My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... [Text View] - Page 7

Rocka2

07-24-08, 10:33 PM

First make sure you are using the latest version of Nero 8. It would also help if you had posted which player or playback software you are using.

VideoDoDo will generate Blu-Ray compliant video with the right input and options selected. One quick suggestion is to generate .ts (transport stream) files out of VideoReDo not .mpg files. Blu-ray uses transport stream not program stream for its encapsilation.

Without knowing more it is hard to say what else you might be missing.

My Blu-ray players are the Sony BD-SP1 and the LG-BH200. Thanks for the help. I sure hope I will be able to record on Blu-ray. I will post back my results just as soon as I can, but now my DSL is giving me problems. I check for updates on Nero 8 Ultra and let it updates and I find this out. I sure hope I get this working. Right now my Nero is in limbo. It took out the old version in anticipation of installing the new one, but is now hanging up in downloading for the new version. I have been waiting over four hours. I will post some results whenever I can try to get some. Thanks for the help. I also have the complete version of Nero 7 Ultra with Blu-ray burning. I guess that will not work? Well as I type the update files finally finshed downloading after five hours, so I will try out your suggestions and see if they help with my video stuttering problem.

Update: Still not working. I tried it again but do not know what to do after I re-muxed my entire .mpg file with videoredo and saved it as a .ts file and updated my Nero 8 Ultra to the latest a version. The video from the Blu-ray that resulted still froze every few seconds. The video input I am using in videoredo was originally a high defenition .tivo file that I cut the commercials out of before saving as an .mpg. What the heck do I need to do? Surely some are able to burn MPEG2 onto Blu-ray without it stuttering. I can make HD-DVD from these files very easily though I have no HD-DVD burner and have to burn it to regular DVD. I wanted to record to Blu-ray for its capacity like the original poster mentions in the original post of this thread. I could not find the correct information for this process in the twenty or so pages of this thread I tried looking? Could someone please help me a little? I will be very grateful. What do you do? Thank you.

seggers

07-25-08, 09:16 AM

Link to ad. (http://www.circuitcity.com:80/ccd/Search.do?searchType=user&go.y=0&oid=149808&keyword=tdk+blu-ray&c=1&go.x=0&searchSection=All) But, good luck find any in stock at your CC. I was able to snag 6 pieces a while ago, but no stores within 100 miles of me carry them anymore.

On another note, it appears Corel is getting ready to release DVD MovieFactory 7 (http://www.appreadiness.com/Lists/Logo/DispForm.aspx?ID=8252). MF6+ is great for mpeg2 HD DVD authoring, okay for AVCHD authoring, and kinda poor for Blu-ray authoring, at least for me, so looking forward to how they might improve the app w/7.

Brajesh,

Cheers for the link. I was able to snag the last 2 in the 3 local stores in WNY.

On a side note, there is a seller on the evil bay that sells boxes of 9 (something about postage rates) for about 70. If people are interested, then PM me and I'll look up his id (it's slipped off of my listing again).

Seggers.

I think this is my 400th post..... :)

MozartMan

07-25-08, 12:06 PM

Does anybody have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin to try the trick that I did with Ulead DMF6+ to author MPEG-2 as AVCHD on DVD5/9 with menus and without re-encoding.

My PDF guide for DMF6+ is attached to this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

alk3997

07-25-08, 02:35 PM

...

Update: Still not working. I tried it again but do not know what to do after I re-muxed my entire .mpg file with videoredo and saved it as a .ts file and updated my Nero 8 Ultra to the latest a version. The video from the Blu-ray that resulted still froze every few seconds. The video input I am using in videoredo was originally a high defenition .tivo file that I cut the commercials out of before saving as an .mpg. What the heck do I need to do? Surely some are able to burn MPEG2 onto Blu-ray without it stuttering. I can make HD-DVD from these files very easily though I have no HD-DVD burner and have to burn it to regular DVD. I wanted to record to Blu-ray for its capacity like the original poster mentions in the original post of this thread. I could not find the correct information for this process in the twenty or so pages of this thread I tried looking? Could someone please help me a little? I will be very grateful. What do you do? Thank you.

Go into VideoReDo and select under tools (I think) "view video program information". The words may not be exactly that since I'm not at my video processor right now so I can't look at VideoReDo.

Append the information you find there. Since you said TiVo file, I wonder if the video datarate is above 40mbps? If it is, when you do a "Save as", save the file as a .ts and under "options" (in the save as) select a video rate of 40M. It won't change the video, just the header.

Either way, please append what VideoReDo says for the program information for the .ts file you created.

Rocka2

07-25-08, 06:21 PM

Go into VideoReDo and select under tools (I think) "view video program information". The words may not be exactly that since I'm not at my video processor right now so I can't look at VideoReDo.

Append the information you find there. Since you said TiVo file, I wonder if the video datarate is above 40mbps? If it is, when you do a "Save as", save the file as a .ts and under "options" (in the save as) select a video rate of 40M. It won't change the video, just the header.

Either way, please append what VideoReDo says for the program information for the .ts file you created.

Thank you alk3997 I will try this.

Does anybody have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin to try the trick that I did with Ulead DMF6+ to author MPEG-2 as AVCHD on DVD5/9 with menus and without re-encoding.

My PDF guide for DMF6+ is attached to this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

I have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin and I will try this as soon as I get some time and after I try to get MPEG2 to work on Blu-ray first. I still have not succeeded at that. The video stutters.

MozartMan

07-25-08, 09:37 PM

I have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin and I will try this as soon as I get some time and after I try to get MPEG2 to work on Blu-ray first. I still have not succeeded at that. The video stutters.
Thanks Rocka,

But I already got Blu-ray plugin for Nero 8. The trick works.

Rocka2

07-28-08, 01:24 AM

Thanks Rocka,

But I already got Blu-ray plugin for Nero 8. The trick works.

Though I have not used it yet, thank you MozartMan for your guide. I did not know about Blu-ray, but I guess the the only way to record MPEG2 without compression on Blu-ray is with this trick? I am still feeling confused, you replace which files with which? I am totally inexperienced when it comes to Blu-ray. I am definately wanting to record uncompressed MPEG2 on Blu-ray and I see on my Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus that AVCHD is only available with regular DVD so I guess the files that are replaced are the Blu-ray ones with the uncompressed AVC files or have I got something wrong?

Ben Hardy

07-28-08, 05:52 PM

ARRANGING SUBTITLES

In tsMuxer 1.8.4, under the Subtitles Menu, there are options for: FONT, FONT SIZE and COLOR.

There is also a Vertical and Horizontal Positioning section, but only the “bottom of screen” bottom offset pixels window is operative (all of the other options are grayed out)
The Default setting for the bottom offset pixels is 16. Changing it first to 8 and then burning a second disc with this setting to 48 didn’t make any difference. The location of the subs are centered Vertically, left of center Horizontally. Manually changing the Font (default is supposed to be Times Roman) to Avalon and increasing the size had no effect either. The burned disc comes back to the original Font, size and location.

I’m trying to move the subtitles to their normal position (centered Horizontally and lower Vertically). This is the second time I’ve encountered a movie file with subs being in the “middle of the screen”, distracting and difficult to read.

Apparently, I’m missing something.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ben

Rocka2

07-28-08, 11:14 PM

Shoot. I found out I think I can do what I want to do (record MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc without re-encoding) if I just use Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus and select BDMV. I am trying it now.

GumboChief

07-29-08, 02:30 PM

Shoot. I found out I think I can do what I want to do (record MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc without re-encoding) if I just use Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus and select BDMV. I am trying it now.

Does tsmuxer not work for you?

Rocka2

07-30-08, 02:38 AM

Actually Ulead did not work. I was wanting to record onto Blu-ray disc without re-encoding. Is it just me or do I seem to be making this more difficult than it really is. I will have to try tsmuxer.

mchad

07-30-08, 08:45 AM

I see that this thread is fairly old, yet pretty active, so I thought I'd look for some help here. I am very new to blu-ray authoring, and am learning the hard way, and am having some frustrating problems considering I am seeing good success from other members...

What I am esssentially trying to do is to archive some HD content (sports events) from my Tivo S3 to BD-R discs. I have downloaded the content as mpeg2 files to my pc, bought and installed VideoRedo TV Suite and Ulead MovieFactory 6+ with the HD add on (installed it correctly, with the patch b4 the hd addon, then updated DX9c). But what is happening is after I extract the .mpg from the .tivo file, every disc I burn, the video studders and the audio is off sync by about 5 seconds at the beginning, and gets worse as it plays.

The source is from the NFL network, 1920x1080, about 8 gigs. VideoRedo shows 10 audio frame errors when it completes the conversion, yet both the .tivo and the .mpg files play PERFECTLY in WMP on the PC, as well as in the preview windows in the Ulead BD Burner 2.7. PC is, BTW, XP Pro Media Center w/SP3 , Quad-core 3ghz Extreme proc, 4gigs, 300g 10k sata for OS, 500g 7200 RAID1 for data, LG GGW-H20L burner). I tried extracting as .ts, and while I haven't tried burning, the preview in the BD Burner shows studdering and artifacts.

I tried running the .mpg through the VRD stream fix (I forget what it's called) and I still get the same behavior.

