...

Update: Still not working. I tried it again but do not know what to do after I re-muxed my entire .mpg file with videoredo and saved it as a .ts file and updated my Nero 8 Ultra to the latest a version. The video from the Blu-ray that resulted still froze every few seconds. The video input I am using in videoredo was originally a high defenition .tivo file that I cut the commercials out of before saving as an .mpg. What the heck do I need to do? Surely some are able to burn MPEG2 onto Blu-ray without it stuttering. I can make HD-DVD from these files very easily though I have no HD-DVD burner and have to burn it to regular DVD. I wanted to record to Blu-ray for its capacity like the original poster mentions in the original post of this thread. I could not find the correct information for this process in the twenty or so pages of this thread I tried looking? Could someone please help me a little? I will be very grateful. What do you do? Thank you.

Go into VideoReDo and select under tools (I think) "view video program information". The words may not be exactly that since I'm not at my video processor right now so I can't look at VideoReDo.

Append the information you find there. Since you said TiVo file, I wonder if the video datarate is above 40mbps? If it is, when you do a "Save as", save the file as a .ts and under "options" (in the save as) select a video rate of 40M. It won't change the video, just the header.

Either way, please append what VideoReDo says for the program information for the .ts file you created.

Go into VideoReDo and select under tools (I think) "view video program information". The words may not be exactly that since I'm not at my video processor right now so I can't look at VideoReDo.

Append the information you find there. Since you said TiVo file, I wonder if the video datarate is above 40mbps? If it is, when you do a "Save as", save the file as a .ts and under "options" (in the save as) select a video rate of 40M. It won't change the video, just the header.

Either way, please append what VideoReDo says for the program information for the .ts file you created.

Thank you alk3997 I will try this.


Does anybody have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin to try the trick that I did with Ulead DMF6+ to author MPEG-2 as AVCHD on DVD5/9 with menus and without re-encoding.

My PDF guide for DMF6+ is attached to this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

I have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin and I will try this as soon as I get some time and after I try to get MPEG2 to work on Blu-ray first. I still have not succeeded at that. The video stutters.

I have Nero 8 with Blu-ray plugin and I will try this as soon as I get some time and after I try to get MPEG2 to work on Blu-ray first. I still have not succeeded at that. The video stutters.
Thanks Rocka,

But I already got Blu-ray plugin for Nero 8. The trick works.

Thanks Rocka,

But I already got Blu-ray plugin for Nero 8. The trick works.


Though I have not used it yet, thank you MozartMan for your guide. I did not know about Blu-ray, but I guess the the only way to record MPEG2 without compression on Blu-ray is with this trick? I am still feeling confused, you replace which files with which? I am totally inexperienced when it comes to Blu-ray. I am definately wanting to record uncompressed MPEG2 on Blu-ray and I see on my Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus that AVCHD is only available with regular DVD so I guess the files that are replaced are the Blu-ray ones with the uncompressed AVC files or have I got something wrong?

ARRANGING SUBTITLES

In tsMuxer 1.8.4, under the Subtitles Menu, there are options for: FONT, FONT SIZE and COLOR.

There is also a Vertical and Horizontal Positioning section, but only the “bottom of screen” bottom offset pixels window is operative (all of the other options are grayed out)
The Default setting for the bottom offset pixels is 16. Changing it first to 8 and then burning a second disc with this setting to 48 didn’t make any difference. The location of the subs are centered Vertically, left of center Horizontally. Manually changing the Font (default is supposed to be Times Roman) to Avalon and increasing the size had no effect either. The burned disc comes back to the original Font, size and location.

I’m trying to move the subtitles to their normal position (centered Horizontally and lower Vertically). This is the second time I’ve encountered a movie file with subs being in the “middle of the screen”, distracting and difficult to read.

Apparently, I’m missing something.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ben

Shoot. I found out I think I can do what I want to do (record MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc without re-encoding) if I just use Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus and select BDMV. I am trying it now.

Shoot. I found out I think I can do what I want to do (record MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc without re-encoding) if I just use Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus and select BDMV. I am trying it now.

Does tsmuxer not work for you?

Actually Ulead did not work. I was wanting to record onto Blu-ray disc without re-encoding. Is it just me or do I seem to be making this more difficult than it really is. I will have to try tsmuxer.

I see that this thread is fairly old, yet pretty active, so I thought I'd look for some help here. I am very new to blu-ray authoring, and am learning the hard way, and am having some frustrating problems considering I am seeing good success from other members...

What I am esssentially trying to do is to archive some HD content (sports events) from my Tivo S3 to BD-R discs. I have downloaded the content as mpeg2 files to my pc, bought and installed VideoRedo TV Suite and Ulead MovieFactory 6+ with the HD add on (installed it correctly, with the patch b4 the hd addon, then updated DX9c). But what is happening is after I extract the .mpg from the .tivo file, every disc I burn, the video studders and the audio is off sync by about 5 seconds at the beginning, and gets worse as it plays.

The source is from the NFL network, 1920x1080, about 8 gigs. VideoRedo shows 10 audio frame errors when it completes the conversion, yet both the .tivo and the .mpg files play PERFECTLY in WMP on the PC, as well as in the preview windows in the Ulead BD Burner 2.7. PC is, BTW, XP Pro Media Center w/SP3 , Quad-core 3ghz Extreme proc, 4gigs, 300g 10k sata for OS, 500g 7200 RAID1 for data, LG GGW-H20L burner). I tried extracting as .ts, and while I haven't tried burning, the preview in the BD Burner shows studdering and artifacts.

I tried running the .mpg through the VRD stream fix (I forget what it's called) and I still get the same behavior.

The REALLY strange part is that I have one .tivo file (that big game in Feb) which I split in two and extraced as .mpg, and it burns perfectly (thank God, at least I have that) but it is 1280x720... Now I do change DMF settings to match the resolution of the source, but that has no effect.

Sorry for the long post, but I've already burned 5 coasters before I got my delivery of BD-RE's. At least now I can keep trying w/o frying $9 each failed attempt.

Am I using the wrong software? It looks like VRD and DMF are the two most popular apps, but considering I don't care to burn to standard DVD's, is there something better I should be looking at? Or am I missing some setting?

HELP - Before I go insane

Thanks

I'm thinking of getting in to blu-ray burning as well is there a authoring program
you can drop in 1080i mpeg2 ts files or ps files and burn like a dvd?
or has blu-ray software not gotten there yet?

I'm thinking of getting in to blu-ray burning as well is there a authoring program
you can drop in 1080i mpeg2 ts files or ps files and burn like a dvd?
or has blu-ray software not gotten there yet?

Read my guide from page 38:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746

Read my guide from page 38:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746
so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

No, the answer is yes.

If you don't need menus, you can use TSRemux or tsMuxeR and simply drop in a mpeg2 file and with no menu or anything have HD content with MPEG-2 on DVD media. And TSRemux and tsMuxeR are free, compare to TMPGEnc dvd author.

My guide is for when you want to get fancy and have menus on DVD with MPEG-2 videos.

so the answer is no?
nice guide but for dvd I can simply drop in a mpeg2 file
and with no menu or anything with TMPGEnc dvd author
boom got a dvd that will play in anything no messing with files or settings
guess blu-ray for home authoring is still in beta

Not entirely true. In it's infancy, but possible. I have had success using Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6+, on a very important Football game played in Feb 08, extracted from my HD Tivo, but am having difficulties with some other program material. It seems my problems are related to my source files, which I am working on.

But it is definitly possible to burn HD content direct to BD-R. Just tricky...

(Or were you asking about burning to DVD?)

No, the answer is yes.

If you don't need menus, you can use TSRemux or tsMuxeR and simply drop in a mpeg2 file and with no menu or anything have HD content with MPEG-2 on DVD media. And TSRemux and tsMuxeR are free, compare to TMPGEnc dvd author.

My guide is for when you want to get fancy and have menus on DVD with MPEG-2 videos.
but can you burn to bd-r

but can you burn to bd-r

What do you mean?

Of course you can! You probably didn't even try.

You can author Blu-ray project with MPEG-2 video and burn it to BD-R or BD-RE with:

Sony DVD Architect 5
Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD Pack
Nero Vision 5 (from Nero 8 package)
Cyberlink Power Producer
Archsoft Total Media Extreme
Sonic Scenarist HDMV
Sony Blu-print
Roxio DVD-it Pro HD
Adobe Encore

What do you mean?

Of course you can! You probably didn't even try.

You can author Blu-ray project with MPEG-2 video and burn it to BD-R or BD-RE with:

Sony DVD Architect 5
Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+ with HD Pack
Nero Vision 5 (from Nero 8 package)
Cyberlink Power Producer
Archsoft Total Media Extreme
Sonic Scenarist HDMV
Sony Blu-print
Roxio DVD-it Pro HD
Adobe Encore
No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks

No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks

I will come back more fully on this later, but I have both MF6+ HD and Cyberlink Power Producer (came with the LG BD burner).

The Power producer will easily do BDAV (no menus) and MF 6 requires a little work to produce menus (BDMV). I think MF can be made to do BDAVs but I'm not sure.

Caviats:

I am using an AVCHD Canon Camcorder for my source material.
I have a BD burner and I am burning (way too many blessed expensive coasters) BD-Rs and BD-REs
I have not yet tried to produce a DVD9 with my AVC stuff for my PS3.

Seggers

No I have not tried, did not want to waste money on a burner till I found out if there is a viable software solution. Of the programs listed which would you recommend? I just want to burn tv shows captured over firewire from my cable box using dvhscap and video redo
I don't need menus but would like to skip to the next episode. thanks
If you don't care about menus and want to author MPEG-2 videos as AVCHD disk on DVD5/9 and as BDMV disk on BD-R/RE the best solution for you would be tsMuxeR, which is free.
BDMV folder produced by tsMuxeR plays as AVCHD on DVD5/9 and as BDMV on BD-R/RE.

If you plan to burn on BD-R/RE, Ulead DMF6+ with HD Pack ($100) would be your choice .

I have Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus with the HD Pack, Nero 7 Ultra and Nero 8 Ultra both with Blu-ray plugin, the requisite VideoReDo TVSuite, a LG GGW-H20L burner, Ulead Videostudio 11.5 Plus and I stll cannot burn MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc.
Since I have had no success using Nero 7 and 8 and Moviefactory 6 I tried to use tsmuxer. I loaded two .mpg programs, one with dolby 2.0, the other with 5.1, they were originally .tivo files that I removed the commercials from and saved as .mpg with VideoReDo TVSuite. I selected Blu-ray for my result and started muxing at the bottom of the GUI. There was another choice at the bottom of the GUI of tsmuxer, save to clipboard, but I did not use it. I recycled the certificate that tsmuxer made Since I neither knew what it was for or what to do with it and burned only the BDMV folder with Nero Burning Rom as a UDF version 2.5 from the advanced settings though I do not know if this was right. The video plays and looks fine on two different stand alone Blu-ray players. I just cannot access the second of the two shows I muxed and the audio from the show I am able to access appears to be from a completely different source than either of these two show. What have I or am I doing wrong, or does anyone have any suggestions? I hope I have given enough detail. These are the best result I have gotten so far believe it or not in about a week. Perhaps I should have also taken my file which was a .mpg and put it through VideoReDo TVSuite again using this Brajesh tip from his guide, "after you open VRD, click 'Tools', then while holding down the 'Shift' key, choose 'Options'. This gives you extra setup options. Find the line 'Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs' and enable it to 'True'" and resaved the files as .ts like he says even though he is speaking of making Blu-ray using tsmuxer on DVD. I do not know if I am right in what I am doing, but I have really been working on it. What I really need is lessons on how to do this and I do not know anywhere else to get them except here.I would rather not post this much information, so I hope it is helpful that I do this. I really want to burn MPEG2 on Blu-ray discs. I am able to record MPEG2 HD to regular DVD without any problem in the HD-DVD format. Like the the original poster of this thread is saying, regular DVD is just not hacking it for recording HD in MPEG2. They files are too big.

...I loaded two .mpg programs, one with dolby 2.0, the other with 5.1, they were originally .tivo files that I removed the commercials from and saved as .mpg with VideoReDo TVSuite.

So, your source files from Tivo. See if this guide helps:

Creating HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks with TivoToGo using DVD media...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324

I have Ulead Moviefactory 6 Plus with the HD Pack, Nero 7 Ultra and Nero 8 Ultra both with Blu-ray plugin, the requisite VideoReDo TVSuite, a LG GGW-H20L burner, Ulead Videostudio 11.5 Plus and I stll cannot burn MPEG2 to Blu-ray disc.

Personally I consider Movie Factory rather simple to use, and considering you have the software I'd question if you've tried the following:

1) Choose the Movie Factory BDMV option (maybe it's called Blu-ray) for your mpeg2 video
2) When ready to burn, choose the option to create files instead of a burning to Blu-ray in Movie Factory
3) Burn the files to Blu-ray with Nero burning rom like you did with the tsMuxer files

Steps 2 and 3 would just avoid any burning issues with the Movie Factory software, but if HD DVDs and tsMuxer work for you I'd really be surprised if this procedure wouldn't play on the BDP-S1 considering it plays from DVD media this way when most players don't.

That guide is outdated. I would not bother with it. As a tivohd uses a cablecard, it just does a capture of the rawbits, just like a motorola box does.

They wrap the mpeg2 file in a drm container they call *.tivo

I think video redo supports *.tivo. If it does not, there is a util which will strip the drm in about 10 seconds, without touching the mpeg (cant remember name right now)

Anyway, there is no reason why tsmuxer wont work on these tivo files, once they have been saved as mpegs.

So, your source files from Tivo. See if this guide helps:

Creating HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks with TivoToGo using DVD media...

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371324

DirectShowDump
http://prish.com/etivo/tbr.htm

Install it where you have tivotogo

Works great

Personally I consider Movie Factory rather simple to use, and considering you have the software I'd question if you've tried the following:

1) Choose the Movie Factory BDMV option (maybe it's called Blu-ray) for your mpeg2 video
2) When ready to burn, choose the option to create files instead of a burning to Blu-ray in Movie Factory
3) Burn the files to Blu-ray with Nero burning rom like you did with the tsMuxer files

Steps 2 and 3 would just avoid any burning issues with the Movie Factory software, but if HD DVDs and tsMuxer work for you I'd really be surprised if this procedure wouldn't play on the BDP-S1 considering it plays from DVD media this way when most players don't.

alluringreality,
I was beginning to think it was some burning issues with Moviefactory because whenever it got to the burning part Moviefactory would
stop and say something like DVD Engine failure. So I am going to try doing it this way and see what happens but I feel good about it. Maybe I can finally have some success. Thank you for your response.
Rocka2

alluringreality,
I was beginning to think it was some burning issues with Moviefactory because whenever it got to the burning part Moviefactory would
stop and say something like DVD Engine failure. So I am going to try doing it this way and see what happens but I feel good about it. Maybe I can finally have some success. Thank you for your response.
Rocka2

I have gotten the same DVD engine failure every time I try and work with a particular source file, trying to write to a folder... I have recorded it twice on my tivo series 3 (HD), same network, two different "broadcasts", ran it through videoredo ts, saved it as .mpeg and .ts and still can't get a reliable bd-r out of it.

What's worse, is ONE TIME, I made a reliable, perfect disc, that plays perfectly. No studder, no audio sync issues. But it was to a bd-re, and I really want to put it on a bd-r, and I can't remember what the hell I did to make it work! I know I used the stand alone BD Recorder thet DMF6+ loads if you choose "no" to the "need menu" question when you start a new project, but that's it. Every time i've tried since, i've gotten $9 coasters.

Now i'm waiting for more bd-re's to arrive, and i'm gonna log every step and setting I do/set... Hopefully.

Hopefully

What's worse, is ONE TIME, I made a reliable, perfect disc, that plays perfectly. No studder, no audio sync issues. But it was to a bd-re, and I really want to put it on a bd-r, and I can't remember what the hell I did to make it work! I know I used the stand alone BD Recorder thet DMF6+ loads if you choose "no" to the "need menu" question when you start a new project, but that's it. Every time i've tried since, i've gotten $9 coasters.

Now i'm waiting for more bd-re's to arrive, and i'm gonna log every step and setting I do/set... Hopefully.

Hopefully


Why can't you just do a "disk copy" in Nero from the BD-RE to a BD-R?

Mike T

Why can't you just do a "disk copy" in Nero from the BD-RE to a BD-R?

Mike T

Good point, I could. But I still want to figure out what I need to do to make relaible BD-R/RE burns... Which I still can't seem to do.

It appears DVD Movie Factory 7 has now been released outside Japan. http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab0&tabview=tab6 has a link to the free trial. I'm currently downloading so I'm not sure what might have changed. The only thing I considered MF6 was missing in comparison to say TotalMedia Extreme (http://www.arcsoft.com/support/downloads/downloadnow.asp?downloadid=411) was 24p video support and the ability to do custom sub-menus.

It appears DVD Movie Factory 7 has now been released outside Japan. http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab0&tabview=tab6 has a link to the free trial. I'm currently downloading so I'm not sure what might have changed.

Are you downloading DVD Movie Factory 7 or DVD Movie Factory Pro 7?

I'm downloading the Pro version that link seems to go to. I'm going to guess that they changed their naming convention where now Pro 7 is like 6 Plus in that those versions have the HD capabilities.

The download link is acutally on the Aus site and the US site generally still links to version 6. The US prices for 7 Pro seem to match Version 6+ without the HD pack. http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

I'm downloading the Pro version that link seems to go to. I'm going to guess that they changed their naming convention where now Pro 7 is like 6 Plus in that those versions have the HD capabilities.
No. When I bought DMF6+ I also had to pay additional $20 for HD pack.
But may be that changed with version 7.

Hello all, I type this long message and it didn't get posted...so let me type a short version.

I have:
Canon HG10 video camera (does avchd) 1080i
I have PC quad core
I have bluray burner LG GGW-H20L (does HD dvd too but who cares)
I have PowerProducer4 (doesn't do avchd)
I have nero 8 ultra (nero vision included with bluray authoring)

Using nero vision I Import my 18gig files from my camera onto the PC hard drive. The camera chops it into many pieces of files called MTS.

I use nero vision "make a movie" I import all the videos I wanted, then put in text, effects, transition, chapter markers. Nero crashes several times, so I save often. I finally have my video and let nero does its thing. It's process the file, while processing my quad core is up to 98%. When it gets to the end it went back down to 20% or so, but the file kept growing beyond 18gig and nero still goes on, for hours. my file grew to 500gig (not a typo) it then crashes because I'm out of drive space. I'm not sure if it's suppose to do that so I did it again, same thing happen. I click on the 0000.m2ts file that's 500gig large that nero created to see if it plays. It does, but there was audio only the first few seconds and the video was below quality of that if I had plugged the camera directly to my TV via mini HDMI. The video is grainy, but still better than standard dvd video. This is not going well for me. Does anyone have experience authoring bluray video? From AVCHD camera, and what software are you using, is it worth it to upgrade power producer 4 to 5 and is it any good. Any pointers would be appreciated. I have a bluray player also, it is a ps3 in my living room. Would like to play on the ps3 and maybe make some dvds of the same video since my relatives don't appreciate bluray like I do.

I was checking my manual for my blu-ray player for info on bd-r and bd-re. It says to play BDMV the BD-r needs to be format version 2 and BD-re needs to be format version 3.

