A lot of members in the $3000 and down forum have owned the 4805/ some even up or side graded to the brighter quieter ( not to mention $300 cheaper ) IN72 .

Now with the price drop and reported performance on the Mits entry level 720 HD1000u I now notice a big wave of buyers jumping infocus ship hopping into Mitsubishi's boat.


If you use to own a 4805 or IN72 and purchased or viewed the Mits Hd1000u

could you give Me and the other undecided fence sitters reading this post your thoughts and reviews comparing the infocus's performance to the Mit's unit .

IS it Truly worth upgrading the infocus to Mit paying the extra $300 ??

Will we see a great difference in.. :)

brightness ,contrast ,black levels,color accuracy fan noise.
the more reviews the better .

thanks for taking the time to write your personal review .

cheers

I am one such jumper :) I just went from the 4805 to the HD1000u. For me the main reason was: 1. I just upgraded to a larger (103") screen. 2. My old bulb was on its way out and I had had some issues (though they were fixed) with the 4805. 3. I wanted to upgrade my resolution HD.

So far I will say this.

1. The Mits is MUCH quieter than the infocus. SO much so it eas the very first comment my wife made, and she usually does not notice these kind of things.

2. After watching them side by side it was VERY clear to see the increased detail visible on the Mits. Much sharper image.

Now I will not comment much on the other stuff yet as I have not truly diealed the thing in yet. In my case the Mits has required much more setup and tweaking then the 4805. Others may be different. I am however happy with the decision to upgrade.

In my case the Mits has required much more setup and tweaking then the 4805. Others may be different. I am however happy with the decision to upgrade

Mark thanks for your personal review.and opinion.

I will say my In72 is also Much quieter then the Legendary 4805.

You mentioned tweaking .

Do you think the average Joe could handle such a task . i'm sure a lot of people are wondering if there will be special tools or skill needed to tweek the HD1000.


cheers :)

I have owned all 3 projectors and currently using the Hd1000u
I think the In72 had the best out of the box calibration
the sp4805 was my first pj So i didn't know really what was good or bad at the time but looking back I would say it was good but not as good as the In72.
The Hd1000u I think is much better then both units. It needed just a little calibration but i found the colors to be close to the IN72 with minor adjustments and it is for sure much brighter and its 720p but if I had not planned to go to a bigger screen and wouldnt be watching HD material I would have kept my In72..

I have owned all 3 projectors and currently using the Hd1000u
I think the In72 had the best out of the box calibration
the sp4805 was my first pj So i didn't know really what was good or bad at the time but looking back I would say it was good but not as good as the In72.
The Hd1000u I think is much better then both units. It needed just a little calibration but i found the colors to be close to the IN72 with minor adjustments and it is for sure much brighter and its 720p but if I had not planned to go to a bigger screen and wouldnt be watching HD material I would have kept my In72..
Did you happen to be one of the many to MAP the Bravo D1 to either 4805/IN72 units ?? .And if so could you give us your opinion on the standard DVD viewing Quality vs. the MIts hd1000 .

cheers

I received my HD1000U on Friday, but due to my daughter's sleep-over birthday party I could not play with it until yesterday. Here are my initial impressions coming over to the HD1000U from the InFocus SP4805 : (caveat - ALL of my connections were done over component cables only - I do not have HDMI run to the projector yet! HDMI may cause your results to vary considerably...)

Set-up:
room = 18.5' Length x 11 ' Width x 7'8" High (with some very interesting soffits due to building in a basement); total light control, screen wall is dark Navy color, ceiling is white, walls are textured gold (attempting to recreate Notre Dame's uniform colors).

screen = ~100" Parkland Plastics Homemade screen in use (actually runs off the screen bottom a bit due to width restrictions of a 4' x 8' panel - needed 49" width for 100" 16:9 screen and I just deal with it rather than replace screen, yet - soon to be replaced with 110" DIY painted screen).

Equipment:
AVR - Denon AVR-1906
DVD - Denon DVM 1805 (SD-DVD) - uses DCDi, very nice when matched to the 4805.
HD-DVD - Microsoft XB360 Add-on (USB to 360, component cables to PJ)
Blu-Ray - Sony PS3 (also running components until new HDMI cable is obtained and placed in walls to run to ceilign mount.
HD-OTA - Motorolla Voom box via Zenith antenna (works great for the OTA stuff)
HD-Sat. - Dish Network Dish 811 (inactive as of yet - runs upstairs only at the moment)

Previous projector - In-Focus ScreenPlay 4805 (480p native DLP)

General Thoughts:
Across multiple sources, I really enjoyed having that HD "pop" to the images that was frequently missing on the 4805; this is going to be a frequent comment for me, as one of the things that led me to upgrade from the 4805 was the apparent lack of clarity and detail from within 2X screen width on HD source material. When I compared HD-DVD, Blu-ray, or HD-broadcasts on my 1080p RPTV to the image I was getting on the 4805, the lack of native resolution was readily apparent to me and generally fueled my upgrade bug....