The REALLY strange part is that I have one .tivo file (that big game in Feb) which I split in two and extraced as .mpg, and it burns perfectly (thank God, at least I have that) but it is 1280x720... Now I do change DMF settings to match the resolution of the source, but that has no effect.

Sorry for the long post, but I've already burned 5 coasters before I got my delivery of BD-RE's. At least now I can keep trying w/o frying $9 each failed attempt.

Am I using the wrong software? It looks like VRD and DMF are the two most popular apps, but considering I don't care to burn to standard DVD's, is there something better I should be looking at? Or am I missing some setting?

HELP - Before I go insane

Thanks

dargo

07-30-08, 08:54 AM

I'm thinking of getting in to blu-ray burning as well is there a authoring program
you can drop in 1080i mpeg2 ts files or ps files and burn like a dvd?
or has blu-ray software not gotten there yet?

MozartMan

07-30-08, 08:59 AM

I'm thinking of getting in to blu-ray burning as well is there a authoring program
you can drop in 1080i mpeg2 ts files or ps files and burn like a dvd?
or has blu-ray software not gotten there yet?

Read my guide from page 38:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

dargo

07-30-08, 09:58 AM

Read my guide from page 38:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746
so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

MozartMan

07-30-08, 10:14 AM

so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

No, the answer is yes.

If you don't need menus, you can use TSRemux or tsMuxeR and simply drop in a mpeg2 file and with no menu or anything have HD content with MPEG-2 on DVD media. And TSRemux and tsMuxeR are free, compare to TMPGEnc dvd author.

My guide is for when you want to get fancy and have menus on DVD with MPEG-2 videos.

mchad

07-30-08, 10:15 AM

so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

Not entirely true. In it's infancy, but possible. I have had success using Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+, on a very important Football game played in Feb 08, extracted from my HD Tivo, but am having difficulties with some other program material. It seems my problems are related to my source files, which I am working on.

But it is definitly possible to burn HD content direct to BD-R. Just tricky...

(Or were you asking about burning to DVD?)

dargo

07-30-08, 12:01 PM

No, the answer is yes.

If you don't need menus, you can use TSRemux or tsMuxeR and simply drop in a mpeg2 file and with no menu or anything have HD content with MPEG-2 on DVD media. And TSRemux and tsMuxeR are free, compare to TMPGEnc dvd author.

My guide is for when you want to get fancy and have menus on DVD with MPEG-2 videos.
but can you burn to bd-r

MozartMan

07-30-08, 12:15 PM

but can you burn to bd-r

What do you mean?

Of course you can! You probably didn't even try.

You can author Blu-ray project with MPEG-2 video and burn it to BD-R or BD-RE with:

Sony DVD Architect 5
Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD Pack
Nero Vision 5 (from Nero 8 package)
Cyberlink Power Producer
Archsoft Total Media Extreme
Sonic Scenarist HDMV
Sony Blu-print
Roxio DVD-it Pro HD
Adobe Encore

dargo

07-30-08, 02:36 PM

What do you mean?

Of course you can! You probably didn't even try.

You can author Blu-ray project with MPEG-2 video and burn it to BD-R or BD-RE with:

Sony DVD Architect 5
Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD Pack
Nero Vision 5 (from Nero 8 package)
Cyberlink Power Producer
Archsoft Total Media Extreme
Sonic Scenarist HDMV
Sony Blu-print
Roxio DVD-it Pro HD
Adobe Encore
No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks

seggers

07-30-08, 02:51 PM

No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks

I will come back more fully on this later, but I have both MF6+ HD and Cyberlink Power Producer (came with the LG BD burner).

The Power producer will easily do BDAV (no menus) and MF 6 requires a little work to produce menus (BDMV). I think MF can be made to do BDAVs but I'm not sure.

Caviats:

I am using an AVCHD Canon Camcorder for my source material.
I have a BD burner and I am burning (way too many blessed expensive coasters) BD-Rs and BD-REs
I have not yet tried to produce a DVD9 with my AVC stuff for my PS3.

Seggers

MozartMan

07-30-08, 03:26 PM

No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks
If you don't care about menus and want to author MPEG-2 videos as AVCHD disk on DVD5/9 and as BDMV disk on BD-R/RE the best solution for you would be tsMuxeR, which is free.
BDMV folder produced by tsMuxeR plays as AVCHD on DVD5/9 and as BDMV on BD-R/RE.

If you plan to burn on BD-R/RE, Ulead DMF6+ with HD Pack ($100) would be your choice .

Rocka2

07-30-08, 05:58 PM

I have Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus with the HD Pack, Nero 7 Ultra and Nero 8 Ultra both with Blu-ray plugin, the requisite VideoReDo TVSuite, a LG GGW-H20L burner, Ulead Videostudio 11.5 Plus and I stll cannot burn MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc.
Since I have had no success using Nero 7 and 8 and Moviefactory 6 I tried to use tsmuxer. I loaded two .mpg programs, one with dolby 2.0, the other with 5.1, they were originally .tivo files that I removed the commercials from and saved as .mpg with VideoReDo TVSuite. I selected Blu-ray for my result and started muxing at the bottom of the GUI. There was another choice at the bottom of the GUI of tsmuxer, save to clipboard, but I did not use it. I recycled the certificate that tsmuxer made Since I neither knew what it was for or what to do with it and burned only the BDMV folder with Nero Burning Rom as a UDF version 2.5 from the advanced settings though I do not know if this was right. The video plays and looks fine on two different stand alone Blu-ray players. I just cannot access the second of the two shows I muxed and the audio from the show I am able to access appears to be from a completely different source than either of these two show. What have I or am I doing wrong, or does anyone have any suggestions? I hope I have given enough detail. These are the best result I have gotten so far believe it or not in about a week. Perhaps I should have also taken my file which was a .mpg and put it through VideoReDo TVSuite again using this Brajesh tip from his guide, "after you open VRD, click 'Tools', then while holding down the 'Shift' key, choose 'Options'. This gives you extra setup options. Find the line 'Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs' and enable it to 'True'" and resaved the files as .ts like he says even though he is speaking of making Blu-ray using tsmuxer on DVD. I do not know if I am right in what I am doing, but I have really been working on it. What I really need is lessons on how to do this and I do not know anywhere else to get them except here.I would rather not post this much information, so I hope it is helpful that I do this. I really want to burn MPEG2 on Blu-ray discs. I am able to record MPEG2 HD to regular DVD without any problem in the HD-DVD format. Like the the original poster of this thread is saying, regular DVD is just not hacking it for recording HD in MPEG2. They files are too big.

MozartMan

07-30-08, 07:28 PM

...I loaded two .mpg programs, one with dolby 2.0, the other with 5.1, they were originally .tivo files that I removed the commercials from and saved as .mpg with VideoReDo TVSuite.

So, your source files from Tivo. See if this guide helps:

Creating HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks with TivoToGo using DVD media...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324

alluringreality

07-30-08, 07:41 PM

I have Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus with the HD Pack, Nero 7 Ultra and Nero 8 Ultra both with Blu-ray plugin, the requisite VideoReDo TVSuite, a LG GGW-H20L burner, Ulead Videostudio 11.5 Plus and I stll cannot burn MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc.

Personally I consider Movie Factory rather simple to use, and considering you have the software I'd question if you've tried the following:

1) Choose the Movie Factory BDMV option (maybe it's called Blu-ray) for your mpeg2 video
2) When ready to burn, choose the option to create files instead of a burning to Blu-ray in Movie Factory
3) Burn the files to Blu-ray with Nero burning rom like you did with the tsMuxer files

Steps 2 and 3 would just avoid any burning issues with the Movie Factory software, but if HD DVDs and tsMuxer work for you I'd really be surprised if this procedure wouldn't play on the BDP-S1 considering it plays from DVD media this way when most players don't.

GumboChief

07-30-08, 08:52 PM

That guide is outdated. I would not bother with it. As a tivohd uses a cablecard, it just does a capture of the rawbits, just like a motorola box does.

They wrap the mpeg2 file in a drm container they call *.tivo

I think video redo supports *.tivo. If it does not, there is a util which will strip the drm in about 10 seconds, without touching the mpeg (cant remember name right now)

Anyway, there is no reason why tsmuxer wont work on these tivo files, once they have been saved as mpegs.

So, your source files from Tivo. See if this guide helps:

Creating HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks with TivoToGo using DVD media...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324

GumboChief

07-30-08, 08:58 PM

DirectShowDump
http://prish.com/etivo/tbr.htm

Install it where you have tivotogo

Works great

Rocka2

07-30-08, 11:21 PM

Personally I consider Movie Factory rather simple to use, and considering you have the software I'd question if you've tried the following:

1) Choose the Movie Factory BDMV option (maybe it's called Blu-ray) for your mpeg2 video
2) When ready to burn, choose the option to create files instead of a burning to Blu-ray in Movie Factory
3) Burn the files to Blu-ray with Nero burning rom like you did with the tsMuxer files

Steps 2 and 3 would just avoid any burning issues with the Movie Factory software, but if HD DVDs and tsMuxer work for you I'd really be surprised if this procedure wouldn't play on the BDP-S1 considering it plays from DVD media this way when most players don't.

alluringreality,
I was beginning to think it was some burning issues with Moviefactory because whenever it got to the burning part Moviefactory would
stop and say something like DVD Engine failure. So I am going to try doing it this way and see what happens but I feel good about it. Maybe I can finally have some success. Thank you for your response.
Rocka2

mchad

07-31-08, 12:29 AM

alluringreality,
I was beginning to think it was some burning issues with Moviefactory because whenever it got to the burning part Moviefactory would
stop and say something like DVD Engine failure. So I am going to try doing it this way and see what happens but I feel good about it. Maybe I can finally have some success. Thank you for your response.
Rocka2

I have gotten the same DVD engine failure every time I try and work with a particular source file, trying to write to a folder... I have recorded it twice on my tivo series 3 (HD), same network, two different "broadcasts", ran it through videoredo ts, saved it as .mpeg and .ts and still can't get a reliable bd-r out of it.