Anyone know what this means and how does one find out if blanks are the right format.

Has anyone tried to convert TRP files from a Dish Network receiver (MPEG4, 1080i)? I'm able to convert these to .ts files using H264TS cutter. But after that, I'd like to edit the TS files (or converted M2TS files) to remove commercials, etc. Everything I've tried seems to crash. I'd like to retain the 5.1 sound as well.

To summarize - I'd like to take these MPEG4 1080i files (from Dish Network) and create an edited video file that is compatible on the PS3 (I'll ensure that they're less than 4GB), and retains its HD nature. VideoRedo does not work. A timeline for editing frames would be nice. The closest I got was Ulead but it crashed every time during editing. I'm also using Vista-64 bit on an Intel quad-core (don't know if that's an issue).

Thanks in advance.

Has anyone tried to convert TRP files from a Dish Network receiver (MPEG4, 1080i)? I'm able to convert these to .ts files using H264TS cutter. But after that, I'd like to edit the TS files (or converted M2TS files) to remove commercials, etc. Everything I've tried seems to crash. I'd like to retain the 5.1 sound as well.

To summarize - I'd like to take these MPEG4 1080i files (from Dish Network) and create an edited video file that is compatible on the PS3 (I'll ensure that they're less than 4GB), and retains its HD nature. VideoRedo does not work. A timeline for editing frames would be nice. The closest I got was Ulead but it crashed every time during editing. I'm also using Vista-64 bit on an Intel quad-core (don't know if that's an issue).

Thanks in advance.

How do you extract files from the Dish receiver? Is this process documented somewhere?

Hi All,

What I would like to do is extract clips (chapters, time slices, whatever), from unencrypted 24 FPS BD discs (that part I can do already, but if any of you have great ways to do it I'm all ears), and burn them onto a BD-R.

The problem is that what I end up with is 1080p/30 or the multichannel soundtrack gets re-encoded into two channel.

I just want a bit for bit copy. Any thoughts?

24 FPS

TotalMedia Extreme is the only inexpensive program I've used that can do 24p video with menus, but it does seem to transcode audio to 2 channel. tsMuxer or TsRemux would be the only other programs that come to mind for 24p video in multiple formats.

TotalMedia Extreme is the only inexpensive program I've used that can do 24p video with menus, but it does seem to transcode audio to 2 channel. tsMuxer or TsRemux would be the only other programs that come to mind for 24p video in multiple formats.

Yea, Once TotalMediaExtreme supports 5.1 or greater surround, they'll have a great product...

Hello all,

I don't know if this is the right place for this but I couldn't find any other regions that would fit my issue! So, I appreciate it if this doesn't get moved!

I have been researching and researching here and on google about making my own BR format onto a DVD-R 4.7. Using tsmuxer and imgburn, I followed the specified procedures to mux a .MKV and then burn onto UDF2.5.

However, the chances of my BR DVDs playing on my P1400 is less than 50%. I was able to play some of my BR DVDs but a lot of them won't even play. It loads for a min or 2 and then says STOP.

Anyone got ideas why this is happening and how to make my files play?

Edit: Would it be because my .mkv files have resolution not supported by the player/TV (some video does say 1280:688p when they mux)? OR the fps is 25?

I don't know if those characteristics matter...:confused:

Hello all,

I don't know if this is the right place for this but I couldn't find any other regions that would fit my issue! So, I appreciate it if this doesn't get moved!

I have been researching and researching here and on google about making my own BR format onto a DVD-R 4.7. Using tsmuxer and imgburn, I followed the specified procedures to mux a .MKV and then burn onto UDF2.5.

However, the chances of my BR DVDs playing on my P1400 is less than 50%. I was able to play some of my BR DVDs but a lot of them won't even play. It loads for a min or 2 and then says STOP.

Anyone got ideas why this is happening and how to make my files play?

Edit: Would it be because my .mkv files have resolution not supported by the player/TV (some video does say 1280:688p when they mux)? OR the fps is 25?

I don't know if those characteristics matter...:confused:

Yes, that is EXACTLY the problem. Most mkv files are cropped to odd resolutions whch the BR players won't support. The files have to reencoded adding black bars to compliant resolutions (720, 1080). 25 fps is a supported BR spec, so no worries there.

if u r using tsmuxer
ther' an option in the tabs to split
but u will end 2/3 or 4 sometimes 5 dvd-dl

Hi all

I learned a lot of this site and now i am stuck with a question
bdn graphic works fine but now i want to import text subs for they can be moved, cropped and colorchanged

heres what i got so far but scenarist gives me grammatical error
Can anyone can give me any pointers ?
BTW i know there are no events but i have to figure out how to write it
so please help me

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<BDN Version="0.93" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="BD-03-006-0093b BDN File Format.xsd">
<Description>
<Name Title="Somemovie" Content=""/>
<Language Code="nld"/>
<Format VideoFormat="1080p" FrameRate="23.976" DropFrame="False"/>
<Events CharacterCode="1" FirstEventInTC="00:01:20:02" LastEventOutTC="00:01:20:02" NumberofEvents="5" Type="Text" />
</Description>
<Palettes>
<Palette>
<Entry Index="0" R="254" G="254" B="254" A="254"/>
<PaletteID="10"/>
<Colormode="RGB"/>
</Palette>
</Palettes>
<Fonts Font FontID="40" FontFile="Arial.OTF"/>
<TextRegions>
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I have been researching and researching here and on google about making my own BR format onto a DVD-R 4.7. Using tsmuxer and imgburn, I followed the specified procedures to mux a .MKV and then burn onto UDF2.5.

However, the chances of my BR DVDs playing on my P1400 is less than 50%. I was able to play some of my BR DVDs but a lot of them won't even play. It loads for a min or 2 and then says STOP.

Anyone got ideas why this is happening and how to make my files play?



The Samsung players can be hit or miss when trying to play any home burned BR format discs. I use Imgburn and TSMuxer to auhtor BD5/9. Speaking from experience on the BD-P1200, it can depend on FW, brand of media, using + or - type media, etc. Might want to check the BD-P1400 thread in the players section and see if anyone has sorted through some of these variables.

The 1200 played film based 720p video but had stuttering problems, I assume due to the 3:2 pulldown. Never tried any 720p video.



Brian

So what are the best performing burners and where are the deals for the most cost effective burners? Also, best source for low cost BR media?

So what are the best performing burners and where are the deals for the most cost effective burners? Also, best source for low cost BR media?

I have the LG GGW-H20L BD/HD DVD drive. For blanks I have bought some in CC of all places, but I usually trawl here, Amazon and ebay. On ebay there's a seller called netsoftmedia who seels them in packs of 9 (something to do with postage) for what turns out to be ok cost per disc.

My best advise, to start with at least, is to get a 25 and 50Gb R/W disc. It will be expensive, but a darn site cheaper than burner a couple of 10$ coasters....

Seggers

I have bought from him
http://stores.ebay.com/nikoneko-Ya
8 USD per disk (10 pack)

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

Got a link? I can't find this on their site.

Seggers

i went to the store
not on site most of the sales they are not posting or updating

fry's got the sale 15pack sindle for 65.00 with tax
thats a 4.33 a piece
can't beat it
even if u compare with dvd-dl(8.5)each 1.44 cheapyones
3x1.44=4.33

I get my DVD-DL for 80 cents from amazon. They are on sale every 1 - 2 weeks.

Got a link? I can't find this on their site.


This is the spindle I saw in store. I don't think it was $65 but it was certainly less than $150!

I recall thinking it was the cheapest per disc I had seen... perhaps I should hit the store tonight :D

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5679721

This is the spindle I saw in store. I don't think it was $65 but it was certainly less than $150!

I recall thinking it was the cheapest per disc I had seen... perhaps I should hit the store tonight :D

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5679721

Cheers, I nearly choked on my OJ... :eek:

The link is for a spindle of 15 REs at 150$.

Seggers

Cheers, I nearly choked on my OJ... :eek:

The link is for a spindle of 15 REs at 150$.

Seggers

Haha - sorry.

In any case, the spindle of BD-R is indeed $60 + tax Ending Today at Frys.

The Frys PLU is 5678681 - normal price is $89.99

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5678681

Cheers!

I am playing with trial version of Corel DVD Movie Factory 7 Pro. There are only 4 templates for Blu-ray project. Two templates are standard Blu-ray, other two are BD-J.

I created Blu-ray project using one BD-J template. And there is 00000.bdjo file in the BDJO folder. And those BD-J templates allow "pop-up" menus when playin in my PS3.

But looks like there is a bug when using any of those two BD-J templates. I burned project to BD-RE and played on my PS3. PS3 doesn't show any title or chapter time information and no time on the progress bar.

Here is the link to Corel online store in USD:

http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

Mozart, have you tried Nero Vision? I have no first hand experience with it, except that Larry Horwitz from dvinfo.net rates it his favorite among menued AVCHDs Power Director 7, Pinnacle 12, Total Media Extreme, and Ulead Video Studio 11.5.

I think he's working from the perspective of AVCHD camcorders.

I'm using XDCAM 1920x1080p 35mbps VBR mpeg2. The PS3 chokes on the native bitrate so I have to down-encode it anyway. As long as I have to do that, it could be sensible to just encode it to AVCHD with Nero Vision if...(big if) the quality was good. I think it supports 5.1 surround, and I know it supports menued AVCHD on red laser media.

Mozart, have you tried Nero Vision? I have no first hand experience with it, except that Larry Horwitz from dvinfo.net rates it his favorite among menued AVCHDs Power Director 7, Pinnacle 12, Total Media Extreme, and Ulead Video Studio 11.5.

I think he's working from the perspective of AVCHD camcorders.

I'm using XDCAM 1920x1080p 35mbps VBR mpeg2. The PS3 chokes on the native bitrate so I have to down-encode it anyway. As long as I have to do that, it could be sensible to just encode it to AVCHD with Nero Vision if...(big if) the quality was good. I think it supports 5.1 surround, and I know it supports menued AVCHD on red laser media.
Yes, I have Nero Vision 5 (which is part of Nero 8 package). It has more options for AVCHD than DMF6 or 7 (I didn't try others). It can create AVCHD with menus with background video and transitions from menu to menu and from menu to video.

My issue with Vision is that it wants to re-encode HDV (unless I create new HDV video using Vegas HDV template) when doing BD project. But it doesn't re-encode HD TS (1920x1080) files from cable.

I didn't like AVC quality produced by Nero. I think DMF7 does a better job and can go up to 18 Mbps.

Also, I now have Vegas Pro 8.0c, which added new FULL AVCHD template (1920x1080), and quality is outstanding.

Yes, I have Nero Vision 5 (which is part of Nero 8 package). It has more options for AVCHD than DMF6 or 7 (I didn't try others). It can create AVCHD with menus with background video and transitions from menu to menu and from menu to video.

My issue with Vision is that it wants to re-encode HDV (unless I create new HDV video using Vegas HDV template) when doing BD project. But it doesn't re-encode HD TS (1920x1080) files from cable.

I didn't like AVC quality produced by Nero. I think DMF7 does a better job and can go up to 18 Mbps.

Also, I now have Vegas Pro 8.0c, which added new FULL AVCHD template (1920x1080), and quality is outstanding.

Perfect. Just the information I needed.

I also have Vegas Pro 8.0b, (haven't upgraded yet...guess I should do that now while I'm thinking about it...),

but...

And I agree with you the AVCHD quality seems good (but I haven't seen the Nero encodes to compare)...

The one issue I had with Vegas Pro 8.0(b) AVCHD is no support for 5.1 audio. Has that changed?

Could you take the Vegas Pro 8.0 AVCHD and have Nero Vision author that with menus? (No disrepect for your original .pdf menu hack...)

The one issue I had with Vegas Pro 8.0(b) AVCHD is no support for 5.1 audio. Has that changed?
Tom,

Vegas Pro 8.0b had AVCHD template with DD 5.1 surround audio. You had to choose Sony AVC template, not MainConcept. The problem was that 8.0b only had template for 1440x1080. Now 8.0c added 1920x1080 AVCHD template.

Could you take the Vegas Pro 8.0 AVCHD and have Nero Vision author that with menus? (No disrepect for your original .pdf menu hack...)
Yes, you can. Here is what Nero tells me at the final screen before compiling project:

Audio format:Automatic
Sample format:Automatic
Encoding mode:Fast Encoding (1-Pass)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1
1. Gang-V (Video Title, 0h 03m 28s)
- Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
- Video SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %

Video disc menu: Title and chapter menus

So, AVCHD file generated by Vegas 8.0c using Sony AVCHD template works perfectly with Nero Vision without re-encoding when you have SmartEncoding enabled in Nero Vision.

THAT...sounds too good to be true. WOW!

I downloaded 8.0(c) update last night. Next I'll update my Nero.

You're awesome Mozart...

...only lacking native 24p.

Mozart, would the menu'd workflow for mpeg-2 you posted on the how-to .pdf for menus work with TSMuxer like it did with TSRemux?

Mozart, would the menu'd workflow for mpeg-2 you posted on the how-to .pdf for menus work with TSMuxer like it did with TSRemux?
I didn't use TSRemux in that guide, it was for DMF6+.

I’ve pretty much read this entire thread and couldn’t find the answer to my question. Here’s my work flow based on MozartMan and others that have posted.

Working work flow when TS is all good. TS (MPEG2 video + DD5.1)
1. Capture TS (from Cable, DVHS, etc) to PC with CapDVHS
2. Edit using VideoRedo and save as .ts
3. Multiplex .ts using Tsmuxer. Create blu-ray ray folders
4. Burn folders using Nero (UDF 2.5) onto DVD media
5. Play DVD media on PS3. Awesome HD picture with DD5.1 :)

Now with a TS that switches from Dolby 2.0 (Interstitial breaks, previews, etc) then to DD5.1 (main movie), I’ve noticed that when selecting the TS into VideoRedo (VRD), VRD says the audio is 2.0 channels. I then edit the TS in VRD where the start of the video/audio is DD5.1 (6 channels) and then save it as .ts. Import this new edit into VRD and it still says 2.0 channels. :mad:

Question 1: Does VRD support saving the stream as DD5.1(6 channels) only when editing a TS that contains both 2 channel followed by 6 channel audio?

I did however find a workaround. I took the TS (2.0 channel followed by 6 channel audio) and edited it using HDTVtoMPEG2. I edited the beginning of the TS where I knew the DD5.1 started. Save it as .ts and imported into VRD. This time VRD says it’s 6 channel which is correct.

Question 2: Is there some setting that I have to set in VRD so I don’t have to use HDTVtoMPEG2 to do the ‘cutting’? I would prefer to do all the cut/edits in VRD.

My preference for Nero Vision is entirely based on using native AVCHD content, since Smart Rendering makes extremely fast AVCHD disks with great looking menus, transitions, etc. For HDV I have a lot of other tools I much prefer.

Larry

What tool are you guys using to join M2T or m2ts clips before you use NeroVision to burn an AVCHD disc? TSSplitter, TSRemux or TSMuxer? I sometimes get pixellation at join points when I use one of these tools to join actual clips from my Canon HF100 into a larger clip that I want as a single title in the AVCHD disc.

What tool are you guys using to join M2T or m2ts clips before you use NeroVision to burn an AVCHD disc? TSSplitter, TSRemux or TSMuxer? I sometimes get pixellation at join points when I use one of these tools to join actual clips from my Canon HF100 into a larger clip that I want as a single title in the AVCHD disc.

Personally, I'd use Pixela and let that join up the clips.

Seggers

Would you like to know if a menu-less AVCHD image will work on your standalone player? Read on.

1. Download this file (AVCHD.rar), containing a properly created AVCHD image. Decompress the file. This image plays PERFECTLY on a PS3 with firmware 2.35.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/a0p609

2. Download and install ImgBurn. You may also choose to use different software (Nero or other), if it is compatible with .nrg images.
http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
They don't allow direct linking, so please grab the file from one of the listed mirrors.

3. Once you launch the tool, select the icon in the top left, named "Write Image File to Disc"

4. By "Source", click the icon of the folder with a magnifying glass, and browse to the extracted AVCHD.nrg file.

5. Put a blank DVD into the device you wish to write with.

6. Make sure the DVD Recording device that you wish to write to is selected in the "Destination" drop down box.

7. Select the "File" menu up top, and choose, "Write".

8. When the writing is complete there will be a message box from ImgBurn stating it is finished. Simply click on the OK button.

9. Pop disc into your player. If your system is compatible with the process described in the next post, you are all set to author your own Blu-Ray discs, using cheap DVD-R media.

This image is a 30 second video of an MPEG-2 720p feed, digitally extracted from a cablebox. The video was not recompressed or altered in any way, other than to place it in an AVCHD container.

Reported Compatibility for Following Players:
Panasonic DMP-BD10: Success
Panasonic DMP-BD30 v1.3: Success
PS3 firmware 2.35: Success
Samsung BDP-1400: Success
Samsung BDP-1500: Success
Sony BDP-300: Success

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.
See if this can help: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141348

I have a sony HD-3 HiDef cam, and would like to convert the tapes to AVCHD and burn to a dual layer DVD to view in a bluray player. Could some one suggest me a good software for this task, and please be a bit specific, i.e., sony vegas has so many version (pro vs movie). I am looking for PQ, as close to the source as possible, nothing fancy. instruction & tips would be much appreciate. My apologies for being so novice, and thank you all...

Hi Gumbo chief :)

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400) where is teh guide on how to create such files i.e. from mkv files. Can you point me to one ?

Thanks,
N.

Sorry. I don't use mkv, so I don't know.

Tom,

Vegas Pro 8.0b had AVCHD template with DD 5.1 surround audio. You had to choose Sony AVC template, not MainConcept. The problem was that 8.0b only had template for 1440x1080. Now 8.0c added 1920x1080 AVCHD template.


Yes, you can. Here is what Nero tells me at the final screen before compiling project:

Audio format:Automatic
Sample format:Automatic
Encoding mode:Fast Encoding (1-Pass)
Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic

Number of titles: 1
1. Gang-V (Video Title, 0h 03m 28s)
- Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %
- Video SmartEncoding ratio: 100.0 %

Video disc menu: Title and chapter menus

So, AVCHD file generated by Vegas 8.0c using Sony AVCHD template works perfectly with Nero Vision without re-encoding when you have SmartEncoding enabled in Nero Vision.

It's not working for me for the new Vegas 8.0(c) Sony AVC output for 1920x1080 AVCHD 5.1. Nero shows the above SmartEncoding ratios 100% for the audio and video, but when the disk auto-plays I get the full audio but the screen remains black. Could this be because I chose the option for no menu?

Edit: If I include a title menu, the disk boots to that menu, but upon pressing play the screen goes black (on the PS3) while the audio plays normally.

If this works on my player (which is Samsung 1400)

Properly created AVCHD DVDs *do* work on Sammy 1400. I use Nero 8 to create them from AVC off my HD camcorder. There is no transcoding.

Using the same AVC 1920x1080i60 DD5.1 source file from Vegas Pro 8.0(c) that Nero Vision fails with, gives perfect playback when authored with Ulead MF6+ HD Pack.

MF6+ passes the native AVC file without re-encoding it, and creates a menu structure that plays on the PS3. Nice.

There are several negatives to the AVCHD format for MF6+...no motion menus, won't author to folders, won't play from DVD+RW.

