my sd copy looks quite acceptable and i heard the upgrade isn't that significant. what do you all think?

While I didn't think the PQ was the BEST I've seen, I found it to be a major improvement over the SD. It's worth upgrading for the TrueHD soundtrack :-) I knocks pictures off my wall.

The sound is great, the film is a little soft, but it is suppossed to be to hide the not as great at the time CGI water effects.

my sd copy looks quite acceptable and i heard the upgrade isn't that significant. what do you all think?

Do you really need to start a new thread on a title that has previous discussions on it? Along with the Tier discussions.

my sd copy looks quite acceptable and i heard the upgrade isn't that significant. what do you all think?

I think it is a major improvement. It isn't screwed up like Full Metal Jacket is. I didn't notice any jaggies when I watched it (100" wide screen).

Forget the tier discussions on this title, too. I tried to get it moved higher but it didn't work (no love for this title). And apparently it wasn't bobbed (as it says on the tier thread) either. Some have tried to get that note changed, but to no avail.

I think you should at least rent it and judge for yourself-- I just don't understand the criticism that this transfer has taken. Out of the supposedly "bobbed" titles, only Full Metal Jacket really is obviously FUBAR'ed.

I love this movie and have avoided it due to the reviews I've seen. I'm especially interested due to the THD soundtrack. I may change my thinking and just say screw it and buy it anyway.

Thanks for you thoughts.

pulled this one out the other day (not seen it for 5 months).

not happy. much worse than i remembered. i think i've been spoilt by later releases. if i remember correctly, closes up were OK, but wide shots seemed to cause me some discomfort (not very HD like).

120" projection screen, 720P

Do you really need to start a new thread on a title that has previous discussions on it? Along with the Tier discussions.
Isn't it better for VB servers to start new threads on old topics, then to bump old ones. I thought it was better to let older threads fall off. There would have been nothing to talk about in the last 2 weeks in this forum if it wasn't for old topics.

**** This is not a inflamatory statement **** :)

I watched it on 720p. It was a great improvment.

I didn't think perfect storm was a PERFECT, haha transfer, but the sound is pretty darn nice. The picture quality is good, but it's a little soft.

Considering the movie is great, I think you should should upgrade, definately.

The PQ was in 2 parts. The first half of the movie, the PQ did not look very hot. But at the half way point, while they were at sea it got a lot better. The AQ was outstanding though.

This is one of my favorites, WB should remaster this film, I hear it was made in 1080i not 1080P. I definately would buy it again from Europe were they to adjust their version.

Isn't it better for VB servers to start new threads on old topics, then to bump old ones. I thought it was better to let older threads fall off. There would have been nothing to talk about in the last 2 weeks in this forum if it wasn't for old topics.

**** This is not a inflamatory statement **** :)

Not taking as a flame. To be blunt, I think if the OP had used the search engine, he wouldn't have even needed to start a new thread, much less resurrected an old thread. The reviews are out there either here or the HD review websites.

I think it is a major improvement. It isn't screwed up like Full Metal Jacket is. I didn't notice any jaggies when I watched it (100" wide screen).

Forget the tier discussions on this title, too. I tried to get it moved higher but it didn't work (no love for this title). And apparently it wasn't bobbed (as it says on the tier thread) either. Some have tried to get that note changed, but to no avail.

I think you should at least rent it and judge for yourself-- I just don't understand the criticism that this transfer has taken. Out of the supposedly "bobbed" titles, only Full Metal Jacket really is obviously FUBAR'ed.

Previously, the following titles were supposedly confirmed as having been "vertically filtered" (not bobbed -- that was always wrong):

Enter The Dragon - 1080i master (per KrisD)
The Fugitive - 1080i master
Full Metal Jacket - 1080i master
Lethal Weapon - 1080i master (per KrisD)
Lethal Weapon 2 - 1080i master
The Perfect Storm - 1080i master

Are you saying further information has come to light indicating this is not the case? If so, I'm very interested in learning about it.

Thanks :)

i wish i knew what "bobbed" meant.

well, target has it for $20, so i guess you can't go wrong with that.

