http://www.nypost.com/seven/03082007/entertainment/blu_ray_ascending_entertainment_lou_lumenick.htm?page=1
PS3 PUSH GIVES EDGE IN VIDEO FORMAT WAR

By LOU LUMENICK

March 8, 2007 -- 'THE Departed" recently premiered on two new - and utterly incompatible - video for mats in addition to standard DVD.

Now the war between those formats, which has been almost as brutal as the clashes in Martin Scorsese's movie, seems to be coming to a head.

For the first time, in the first two months of 2007 total sales of Blu-ray discs passed those of HD DVD, according to the most recent figures from Nielsen VideoScan.

And propelled by the introduction of Sony's PlayStation 3 - which can play Blu-ray technology - sales of Blu-ray discs have exploded to nearly three times those of HD DVD discs since Christmas.

It's the first clear sign that consumers are choosing sides in the nastiest video format war since VHS emerged victorious over Sony's Betamax machines in the 1980s.

"The format war is in its final phase," crows Steve Feldstein of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, which, like Sony and Disney, is releasing titles exclusively on Blu-ray. "It's never been a question of if Blu-ray will pass HD DVD, but a matter of when."

Not so fast, says Ken Graffeo of Universal Studios Home Entertainment, the only major studio exclusively supporting the embattled HD DVD format, which was developed by Toshiba. (Warner Home Video and Paramount Home Video are producing titles in both formats for now.)

Graffeo blames the recent surge for Blu-ray on the paucity of new titles on HD DVD - about half the number of titles released by Blu-ray since the beginning of the year - and argues Blu-ray sales are actually much lower than you would expect, given the huge number of PS3s out there.

"You can't determine a trend over a couple of months," says Graffeo, who notes that total sales for both formats are roughly equal since their introductions last year.

But some experts are ready to play taps for the HD DVD format - and are saying it's safe to buy Blu-ray players without fear they'll end up being sold as relics on eBay.

Alison Casey, who analyzes consumer trends for London-based Understanding & Solutions, predicts that retailers will pull the plug on HD DVD sometime next year.

Actually a pretty balanced article. Both sides are presented fairly.

Whats the circulation figures for the NY post?

From NY Business.com

The News Corp.-owned paper had an average daily circulation of 704,011 copies in the six months ended Sept 30, up 5% from last year’s numbers

"The format war is in its final phase," crows Steve Feldstein of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, which, like Sony and Disney, is releasing titles exclusively on Blu-ray. "It's never been a question of if Blu-ray will pass HD DVD, but a matter of when."

I assume everyone knew this before he said it, right ???

Blu-Ray having so many exclusive and popular studios meant they probably won "the war" before it started.

700,000 consumers just got a heads up in the format war, that article is not good news for hd-dvd.

Well I was under the assumption that DVD won the war.

All studio support
More content at this date
Bigger sales number
More players sold
Biggest attach rate
Cheaper discs

And you dont even need a HD ready device to se the advantages of DVD.

... sales of Blu-ray discs have exploded to nearly three times those of HD DVD discs since Christmas...

... more like 2:1 currently.

This is very good press for News Corps. other big business, Fox Studios.

Figures pale into insignificance when quotes like

"retailers will pull the plug on hd-dvd early next year" are left ingrained in the reader of that articles mind ;)

This is very good press for News Corps. other big business, Fox Studios.

Nice point! This format war is being fought on many different levels, what better way to persuade J6P to plump for the format you have a vested interest in, than by rubbishing the opposition through a massive selling medium like the press ;)

We can have silly polls and argue the toss all day long on HD forums, but when hard hitting news articles start appearing in widely read publications, this will have a much bigger effect on potential buyers than we can ever hope to have.

Alls fair in love and war I guess.

... more like 2:1 currently.
I have seen it consistently go up to 3:1 on Amazon in the last month.

Well I was under the assumption that DVD won the war.

All studio support
More content at this date
Bigger sales number
More players sold
Biggest attach rate
Cheaper discs

And you dont even need a HD ready device to se the advantages of DVD.

