Is it just my imagination or are all the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies being put out in their OAR (or close to it)? I see no "full screen" (pan and scan) aberrations in the lot, unless I've missed them.

Has it finally happened, all my OAR brothers? If HD-DVD/Blu Ray eventually take over, combined with the adoption of widescreen HD-TVs, have we finally killed off the dreaded "full screen" version of movies?

Discuss.

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As long as OAR is available I could care less what other versions are released simultaneously. Some people prefer an image to fit their screen... I personally don't understand it however if it makes them happy then fine by me.

Considering that at present only HT enthusiasts have a BD/HD-DVD player, it makes sense to only release OAR. Once and if the format become mainstream, the butchered versions will certainly appear, albeit probably as 1.75:1 full screen.

As long as OAR is available I could care less what other versions are released simultaneously. Some people prefer an image to fit their screen... I personally don't understand it however if it makes them happy then fine by me.


This gets to be weird area, there are films shot hard-matte for widescreen, and full-frame for soft-matte cropping in the theaters projection gate, and genuinely anamorphic films.

Sometimes (on DVD) the matting is way over-done with peoples heads grazing the top of the screen and such, but often full-frame presentation exposes extraneous info at the top and bottom of the frame.

The line of how films from 1955-1985 are supposed to be framed can get troublesome to call.

The main reason is the market is far too small to put out multiple releases. It was the same for DVD's first year or so (except for the flippers).

I could run or jump with joy (being careful NOT to run and jump at the same time...that would be prancing).

John

Um, "full screen" movies are still out there.

You have to remember that the "full screen" on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is 1.78:1. There has already been one title that has been released in non-OAR to "fill the screen"... this is World's Fastest Indian. The modification has the director's blessing for home video, but still, is not OAR.

Discuss!

Sometimes OAR can be 16:9 if the movie was made that way.

If you mean full screen by 16:9 there's quite a few of them. Crank, Ice Age II, Open Season to name a few. Most big 'real' movies tend to be about 2.35.1 or 2.40:1 in the cinema (ie: the black bars thing), so that's how they'll show up on disk unless you want to cut off part of the frame.

Casablanca? But that's oar

If you mean full screen by 16:9 there's quite a few of them. Crank, Ice Age II, Open Season to name a few.
All of those movies are 1.85:1 aspect ratio. 16:9 is 1.78:1.

I hope fullscreen(MAR) never shows up on BD. It is about time that someone put their foot down and said, this is how our movie was shot, this is how we are releasing it. If you want to 'fill' your screen, use the zoom feature on the player or your tv.

How many HDTV are full screen ? I mean 16:9.

What about the IMAX discs? haven't all of those been modified to fit your screen?

How many HDTV are full screen ? I mean 16:9.
Just about all of them.

All of those movies are 1.85:1 aspect ratio. 16:9 is 1.78:1. True, but a lot of HDTVs have overscan that will make a 1.85:1 movie almost completely fill the 16:9 screen.

Here's a great list of movies (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=813955) (almost all in OAR) that fill (or come close to filling) your HDTV screen. Enjoy :D

Yeah. 1.85:1 is the new "full screen." Watch out for the 2.35:1> to get cropped into 1.85:1.

Casablanca? But that's oar
That's right. 1942.

True, but a lot of HDTVs have overscan that will make a 1.85:1 movie almost completely fill the 16:9 screen.

It still isn't 16x9 (1.78:1) as there isn't any cropping being done, which is good. On an HDTV that is pixel accurate or with little overscan, there will be thin black bars on the top and bottom. Claiming otherwise will just confuse people that don't understand aspect ratios.

I just hope studios aren't listening to the cries of some illinformed people wanting all content to fill their new HDTV's. That same outcry nearly ruined DVD.

It still isn't 16x9 (1.78:1) as there isn't any cropping being done, which is good. On an HDTV that is pixel accurate or with little overscan, there will be thin black bars on the top and bottom. Claiming otherwise will just confuse people that don't understand aspect ratios.

