Have you used pulldown.exe? When I launched the GUI it was misbehaved, and called Turbo tax...yikes. I did a virus scan, no virus but I think I would like to use the command line version of that.

[Tom Roper]

I am attaching the latest version to this post.

It says my file is not an mpeg video file... :(

Not the end of the world...

[Tom Roper]

Did you demux the file first? It has to work on an elemental video file.

No I didn't. I'll do that next. Thanks for the tip.

[dr1394]

Thanks benes. Have you used pulldown.exe? When I launched the GUI it was misbehaved, and called Turbo tax...yikes. I did a virus scan, no virus but I think I would like to use the command line version of that.
Just FYI, there is another possibly more polished program available called DGPulldown.

http://neuron2.net/dgpulldown/dgpulldown.html

Ron

[Tom Roper]

Hi guys, thanks for the interest and tips. Here's my update on Pulldown.exe.

It took a few tries to get the syntax down, but it did work overall. Here were the settings:

- no pulldown
- 23.976 fps
- enable NTSC drop frame flag
- do not recalculate timecode
- set progressive sequence flag

As benes noted, I had to demux to an elementary video *.mpv stream.
After stripping the pulldown flags, I remuxed the audio back in. It was out of sync, not really a surprise or concern, although Pulldown.exe seems to have dropped a few frames somewhere in the conversion or timecode. Next I remuxed an AC3 5.1 audio stream back in there.

But the object of the experiment for me was to see if I could get native 24 fps Canon 1440x1080 HDV mpeg2 stream onto a hybrid, AVCHD container DVD5/9 red laser disk playable by the PS3...without re-encoding it.

The answer for me was no, for the reason (I think) that 1440x1080p24 is not a native BDMV supported format. So in the end, Ulead MF6+ HD Pack renders it out to 1920x1080.

With that, I think it's better to just leave in the pulldown flags, and let it playback as 1080i60, since it doesn't have to be re-encoded.

The Canon camera I use is the XH-A1. Unfortunately I cannot offer any hands-on knowledge with the 24p format used in Canon's consumer cams.

And thank you too Dr. Ron for your tip regarding DGPulldown which I intend to try, and of course your awesome test patterns and other projects.

I'm sure you don't need me to drop this bug in your ear, but while BD media prices are still relatively high, a process for authoring true BDMV content onto DVD5/9 media would really satisfy a need opened by the departure of the HD DVD format. As you know, they are talking about a method for doing this now at the doom9 forums, but it's a 17 step process and requires Scenarist.

The hybrid AVCHD disks that have been championed by this forum are a great first step, if you have a PS3 or one of the few other players that it will play on.

[Tom Roper]

It looks like DGPulldown is not quite the right tool for this. It's intended use is to take a 24 fps progressive stream and add repeat flags to get to a 29.97 target.

Canon 24F HDV originates as 24 progressive frames with repeat flags raising it to 29.97 , so I would would be trying to strip the flags and go the other way to 23.976 progressive.

[alluringreality]

It looks like DGPulldown is not quite the right tool for this.

One of the revisions reads "A note was also added to the help file that explains how to use DGPulldown to remove all existing pulldown." I would guess that's what the custom area is for.

[alluringreality]

(I think) that 1440x1080p24 is not a native BDMV supported format. So in the end, Ulead MF6+ HD Pack renders it out to 1920x1080.

That format is a valid Blu-ray stream for both BDMV and AVCHD. I simply think that being consumer software Ulead didn't write their programs to accept 24p. You can feed both the Ulead and Nero software a 1080p/24 stream off a Blu-ray disk and they will want to transcode it.

[Tom Roper]

Thanks. I'll look for the note. I did use the custom area to put in 29.97 for the source, 23.976 for the target, but it returns the message that:

target/source cannot be less than 1.

[Tom Roper]

That format is a valid Blu-ray stream for both BDMV and AVCHD. I simply think that being consumer software Ulead didn't write their programs to accept 24p. You can feed both the Ulead and Nero software a 1080p/24 stream off a Blu-ray disk and they will want to transcode it.

Thanks for answering that question. I'll try to see if TSRemux can do it.

[bugmenot55]

Here is a new tutorial that takes care of authoring AVCHD discs for Blu-Ray players on *plain DVD disks*:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/create-blu-ray-video-in-plain-dvds-for-free/

According to the article: "The funny thing is that 80% of both these methods are identical for both HD architectures: from the moment you have completed step #7 (which takes care of the mutual mpeg2 encoding), creating a Blu-Ray and an HD-DVD should take 10 minutes for each from that point on, it’s that fast!"

So we might never get a system where a single disc works for both architectures, but I guess this is the fastest way we might achieve this. And this is an all-free method, on cheap DVD disks no less!