That's like saying that VHS has won the war against DVD when DVD launched.

I have seen it consistently go up to 3:1 on Amazon in the last month.



That's like saying that VHS has won the war against DVD when DVD launched.
No one thought VHS was as good as DVD, and enthusiasts were still hanging on to laserdisc. On top of that it's 2007 not 1997. There are a lot more people buying this stuff now. I suspect if one looked at the whole issue statistically, BD/HDDVD is not selling as well as DVD did, and maybe not as well as LD did. I promise neither will take over the market in 3 years.

I can agree 3 years is too short a time to supplant DVD, but the flip side is that if BD was ever 10% of unit DVD sales, we can be certain that the jump from 10% to 50% will happen much quicker than the 0%-10% rise. Giant behemoths in revenue like DVDs do not fall slowly, once they topple, their descent will be swift and over fast. Witness the pain even plateauing of sales of DVD is causing current participants in the DVD foodchain.

Could take up to 5 years though.

That's like saying that VHS has won the war against DVD when DVD launched.

You beat me to it ;)

I forgot to add that when DVD came around there weren't hundreds of good VHS titles to be had for >$10. This is a tough enviroment for expensive formats like BD and HDDVD to get going in. This is also the Walmart era, DVD didn't have to deal with that either. If one honestly compares 1997 to 2007, there is little hope that HD discs will be more than a niche market.

"The format war is in its final phase," crows Steve Feldstein of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, which, like Sony and Disney, is releasing titles exclusively on Blu-ray. "It's never been a question of if Blu-ray will pass HD DVD, but a matter of when."

I assume everyone knew this before he said it, right ???

Blu-Ray having so many exclusive and popular studios meant they probably won "the war" before it started.
Wow. And the BD types here castigate HD insiders here for promoting their products, while they affirm outright lies from their side.

I can agree 3 years is too short a time to supplant DVD, but the flip side is that if BD was ever 10% of unit DVD sales, we can be certain that the jump from 10% to 50% will happen much quicker than the 0%-10% rise. Giant behemoths in revenue like DVDs do not fall slowly, once they topple, their descent will be swift and over fast. Witness the pain even plateauing of sales of DVD is causing current participants in the DVD foodchain.

Could take up to 5 years though.

Yes. The same pace the adoption of HD television is occurring. A steadied pace. The adoption will be inevitable because that's the way television and media is heading. So sd hasn't won anything. It's being slowly supplanted by a level of clarity and saturation of color which is a part of life. And who knows, the resolution certainly won't stop at 1920x1080. We expect progession in technology not flatlining.

Wow. And the BD types here castigate HD insiders here for promoting their products, while they affirm outright lies from their side.

Puh-leeze... Fox is a recurrent punching bag here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745104
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783277
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=718034

Puh-leeze... Fox is a recurrent punching bag here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745104
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783277
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=718034

How do those threads disprove what he said? For that matter, how does your statement disprove what he said?

I don't think I understand your point, sorry.

I forgot to add that when DVD came around there weren't hundreds of good VHS titles to be had for >$10. This is a tough enviroment for expensive formats like BD and HDDVD to get going in. This is also the Walmart era, DVD didn't have to deal with that either. If one honestly compares 1997 to 2007, there is little hope that HD discs will be more than a niche market.

Every format has its time. Each usually only lasting 10 years. VHS had its decade, as did DVD. Now it's Blu-rays time. Blu-ray has more consumer/CE/Hollywood support than any format before it.

Blu-ray is doing no worse than DVD or VHS did at this point in their existence so I don’t see how you can say that is will become a niche product.

FFS :mad: Do any threads stay on topic in this nut house :mad:

How long before some idiot mentions that infernal Wii machine in this thread :D

Graffeo blames the recent surge for Blu-ray on the paucity of new titles on HD DVD - about half the number of titles released by Blu-ray since the beginning of the year

Anyone else find this funny considering the source? Blu-ray is winning because we didn't release movies for three months.....