There are several negatives to the AVCHD format for MF6+...no motion menus, won't author to folders, won't play from DVD+RW.
Tom,

I have MF6+ and I can play AVCHD project burned to DVD+RW on PS3 with no problem.

I also have trial version of MF7 Pro. It can author AVCHD project to hard disk folders.

You can get trial version of MF7 Pro here:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab1

Also, I like MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better that SonyAVC encoder from Vegas 8.

Tom,

I have MF6+ and I can play AVCHD project burned to DVD+RW on PS3 with no problem.

I also have trial version of MF7 Pro. It can author AVCHD project to hard disk folders.

You can get trial version of MF7 Pro here:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/au/en/Product/1173965700889#versionTabview=tab1

Also, I like MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better that SonyAVC encoder from Vegas 8.

Maybe the +RW problem was an abberration. If you like the MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better than the SonyAVC encoder, that's a good recommendation. Why is it better? Can it encode higher bit rates? Can MF7 Pro do motion menus on AVCHD?

Maybe the +RW problem was an abberration. If you like the MF7 Pro AVCHD encoder better than the SonyAVC encoder, that's a good recommendation. Why is it better? Can it encode higher bit rates? Can MF7 Pro do motion menus on AVCHD?

SonyAVC (AVCHD) encoder can go only up to 15 Mbps for 1440x1080 and 16 Mbps for 1920x1080,

MF7 (and MF6+) can go up to 18 Mbps for either when you choose AVCHD project, and can go up to 20 Mbps when you choose Blu-ray project.

I encoded one of my HDV 40 minutes video file using SonyAVC encoder in Vegas 8.

First problem was that I couldn't play it with MPC (MediaPlayerClassic) on my computer. I could only play it with Newo ShowTime.

Then I burned .m2ts file to BD-RE, then copied to PS3 hard drive in order to check out quality on my Mitsubishi 73" DLP. Somewhere half way through the video it began stuttering, video and audio went out of sync, then it completely stopped. I couldn't FF or REW. The only functional button was red circle to go back to XMB.

It was very disappointing. Some people on Sony Vegas forum have problems with SonyAVC encoder.

Then I encoded the same file with MF7 Pro, and I was surprised with the quality. I was able to play it on my PC with MPC. And it played perfectly on PS3 hard drive via XMB.

My boss at work suppose to order MF7 Pro for me. We'll see if I can get it because looks like Corel pooled out the web page where you could order it in USD. Now it is only available in AUS dollars.

You can see it here:

http://store.corel.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=98644&catalogId=13353&storeId=10302&langId=137

Last week it had four options and upgrade from MF6+ was $49.99 boxed version.

I downloaded MF7 Pro, but for AVCHD it's not much improved over MF6+ because it still doesn't do motion menus for AVCHD, still the same encoder as before. It has some new text placement features, and you can author AVCHD to folders with it.

I couldn't find much that I considered an improvement with MF7Pro, other than not needing to buy the HD pack like with 6. For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

Thanks. I downloaded meGUI/x264 yesterday, and will give it a whirl and let you know. Quality seems good to you?

Download link (http://www.smlabs.net/tsMuxer/tsMuxeR_1.8.8(b).zip) ... No idea what the changes are though. But, encouraging to see Roman still updating this tool.

For encoding/transcoding I know meGUI/x264 is capable of creating compliant AVC streams that authoring programs will pass-through without further transcoding, but for some reason when I tried doing some encoding myself using the default settings I was getting transcoding with TotalMedia.

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

Dont know if the result would be "compliant", but I use ripbot264, and I love it.

Holy Smokes, how long will it take me to learn meGUI/x264? It uses AVIsynth, I can't even figure out how to give it a source file. What a beast of a program.

MeGUI has a tools section with an AVS script creator and a bitrate calculator, which helps a lot.

I usually use RipBot264 from Doom9.org forum as it is easier and it does a better job of calculating the correct bitrate, which is tricky with the m2ts file structure. I sometimes have A/V sync issues which I correct with tsMuxeR.

Mike T

I have a 1.2 gig 640x480 mpeg2 file. File came off of my cable box, and I am rather certain it is DVD "compliant"

Does anyone know what program I can use to make a video DVD, and not re-encode the video?

Nero-Vision, wants to re-encode to a 3.2 gig file, and I would rather avoid this.
Can anyone suggest a program that will do what I need?

A tsmuxer type program that will create a DVD file structure (vobs) for SD video (without re-encode)?

Actually, it might not be 640x480
windows mediaplayer says it is 640x480, but videoredo says it is 528x480
HDTV2DVD also says the file is 528x480

As I mentioned, the file was direct captured from my cablebox via firewire.
I have a 1.2 gig 640x480 mpeg2 file. File came off of my cable box, and I am rather certain it is DVD "compliant"

Does anyone know what program I can use to make a video DVD, and not re-encode the video?

Nero-Vision, wants to re-encode to a 3.2 gig file, and I would rather avoid this.
Can anyone suggest a program that will do what I need?

A tsmuxer type program that will create a DVD file structure (vobs) for SD video (without re-encode)?

OK. My messages can be ignored. On wikipedia, I found the allowed DVD resolutions, and my video does not match up. When I use HDTV2DVD, it creates a 720x480 output (which is on the list of allowed resolutions)

At 29.97 or 23.976 fps (usually used in regions where NTSC is standard):
720 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called full D1)
704 × 480 pixels MPEG-2
352 × 480 pixels MPEG-2 (Called Half-D1, same as the China Video Disc standard)
352 × 240 pixels MPEG-2

hi all.

this may have been answered, but after 20 pages, my brain is starting to leak out....so please bear with me....

i have a 1gb m2ts file with truehd and dtshd audio tracks. i was able to create the blu-ray folder structures using tsremux. (bypass audio alignment was unchecked and blu-ray trueHD to AC3/DTS HD to DTS was checked. I kept the video and both audio tracks.)
I burned it to a dvd with ImgBurn using UDF2.50.

Playing it on my HTPC with PowerDVD 8 Ultra, on a dvdrw and bdrom drive, it plays perfectly. but on the ps3, it starts out ok, but audio starts going out and the video is very jerky. pausing then playing again may make it ok again for another 5 seconds, but it happens again. the video is about 90 secs long and most of it is like that.

any tips? tia

About 18 months ago, I started a thread asking what was the best way to put HD content onto a playable disc. At the time, it seemed that the methods and formats were not very well established, so I set it aside.

Recently, I bought a BluRay burner, and for the past several weeks I've been trying to successfully burn a playable BD from a TS file on my hard drive. The Cyberlink software that came with the drive failed consistently.

So after doing some reading in this and other threads, I downloaded TSMuxer and ImgBurn. Using those tools, I've successfully burned a BD that plays just fine. But that got started thinking about my earlier quest to do the same thing with, say, DVD rather than BD. So I did some experimenting.

I created a BluRay structure using TSMuxer and then used ImgBurn to put it onto a standard dual-layer DVD (subject to capacity limitations, obviously). I found that it played just fine in my PS3. And then I was delighted to find that it even played in my sister's old Samsung 1200 player. I assume that it will play on other bluray players as well.

Undoubtedly, most here are already well aware of this, but for me it was a wonderful discovery. I can use some simple and free software to create both BluRay discs and regular DVDs in BluRay format.

Still, I see lots of people here talking about lots of different software and techniques for storing HD content. So my question is this: If I can do this simply and effectively with just TXMuxer and ImgBurn, what capabilities am I missing? There must be a good reason that others are buying and using so many other tools. What are the limitations of this combo that are working so well for me?

Well stated, well asked, and I agree. And the only answer I can think of is blu-ray authoring. I too have had 100% success w/ TSMuxer and IMGBurn - I've also had 100% success with Pinnacle Studio 12 for authoring. If the answer isn't authoring, then I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that most of the folks don't have blu-ray burners and trying to get the process to work on a DVD burner? In fact, if I remember correctly, Pinnacle asks you what disk to burn it to, DVD being a choice, and will size and format appropriately.

I've had a blu-ray burner for about 8 months now, and have 2 BD-RE's and everything works perfectly. So perfect, that now I'm inclined to go buy a couple of BDs for the home kid movie authoring and stow them away.

Still, I see lots of people here talking about lots of different software and techniques for storing HD content. So my question is this: If I can do this simply and effectively with just TXMuxer and ImgBurn, what capabilities am I missing? There must be a good reason that others are buying and using so many other tools. What are the limitations of this combo that are working so well for me?
The only two things I can think of are [2] creating a menu & [2] having multiple/separate clips. If you don't need either, TSMuxer/TSRemux & ImgBurn do just fine.

Here's an easy way to create an AVCHD disc w/multiple clips & a generated menu (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1184425). If you want custom menus, just read a few pages back of this thread. Or, here's one way (works w/MPEG2 or AVCHD clips) (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1119634#post1119634).

The only two things I can think of are [2] creating a menu & [2] having multiple/separate clips. If you don't need it, TSMuxer/TSRemux & ImgBurn do just fine.

OK, those would definitely be nice to have, though not critical for my purposes (at present anyway). I'm just happy to be able to easily save and replay this content without having to keep it on my hard drive.

I've had a blu-ray burner for about 8 months now, and have 2 BD-RE's and everything works perfectly. So perfect, that now I'm inclined to go buy a couple of BDs for the home kid movie authoring and stow them away.

Yes, my first purchase was a BD-RE for test purposes. No way am I willing to make a bunch of expensive coasters! But I did buy some $5 BD blanks from shop4tech.com. They seem to work fine.

Thanks to you both for your replies.

Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.

So I have this TS file that I want to put on a disc. But the audio level (as originally broadcast) is very low. I know how to demux the TS file, but what software can I use to work with the AC3 audio.

Normally, I'd use Adobe Audition, but it doesn't appear to have the ability to rewrite the AC3 stream. It'll read it, but not write it. Any other reasonable alternatives?

Alternatively, can I remux the TS file using PCM rather than AC3? This is 2.0 audio anyway, so that wouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not sure how to go about it.

To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic317891.html) at videohelp.com & at this tool (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3filter/).

Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.
the blaze blanks, what player have you tried them in?

On my PS3, Samsung BD-P1500 (not the latest firmware), LG BH200 (also not the latest firmware), and LG HD DVD/BD combo DVD writer.

I haven't updated the firmware on my Samsung BD-P1500 & LG BH200 as the latest firmware for both are known to cause issues for AVCHD &/or BD-R/RE playback.

I'm trying to burn 1920x1080 hdv (mpeg-2 video) from a jvc everio hd camcorder onto a dvd-rw disc for playback on a sony bdp s350 blu ray. I'm able to create a playable disc when I first convert the video to avchd. This method is rather time-consuming due to the video format conversion and I'd prefer to burn the mpeg-2 format video directly. I tried using the tsMuxeR tool to create a blu-ray directory structure and then burn it to a dvd with udf2.5 format, but the playback stuttered too much to be watchable. I then deleted the audio track in tsmuxer, recreated the dir structure, and reburnt the disc. Again, I got the stuttering. I'm thinking one of these might be the problem.
1) the original video file has problems
2) the sony mpeg decoder can't handle the bit rate and is dropping frames
3) the sony blu ray dvd drive can't read the data fast enough from the disc

Has anyone had success in burning mpeg files (TOD files) from a jvc hd camcorder onto a dvd for playback in high-def on a blu ray player?

To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic317891.html) at videohelp.com & at this tool (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3filter/).
Thanks for this info. It may be a few days before I'm able to dig into it, but I'll definitely make use of it.

I'm trying to burn 1920x1080 hdv (mpeg-2 video) from a jvc everio hd camcorder onto a dvd-rw disc for playback on a sony bdp s350 blu ray. I'm able to create a playable disc when I first convert the video to avchd. This method is rather time-consuming due to the video format conversion and I'd prefer to burn the mpeg-2 format video directly. I tried using the tsMuxeR tool to create a blu-ray directory structure and then burn it to a dvd with udf2.5 format, but the playback stuttered too much to be watchable. I then deleted the audio track in tsmuxer, recreated the dir structure, and reburnt the disc. Again, I got the stuttering. I'm thinking one of these might be the problem.
1) the original video file has problems
2) the sony mpeg decoder can't handle the bit rate and is dropping frames
3) the sony blu ray dvd drive can't read the data fast enough from the disc

Has anyone had success in burning mpeg files (TOD files) from a jvc hd camcorder onto a dvd for playback in high-def on a blu ray player?

First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.

Thanks, I guess I'll need to run my computer overnight to convert to AVCHD (dual-core amd, 2.8ghz). BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.



First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.

BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.

Thanks for clarifying that. It was occurring to me, that the JVC might have a 1920x1080 mpeg2 mode (which is great!), but...it's not HDV.

But moreover, if you would like confirmation on the root of the problem, pm me and I'll send you a mpeg-2 1920x1080 red laser DVD5/9 disk. If it doesn't play, it will confirm it's your player. If it does play, it will confirm the problem is with your authoring/burning step.

I've made BD from mpeg2 transport files with tsmuxer but I tried a transport file that was encoded h.264 and the audio is way out of sync did I do something wrong do I need to change settings or is h.264 the problem?
thanks

Wondering if I could get some help from you fine folks, using MeGUI to convert trailer to 1920,1080 resolution, here is results from rawmedia info:

General #0
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\Perry\My Documents\Downloads\Quantum of Solace 1080P Trailer\quantumofsolace-tlr2_h1080p-muxed.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 676 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 38.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-10-25 05:37:25
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Family : AVC
Codec/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Codec settings, CABAC : Yes
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 36.6 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 39.5 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Writing library : x264 - core 65 r998M 6768543
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=39506 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=8 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=38000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

Hi guys
I've tried asking this elsewhere but had no favourable repsonses yet.
I've been archiving some of my fav .ts movies onto Bluray with great results, using TSmuxer and IMGburn.
However I am really struggling with some.
When I load a .ts into TSmuxer to build a BD it shows me the file info. If the audio delay is 0 then the resulting BD is perfect and plays on my PS3 and my BD30, however if the audio delay shows anything other than 0 then the resulting BD wont play, it simply stutters along.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance :)

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

Did you burn UDF 2.5?

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My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance :)

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Any ideas?

Have you tried the default Standalone-Blu-ray settings? I can tell the video settings aren't the same because ref is different. If I use the Sandalone-AVC-HD settings for example my player (not the same player) will play the x264 encoded video as AVCHD. Of course another question I would have would be, can your player play other custom video? Up the page Brajesh mentions issues depending on firmware of the player, which in that case a tread for the player might have more information.

I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

The entire process has worked well going from camera to final disk.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.

Does anyone know how to keep the final edited image the same as the original? Do I have to record an actual blu-ray disk to get the proper quality?

Thanks for any help.

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?
Did you upgrade to 2.0 firmware? Appears it's a known issue w/AVCHD & BD-R/REs. I'm sticking w/1.3 firmware until Sammy corrects the issue w/the next firmware. Fingers crossed.

Hi guys
I've tried asking this elsewhere but had no favourable repsonses yet.
I've been archiving some of my fav .ts movies onto Bluray with great results, using TSmuxer and IMGburn.
However I am really struggling with some.
When I load a .ts into TSmuxer to build a BD it shows me the file info. If the audio delay is 0 then the resulting BD is perfect and plays on my PS3 and my BD30, however if the audio delay shows anything other than 0 then the resulting BD wont play, it simply stutters along.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance :)

Whats ur version on tsmuxer?
and another thing tsmuxer had a bug w/the true-hd
for example the movie is 24gb and i wanna cut and mux with 23.gb to fit on to bd-r .it doesn't split the clip the rightway which leads to audio out of sync even when u remux with tsmuxer or /and tsremuxer
in conclude we are all waiting for smartlabs to fix it in upcoming version

So I've made a bunch of backup BD-Rs over the last few months after having discovered this thread. Kudos to you guys for all the info. I discovered last night that my S350 with the latest firmware will not play back some of my BD-Rs, even some that it played fine before. I'm sure it's not the discs, they play fine in my LG burner and in my Samsung 1400. Everything seems to be hit and miss in my S350 though. Anyone else experiecing the same? The last firmware update I did to the S350 was to enable the BD Live update at the end of last month.

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Thanks for the reply Tom, I'll give that a bash tomorrow and report the results :)

Wondered if someone could offer some insight as to what I am doing wrong. I burned a .MKV file last night to a DVD-DL disc using ImgBurn and tsmuxer. I followed instructions shown on YouTube and received no errors.

When I played the disc in my Sony BDP-S350 it looks completely messed up. The image is doubled (like a ghost effect). There is a vertical line right down the middle of the screen and the picture looks stretched as well.

Is there something I am doing wrong? Has anyone ever experienced this before?

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Hey Tom. I still can't get menus yet to work on my Panny BDP-30.

How is the Pinnicle 12 working out for you? Can it make compliant Menus work for AVCHD on you BR players?

Thanks.
T.

Hi T!

I've not used Pinnacle. I dabbled with Nero Vision, and got compliant menus but it would not smart render my AVC h.264 videos. I also got compliant menus with the new MovieFactory. Although it passed my video without rendering (nice), unfortunately the menus did not have the full motion and sliders (with AVCHD) the Nero Vision product has. No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

For now, I still prefer the ubiquitous TSmuxeR, because it does the best job with native videos from the XDCAM-EX 1920x1080 24p, just without menus.

No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.

I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.


I don't know much about cameras, but generally I would figure if you're having issues with the video playback then trying to go from the camera to disk without transcoding would be the main thing to try to do. That 4 hour time sounds like the video is being converted to me. Either that or you'll want to look at how the video is being converted. It looks like the camera must do a lot of modes, so I figure it would probably be possible to find a mode that wouldn't need to be converted by the software.

TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.

Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.

Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

Yeah... I wasn't talking cameras. I'm not sure I'd necessarily refer to that sort of storage as 24p. I just think of 24p as a 1920x1080 progressive video stream with a 24/1.001 frame rate, like most Blu-rays apparently use (of course with AACS). Anyway I figured there would be ways to process the sort of video you mention and make it a true 24p stream from some of the items I've read in http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/, but come to think of it that was probably mpeg2 cameras and things are probably still rather expensive to do that sort of processing on video from an AVCHD camera.

AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.

I use the term AVCHD to refer to the format that some Blu-ray players will play, but the same term is also used to refer to cameras so I suppose there was probably some confusion there.

While Nero and the Ulead/Corel products I've tried have certainly been unable to do anything 1920x1080 besides interlaced, the actual AVCHD format clearly supports true 24p video http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html As far as how consumer cameras package things I'm not sure what they do with video because it's not really in line with my own interests. As far as AVCHD and BDMV playback and authoring with with TotalMedia goes, true 24p seems possible. Mediainfo reports the video as 24p like encoded, and my TV goes to a 24p mode when the player outputs native.

PROCESS FOR 24P FOR THE DISKS:
1) Encode video using MeGUI
- AVS file has framerate set to 23.976
- The standalone AVC HD settings file is selected
- The output option for the video is set to 264, instead of default mp4
2) Mux to .ts using tsMuxer
3) Import video into TotalMedia to create AVCHD or BDMV

Step 1 can seemingly be replaced by using RipBot264, and setting the framerate and output type, but I'm not sure the maximum video rates are set to AVCHD maximums like in the MeGUI "AVC HD" standalone selection.
Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.

Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.