What's worse, is ONE TIME, I made a reliable, perfect disc, that plays perfectly. No studder, no audio sync issues. But it was to a bd-re, and I really want to put it on a bd-r, and I can't remember what the hell I did to make it work! I know I used the stand alone BD Recorder thet DMF6+ loads if you choose "no" to the "need menu" question when you start a new project, but that's it. Every time i've tried since, i've gotten $9 coasters.

Now i'm waiting for more bd-re's to arrive, and i'm gonna log every step and setting I do/set... Hopefully.

Hopefully

mtallent

07-31-08, 04:55 PM

What's worse, is ONE TIME, I made a reliable, perfect disc, that plays perfectly. No studder, no audio sync issues. But it was to a bd-re, and I really want to put it on a bd-r, and I can't remember what the hell I did to make it work! I know I used the stand alone BD Recorder thet DMF6+ loads if you choose "no" to the "need menu" question when you start a new project, but that's it. Every time i've tried since, i've gotten $9 coasters.

Now i'm waiting for more bd-re's to arrive, and i'm gonna log every step and setting I do/set... Hopefully.

Hopefully

Why can't you just do a "disk copy" in Nero from the BD-RE to a BD-R?

Mike T

mchad

07-31-08, 05:06 PM

Why can't you just do a "disk copy" in Nero from the BD-RE to a BD-R?

Mike T

Good point, I could. But I still want to figure out what I need to do to make relaible BD-R/RE burns... Which I still can't seem to do.

alluringreality

08-11-08, 01:34 PM

It appears DVD Movie Factory 7 has now been released outside Japan. http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab0&tabview=tab6 has a link to the free trial. I'm currently downloading so I'm not sure what might have changed. The only thing I considered MF6 was missing in comparison to say TotalMedia Extreme (http://www.arcsoft.com/support/downloads/downloadnow.asp?downloadid=411) was 24p video support and the ability to do custom sub-menus.

MozartMan

08-11-08, 01:38 PM

alluringreality

08-11-08, 02:03 PM

I'm downloading the Pro version that link seems to go to. I'm going to guess that they changed their naming convention where now Pro 7 is like 6 Plus in that those versions have the HD capabilities.

The download link is acutally on the Aus site and the US site generally still links to version 6. The US prices for 7 Pro seem to match Version 6+ without the HD pack. http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

MozartMan

08-11-08, 02:17 PM

nxp3

08-11-08, 10:18 PM

Hello all, I type this long message and it didn't get posted...so let me type a short version.

I have:
Canon HG10 video camera (does avchd) 1080i
I have PC quad core
I have bluray burner LG GGW-H20L (does HD dvd too but who cares)
I have PowerProducer4 (doesn't do avchd)
I have nero 8 ultra (nero vision included with bluray authoring)

Using nero vision I Import my 18gig files from my camera onto the PC hard drive. The camera chops it into many pieces of files called MTS.

I use nero vision "make a movie" I import all the videos I wanted, then put in text, effects, transition, chapter markers. Nero crashes several times, so I save often. I finally have my video and let nero does its thing. It's process the file, while processing my quad core is up to 98%. When it gets to the end it went back down to 20% or so, but the file kept growing beyond 18gig and nero still goes on, for hours. my file grew to 500gig (not a typo) it then crashes because I'm out of drive space. I'm not sure if it's suppose to do that so I did it again, same thing happen. I click on the 0000.m2ts file that's 500gig large that nero created to see if it plays. It does, but there was audio only the first few seconds and the video was below quality of that if I had plugged the camera directly to my TV via mini HDMI. The video is grainy, but still better than standard dvd video. This is not going well for me. Does anyone have experience authoring bluray video? From AVCHD camera, and what software are you using, is it worth it to upgrade power producer 4 to 5 and is it any good. Any pointers would be appreciated. I have a bluray player also, it is a ps3 in my living room. Would like to play on the ps3 and maybe make some dvds of the same video since my relatives don't appreciate bluray like I do.

02fx4dude

08-12-08, 09:11 PM

I was checking my manual for my blu-ray player for info on bd-r and bd-re. It says to play BDMV the BD-r needs to be format version 2 and BD-re needs to be format version 3.

Anyone know what this means and how does one find out if blanks are the right format.

hammer66

08-22-08, 12:01 PM

Has anyone tried to convert TRP files from a Dish Network receiver (MPEG4, 1080i)? I'm able to convert these to .ts files using H264TS cutter. But after that, I'd like to edit the TS files (or converted M2TS files) to remove commercials, etc. Everything I've tried seems to crash. I'd like to retain the 5.1 sound as well.

To summarize - I'd like to take these MPEG4 1080i files (from Dish Network) and create an edited video file that is compatible on the PS3 (I'll ensure that they're less than 4GB), and retains its HD nature. VideoRedo does not work. A timeline for editing frames would be nice. The closest I got was Ulead but it crashed every time during editing. I'm also using Vista-64 bit on an Intel quad-core (don't know if that's an issue).

Thanks in advance.

GumboChief

08-23-08, 12:46 PM

Dan Miller

08-25-08, 08:00 PM

Hi All,

What I would like to do is extract clips (chapters, time slices, whatever), from unencrypted 24 FPS BD discs (that part I can do already, but if any of you have great ways to do it I'm all ears), and burn them onto a BD-R.

The problem is that what I end up with is 1080p/30 or the multichannel soundtrack gets re-encoded into two channel.

I just want a bit for bit copy. Any thoughts?

alluringreality

08-26-08, 04:50 PM

24 FPS

TotalMedia Extreme is the only inexpensive program I've used that can do 24p video with menus, but it does seem to transcode audio to 2 channel. tsMuxer or TsRemux would be the only other programs that come to mind for 24p video in multiple formats.

dwisniski

08-27-08, 07:54 AM

TotalMedia Extreme is the only inexpensive program I've used that can do 24p video with menus, but it does seem to transcode audio to 2 channel. tsMuxer or TsRemux would be the only other programs that come to mind for 24p video in multiple formats.

Yea, Once TotalMediaExtreme supports 5.1 or greater surround, they'll have a great product...

steam03

08-29-08, 09:40 PM

Hello all,

I don't know if this is the right place for this but I couldn't find any other regions that would fit my issue! So, I appreciate it if this doesn't get moved!

I have been researching and researching here and on google about making my own BR format onto a DVD-R 4.7. Using tsmuxer and imgburn, I followed the specified procedures to mux a .MKV and then burn onto UDF2.5.

However, the chances of my BR DVDs playing on my P1400 is less than 50%. I was able to play some of my BR DVDs but a lot of them won't even play. It loads for a min or 2 and then says STOP.

Anyone got ideas why this is happening and how to make my files play?

Edit: Would it be because my .mkv files have resolution not supported by the player/TV (some video does say 1280:688p when they mux)? OR the fps is 25?

I don't know if those characteristics matter...:confused:

dwisniski

09-01-08, 08:09 AM

vamovie

09-01-08, 01:59 PM

if u r using tsmuxer
ther' an option in the tabs to split
but u will end 2/3 or 4 sometimes 5 dvd-dl

kooibosmania

09-02-08, 11:39 AM

Hi all

I learned a lot of this site and now i am stuck with a question
bdn graphic works fine but now i want to import text subs for they can be moved, cropped and colorchanged

heres what i got so far but scenarist gives me grammatical error
Can anyone can give me any pointers ?
BTW i know there are no events but i have to figure out how to write it
so please help me

