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rover2002

03-23-07, 09:56 AM

:rolleyes:

So the you have the launch day/week PAL PS3 sales numbers?

I love hearing these fanboys desperately trying to spin the launch. As the numbers start coming in it goes from:

Fanboys: Poor launch

Early estimates start coming out...

Fanboys: Poor launch no matter how you slice it

PAL PS3 launch sales numbers exceed Wii and 360 launch numbers combined...

Fanboys: Poor launch lalalala I'm not listening!

So spin fanboys, spin. You only have a few more days until the first real launch sales numbers start being made public and you slink back to making up stories about how you saw 50 PS3 that were dusty at your local retailer...
Looks like someone missed the love boat ;)

Caurus

03-23-07, 09:59 AM

520K in europe and australia on launch day is probably at the low end of what Sony would have liked, but it still beat x360 based on what I remember. The real gaming console story is wii --- we'll have to see if this continues next year.

I wonder where this 520k on launch day number is coming from? First: today is launch day, right? So right now I could go in a shop and could buy a PS3 what then should be accounted for in this number. Where do the people who, eh, created this 520k number know from that I will not buy a PS3? That is kind of weird. They must have a real great crystal ball. Second: I don't know but in case the reports are true and Sony is selling only 50-100 PS3 instead of projected 1000 PS3 on their launch events... well, I don't know but then 520k seems to be slightly on the positive side.

But then maybe they have shipped 520k units to Europe and Australia or they sold 520k to the shops. Thats possible.

trgraphics

03-23-07, 10:01 AM

Kampf kobold

03-23-07, 10:01 AM

I wonder where this 520k on launch day number is coming from? First: today is launch day, right? So right now I could go in a shop and could buy a PS3 what then should be accounted for in this number. Where do the people who, eh, created this 520k number know from that I will not buy a PS3? That is kind of weird. They must have a real great crystal ball. Second: I don't know but in case the reports are true and Sony is selling only 50-100 PS3 instead of projected 1000 PS3 on their launch events... well, I don't know but then 520k seems to be slightly on the positive side.

But then maybe they have shipped 520k units to Europe and Australia or they sold 520k to the shops. Thats possible.

Perhaps its the number of preorders?

grucl

03-23-07, 10:04 AM

Looks like someone missed the love boat ;)

No need to worry, here it comes again:

http://blog.wiisteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/xboat.gif

:D :D :D

GBFreek

03-23-07, 10:05 AM

You fanboys get crazzy!! Jeez...

In Japan, the 360 is pretty much on life support and that will probably occur in Europe as well.

I have a 360 and just purchased as PS3 this week for three main reasons. The 360 will likely always have great market share in the US....

1 - As much as I love the 360's current roster of games, in a little over 7 months of my 360 ownership, I have been without it for probably 8-10 weeks due to two of the dreaded red light ring lockup problem. This time is the last...its going on Ebay and PS3 will be my system. I am 30, and have owned about every system possible and this is the first to have this type of problem...I simply can not accept this issue...its too dam frustrating. And by surfing forums, its safe to say 10-15% of 360 owners experience this, at minimum.

2 - The 360 is simply TOO LOUD to watch the HDDVD stuff on.

3 - I truly believe BluRay has taken the lead for good...studio support will win this thing within 12 months. All it takes is Universal going to both sides and this one is over. No way all 6 or 7 exclusive BluRay supporters jump ship.

trgraphics

03-23-07, 10:07 AM

^ Preorders don't mean much if they were hoping to sell them for a profit like they did here in the us. Thousands of units were returned when they couldn't unload them.

Ezra

03-23-07, 10:11 AM

Neo1965

03-23-07, 10:12 AM

Subotnik

03-23-07, 10:15 AM

Giving away Tv's and a free ride home in Europe does not sound like a good launch.A free TV and a ride home is about what it would take to get me out on the streets of London at night with a PS3 in my hands.

harol

03-23-07, 10:28 AM

I don't know how many consoles that was sold. But I believe 1 million was supplied. On the basis of what i read today in Norwegian newspapers and English the demand is pretty good. Although I don't think the 1 million will be sold the 1st week. Nn Norway which I think got 70.000 units (4.8 million inhabitants :p) my guess is they've sold 70-80 % of allocations. There are still PS3s in shops, but i read some shops sold 95 % av the units they got.

So all in all pretty good for BD. Perhaps a not so great launch, but perhaps not as bad as some people think either. If its true they sold 520k units first day i'd say its an ok launch. I still bought it, but not gonna buy any games yet for it as there's not any I want at the moment. Will be used for BD movies :cool:

Also keep in mind that Sony money on the PS3s in Europe.

d james

03-23-07, 10:31 AM

Urza

03-23-07, 10:52 AM

Urza

03-23-07, 10:55 AM

harol

03-23-07, 10:58 AM

I notice how the rabid Sony bois keep talking about BD. Yes BD is in the lead, but I can assure you that the PS3 is a distant 3rd in the gaming world.

For me, if Sony can just get a decent software guy. Good lord, the online interface makes me want to scratch my eyes out. Please, learn from XBOX live, now thats an interface.

Well isn't this thread in the HDTV Software media discussion? I don't really care which console is the best to game on, and judging by sales, the Wii should be the best console :), btw i've got the Wii as well.

Urza

03-23-07, 11:06 AM

Well isn't this thread in the HDTV Software media discussion? I don't really care which console is the best to game on, and judging by sales, the Wii should be the best console :), btw i've got the Wii as well.

Why yes it is. But then, why do people keep talking about gaming, and games? Because of the dual use it has. You can never have a PS3 discussion without talking about it's dual use.

harol

03-23-07, 11:12 AM

Why yes it is. But then, why do people keep talking about gaming, and games? Because of the dual use it has. You can never have a PS3 discussion without talking about it's dual use.

