It does me no pleasure to post this, but in the interest of information and honesty...

Full Blu-ray support has just been added (along with full HD DVD support a few weeks back) to a popular decryptor with a fox for a logo.

Bummer.

I hope by being "cryptic," I have not upset any mods. I guess we'll see.

We all screwed.

well, the fact that BD encryption program is for sale, let's see what BD studios have to say. Will they start releasing on HD DVD? Will they (somewhat) cease producing new BDs a'la HD DVD studios? (I know that's not the official reason given by the HD DVD camp, but it sure feels that way)

this will make the BD camp to implement the BD+ protection on future releases.

This is hilarious...they will never stop unauthorized duplication of media until they do it at the hardware level...like say stop being greedy an d not sell hd dvd/br burners.

It does me no pleasure to post this, but in the interest of information and honesty...

Full Blu-ray support has just been added (along with full HD DVD support a few weeks back) to a popular decryptor with a fox for a logo.

Sorry, but i don't understand the various levels of copy protection, and how they affect product, can anyone give the lowdown?

this will make the BD camp to implement the BD+ protection on future releases.
It won't matter without AACS, and BD+ will be circumvented as well. It's better for all of us anyway.

It's going to be interesting to see how Fox, etc. combat this, and what (if any) additional countermeasures they line up via BD+.

It's going to be interesting to see how Fox, etc. combat this, and what (if any) additional countermeasures they line up via BD+.That people willingly buy into consumer electronics with "countermeasures" is completely beyond me.

For the record, I am not buying the line that the studios will cease HD production over copy protection hacks. They have to release content, it is their life blood. Some money is better than no money, the HD markets are just one more to exploit, and people can (if they are that sort) pirate their material from DVD even easier while the majority don't care about the quality level being up to HD standards.

The only question will be, do the studios want to take the extra money from releasing HD discs, or leave it, because HD movies will not proliferate piracy any more than DVD already has.

That people willingly buy into consumer electronics with "countermeasures" is completely beyond me.

Agreed. BD+ could turn into a PR nightmare for the BDA. We shall see.

Does this mean my BD player may not work after the implementation of BD+?

This is hilarious...they will never stop unauthorized duplication of media until they do it at the hardware level...like say stop being greedy an d not sell hd dvd/br burners.

All they need to do is to bring the MSRP of any software to US$10 (MSRP, not Retail; because in most countries, pricing tends to be very near -- or above -- MSRP, unlike in the US) and they'll stop piracy in most countries where the sales number matters.

Does this mean my BD player may not work after the implementation of BD+?

It might, it might not. I would suspect that it should because that would be one HUGE PR battle! The big wide open question is what is what "neat tricks" programmers come up with here. Think Sony rootkit but this time it won't be your PC...it's even more critical, it's your entertainment... ;)

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Print.aspx?NewsId=17598 (at the bottom)

- Advanced Countermeasure (when basic countermeasure code does not work

BD+ includes the ability to load native code (code that runs directly on the player's host process). It is allowed to deploy it only after it is proven that basic countermeasure code cannot address the hack.

According to the BDA, to successfully attack the BD+ system, pirates would have to overcome the AV content security system (e.g. extract AACS keys) and also overcome title-specific security code (e.g. reverse engineer security code).

As a last note, the BD+ Content Code works only while Disc with the code is loaded. After its ejection, the BD player will return to its state before the code is loaded.

In addition, the BD+ Key is available to cryptographically differentiate the target, hacked player from non-hacked, legitimate players so that BD+ Content Code can work on such hacked player identified with BD+ Key.

The BDA Association believes that the BD+ content code should be included by Studios on a title-by-title basis.

Isn't this the BD group whole reason for being. I believe the promise of better mouse trap was the main reason FOX sided to one side.

All they need to do is to bring the MSRP of any software to US$10 (MSRP, not Retail; because in most countries, pricing tends to be very near -- or above -- MSRP, unlike in the US) and they'll stop piracy in most countries where the sales number matters.