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<BDN Version="0.93" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="BD-03-006-0093b BDN File Format.xsd">
<Description>
<Name Title="Somemovie" Content=""/>
<Language Code="nld"/>
<Format VideoFormat="1080p" FrameRate="23.976" DropFrame="False"/>
<Events CharacterCode="1" FirstEventInTC="00:01:20:02" LastEventOutTC="00:01:20:02" NumberofEvents="5" Type="Text" />
</Description>
<Palettes>
<Palette>
<Entry Index="0" R="254" G="254" B="254" A="254"/>
<PaletteID="10"/>
<Colormode="RGB"/>
</Palette>
</Palettes>
<Fonts Font FontID="40" FontFile="Arial.OTF"/>
<TextRegions>
<Region>
<RegionStyle RegionHorizontalPosition="100" RegionVerticalPosition="100" RegionWidth="500" RegionHeight="300" RegionPaletteID="10" BackgroundPaletteEntryID="0"/>
<TextBox TextBoxHorizontalPosition="0" TextBoxVerticalPosition="0" TextBoxWidth="300" TextBoxHeight="200" TextFlow="1" TextHorizontalAlignment="2" TextVerticalAlignment="3"/>
<LineSpace LineSpace="12"/>
<FontInfo FontID="40" FontSize="24" FontStyle="[1-7]" FontPaletteEntryID"0" FontOutlinePaletteEntryID="0" FontOutlineThickness"[1-3]"/>
<UserChangeableStyles>
<UserChangeableStyle>
<RegionPosition RegionHorizontalPositionDirection="0" RegionHorizontalPositionDelta="0" RegionVerticalPositionDirection="1" RegionVerticalPositionDelta="10"/>
<TextBoxPositionAndSize TextBoxHorizontalPositionDirection="0" TextBoxHorizontalPositionDelta="0" TextBoxVerticalPositionDirection="1" TextBoxVerticalPositionDelta="10"TextBoxWidthIncDec="0" TextBoxWidthDelta="0" TextBoxHeightIncDec="1" TextBoxHeightDelta="10"/>
<LineSpace LineSpaceIncDec="1" LineSpaceDelta="4"/>
<FontSize FontSizeIncDec="1" FontSizeDelta="2"/>
<UserStyleID="4"/>
</UserChangeableStyle>
</UserChangeableStyles>
<RegionStyleID="13"/>
</Region>
</TextRegions>
<Events>
</Events>
</BDN>

02fx4dude

09-06-08, 01:39 PM

I have been researching and researching here and on google about making my own BR format onto a DVD-R 4.7. Using tsmuxer and imgburn, I followed the specified procedures to mux a .MKV and then burn onto UDF2.5.

However, the chances of my BR DVDs playing on my P1400 is less than 50%. I was able to play some of my BR DVDs but a lot of them won't even play. It loads for a min or 2 and then says STOP.

Anyone got ideas why this is happening and how to make my files play?

The Samsung players can be hit or miss when trying to play any home burned BR format discs. I use Imgburn and TSMuxer to auhtor BD5/9. Speaking from experience on the BD-P1200, it can depend on FW, brand of media, using + or - type media, etc. Might want to check the BD-P1400 thread in the players section and see if anyone has sorted through some of these variables.

The 1200 played film based 720p video but had stuttering problems, I assume due to the 3:2 pulldown. Never tried any 720p video.

Brian

Kipp Jones

09-12-08, 06:09 PM

So what are the best performing burners and where are the deals for the most cost effective burners? Also, best source for low cost BR media?

seggers

09-12-08, 06:14 PM

So what are the best performing burners and where are the deals for the most cost effective burners? Also, best source for low cost BR media?

I have the LG GGW-H20L BD/HD DVD drive. For blanks I have bought some in CC of all places, but I usually trawl here, Amazon and ebay. On ebay there's a seller called netsoftmedia who seels them in packs of 9 (something to do with postage) for what turns out to be ok cost per disc.

My best advise, to start with at least, is to get a 25 and 50Gb R/W disc. It will be expensive, but a darn site cheaper than burner a couple of 10$ coasters....

Seggers

Fotis_Greece

09-13-08, 09:27 AM

I have bought from him
http://stores.ebay.com/nikoneko-Ya
8 USD per disk (10 pack)

vamovie

09-13-08, 03:28 PM

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

seggers

09-13-08, 07:20 PM

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

Got a link? I can't find this on their site.

Seggers

vamovie

09-14-08, 09:58 AM

i went to the store
not on site most of the sales they are not posting or updating

GumboChief

09-15-08, 08:59 PM

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

I get my DVD-DL for 80 cents from amazon. They are on sale every 1 - 2 weeks.

Phloyd

09-15-08, 10:18 PM

Got a link? I can't find this on their site.

This is the spindle I saw in store. I don't think it was $65 but it was certainly less than $150!

I recall thinking it was the cheapest per disc I had seen... perhaps I should hit the store tonight :D

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5679721

seggers

09-16-08, 07:13 AM

This is the spindle I saw in store. I don't think it was $65 but it was certainly less than $150!

I recall thinking it was the cheapest per disc I had seen... perhaps I should hit the store tonight :D

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5679721

Cheers, I nearly choked on my OJ... :eek:

The link is for a spindle of 15 REs at 150$.

Seggers

Phloyd

09-16-08, 04:52 PM

Cheers, I nearly choked on my OJ... :eek:

The link is for a spindle of 15 REs at 150$.

Seggers

Haha - sorry.

In any case, the spindle of BD-R is indeed $60 + tax Ending Today at Frys.

The Frys PLU is 5678681 - normal price is $89.99

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5678681

Cheers!

MozartMan

09-17-08, 05:34 PM

I am playing with trial version of Corel DVD Movie Factory 7 Pro. There are only 4 templates for Blu-ray project. Two templates are standard Blu-ray, other two are BD-J.

I created Blu-ray project using one BD-J template. And there is 00000.bdjo file in the BDJO folder. And those BD-J templates allow "pop-up" menus when playin in my PS3.

But looks like there is a bug when using any of those two BD-J templates. I burned project to BD-RE and played on my PS3. PS3 doesn't show any title or chapter time information and no time on the progress bar.

Here is the link to Corel online store in USD:

http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

Tom Roper

09-18-08, 11:17 PM

MozartMan

09-19-08, 12:05 AM

Mozart, have you tried Nero Vision? I have no first hand experience with it, except that Larry Horwitz from dvinfo.net rates it his favorite among menued AVCHDs Power Director 7, Pinnacle 12, Total Media Extreme, and Ulead Video Studio 11.5.

I think he's working from the perspective of AVCHD camcorders.

I'm using XDCAM 1920x1080p 35mbps VBR mpeg2. The PS3 chokes on the native bitrate so I have to down-encode it anyway. As long as I have to do that, it could be sensible to just encode it to AVCHD with Nero Vision if...(big if) the quality was good. I think it supports 5.1 surround, and I know it supports menued AVCHD on red laser media.
Yes, I have Nero Vision 5 (which is part of Nero 8 package). It has more options for AVCHD than DMF6 or 7 (I didn't try others). It can create AVCHD with menus with background video and transitions from menu to menu and from menu to video.

My issue with Vision is that it wants to re-encode HDV (unless I create new HDV video using Vegas HDV template) when doing BD project. But it doesn't re-encode HD TS (1920x1080) files from cable.

I didn't like AVC quality produced by Nero. I think DMF7 does a better job and can go up to 18 Mbps.

Also, I now have Vegas Pro 8.0c, which added new FULL AVCHD template (1920x1080), and quality is outstanding.

Tom Roper

09-19-08, 01:16 AM

Yes, I have Nero Vision 5 (which is part of Nero 8 package). It has more options for AVCHD than DMF6 or 7 (I didn't try others). It can create AVCHD with menus with background video and transitions from menu to menu and from menu to video.

My issue with Vision is that it wants to re-encode HDV (unless I create new HDV video using Vegas HDV template) when doing BD project. But it doesn't re-encode HD TS (1920x1080) files from cable.

I didn't like AVC quality produced by Nero. I think DMF7 does a better job and can go up to 18 Mbps.

Also, I now have Vegas Pro 8.0c, which added new FULL AVCHD template (1920x1080), and quality is outstanding.

Perfect. Just the information I needed.

I also have Vegas Pro 8.0b, (haven't upgraded yet...guess I should do that now while I'm thinking about it...),

but...

And I agree with you the AVCHD quality seems good (but I haven't seen the Nero encodes to compare)...

The one issue I had with Vegas Pro 8.0(b) AVCHD is no support for 5.1 audio. Has that changed?

Could you take the Vegas Pro 8.0 AVCHD and have Nero Vision author that with menus? (No disrepect for your original .pdf menu hack...)

MozartMan

09-19-08, 06:41 AM

The one issue I had with Vegas Pro 8.0(b) AVCHD is no support for 5.1 audio. Has that changed?
Tom,

Vegas Pro 8.0b had AVCHD template with DD 5.1 surround audio. You had to choose Sony AVC template, not MainConcept. The problem was that 8.0b only had template for 1440x1080. Now 8.0c added 1920x1080 AVCHD template.

Could you take the Vegas Pro 8.0 AVCHD and have Nero Vision author that with menus? (No disrepect for your original .pdf menu hack...)
Yes, you can. Here is what Nero tells me at the final screen before compiling project:

Audio format:Automatic
Sample format:Automatic
Encoding mode:Fast Encoding (1-Pass)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1
1. Gang-V (Video Title, 0h 03m 28s)
- Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
- Video SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %

Video disc menu: Title and chapter menus

So, AVCHD file generated by Vegas 8.0c using Sony AVCHD template works perfectly with Nero Vision without re-encoding when you have SmartEncoding enabled in Nero Vision.

Tom Roper

09-19-08, 12:58 PM

THAT...sounds too good to be true. WOW!

I downloaded 8.0(c) update last night. Next I'll update my Nero.

You're awesome Mozart...

Tom Roper

09-20-08, 12:01 AM

...only lacking native 24p.

Mozart, would the menu'd workflow for mpeg-2 you posted on the how-to .pdf for menus work with TSMuxer like it did with TSRemux?

MozartMan

09-20-08, 12:46 AM

Mozart, would the menu'd workflow for mpeg-2 you posted on the how-to .pdf for menus work with TSMuxer like it did with TSRemux?
I didn't use TSRemux in that guide, it was for DMF6+.

starwarskid

09-22-08, 04:59 PM

I’ve pretty much read this entire thread and couldn’t find the answer to my question. Here’s my work flow based on MozartMan and others that have posted.