Whilst I concur with the theme of the article (BR inevitable victory and everyone knows it), I have to say, Understanding and Solutions have been singing to BRs' success for quite some time now...

Whilst I concur with the theme of the article (BR inevitable victory and everyone knows it), I have to say, Understanding and Solutions have been singing to BRs' success for quite some time now...

Regardless if solutions are in bed with the BDA, this type of negative press is not what hd-dvd need at this time. Are BDA using all tactics at their disposal to stigmatize hd-dvd?

Graffeo blames the recent surge for Blu-ray on the paucity of new titles on HD DVD - about half the number of titles released by Blu-ray since the beginning of the year
Anyone else find this funny considering the source? Blu-ray is winning because we didn't release movies for three months.....
I was also surprised he said that for obvious reasons you staed, but then things are kind of strange when you get spokespeople who are not decision makers left to fend for themselves among the piranhas of the press.

Every format has its time. Each usually only lasting 10 years. VHS had its decade, as did DVD. Now it's Blu-rays time. Blu-ray has more consumer/CE/Hollywood support than any format before it.

Blu-ray is doing no worse than DVD or VHS did at this point in their existence so I don’t see how you can say that is will become a niche product.


There is a big difference in going between VHS to DVD and going DVD to HD.

DVD gave the consumer alot more benefits than just increase in resolution. The new hd discs give more resolution and better sound only.

Lets take a family were they have a 32inch tv and a dvd player. How much gain will they have switching to HD? Well for starters they must have a HD ready tv. And even if they have HD, on 32inch with normal viewing space isnt that great. As for sound i doubt they will here any difference. So is it worth replacing their dvd collection?

DVD was for everyone when it came. HD is for a few. Sure in the future everyone will have HD sets, but were not there yet.

HD must come down to prices thats its no more expensive to buy a hd player than a ordinary DVD player.

There is a big difference in going between VHS to DVD and going DVD to HD.


HD must come down to prices thats its no more expensive to buy a hd player than a ordinary DVD player.


I 'll agree that I think the tipping-point price structure is far lower than some want to fess up to, way below $300, maybe about $175 tops. Also the software has to get to cost no more than $3 list than SD list with just as many sales and discounts. People may not want to double-dip at all on HD titles let alone at $29-$39 list.

I was also surprised he said that for obvious reasons you staed, but then things are kind of strange when you get spokespeople who are not decision makers left to fend for themselves among the piranhas of the press.

Agreed, Ken Graffeo probably had his words twisted.

According to the logic in the article... DVD just won the format war and HD-DVD/Blu Ray are dead in the water.

Are there job openings at the NY Post? Looks like I could write about technology for them and even make a little sense while doing it.

Here's another article touting BD's victory, from the respected publication Video Business.

Blu-ray wins, no war (http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6266816)


Just so there's no confusion, it was written in October of 2005.

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!


Just to show a flaw in the BD camp logic.


Just because BD got a boost thanks to PS3 doesnt mean that they will win the war. P3 is still expensive and attract a very small customer base.

So statistic dont say so much as some BD fans tries to make them.

Whats the step for BD to be mainstream?

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!
not in reference to my post I hope

I mean it sounds like it would be... but you'd have to assume I'm a fan of a media format... which in my mind is about the dumbest thing to be a fan of.

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!
Please don't turn into one of "those guys" Rusty.

I assume everyone knew this before he said it, right ???

Those of us who aren't blinded by FUD. Clearly those people who bought into the HD DVD lies either didn't believe or were happy to waste there money.

Wow. And the BD types here castigate HD insiders here for promoting their products, while they affirm outright lies from their side.

Are you accusing Cain of affirming outright lies? Where are the lies that are being affirmed?

The format war is like two boxers fighting for the right to be the title contender. One boxer knocks the other down. The downed boxer looks up and says, "You may have knocked me down but the champ's gonna kick your arse!" It's a laughable comment to me.

Please don't turn into one of "those guys" Rusty.
We call “those guys” realists.

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!

