It'll be interesting to see what a $199 or less HD DVD player (if it materializes) will have on the dynamics of the market. This will be an interesting year.

Cheers,

Grant

Interesting tidbit; I was browsing Circuit City during my lunch hour and noticed right in the middle of the HDTV section is a rack of Blu-ray Movies, i mean this is right smack in the middle where everyone browsing for HDTVs can see it. I walked around and couldn't find the HD-DVD section without asking the employees about it, turns out it was hidden in the middle of the DVD racks. Hmmm.....very interesting.

Also, they had 3 setups playing blu-ray, 2 sonys and one samsung setup with none playing HD-DVDs.

plasmalover,

yes, and guess what else the BD braintrust has reported

Universal is going neutral because they didnt make any announcements at CES
Universal is going neutral because they pulled the HD DVD section of their web page
Universal is going neutral because they are looking at BD-J
HD DVD is dead because one Blockbuster increased the size of their BD section
HD DVD is dead because one Walmart stopped carrying HD DVD
HD DVD is dead because Microsoft said they would offer a solution for whatever format wins
HD DVD is dead because one CC store has a prominent BD display and the HD display is hidden

But, then again, what about the fact that CC has recently started carrying HD DVD at all. Oh wait, that doesnt matter does it. :rolleyes:

Inventory closeout. :p (Hey, it seemed like you were begging for any possible explanation)

Interesting tidbit; I was browsing Circuit City during my lunch hour and noticed right in the middle of the HDTV section is a rack of Blu-ray Movies, i mean this is right smack in the middle where everyone browsing for HDTVs can see it. I walked around and couldn't find the HD-DVD section without asking the employees about it, turns out it was hidden in the middle of the DVD racks. Hmmm.....very interesting.

Also, they had 3 setups playing blu-ray, 2 sonys and one samsung setup with none playing HD-DVDs.

You are aware that any store where you encounter this mysterious phenomena, is being payed by Sony/BDR for product placement. Right?

You are aware that any store where you encounter this mysterious phenomena, is being payed by Sony/BDR for product placement. Right?

So the BDA marketing department is doing a good job? :p

You are aware that any store where you encounter this mysterious phenomena, is being payed by Sony/BDR for product placement. Right?

Mysterious? It's called marketing, and you have to pay for it. Relying upon a few hacks on a forum doesn't constitute 'marketing'.

MS/Toshiba/Universal should have been doing it several months ago, if they really cared.

plasmalover,

yes, and guess what else the BD braintrust has reported

Universal is going neutral because they didnt make any announcements at CES
Universal is going neutral because they pulled the HD DVD section of their web page
Universal is going neutral because they are looking at BD-J
HD DVD is dead because one Blockbuster increased the size of their BD section
HD DVD is dead because one Walmart stopped carrying HD DVD
HD DVD is dead because Microsoft said they would offer a solution for whatever format wins

But, then again, what about the fact that CC has recently started carrying HD DVD at all. Oh wait, that doesnt matter does it. :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you wish, but it doesn't change the facts:

- more CE H/W vendors (vs. Toshiba);
- more major studio support;
- more software/movie sales (as of this week in NA, like ~4:1);
- more blockbuster movies coming day/date;
- no HD DVD support in Japan (95% vs. 5%);
- HD DVD an effective "no show" in Australia/NZ;
- Europe going blue, and big time after the sucessful sales of PS3 in Europe.

Blu-ray is winning, and winning everywhere. Roll your eyes at that.

- Europe going blue, and big time after the sucessful sales of PS3 in Europe.

Blu-ray is winning, and winning everywhere. Roll your eyes at that.


WTF!!!! Europe having successful PS3 sales??? Ok, where did you get that info. It's been doing miserably in Europe.

Especially when they don't have Disney, Fox, Sony or MGM.


If HD-DVD gets the $199 players into retailers such as Costco, Wal-Mart, Sam's Club and Target, they will sell millions of players. A $199 pricepoint is impossible to pass up, for an HD player. When they sell all those players, the studios will come running. I am unwilling to pay $500-$1,000 for something that I can wait a couple months and get for $200. If they sell a few million players, that means 10 times that in disc sales. Both formats have a TON of money backing these formats and won't back down. This will probably go til 2010. How long did the Beta vs. VHS war go on? If HD-DVD gets on the ball and releases the $199 player within the next month or so (in the big retailers), it's over for BR. The disc sales are going to eclipse BR with the release of The Matrix and Harry Potter.

WTF!!!! Europe having successful PS3 sales??? Ok, where did you get that info. It's been doing miserably in Europe.

Read the real Google headlines ... http://news.google.ca/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&q=ps3+uk . Kotaku headlines are for newbs. Are you a newbie?

WTF!!!! Europe having successful PS3 sales??? Ok, where did you get that info. It's been doing miserably in Europe.