Working work flow when TS is all good. TS (MPEG2 video + DD5.1)
1. Capture TS (from Cable, DVHS, etc) to PC with CapDVHS
2. Edit using VideoRedo and save as .ts
3. Multiplex .ts using Tsmuxer. Create blu-ray ray folders
4. Burn folders using Nero (UDF 2.5) onto DVD media
5. Play DVD media on PS3. Awesome HD picture with DD5.1 :)

Now with a TS that switches from Dolby 2.0 (Interstitial breaks, previews, etc) then to DD5.1 (main movie), I’ve noticed that when selecting the TS into VideoRedo (VRD), VRD says the audio is 2.0 channels. I then edit the TS in VRD where the start of the video/audio is DD5.1 (6 channels) and then save it as .ts. Import this new edit into VRD and it still says 2.0 channels. :mad:

Question 1: Does VRD support saving the stream as DD5.1(6 channels) only when editing a TS that contains both 2 channel followed by 6 channel audio?

I did however find a workaround. I took the TS (2.0 channel followed by 6 channel audio) and edited it using HDTVtoMPEG2. I edited the beginning of the TS where I knew the DD5.1 started. Save it as .ts and imported into VRD. This time VRD says it’s 6 channel which is correct.

Question 2: Is there some setting that I have to set in VRD so I don’t have to use HDTVtoMPEG2 to do the ‘cutting’? I would prefer to do all the cut/edits in VRD.

LSHorwitz

09-24-08, 08:28 PM

My preference for Nero Vision is entirely based on using native AVCHD content, since Smart Rendering makes extremely fast AVCHD disks with great looking menus, transitions, etc. For HDV I have a lot of other tools I much prefer.

Larry

Brajesh

09-25-08, 10:09 AM

What tool are you guys using to join M2T or m2ts clips before you use NeroVision to burn an AVCHD disc? TSSplitter, TSRemux or TSMuxer? I sometimes get pixellation at join points when I use one of these tools to join actual clips from my Canon HF100 into a larger clip that I want as a single title in the AVCHD disc.

seggers

09-25-08, 10:16 AM

Nikonowski

09-25-08, 11:18 AM

Would you like to know if a menu-less AVCHD image will work on your standalone player? Read on.

1. Download this file (AVCHD.rar), containing a properly created AVCHD image. Decompress the file. This image plays PERFECTLY on a PS3 with firmware 2.35.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/a0p609

2. Download and install ImgBurn. You may also choose to use different software (Nero or other), if it is compatible with .nrg images.
http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
They don't allow direct linking, so please grab the file from one of the listed mirrors.

3. Once you launch the tool, select the icon in the top left, named "Write Image File to Disc"

4. By "Source", click the icon of the folder with a magnifying glass, and browse to the extracted AVCHD.nrg file.

5. Put a blank DVD into the device you wish to write with.

6. Make sure the DVD Recording device that you wish to write to is selected in the "Destination" drop down box.

7. Select the "File" menu up top, and choose, "Write".

8. When the writing is complete there will be a message box from ImgBurn stating it is finished. Simply click on the OK button.

9. Pop disc into your player. If your system is compatible with the process described in the next post, you are all set to author your own Blu-Ray discs, using cheap DVD-R media.

This image is a 30 second video of an MPEG-2 720p feed, digitally extracted from a cablebox. The video was not recompressed or altered in any way, other than to place it in an AVCHD container.

Reported Compatibility for Following Players:
Panasonic DMP-BD10: Success
Panasonic DMP-BD30 v1.3: Success
PS3 firmware 2.35: Success
Samsung BDP-1400: Success
Samsung BDP-1500: Success
Sony BDP-300: Success

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.

MozartMan

09-25-08, 12:23 PM

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.
See if this can help: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141348

tbui57

09-25-08, 01:06 PM

I have a sony HD-3 HiDef cam, and would like to convert the tapes to AVCHD and burn to a dual layer DVD to view in a bluray player. Could some one suggest me a good software for this task, and please be a bit specific, i.e., sony vegas has so many version (pro vs movie). I am looking for PQ, as close to the source as possible, nothing fancy. instruction & tips would be much appreciate. My apologies for being so novice, and thank you all...

GumboChief

09-26-08, 10:05 PM

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.

Sorry. I don't use mkv, so I don't know.

Tom Roper

09-27-08, 09:32 PM

Tom,

Vegas Pro 8.0b had AVCHD template with DD 5.1 surround audio. You had to choose Sony AVC template, not MainConcept. The problem was that 8.0b only had template for 1440x1080. Now 8.0c added 1920x1080 AVCHD template.

Yes, you can. Here is what Nero tells me at the final screen before compiling project:

Audio format:Automatic
Sample format:Automatic
Encoding mode:Fast Encoding (1-Pass)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1
1. Gang-V (Video Title, 0h 03m 28s)
- Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
- Video SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %

Video disc menu: Title and chapter menus

So, AVCHD file generated by Vegas 8.0c using Sony AVCHD template works perfectly with Nero Vision without re-encoding when you have SmartEncoding enabled in Nero Vision.

It's not working for me for the new Vegas 8.0(c) Sony AVC output for 1920x1080 AVCHD 5.1. Nero shows the above SmartEncoding ratios 100% for the audio and video, but when the disk auto-plays I get the full audio but the screen remains black. Could this be because I chose the option for no menu?

Edit: If I include a title menu, the disk boots to that menu, but upon pressing play the screen goes black (on the PS3) while the audio plays normally.

tai4de2

09-28-08, 01:10 AM

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400)

Properly created AVCHD DVDs *do* work on Sammy 1400. I use Nero 8 to create them from AVC off my HD camcorder. There is no transcoding.

Tom Roper

09-28-08, 02:44 PM

Using the same AVC 1920x1080i60 DD5.1 source file from Vegas Pro 8.0(c) that Nero Vision fails with, gives perfect playback when authored with Ulead MF6+ HD Pack.

MF6+ passes the native AVC file without re-encoding it, and creates a menu structure that plays on the PS3. Nice.

There are several negatives to the AVCHD format for MF6+...no motion menus, won't author to folders, won't play from DVD+RW.

MozartMan

09-28-08, 04:20 PM

There are several negatives to the AVCHD format for MF6+...no motion menus, won't author to folders, won't play from DVD+RW.
Tom,

I have MF6+ and I can play AVCHD project burned to DVD+RW on PS3 with no problem.

I also have trial version of MF7 Pro. It can author AVCHD project to hard disk folders.

You can get trial version of MF7 Pro here:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab1

Also, I like MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better that SonyAVC encoder from Vegas 8.

Tom Roper

09-28-08, 06:18 PM

Tom,

I have MF6+ and I can play AVCHD project burned to DVD+RW on PS3 with no problem.

I also have trial version of MF7 Pro. It can author AVCHD project to hard disk folders.

You can get trial version of MF7 Pro here:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab1

Also, I like MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better that SonyAVC encoder from Vegas 8.

Maybe the +RW problem was an abberration. If you like the MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better than the SonyAVC encoder, that's a good recommendation. Why is it better? Can it encode higher bit rates? Can MF7 Pro do motion menus on AVCHD?

MozartMan

09-28-08, 07:09 PM

Maybe the +RW problem was an abberration. If you like the MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better than the SonyAVC encoder, that's a good recommendation. Why is it better? Can it encode higher bit rates? Can MF7 Pro do motion menus on AVCHD?

SonyAVC (AVCHD) encoder can go only up to 15 Mbps for 1440x1080 and 16 Mbps for 1920x1080,

MF7 (and MF6+) can go up to 18 Mbps for either when you choose AVCHD project, and can go up to 20 Mbps when you choose Blu-ray project.

I encoded one of my HDV 40 minutes video file using SonyAVC encoder in Vegas 8.

First problem was that I couldn't play it with MPC (MediaPlayerClassic) on my computer. I could only play it with Newo ShowTime.

Then I burned .m2ts file to BD-RE, then copied to PS3 hard drive in order to check out quality on my Mitsubishi 73" DLP. Somewhere half way through the video it began stuttering, video and audio went out of sync, then it completely stopped. I couldn't FF or REW. The only functional button was red circle to go back to XMB.

It was very disappointing. Some people on Sony Vegas forum have problems with SonyAVC encoder.

Then I encoded the same file with MF7 Pro, and I was surprised with the quality. I was able to play it on my PC with MPC. And it played perfectly on PS3 hard drive via XMB.

My boss at work suppose to order MF7 Pro for me. We'll see if I can get it because looks like Corel pooled out the web page where you could order it in USD. Now it is only available in AUS dollars.

You can see it here:

http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

Last week it had four options and upgrade from MF6+ was $49.99 boxed version.

Tom Roper

09-29-08, 09:34 AM

I downloaded MF7 Pro, but for AVCHD it's not much improved over MF6+ because it still doesn't do motion menus for AVCHD, still the same encoder as before. It has some new text placement features, and you can author AVCHD to folders with it.

alluringreality

09-29-08, 07:21 PM

I couldn't find much that I considered an improvement with MF7Pro, other than not needing to buy the HD pack like with 6. For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

Tom Roper

09-30-08, 11:10 AM

For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

Thanks. I downloaded meGUI/x264 yesterday, and will give it a whirl and let you know. Quality seems good to you?