Yupp, a good point if we talk about software and not hardware. And is there any reason for the PS3 to be any less games machine than Xbox360 or Wii?

rover2002

03-23-07, 11:23 AM

No need to worry, here it comes again:

http://blog.wiisteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/xboat.gif

:D :D :D
I think they really stole the show :D
La 360 luv boat XX (http://www.dailymotion.com/search/ps3/video/x1inxu_bateau-xbox-au-lancement-ps3)

Urza

03-23-07, 11:25 AM

Yupp, a good point if we talk about software and not hardware. And is there any reason for the PS3 to be any less games machine than Xbox360 or Wii?

Quite right, PS3 is no less of a game machine. I think what your seeing here is the fanbois trying to bully the other side with the current obvious strengths of the 360 with games and online, and PS3 with the hardware specs(BD)

Icemage

03-23-07, 11:27 AM

Yupp, a good point if we talk about software and not hardware. And is there any reason for the PS3 to be any less games machine than Xbox360 or Wii?
If anything, the PS3 is more of a game machine than the Wii is right now.

People may complain about PSN being less user friendly than XBLive, but PS Home is coming (and even there PSN has unified member IDs at least... unlike the nearly non-existent abortion that is title-specific Wii friend codes... :( ). I remember Xbox Live sucking horribly for the first 6 months of its existence, too.

I've found room in my budget to feed both games and movies to my PS3. My Wii hasn't seen any attention from me since early January (and won't see any more until April with the release of Super Paper Mario).

UxiSXRD

03-23-07, 11:33 AM

sounds like you don't own the HD dvd drive, or yours is messed up because they are dead quiet, much more so than the standard drive in the 360

He's talking about the fans. I really only notice mine during quiet dialog scenes but it IS annoying (though not as much as the gimped audio).

Nescio

03-23-07, 11:37 AM

I have a PS3.

Urza, you forgot 2 things: the :D that you usually put after mentioning that you own a PS3 and a claim that 'that absolves me of any suspicion that I may be biased against $ony even though half my posts are about bashing $ony'. You're not a fanboy. You're an anti-fanboy. Why not simply admit it and move on? :rolleyes:

Urza

03-23-07, 11:37 AM

If anything, the PS3 is more of a game machine than the Wii is right now.

People may complain about PSN being less user friendly than XBLive, but PS Home is coming (and even there PSN has unified member IDs at least... unlike the nearly non-existent abortion that is title-specific Wii friend codes... :( ). I remember Xbox Live sucking horribly for the first 6 months of its existence, too.

I've found room in my budget to feed both games and movies to my PS3. My Wii hasn't seen any attention from me since early January (and won't see any more until April with the release of Super Paper Mario).

I disagree my friend. Sony has plenty of my hard earned $$$, and almost every online enterprise they try stinks to high heaven. I'm done with the "Wait till they" nonsense. Of course I have no choice, not like I can choose another interface on my PS3.

Maxpower1987

03-23-07, 12:34 PM

How was the crowd trouble? I hope your police escort escort managed to get you into your store in one piece :) Still, who wouldn't risk life and limb for double time?

None at all, some people went home empty handed (not because of stock, but we had to close at 3:00am because our license ran out) but they came back in the morning and it was fine. All-in-all we had sold out (I think we had 100 units for general sale and about 30 on pre-order to be collected) by about 10:00am, but we expect a new shipment in a few days. It was a fun night, lots of drink, no trouble, even when we closed people just knew they could come back the next morning and get one. I would say it was a pretty good launch where I am as stocks have pretty much run out in Cardiff (not that you can't find one, it just takes a bit of looking).

Waaaaay better than the Wii launch, that was absolutely crazy as we only had about 15 units for about the same number of people queueing, lots of small children there too, none last night (thankfully!). I think demand didn't exceed supply, but that was only because supply was so big, if it had been X360 or Wii style we would not have had such a great time last night as people would have got angry as there were barely any units to go around then. I think Sony have done a really great job in getting the units out to all of the chains on time so they could distribute them nationally. I remember the Wii launch we didn't know if we were going to get any until about 30mins before close on launch night (we had advertised a midnight launch, but we didn't even know if we were prioritised for units by head office, we thought the delivery guys would have run out by Bristol, but they made it to Cardiff).

Urza

03-23-07, 12:58 PM

Urza, you forgot 2 things: the :D that you usually put after mentioning that you own a PS3 and a claim that 'that absolves me of any suspicion that I may be biased against $ony even though half my posts are about bashing $ony'. You're not a fanboy. You're an anti-fanboy. Why not simply admit it and move on? :rolleyes:

I hide nothing. I hate Sony, but like the product :D

wnorris

03-23-07, 01:11 PM

Everyone remember, Sony predicted 6 million PS3 sales worldwide by the end of March. They have 7 days to go, so will they get there?

UxiSXRD

03-23-07, 01:51 PM

Everyone remember, Sony predicted 6 million PS3 sales worldwide by the end of March. They have 7 days to go, so will they get there?

I see that they promised to SHIP 6 million units by March...

The PlayStation 3 is set to launch in North America, Asia and Europe in early November this year, Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has announced, with the firm committed to shipping six million units by the end of March 2007.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15355

Sony has kept unchanged its Japan launch on November 11 and North American launch on November 17. It has also stuck to its target to ship 6 million units of PS3 worldwide by the end of March despite the delay in Europe

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212473,00.html

Scheduled for a world-wide launch on November 17th, the PlayStation 3 has generated pre-release hype, as well as concerns about Sony's ability to meet initial consumer demand. Despite Sony's commitment to shipping six million units, it remains to be seen what, if any, shortages will exist when the console is released later this year

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=76808

Whether they'll actually ship that many is probably still doubtful, though. They are probably well past 3 million... maybe as many 4 million shipped already with a week to go...

rto

03-23-07, 02:34 PM

I see that they promised to SHIP 6 million units by March...Whether they'll actually ship that many is probably still doubtful, though. They are probably well past 3 million... maybe as many 4 million shipped already with a week to go...