Okay...very compelling. Sounds like native 24p to me. No doubt about it if your TV is switching to 24p mode. But do you think the 24p capability is TotalMedia, or TSmuxeR?

This is just me, but I would not trade away discrete 5.1 audio to have menus. Right now, using TSmuxeR alone, I get some pretty great video and audio from the Sony XDCAM, 1080/24p 35/mbps VBR mpeg-2, and 5.1 discrete channels at 640/kbps.

I score the soundtrack with royalty-free music from Smartsound, using the Sonicfire Pro editor. It outputs typically 8 or more discrete tracks as .wav files. Sony Vegas Pro has beautiful pan controls for placing the tracks into a 5.1 mix with LFE channel, filters, etc. So the audio is very important to me.

It is possible to transcode it to AVC h.264 of course, but with a small loss in quality.

But do you think the 24p capability is TotalMedia, or TSmuxeR?

Step 2 is just a compatibility item, tsMuxer is just packaging the stream. I know that if the steam is packaged as ts/m2ts then TotalMedia will pass a compliant video stream. There was another way that I could get the video to pass through without tsmuxer, but I'm not sure what I was doing because I didn't write it down. It's just the same as when I was using the Ulead/Corel software I noticed that if the video stream is packaged in different ways it can determine if the software transcodes.

This is just me, but I would not trade away discrete 5.1 audio to have menus.

My opinion is that all the relatively inexpensive software I've tried still has one drawback or other. In the video department TotalMedia is the only commercial software that I've seen pass anything full resolution besides interlaced video for AVCHD with menus, so if they ever would match their competitors in being able to pass audio it would be my clear choice for AVCHD & BDMV.

Wondered if someone could offer some insight as to what I am doing wrong. I burned a .MKV file last night to a DVD-DL disc using ImgBurn and tsmuxer. I followed instructions shown on YouTube and received no errors.

When I played the disc in my Sony BDP-S350 it looks completely messed up. The image is doubled (like a ghost effect). There is a vertical line right down the middle of the screen and the picture looks stretched as well.

Is there something I am doing wrong? Has anyone ever experienced this before?

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Anyone? The MKV file plays just fine in QuickTime Pro or VLC - it just doesn't work when burned to a DVD-DL. Help!

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Anyone? The MKV file plays just fine in QuickTime Pro or VLC - it just doesn't work when burned to a DVD-DL. Help!

Check out this thread, it may help:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134348

I'm new to blu-ray burning, I tried Tsmuxer with imgburn and the movie which was a mpeg-2 1080i transport stream played great but when i skipped ahead on the chapters the picture froze and the audio played fine after 10 seconds or so the picture caught up
and then played fine did i set something wrong or is this common?

I'm new to blu-ray burning, I tried Tsmuxer with imgburn and the movie which was a mpeg-2 1080i transport stream played great but when i skipped ahead on the chapters the picture froze and the audio played fine after 10 seconds or so the picture caught up
and then played fine did i set something wrong or is this common?

dargo,

Was it .ts file from cable box?
Did you burn it to DVD-+R/RW or BD-R/RE?
What did you use to play it: stand alone, PS3, PC?

Many times .ts files from cable box have glitches and other problems. I always run my .ts files through MPEG2Repair (free), and then through VideoReDO ($50). VideoReDo is very good at fixing problems in .ts files. Then I use tsMuxeR to re-mux .ts file into .m2ts or into Blu-ray structure.

I archived a bunch of videos onto DVD+R/RW disks using tsMuxeR and Blu-ray disk option. I burned those disks mostly with Nero 8 with UDF 2.50. When I play those disks in PS3 and press NEXT on remote to skip to the next chapter, my PS3 is freezing sometimes for several seconds, and then starts playing again from that next chapter. But I don't have anything like you described.

dargo,

Was it .ts file from cable box?
Did you burn it to DVD-+R/RW or BD-R/RE?
What did you use to play it: stand alone, PS3, PC?

Many times .ts files from cable box have glitches and other problems. I always run my .ts files through MPEG2Repair (free), and then through VideoReDO ($50). VideoReDo is very good at fixing problems in .ts files. Then I use tsMuxeR to re-mux .ts file into .m2ts or into Blu-ray structure.

I archived a bunch of videos onto DVD+R/RW disks using tsMuxeR and Blu-ray disk option. I burned those disks mostly with Nero 8 with UDF 2.50. When I play those disks in PS3 and press NEXT on remote to skip to the next chapter, my PS3 is freezing sometimes for several seconds, and then starts playing again from that next chapter. But I don't have anything like you described.
I burn to BD-R playing on a Samsung 1400 I use video redo as well as MPEG2repair
have never had a issue with dvd's and sounds like you get the same thing advancing to the next chapter causes the video to freeze, wondering if authoring with dvdit HD pro would elimanate the problem? costs $300 may have no choice to get a really good BD
burn that does not freeze

sounds like you get the same thing advancing to the next chapter causes the video to freeze

Well, in my case it doesn't happen with every chapter. It happens with some chapters, and, as far as I remember, mostly on DVD+R DL disks. It doesn't happen on DVD+RW disks. I will double check when I get home.

With BD-RE disks I didn't have that problem at all. I used Ulead DMF6+ to author BDMV project and burned with Nero.

dargo,

Looks like there is a fix for chapter problems. I found this on Doom9 forum:

There is a fix out right now for the seeking issues with the PS3, it's a separate application that fixes the clpi file in the Blu-ray structure. It can be found in this thread, it called fixclpi.exe, there is also a gui. It works very well.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1211389#post1211389

I found the files and attached zip to my post.

I didn't try it yet. I will report when I do that.

EDIT:

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

I can't wait to try this...

I can't wait to try this...

just upgraded to power producer 5 and great
no lag when searching chapters now if I can
learn the rest of the programe so I can make
cool menus will be happy camper

I applied the fix and burned BDMV structure to DVD+RW. Now PS3 skips back and forth between chapters instantly. Great!

Ditto. This is nice. Seems like fast forward and reverse got smoother as well.

I am having a problem burning a blu-ray disk with Nero 9. I can burn a short disk (12 GB)with no problems. But when I try to burn a longer disk (40GB), Nero just shuts down after about 3 days. I am not present when it shuts down so I don't know what happened. Anybody have a similar problem?

I am having a problem burning a blu-ray disk with Nero 9. I can burn a short disk (12 GB)with no problems. But when I try to burn a longer disk (40GB), Nero just shuts down after about 3 days. I am not present when it shuts down so I don't know what happened. Anybody have a similar problem?

Check out these links:

Do NOT purchase the new Nero 9:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=624089&Replies=2

Installation issues with Nero software:
http://forum.my.nero.com/index.php?showforum=12

Nero is "bloatware?"

Psst...I couldn't have put it more succinctly. Glad to find out I'm not the only one. I think it is intrusive and hijackful as well. Never again.

I have Nero 8 and I don't have any problems. I do custom install and some other tips. So, here it goes.

Custom Installation of Nero 8

Select Custom Install.
Uncheck check box for browser toolbar plug-in (whatever its name is).
Select Nero Burning Rom and any other application you need (I also use Nero Vision and Nero ShowTime).
Install Nero.

At the end of installation you get window with several tabs, one of those is for video files association, and one for audio files. Unselect all for video and audio, so Nero won’t hijack your Windows files associations. Finish installation.

Now, here are some tips on how to clean up your computer from Nero pests.

I use utility called Startup Control Panel that I use to edit registry without going to REGEDIT.

Start StartupControlPanel and delete NeroFilterCheck entry, which located in HKLM/Run registry key tab.

Go to Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Services, and disable NMIndexingService.

Using Windows Explorer click on Program Files, click search, and type NM*.exe. Search will find a bunch of files that start with NM in file name:

NMBgMonitor.exe
NMFirstStart.exe
NMIndexingService.exe
NMIndexStoreSvr.exe
NMTVRecorder.exe
NMTvWizard.exe

Rename those files. I usually replace last e with _ (underscore) in the file extension.

Next, go to Start/All Programs/Nero 8/Nero Toolkit/ and click on "Nero Control Center". In Nero Control Center, click on the Update icon (Green arrow). Uncheck "Check for updates every: " box. Click "OK" button.

You can also disable key checking if you want. Look for a file named NeroPatentActivation.exe The path to that file can be found here: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Shared\NL3\NeroPatentActivation.exe. You need to either delete this file or rename it. If you decide to rename it, rename it something like this: NeroPatentActivation.exe.bak

And this is how you can Un-install NeroScout from your computer permanently:

Click Start, Run and type this:

regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Nero\Lib\MediaLibraryNSE.dll"

Enjoy your Nero without bloatware.

You can also run msconfig.exe and selectively disable the nerofiltercheck, and other bloatware, so that it just bypasses all of it on startup.

When you boot, you'll get a nag screen that windows has blocked some startup programs, which you can make go away by right-clicking on it and choosing "exit."

There's a few things I like Nero for, the burning rom of course, but also the wav editor for audio is easy.

Forgive me for taking the opportunity to pounce on Nero, but I think I know what they are, and they suk. I also think it's "bugware" that doesn't get fixed before the next release that you have to pay for. At least that's what happened to me when version 9 came out about a week after I paid for version 8, and they want, I forget the exact amount but about $99 or so to upgrade to 9.

I have Vegas Pro 8.0(c), and I have Video Redo, and I have Movie Factory, and I have Nero, and maybe some others, but if I had to keep only ONE, the one that really does the most things with the most speed and simplicity, it's Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD. If you combine that with TSmuxeR and ImgBurn, I think you probably have the most versatile collection of toolsets for the minimalist for mpeg-2, including AC3 5.1, multiplex and demultiplexing streams, smart rendering, fast scrubbing timeline editor. Womble is really fast and easy. It's only 8 bit so you don't want to use it for color grading, but it has a nice library of transitions, a simple title editor, basic audio controls, a basic h.264 encoder, DVD authoring some useful utilities and more. It's only for mpeg, not AVCHD.

I'll shoot a 1920x1080/p24 video in Sony XDCAM 35 mbps VBR, use Vegas Pro to color grade, and mix a discrete 5.1 dolby digital audio track, export the the video and audio streams separately, but thereafter use Womble to finish the project, mux it all back together and get it ready for TSmuxeR.

Hey Everyone.

Has anyone tried the latest version of pinnacle to try and make menus work with AVCHD. I can get my Panasonic BDP-30 to play the AVCHD Disks but I can't get it play them if I use a menu.

Thanks.
T.

Has anyone tried the latest version of pinnacle to try and make menus work with AVCHD. I can get my Panasonic BDP-30 to play the AVCHD Disks but I can't get it play them if I use a menu.


I've never used the product because they don't offer a trial and generally these programs have too many little issues to blind buy in my opinion. When the program came out the reports were that it didn't do menus with AVCHD, only BDMV, but http://pinnacle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pinnacle.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=17983 says that it does menus now. I thought the Panasonic played AVCHD with menus, but there are too many players to keep track of what plays what anymore. Have you tried an AVCHD with menus from another product? The AVCHD in the link below was created with Arcsoft that you could try to determine if it's the player or software.

I have been using tsmuxer for some time now to burn HD OTA recordings (MPEG II) and HD-PVR recordings (MEPG IV) to blu-ray on DVD-DL. I use the blu-ray option in tsmuxer and then burn the folders it creates to DVD-DL using nero (udf 2.5).

I now have a blu-ray burner. I did the exact same thing but this time the resultant BDMV (on 25 GB blu-ray disk) does not play back. All I get is a black screen (on the PS3) and a pause/play flicker on top of a black screen with my Samsung BDP-1500. I've read throught he thread. Can anyone provide me any suggestions as to where I've gone wrong? I've read through the thread and can't seem to find an answer.

I have been using tsmuxer for some time now to burn HD OTA recordings (MPEG II) and HD-PVR recordings (MEPG IV) to blu-ray on DVD-DL. I use the blu-ray option in tsmuxer and then burn the folders it creates to DVD-DL using nero (udf 2.5).

I now have a blu-ray burner. I did the exact same thing but this time the resultant BDMV (on 25 GB blu-ray disk) does not play back. All I get is a black screen (on the PS3) and a pause/play flicker on top of a black screen with my Samsung BDP-1500. I've read throught he thread. Can anyone provide me any suggestions as to where I've gone wrong? I've read through the thread and can't seem to find an answer.

I'm very interested in how this turns out for you. I don't think TSmuXer is going to work because it's making an AVCHD wrapper. I'm reading about some rather abysmal player compatibility with BD-R/RE media, but the Samsung 1500 was one of the players that was working in the case I read about.

Do you have something else to try, maybe Corel Movie Factory?

Picked up a Sony BDSP350 player on Black Friday. It plays a hybrid DVD5 TSmuxeR authored disk fine for about a minute and a half, then chokes to a stuttering mess. I returned the player.

I would rename Blu-ray "PS3-Video" because that's the only reliable player for anything not authored on BD-ROM I've seen work. Disappointing.

Picked up a Sony BDSP350 player on Black Friday. It plays a hybrid DVD5 TSmuxeR authored disk fine for about a minute and a half, then chokes to a stuttering mess. I returned the player.

I would rename Blu-ray "PS3-Video" because that's the only reliable player for anything not authored on BD-ROM I've seen work. Disappointing.

What was the bitrate of your material? I have done a number hybrid DVDs that were successful. My Sony SP-300 will stutter if the audio rate is too high on DVDs like source material from my Sony HC1 camcorder. Often just changing the audio to Dolby solved the problem. With remuxed Aiptek A-HD+ AVCHD files there is no problem but those bitrates are low anyway. If the bitrates get too high then they probably need to be burned to a Blu-Ray disc which can keep up.

What was the bitrate of your material? I have done a number hybrid DVDs that were successful. My Sony SP-300 will stutter if the audio rate is too high on DVDs like source material from my Sony HC1 camcorder. Often just changing the audio to Dolby solved the problem. With remuxed Aiptek A-HD+ AVCHD files there is no problem but those bitrates are low anyway. If the bitrates get too high then they probably need to be burned to a Blu-Ray disc which can keep up.

Brian,
The bitrate was 25 mbps VBR mpeg-2 straight off the Sony Vegas Pro 8.0(c) Blu-ray disk template for native 1920 x 1080. I tried disks authored to both 60/i and 24/p. These are clips from Sony's pro division XDCAM-EX camcorder. The audio bitrate is 448 kbps, 48khz, 16 bit, Dolby Digital 5.1 surround.

I don't know for sure, but Steve Mullen who writes freelance articles about camcorders feels that to play high bitrate from red laser DVD5/9 media, the drive has to spin the disk at 2x speed. Apparently the PS3 can do this, and possibly the standalone players cannot.

You could be right about having to author on Blu-ray media for compatibility with the BDSP350, but successful BD-R and BD-RE playback in general is reported to be spotty as well for many other players.

If the PS3 can do it, I don't see why the capability is not extended to other makes and models.

I bought a Sylvania blu-ray player this past weekend. It plays prerecorded blu-ray disks fine, but my homemade "AVC-HD" disks written on blank DVDs don't play. My disks are written with the Nero7 in UDF2.5 mode, with files from tsMuxer and reMux. My disks seem to play just fine in Sony PS3 and stand alone players, but not in my Sylvania.

Anybody know a fix for this?

I bought a Sylvania blu-ray player this past weekend. It plays prerecorded blu-ray disks fine, but my homemade "AVC-HD" disks written on blank DVDs don't play. My disks are written with the Nero7 in UDF2.5 mode, with files from tsMuxer and reMux. My disks seem to play just fine in Sony PS3 and stand alone players, but not in my Sylvania.

Anybody know a fix for this?

Have you asked over in the Sylvania section?

This may be a limitation of the player, not a problem with the disc. Especially if they will play in the PS3.

Or just use the PS3... :D

Seggers

Picked up a Sony BDSP350 player on Black Friday. It plays a hybrid DVD5 TSmuxeR authored disk fine for about a minute and a half, then chokes to a stuttering mess. I returned the player.

My opinion is that Blu-ray really was not designed to provide for home-authored HD material. In fact, I think home-authoring likely goes against some copy protection and AACS fee intents of the format. In reading about the different BDMV versions it seems to me that home-authoring of HD video material is really not at all a primary intent of the Blu-ray format.

The only real HD home-authored support from DVD media provided within Blu-ray specs seems to be AVCHD, and of course not all players support that format. tsMuxer disks are not at all limited to AVCHD specs, so it's a mere guessing game of what an individual player might play from tsMuxer. In regards to bitrate, AVCHD (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html) limits DVD media to around 18Mbps and the x264 template uses 16500 for video. The PS3 plays many non-Blu-ray video formats, so it's really little surprise to me that the PS3 happens to play video that other Blu-ray players will not touch. My BDP-S1 happens to play BDMV from DVD, and I fully expect most any newer player I buy will not support everything my current player will play. All I expect a Blu-ray player to play is what it is specified to play, and HD mpeg2 on DVD media is really not within any specification I can find other than maybe BD-5/9. As far as I can tell BD-5/9 falls into the area involving AACS fees, which goes for over $1500 per title.

Find your receipt.

My opinion is that Blu-ray really was not designed to provide for home-authored HD material. In fact, I think home-authoring likely goes against some copy protection and AACS fee intents of the format. In reading about the different BDMV versions it seems to me that home-authoring of HD video material is really not at all a primary intent of the Blu-ray format.

The only real HD home-authored support from DVD media provided within Blu-ray specs seems to be AVCHD, and of course not all players support that format. tsMuxer disks are not at all limited to AVCHD specs, so it's a mere guessing game of what an individual player might play from tsMuxer. In regards to bitrate, AVCHD (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html) limits DVD media to around 18Mbps and the x264 template uses 16500 for video. The PS3 plays many non-Blu-ray video formats, so it's really little surprise to me that the PS3 happens to play video that other Blu-ray players will not touch. My BDP-S1 happens to play BDMV from DVD, and I fully expect most any newer player I buy will not support everything my current player will play. All I expect a Blu-ray player to play is what it is specified to play, and HD mpeg2 on DVD media is really not within any specification I can find other than maybe BD-5/9. As far as I can tell BD-5/9 falls into the area involving AACS fees, which goes for over $1500 per title.

I agree, yet the BDPS-350 did play the disk, both audio and video. It's just that it begins to stutter 30 seconds in. I did see the video work on a BDP-S1, so progress seems headed backwards with the newer models, exactly as you expected.

To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic317891.html) at videohelp.com & at this tool (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3filter/).
Have you ever actually used this software? Can you give me any guidance?

I finally found some time to work on this again - trying to raise the volume of the Dolby Digital track on a video that I want to burn to disc. But I'm finding the both the software and the related thread to be rather baffling. The software appears to be intended for some entirely different purpose, and the thread seems to contain a mix of information that spans several years - I can't figure out what's current or make any sense of how to use this tool to accomplish my goal. There are several other tools mentioned in the thread as well, and none of them appear particularly relevant to helping me solve my problem. And the AC3Filter tool that you reference seems to exist in a version today that has little to do with the material in the thread.

Maybe I'm just missing some basic concept, but I feel pretty dense here. Do you (Brajesh) or anyone else know how this is supposed to work?

Thanks to the people on this thread (and tsMuxer and Videoredo) I now have AVCHD discs burned on to DVD+R DL working perfectly on my Panny BD10a. Files are from MyHD Tuner card. My Steps:

1.) Use videoredo to edit .ts files. Output using "quick fix" option under tools. Set the output to .mpg file.