Brajesh

09-30-08, 03:26 PM

Download link (http://www.smlabs.net/tsMuxer/tsMuxeR_1.8.8(b).zip) ... No idea what the changes are though. But, encouraging to see Roman still updating this tool.

Tom Roper

09-30-08, 08:56 PM

For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

GumboChief

10-01-08, 04:04 PM

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

Dont know if the result would be "compliant", but I use ripbot264, and I love it.

mtallent

10-02-08, 12:17 PM

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

MeGUI has a tools section with an AVS script creator and a bitrate calculator, which helps a lot.

I usually use RipBot264 from Doom9.org forum as it is easier and it does a better job of calculating the correct bitrate, which is tricky with the m2ts file structure. I sometimes have A/V sync issues which I correct with tsMuxeR.

Mike T

GumboChief

10-04-08, 09:11 PM

I have a 1.2 gig 640x480 mpeg2 file. File came off of my cable box, and I am rather certain it is DVD "compliant"

Does anyone know what program I can use to make a video DVD, and not re-encode the video?

Nero-Vision, wants to re-encode to a 3.2 gig file, and I would rather avoid this.
Can anyone suggest a program that will do what I need?

A tsmuxer type program that will create a DVD file structure (vobs) for SD video (without re-encode)?

GumboChief

10-04-08, 09:26 PM

Actually, it might not be 640x480
windows mediaplayer says it is 640x480, but videoredo says it is 528x480
HDTV2DVD also says the file is 528x480

As I mentioned, the file was direct captured from my cablebox via firewire.
I have a 1.2 gig 640x480 mpeg2 file. File came off of my cable box, and I am rather certain it is DVD "compliant"

Does anyone know what program I can use to make a video DVD, and not re-encode the video?

Nero-Vision, wants to re-encode to a 3.2 gig file, and I would rather avoid this.
Can anyone suggest a program that will do what I need?

A tsmuxer type program that will create a DVD file structure (vobs) for SD video (without re-encode)?

GumboChief

10-04-08, 10:09 PM

OK. My messages can be ignored. On wikipedia, I found the allowed DVD resolutions, and my video does not match up. When I use HDTV2DVD, it creates a 720x480 output (which is on the list of allowed resolutions)

At 29.97 or 23.976 fps (usually used in regions where NTSC is standard):
720 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called full D1)
704 × 480 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called Half-D1, same as the China Video Disc standard)
352 × 240 pixels MPEG-2

aliaskary77

10-09-08, 05:16 PM

hi all.

this may have been answered, but after 20 pages, my brain is starting to leak out....so please bear with me....

i have a 1gb m2ts file with truehd and dtshd audio tracks. i was able to create the blu-ray folder structures using tsremux. (bypass audio alignment was unchecked and blu-ray trueHD to AC3/DTS HD to DTS was checked. I kept the video and both audio tracks.)
I burned it to a dvd with ImgBurn using UDF2.50.

Playing it on my HTPC with PowerDVD 8 Ultra, on a dvdrw and bdrom drive, it plays perfectly. but on the ps3, it starts out ok, but audio starts going out and the video is very jerky. pausing then playing again may make it ok again for another 5 seconds, but it happens again. the video is about 90 secs long and most of it is like that.

any tips? tia

Jim Gilliland

10-20-08, 09:40 AM

About 18 months ago, I started a thread asking what was the best way to put HD content onto a playable disc. At the time, it seemed that the methods and formats were not very well established, so I set it aside.

Recently, I bought a BluRay burner, and for the past several weeks I've been trying to successfully burn a playable BD from a TS file on my hard drive. The Cyberlink software that came with the drive failed consistently.

So after doing some reading in this and other threads, I downloaded TSMuxer and ImgBurn. Using those tools, I've successfully burned a BD that plays just fine. But that got started thinking about my earlier quest to do the same thing with, say, DVD rather than BD. So I did some experimenting.

I created a BluRay structure using TSMuxer and then used ImgBurn to put it onto a standard dual-layer DVD (subject to capacity limitations, obviously). I found that it played just fine in my PS3. And then I was delighted to find that it even played in my sister's old Samsung 1200 player. I assume that it will play on other bluray players as well.

Undoubtedly, most here are already well aware of this, but for me it was a wonderful discovery. I can use some simple and free software to create both BluRay discs and regular DVDs in BluRay format.

Still, I see lots of people here talking about lots of different software and techniques for storing HD content. So my question is this: If I can do this simply and effectively with just TXMuxer and ImgBurn, what capabilities am I missing? There must be a good reason that others are buying and using so many other tools. What are the limitations of this combo that are working so well for me?

jsloyer

10-20-08, 10:31 AM

Well stated, well asked, and I agree. And the only answer I can think of is blu-ray authoring. I too have had 100% success w/ TSMuxer and IMGBurn - I've also had 100% success with Pinnacle Studio 12 for authoring. If the answer isn't authoring, then I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that most of the folks don't have blu-ray burners and trying to get the process to work on a DVD burner? In fact, if I remember correctly, Pinnacle asks you what disk to burn it to, DVD being a choice, and will size and format appropriately.

I've had a blu-ray burner for about 8 months now, and have 2 BD-RE's and everything works perfectly. So perfect, that now I'm inclined to go buy a couple of BDs for the home kid movie authoring and stow them away.

Brajesh

10-20-08, 11:03 AM

Still, I see lots of people here talking about lots of different software and techniques for storing HD content. So my question is this: If I can do this simply and effectively with just TXMuxer and ImgBurn, what capabilities am I missing? There must be a good reason that others are buying and using so many other tools. What are the limitations of this combo that are working so well for me?
The only two things I can think of are [2] creating a menu & [2] having multiple/separate clips. If you don't need either, TSMuxer/TSRemux & ImgBurn do just fine.

Here's an easy way to create an AVCHD disc w/multiple clips & a generated menu (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1184425). If you want custom menus, just read a few pages back of this thread. Or, here's one way (works w/MPEG2 or AVCHD clips) (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1119634#post1119634).

Jim Gilliland

10-20-08, 11:31 AM

The only two things I can think of are [2] creating a menu & [2] having multiple/separate clips. If you don't need it, TSMuxer/TSRemux & ImgBurn do just fine.

OK, those would definitely be nice to have, though not critical for my purposes (at present anyway). I'm just happy to be able to easily save and replay this content without having to keep it on my hard drive.

I've had a blu-ray burner for about 8 months now, and have 2 BD-RE's and everything works perfectly. So perfect, that now I'm inclined to go buy a couple of BDs for the home kid movie authoring and stow them away.

Yes, my first purchase was a BD-RE for test purposes. No way am I willing to make a bunch of expensive coasters! But I did buy some $5 BD blanks from shop4tech.com. They seem to work fine.

Thanks to you both for your replies.

Brajesh

10-20-08, 11:38 AM

Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.

Jim Gilliland

10-21-08, 06:44 AM

So I have this TS file that I want to put on a disc. But the audio level (as originally broadcast) is very low. I know how to demux the TS file, but what software can I use to work with the AC3 audio.

Normally, I'd use Adobe Audition, but it doesn't appear to have the ability to rewrite the AC3 stream. It'll read it, but not write it. Any other reasonable alternatives?

Alternatively, can I remux the TS file using PCM rather than AC3? This is 2.0 audio anyway, so that wouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not sure how to go about it.

Brajesh

10-21-08, 10:15 AM

To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic317891.html) at videohelp.com & at this tool (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3filter/).

dargo

10-21-08, 02:18 PM

Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.
the blaze blanks, what player have you tried them in?

Brajesh

10-21-08, 03:23 PM

On my PS3, Samsung BD-P1500 (not the latest firmware), LG BH200 (also not the latest firmware), and LG HD DVD/BD combo DVD writer.

I haven't updated the firmware on my Samsung BD-P1500 & LG BH200 as the latest firmware for both are known to cause issues for AVCHD &/or BD-R/RE playback.

Sebe

10-22-08, 01:16 AM

Jim Gilliland

10-22-08, 10:25 AM

Tom Roper

10-22-08, 03:38 PM

I'm trying to burn 1920x1080 hdv (mpeg-2 video) from a jvc everio hd camcorder onto a dvd-rw disc for playback on a sony bdp s350 blu ray. I'm able to create a playable disc when I first convert the video to avchd. This method is rather time-consuming due to the video format conversion and I'd prefer to burn the mpeg-2 format video directly. I tried using the tsMuxeR tool to create a blu-ray directory structure and then burn it to a dvd with udf2.5 format, but the playback stuttered too much to be watchable. I then deleted the audio track in tsmuxer, recreated the dir structure, and reburnt the disc. Again, I got the stuttering. I'm thinking one of these might be the problem.
1) the original video file has problems
2) the sony mpeg decoder can't handle the bit rate and is dropping frames
3) the sony blu ray dvd drive can't read the data fast enough from the disc

Has anyone had success in burning mpeg files (TOD files) from a jvc hd camcorder onto a dvd for playback in high-def on a blu ray player?

First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.

Sebe

10-23-08, 07:10 PM

Thanks, I guess I'll need to run my computer overnight to convert to AVCHD (dual-core amd, 2.8ghz). BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.

First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.