Presumably, they planned on shipping 6 million units by March, because they believed that number would be sufficient to meet demand without creating a glut of excess inventory. It appears that demand hasn't met their expectations in the European market any more than it did in NA and Japan, unless Sony PR in Europe deliberately set out to embarrass themselves. I wonder what percentage of that 6 million unit figure was projected to sell through by March, in any discussions with the BDA studios. ;)

UxiSXRD

03-23-07, 02:52 PM

VGcharts says there's 520k sales already in 1 day. They'll be lucky to hit another million through the last week of March...

It seems to me the original estimate for 6 million shipped by 3/07 was made at least before 3/06 (the first quote from), when they thought the launch was still going to be much larger than it ended up being. That same figure was then repeated despite the change in circumstances surrounding the actual US/Japan launches.

harol

03-23-07, 03:15 PM

Everything has changed after Wii. Both MS and Sony have adjusted down estimated sales. Lets in 2 years time which machine is the bestseller. Imagine PS2 after 7 years is the bestselling console out there, sold more than 120 million units now.

Caurus

03-23-07, 06:05 PM

vgcharts.org - they've been doing this for years. Their database back to the old NES sales are very thorough --- they even have the historical sales numbers of every game title in their database.

I think they shipped more than 1M to the shops in europe alone based on what's been discussed.

O.k. And yes it looks like they are doing soild work tracking the numbers. So kudos to vgcharts.org for their works.

But I still think the TIMING is very strange of their announcement. They announced these numbers around noon of the launch day. Well.... I mean.... how? This IS kind of strange, or isn't it.

If Sony really sold 520k units on launch day in Europe and Australia: KUDOS TO SONY. I would have expected less. Around 300k.

But then I would like to have another confirmation of the number. I mean how did vgcharts got the number from the shops? It MUST be an estimate in my eyes.

So spin fanboys, spin. You only have a few more days until the first real launch sales numbers start being made public and you slink back to making up stories about how you saw 50 PS3 that were dusty at your local retailer...

So, LianEnvesco, just for you I started a photo story. Sorry for the bad quality. This is today in one of the biggest discounter stores of Germany. 10 minutes before they closed the store:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6351/dsc00026smallrp4.th.jpg (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00026smallrp4.jpg)

Still lots of PS3 around. But then, looks like at least one is missing.

Issac Hunt

03-23-07, 06:14 PM

looks like they have 9 left in stock, out of how many originally, i wonder...

FatiusJeebs

03-23-07, 06:15 PM

He's talking about the fans. I really only notice mine during quiet dialog scenes but it IS annoying (though not as much as the gimped audio).

Hogwash. Unless you guys watch your moviesat REALLY REALLY LOW volumes....the noise issue is irrelevant. Especially the add-on. No noise here.

SyHD

03-23-07, 06:20 PM

Mr. Hanky

03-23-07, 06:29 PM

Hogwash. Unless you guys watch your moviesat REALLY REALLY LOW volumes....the noise issue is irrelevant. Especially the add-on. No noise here.

In fact, low noise is an inherent prerequisite if you expect the benefits of any kind of "24-bit" soundtrack to even have a chance of emerging in the listening experience.

darinp2

03-23-07, 06:29 PM

If they sold 520,000 PS3 in Europe the first day, then its a no brainer success for Blu-ray.If this were a bet in Vegas, I would definitely put my money on the under there. It will be interesting to see how the numbers change as time goes on, but I will be a little bit surprised if that 520k doesn't get revised down for first day sales. Mostly just a gut feeling though.

--Darin

Subotnik

03-23-07, 06:34 PM

I have a PS3, so how exactly am I a fanboy? I call it like I see it.

PS3 launch sales never beat the Wii in the USA, so tell me how on earth the PS3 will trounce the Wii in Europe?Easy, they're two completely different situations and two completely different markets. Just because one thing happened in one market at one specific point in time doesn't mean that it's destined to happen again and again everywhere else in the world.

Nintendo seems to have almost a pathological dislike for the PAL regions, going all the way back to the Sega era when they were trounced by Sonic and friends.

Ilka

03-23-07, 06:41 PM

If they sold 520,000 PS3 in Europe the first day, then its a no brainer success for Blu-ray. That means there are 522,000 Blu-ray players vs. 10,000 HD DVD players maybe. If you use Paramount's 22% figure, you would still get 114,000 BD players ...vastly outnumbered HD DVD players in Europe.

Fun with math ... :)

From: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10066007#post10066007

Some 2006 hardware sales numbers in Europe from Video Business:

- Stand-alone HD DVD and Blu-ray players combined: about 3,000

- Xbox 360 add-on: under 15,000

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6425099.html

So, even if the numbers have been updated by the HD DVD PRG, we should be looking to a ~10:1 player ratio in Europe ... that will easily translate into a < 10:1 disc sales ratio.

Europe's going Blue! ;)

JAG1977

03-23-07, 06:46 PM

These reports are not a surprise, but funny nonetheless. Sounds like a pretty dismal launch Hopefully this leads to a price drop in all regions.

Sony have simply supplied a huge number of PS3's, and launched at a quiet time of year.

Despite this it will still, by far, be the biggest Euro launch.

Would detractors prefare a launch with severely limited supply, with PS3 grabbing the headlines due to lack of availabilty?

In 24 hours, HD-DVD has took a blow it will never recover from, the format war is effectively over in Europe.

I couldn't careless about PS3 as a games machine, the PC's my gaming machine of choice.

rto

03-23-07, 07:10 PM

Fun with math ... :)

From: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10066007#post10066007

So, even if the numbers have been updated by the HD DVD PRG, we should be looking to a ~10:1 player ratio in Europe ... that will easily translate into a < 10:1 disc sales ratio.

Europe's going Blue! ;)

Upon what evidence, are you claiming that there will be a direct, one to one PS3/BD sales ratio in Europe, when that clearly hasn't been the case in the US?
Or was this number simply derived from analysis of colonoscopy data?

r96797

03-23-07, 07:13 PM

rto

03-23-07, 07:23 PM

He's saying that the ratio is simply less than 1:1 sales ratio...

the < indicates less than.