If they did this and had new releases for 15.99 us i would own every hd dvd/br there was. :D

If they did this and had new releases for 15.99 us i would own every hd dvd/br there was. :D

I would probably and most likely cancel my netflix rental and start buying movies again. I say I have bought about 5 titles in the last 3 years since I started renting.

Simple. Lower the price in half and they will probably sell 5 times or more in numbers.

That people willingly buy into consumer electronics with "countermeasures" is completely beyond me.

Because some people don't want to spend the time downloading the movies. Especially here in the UK where connections aren't as fast. Not to mention buidling/maintaining a PC with HD DVD/Blu Ray drives/burners. At the moment, for the same amount of money you could legally own a player and (probably) all the titles you want. Not to mention windows crashing half way through a movie

It now removes region coding on BD as well.

That's a huge plus for a European like me -- to the point that I would now consider buying BluRay, when I never would before.

Even though DVD copy protection was broken almost immediately, it has been a huge financial success. With DVD, the studios wanted no copying onto your PC. Even today they refuse to allow digital up conversion from DVD players. That is completely ridiculous.

HDCP was never the method that would stop copying but they shoved that down our throats. How much did that cost the consumer? Are we done replacing our graphics cards, displays, receivers and preamps? Are we to believe that the studios and CE manufactures do not understand this? Of course, they do, but look at all the upgrades we have been buying.

OK, now we have displays and you can or cannot sell us content. Hmmm. Let's see, what do you think they will do? I fully expect FOX/Sony/Disney worry and delay titles until they see other studies making money and then they will cut the crap. Think DIVX.

The last great security upgrade was SACD and DVD-Audio. Great copy protection. For years no digital connection when CD had it. Excellent control and security and guess what. No sales.

Personally, I think this will help the HD format, users like me feel like there is some freedom of use with the content we buy. For example, should I be able to make a backup copy. People who think that is unnecessary do not have children.

To this day, it is difficult to purchase and download SD movies and burn a copy legally, but it is can be done illegally. How frigging dumb is this. So you want freedom to use the content you purchase. Absolutely not!

It comes down to this. We want HD content with the freedom that was provided with DVD SD content. Like it or not the genie is out of the bottle. Ignore that at your peril studios.

Oh yes, they learned their lesson and gave us mandatory managed copy!
Really, anybody made one :p Guess what, we just got mandatory unmanaged copy ;)

- Rich

Because some people don't want to spend the time downloading the movies. Especially here in the UK where connections aren't as fast. Not to mention buidling/maintaining a PC with HD DVD/Blu Ray drives/burners. At the moment, for the same amount of money you could legally own a player and (probably) all the titles you want. Not to mention windows crashing half way through a movie
I dont think you got what he was trying to say. Why pay for something example BD+ that in no way helps your viewing experience and in many ways inherently makes it a lot worse (longer load time, jacks up cost, no fair use). BD/PS3 supporters remind of those guys that are into S&M that like getting repeatably getting kicked in the nuts for pleasure.

well, the fact that BD encryption program is for sale, let's see what BD studios have to say. Will they start releasing on HD DVD? Will they (somewhat) cease producing new BDs a'la HD DVD studios? (I know that's not the official reason given by the HD DVD camp, but it sure feels that way)

What are you talking about. Did you read the whole thing?. HD DVD has been decrypted by that program few weeks ago.

Before attacking someone about not reading, I suggest you read my post carefully. Did you read my post at all? or you just don't understand my post? It seems like I need to spell things out here.

now that BOTH BD and HD DVD have been cracked, there is no more copyright advantage on BD, will the studios now also release on both HD DVD and BD or do they go the other way round and stalling BD releases a'la HD DVD?

Time for FURTHER clarification (since you don't seem to understand my English):

"Will they (somewhat) cease producing new BDs a'la HD DVD studios?" that sentence CLEARLY alludes that I know about HD DVD code have been cracked. The sentence itself means "will they slow down production of BD just like HD DVD's production slow down after the HD DVD have been cracked?".

If you still don't understand my post, oh well.

I've been waiting for this. This is partly why I use a HTPC. I don't give a crap about ripping or copying, but I want to avoid HDCP and region coding.