2.) Load the file in TsMuxer. Output as "Create Blu-ray Disc".

3.) Burn on Verbatim DVD+R DL discs using UDF 2.50 file system (Nero).

The origional files are 1920 X 1080i and 1280 X 720p MPEG2 .ts files...

Just to be technically correct you created a Blu-Ray disc on a regular DVD not an AVCHD disc. AVCHD is a compression standard or high profile h264. The Blu-Ray spec also includes MPEG-2 streams so that is why your disc worked. There are some early Blu-Ray discs using MPEG-2. At least with my Sony BPD-S300 I can even put either a remuxed MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 stream on a regular DVD data disk not UDF and it will play. The weird thing is even if it is a transport stream I have to change the extension to .MPG for it to play. To be clear the disc has to be created in UDF 2.5 only if you have a Blu-Ray disc structure. There is much more discussion on this earlier in this thread.

Some of this takes me back to the AVeL Linkplayer2 days and I should not have been surprised when looking around here I find Sigma Graphics has a hand in Blu-Ray development which they also provided the guts for the Linkplayer2. No wonder these players are setup a bit like the Linkplayer2. Were we Linkplayer2 people beta testers for BD prototypes? They seem to go off the market the same time that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD came on the market.

Just to be technically correct you created a Blu-Ray disc on a regular DVD not an AVCHD disc. AVCHD is a compression standard or high profile h264. The Blu-Ray spec also includes MPEG-2 streams so that is why your disc worked. There are some early Blu-Ray discs using MPEG-2. At least with my Sony BPD-S300 I can even put either a remuxed MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 stream on a regular DVD data disk not UDF and it will play. The weird thing is even if it is a transport stream I have to change the extension to .MPG for it to play. To be clear the disc has to be created in UDF 2.5 only if you have a Blu-Ray disc structure. There is much more discussion on this earlier in this thread.

Cool. Thanks for the info...BD9/BD5 Blu-ray Disc it is!

Cool. Thanks for the info...BD9/BD5 Blu-ray Disc it is!

Actually, to be very nit-picky, it's DVD5 (4.7Gb) and DVD9 (8.7GB). BDs are either 25 or 50Gb.

But what's some terminology amongst friends.....

Seggers

Actually, to be very nit-picky,

Seggers

Actually, BD9/BD5 term (spec) does exist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#BD9.2FBD5_Blu-ray_Disc

The BD9/BD5 format was originally proposed by Warner Home Video, as a cost-effective alternative to regular Blu-ray Discs.[89] It was adopted as part of the BD-ROM basic format, file system, and AV specifications. BD9/BD5 is similar to 3× DVD for HD DVD.

:)

where can i get mini bd-r dL

I hadn't looked at doom9 in a while, but I found this link today http://www.emedialive.com/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11425#ixp
Apparently there's been some new commercial authoring software released since the last time I looked.

The following is just background information for where the Steps to convert HDMV to AVCHD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15285018#post15285018) came from.


While waiting on some downloads I thought I would see if I could get any idea how the Blu-ray output for tsMuxer/TsRemux is any different than AVCHD or BDMV. From what I had read, TsRemux just took the Nero index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files, so it always surprised me that tsMuxer/TsRemux on DVD media generally seemed compatible with more players. I'm not sure how exactly the Nero files were generated from the online discussion, but unless it was somehow HDAV I figure it wouldn't really matter.

Looking at index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv (attached zip file) in a hex editor they're identical in tsMuxer and TsRemux as suspected. There are a couple differences in the other files, but for now I was trying to just look at the two main files that people had been replacing. Comparing the TsRemux files to the original Nero files shows that only the NV text and some numbers have changed. I figure NV stands for Nero Vision and the numbers were the current version at the time, considering the TsRemux revision has TR and the numbers are similar to the version when introduced.

Looking at my AVCHD and BDMV files from TotalMedia in comparison to the TsRemux files the common item seems to be that they all start with "INDX0100", except for the BDMV. The index.bdmv files all have adr. dec. 15 set to char. dec. 120, except for BDMV. Going by that I was starting to suspect that maybe I could try setting BDMV to reflect those changes.

A google search returned http://chrishatton.homeip.net/bdjforum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23#p418 The last post in the thread really caught my attention. Step 1 doesn't seem to apply because my stream file from TotalMedia didn't change with ps3bdfix. The very end of step 5 seems unnecessary because I think that's just version text that wouldn't matter. Still, steps 2-7 seem interesting.

"AVCHD-Patcher" in google returns what seems to be a chinese blog from the author. Running the 1.01 version seems to change adr. dec. 15 to char. dec. 148 (rather than 120), and it adds some information to the end of my BDMV's index.bdmv that looks to be very similar to the end of the TsRemux file. The 1.04 version likewise adds the data to the end of the file and changes adr. dec. 15 like the 1.01 version, but it says AVCHD-Patcher instead of the TR text previously mentioned.

What I'm hoping is that I can take my TotalMedia BDMV files, use AVCHD-Patcher on the index.bdmv, change INDX0100 in both files, replace the backup files, and get a DVD media disc with the compatability of tsMuxer with menus. I figure if it doesn't work, I might also change adr. dec. 15 to char. dec. 120 rather than 148 like AVCHD-Patcher is doing. I have zero idea if this will work with the PS3 and players like the Samsung 1500, but it would be really nice to have tsMuxer compatability on DVD with menus. For PS3 owners this might allow you to play HD mpeg2 with menus from DVD, without all the trouble of creating two disks like the previously posted guide.


EDIT: On further inspection it appears I was incorrect about adr. dec. 15, and apparently tsMuxer/TsRemux probably just took index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv from the Nero AVCHD output. Although tsMuxer does not conform to the AVCHD requirement of only using AVC video, it appears that tsMuxer just creates an output that uses base AVCHD files just like the PS3 reports. My point in commenting how tsMuxer creates its files is that the Wiki and doom9 report that tsMuxer/TsRemux create a true BD-5/9, which is most likely false. In my testing tsMuxer does not appear to be any more compatible than typical AVCHD.

For PS3 owners this might allow you to play HD mpeg2 with menus from DVD, without all the trouble of creating two disks like the previously posted guide.
Are you poking at my guide on page 38 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13065746#post13065746)? ;)

Now, on a serious note, I downloaded your zip file. But I am not sure what do I have to do. Can you provide specific directions what to do with your files to test with my PS3?

Thanks.

EDIT: It looks like AVCHD-Patcher 1.06 was changed to take care of steps 4 and 5.
EDIT2: The download at Wirepole's site doesn't seem to work anymore, but the files can be downloaded at http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/where-to-download-avchd-patcher-1-06-it-has-vanished-t370304.html

One use for converting HDMV to AVCHD is for example that it allows the PS3 to play HD mpeg2 video from DVD with menus. tsMuxer can also be used to play HD mpeg2 video as AVCHD from DVD, but tsMuxer doesn't easily allow for the sort of menus that can be created with programs like VideoStudio. The following are steps that seem to work for converting home-authored HDMV to AVCHD. You'll need AVCHD-Patcher (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://wirepole.spaces.live.com/%3F_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart%3Dblogview%26_c%3DBlogPart%26partq s%3Dcat%253dAVCHD-Patcher&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&history_state0=) (Download location (http://cid-8ea621696fd320b1.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/工具程式/AVCHD-Patcher)) and XVI32 (http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delphi/freeware/xvi32/xvi32.htm#download) (or another hex editor) to make the conversion.

1) Start with files in Blu-ray HDMV format. There are a number of commercial programs that can create HDMV with menus, and VideoStudio is one example. See The Authoritative Blu-ray Disc (BD) FAQ (http://www.emedialive.com/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11425#ixp) for a listing of other programs to create HDMV. From reports it seems very likely that BD-J will not work with this method.

2) Run AVCHD-Patcher, go to the /BDMV directory, and drag the index.bdmv file into the patcher. A new window will popup telling you the file has been patched. After you click ok the program will add AVCHD information to the file.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z109/alluringreality/patcher.png

3) Delete the index.bdmv.bak file created by the patcher. It's simply a backup of the original index.bdmv file that is not needed.

4) Run XVI32 and open the index.bdmv file that was changed. You need to edit INDX0200 to read INDX0100. To do this select the 2 in INDX0200 at the top right as shown in the image below. Type the number 1 and save the file.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z109/alluringreality/index.png

5) Now open MovieObject.bdmv from the same directory in XVI32. Similar to the last step, change MOBJ0200 to MOBJ100. Change the 2 shown in the image below to a 1, save the file.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z109/alluringreality/MO.png

6) Copy the revised index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files from /BDMV to /BDMV/BACKUP. You'll need to overwrite the files that are already in the backup directory.

7) Burn the /BDMV folder and sub-folders to a DVD using UDF 2.5 format. Step 4 from this guide (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/) shows how to set the disc format with ImgBurn (http://www.imgburn.com/) or Nero (http://www.nero.com/enu/downloads.html). AVCHD does not seem to include the /CERTIFICATE folder from HDMV, so I wouldn't include it. The only directories that seem to be in commercial AVCHD are:
/BDMV
/BDMV/BACKUP
/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF
/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/CLIPINF
/BDMV/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/STREAM



NOTES:
A) The AVCHD-Patcher program will not change anything if the file is already an AVCHD structure. tsMuxer for example creates an AVCHD file structure when the "Blu-ray" output setting is chosen.

B) Typical consumer software for creating HDMV appears to work fine, but Scenarist is known to default to setting a copy protection indicator (cpi) bit in the BDMV video. PS3bdfix101 can correct the video in the STREAMS directory if the BDMV was created by Scenarist with cpi on. For most programs that create BDMV you will never have to worry about cpi and PS3bdfix101 would make no changes to the video.

C) Steps 3 to 6 are not required for all players, but they're included to make the video more compatible.

D) The complete set of steps for converting HDMV to AVCHD seemed to play on the PS3, BDP-S1, BDP-S500, BDP-S550, BD30, BD35, BD55, BH200, and BD-P1500. The BDP-S550 and BD35 would not play the AVCHD if the hex editing from steps 4 and 5 was not included. The only player I tried that wouldn't play AVCHD was the BD-P2500, but the firmware might not have been current and I know many of the prior Samsungs before the BD-P1400 update were reported as unable to play AVCHD.

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It worked!

I used Ulead DMF6+ to author BDMV project using HDV MPEG2 file with AC3 audio. Used menus with animation, transitions, and all other bells and whistles. Then I performed all those steps. Burned to DVD+RW with Nero.

PS3 showed that it was AVCHD disk and played everything.

WOW!

The only difference was that when I loaded MovieObject.bdmv file into XVI32 hex editor it showed MOBJ0200 instead of INDX0200. But I changed 2 to 1 anyway.

WOW!

PS3 showed that it was AVCHD disk and played everything.

I tried the BDMV to AVCHD on the 10 different players at Circuit City. All 10 players worked exactly the same regardless if the disk was a true AVCHD output, tsMuxer, or BDMV converted to AVCHD. As far as I can tell this will probably work similar to tsMuxer in regards to what will play and what will not play. So like Tom Roper wrote about above, some players probably will not be able to play high-bitrate files with this method. Besides menus, one difference between this and using tsMuxer is that the program for creating BDMV will put more controls on what is allowable video and audio than tsMuxer does.

True AVCHD or TsRemux files appear to have CLIPINF set to HDMV0100 and PLAYLIST set to MPLS0100 for media, while this method and tsMuxer use HDMV0200 and MPLS0200. Based on testing it doesn't seem to matter how CLIPINF and PLAYLIST are set for media. This was commented about on doom9 that TsRemux was correct and tsMuxer was wrong in how CLIPINF and PLAYLIST are set for the media callout, but it doesn't appear to matter.


The only difference was that when I loaded MovieObject.bdmv file into XVI32 hex editor it showed MOBJ0200 instead of INDX0200. But I changed 2 to 1 anyway.

You are right, that should have read MOBJ. I've updated the post to read correctly.

So like Tom Roper wrote about above, some players probably will not be able to play high-bitrate files with this method. .
My PS3 handles HDV MPEG-2 file at 25 Mbs CBR from DVD disk without any problem.

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It worked!
WOW!

Yep!

Thanks alluringreality!

I used Sony DVD Architect 5.0 for one reason, besides TSmuxeR it's the only Blu-ray authoring application I own that passes through unmolested XDCAM-EX 1920x1080 24/p and AC3 5.1 448kbps without trying to re-encode it.

Using alluring's method, AVCHD Patcher and a hex editor, the DVD5 disk played with full menu functionality, and output as native 24p from the PS3.

I tried everything in the menus to break it, even FF and chapter stops are smooth, on the PS3 at least.

I used Sony DVD Architect 5.0 for one reason, besides TSmuxeR it's the only Blu-ray authoring application I own that passes through unmolested XDCAM-EX 1920x1080 24/p and AC3 5.1 448kbps without trying to re-encode it.

Good for you. DVDA says that HDV is not compliant with Blu-ray specs and must be re-encoded. Nero Vision does the same.

So, for me DMF6+ is the only option to author BDMV and "MPEG2-AVCHD" from HDV video without re-encoding.

Sorry I dont mean to interrupt. But I am putting a new htpc together and I came across this thread and read some of it but did not see if it is possible to create exact 1:1 copies including 7.1 Master Audio. If it is possible what software is the best.

Sorry I dont mean to interrupt. But I am putting a new htpc together and I came across this thread and read some of it but did not see if it is possible to create exact 1:1 copies including 7.1 Master Audio. If it is possible what software is the best.

Dude,

AVS doesn't allow chat about copying/pirating movies.

Seggers

There is nothing illegal about making back up copies of disc I own. I have a 5 year old that I gave my old 1080P lcd tv to and when the new OPPO blu-ray player comes out I will give her my old one but I dont want her touching the disc (I dont like finger prints or scratches on them, I'm funny like that) so if I could make back up copies for her I would prefer it.

There is nothing illegal about making back up copies of disc I own. I have a 5 year old that I gave my old 1080P lcd tv to and when the new OPPO blu-ray player comes out I will give her my old one but I dont want her touching the disc (I dont like finger prints or scratches on them, I'm funny like that) so if I could make back up copies for her I would prefer it.

Which is great, espeically if you would have mentioned it in the first place.

But talking about how to copy stuff is frowned apon here I believe.

Seggers

DVDA says that HDV is not compliant with Blu-ray specs and must be re-encoded.

Did you try demuxing? I noticed that an mpeg2 video file I had on my computer was recognized as non-compliant, but if I demuxed it to elementary streams the program would accept the exact same video as compliant. I'll figure you tried a plain video stream, but just asking.

I had sort of forgot about the Sony program until Tom mentioned it. I read it didn't do AVCHD, so I never looked at the trial when it came out. I was able to create an mpeg2 24p video disk with 24p menus, but I can't get the program to accept any AVC 24p video without recompressing. The only help I could find online said to use .avc from Vegas, but it looks like to use .avs in Vegas I would have to do something like http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtechbeta/videogetbmeth2.html#mozTocId201615 I just find it odd that I can get TotalMedia and MediaFactory to accept compliant AVC and I can't seem to get this much more expensive program to load any outside AVC. Anyway, if anyone knows a way to get DVD Architect to load video from x264 without transcoding I'd like to hear.

Did you try demuxing? I noticed that an mpeg2 video file I had on my computer was recognized as non-compliant, but if I demuxed it to elementary streams the program would accept the exact same video as compliant. I'll figure you tried a plain video stream, but just asking.

De-muxing, re-muxing didn't help. DVD Architect didn't actually say that video "was not compliant". It said that video had to be re-compressed. Nero Vision 5 (from Nero 8 package) does the same, wants to re-compress HDV MPEG-2 file. And this is because HDV MPEG-2 is High-1440 Level, and per Sony's DVDA specs MPEG-2 for Blu-ray must be just High Level.

Ulead's DMF6+ (and version 7) is less restrictive and doesn't re-encode HDV MPEG-2 video.

I would just observe, not demux and remux, just demux. Feed DVDA the elementary streams. You go into the ACTIONS table to select the companion AC3 or LPCM stream. I think this should work (easy for me to say) since I'm not using HDV as much, but you could try capturing some HDV footage directly into Vegas.

That said, I don't think there are compelling reasons to use DVDA for HDV over MF6+. You've got it working already with MF6+, so unless you sought some other reason to use it like native 24p, there's no reason DVDA gives you to not stick with MF6+.

It's just so strict about what it wants. I found that even if it says "No Recompress," it often will halt the progress with an error anyway. The Sony Support Forum says if that happens, try again but force a recompress. If that solves it, the stream was not compliant. I found that to be true. It doesn't like streams from Womble or VideoRedo.

What does seem to work 100%, is if you use the Sony products Vegas and DVDA end to end. With HDV I frowned on that because editing with Vegas meant a minimum of 1 render. But with the XDCAM, 1 render is requisite anyway to reduce the native bit rate. The Vegas/DVDA workflow thus becomes practical, and moreover beneficial for 24p.

Something to give DVDA kudos for is the speed with which it authors a project seems quite a bit faster to me than MF6+ or TMPGEnc DVD Author. It's been a reasonable learning curve with Vegas and DVDA, some frustrations with both for sure. For all the wasted time on the input side, it's nice to see some payback on the output side.

But all that misses the most important point, remiss to not mention it would all be useless if Alluringreality had not posted his remarkable recipe with AVCHD-Patcher and the hex editor. Great Work!

I read this forum carefully very long, but this is my first post here. I live in PAL country.
I must say that this forum is great and very interesting for me since I bought HV-30 and PS3. Before, I had (and I still have) GS-500, but with HDV started some problems and this forum solved many of them.
I watch SD and HD video on Panasonic 37 plasma. I must say that HV-30’s HD video is much better when propery recorded in good light conditions, but in low light (under the same conditions) it is not always the case, because GS-500 is much better in low light – for HV-30 to be better in low light you simply need 50-100 Lux more light.

MozartMan’s guide for making dummy AVCHD (with mpeg2 video) is really great, and alluringreality’s is even better (less complicate), and those guides work for me. But, I think that me (we ?) stil have some problems here.

When I first watched HD video from my HV-30 on PS3 it was dummy AVCHD (from MozartMan) and I saw some artifacts for which I thought they are from HDV format, from rolling shutter, from auto focus and exposition, and who knows from what else. In that moment I couldn’t watch m2t file properly from PS3’s HDD or DVD because PS3 hadn’t possibility to watch PAL 50 Hz data file like PAL – PS3 always transformed PAL data files to NTSC 60 Hz – and that looked even worse. But after new firmwares (now I have 2.52) PS3 can play PAL 50 Hz data file like PAL 50 Hz. And now I see that those artifacts disappeared or are much much smaller. What I want to say is that PS3 plays same data m2t files from HDD or DVD better than from dummy mpeg2 AVCHD. Dummy AVCHD looks great, but has some artifacts. Those artifacts are blinking or flashing on some parts of movies – especially on bright and thin white or silver objects. More precisely, they sometimes looks like live snakes which moves up and down (or left and right) on bright thin objects. I also tried real (not dummy) AVCHD from the same video and it also looks great, but it also has similar artifacts (and even worse) like dummy AVCHD. M2t transport stream files (and mpeg2 program stream files) played directly on PS3 (before or after processing in Vegas) from PS3’s HDD or DVD do not have those artifacts. Those artifacts are very small and only in some parts of video, but they exist – only carefully eye can see them, and me and my son see them. Now I am really in big dilemma – to watch better loking m2t files without menus on PS3 (and to wait for my first real Blu-Ray disc for menus) or to watch dummy AVCHD with some artifacts (but with menus).