"< 10:1 disc sales ratio."

How much less? 9.999999:1, or 1.00001:1? If you're correct, his statement is essentially meaningless.

r96797

03-23-07, 07:33 PM

"< 10:1 disc sales ratio."

How much less? 9.999999:1, or 1.00001:1? If you're correct, his statement is essentially meaningless.

True.

Ilka

03-23-07, 07:45 PM

Upon what evidence, are you claiming that there will be a direct, one to one PS3/BD sales ratio in Europe, when that clearly hasn't been the case in the US?
Or was this number simply derived from analysis of colonoscopy data?

If you had the courtesy to read just a couple of posts earlier, you would have appreciated the numbers. It's not a 1:1 equivalency of Blu-ray players in Europe ... it is expected (as per NA results), that only 22% of PS3 buyers have the same Blu-ray movie buying habits as a stand-alone hi-def player.

Since you didn't, and instead chose to spew venom, let me point it out again ... it's all there:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10110274&&#post10110274

Read ... and comprehend.

OTOH, if you wish to argue that Europe is going 8:1 in favour of Blu-ray, or 10:1, or 6:1, or 18:1, I'll oblige.

Ilka

03-23-07, 07:56 PM

"< 10:1 disc sales ratio."

How much less? 9.999999:1, or 1.00001:1? If you're correct, his statement is essentially meaningless.

OK, I meant it to mean something less than 10, but greater than ... say, 5.

My bad. :)

FatiusJeebs

03-23-07, 08:13 PM

Sony have simply supplied a huge number of PS3's, and launched at a quiet time of year.

Despite this it will still, by far, be the biggest Euro launch.

Would detractors prefare a launch with severely limited supply, with PS3 grabbing the headlines due to lack of availabilty?

In 24 hours, HD-DVD has took a blow it will never recover from, the format war is effectively over in Europe.

I couldn't careless about PS3 as a games machine, the PC's my gaming machine of choice.

I love it when people try to paint dismal launches with...."excessive supplies".
So whats with the free TV and a ride home? Were TV's excessive and cabbies a plenty?

Ilka

03-23-07, 08:36 PM

I love it when people try to paint dismal launches with...."excessive supplies".
So whats with the free TV and a ride home? Were TV's excessive and cabbies a plenty?

Good point. But the very fact that you are repeating here has major PR value.

Sony thanks you.

Are you a viral marketeer for Sony?

JAG1977

03-23-07, 08:52 PM

I love it when people try to paint dismal launches with...."excessive supplies".
So whats with the free TV and a ride home? Were TV's excessive and cabbies a plenty?

It's called a publicity stunt, it worked judgng by the blanket media coverage.

If you haven't figured it out for yourself, it wasn't advertised.

You cannot dismiss out of hand the supply issue, in the UK consoles have been launched with miserable numbers, Sony however shipped 200k+, plenty for this time of year.

There's little doubt PS3 will be the No.1 seller this Christmas.

FatiusJeebs

03-23-07, 08:54 PM

Jag....as a movie player...i can't argue. If that is Sony's goal? Fine. As a game machine....forget it....the system is losing exclusives left and right. You might as well get a 360 for less to play most of the games that made PS2 theall0-time console. They are just not there this time for round 3.

Subotnik

03-23-07, 08:56 PM

I love it when people try to paint dismal launches with...."excessive supplies".
So whats with the free TV and a ride home? Were TV's excessive and cabbies a plenty?PR

The Virgin Megastore launch was the flagship for the entire EU, of course they're going to do something big and attention seeking to get publicity. Did they give TVs away anywhere else?

The cab rides were simply a good idea because London is a dangerous place at night and the police publicly announced their concern for customer safety a week or so ago. I'm sure those people facing a midnight bus ride through the streets of London with their brand new PS3/TV/Victim combo were quite happy to get a cab home.

rto

03-23-07, 09:01 PM

If you had the courtesy to read just a couple of posts earlier, you would have appreciated the numbers. It's not a 1:1 equivalency of Blu-ray players in Europe ... it is expected (as per NA results), that only 22% of PS3 buyers have the same Blu-ray movie buying habits as a stand-alone hi-def player.

Since you didn't, and instead chose to spew venom, let me point it out again ... it's all there:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10110274&&#post10110274

Read ... and comprehend.

OTOH, if you wish to argue that Europe is going 8:1 in favour of Blu-ray, or 10:1, or 6:1, or 18:1, I'll oblige.

I've read the entire thread, and you used a ludicrious ratio. If you really, honest-to-goodness, only meant to say 5:1, or thereabouts, why didn't you state it as such, say..............< 5.00001:1? :rolleyes:

Again, we're all reading tea leaves for a clue, here.....which I would argue differs negligibly from scrutinizing colonoscopy videos.

JAG1977

03-23-07, 09:01 PM

The only console game I care about is Gran Turismo, the 360 isn't an option.

As for exclusves, the PS2 was slated for repetitive sequals, I'm quite sure Sony have plenty of exclusives lined-up which we have not yet heard about, seeing as PS3's a 8-10 year project.

This isn't blind faith, I won't even buy a PS3 until GT5's released, it's simple logic. Sony are well aware of the competition they are up against, they aren't ignorant of Microsofts moves.

PS2's line-up was awful for at least 12 months, arguably more.

FatiusJeebs

03-23-07, 09:04 PM

Microsoft's moves? Wishful thinking...this is more like...developer's disappointments. Unfamiliar technolgy....brand-new format.....you think developers feel like keeping their products exclusive under these conditions? I don't think so.

rto

03-23-07, 09:07 PM

It's called a publicity stunt, it worked judgng by the blanket media coverage.

The human capacity for rationalizing away an unpleasant reality, is occasionally, a thing of beauty. This is a work of art.

scitek

03-23-07, 10:37 PM

This is by far my favorite story of the PS3 launch thus far. It's pretty funny.