[dr1394]

vc1conv has been updated to version 0.3

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Changes for 0.3

1) Removed dependency on POSTPROCFLAG being equal to zero.
2) Removed setting of POSTPROCFLAG and adding POSTPROC bits.
3) Made bitrate display accurate.
4) Put frame count back in, and added running time.

I also fixed the last frame issue, but only if there is an End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream. If there is no End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream, then vc1conv deletes the last frame whether it's complete or not (it can't tell if the last frame is complete without parsing the entire frame).

Ron

[alluringreality]

Here is a new tutorial that takes care of authoring AVCHD discs for Blu-Ray players on *plain DVD disks*:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/create-blu-ray-video-in-plain-dvds-for-free/

I think if you use steps 9 and 10 from the guide you linked after method 3 from http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/PS3_H.264_Conversion_Guide_page1.html you'll get a similar output. The difference is that digital digest is discussing AVC which is more efficient than mpeg2 that hcenc produces, so you could fit more on disk using AVC from megui. Of course while AVCHD from Tsremux will work on the PS3 and many other players, it does not play on all Blu-ray players.

[Tom Roper]

I've used just about all these tools, and mostly, they're great!

Pulldown.exe works from the command line on elementary streams.
DGPulldown.exe works even better since it works on muxed streams and has a gui.
HDPatch.exe works great to patch headers or the entire stream.
tsMuxerGUI.exe works great to convert a 188 byte m2t to 192 byte m2ts.
TSRemux020.exe works great to create an AVCHD BDMV container.

Eugenia's workflow is interesting, uses all free tools, but falls short of the workflows we already have due to the re-encoding of the native stream, and adding the pulldown flags that puts 24p inside of a 60i stream.

The hump I can't get over, is getting native 24p onto disk without pulldown flags. I actually CAN get it onto the disk that way, but it stutters. TSRemux is used in all the workflows, and it works great for 60i where the m2ts file it outputs gets swapped for the one created by MF6+. But otherwise, the situation is exactly as Alluringreality stated, that for 24p Ulead and Nero will want to transcode it.

[eddgunn]

So Bluray burners cant take HD video from premiere and burn a Bluray disc thats plays on Sonys Bluray tabeltop player?
Another marketing rip from Sony.
Can't Sony explain how to use their products.
Sony cameras Sony Burrner and Sony Player Sony Media?
What am I doing wrong besides wasteing $20.00 BD discs?

[MozartMan]

So Bluray burners cant take HD video from premiere and burn a Bluray disc thats plays on Sonys Bluray tabeltop player?
Post #1 and Sony bashing right away?

Did you read what you typed?

Blu-ray burners never take HD video.

Blu-ray burners take compiled project from hard drive in the form of folders and files.

Another marketing rip from Sony.
Can't Sony explain how to use their products.
Sony cameras Sony Burrner and Sony Player Sony Media?
What am I doing wrong besides wasteing $20.00 BD discs?
You better do some research before starting your posting career at AVS with this useless post.

[nubins]

Does anyone know how to create a looping video in Scenarist HDMV?

I know how to set up the video to play once then stop but I would like the video to loop at the end and start playing again.

Thanks

[latreche34]

Does any one knows what's the best software to edit and mix in native HD MPEG2 without affecting too much the video quality at the output file, I was trying to add some audio to my HDV footage using Ulead DVD movie factory 6 plus, the quality is not good enough compared to the original file, it's kind of blurry. one of the suggestions was to add sound while shooting to keep the same original quality and then just cut and trim with videoredo, but it's not convinient; isn't it?

[thurau]

Can anybody send me vc1conv 0.2. The Version 0.3 makes many problems on my system. Thanks at all.

[dr1394]

Can anybody send me vc1conv 0.2. The Version 0.3 makes many problems on my system. Thanks at all.
Not sure why it doesn't work for you. It's a fairly minor update. You can get version 0.2 here:

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv02.zip

Ron

[Schlotkins]

Do we have a list of what players will play the 'hacked' AVC-HD discs with MPEG2 1080i60 files? Obviously, my PS3 does but I am hoping to upgrade to either the Panny or Sony Profile 2.0 players. Do their current players work?

Thanks,
Chris

[Tom Roper]

Do we have a list of what players will play the 'hacked' AVC-HD discs with MPEG2 1080i60 files? Obviously, my PS3 does but I am hoping to upgrade to either the Panny or Sony Profile 2.0 players. Do their current players work?

Thanks,
Chris

Anecdotal, but the BD30 Panasonic would not play, the Sony BDSP-300 did play, the BDSP-500 did not play.

[paintit77]

Do we have a list of what players will play the 'hacked' AVC-HD discs with MPEG2 1080i60 files? Obviously, my PS3 does but I am hoping to upgrade to either the Panny or Sony Profile 2.0 players. Do their current players work?