My question is – does anybody see similar artifacts, and why are they here with dummy AVCHD (I said before, I live in PAL country, maybe NTSC people don’t see them) ?

seso

Seso, when I author NTSC HDV from a Canon XH-A1 or HV-10 onto a "dummy" AVCHD disk (we call em hybrids or DVD5/9), the playback at 60 hz looks identical to data playback from the PS3 hard drive. I'm viewing them on a 50 inch 1080p Pioneer Elite plasma. These would be 1080/60i disks authored with TSmuxeR or TSremux. I have looked at this closely. That's my experience. I don't doubt you could be seeing it differently in PAL land.

I have seen a difference in how 24p is handled from the PS3 hard drive versus a hybrid AVCHD disk. In that case, the AVCHD hybrid is better because it plays back from the PS3 at the native 24p rate, whereas from the internal hard drive it isn't as I recall. Anyway, 24p looks better from the AVCHD hybrid.

Tom and others.....unfortunately we in PAL lands with our camcoders are not very interested in 24p. PAL HV-30 has 25p mode, but video is also stored in interlaced container like 50i and it is recommended to render those footage like interlaced - but video looks like progressive. I like nice Vegas smartrendering feature and it will do smartrendering only with 50i HDV template. Smartrendering for me means – fast and without losses – and I change in video only what I really have to. Also, there is not official 1080 25p Blu-Ray specifications – there is only 1080 24p. I tried one Slideshow in 1080 25p and PS3 plays it very well, but it is not official format and I will make everything in official 1080 50i (Slideshow looks more and less the same but you need more time to render it). I have much experience with GS-500 with 25p and Cine mode (Panasonic call that all - Procinema) and I didn’t like them. I believe I will not like them on HV-30 also. Maybe for NTSC people will 24p be more interesting because you gain something in low light – like Camcoderinfo.com funny overly said for HV-20 that it is killer in low light – now I see it is certainly not killer but with 24p you have 1/48 shutter and it is really better than 1/60 in low light (maybe 1,5 to 3 db) – but for us in PAL countries we allways have nominal 1/50 and believe me I tried and we don’t gain anything visible with 25p in low light (with 1/50) shutter - and it is for me more or less the same sensibility like NTSC’s 1/48. NTSC people can sacrifice smooth picture for 1,5-3 dB less Gain in low light, but for me the only good recipe is more light – and I am prepared for that few years and I have two (total 60W) on camera battery lights and 2500W, 220V reflector lights with dimmers and stands.

As you can see, I like my GS-500 very much, it was really the camcoder that was very close to much bigger prosumer SD cams, with profi feeling and loook, with wonderful reach colours and great low light capabilities compared to today’s HD small cams – and I believe to camcoderinfo.com that HV-20 (10,30) is the best of them (but we should not believe them everything). I made some great movies with GS-500, and hope to do that with HV-30, but to do that you should know what it can to do. Later, when I bought HV-30, I have read somewhere that HD cams are inferior to SD cams in low light because of much more pixels – and I don’t know why is that but now I know it is the true. Anyway, I will use both cams and I will keep my GS-500, especially because now I don’t see lights and hope on horizon in Canon, Sony and others to make something much better in HD than HV series (same small and for the same money). HV-30 is also good, well it is HD, but I miss better handling, pivoting VF and better low light capabilities.

Why I am talking so much. Well, what I saw from people who looked at my movies, they liked movies but they also enjoyed in menus. And somethimes, I spent very much time on creating the interesting menus. This forum gave some great information about hybrid AVCHD with real menus. I don’t have BR burner yet. I even don’t need it yet – most of my films are shorter than 20 minutes. Most people in my county don’t have PS3 or other BR player yet, but I am preparing for the future to work everything easy and smooth like with SD. Some people from this forum gave great information for that.

My video from my previous message was taken in 50i and I like 50i, and artifacts which I saw to me really look maybe like deinterlacing problem (problems on thin shiny objects) – so, maybe there wouldn’t be artifacts if video was taken in 25p mode. Some people could think that PS3 is responsible for that artifacts in PAL, or maybe camcoder, or maybe some programs, but they are not. I have some new strange findings here. I authored hybrid AVCHD’s with NERO 8, ULEAD MF and with TSremux. I played them all on computer with NERO 8 and WinDVD 9 – and I see in all of them that artifacts again on computer (and also on PS3 and plasma). When I play m2t, mpeg2 and even m2ts file from BDMV STREAM folder - everything looks OK – on computer with different players and on PS3. If authored m2ts file plays well, than problem is somewhere in structure in BDMV folders, in some other files – that makes computer players and PS3 not properly to play that video. As for PS3 and plasma, I tried everything – I changed all settings on PS3 and plasma and result was the same – live snakes. As for deinterlacing on PS3 and plasma, I tried m2t file with 1080i, 1080p and 720p output from PS3 – and it allways looked good and without the live snakes artifacts. So, I can’t say which is better deinterlacer (PS3 or plasma). With AVCHD, I could try only 1080i and 720p output from PS3 - and it allways looked more or less the same with same live snake artifacts.

I must say that I also tried real Blu-Ray BDMV from HDD of my computer (I don’t have BR player yet on computer) – and that played also with live snakes – so hybrid AVCHD is maybe also not responsible – if not, what really is – is it Blu-Ray format and is it only for PAL, or is it Blu-Ray format really good only for 24p, and 50i (and everything other what is interlaced) is problematic.

As I said before, those artifacts are very small and only in some parts of video, but they exist – only carefully eye and eye which saw better video from the same source can see them. Next, my video was 20 minutes test video when I pushed camcoder to the limit and I tried really everything in manual and auto mode (I always like to test my camcoders month or two) and it was video on bright shiny day in school yard with many flashing objects (aluminium frames of windows, white frames of goals and baskets, aluminium outdoor lighting stands and so). In normal (not test) video and properly recorded in manual mode maybe me and other people would never see those artifacts, or maybe they would be smaller or less visible. In my test videos from low light (in my house) there is not visible artifacts and differences, but there is also not so many shiny thin objects. But real problem here is – why my outdoor test video looks different from m2t and AVCHD – they should look the same, bad or good, but the same – m2t looks really steady, like still moving pictures, or like you look through the window, but AVCHD does not and it sometimes flashing on thin shiny objects (it also look great, but my problem is that now I now that it could even look better).

My problem is that I really tried everything, that such forums about HD video, camcoders and PS3 are much much stronger from NTSC countries than PAL and that NTSC people really didn’t report such kind of problems – live snakes in interlaced HD camcoder’s videos played in AVCHD, hybrid AVCHD and BR (BDMV) formats. Maybe on some German or French forum, but I don’ know that languages. Shame is that Sony introduced 50 Hz capability for PS3 before few months (until then we could play PAL video media data files only in NTSC which looked terrible). Maybe is the same with BDMV format, because I tried everything with different programs and on different places – and if NTSC people don’t see artifacts and I see them – problem is in PAL only? If NTSC people also see artifacts and differences – is it problem in deinterlacing, or is it BR format more for 24p, or is it problem in 1440x1080 HDV format – nobady yet knows.


Anyway, I have 4 original m2t NTSC files from internet (about 20 sec. each) from HV-20. I will make AVCHD with them and I will try to see if I notice those artifacts on PS3 and on computer.

Angry Seso.

Tom and others.....I wanted to ask if there is anybody from PAL land who read this forum – but now there is no need for that. I just tried 4 original m2t NTSC HV-20 files from internet and I saw the same things like in my PAL example. Those files are HDV 60i baseball-beach.m2t, Birds.m2t, seagull-beach.m2t, windy-bridge.m2t and I downloaded them before 5-6 months from one man’s Internet page. They are between 60 and 160 MB each, and if they still exist you can search Internet download them, experiment and see what I saw. There is no PAL or NTSC PS3 like DVD players before, PS3s are now all the same.

Those files are not so characteristic like my example (which was with much more thin metal shiny vertical or horizontal objects and much better and stilly filmed) but in some of them I saw some same things. I saw that hardly, but I saw that on the end of file seagull-beach.m2t on the back and distant parts white fence, I saw that in the file Birds.m2t where small leafs arround bird are flashing more. What is also very interesting in the file seagull-beach.m2t is that man certainly had problems with his tape and had two breaks or abnormality in video. Those abnormalities are presented different in m2t and AVCHD video. In this case, AVCHD played them better than m2t. But, it is also the proof that m2t and AVCHD don’t look identical – regardless they should look the same.

So, I don’t speak what I think, I speak what I see. And my two sons saw the same, something is different in AVCHD and m2t played on PS3. And that is for PAL and NTSC now. I told you before that I also saw that on computer and also for real BR BDMV example (but played only from HDD of my computer).

Now, I can also think little and say that great hybrid AVCHD findings on this great forum are maybe not responsible for this. I think, maybe this will also be the case with real BR discs. I saw bad indications for that on my computer – but the only proof for me will be on PS3 and plasma. I will try that when I make my first real BR disc. Maybe this was the case all these past years with SD DVD video and its VOB files– but we didn’t know and didn’t see. We couldn’t know and see that because there was not PS3 and because interlaced SD video on progressive plasma (LCD) was (because of upscaling) so full of different artifacts that we didn’t see this. On good old small interlaced TV’s everything was great with properly filmed interlaced video and without visible artifacts at all. But on big progressive plasma or LCD – everything is great and beautifull, but unfortunately everything is visible.

So, I have to congratulate to all people on this forum on great findings on hybrid AVCHD, but it would be also great to find why PS3 and computer players plays m2t and AVCHD differently. I tried everything but I didn’t find. Maybe I will go out one day and film similar scenes on bright light day in 25p mode, but I didn’t see sun here more than 10 days. I am even more interested but also in doubt what will be with BR discs, but the only proof for me will be when I make one. Also, very interesting would be how other BR players play AVCHD, hybrid AVCHD and BR discs, but I will maybe never know because I doubt I will buy one and I still think PS3 is the best solution.

Until then, I will probably make hybrid AVCHD, but I will save my original m2t files (after Vegas) on my HDDs, I will read forums and will wait for better days for Blu-Ray.

If somebody who also read this forum, but who is not so occupied with look of his video, he doesn’t need to care – because hybrid AVCHD is so wonderfull with fully functional and now and live menus (after alluringreality) and looks so great that maybe 90 of 100 people will not see the difference – in other words – you will never know. MozartMan’s findings are also great and if you have ULEAD MF and NERO 8 and if you make menus based on his findings, you can make them 10 years and they will still be interesting – and all that on cheap DVD or DVD DL for 23 or 45 minutes of HQ mpeg2 video which is almost the same like I did before with SD video (I made it always in full quality, 9600 birtrate, for 60-65 minutes of video). You even never need BR discs which are for me and my films little too long with 2 hours of video capability. You don’t need TSremux anymore.

Seso

Seso,

So that you get some perspective, my HD authoring experience took root first with the JVC GR-HD1, Sony Z1U, Canon HV10, Canon XH-A1 and Sony PMW-EX1. I still use the latter 3 cams.

Playback is via Pioneer Elite 50 inch 1080p plasma monitor and Sony PS3 connected via HDMI input.

The reason I mention the hardware, is not to brandish credentials, but so that we get on the same page. There are so many possible explanations hardware-wise outside of possible differences in how hybrid AVCHD disks are authored versus m2t.

I am sympathetic to the emotion of your observations. I have a keen eye for viewing. We have to remove the emotion and be objective. Throughout your passionate postings, you have revealed little about the configuration of your equipment. Please list it out for us along with how it's connected.

What kind of tv/monitor is connected to the PS3? Is it connected via the HDMI input? Component Y Cr/Cb? Is it LCD? CRT? Plasma or something else? What is its sync frequency? 50hz? 60hz?

To get a baseline, turn off ALL image processing circuits in the TV menu, particularly mpeg or block noise reduction, cinemotion or cinema pulldown circuits, and make sure sharpening is not too high. Your interlaced camcorder HDV video is doesn't need any pulldown circuitry enabled for the baseline. Is your camcorder shooting 50i or 60i?

Next up, the PS3.

Use the following settings for the baseline:

Video Settings:
BD/DVD Cinema Conversion - VIDEO
BD 1080P24 Hz Output (HDMI) - AUTOMATIC
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) - AUTOMATIC

Display Settings (PS3):
Video Output Setting Current Output Resolution - 1080I

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Insert AVCHD hybrid disk into the PS3 and observe playback.
Press the green triangle button, a menu overlay will appear over the image. Scroll to AV Settings. Observe them. Now halt the playback of the disk.

Commence playback of the m2t file from the PS3 hard drive.
Press the green triange button and scroll to the AV Settings. Observe that for m2t playback, there is a different menu than you had with the AVCHD hybrid. You will observe that there are now some noise reduction circuits shown, a completely different menu! Can those circuits be responsible for the difference you are observing between m2t and AVCHD disk?

Make sure 1080p output from the PS3 is NOT enabled. For the test, you want your TV to be doing all the deinterlacing.

As you have made observations about crawling snakes, I have an observation to share. The PS3 when playing back interlaced m2t streams from the hard disk will sometimes lock onto the wrong field order, displaying the lower field first in error. When that happens, the picture is marginally softer. Most people won't notice. It's very subtle. You can re-sync to the correct upper field first order by alternately pressing PAUSE, then PLAY several times. <--That problem I have not observed ever happening with BDMV or AVCHD hybrid playback. So there actually ARE a few differences in how playback are handled for interlaced streams as well as progressive ones, between the PS3 playing back from its internal hard disk drive, or its BD-ROM drive.

I hope that helps.

One ambition has been to see 24p AVC with AC3 5.1 surround accepted natively by the authoring application so that no additional recompression would be required. I found a surprising way that is probably not practical for the workflow of most people, but it works stupendously well for someone using Sony products end to end.

The Sony PMW-EX1 camcorder workflow uses a wrapper called MXF (material exchange format). Inside the MXF wrapper is HQ 35 mbps vbr mpeg-2. The native bit rate is too high for our hybrid AVCHD disks, so it must be recompressed. Up until now, I would use Vegas Pro 8.0(c) to output using one of the Blu-ray templates, since those would load into DVD Architect 5.0 without further re-encodes, and I could get clean, relatively fast 25 mbps mpeg-2 disk that plays great on the PS3, but the read rate from the disk media is too high for anything else. (I tried Sony BDSP-350, Panasonic BD35, and Samsung 2500.)

I tried lowering the mpeg-2 bit rate, but the quality suffers.

What next hit me like an arctic gust was to work this problem in reverse. What I did was instead of using the Vegas Blu-ray template to re-encode from MXF to Blu-ray mpeg-2, I chose instead to output from Vegas in the original container using the MXF template! Vegas SMART RENDERS it!!! :eek: Then I let DVD Architect do the rendering to AVC 24p with AC3 5.1 surround at 18 mbps. The result was FAN-DAM-TASTIC! It does a terrific VBR encode! The bit rate observed on the PS3 would hover at the 18 mbps average, have absolute peaks within a range of 4.2 - 32.2, and more typically range between 12.5 - 25.2.

Although DVDA doesn't give a hint about it's process, it's slow as sin and with the stellar quality, I feel certain it was doing at least a 2-pass encode.

Next I'm going to try this new 18 mbps AVC disk on some of the other players, to see if I made progress on the compatibility front.

Of course, the new workflow still requires the AVCHD-Patcher/Hex Editor modifications founded by AlluringReality.

Tom,

I have plasma connected via HDMI to PS3. I live in Europe and here we use PAL camcoders 50i (25p). Voltage in Europe is 230V, 50Hz.

My plasma is properly calibrated with AVIA (PAL) and DVE (also PAL) and all image processing circuits are always off because I don’t need them for digital video.

Next, PS3....Video settings are almost equal like yours except BD/DVD Cinema Conversion – AUTOMATIC, but I said before that I tried everything on PS3 (and that..VIDEO instead of AUTOMATIC) and it didn't (and shouldn't) make the difference (I didn't have problems with PS3 how it plays video or film content yet).
Display seetings PS3.... Video Output Setting Current Output Resolution – 1080i – well, I tried for m2t both, 1080i and 1080p and it makes no noticeable difference for m2t.....and I know that I can't try 1080p for BDMV AVCHD on PS3 yet - so I have compared AVCHD and m2t on 1080i (and I did it on 720p too).

Green triangle button....AV Settings. for AVCHD and m2t I know I don't have RGB (it's for games only) and I have Super whites set to ON. For m2t playback, from the beginning of new firmware I have all reductions set to off. But I also said before that I tried all PS3 video and display properties (not only ones that I am normally use).

Your last observation is very interesting and helpful, but I also said before that I tried m2t from PS3's HDD and from DVD and didn't notice difference between the two, but I noticed difference between them and AVCHD.

I told before that I saw differences between AVCHD and m2t (m2ts, mpeg2) not only on PS3, but also on two different players on my computer. And they are the same. Artifacts in AVCHD are on the same places like in m2t, but are little bigger. If there is no artifacts in m2t, there is also no artifacts in AVCHD. And I think it is maybe not the problem in AVCHD, maybe is problem in BDMV and maybe it will be the problem on BD BDMV (I saw that indication, but only on computer players, so for me it is still not relevant). PS3 alone is also not relevant, I would like to see how some other Blu-Ray players play that my „crazy“ AVCHD.

So, what is different between your and mine experiments. Different is voltage and freqency and maybe eyes (to be objective, my hardware worked on 230V, 50Hz, your didn’t). You didn't see, but I saw. Maybe we are both right, but maybe one of us isn't. People shouldn’t believe anybody (nor your experience nor mine emotions). They have to remove the emotion and to be objective.

I just hope I helped people when I said that I made some experiments also with real NTSC m2t files from NTSC HV-30. If they want, they can go out, shoot something really bad and in full auto mode, something what will have flickering artifacts (on bright shiny day with many flashing objects like aluminium frames of windows, white frames of goals and baskets, aluminium outdoor lighting stands and so) - then come home - and experiment.

If people believe to me it’s OK because differences in artifacts are not so big that we can’t live with them. If they believe to you it is still better because they will be even more happy.

Seso

It would be a lot easier to simply upload a short test clip that specifically shows what you're looking at. Personally I can't really think of many reasons why a Blu-ray related formatting would cause issues, but my interest is mainly around 24p and I haven't looked at interlaced video much except for ATSC recordings.

I took my hybrid 24p AVC 18 mbps disk to the retailer, and tried it in a few Blu-ray players.

It worked perfectly in both the Panasonic BD35 and Sony BDSP350. That's a change since both of those players had problems with my previous higher bitrate (25 mbps) mpeg-2 encodes.

It did not work at all in the Samsung BMP2500 which just read "STOP."

alluringreality,

Me also can't really think of many reasons why a Blu-ray related formatting would cause issues. So, I was surprised when I saw differences and procedure of my experiment was so easy that I know it was hard to mistake something. If I find mistake or something else about that I will report. But, we can stop speak about that for now.