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06689_PS3s_French_Debut_A_Total_Disaster_95_of_Consoles _Left_Unsold.html

Apparently Sony had everything prepared for a massive and impressive debut of the PS3 on the French market, but company officials’ worst expectations came true: the failure was “sounding”.

Yesterday, in the evening before the launch (March 22) more than 200 journos gathered underneath the Eiffel Tower, but soon realized something was wrong: the streets around the tower were empty, and, as the time passed by, Sony officials began to worry. A little late, I might add…"

About 40 police officers were mobilized for protection, although there was about the same number of persons gathered at the Eiffel Tower to celebrate Sony’s event. “We were told to prepare for at least 3000 persons” said one of the officers, who also declared that they were instructed to permit only those who had a means of payment to pass (cash or credit card).

Close to 22hrs the journalists receive an SMS from the French Xbox marketing team: “the Xbox team wishes you a good evening” ("la Xbox team vous souhaite une bonne soirée"). Soon after that a small military boat flanked with “Xbox loves you” messages appears, carrying a group of Microsoft employees who defy “the enemy”. The world around them laughs but not the Sony employees.

LMAO@ the Xbox marketing team.

Sean_O

03-24-07, 01:36 AM

The Xboat was a nice touch. Look up the video on Youtube or Daily Motion if you get the chance.

PerHT

03-24-07, 04:11 AM

IMHO the launch in Europe has been OK and better than Xbox and Wii. The shops have had large pre-orders. Now why wait in a line when you can sit comfy in front of your computer and order a piece? We've had reports that many received their piece the day before the launch.

Also, they supplied a fairly decent amount. In Norway where I live they supplied like 40 000 (total PS2 sales (SI) amounted to 550 000 -> 7.3 % of PS2 on launch day) (all numbers from the financial daily). The Wii has sold 7900 (!) units since inception.

scitek

03-24-07, 04:28 AM

It's been more efficient than the Xbox 360 and Wii launches, but it's also been slower than expected and shows that the PS3 may not sell any better there than it is in the rest of the world.

Did you know that, in Japan, the PS3 has yet to even sell the same number of consoles that the PS2 did in its first two weeks?

rover2002

03-24-07, 04:45 AM

r96797

03-24-07, 07:46 AM

Lack of game titles is killing the PS3 in Japan. Its having the same effect here in Hong Kong also.

I'm sure that something that everyone can agree on (for once).

ThumperII

03-24-07, 09:34 AM

In fact, low noise is an inherent prerequisite if you expect the benefits of any kind of "24-bit" soundtrack to even have a chance of emerging in the listening experience.

My 360 is really, really loud.

MarekM

03-24-07, 09:34 AM

Lack of game titles is killing the PS3 in Japan. Its having the same effect here in Hong Kong also.

is there any list of ALL games coming this year ?

Marek

Subotnik

03-24-07, 09:59 AM

is there any list of ALL games coming this year ?

MarekNo. Sony and many of the third party publishers are deliberately keeping quiet this time around.

JAG1977

03-24-07, 12:52 PM

The human capacity for rationalizing away an unpleasant reality, is occasionally, a thing of beauty. This is a work of art.

Do you seriously believe Sony were giving away £2000 TV's in order to shft a few hundred £425 PS3's?

Or was it because the press and TV were in abundance at this particular flagship store, and the give away generated a whole heap of column inches, you know, in the hope of spreading the word and selling a few more consoles over the weekend?

Walking around Manchester this morning, PS3's were being sold in stores, this in addition to the confirmed 520,000 sales in the first 24 hours since launch.............

Why let facts and stats get in the way of a good Sony bashing post................

HPforMe

03-24-07, 12:57 PM

Walking around Manchester this morning, PS3's were being sold in stores, this in additon to the confirmed 520,000 sales in the first 24 hours since launch.............

Well that's either a blessing or a curse. For a launch it doesn't sound particularly positive if some were actually sitting in the stores awaiting to be sold. In Canada they are still difficult to get and some big box stores such as Best Buy and Future Shop will not advertise because of availability concerns.

JAG1977

03-24-07, 01:06 PM

Well that's either a blessing or a curse. For a launch it doesn't sound particularly positive if some were actually sitting in the stores awaiting to be sold. In Canada they are still difficult to get and some big box stores such as Best Buy and Future Shop will not advertise because of availability concerns.

Microsoft sold 500k 360's in Europe, in the launch month BEFORE Christmas, Sony sold that in one day, in March, at £425, with few AAA games.

They supplied over 200k consoles to the UK alone, which is a huge number.

GoCheese

03-24-07, 01:26 PM

Well that's either a blessing or a curse. For a launch it doesn't sound particularly positive if some were actually sitting in the stores awaiting to be sold. In Canada they are still difficult to get and some big box stores such as Best Buy and Future Shop will not advertise because of availability concerns.

Hmm assuming we are talking about PS3, not sure which part of Canada you are from, all of but maybe two weeks since their release both BB and FS have been pushing the PS3 in their bi weekly flyers, as well you can find plenty of them and the stores as well as Costco, which is having trouble moving them as well.

huntaar

03-24-07, 01:36 PM

Microsoft sold 500k 360's in Europe, in the launch month BEFORE Christmas, Sony sold that in one day, in March, at £425, with few AAA games.

You keep posting that the PS3 sold over 500k in Europe already. Sold to retailers, maybe. Sold to customers, doubtful. Where is this coming from? Please provide a credible link.

HPforMe

03-24-07, 01:52 PM

Hmm assuming we are talking about PS3, not sure which part of Canada you are from, all of but maybe two weeks since their release both BB and FS have been pushing the PS3 in their bi weekly flyers, as well you can find plenty of them and the stores as well as Costco, which is having trouble moving them as well.

Winnipeg. And it's a fact that their availability is poor here. In fact in mid January I had to go to Edmonton at an HMV store to get one (the last one in stock). Now that may either indicate they are still flying off the shelves or Sony isn't delivering the product in a timely way (or a combination of both).

rto

03-24-07, 02:19 PM

Do you seriously believe Sony were giving away £2000 TV's in order to shft a few hundred £425 PS3's?