Thanks,
Chris
No go on either of the Panasonic's. The only stand alone that works using the guide so far is the Sony S-300.

[GumboChief]

Anyone try the BD30, with the new firmware released at end of Feb?
AVC-HD discs with MPEG2 1080i60.

[a1677c]

I have requested Nero to ad 720 p support to AVCHD; but only get a canned response from Nero. Currently one can only set your AVCHD profile at 1040 x 1080 or export to a dvd size. I would like to see 1280 x 720 available. Additionally this is the best size & resolution to fit on a dvd 9.

[Brian Conrad]

You can use Nero Recode to get 720p AVCHD. Select Nero Digital AVC and create your file to 1280x720. Once the file is created then use Yamb to demux the AVC and AAC (or AC3) stream and then use tsRemux to create an MPEG-2 TS wrapped file that can be played on (apparently some) BluRay players. Works on my BDP-300 (note you will have to rename the extension from M2TS to MPG). Of course tsRemux will let you create a simple BD disk that can be burned to a DVD too. Unfortunately VS 11+ wants to recode the 720p file though it won't 1080i files when creating a BD with chapters.

[latreche34]

Ok guys I'm giving up, after all the testing with diffrent softwares that I have made I couldn't get the demm PS3 to play comercial HD movies recorded from dishnetwork, I was able to get the dolby digital to play but still getting green frames on the video, so I figure out it's a PS3 bug, I just wait until another firmware release and see what happen, HDV videos plays perfectly though in any format you want to put them in.

[bfdtv]

Anyone try the BD30, with the new firmware released at end of Feb?
AVC-HD discs with MPEG2 1080i60.It does not work.

In fact, I can't get any AVCHD disks to work with my BD30 that weren't created with Ulead MovieFactory 6+.

[MozartMan]

Ok guys I'm giving up, after all the testing with diffrent softwares that I have made I couldn't get the demm PS3 to play comercial HD movies recorded from dishnetwork, I was able to get the dolby digital to play but still getting green frames on the video, so I figure out it's a PS3 bug, I just wait until another firmware release and see what happen, HDV videos plays perfectly though in any format you want to put them in.
latreche34,

Are those dish videos MPEG2 or MPEG4?
If they are MPEG2, did you run you dish videos through MPEG2Repair or VideoReDo?
How do you get your video, via firewire or some other way?

I get my videos via firewire from cable box. I have occasional green frames flashes on some videos, but most of them are good.
I bought VideoReDo and run every captured MPEG2 file through it. It works great, better than MPEG2Repair.

As you said, HDV plays perfectly in any form from any media.

I think the problem may be with dish videos.

[GodobeHD]

OK guys. I finished my guide:

How to author MPEG-2 to AVCHD on DVD5
using Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD pack
without re-encoding MPEG-2 to AVC.

PDF file attached to my post. Feel free to ask any question regarding my guide.

Mozart, since your guide requires reading the data off the AVCHD disk (on DVD5) does that mean you have to have a BD drive on your PC? because a regular DVD drive does not seem to recognize a AVCHD disk, let alone extract data/folders off that.

[MozartMan]

Mozart, since your guide requires reading the data off the AVCHD disk (on DVD5) does that mean you have to have a BD drive on your PC? because a regular DVD drive does not seem to recognize a AVCHD disk, let alone extract data/folders off that.
GodobeHD,

No, you don't need BD drive. You need UDF 2.5 drivers. I attached zip file with UDF 5.2 drivers to this post.

[GodobeHD]

Thanks very much Mozart, you are Da Man!
Now I am thrilled to report that by following this virtuosic guide put out by Mozart I am able to creat a BluRay with menu on a DVD5 or DVD9 with HDV content (no re-encoding involved), perfectly playable on a PS3.
I never thought creating a commercial like BD with full menu on a ten cent DVD was possible until now. Wow, imagine stamping out your own BD in as little as ten cents a piece with menu and 5.1 suround in highest PQ like that of Planet Earth, all in less than fifteen minute in Ulead! that sure is a lot of fun.:D
Some correction may be needed in your Guide, Mozart. When I first replaced the first file those five folders as instructed in the guide, the playback in PS3 had problems. Then I simply dump all the files in those five folders in BDMV to AVCHD's BMMV cooresponding folders it worked like a charm, everything just played perfect. Here on the test disk I have five HDV video clips of different lengths totalling about 21min.

[MozartMan]

GodobeHD,

You are very welcome.

Make sure you don't replace .M2TS files that are used for the menus in the STREAM folder because they are encoded in AVC by Ulead.

Yes, I need update my guide, but I accidentally deleted original Word file. I will see if I can edit PDF.

Correction to