The PQ was in 2 parts. The first half of the movie, the PQ did not look very hot. But at the half way point, while they were at sea it got a lot better. The AQ was outstanding though.

This is one of my favorites, WB should remaster this film, I hear it was made in 1080i not 1080P. I definately would buy it again from Europe were they to adjust their version.

I have almost the identical reaction to the HD DVD "The Fugitive". Very poor at the very beginning (my LD has better image depth and detail), picks up some, but still weak up to where Ford jumps off the dam (roughly one third through). When the camera moves outside for that scene, the image really opens up, and then at the St Patrick's Day parade (roughly two thirds point) it picks up the rest of the way and stays there. I would say from the dam jump on, the picture appears HD, but before that, LD and SD can both compete. Some of this is probably associated with the camera work or cameras themselves, but at no point should the picture be matchable, much less beaten, by LD or SD DVD.

Both of those films are personal favorites and I'd love Warner to create new 1080i masters (unfiltered) reverse-telecine them to 1080p, and give us proper HD DVDs. When the picture is visibly compromised, it's downright discouraging to sit there waiting for it to pick up in later scenes.

I have almost the identical reaction to the HD DVD "The Fugitive". Very poor at the very beginning (my LD has better image depth), picks up some, but still weak up to where Ford jumps off the dam (roughly one third through). When the camera moves outside for that scene, the image really opens up, and then at the St Patrick's Day parade (roughly two thirds point) it picks up the rest of the way and stays there. I would say from the dam jump on, the picture appears HD, but before that, LD and SD can both compete. Some of this is probably associated with the camera work or cameras themselves, but at no point should the picture be matchable, much less beaten, by LD or SD DVD.

Both of those films are personal favorites and I'd love Warner to create new 1080i masters (unfiltered) reverse-telecine them to 1080p, and give us proper HD DVDs. When the picture is visibly compromised, it's downright discouraging to sit there waiting for it to pick up in later scenes.
Absolutely right. Those are indeed 2 of my favorites. If they improve these quirks in the Euro version, I will more than likely be buying both.

i wish i knew what "bobbed" meant.

well, target has it for $20, so i guess you can't go wrong with that.

Bobbed means they throw away one of the two fields from each frame and then duplicate the remaining one. This avoids temporal motion artifacts within a given frame (since the fields are no longer time offset), but at the expense of half the picture information.

Are you saying further information has come to light indicating this is not the case? If so, I'm very interested in learning about it.

Thanks :)

No, I don't have any other info.

But, FMJ was immediately obvious from the title card through the end credits. I didn't readily notice any problems with Perfect Storm. I'm talking about jaggies here. In FMJ they are everywhere and very noticeable. Not so on Perfect Storm.

Enter the Dragon was the same way. I've seen blown up screen shots that show jaggies on both PS and EtD. But, FMJ has jaggies that are visible w/o blown up screen caps.

It was worth it for me. My wife loves George Clooney and Marky Mark. And I like Diane Lane! Plus the ocean in HD looked great... ;)

It was worth it for me. My wife loves George Clooney and Marky Mark. And I like Diane Lane! Plus the ocean in HD looked great... ;)

"Like" would be weak for me regarding Diane Lane :). It's a great film -- can't easily imagine getting tired of it!

my sd copy looks quite acceptable and i heard the upgrade isn't that significant. what do you all think?

You've read the reviews. But you don't believe them, as you've asked for opinions here. Why should you believe what we say, which will have opinions all over the map. Except for very extreme and easily confirmable "opinions", most are very subjective with "opinions" varying widely.

Use your noodle. Make your own decision. Buy it and enjoy it. Or don't buy it. Or rent it. Just do something and stop thinking about it as if it were a life and death decision.

P.S. I have the title. It looks very good. But please don't ask me if it's 5% or 10% better or worse than some other good title. If I ever find myself thinking like that and thinking it's important, I'll put a bullet through my brain.

Watched this last night and was taken-aback by what appeared to me to be "vertical scan lines" and "jaggies" in a vertical direction. Search & search and while I can find a few references to "vertical filtering" used by WB on some HD DVD titles, I can't find any in-depth discussion of it anywhere. Does someone have a link? Is there any way to minimize the effect of this?