Or was it because the press and TV were in abundance at this particular flagship store, and the give away generated a whole heap of column inches, you know, in the hope of spreading the word and selling a few more consoles over the weekend?

Walking around Manchester this morning, PS3's were being sold in stores, this in addition to the confirmed 520,000 sales in the first 24 hours since launch.............

Why let facts and stats get in the way of a good Sony bashing post................

From the BBC online article:

Before the announcement the launch had been in danger of being a little flat.

The queue of gamers seemed small compared to previous launches of consoles and there appeared to be more press, guests and staff than consumers.

I didnt write that. If this giveaway was intended to fully distract reporters from the lukewarm response on the street, it would appear to have failed.

FatiusJeebs

03-24-07, 02:35 PM

My 360 is really, really loud.

Ya know....I guess you can say I am in denial or something but....even though I hear this noise we are complaining about...for it to be a factor as far as the sound experience of both my games and my movie viewing....you guys have got to be listening to things with the volume like at 1 or something.

batmanbegan

03-24-07, 02:44 PM

The human capacity for rationalizing away an unpleasant reality, is occasionally, a thing of beauty. This is a work of art.
That capacity is actually a great gift.. it is why humans are able to adjust to & thus handle disappointments in life. Reference Daniel Gilbert.

Imo, it is also going to come in handy for quite a few people on here in about 6 months.

batmanbegan

03-24-07, 02:46 PM

fozziwig

03-24-07, 02:50 PM

You keep posting that the PS3 sold over 500k in Europe already. Sold to retailers, maybe. Sold to customers, doubtful. Where is this coming from? Please provide a credible link.

http://75.126.103.40/images/guy01/vgchartmar23.jpg

http://www.vgcharts.org/

0.52 million.

I know you will say this is not credible, but anyway, that is VG Charts estimate of PS3's sold to customers in the PAL territories which includes Europe, Australia & New Zealand.

If you'd like more details about how these numbers are compiled then it's explained on the VG Charts site.

Reports from retailers in Europe suggest that almost 50% of the 1 million allocation may have sold in advance orders.

How accurate these estimates are will be known when we get the actual numbers through - not too long from now.

rto

03-24-07, 02:53 PM

That capacity is actually a great gift.. it is why humans are able to adjust to & thus handle disappointments in life. Reference Daniel Gilbert.

Of course. How else to explain why anyone survived the death camps in WWII.

Imo, it is also going to come in handy for quite a few people on here in about 6 months.

The latest ( moving ) deadline for hardware compliance, is October, not September.

batmanbegan

03-24-07, 03:46 PM

Of course. How else to explain why anyone survived the death camps in WWII.

The latest ( moving ) deadline for hardware compliance, is October, not September.
Dunno about the WWII-survivors issue.. you might be right.

I am not talking about the compliance issue. Not what I had in mind.

GoCheese

03-24-07, 03:47 PM

Winnipeg. And it's a fact that their availability is poor here. In fact in mid January I had to go to Edmonton at an HMV store to get one (the last one in stock). Now that may either indicate they are still flying off the shelves or Sony isn't delivering the product in a timely way (or a combination of both).

Ah, that explains it, first a NHL franchise, then lack of PS3, I bet Bettman's behind it.

HPforMe

03-24-07, 03:52 PM

Ah, that explains it, first a NHL franchise, then lack of PS3, I bet Bettman's behind it.

Hehehe. The rat.

george king

03-24-07, 04:44 PM

Subotnik

03-24-07, 06:14 PM

why is everyone arguing about the Sales numbers of the PS3 in PAL territories on the first day. Hell, they sold a crap load in Japan, and NA in the first month or so, and then have seen nothing but steadily declining numbers since then. Everyone in the PAL countries that wanted one, got one, and the question is, how many are they going to sell over time. If the history of the PS3 is any indication, Europe will also see steadily declining sales over time."The history"? There's only four months of sales data, and the only significant decline is between January and February when there's no new content and things are traditionally slow.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Get back to me in a year when the numbers have some significance.

Caurus

03-24-07, 07:27 PM

http://75.126.103.40/images/guy01/vgchartmar23.jpg

http://www.vgcharts.org/

0.52 million.

I know you will say this is not credible, but anyway, that is VG Charts estimate of PS3's sold to customers in the PAL territories which includes Europe, Australia & New Zealand.

If you'd like more details about how these numbers are compiled then it's explained on the VG Charts site.

Reports from retailers in Europe suggest that almost 50% of the 1 million allocation may have sold in advance orders.

How accurate these estimates are will be known when we get the actual numbers through - not too long from now.

Well, - "I know you will say this is not credible,..." - YES! I mean, well, I mean, HELLO!?, I saw this number at noon on launch day! Isn't that like announcing the results of the superbowl 15 minutes before the game starts? Who is buying the PS3? I thought the target group are people around 30 who supposedly have a job. Meaning they go shopping AFTER the finished their days work. This means most of the people buyed the PS3 on launch day between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. So announcing this numer 6 to 8 hours before most of the customers get their PS3 dosn't that ring a bell?

Reading the reports of the launch, looking at the piles in the stores... this 520k number looks VERY - V-E-R-Y - WRONG! They sold on one day about half the units they sold in NA in four month - in two markets about the same size?

Geee, if they really sold 520k to customers, customers NOT retailers, KUDOS TO SONY! I would respect that they would have accomplished a great thing. But I don't see this number to be correct. I just so much beyond the reports you get from all around the world....

I don't know but the 520k figure reminds me of this:
"Thought you might be interested in a message I saw on a board: "Where I work, we originally started a couple of weeks ago with a sign that said "Only 12 PS3s left!" A couple of days later, that changed to "Only six left!" It is now sitting at "Only two left!" We have not sold any since the "12 left" sign"

You can't stop the signal:

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/

BluBoys: don't follow the link. Just ignore it. It is better. HD DVD Fans - better go to the restroom first, you don't want to wet your chair.