Tom,

From your last post (1683) I see you like to experiment too, you give some useful information, and I really appreciate that.

From that post I see that we can be very happy with PS3 when we speak about hybrid AVCHD. Now I also know that If I give my HD video on DVD disc to somebody who has different Blu-ray player (not PS3), it would be better to give him real AVCHD (not hybrid) or maybe hybrid with lower birtrate, because he colud expect problems with 25 mbps mpeg-2.

I tried real AVCHD on PS3 made from my mpeg2 HDV and it look also very good. For me, I will make “ful quality” videos with 25 mbps mpeg-2 smartrender. One day, I will probably put them all on BD-Rs.

I see you have experience with other Blu-ray players (not only PS3) and I don’t.

Is there any difference between PS3 and other Blu-ray players in playing “normal” BD disc or they more or less look the same and it is hard to notice difference in quality ?

seso

Seso,

When looking at other BD players, I have no comment. I have not been comparing quality per se, just evaluating compatibility with hybrid disks.

As for AVCHD hybrids, I actually feel it would be more correct if we called them BDMV hybrids. True AVCHD disks are not hybrid.

Yes, for me, somethimes is very complicate how should I call THEM, but the most important is that this works. Well, everything what I tried from this forum with them works for me on PS3. Really great forum on only 57 pages. When I first wrote to this forum I called them “dummy” because I liked that term from MozartMan pdf file.

As for PS3 and its quality of playing of BD disc, I monitor also some other forums about PS3 (audio/video, not game) and there is also some smart people there. Some of them tried or have some different Blu-Ray players. Conclusion based on their experiences is that PS3 is: “if not better than equal to some good Blu-ray players” in reproducing video materials. Their conclusions are for viewing materials on SD DVDs and BDs. They also like how PS is upscaling SD.

I also monitor some forums about PS3 new firmwares. There I also found some great information, but very interesting is that there is many very sceptical and careful people who are always afraid that with new firmware something can be “cut-off” by Sony. I also noticed that last PS3 firmwares report things like enhanced DVD, BDAV and some other files playing or upscaling, but long time I didn’t see nothing new like that for BDMV.

There I also found some great information, but very interesting is that there is many very sceptical and careful people who are always afraid that with new firmware something can be “cut-off” by Sony.

Count me among them.

Count me among them.

And after reading the fun with some of the 2.4x fw updates, me too....

Seggers

It is for PAL users much more than NTSC:

I stiil don’t have peace with those PAL “live snakes” so I went again from m2t to AVCHD on PS3.

I didn’t find nothing new about “snakes” but I found something new about 50Hz VIDEO OUTPUT.

It is about how PS3 shows data of audio and video streams (my firmware is 2.52).

50Hz VIDEO OUTPUT is very new option and very welcome for PAL users, so there is nothing here with “cut off”.

After green triangle and INFO – PS3 always shows right video and audio data about file for PAL and NTSC.

When 50Hz VIDEO OUTPUT is on AUTOMATIC everything is OK for PAL and NTSC AVCHD and m2t.

When 50Hz VIDEO OUTPUT is on 50Hz then:

- when I play PAL and NTSC AVCHD everything is OK
- when I play NTSC m2t everything is OK
- when I play PAL m2t and when I press DISPLAY button on PS3 Blu-Ray remote it shows wrong live readings for video and audio: it should show around 25 Mbps and 384 kbps, but it shows around 30 Mbps and 460 kbps (video has constant birtrate 25 Mbps and 384 kbps)

I tried that on few PAL m2t files.

I suppose it is only wrong reading (bug) and can’t be something else ?

On one forum one man said:
Physically, a BD9 is simply a 12 cm DVD-ROM disc with standard 4.7 GB (single-layer) or 8.5 GB (dual-layer) capacities but is fabricated to somewhat tighter specification for dynamic imbalance. It is also spun at three times the normal speed of a DVD resulting in a proportionally higher data transfer rate (33.24 Mbps vs. 11.08 Mbps).

I didn’t look for that before and I have never seen specification like that on any DVD-R/RW (that they are fabricated to somewhat tighter specification or for higher data transfer rate - 33.24 Mbps vs. 11.08 Mbps). I have few Verbatim DVD-RWs 4x and more that 20 Verbatim DVD-Rs 16x and I think I probably don’t have problems with them and transfer rates (mpeg2 with 25 Mbps).

Should we maybe expect problems with some other (cheaper) DVDs with higher bit rates and are my ordinary Verbatim 16x DVDs OK for that (or there are some better Verbatims or other DVDs) ?

Second question, when you put AVCHD in PS3 it declares itself like AVCHD and you can play it only like that. Normally, you can't go to folders on properly made AVCHD on PS3. Is it maybe any trick to go in AVCHD folders on PS3 and than play m2ts from STREAM folder like data file?

Third question. On some older forums I have read that some people had problems with some Panasonic Blu-Ray players because they didn't play authorized HDV mpeg2 1440x1080 video from BD-R. From their specifcation, those players played only „MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1” 1440x1080 video.
I read Vegas forum and I think that on Vegas forum I never didn’t read something like that (because recommendations there are always to render HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 video like 1440x1080 mpeg 2 and then authorize and burn with menus on BD-R).
So, my question is: can PS3 (and most other Blu-Ray players) play authorized mpeg2 HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 video from authorized BD-R (in BDMV and BDAV)?

Along the lines of this discussion.... I've been testing the new BD Rebuilder Beta (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143716) which basically allows you to back up a movie only or full blu-ray (including menus) to BD5/9. My first test was a full disc to BD5. I can burn it to a BR-RE and the PS3 plays it fine. But when I burn to a standard DVD-R the PS3 shows it as a data disc (you see a list of files and you can browse and choose an m2ts file and play it but no menus). I then tried to patch it with AVCHD-Patcher - I'm not sure if this was the right thing to do but it now shows as a AVCHD disc but I get "this video cannot be played (80029945)".

Any ideas? Is it even possible to play a full BD5/9 backup on the PS3? I'm using ImgBurn set to UDF 2.50 if that makes a difference....

ideas? Is it even possible to play a full BD5/9 backup on the PS3? I'm using ImgBurn set to UDF 2.50 if that makes a difference....

The PS3 will play the AVCHD format from DVD disks, and the video doesn't have to be AVC. You could use tsMuxer to reauthor the video in the STREAMS folder from your disk and output with the Blu-ray option. tsMuxer basically creates an AVCHD format, so unless there's an issue with the video it should play on the PS3. All you have to do is burn the folders from tsMuxer with UDF 2.50 using ImgBurn.

I then tried to patch it with AVCHD-Patcher - I'm not sure if this was the right thing to do but it now shows as a AVCHD disc but I get "this video cannot be played (80029945)". ..

There is one more step after the AVCHD-Patcher, to use a hex editor to change one bit in the header of the index.bdmv file and the movieobject.bdmv file. Please see Alluringreality's guide a few posts above.

On one forum one man said:
Physically, a BD9 is simply a 12 cm DVD-ROM disc with standard 4.7 GB (single-layer) or 8.5 GB (dual-layer) capacities but is fabricated to somewhat tighter specification for dynamic imbalance. It is also spun at three times the normal speed of a DVD resulting in a proportionally higher data transfer rate (33.24 Mbps vs. 11.08 Mbps).

I didn’t look for that before and I have never seen specification like that on any DVD-R/RW (that they are fabricated to somewhat tighter specification or for higher data transfer rate - 33.24 Mbps vs. 11.08 Mbps). I have few Verbatim DVD-RWs 4x and more that 20 Verbatim DVD-Rs 16x and I think I probably don’t have problems with them and transfer rates (mpeg2 with 25 Mbps).

Should we maybe expect problems with some other (cheaper) DVDs with higher bit rates and are my ordinary Verbatim 16x DVDs OK for that (or there are some better Verbatims or other DVDs) ?

No particular problems with cheaper media in my experience.


Second question, when you put AVCHD in PS3 it declares itself like AVCHD and you can play it only like that. Normally, you can't go to folders on properly made AVCHD on PS3. Is it maybe any trick to go in AVCHD folders on PS3 and than play m2ts from STREAM folder like data file?

You can always just copy files onto a data disk or usb flash.


Third question. On some older forums I have read that some people had problems with some Panasonic Blu-Ray players because they didn't play authorized HDV mpeg2 1440x1080 video from BD-R. From their specifcation, those players played only „MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1” 1440x1080 video.
I read Vegas forum and I think that on Vegas forum I never didn’t read something like that (because recommendations there are always to render HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 video like 1440x1080 mpeg 2 and then authorize and burn with menus on BD-R).
So, my question is: can PS3 (and most other Blu-Ray players) play authorized mpeg2 HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 video from authorized BD-R (in BDMV and BDAV)?

The problem I observed with the Panasonic BD-35 was that it would play HDV mpeg2 1440x1080 from red laser media fine at the full 25mbps bitrate for the first 30 seconds, afterward begin stuttering, freezing and skipping. PS3 never had a problem with this. I believe the issue is what you mentioned at the top, the drive needs to spin the disk at 2x-3x to read the data fast enough. The PS3 can do this, but the others may not. The "fix" for me has been to lower the bitrate but not the quality, by encoding to AVC. But that's my observation for red laser disks, not BD-R.

That would be very discouraging if BD-R is having these problems of not being able to play on Panasonic or other players. Hope that's not the case, but my focus to date has been with the cheaper red laser media.

Thanks Tom for answers.

In fact, for third question I also have got positive answer from one man from this forum (on one other thread). He is authoring and burning BD-R discs only with HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 with menus (in BDMV). He is watching video on PS3 and one other Sony Blu-Ray player without problems.

That older forums in which I have read about some people had problems with some Panasonic Blu-Ray players is very old and from 2006. Perhaps they also now don’t have problems with new firmwares.


To rendez2k

I would say him like Tom. To go on page 56 of this forum, to read Alluringreality's guide and to make everything like it is written in that guide. That should work with PS3 unless there's an issue with his video.

OK - some questions about PS3 data disc issue again! Can AVCHD discs have more than one title, menu etc? As movie-only discs from BD Rebuilder work fine and show correctly in the PS3 as an AVCHD disc, I'm wondering if the issues I'm having is in the actual specs of the format and the way the PS3 handles it? Whats is the difference between BD-5/9 and AVCHD? If I burn the exact same full disc BD5/9 output folders to BR-RE rather than DVD, the PS3 is more than happy and the disc plays as expected. Does the disc type make a difference? Is the PS3 seeing a DVD and the refusing to play it? Can you trick the PS3 into seeing a DVD-R as a BR-RE?

I had followed the guide including hex editor part and it didn't work (causing the error message) but I am going to retest to make sure I did it correctly. Just to clarify (before I waste hours converting another movie!), should AVCHD-Patcher work on making full BD5 discs (including menus and multiple titles) show correctly as AVCHD discs in the PS3? Does the type of DVD make a difference (eg DVD-RW vs DVD+R?)

OK - some questions about PS3 data disc issue again! Can AVCHD discs have more than one title, menu etc?

Yes

If I burn the exact same full disc BD5/9 output folders to BR-RE rather than DVD, the PS3 is more than happy and the disc plays as expected. Does the disc type make a difference? Is the PS3 seeing a DVD and the refusing to play it? Can you trick the PS3 into seeing a DVD-R as a BR-RE?

Yes, Yes and Yes. Use the the guide.


I had followed the guide including hex editor part and it didn't work (causing the error message) but I am going to retest to make sure I did it correctly. Just to clarify (before I waste hours converting another movie!), should AVCHD-Patcher work on making full BD5 discs (including menus and multiple titles) show correctly as AVCHD discs in the PS3? Does the type of DVD make a difference (eg DVD-RW vs DVD+R?)

AVCHD patcher and the hex editor steps take seconds, not hours. Be sure you are patching the correct files, index.bdmv and movieobject.bdmv. Yes, these will be full BD5 disks that show as AVCHD on PS3. The type of DVD media, +RW/+R etc. makes no difference.

Thanks Tom for answers.

In fact, for third question I also have got positive answer from one man from this forum (on one other thread). He is authoring and burning BD-R discs only with HDV 1440x1080 mpeg2 with menus (in BDMV). He is watching video on PS3 and one other Sony Blu-Ray player without problems.

That older forums in which I have read about some people had problems with some Panasonic Blu-Ray players is very old and from 2006. Perhaps they also now don’t have problems with new firmwares.


To rendez2k

I would say him like Tom. To go on page 56 of this forum, to read Alluringreality's guide and to make everything like it is written in that guide. That should work with PS3 unless there's an issue with his video.

Please give the post number, not page number as that can be changed. For me this thread has 29 pages, so I would need the post number in the upper right corner of each post.

Thanks

Mike T

To rendez2k,

And it would be good idea to copy your original BDMV folder before patching and hex editor and try patching on copy. So, if you make something wrong, you can try again without affecting your original source. For me, I don’t need to do that because after few attempts everything is very easy. This is the beauty of that guide.


To mtallent,
Post number for guide is #1662 .

To rendez2k,

And it would be good idea to copy your original BDMV folder before patching and hex editor and try patching on copy. So, if you make something wrong, you can try again without affecting your original source.

If you do that, you are unnecessarily making a copy of the video file which is large.

The only files that could possibly need to be archived are the ones being patched, index.bdmv and movieobject.bdmv.

If you just follow the steps in the guide, nothing can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, nothing can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong...;)

OK, when I said I don't want to waste hours doing another movie, it was precisely because I'd played around that much with my original source that I had no choice but to re-compress the entire BR again!

On re-reading the guide I'm 99% sure I'd followed it correctly the first time but I'm going to retry to be sure. One thing I did notice is statement a about the copy protection indicator - I suppose this could be the problem?

I'm having bad results backing up my Blu-ray/HD DVD collection to BD-9 and playing on my Panasonic BD35.

My process:

1.) Decrypt Blu-ray/HD DVD using AnyDVD HD
2.) Extract video, chapters, suptitles, and convert lossless audio to 640 kbps AC3 using eac3to.
3.) Index and frame serve video using DGAVCDecNV and DGVC1DecNV.
5.) Encode using x264 to fit to BD-9.
6.) Mux video and audio to Blu-ray Disc using txMuxeR.
7.) Applying fixclpi on CLIPINF and BACKUP/CLIPINF.
8.) Burn to DVD-9 using IMGBurn in UDF 2.50 mode.

Using this process the resultant BD-9 is playable on a PS3. However, on the BD 35 the BD-9 plays for half a second and then stops. Any idea?

As stated at the bottom of the guide:

PS3bdfix101 can correct the video in the STREAMS directory if the BDMV was created by Scenarist with cpi on. For most programs that create BDMV you will never have to worry about cpi.

How do you run it on a complete disc structure? How do you know if you even need to run it?

When I run AVCHD-Patcher I get "Error: The file has been patched". But no backup is created and no changes are made. When using xvi32 I noticed that all the changes are already applied. BDMV was created using tsMuxer 1.8.8(b).

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Using this process the resultant BD-9 is playable on a PS3. However, on the BD 35 the BD-9 plays for half a second and then stops. Any idea?

The BD35 is one of the players that worked for me, if the bit rate was not excessive, 18mbps AVC was fine.

How do you run it on a complete disc structure? How do you know if you even need to run it?

You should not need to run it unless you are putting it on red laser DVD5/9 media.

When I run AVCHD-Patcher I get "Error: The file has been patched". But no backup is created and no changes are made. When using xvi32 I noticed that all the changes are already applied. BDMV was created using tsMuxer 1.8.8(b).

AVCHD-Patcher is not needed if tsMuxer is used to author BDMV. TsMuxer however does not author menus. So the reason to use AVCHD-Patcher is when you want to use an authoring app that supports menus. Even then you don't need AVCHD patcher unless you are trying to put the collaboration on red laser DVD5/9 media.

When you author with menus using whatever authoring application, AVCHD-Patcher still is not needed except for a BDMV project. The reason for authoring a BDMV project in lieu of an AVCHD project is because you want some of the features the AVCHD app may not support, 24p, or maybe even AC3 5.1 surround.

- AVCHD disks *are* red laser disks. If you use your authoring app to create an AVCHD disk, you don't use AVCHD-Patcher.

- BDMV projects are targeted for BD-R/RE media. If you are authoring to Blu-ray disk media, you don't use AVCHD-Patcher.

-TsMuxer is different because it puts a BDMV project inside an AVCHD wrapper so it plays from red laser DVD5/9 media, only not with menus. But this approach provides a path for using mpeg2 instead of AVC, as well as some other features like 24p and AC3 5.1 surround, or better, but just not with menus.

- But if you want a BDMV project with menus to play on red laser DVD5/9 media, your create the project with the authoring application of your choice, but you have to patch it with AVCHD-Patcher and the hex editor.

- Again, TsMuxer is already doing the patching for you, but you can't create a project with menus with it.

- Whatever your project, with the exception of the PS3 you need to have the bit rate low enough so that it can be read by the drive in the standalone player and keep up. AVC 18mbps worked fine for me on the Sony BDPS-350 and the Panasonic BD35, but not the Samsung 2500.

Hope this clarifies...

Again, AVCHD-Patcher won't patch and doesn't need to, if the project was authored Blu-ray by TsMuxer 1.8.8.92.

As for the Scenarist and the CPI bit, I have no clue. I've have not used this for ripping or backing up, just authoring disks from HD camcorder footages.

If you have Scenarist, I would imagine all the tools for burning BD5/9 are already found in that application.

When I run AVCHD-Patcher I get "Error: The file has been patched". But no backup is created and no changes are made. When using xvi32 I noticed that all the changes are already applied. BDMV was created using tsMuxer 1.8.8(b).

This probably doesn't apply, but you can't patch a compressed file from an .iso image on a mounted virtual drive.

In other words, some Blu-ray authoring applications like Sony DVD Architect do not author the folders, only the actual disk or .iso disk image. You can use something like virtual clone drive to view the folder contents inside the compressed .iso image, but you cannot patch until the .iso has been unpacked into the physical folders and files.

Well then I'm back at square one because my Blu-ray to BD-9 backups won't play on my BD35. However, they will play on PS3.

I'm new to the whole burning process. I just picked up a LG GGW-H20L drive. I haven't been able to read through the whole thread yet but had a few questions.

1. Is there any software that I should use besides what came packaged with it?
2. What can/can't I burn from lets a say a DVR?

You should not need to run it unless you are putting it on red laser DVD5/9 media.

I am trying to put it on DVD5/9!

OK, I got one disc to work following the guide! Converted a BR with BD Rebuilder, pathced and burnt to DVD+R and it all worked!

But then I tried another full disc last night with BD Rebuilder, and after performing the patch steps and burning to DVD+R, the intro video plays, then I get the video playback error message I was getting before. This disc has a more complicated menu structure and where it appears to fail is when the loading bar/progress animation begins to play before the menu. As I am essentially taking a BR disc and patching it to be a AVCHD disc, I'm now wondering if its a video specification error and I just got lucky that the first disc and it conformed correctly to these specs.

Has anyone else tested BD Rebuilder? Any further ideas or things to try?

This disc has a more complicated menu structure and where it appears to fail is when the loading bar/progress animation begins to play before the menu.

I've never used BD-Rebuilder so I have no idea what it does. By the time given for the program to work, it must be recoding the video. Anyway, if the program keeps the menu structure from the original Blu-ray then it's very possible you might not be able to play a DVD disk from the PS3. The PS3 has only been confirmed to play the AVCHD file structure from DVD. I've read that AVCHD does not support Java that many professional Blu-ray menus are authored with.