What are you if not a fanboy? :rolleyes:

Even with all the vitriol spewed in AVS threads, I fully expect every single poster to get behind the winning HD format (if one of them wins that is). They might not buy the opposing format right away but I can't imagine anyone here sticking with DVD over the next-gen HD format and hoping DVD wins in the long run.

Even with all the vitriol spewed in AVS threads, I fully expect every single poster to get behind the winning HD format (if one of them wins that is). They might not buy the opposing format right away but I can't imagine anyone here sticking with DVD over the next-gen HD format and hoping DVD wins in the long run.


No one at AVS is a big fan of SD DVD. But we aint the usual consumer.

Im just a Movieloving person that would hate it if gamers dictate how we watch our movies in the future. ;)

With the exception of clerks 2, most of the titles I buy are not exclusive, they are warner titles. They should be releasing jaws, et, jurassic park... granted they are releasing a few good titles from the recent universal studios list, but not enough for me. If hd-dvd loses the format war, it will be universals fault. As the only hd-dvd format netrual studio, and one of the largest studios in the world, they need to be releasing 8-10 titles per month. If prices of blu-ray players drop to near hd-dvd player prices, disc prices drop a bit as well, and enough titles are selling, universal will have to switch sides, then I can go buy ONE player and watch every movie on it. Of course I wanted hd-dvd to eventually win, because I only have an hd-dvd player, but I only paid $200 for it, and at this point, I just want to watch every movie on one player in one format. I don't care who it is at this point. This whole format war has really pissed me off.

I may be mistaken, but isnt the Post owned by Murdoch, who also owns Fox?

If true, isnt this a bit like Sony saying they won?

Those of us who aren't blinded by FUD. Clearly those people who bought into the HD DVD lies either didn't believe or were happy to waste there money.

Blinded by FUD? Lied to? (You make it sound like the tobacco industry or something) I bought an HD DVD player last May months before I bought my PS3. I knew very well there was a chance that it would be obselete. I have ZERO regrets, as it will always be my primary DVD player for upconversion. Even if HD DVD goes away, it was and is worth every penny. (Watching Kong still is great) BTW, this whole ordeal isn't over yet anyway. This notion of "wasting my money" or being decieved" is laughable. That puppy has and will continue to get lots of use, probably till it dies. Some should get off their high horse. Having both formats is great. I swear it's like some look at this format war as one defending their religion or something. This is HD, it's great. We don't have to worship the BDA.

I may be mistaken, but isnt the Post owned by Murdoch, who also owns Fox?

If true, isnt this a bit like Sony saying they won?

What difference does it make? They don't own Videoscan...and those numbers aren't lying.

If the HD format war is over ... if this is the best HD-DVD could do and they aren't able to muster any type of competitive response to reverse the first pro-Blue-Ray trend ... there should be high level investigations into the HD-DVD coalition. Shareholders were snookered. Consumers were snookered. A lot of money was wasted by incompetent, bumbling fools who thought the term "DVD" was enough to decide things.

My sense is that this war is not over and that efforts will be forthcoming on behalf of HD-DVD. Will they work? Dunno. But it's a bit early for dancing on graves. And I wouldn't break the bank building a BlueRay collection unless you're a PS3 gamer [edit] or filthy rich.

The perception is beginning to develop that "Blu-ray is winning".

I have a number of friends that are waiting for the format war to end (quite a few) but who have been ignoring it. Occasionally, they ask me for details.

In the past two weeks, a few of them have said, "Hey, I hear Blu-ray is winning, is that right?" I then launch into the details to whatever extent they are willing to listen.

If the HD format war is over ... if this is the best HD-DVD could do and they aren't able to muster any type of competitive response to reverse the first pro-Blue-Ray trend ... there should be high level investigations into the HD-DVD coalition. Shareholders were snookered. Consumers were snookered. A lot of money was wasted by incompetent, bumbling fools who thought the term "DVD" was enough to decide things.