Oh boy, whats really bad is the people who are trying to sell the PS3 for profit on ebay. Looks like you get 320 British Pounds for a 500 British Pounds PS3 package:

Will anyone beat this? 320 pounds for a PS3 + a game and an extra controller! Well done Kanyevil86 that's cost you 180 pounds, well it would if you'd actually honoured the deal. No doubt your account will be closed by the end of the day? We imagine all the other sellers are currently trying find the button to "End Auction Early". Ebay is going to be the funniest site on the internet for the next two weeks.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/uploaded_images/ebayshame-736672.jpg

MarekM

03-24-07, 07:32 PM

Well, - "I know you will say this is not credible,..." - YES! I mean, well, I mean, HELLO!?, I saw this number at noon on launch day! Isn't that like announcing the results of the superbowl 15 minutes before the game starts? Who is buying the PS3? I thought the target group are people around 30 who supposedly have a job. Meaning they go shopping AFTER the finished their days work. This means most of the people buyed the PS3 on launch day between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. So announcing this numer 6 to 8 hours before most of the customers get their PS3 dosn't that ring a bell?

Reading the reports of the launch, looking at the piles in the stores... this 520k number looks VERY - V-E-R-Y - WRONG! They sold on one day about half the units they sold in NA - two markets about the same size?

are you serious ?
Maybe you never saw MIDNIGHT MADNESS of selling something.......
If I want something to buy, I will NOT WAIT TILL AFTERNOON to TAKE IT ....
bucause, no one can be sure if tthere will be any unit left .....

Marek

Subotnik

03-24-07, 07:42 PM

Maxpower1987

03-24-07, 07:43 PM

trgraphics

03-24-07, 07:51 PM

Preorders, midnight launch, and a round earth consisting of multiple time zones can account for those numbers.

Round Earth? Just more BR propaganda if you ask me!

Maxpower1987

03-24-07, 07:58 PM

Preorders, midnight launch, and a round earth consisting of multiple time zones can account for those numbers.

A lot of normal (local) stores around the UK opened at 7am to cope with demand, so they would have been open for a while before these numbers were posted, even I know the HMV regional number (my boss is the regional manager for HMV in Wales, though I can't divulge how many here). Head office has reported big sales as well apparently, and a guy I know in GAME has confirmed that their press release wasn't a lie and they have done very, very well. In the UK, at least, the PS3 seems to have launched pretty well, but it will be difficult to continue the momentum without a price-cut in 6 months or so in time for Christmas.

Caurus

03-24-07, 08:05 PM

You lot do realise that these guys are bidding for Pre-order slips, those have a net worth of £50, the rest of the balance is paid on collection of the PS3, so for £320 it is not a bad profit, my maths says £270 profit for a piece of paper. Then again that is how our HMV does it, it could be different in that GAME, apparently it varies from store-to-store, even within the same chain.

@Maxpower1987, nice try to spin the thing - but you have underestimated the power of the bright side!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280090769015

You are bidding for a 60 gig PAL UK Playstation 3 console.
....

And talking about time zones: I was talking about CET Central European Time (UTC+1).

But hey, as I said, if they really sold 520k PS3 on launch day: KUDOS. And thats coming from an HD DVD fan. But I don't see it. Sorry.

harol

03-24-07, 08:12 PM

Maxpower1987

03-24-07, 08:13 PM

@Maxpower1987, nice try to spin the thing - but you have underestimated the power of the bright side!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280090769015

And talking about time zones: I was talking about CET Central European Time (UTC+1).

But hey, as I said, if they really sold 520k PS3 on launch day: KUDOS. And thats coming from an HD DVD fan. But I don't see it. Sorry.

Well whoever bought that is incredibly stupid as they will be asked for £375 when they get to GAME.

I would say that 520,000 is a pretty fair number as a lot of people thought they would sell-out (not me though, we have a few left in our store, some people didn't come and pick their pre-orders up after the 48 hour holding time so we (or will do tomorrow at 12pm) put them back on sale), and some people thought they would crash and burn and only get to 50,000 (you know, your average xbot). Sony have done very well to have enough supply, but not too much as people won't come looking for one until next Thursday (In the UK the normal payday is the last Thursday of the month for monthly people) but mainly because semester ends on the Friday so anxious parents will buy them the day before.

dvdmonster

03-24-07, 08:15 PM

Maxpower1987

03-24-07, 08:18 PM

Well reading newspapers from my town in Norway (not living there at the moment) they're pretty much sold out now. Next batch in 3 weeks. Seemed they had sold 70-80 % on pre-orders and some shops had a couple left. That is according to local newspapers. But it's my experience as well, people who wanted it pre-ordered it, like my and my friends.

I think this is why it sold so well, people who have waited for this long were not going to chicken out now so pre-orders were through the roof. The problem now for Sony is how to keep the interest up as most of the people who wanted a PS3 have a PS3 and £425 is not the best price for impulse buying (£299 is though - there is a handy hint from a lowly salesman Sony!!!!) so we at HMV expect April sales to be average as there are not enough big titles out to warrant a £425 purchase.

Caurus

03-24-07, 08:29 PM

Well whoever bought that is incredibly stupid as they will be asked for £375 when they get to GAME.

I would say that 520,000 is a pretty fair number as a lot of people thought they would sell-out (not me though, we have a few left in our store, some people didn't come and pick their pre-orders up after the 48 hour holding time so we (or will do tomorrow at 12pm) put them back on sale), and some people thought they would crash and burn and only get to 50,000 (you know, your average xbot). Sony have done very well to have enough supply, but not too much as people won't come looking for one until next Thursday (In the UK the normal payday is the last Thursday of the month for monthly people) but mainly because semester ends on the Friday so anxious parents will buy them the day before.