Aside from clearly false reports, I have never read anything that would indicate it's actually possible to create a BD-5/9 at home. All reports I've read talking about BD-5/9 have really been talking about AVCHD file structure, and like mentioned AVCHD probably doesn't support BD-J. So like I said before, the only foolproof thing I can think for the video to playback on the PS3 from DVD is to re-author the video from the STREAMS folder. I know that the BD-Rebuilder author was talking about using DVD media in his player, but not all Blu-rays are authored with BD-J and I've seen disks authored slightly differently that will not play the same on all Sony players.

... and like mentioned AVCHD probably doesn't support BD-J.

That's true. I used Corel DMF7 Pro and authored BD-J project to folders. Then used AVCHD-patcher and hex editor and burned to DVD+RW. PS3 didn't play that.

I've never used BD-Rebuilder so I have no idea what it does. By the time given for the program to work, it must be recoding the video. Anyway, if the program keeps the menu structure from the original Blu-ray then it's very possible you might not be able to play a DVD disk from the PS3. The PS3 has only been confirmed to play the AVCHD file structure from DVD. I've read that AVCHD does not support Java that many professional Blu-ray menus are authored with.

Aside from clearly false reports, I have never read anything that would indicate it's actually possible to create a BD-5/9 at home. All reports I've read talking about BD-5/9 have really been talking about AVCHD file structure, and like mentioned AVCHD probably doesn't support BD-J. So like I said before, the only foolproof thing I can think for the video to playback on the PS3 from DVD is to re-author the video from the STREAMS folder. I know that the BD-Rebuilder author was talking about using DVD media in his player, but not all Blu-rays are authored with BD-J and I've seen disks authored slightly differently that will not play the same on all Sony players.

Thanks for the detailed report. Sounds like Java may be the main issue. Just one thing - as mentioned earlier, if I burn the exact same files to BD-RE, they work fine. Why is this and can the PS3 be tricked somehow into thinking the DVD is a BD-R(E)? Obviously the PS3 is quite capable of playing the file structure, its just playing it in a different 'mode' as it sees a DVD not a BR?

if I burn the exact same files to BD-RE, they work fine. Why is this

The reports I've read suggest the PS3 has likely been intentionally programed to only play AVCHD from DVD. For example I know the BDP-S1 will play BDMV from DVD, but the PS3 has only been reported as being capable of playing BDMV on DVD in file mode.

can the PS3 be tricked somehow into thinking the DVD is a BD-R(E)?

The hex editing of 2 to a 1 is the media identifier from what I've read. I think a year or so ago we tried changing just that item and things didn't work on the PS3. There isn't any way that I'm aware of.

Any idea what would happen if you burnt a DVD with both VIDEO_TS/AUDIO_TS and BDMV/CERTIFICATE folders on the same disk?

I know dvd players will ignore the BDMV/CERTIFICATE folders but I wonder what blu-ray players will do. hmmm

I have a feeling it would just be a non compliant disk and probably wouldn't play.

ZZ

To ZeggyZon,

It's just my „idea“ and I didn't try.

But I believe DVD players and ordinary Blu-Ray players would play nothing. PS3 should play video only like data files from STREAM folder inside BDMV folder (m2ts files) and maybe VOB files for VIDEO_TS folder (I didn’t try and I am not sure if PS3 plays VOB files).

I just don't understand why some players, including my BD35, refuse to play BDMV on DVD. I mean isn't this exactly what the BD-5/9 specification is for? It's a shame we must "trick" the player to think the content on the DVD is AVCHD.

Hey guys I'm a DVD veteran but a blu-ray newbie so be gentle with me. I just bought the LG GBW-H20L burner and after I installed the drive it shows up properly in the device manager area and I also see it as a drive in Windows Explorer. I can put in standard DVD and read the contents just fine. However, when I put a blu-ray movie in it I can't access it in Windows Explorer. When I click on the drive it gives me the following error message: "Windows cannot read from this disk. The disk might be corrupted, or it could be using a format that is not compatible with Windows". I have searched on this error but haven't found a solution to it so far. In addition I know the drive actually can see the disk as I am able to see it in Anydvd and I am able to kind of play it from PowerDVD. Can someone help me understand why Windows Explorer is not able to read the contents?

The second question I have is I'm not sure of the requirements to actually play a blu-ray movie on my PC. As mentioned above I have been able to kind of get it to play in PowerDVD but its really slow and the sound crackles. Is this due to my graphics card? I'm not as concerned with this as I really got the burner to make blu-ray to BD-R copies but I'm just curious as to why this may be.

Any and all help is appreciated!

You need to install a UDF 2.5 driver.

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/download.jsp?soid=1284868

To install:

There is an easy way to "trick" installation of the Toshiba UDF2.5 driver on non Toshiba PCs, so it may be "safer" to download it from Toshiba support website:

1.) Unpack it.
2.) Start setup.

It will tell you, that you cannot install it on your non-Toshiba PC.
DO NOT CLOSE THIS MESSAGE BOX.

Navigate to your temp directory with explorer. You'll find a directory named like this: {1347D5A6-4FE0-476A-B85F-D0FC91F55EB0}

Enter it. You'll find two files:
thdudf.inf and thdudf.sys

Right click thdudf.inf, select "Install".

Wait a while. Close the Message Box. Reboot.

To rack04 -- I'm not sure who you are replying to. Can you clarify your response was intended for my post or someone elses? If it's mine then thanks!!!

To rack04 -- I'm not sure who you are replying to. Can you clarify your response was intended for my post or someone elses? If it's mine then thanks!!!

Sorry I should have quoted your post. Yes, the solution that I posted was directed at your question. Let me know if that solves your problem.

Sorry I should have quoted your post. Yes, the solution that I posted was directed at your question. Let me know if that solves your problem.

This did indeed fix the issue. Thank you so much!

The second question I have is I'm not sure of the requirements to actually play a blu-ray movie on my PC. As mentioned above I have been able to kind of get it to play in PowerDVD but its really slow and the sound crackles. Is this due to my graphics card? I'm not as concerned with this as I really got the burner to make blu-ray to BD-R copies but I'm just curious as to why this may be.

Any and all help is appreciated!

What video card do you have?

Yes, Yes and Yes. Use the the guide.

Is this the guide you are referring to? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12369935&postcount=753

Sorry, I just found this thread and thought I'd check in case there is a new way. That post is more than 1 year old. I'd like to make BD5/BD9 DVDs that can be played on a BDP-S1. Content is video from a HD camcorder.

What video card do you have?

Here are the specs on my rig:

Intel P4 3.2 GHz CPU
2 GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 6800OC AGP video card
Windows XP Pro SP3

Also, my motherboard is all PCI so I had to get a SATA card in order to hook up the blu-ray burner.

I just updated my PowerDVD 8 from the web and when it tries to play the disk the light on the drive blinks like its working but the system slows down and chugs and nothing ever shows up on PowerDVD. I end up having to kill the app in order to exit.

Is this the guide you are referring to?
Tom is probably referring to this one:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15285018#post15285018

cool. thanks. I am using vegas 8 pro to generate the bluray image. So I guess I should be able to use this guide to make it avchd "compatible". :-)

Tom is probably referring to this one:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15285018#post15285018

I am using vegas 8 pro to generate the bluray image. So I guess I should be able to use this guide to make it avchd "compatible". :-)

You don't have to for your player. That is one of the very few players that will play BDMV from DVD, as long as the UDF 2.5 format is used for burning. AVCHD is far more compatible if you want to maybe try to play the disk on another player.

My BDP-S1 refuses to play BDMV from DVD. I am burning w/ ImgBurn/UDF 2.5. It says "Cannot play this format". Mine has firmware 4.20. It plays AVCHD disks fine.

I am generating the BDMV/CERTIFICATE folders with vegas pro 8, so I am assuming there is something that has to be done to the files so that they can be played.

You don't have to for your player. That is one of the very few players that will play BDMV from DVD, as long as the UDF 2.5 format is used for burning. AVCHD is far more compatible if you want to maybe try to play the disk on another player.

My BDP-S1 refuses to play BDMV from DVD. I am burning w/ ImgBurn/UDF 2.5. It says "Cannot play this format".

I've never seen that message for BDMV on my player, but if AVCHD works then just use that.

I mean isn't this exactly what the BD-5/9 specification is for?

As far as I can tell, BD-5/9 is only related to Blu-ray replication. Replication involves AACS fees, and the media and process is physically different than the sort of writable disks sold in stores for home-authoring. I'm not aware of anything that suggests it's actually possible to create BD-5/9 at home, and the only reports I've read talking about such things were actually discussing AVCHD file structure. BD-9 does seem to be correctly discussed in http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=11392

Using this process the resultant BD-9 is playable on a PS3. However, on the BD 35 the BD-9 plays for half a second and then stops. Any idea?

tsMuxer creates an AVCHD file structure when you choose the Blu-ray option, so it's intended to be burned to DVD media. There are basically two issues that I think of right away for your procedure:
1) There is no video and audio compatibility check.
2) I suppose it's possible the Bit-rate could be too high, but I don't remember how high-bitrates failed from DVD in Tom's report.

tsMuxer doesn't do any compatibility checks on the video and audio to make sure that they're at all Blu-ray compliant. The PS3 isn't limited to Blu-ray compliant material, so it will probably play some things that other players will not play. Commercial authoring software will do compatibility checks on the video and audio to make sure it's Blu-ray compliant. To start out, I would suggest using an authoring software other than tsMuxer so that you know that you have compliant audio and video. This is not an insignificant step, because many x264 settings do not seem to be Blu-ray compliant. The default "Standalone-AVC -HD" settings do seem to be compliant. As far as I know the BD35 will play compliant AVCHD disks, although there have been reports that it doesn't handle 24p AVC video the same as from BD-Rom disks. http://www.emedialive.com/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11425#ixp lists all the commercial companies that produce authoring software that I'm aware of, and some have free trials on their software. All the under $1000 software I've tried has one quirk or another, so I can't really suggest an authoring software to use. Anyway, in sort, odds are that your video or audio isn't Blu-ray compliant and that's why the BD35 isn't playing the disk.

Being that you're encoding to AVC video, I would suggest sticking to everything listed here http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html I would avoid exceeding the total bitrate listed for DVD to make sure players that are AVCHD compatible will play the disk.

I have success with the BD35 and BDSP-350 using DVD Architect 5.0 to burn a 18 mbps AVC Blu-ray project to a .iso disk image.

-I use Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive to unpack the .iso image into the BDMV folders.

- I use Alluringreality's guide to patch the files.

- I burn the BDMV and Certificate folders to a UDF 2.5 legacy disk with Nero Burning ROM.

They play great on the BD35.

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The BD35 would play tsmuxer authored disks from 25 mbps HDV, but would stutter, skip and freeze after about 30 seconds. It's not the authoring causing the problem, it just can't handle the 25 mbps bit rate.

The reason I went to AVC was to lower the bit rate without lowering the quality.

I have success with the BD35 and BDSP-350 using DVD Architect 5.0 to burn a 18 mbps AVC Blu-ray project to a .iso disk image.

-I use Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive to unpack the .iso image into the BDMV folders.

- I use Alluringreality's guide to patch the files.

- I burn the BDMV and Certificate folders to a UDF 2.5 legacy disk with Nero Burning ROM.

They play great on the BD35.

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The BD35 would play tsmuxer authored disks from 25 mbps HDV, but would stutter, skip and freeze after about 30 seconds. It's not the authoring causing the problem, it just can't handle the 25 mbps bit rate.

The reason I went to AVC was to lower the bit rate without lowering the quality.

Whenever you're talking about bitrate are you referring to vbv-maxrate?

Whenever you're talking about bitrate are you referring to vbv-maxrate?

Tom has stated in this tread that he uses Vegas Pro for video encoding. I was unable to get seemingly compliant video from x264 to pass through the DVD Architect 5.0A trial software without transcoding, but I didn't try to encode with Sony's software. You have to account for video and audio bitrate. You'll notice that the "Standalone-AVC -HD" settings from http://mirror05.x264.nl/Sharktooth/?dir=./MeGUI/profiles use vbv-maxrate 16500 for video, which is in line with the AVCHD info page to allow for 1.5Mbps audio.

Whenever you're talking about bitrate are you referring to vbv-maxrate?

The bitrate I am talking about is the read rate from the optical drive coming off the disk being lower for legacy DVD than for BD media. I don't think the vbr-maxrate is the issue.

I have success with the BD35 and BDSP-350 using DVD Architect 5.0 to burn a 18 mbps AVC Blu-ray project to a .iso disk image.

-I use Slysoft's Virtual Clone Drive to unpack the .iso image into the BDMV folders.

- I use Alluringreality's guide to patch the files.

- I burn the BDMV and Certificate folders to a UDF 2.5 legacy disk with Nero Burning ROM.

They play great on the BD35.

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The BD35 would play tsmuxer authored disks from 25 mbps HDV, but would stutter, skip and freeze after about 30 seconds. It's not the authoring causing the problem, it just can't handle the 25 mbps bit rate.

The reason I went to AVC was to lower the bit rate without lowering the quality.


I installed the trial version of DVD Architect Pro 5.0 and can't find "Make Blu-ray". Can you provide any guidance on how to use this software to author Blu-ray Discs?

I installed the trial version of DVD Architect Pro 5.0 and can't find "Make Blu-ray".

It depends on how you set the project properties. If you're set to DVD instead it will say "Make DVD". The project properties are under the file menu or alt+enter.

It depends on how you set the project properties. If you're set to DVD instead it will say "Make DVD". The project properties are under the file menu or alt+enter.

Got it. Thanks.

What file type does h264 video need to be in to be a identified as "All Valid Files" when adding media to a single movie project?

Gents,

i'm new to this forum,from the Netherlands, and I apologize if I ask this question and I could find the answer already in this treads but after reading a lot off topics I stil have not found the anwer for my problem.

I've got a LG H20l Bluray burner and a Pana BD35 standalone player.
After reading and experimenting a lot I've found my way in burning Bluray movies on a 25Gb BDRE disc.
The programs I use the most ar TSmuxer, Imageburn 2.4.2, Nero 8 and Power DVD 7.3
In the beginning I had some problems after erasing the BDRE and put a new movie on it but after I talked with another fanatic on a forum in the UK I solved the problem by leaving the True HD audio stream away while muxing.
I only use the DD5.1 audio but my Yamaha receiver doesn't support True HD audio so thats no problem for me. So far so good you think...:)

My problem is that I bought some 50Gb BDRE's in the UK and after I thought that I just burn the BDMV /Certificate file, without muxing, with Nero 8 my journey in the Bluray burning was back to zero again. When I play the BDRE at my PC with PDVD7.3 there is no problem but if I play it at my Pana BD35 I only see the trailer of the movie company and the disc stops.
I tried to do the burning with Ashampoo 8 and have the same problem.
I tried to Mux the BD with TS muxer and leave all the rubbish off but still no play. I bought the 50Gb BDRE's just to avoid a lot of work but up to now it only give me stress:confused:

Does anyone here on this forum have the solution for my problem?
I'm try to backup Dark Knight, on a TDK 50BDRE burned at 2 speed on my LG H20L.

Greetz Ochi

tdk will fitt on to bd single layer
no need to use bd-50

What file type does h264 video need to be in to be a identified as "All Valid Files" when adding media to a single movie project?

I had read to import video and audio individually from Sony Vegas and use .avc for video. If I use the AVC presets for rendering in Vegas that seems to work so the video will import without transcoding. I still haven't figured out a way to import 23.976 1080p AVC video in a way that DVD Arch 5 will not transcode.

I installed the trial version of DVD Architect Pro 5.0 and can't find "Make Blu-ray". Can you provide any guidance on how to use this software to author Blu-ray Discs?

You can author blu-ray discs using a trial version of DVD Architect Pro 5.0 from AVCHD files(1920 x 1080)?

I thought you had to have the full version to use it to burn blu-ray discs.

You can author blu-ray discs using a trial version of DVD Architect Pro 5.0 from AVCHD files(1920 x 1080)?

I thought you had to have the full version to use it to burn blu-ray discs.

Well I haven't figured that out yet. I'm not going to use it to burn blu-ray discs, just author them. I'll use IMGBurn to do the burning. It would be nice if it did because I'd like to veryify the output before buying.

tdk will fitt on to bd single layer
no need to use bd-50

Sorry but if I use TS muxer and keep the DD5.1 and Dutch subs it stays around 27,5Gb. Can you explane how i put this on a 25Gb:confused:

I gave the Dark Knight as example but it could also be another movie that is 35Gb.
Bought the 50Gb BDRE disc because it should save me work.
I like to here from people who use them how they work it out.
If I need another program please tell me and I will use that but with the programs as use in my question up to now now succes.
I'm sure it's no rocketscience but at this moment i'm out of ideas.

Also when I google, thats how I came to this forum, I can not find the solution.

Greetz Ochi

Well I haven't figured that out yet. I'm not going to use it to burn blu-ray discs, just author them. I'll use IMGBurn to do the burning. It would be nice if it did because I'd like to veryify the output before buying.

I dont think I understood there was a difference between "authoring" and "burning" blu-rays. I thought they were one in the same.

I learn something new everyday from this forum.

Sorry but if I use TS muxer and keep the DD5.1 and Dutch subs it stays around 27,5Gb. Can you explane how i put this on a 25Gb:confused:

I gave the Dark Knight as example but it could also be another movie that is 35Gb.
Bought the 50Gb BDRE disc because it should save me work.
I like to here from people who use them how they work it out.
If I need another program please tell me and I will use that but with the programs as use in my question up to now now succes.
I'm sure it's no rocketscience but at this moment i'm out of ideas.

Also when I google, thats how I came to this forum, I can not find the solution.

Greetz Ochi

hey sorry
i apologies its is 50gb can't fit on 25gb
but i use imgburn it should work

Vamovie no probs!

Gents where are the cracks of bluray burning?
I can not believe that I've got a new problem.
Someone has this problem before and on a big forum like this I think the solution has to be found.

So please give me sugestions how to burn the BDRE 50Gb without problems.
Every day that it's not working I get less hair and I want to avoid getting bold:)

Ochi

My Dark Knight burn to 50GB BDRE works just perfectly.

I'm using IMGBURN w/ a Sony drive - works perfectly - everytime I burn something. Does your software crap out - or does the disc just not play in a player? Mine works fine on PS3.

Have a friend w/ a PS3 that you can test the 50GB burn out on?

What are the thoughts about Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum ProPack Edition for editing and burning full 1920 x 1080 AVCHD files onto blu-ray disc using an LG internal blu-ray burner?

Is this software capable? And I dont really care about sound quality.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

I use pro version of Vegas, and I have no problem with doing the same thing.

And from what I heard Vegas Movie should be able to do the same.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/compare

Is this software capable? And I dont really care about sound quality.

My opinion would be to download the trial and see if it might work for your interests. I know my cousin uses the program and it does what he wants it to do for home video. I looked at the trial and couldn't figure out how to do 24p so I wrote it off as incompatible with my interests, but on the other hand I haven't figured out how to do 24p AVC without transcoding using the pro version either.

I think here is some further discussion on the software http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/12/19/sony-vegas-hints-and-tips/