Tom Roper

10-24-08, 12:31 AM

BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.

Thanks for clarifying that. It was occurring to me, that the JVC might have a 1920x1080 mpeg2 mode (which is great!), but...it's not HDV.

But moreover, if you would like confirmation on the root of the problem, pm me and I'll send you a mpeg-2 1920x1080 red laser DVD5/9 disk. If it doesn't play, it will confirm it's your player. If it does play, it will confirm the problem is with your authoring/burning step.

dargo

10-24-08, 03:10 PM

I've made BD from mpeg2 transport files with tsmuxer but I tried a transport file that was encoded h.264 and the audio is way out of sync did I do something wrong do I need to change settings or is h.264 the problem?
thanks

zoranite

10-25-08, 09:19 AM

Wondering if I could get some help from you fine folks, using MeGUI to convert trailer to 1920,1080 resolution, here is results from rawmedia info:

General #0
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\Perry\My Documents\Downloads\Quantum of Solace 1080P Trailer\quantumofsolace-tlr2_h1080p-muxed.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 676 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 38.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-10-25 05:37:25
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Family : AVC
Codec/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Codec settings, CABAC : Yes
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 36.6 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 39.5 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Writing library : x264 - core 65 r998M 6768543
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=39506 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=8 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=38000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

museumsteve

10-25-08, 07:31 PM

Hi guys
I've tried asking this elsewhere but had no favourable repsonses yet.
I've been archiving some of my fav .ts movies onto Bluray with great results, using TSmuxer and IMGburn.
However I am really struggling with some.
When I load a .ts into TSmuxer to build a BD it shows me the file info. If the audio delay is 0 then the resulting BD is perfect and plays on my PS3 and my BD30, however if the audio delay shows anything other than 0 then the resulting BD wont play, it simply stutters along.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance :)

Tom Roper

10-25-08, 08:37 PM

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

Did you burn UDF 2.5?

Tom Roper

10-25-08, 08:40 PM

.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance :)

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

alluringreality

10-25-08, 09:14 PM

Any ideas?

Have you tried the default Standalone-Blu-ray settings? I can tell the video settings aren't the same because ref is different. If I use the Sandalone-AVC-HD settings for example my player (not the same player) will play the x264 encoded video as AVCHD. Of course another question I would have would be, can your player play other custom video? Up the page Brajesh mentions issues depending on firmware of the player, which in that case a tread for the player might have more information.

CloudKind

10-27-08, 01:36 PM

I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

The entire process has worked well going from camera to final disk.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.

Does anyone know how to keep the final edited image the same as the original? Do I have to record an actual blu-ray disk to get the proper quality?

Thanks for any help.

Brajesh

10-27-08, 06:01 PM

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?
Did you upgrade to 2.0 firmware? Appears it's a known issue w/AVCHD & BD-R/REs. I'm sticking w/1.3 firmware until Sammy corrects the issue w/the next firmware. Fingers crossed.

vamovie

10-28-08, 09:34 AM

a3willia

10-29-08, 06:08 AM

So I've made a bunch of backup BD-Rs over the last few months after having discovered this thread. Kudos to you guys for all the info. I discovered last night that my S350 with the latest firmware will not play back some of my BD-Rs, even some that it played fine before. I'm sure it's not the discs, they play fine in my LG burner and in my Samsung 1400. Everything seems to be hit and miss in my S350 though. Anyone else experiecing the same? The last firmware update I did to the S350 was to enable the BD Live update at the end of last month.

museumsteve

10-29-08, 06:07 PM

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Thanks for the reply Tom, I'll give that a bash tomorrow and report the results :)

insimbi

10-30-08, 12:06 PM

Wondered if someone could offer some insight as to what I am doing wrong. I burned a .MKV file last night to a DVD-DL disc using ImgBurn and tsmuxer. I followed instructions shown on YouTube and received no errors.

When I played the disc in my Sony BDP-S350 it looks completely messed up. The image is doubled (like a ghost effect). There is a vertical line right down the middle of the screen and the picture looks stretched as well.

Is there something I am doing wrong? Has anyone ever experienced this before?

paintit77

10-30-08, 02:08 PM

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Hey Tom. I still can't get menus yet to work on my Panny BDP-30.

How is the Pinnicle 12 working out for you? Can it make compliant Menus work for AVCHD on you BR players?

Thanks.
T.

Tom Roper

10-31-08, 11:26 AM

Hi T!

I've not used Pinnacle. I dabbled with Nero Vision, and got compliant menus but it would not smart render my AVC h.264 videos. I also got compliant menus with the new MovieFactory. Although it passed my video without rendering (nice), unfortunately the menus did not have the full motion and sliders (with AVCHD) the Nero Vision product has. No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

For now, I still prefer the ubiquitous TSmuxeR, because it does the best job with native videos from the XDCAM-EX 1920x1080 24p, just without menus.

alluringreality

11-02-08, 03:48 PM

No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.

alluringreality

11-02-08, 04:09 PM

I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.

I don't know much about cameras, but generally I would figure if you're having issues with the video playback then trying to go from the camera to disk without transcoding would be the main thing to try to do. That 4 hour time sounds like the video is being converted to me. Either that or you'll want to look at how the video is being converted. It looks like the camera must do a lot of modes, so I figure it would probably be possible to find a mode that wouldn't need to be converted by the software.

Tom Roper

11-03-08, 04:03 PM

TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.

Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.

alluringreality

11-03-08, 04:59 PM

Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

Yeah... I wasn't talking cameras. I'm not sure I'd necessarily refer to that sort of storage as 24p. I just think of 24p as a 1920x1080 progressive video stream with a 24/1.001 frame rate, like most Blu-rays apparently use (of course with AACS). Anyway I figured there would be ways to process the sort of video you mention and make it a true 24p stream from some of the items I've read in http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/, but come to think of it that was probably mpeg2 cameras and things are probably still rather expensive to do that sort of processing on video from an AVCHD camera.

AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.

I use the term AVCHD to refer to the format that some Blu-ray players will play, but the same term is also used to refer to cameras so I suppose there was probably some confusion there.

While Nero and the Ulead/Corel products I've tried have certainly been unable to do anything 1920x1080 besides interlaced, the actual AVCHD format clearly supports true 24p video http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html As far as how consumer cameras package things I'm not sure what they do with video because it's not really in line with my own interests. As far as AVCHD and BDMV playback and authoring with with TotalMedia goes, true 24p seems possible. Mediainfo reports the video as 24p like encoded, and my TV goes to a 24p mode when the player outputs native.

PROCESS FOR 24P FOR THE DISKS:
1) Encode video using MeGUI
- AVS file has framerate set to 23.976
- The standalone AVC HD settings file is selected
- The output option for the video is set to 264, instead of default mp4
2) Mux to .ts using tsMuxer
3) Import video into TotalMedia to create AVCHD or BDMV

Step 1 can seemingly be replaced by using RipBot264, and setting the framerate and output type, but I'm not sure the maximum video rates are set to AVCHD maximums like in the MeGUI "AVC HD" standalone selection.
Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.

Tom Roper

11-03-08, 11:28 PM

Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.

Okay...very compelling. Sounds like native 24p to me. No doubt about it if your TV is switching to 24p mode. But do you think the 24p capability is TotalMedia, or TSmuxeR?

This is just me, but I would not trade away discrete 5.1 audio to have menus. Right now, using TSmuxeR alone, I get some pretty great video and audio from the Sony XDCAM, 1080/24p 35/mbps VBR mpeg-2, and 5.1 discrete channels at 640/kbps.

I score the soundtrack with royalty-free music from Smartsound, using the Sonicfire Pro editor. It outputs typically 8 or more discrete tracks as .wav files. Sony Vegas Pro has beautiful pan controls for placing the tracks into a 5.1 mix with LFE channel, filters, etc. So the audio is very important to me.

It is possible to transcode it to AVC h.264 of course, but with a small loss in quality.

alluringreality

11-04-08, 10:35 AM

But do you think the 24p capability is TotalMedia, or TSmuxeR?

Step 2 is just a compatibility item, tsMuxer is just packaging the stream. I know that if the steam is packaged as ts/m2ts then TotalMedia will pass a compliant video stream. There was another way that I could get the video to pass through without tsmuxer, but I'm not sure what I was doing because I didn't write it down. It's just the same as when I was using the Ulead/Corel software I noticed that if the video stream is packaged in different ways it can determine if the software transcodes.

This is just me, but I would not trade away discrete 5.1 audio to have menus.

My opinion is that all the relatively inexpensive software I've tried still has one drawback or other. In the video department TotalMedia is the only commercial software that I've seen pass anything full resolution besides interlaced video for AVCHD with menus, so if they ever would match their competitors in being able to pass audio it would be my clear choice for AVCHD & BDMV.

insimbi

11-04-08, 02:55 PM

MozartMan

11-04-08, 03:03 PM

^bump

Anyone? The MKV file plays just fine in QuickTime Pro or VLC - it just doesn't work when burned to a DVD-DL. Help!

Check out this thread, it may help:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134348

dargo

11-06-08, 01:39 AM

MozartMan

11-06-08, 10:56 AM

I'm new to blu-ray burning, I tried Tsmuxer with imgburn and the movie which was a mpeg-2 1080i transport stream played great but when i skipped ahead on the chapters the picture froze and the audio played fine after 10 seconds or so the picture caught up
and then played fine did i set something wrong or is this common?

dargo,

Was it .ts file from cable box?
Did you burn it to DVD-+R/RW or BD-R/RE?
What did you use to play it: stand alone, PS3, PC?