I am completely satisfied that moving from 480p to 720p was a worthwhile move to make. For one, my theater room is no longer embarassed by my family room TV when it comes to HD source material, sure it is not 1080p (yet - that will have to wait a few more years I'm afraid), but it is native HD and my eyes can certainly tell the difference... For the price the HD1000U is available at, and considering that I was going to need a new bulb soon (my 4805 was at 2200 hours on the original bulb) and that I can unload my used 4805 for anywhere from $200 to $300, it was a no brainer cost-wise. I figure in the end, I was going to drop at least $350 on a new bulb anyway. Get back $250 by selling the 4805 on E-Bay and the upgrade cost for me was less than a decent upconverting DVD player...at least that is how I convinced myself...lol. (It was just an opportunity to move up in resolution that I could pass up.)

Some Positives / Favorable comparisons to SP4805 image:
- XB360 on it is phenomenal...rivals my 1080p Mitsubishi DLP-RPTV and is light years better than the 4805 from my viewing position (I have moved up to sit 11 ft back from the 100" screen now, which I hope to expand to 110" - previously I had some serious SDE and pixellation from 13.5' back from the 100" screen) Details in COD3 and Battlefield 2 made them feel like new games again and Gears of War is just amazing. Games like Madden and Tiger Woods look a lot better as well, although those EA sports titles seemed to show more jaggies on them than the other shooter games were...

- I also have the HD-DVD drive for the 360 and it looks very nice as well. I would say it is about a 35% increase in PQ (very rough estimate obviously) over the same unit on the SP4805. The 4805 never "wowed" me on HD-DVD - even the superior transfers like King Kong looks marginally better than SD-DVD. I attributed this to several factors - 1) the lamp on my 4805 was getting up there in usage and could probably stand a replacement for optimal performance; 2) the 480p SP-4805 and the DCDi capable Denon DVD player put out an awesome SD-DVD picture that nearly maximized the native panel on the projector (leaving very little room for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray to outshine SD-DVD on the 4805). I am happy to report that the HD1000U after calibration DID have that added "pop" in the picture that I am so fond of. Troy, Batman Begins and V for Vendetta were all fantastic in HD-DVD.

- the HD1000U is absolutley whisper quiet when compared to the 4805. I had never owned another projector before but the 4805 is a jet engine compared to the HD1000U, its really not even close. For reference, when I was using my 4805 with my XB360 (imagine THAT combined fan noise...lol) I was able to clearly hear the 4805 over the 360 tothe extent that the 4805 masked just how loud the 360 actually is...now, with the HD1000 running in low lamp mode I cannot hear it at all - it is completely drowned out by the noise from the XB360. (My PS3 is damn near silent when running, so that gives it a big edge at the moment....)

- My HD1000U will accept and display a 1080p signal from the XB360 over component cables, but it seems limited to the dashboard (no games were actually running 1080p and movies would drop to 1080i on the HD-DVD side and 480p on the SD-DVD side over component cables.) However, this is one area that I immediately had a huge smile when I saw it on the new projector - there really is a lot of limitation to the 4805 for things like Xb360 and PS3 games and the HD1000U is well worth the price of admission for this alone (again and always IMO)...

- SD-DVD, while not leaps and bounds better in PQ, was actually slightly better as well when compared to the 4805, but the majority of this "improvement" is NOT PQ, it is from the fact that I was able to move up my front row of seating from about 12-13' to inside of 11' without any SDE detracting from the image. The 4805 still threw a great DVD picture as recently as Friday PM, but the ability to sit closer to the screen without pixellation was what gives the HD1000U a slight advantage. Cars, LOTR-FOTR, and SWEpiIII:ROTS were all fantasic and engaging and "near-HD" (though not quite).

Side note - this is NOT using any SD-DVD upconversion. It was based on the image from my existing Denon DVM1805, which unfortunately has started to develop a glitch, which is degrading the unit's ability to playback movies. It seems like the laser is having a dificult time tracking the discs now. The unit used to play DVD+/-RW without any problem, but about a month ago it started to refuse anything except store bought and pressed DVDs. Well, last night that started to fail as well - lots of picture freezes and "Bad-Disc" messages for discs that any other DVD player I own would play.

As a result, I went back to the HD-DVD add-on, re-calibrated it using AVIA and then watched the same clips on the HD1000U from the HD-DVD add-on (480p- but WITHOUT DCDi). I noticed a distinct difference in image quality - the HD-DVD add-on was OK, but when the Denon was functioning it was much better. This would seem to indicate that the 4805, with its built-in DCDi processing would retain the advantage unless the HD1000U was paired with a similar DVD player (DCDi enabled) or possibly a good upconverting player. The SD-DVD picture using the Microsoft Add-on was acceptable and by no means terrible, it just was not a significant upgrade over what I had become accustomed to with the 4805/Denon marriage.

The not-so-great:

- color accuracy is not as good as I had hoped. It is barely acceptable OOTB (really it needs some work), but I spent about 45 minutes with AVIA adjusting the color and couldn't quite match the color accuracy of the 4805 - though I felt I was close enough to not be sacrificing too much image accuracy for resolution increase. That is a testimony to the quality (IMO) of the 4805 unit's color decoding and display.