I watched on a 1080p display at about 110" wide--I found the jaggies distracting to say the least! Glad to find it's not my system but now I need to make sure I don't buy any more of these! :(

I never noticed but now I will take a look later. Is there a particualr scene that stands out?

I never noticed but now I will take a look later. Is there a particualr scene that stands out?I noticed the effect from the opening credits, but following that any of the village scenes w/all the vertical lines are troublesome--vertical lines are broken-up and don't look "straight". It's harder to see in extreme closeups (i.e. of faces) but it's there too if you look at the edges of cheeks & ears (again, vertical edges).

It's very odd to me--have never seen anything like this before. I might just rip the thing and see if I can re-build it cleanly i.e. to 24p?

First I want to rack it up again and see if any other player settings look better. My XA2 was set "up to 1080p" when we watched it; I will start backing it down and see if there's any change (thinking perhaps the player is making it worse?).

Well, I looked at it again tonight and I couldn't make it un-suck. :( I did find however that if I reduced its size to something like 90" diagonal I found the jaggies tolerable. Still there, but tolerable anyway.

Can't imagine how Warner let this one out-the-door...

my sd copy looks quite acceptable and i heard the upgrade isn't that significant. what do you all think?

The PQ is a 2.9 to 3. The story is that it is encoded in 1080i.

But the TrueHD track? OMG! Simply amazing! It will knock your socks off.:D

If anyone has the ability to take screen captures (direct capture or even a decent camera pic) I'd be interested in seeing any of the jaggies. The Fugitive as well. The rest of the Warner 1080i titles are pretty well documented.

Jaggies at 1080p, just like Willy Wonka. Maybe on a 720p screen it will pass, but generally i think the SD disc, upsampled by the XA2 is a better picture. too bad because the sound on the HD is much better. Hoping for a re-release

I maybe reading in Widescreen Review magazine a few months ago that this was one of the best HD DVDs to date. I have the SD DVD. I never checked this one out on HD but I like the movie content. Maybe I'll put it into my queue and see what I think about the PQ. Something tells me that opinion of the film for PQ was off base based on other reviews I've seen. Not sure what equipment they all used though.

If anyone has the ability to take screen captures (direct capture or even a decent camera pic) I'd be interested in seeing any of the jaggies.I can easily do a screen cap, though I'm not sure if it will show-up on a computer display? :confused: I haven't yet attempted any digital camera snapshots but I suppose if I am going to play with the boys here I'll need to learn to do this too! ;)

robert I suspect that with any display <90" these jaggies might not be noticeable? Though now that I am sensitized to them I could probably find them on a 32" TV... :o

I see... jaggies. :D

I can understand someone with a 720p set not noticing but at 1080p? No way.

Thanks a lot, Benes. If there was still a DNR/EE thread I'd submit a detailed update.

Thanks benes, that's exactly what I see! Though the last pic shows "jaggies" the least.

Now that I know how awful HD DVD can look (! :mad: !) I'm already fretting about "The Fugitive" whice arrives in "Best of HD DVD Vol. 2" in a day or so!!!

To see the rest of the jaggie films:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=967857Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But...

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Well I rented it from Netflix because of my curiousity in the post I made above.

This totally blows away the SD DVD both for PQ and AQ. WSR was right. It was one of my better HD experiences! This was very enjoyable and I was glued to watching it the whole time. I have a Tosh A20 player, Panny 37" display, and an Onkyo SR605 AVR. The only small rant is I needed to adjust the center for the dialog. All the loud action scenes drowned out the dialog!

This totally blows away the SD DVD both for PQ and AQ. WSR was right. It was one of my better HD experiences! ...I have a Tosh A20 player, Panny 37" display...Sure, glad you enjoyed it, but at 126" it sucks...you can see jaggies in almost every scene (they're always there, but you can't always see them). :(

This is certainly not true of other HD discs.

at 92" I thought it looked aright, much better then the DVD, I thought the audio was really good. I would recommend the HD-DVD if you liked the flick. I didnt think it looked as bad as those photos.

I had been debating whether to pick this one up and will definitely do so now.