Many times .ts files from cable box have glitches and other problems. I always run my .ts files through MPEG2Repair (free), and then through VideoReDO ($50). VideoReDo is very good at fixing problems in .ts files. Then I use tsMuxeR to re-mux .ts file into .m2ts or into Blu-ray structure.

I archived a bunch of videos onto DVD+R/RW disks using tsMuxeR and Blu-ray disk option. I burned those disks mostly with Nero 8 with UDF 2.50. When I play those disks in PS3 and press NEXT on remote to skip to the next chapter, my PS3 is freezing sometimes for several seconds, and then starts playing again from that next chapter. But I don't have anything like you described.

dargo

11-06-08, 01:37 PM

dargo,

Was it .ts file from cable box?
Did you burn it to DVD-+R/RW or BD-R/RE?
What did you use to play it: stand alone, PS3, PC?

Many times .ts files from cable box have glitches and other problems. I always run my .ts files through MPEG2Repair (free), and then through VideoReDO ($50). VideoReDo is very good at fixing problems in .ts files. Then I use tsMuxeR to re-mux .ts file into .m2ts or into Blu-ray structure.

I archived a bunch of videos onto DVD+R/RW disks using tsMuxeR and Blu-ray disk option. I burned those disks mostly with Nero 8 with UDF 2.50. When I play those disks in PS3 and press NEXT on remote to skip to the next chapter, my PS3 is freezing sometimes for several seconds, and then starts playing again from that next chapter. But I don't have anything like you described.
I burn to BD-R playing on a Samsung 1400 I use video redo as well as MPEG2repair
have never had a issue with dvd's and sounds like you get the same thing advancing to the next chapter causes the video to freeze, wondering if authoring with dvdit HD pro would elimanate the problem? costs $300 may have no choice to get a really good BD
burn that does not freeze

MozartMan

11-06-08, 01:51 PM

sounds like you get the same thing advancing to the next chapter causes the video to freeze

Well, in my case it doesn't happen with every chapter. It happens with some chapters, and, as far as I remember, mostly on DVD+R DL disks. It doesn't happen on DVD+RW disks. I will double check when I get home.

With BD-RE disks I didn't have that problem at all. I used Ulead DMF6+ to author BDMV project and burned with Nero.

MozartMan

11-09-08, 10:18 AM

dargo,

Looks like there is a fix for chapter problems. I found this on Doom9 forum:

There is a fix out right now for the seeking issues with the PS3, it's a separate application that fixes the clpi file in the Blu-ray structure. It can be found in this thread, it called fixclpi.exe, there is also a gui. It works very well.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1211389#post1211389

I found the files and attached zip to my post.

I didn't try it yet. I will report when I do that.

EDIT:

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

Tom Roper

11-10-08, 06:51 PM

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

I can't wait to try this...

dargo

11-10-08, 11:47 PM

I can't wait to try this...

just upgraded to power producer 5 and great
no lag when searching chapters now if I can
learn the rest of the programe so I can make
cool menus will be happy camper

Tom Roper

11-13-08, 11:24 AM

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

Ditto. This is nice. Seems like fast forward and reverse got smoother as well.

jayhawk31

11-14-08, 12:04 PM

MozartMan

11-14-08, 01:21 PM

I am having a problem burning a blu-ray disk with Nero 9. I can burn a short disk (12 GB)with no problems. But when I try to burn a longer disk (40GB), Nero just shuts down after about 3 days. I am not present when it shuts down so I don't know what happened. Anybody have a similar problem?

Check out these links:

Do NOT purchase the new Nero 9:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=624089&Replies=2

Installation issues with Nero software:
http://forum.my.nero.com/index.php?showforum=12

Tom Roper

11-14-08, 03:25 PM

Nero is "bloatware?"

Psst...I couldn't have put it more succinctly. Glad to find out I'm not the only one. I think it is intrusive and hijackful as well. Never again.

MozartMan

11-14-08, 06:32 PM

I have Nero 8 and I don't have any problems. I do custom install and some other tips. So, here it goes.

Custom Installation of Nero 8

Select Custom Install.
Uncheck check box for browser toolbar plug-in (whatever its name is).
Select Nero Burning Rom and any other application you need (I also use Nero Vision and Nero ShowTime).
Install Nero.

At the end of installation you get window with several tabs, one of those is for video files association, and one for audio files. Unselect all for video and audio, so Nero won’t hijack your Windows files associations. Finish installation.

Now, here are some tips on how to clean up your computer from Nero pests.

I use utility called Startup Control Panel that I use to edit registry without going to REGEDIT.

Start StartupControlPanel and delete NeroFilterCheck entry, which located in HKLM/Run registry key tab.

Go to Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Services, and disable NMIndexingService.

Using Windows Explorer click on Program Files, click search, and type NM*.exe. Search will find a bunch of files that start with NM in file name:

NMBgMonitor.exe
NMFirstStart.exe
NMIndexingService.exe
NMIndexStoreSvr.exe
NMTVRecorder.exe
NMTvWizard.exe

Rename those files. I usually replace last e with _ (underscore) in the file extension.

Next, go to Start/All Programs/Nero 8/Nero Toolkit/ and click on "Nero Control Center". In Nero Control Center, click on the Update icon (Green arrow). Uncheck "Check for updates every: " box. Click "OK" button.

You can also disable key checking if you want. Look for a file named NeroPatentActivation.exe The path to that file can be found here: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Shared\NL3\NeroPatentActivation.exe. You need to either delete this file or rename it. If you decide to rename it, rename it something like this: NeroPatentActivation.exe.bak

And this is how you can Un-install NeroScout from your computer permanently:

Click Start, Run and type this:

regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Lib\MediaLibraryNSE.dll"

Enjoy your Nero without bloatware.

Tom Roper

11-14-08, 11:15 PM

You can also run msconfig.exe and selectively disable the nerofiltercheck, and other bloatware, so that it just bypasses all of it on startup.

When you boot, you'll get a nag screen that windows has blocked some startup programs, which you can make go away by right-clicking on it and choosing "exit."

There's a few things I like Nero for, the burning rom of course, but also the wav editor for audio is easy.

Forgive me for taking the opportunity to pounce on Nero, but I think I know what they are, and they suk. I also think it's "bugware" that doesn't get fixed before the next release that you have to pay for. At least that's what happened to me when version 9 came out about a week after I paid for version 8, and they want, I forget the exact amount but about $99 or so to upgrade to 9.

I have Vegas Pro 8.0(c), and I have Video Redo, and I have Movie Factory, and I have Nero, and maybe some others, but if I had to keep only ONE, the one that really does the most things with the most speed and simplicity, it's Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD. If you combine that with TSmuxeR and ImgBurn, I think you probably have the most versatile collection of toolsets for the minimalist for mpeg-2, including AC3 5.1, multiplex and demultiplexing streams, smart rendering, fast scrubbing timeline editor. Womble is really fast and easy. It's only 8 bit so you don't want to use it for color grading, but it has a nice library of transitions, a simple title editor, basic audio controls, a basic h.264 encoder, DVD authoring some useful utilities and more. It's only for mpeg, not AVCHD.

I'll shoot a 1920x1080/p24 video in Sony XDCAM 35 mbps VBR, use Vegas Pro to color grade, and mix a discrete 5.1 dolby digital audio track, export the the video and audio streams separately, but thereafter use Womble to finish the project, mux it all back together and get it ready for TSmuxeR.

paintit77

11-22-08, 12:16 PM

Hey Everyone.

Has anyone tried the latest version of pinnacle to try and make menus work with AVCHD. I can get my Panasonic BDP-30 to play the AVCHD Disks but I can't get it play them if I use a menu.

Thanks.
T.

alluringreality

11-23-08, 03:54 PM

Has anyone tried the latest version of pinnacle to try and make menus work with AVCHD. I can get my Panasonic BDP-30 to play the AVCHD Disks but I can't get it play them if I use a menu.

I've never used the product because they don't offer a trial and generally these programs have too many little issues to blind buy in my opinion. When the program came out the reports were that it didn't do menus with AVCHD, only BDMV, but http://pinnacle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pinnacle.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=17983 says that it does menus now. I thought the Panasonic played AVCHD with menus, but there are too many players to keep track of what plays what anymore. Have you tried an AVCHD with menus from another product? The AVCHD in the link below was created with Arcsoft that you could try to determine if it's the player or software.

skylab

11-24-08, 12:53 PM

I have been using tsmuxer for some time now to burn HD OTA recordings (MPEG II) and HD-PVR recordings (MEPG IV) to blu-ray on DVD-DL. I use the blu-ray option in tsmuxer and then burn the folders it creates to DVD-DL using nero (udf 2.5).

I now have a blu-ray burner. I did the exact same thing but this time the resultant BDMV (on 25 GB blu-ray disk) does not play back. All I get is a black screen (on the PS3) and a pause/play flicker on top of a black screen with my Samsung BDP-1500. I've read throught he thread. Can anyone provide me any suggestions as to where I've gone wrong? I've read through the thread and can't seem to find an answer.