The PS3 is failing miserably all over the world. The Wii has outsold it close to 3:1. The X-Box outsold the PS3 last month, by almost twice as much. The PSP isn't doing well either.

U.S. SALES FEB. 2007:

Nintendo DS 485,149
Wii 335,324
PlayStation 2 295,102
Xbox 360 228,225
PlayStation Portable 175,651
Game Boy Advance 135,887
PlayStation 3 127,321
GameCube 23,844
Xbox 480

Numbers for Canadian NPD
PS2 23,191
DS 22,870
360 12,390
PS3 6,084

The PS3 is failing miserably all over the world. The Wii has outsold it close to 3:1. The X-Box outsold the PS3 last month, by almost twice as much. The PSP isn't doing well either.



Good job ignoring the post right above yours :rolleyes:

IMO the ps3 isn't doing that great, even with the "record" Euro launch, and it definately has it's shortcomings as well as good points, but blatantly ignoring facts? Not to mention spewing dvd upconversion crap in the blu-ray sales thread?

Can you say fanboy?

Good job ignoring the post right above yours :rolleyes:

IMO the ps3 isn't doing that great, even with the "record" Euro launch, and it definately has it's shortcomings as well as good points, but blatantly ignoring facts? Not to mention spewing dvd upconversion crap in the blu-ray sales thread?

Can you say fanboy?


I'd rather stick with an upconvert player, than own a Sony electronics product.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/graphs/salesrank-1-1-recent7.jpg

Looks like HD-DVD is catching up, VERY fast.

I'd rather stick with an upconvert player, than own a Sony electronics product.


*shrug* everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you really want to convince people that "sony sucks" or whatever, provide valid reasons & an unbiased opinion.

You want to prove upconverted dvds aren't bad & a good alternative to sony's evil blu-ray? Do an valid comparison between the points of interest and post that in the blu-ray section.

Simply running around telling people their statistics is BS without making any counterargument, posting off-topic arguments in threads, and ignoring facts to the contrary isn't a great way to get people to respect your opinion (which may or may not be right).

Just my worthless .02 :)

*shrug* everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you really want to convince people that "sony sucks" or whatever, provide valid reasons & an unbiased opinion.

You want to prove upconverted dvds aren't bad & a good alternative to sony's evil blu-ray? Do an valid comparison between the points of interest and post that in the blu-ray section.

Simply running around telling people their statistics is BS without making any counterargument, posting off-topic arguments in threads, and ignoring facts to the contrary isn't a great way to get people to respect your opinion (which may or may not be right).

Just my worthless .02 :)

I just posted FACT up above, you choose to ignore them.

If HD-DVD gets the $199 players into retailers such as Costco, Wal-Mart, Sam's Club and Target, they will sell millions of players. A $199 pricepoint is impossible to pass up, for an HD player.

Agreed. But Costco will have to institute a 30-day limit on the return period, otherwise the consumer will return the unit when he/she realizes it cannot play blu-ray exclusive titles such as Casino Royale and KOH. Nevertheless, the $199 HD-DVD player is still a good deal because, for $100 more, you get a dvd player that can play one of the two hd formats, and hopefully upscales dvd. Most people will decide this is a good compromise, and a way to get their happy feet wet without spending a bundle. That's a joke, son! Now, if only W-B would release some Looney Tunes on HD-DVD, or Blu-ray, for that matter. Foghorn Leghorn, especially. Some people on this forum need a frying pan to their head. More arrogant than that chicken hawk, Henery.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/graphs/salesrank-1-1-recent7.jpg

Looks like HD-DVD is catching up, VERY fast.

It's like watching a boxing match with punch and counter punch in very very slow motion. :)

Ilka,

Roll your eyes all you wish, but it doesn't change the facts:

- more CE H/W vendors (vs. Toshiba);
- more major studio support;
- more software/movie sales (as of this week in NA, like ~4:1);
- more blockbuster movies coming day/date;
- no HD DVD support in Japan (95% vs. 5%);
- HD DVD an effective "no show" in Australia/NZ;
- Europe going blue, and big time after the sucessful sales of PS3 in Europe.

Blu-ray is winning, and winning everywhere. Roll your eyes at that.

We have been hearing that song and dance, and claims of BD victory for a LOOOOOOONG time now. It wasn't true then, and it isnt true now.

I just posted FACT up above, you choose to ignore them.

That didn't have anything to do with ps3 sales doing poorly or my comment. :confused:

If you want me to comment on the chart, I can say that new releases has and will contribute greatly to the sales of both formats. BR sales through march were pretty good compared to HD, as BR released a lot more movies. This past week saw a lot better HD releases announcements and uncertainty over BD-J, giving HD it a great boost.

I can also say that it indicates that "the war will last longer than you think", which is oft repeated by hd-dvd supporters.