I just hope studios aren't listening to the cries of some illinformed people wanting all content to fill their new HDTV's. That same outcry nearly ruined DVD.Yes, but having a 1.85:1 AR producing a filled (or nearly filled) screen will reduce the 'cries' for fullscreen (since they basically are fullscreen). Now the only thing left to 'cry' about is 2.35:1 movies and the black bars taking up ~25% of the screen. ;)

Yes, but having a 1.85:1 AR producing a filled (or nearly filled) screen will reduce the 'cries' for fullscreen (since they basically are fullscreen). Now the only thing left to 'cry' about is 2.35:1 movies and the black bars taking up ~25% of the screen. ;)
You still aren't getting it, there is nothing to 'cry' about. These type of threads on AVS just go in circles now. All I request is that films stick to being OAR only and call it a day. Once it is in your home, you can do what you want with it.

You still aren't getting it, there is nothing to 'cry' about. These type of threads on AVS just go in circles now. All I request is that films stick to being OAR only and call it a day. Once it is in your home, you can do what you want with it.I guess I wasn't getting it. You had replied to Neo1965's list of fullscreen movies by saying:I hope fullscreen(MAR) never shows up on BD.I was merely saying that for HDTVs, fullscreen does not necessarily mean MAR. Almost all HD DVDs and BDs are released in OAR, and that is great. And if the 'illinformed' don't realize that 1.85:1 (which nearly fills their HDTVs) isn't technically fullscreen but want to call it that, that is fine too, as that just means they won't be asking for a MAR version.

Actually there are a few movies out now that are full screen 16:9. They were originally 1.85:1 and have been presumably opened up slightly to fill the frame. The Fugitive and SawII are ones I remember off the top of my head. But there are a few more.
Goodfellas is another one that was opened up to 1.78:1

I guess I wasn't getting it. You had replied to Neo1965's list of fullscreen movies by saying:I was merely saying that for HDTVs, fullscreen does not necessarily mean MAR. Almost all HD DVDs and BDs are released in OAR, and that is great. And if the 'illinformed' don't realize that 1.85:1 (which nearly fills their HDTVs) isn't technically fullscreen but want to call it that, that is fine too, as that just means they won't be asking for a MAR version.
Ok I think we are on the same page then. :)

My response was to Neo1965 who seemed to be implying that 16:9 is the same as 1.85:1. It's close, very close, but still not the same. I just don't want people sending studios the message that it is ok for them to crop 1.85:1 movies to 1.78:1 even if it is barely noticeable on a variety of HDTV's. Give em an inch, they take a mile kind of thing. ;)

Ok I think we are on the same page then. :)

My response was to Neo1965 who seemed to be implying that 16:9 is the same as 1.85:1. It's close, very close, but still not the same. I just don't want people sending studios the message that it is ok for them to crop 1.85:1 movies to 1.78:1 even if it is barely noticeable on a variety of HDTV's. Give em an inch, they take a mile kind of thing. ;)

Actually, I did not make a distinction on missing pixels between 1.78:1 and 1.85:1. Glad you pointed it out. They seem close enough to filling a 16:9 that I never even realized there was a difference.

Actually there are a few movies out now that are full screen 16:9. They were originally 1.85:1 and have been presumably opened up slightly to fill the frame. The Fugitive and SawII are ones I remember off the top of my head. But there are a few more.benes, can you confirm that those movies (which have an OAR of 1.85:1) have a MAR of 1.78:1 on high def disc, please? Reply to this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10037377&&#post10037377), thanks.

Who wants full screen anything??

Get with the 20th century.....

I think all disks should be 2.35 anamorphic so the CIH guys won't have to scale out the black bars. For those with 16x9 screens, the BD or HDDVD Player should recognize that the disk is 2.35 anamorphic and add black bars similar to the way DVD players letterbox anamorphic disks to fit on a 4:3 TV.

Probably will never happen since CIH setups are a minute percentage all setups.

good!