- without calibration the white and black levels are horrifically off. The resulting image OOTB (for me) was shockingly bad - to the point that I had some serious buyer's remorse in that first instance. Once calibrated though the unit performs very well on the gray-scale. The added brightness of the HD1000U = yes, it can power a bigger screen; and yes, it can tolerate more ambient light than the 4805; but , no, that added brightness does not really help black levels at all (it actually hurts them quite a bit). Left un-calibrated, the image was very washed out and "smoky" compared to the 4805. After calibration, the HD1000U performed much better. There is a "set-up" setting (thats what it is called I believe - auto, off, 3.75% and 7.5%) that enhances black level performance and I found myself needing to use the 7.5% setting to feel better about the black levels. When using that setting, the HD1000U comes pretty close to the performance of the SP4805 in black levels, maybe marginally better, but defintitely not a huge leap by any means. At least when calibrated, the black levels were not so bad as to make me think the 4805 was generationally better than the HD1000U.

Overall, I spent 6 hours with the projector yesterday during installation, set-up, calibration and game-play/movie sampling. I am very happy with the upgrade from SP4805 to HD1000U and would recommend the unit to others as long as they realize what they are getting:
- better resolution (720p versus 480p = sit much closer to the same screen as with the 4805, though if you are sitting back far enough - beyond 2.5X screen width - this gain is somewhat minimized)
- more brightness (the thing is BRIGHT, capable of adequately illuminating much larger screens than the 4805 or other less bright units, though this brightness has a cost in black levels),
- at best a "neutral" or very slight gain in black levels and shadow details,
- far better performance in HDTV/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray sources.

If you are in the market for a projector upgrade, and especially if you are an owner of the excellent SP4805 already, the move from 4805 to HD1000U is well worth the price of admission!

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(EDIT) - After more viewing, I will change my oipinion a bit on black level performance in my situation. I think that the 4805 was superior in this area - mainly due to the added brightness of the HD1000. I was never one to use an ND2 filter on my 4805 (like many people actually did with that PJ), but I am strongly considering using one with my HD1000 at least until the bulb hits 1000 hours.

We all knew the SP4805 was a "legend" in it's own time, but HD resolution is here !!!!

We all knew the SP4805 was a "legend" in it's own time, but HD resolution is here !!!!


true
but

could someone give us their comparison of a Standard DVD played on a Mapped bravo D1 to either 4805/IN72 compared to the HD1000u using a decent DVD player.


cheers :)

could someone give us their comparison of a Standard DVD played on a Mapped bravo D1 to either 4805/IN72 compared to the HD1000u using a decent DVD player.

there has to be one person that could chime in regarding the Mit HD1000's performance with sdandard DVD'S Vs the 4805/IN72 mapped Bravo D1


cheers.

Good read, I'm thinking of doing this myself.

just did it .......

just sold my 4805, 2800 hrs on the lamp and bought the hd1000 cant want until friday....... :p :p

just did it .......

just sold my 4805, 2800 hrs on the lamp and bought the hd1000 cant want until friday....... :p :p


dubie ,, was your 4805 paired up and mapped with the bravo D1 ??

And if it was could you please fill us all in on the performances difference ( if any ) regarding playing standard DVDs on the Mit HD1000 .


thanks ,,,,,,, I would truly appreciate it as would others.



cheers

I don't think that anyone very concerned with SD-DVD is going to be overly pleased with an upgrade to the HD1000 from either the IN72 or the 4805. There are some benefits, namely the added resolution allows for closer seating without pixelization of the image, but the overall PQ is not going to be leaps and bounds better. This holds true for pixel mapped and just plain high quality progressive scan DVD.

If the majority of your viewing is going to be SD-DVD, save your money and just enjoy the IN72 or 4805 with pixel mapping because there is not going to be an appreciable increase in PQ on a higher resolution projector (with the exception of on screen text maybe). The trade-off of more brightness at the expense of deeper blacks would also be a detriment to anyone concerned mainly with SD-material.

The HD1000 makes perfect sense for anyone moving from mainly SD material to mainly HD material for their viewing and/or gaming, but if that is not your primary motivation for the purchase (better HD resolutions and HD PQ) then you are probably better off taking a pass until those higher resolution sources dominate your use.

moostache,

Thank You.

I'm sure the Mits HD1000 is A GREAT PJ but i 'm still viewing A LOT of standard dvds untill the HD dvd players are more blue-collar freindly.


cheers Mate.


Murph

What is "bluecolor friendly"?...

I much prefer my IN72 black levels over added resolution, from the 2x screen width standard and even a little less at times, this unit is fantastic. And I am a miracle man myself Moostache.

What is "bluecolor friendly"?...

blue-collar..
i thought i fixed that ....sorry

dubie ,, was your 4805 paired up and mapped with the bravo D1 ??

And if it was could you please fill us all in on the performances difference ( if any ) regarding playing standard DVDs on the Mit HD1000 .


thanks ,,,,,,, I would truly appreciate it as would others.



cheers
sorry...i have the oppo974... dvd player