My sense is that this war is not over and that efforts will be forthcoming on behalf of HD-DVD. Will they work? Dunno. But it's a bit early for dancing on graves. And I wouldn't break the bank building a BlueRay collection unless you're a PS3 gamer [edit] or filthy rich.

What can they do? They don't have Fox, Disney, MGM or Sony. That and the PS3 are killing them.

The perception is beginning to develop that "Blu-ray is winning".

I have a number of friends that are waiting for the format war to end (quite a few) but who have been ignoring it. Occasionally, they ask me for details.

In the past two weeks, a few of them have said, "Hey, I hear Blu-ray is winning, is that right?" I then launch into the details to whatever extent they are willing to listen.

Yes thats the tactic of BDA to yell that they won long before they actually have. And it has 3 purposes.

1. It help market BD
2. It makes consumers fel safe with BD purchase
3. It makes other consumers uncertain if they want to jump on HD DVD

On the other hand, it could backfire on them.

Yes thats the tactic of BDA to yell that they won long before they actually have. And it has 3 purposes.

1. It help market BD
2. It makes consumers fel safe with BD purchase
3. It makes other consumers uncertain if they want to jump on HD DVD

On the other hand, it could backfire on them.

This kind of behaviour is not new.

I recently re-read a lot of material from last summer. Toshiba/Microsoft et al. were saying much the same thing then about how they were winning the format war. Universal made some very strong statements, really trashed Blu-ray publicly.

Well surely the perception is that Blu-ray is winning. They have 67% of the market, as compared to 33% from HD DVD. Although that's far different then saying BD has won, (which a few BD supporters have been trying to say for a few years now.)

Who cares what the media says?. Heck, who cares if BD wins?

Why?

Average consumer will still think its too much dang $$$.

BD wins, its stuff sits on the shelf, while the consumer downloads,buys more DVD, and waits for the price of BD to hit under 200 bucks.

So really it would be one down, and one to go, and let me tell you the average consumer is much harder to beat down than HDDVD is.

Who cares what the media says?. Heck, who cares if BD wins?

Why?

Average consumer will still think its too much dang $$$.

BD wins, its stuff sits on the shelf, while the consumer downloads,buys more DVD, and waits for the price of BD to hit under 200 bucks.

So really it would be one down, and one to go, and let me tell you the average consumer is much harder to beat down than HDDVD is.

The average consumer is not the current market target.

The average consumer is not the current market target.

Ok, so Sony and gang could care less about them.

LOL

Very smart business.

The average consumer is not the current market target.

No not with thoose prices ;)


But both sides will need to expand to that market. Because the current market is so small that its not worth it for the companys to release on either format.

The average comsumer ISN'T the target market for either format right now.

Some of the cheap deals we are getting on players in the $100 to $200 range are not common. One the price does hit this margin, average joe will be part of the equation.

It doesn't matter who is winning right now, since the average consumer couldn't care less because the players are above the target pricing. Once they hit under the $200 retail mark, the average comsumer will decide. Blu Ray products have a long way to go to beat HD DVD to that market.

But both sides will need to expand to that market. Because the current market is so small that its not worth it for the companys to release on either format.

And yet they do.

No one at AVS is a big fan of SD DVD. But we aint the usual consumer.

Im just a Movieloving person that would hate it if gamers dictate how we watch our movies in the future. ;)

Lets see with HD-DVD you would watch a movie by inserting a small shiny disk into a player and pressing the play button. How is BD any different.

Funny the author doesn't mention HD DVD players are outselling blu-ray by a 3:1 margin.
Another factor is the price advantage in software and hardware for HD DVD.
The PS3 has had it's impact, but I'm sure Sony is quite nervous the PS3 isn't selling like they had hoped. Imagine how many would be sitting on store shelves if Sony hits the 6M target by the end of this month?

And yet they do.


Yes they do and its not about the current market, its about the big market. They must start somewere. They need content to make people buy players and they need players to sell content.

Buts its completely wrong to think that any of the camp would be happy with so small numbers like todays numbers.