Agreed. But Costco will have to institute a 30-day limit on the return period, otherwise the consumer will return the unit when he/she realizes it cannot play blu-ray exclusive titles such as Casino Royale and KOH. Nevertheless, the $199 HD-DVD player is still a good deal because, for $100 more, you get a dvd player that can play one of the two hd formats, and hopefully upscales dvd. Most people will decide this is a good compromise, and a way to get their happy feet wet without spending a bundle. That's a joke, son! Now, if only W-B would release some Looney Tunes on HD-DVD, or Blu-ray, for that matter. Foghorn Leghorn, especially. Some people on this forum need a frying pan to their head. More arrogant than that chicken hawk, Henery.

They won't be exclusive, if HD DVD starts moving millions of units. BR Doesn't have The Matrix, or Harry Potter. If they do get those titles, it will be 6 months to a year after HD.

It's like watching a boxing match with punch and counter punch in very very slow motion. :)


I wouldn't call it a slow motion counter punch, if they are almost equal with BR sales in a couple days time, because of ONE pre-order.

Mysterious? It's called marketing, and you have to pay for it. Relying upon a few hacks on a forum doesn't constitute 'marketing'.

MS/Toshiba/Universal should have been doing it several months ago, if they really cared.


Yes, Ilka, do I have to put winkie emoticon in every sarcastic comment? I'm just pointing out to those who are trying to infer retailer preference, that they are merely doing what they are paid to do.

The PS3 is failing miserably all over the world. The Wii has outsold it close to 3:1. The X-Box outsold the PS3 last month, by almost twice as much. The PSP isn't doing well either.

U.S. SALES FEB. 2007:

Nintendo DS 485,149
Wii 335,324
PlayStation 2 295,102
Xbox 360 228,225
PlayStation Portable 175,651
Game Boy Advance 135,887
PlayStation 3 127,321
GameCube 23,844
Xbox 480

Numbers for Canadian NPD
PS2 23,191
DS 22,870
360 12,390
PS3 6,084


128,000 at $599 a pop, being the most pricey system is pretty darn respectable if you ask me...PS3 is simply not made for 10 year olds liek the Wii or PS2...

And who the heck are the 480 still buying the origial XBOX at over $100??? Yikers...

Totally worthless unless this is widespread, but the local Wal*Mart now has 4 columns of space available for Blu-ray Disc releases, and only 2 columns of space for HD DVD releases (each column has space for, I believe, 6 releases). That works out to 24 BD releases and 12 HD DVD releases for consumers to choose amongst.

Ignoring the fact that BD was given more space, this is also good for high-def media in general, as previously they only had 4 columns available for high-def media (2 each for BD and HD DVD).

128,000 at $599 a pop, being the most pricey system is pretty darn respectable if you ask me...PS3 is simply not made for 10 year olds liek the Wii or PS2...

And who the heck are the 480 still buying the origial XBOX at over $100??? Yikers...


It's a new system, it should be selling more than the Wii. It's more powerful, supposedly will have better games and is a BR player. Sony is losing money in loss of sales to Nintendo and losing money by selling it for $599 (production cost is almost that much). The PS2's numbers were WAY better than the PS3. The X-Box 360, which is in it's 2nd year is outselling the PS3. Sony has REALLY screwed things up this time.

Totally worthless unless this is widespread, but the local Wal*Mart now has 4 columns of space available for Blu-ray Disc releases, and only 2 columns of space for HD DVD releases (each column has space for, I believe, 6 releases). That works out to 24 BD releases and 12 HD DVD releases for consumers to choose amongst.

Ignoring the fact that BD was given more space, this is also good for high-def media in general, as previously they only had 4 columns available for high-def media (2 each for BD and HD DVD).

Space isn't a chain wide thing, they do that on a PER STORE basis. I used to work for Coca Cola and 7-Up, the shelf space was determined by sales for that specific store, that goes for ALL products.

One other thing, the PS2 outsold the PS3 last month, that should tell you something. I don't see the Gamecube outselling the Wii, do you?

Sony is losing money in loss of sales to Nintendo and losing money by selling it for $599 (production cost is almost that much)

That is not all Sony is Losing. Complicated PS3 Platform discouraging second tier game developers (http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070328PD210.html)

It's a new system, it should be selling more than the Wii. It's more powerful, supposedly will have better games and is a BR player. Sony is losing money in loss of sales to Nintendo and losing money by selling it for $599 (production cost is almost that much). The PS2's numbers were WAY better than the PS3. The X-Box 360, which is in it's 2nd year is outselling the PS3. Sony has REALLY screwed things up this time.

I can tell your an economics master...

Most HH's simply can't afford a PS3, let alone a premium XBOX 360...

Wii fits that demographic very well, and Nintendo has done a solid job with it...

$599 vs $249 is a BIG deal for a lot of people...