Funny the author doesn't mention HD DVD players are outselling blu-ray by a 3:1 margin.
Another factor is the price advantage in software and hardware for HD DVD.
The PS3 has had it's impact, but I'm sure Sony is quite nervous the PS3 isn't selling like they had hoped. Imagine how many would be sitting on store shelves if Sony hits the 6M target by the end of this month?

It's even funnier that you can't find a single current source to support your assertions.

Lets see with HD-DVD you would watch a movie by inserting a small shiny disk into a player and pressing the play button. How is BD any different.

Well region coding and BD+ as a start.

Buts its completely wrong to think that any of the camp would be happy with so small numbers like todays numbers.

That would depend on their expectations and what they beleive today's numbers tell them about future sales.

Given most homes don't have HDTVs installed, I suspect that their initial sales expectations are quite modest. However, the exclusive studios will be concerned with the market share of their chosen format. Should the current sales advantage enjoyed by BD continue or even widen, Universal might rethink its position.

HD DVD's ship is sinking so the fanboys are jumping on the DVD bandwagon. LOL!

Post like these (from EITHER side) are really stupid. It's like a bunch of grammar school kids for godsake!!! STOP with all this fanboy crap already! I don't care WHICH side, just grow up. I posted something in the Blu Ray software forum (which was my opinion about picture quality), and people started calling me names just stopping short of threatening me!!


I have BOTH formats and allthough I PREFER HD-DVD, I will support WHATEVER FORMAT PREVAILS! I just want movies in the best quality possible. If Blu ray is the clear winner, fine. So, I guess you can call me a HD fanboy! (I better not joke because this may turn into a SD vs HD battle, and I wouldn't want to be accused of picking fights)

Who cares what the media says?. Heck, who cares if BD wins?

Why?

Average consumer will still think its too much dang $$$.

BD wins, its stuff sits on the shelf, while the consumer downloads,buys more DVD, and waits for the price of BD to hit under 200 bucks.

So really it would be one down, and one to go, and let me tell you the average consumer is much harder to beat down than HDDVD is.We live in a material world where people’s pimped possessions are given a great deal of importance and status. The US is a consumer nation, second only to China.

We are always striving to keep up with the Joneses. Unfortunately, for most of us the Joneses lives in a much nicer neighborhood and have way more money. IIRC, the average household carries $8,000 in credit card debt trying to keep up with those a-hole Joneses.

Also, if the print and television media says something over and over again, we tend to believe it. People still believe that WMDs were found in Iraq because the President said over and over that we would find them.

If Sony can get the media to say Blu-ray won and you’re missing out if you’re not watching highdef, people will believe it and buy into the format.

“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”

The PS3 has had it's impact, but I'm sure Sony is quite nervous the PS3 isn't selling like they had hoped. Imagine how many would be sitting on store shelves if Sony hits the 6M target by the end of this month?
I think the real answer to this is that the price point on the PS3 is right where it needs to be for the moment. If it had released even $100 lower, it would be sold out everywhere the same way the Wii is, and we'd be complaining about shortages while Sony would be scratching their heads about more losses than necessary. :)

As for the PS3 impact being over... last time I checked, they're still selling. Titles are now starting to arrive. There have already been a couple of solid new titles on the PS3 (Virtua Fighter 5, Motorstorm), and there are new titles arriving every week or two now, which will do nothing except accelerate sales, as with any newly launched console.

So no, the "PS3 effect" isn't gone... it's still continuing. Are these new buyers any less interested in movies? I hardly think so - why else are horrible transfers of popular titles like The Fifth Element selling so well at brick and mortars (if Rentrak can be trusted, that is)? It's certainly not the HT crowd that is buying T5E.

I know, I know blu-ray has won- they won before the "format war" even started- and man do those blu-ray supporters really hate HD DVD because ONE FORMAT would solve everyhing-

Just to recap once again-

Blu-Ray launched w/ $1000 plus players
Initial blu ray releases were of inferior quality
There was no incentive to price product because they already "won"

BOTH parties should be be extremely thankful for the "format war"-

Do you think Sony would have released a $599 player if toshiba didn't aggressively price their player?

Do you think FOX would sell a Blu-Ray disc for less than $30 w/o competition from HD DVD?

Do you think there would be a 50% off sale at Amazon w/o the pressure from HD DVD?

Do you think Sony would have packaged Talladega Nights and Casino Royale w/ PS3s w/o the HD DVD add on from MS?

Do you think Toshiba would be offering 5 free movies w/ a player if not for Blu-ray?

Do you think we would have 2nd generation toshiba players this fast w/o Blu ray?

Do you think the "value" players from Chinese firms would be courted this soon if not for the competition?

Do you really think you would be seeing day/date and tier one blockbuster releases if both sides were not trying to gain advantage?- look how long this took w/ DVD

Do you think you would have numerous firmware updates if there was no competition?

Ultimately if one side prevails or if both exist as "niche" products we will end up w/ sub $300 players, consistent quality releases, and reasonably priced software all within a YEAR OF LAUNCH.

This would not have happened if there were only "One Format"

Please don't believe Sony, FOX, Toshiba, or MS has your interests at heart- this is all about generating revenue- none of these companies care about you or deserve your blind support.

Cheers Kevin

Post like these (from EITHER side) are really stupid. It's like a bunch of grammar school kids for godsake!!! STOP with all this fanboy crap already! I don't care WHICH side, just grow up. I posted something in the Blu Ray software forum (which was my opinion about picture quality), and people started calling me names just stopping short of threatening me!!


I have BOTH formats and allthough I PREFER HD-DVD, I will support WHATEVER FORMAT PREVAILS! I just want movies in the best quality possible. If Blu ray is the clear winner, fine. So, I guess you can call me a HD fanboy! (I better not joke because this may turn into a SD vs HD battle, and I wouldn't want to be accused of picking fights)What's stupid is saying, "DVD won the HD format war!" You only hear that from HD DVD fanboys trying to knock Blu-ray down. It's the same thing with the Wii. What difference does it make if the Wii outsells the PS3? The only thing that matters is that the PS3 with its Blu-ray drive is outselling HD DVD players by a wide margin and software sales, according to the article in the OP, are 3:1. DVD and the Wii are gonna save HD DVD? I don't think so.

Sorry, you don't like it but I just can't let those "really stupid" comments slide by.

It's even funnier that you can't find a single current source to support your assertions.

Actually, the part about PS3 not selling like it should is pure fact. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

We live in a material world where people’s pimped possessions are given a great deal of importance and status. The US is a consumer nation, second only to China.

We are always striving to keep up with the Joneses. Unfortunately, for most of us the Joneses lives in a much nicer neighborhood and have way more money. IIRC, the average household carries $8,000 in credit card debt trying to keep up with those a-hole Joneses.

Also, if the print and television media says something over and over again, we tend to believe it. People still believe that WMDs were found in Iraq because the President said over and over that we would find them.

If Sony can get the media to say Blu-ray won and you’re missing out if you’re not watching highdef, people will believe it and buy into the format.

“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”

The media can say it over and over and over all it wants. Will the media give away money to these souls? If they cant afford it, they cant afford it

The media can say it over and over and over all it wants. Will the media give away money to these souls? If they cant afford it, they cant afford itHence the $8,000 in average credit card debt.

Actually, the part about PS3 not selling like it should is pure fact. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Who decided how it should sell?? You?

What's stupid is saying, "DVD won the HD format war!"

I dont think anyone has saying DVD won the HD war (DVD is SD and ED). But the fact is that DVD is the established format. And the P3 sales arnt that big that it could change that.

To win the HD war you must hit the big market.

I dont think anyone has saying DVD won the HD war (DVD is SD and ED). But the fact is that DVD is the established format. And the P3 sales arnt that big that it could change that.

To win the HD war you must hit the big market.LOL. The OP is about the video format war. And YOU said DVD won it!

It's like a bunch of grammar school kids for godsake!!! And there's the bell. Class dismissed.