The 360 took its grand ole time coming out of the gate w/ the same issues...it took some quality games to get it rolling.

Sony, MS and Nintendo will all do fine...in 12 months, if the PS3 has not sold 6-8 million worldwide after some noteable relesaes come out, then, Sony might have issues...but as of now, w/ reportedly 2-3 million sold worldwide, I think they are on a solid pace.

One other thing, the PS2 outsold the PS3 last month, that should tell you something. I don't see the Gamecube outselling the Wii, do you?

In all due respect, the PS2 will probably go down as one of the most successful, and longest lifespans of the modern day systems...approaching 7 years of life and at least a couple more to go...

XBOX 1, and certainly the Gamecube, were all fighting for a distant 2nd place.

I can tell your an economics master...

Most HH's simply can't afford a PS3, let alone a premium XBOX 360...

Wii fits that demographic very well, and Nintendo has done a solid job with it...

$599 vs $249 is a BIG deal for a lot of people...

The 360 took its grand ole time coming out of the gate w/ the same issues...it took some quality games to get it rolling.

Sony, MS and Nintendo will all do fine...in 12 months, if the PS3 has not sold 6-8 million worldwide after some noteable relesaes come out, then, Sony might have issues...but as of now, w/ reportedly 2-3 million sold worldwide, I think they are on a solid pace.

Apparently YOU'RE not an English major. You would know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE then. You should read the article posted above your last post.

In all due respect, the PS2 will probably go down as one of the most successful, and longest lifespans of the modern day systems...approaching 7 years of life and at least a couple more to go...

XBOX 1, and certainly the Gamecube, were all fighting for a distant 2nd place.


I'm not bashing the PS2, but Sony just released a new system (PS3) and can't even outsell their last system (PS2) in current sales, that's pretty pathetic.

Wow, yuo gooot mee tehre...good one captain comeback...

I'm not bashing the PS2, but Sony just released a new system (PS3) and can't even outsell their last system (PS2) in current sales, that's pretty pathetic.

It's much easier to outsell your previous console if you just cut off all games and system production as soon as the new one hits. If someone did that then I'll bet the new system would sell a lot more since the old owners would be forced to buy the new one per-say. :cool:

Wow, yuo gooot mee tehre...good one captain comeback...

Don't feel too bad! NineDay left out three coordinating conjunctions in his past few posts. Apparently, he wasn't an english major, either. ;)

R.

I'm not bashing the PS2, but Sony just released a new system (PS3) and can't even outsell their last system (PS2) in current sales, that's pretty pathetic.Doesn't seem pathetic to me when the XBOX360 also hasn't been outselling the PS2 and at least Sony gets the revenue from the PS2. I wonder if Microsoft regrets cancelling the XBOX like they did. I'm sure Sony has made a lot of mistakes with the Playstation, but keeping the PS2 out there while they sell the PS3 at a much higher price looks like one of the better moves they've made, to me.

If Toyota came out with a new model at a higher price and their old model that they continued offering was outselling the new one and also outselling Honda's newer competing model, I wouldn't really call that pathetic for Toyota.

--Darin

Doesn't seem pathetic to me when the XBOX360 also hasn't been outselling the PS2 and at least Sony gets the revenue from the PS2. I wonder if Microsoft regrets cancelling the XBOX like they did. I'm sure Sony has made a lot of mistakes with the Playstation, but keeping the PS2 out there while they sell the PS3 at a much higher price looks like one of the better moves they've made, to me.

If Toyota came out with a new model at a higher price and their old model that they continued offering was outselling the new one and also outselling Honda's newer competing model, I wouldn't really call that pathetic for Toyota.

--Darin
To continue on this weird tangent. The point is that the wii really showed the world that low price weak graphics with strong gameplay beats high priced strong graphics with weak gameplay.

I'm fairly certain that cost is the main reason. While the wii sports games with that innovative controller can highlight what kinds of games let people not realize the weak graphics, games like Zelda also reveal that other games show the weaker graphics very clearly. Zelda graphics doesn't look stronger than Dark Cloud, something my son played years ago.

It may not matter if you're playing on a CRT, but with HDTV displays, the difference is clear --- after an x360 or PS3 game, wii graphics is simply quite plain. If you played Project Gotham on x360 or Motrostorm on PS3 and then looked at the racing game in wii, it's basically unplayable.

In the meantime, you have things like the Guitar Hero II, with weak graphics as well, but something different --- a motion sensitive controller that plays like a cheap guitar. My bet would be for a couple more iterations of new controllers and new motion adaptive games. There's nothing on wii sports that cannot be done on an x360 or a PS2 with a new controller.

The PS2 just gained a couple more years of mass production. That's what wii brought to the table.

Can someone please point me to the Personal Attack -- English / Grammar thread? Oh, wait, looks like I'm already here, sorry.