Woooo, the spinning of this ebay auction is making me all dizzy... :)... you noticed that there is already a comment to the auction:

Refused to send item, offered another item for £200 more than what iwon 1st item

Why wouldn't the seller give the slip away if it just would have been the slip. It was an auction about the PS3! The whole damn machine.

But I am with you. If they really sold 520k on launch day, this is great for Sony. Kudos. Respect. It is just that I do not believe the number.

If anybody still needs a PS3 and you can't get one, PM me, I have the impression thats it would be no problem for me to get, well, around 50,000 or so PS3 in a day. I just have to walk in a store where they pile up. And then I am sure I can get Sony to send me a couple ten thousands for distribution...

This is so funny... they should have made the launch on April 1, then the numbers would have made perfectly sense.

If it really was 520k on launch day I will change my sig to express my respect for Sonys work instead of bashing them.

Maxpower1987

03-24-07, 08:38 PM

Woooo, the spinning of this ebay auction is making me all dizzy... :)... you noticed that there is already a comment to the auction:

Why wouldn't the seller give the slip away if it just would have been the slip. It was an auction about the PS3! The whole damn machine.

Then you are indeed correct, the seller was stupid though, did he not see the madness in the US, Sony have too good supply for eBay scalpers to make any money. FYI we sold about 60 on the night and the rest the following day, about 15 people didn't collect their pre-orders so they will go back on sale tomorrow, but I don't think we will sell those until next Friday or Saturday.

r96797

03-24-07, 09:22 PM

The 2 biggest stores in Copenhagen, Denmark, had 9 and 5 people in line at 12.00 .. being one of the richest countrys in the world, Sony should be worried, VERY worried. When the Xbox 360 came out there, there where huge lines.

But then again, if you live in Europe and buy a PS3 .. you have to have a bad taste in you mouth no matter how much of a Sony fanboy you are. Paying almost double for less.

pre-order If there were limited preorders (like in the US), there would have been huge lines as well. My guess is that to make the 6 mil shipped numbers, sony has "stuffed their channels", and shipped a lot of ps3s to europe. No one needs to worry about not getting their ps3? No lines.

Anyways, any comments here are merely swags (scientific wild ass guesses) until we seee some hard numbers. I made my swag a few pages back. :) If harol is right, the actual sales would crush my guess.

george king

03-24-07, 10:53 PM

Neo1965

03-25-07, 12:18 AM

Ripper64

03-25-07, 01:01 AM

Sorry if its been posted but Microsoft carshes in on Sony'e PS3 party in France. MS sent a boat with Xbox 360 Loves you on the side..LOL. Check out the video but its in French. MS Crashes In On Sonys Party (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1inxu_bateau-xbox-au-lancement-ps3)

Subotnik

03-25-07, 01:06 AM

Subotnik,

Check the Numbers, there was a 2 month decline, with back to back drop of 50% sales. Also, the traditionally slow argument doesnt really hold to the extent that the Wii and 360 only dropped about 22%, but the ps3 dropped 50%. Heck the ps3 was outsold by the gameboy advanced.You mean the GBA that has so far managed to sell around 70 million units worldwide? Big surprise there.

By the look of things, what you're saying is that even though every other console experienced a similar back to back decrease in sales over the same period, it's only bad for the PS3 because, well, because you plucked a number out of thin air that only they meet and therefore they're doomed to failure.

HPforMe

03-25-07, 01:07 AM

So what are the actual numbers so far?I'm not talking about stores purchased numbers but the consumers. And does it look like a dud or below expectations. All hype aside please.

darinp2

03-25-07, 03:58 AM

You mean the GBA that has so far managed to sell around 70 million units worldwide?The same GBA that outsold the XBOX360 as recently as November of 2006 (and it took "Gears of War" coming out that month to keep from getting beat even worse). I don't recall whether George addressed whether he thought the XBOX360 had a bad November in 2006 because the GBA outsold it, the last time this came up and I mentioned it.

I think the PS3 had a bad February, but I do wonder about George when he keeps bringing up this GBA thing and it was only 3 months earlier that the XBOX360 lost to the GBA.

--Darin

UxiSXRD

03-25-07, 04:04 AM

I doubt you'll get him to mention that PS2 still outsold the 360, as well, and that combined PS2 and PS3 sales still have Sony #1. Sony is obviously playing a balancing act with the PS2 (which is still very profitable) and the PS3. They don't want to have a mass migration to the PS3 just yet... staged while the PS2 declines is much more reasonable...

fozziwig

03-25-07, 07:30 AM

Reading the reports of the launch, looking at the piles in the stores... this 520k number looks VERY - V-E-R-Y - WRONG! They sold on one day about half the units they sold in NA in four month - in two markets about the same size?

Permit me to correct your misconception.

The 520,000 sales estimate is for the PAL territories. The major populations are as follows:

Australia 20,264,082 (2006 est.)
New Zealand 4,177,520 (current)
Europe 728,000,000 (2006 est.)

Total 752,441,602

Population of USA 298,444,215 (2006 est.)

PAL territories represent a 60% larger market than the USA.

When Sony sell 1 million PS3's they will have reached 0.133% of that market!

xboxboi

03-25-07, 07:43 AM

Microsoft sold 500k 360's in Europe, in the launch month BEFORE Christmas, Sony sold that in one day, in March, at £425, with few AAA games.

They supplied over 200k consoles to the UK alone, which is a huge number.

they have plenty of left over parts to manufacture the PAL consoles because stores in NA are already filled with the consoles that few people are interested in ;)

xboxboi

03-25-07, 07:45 AM

Everyone remember, Sony predicted 6 million PS3 sales worldwide by the end of March. They have 7 days to go, so will they get there?

:D :D cant stop laughing reading this :D :D

Andrew P

03-25-07, 08:20 AM

I think the PS3 had a bad February, but I do wonder about George when he keeps bringing up this GBA thing and it was only 3 months earlier that the XBOX360 lost to the GBA.

--Darin

I think the PS3 has had a bad Nov-Feb period. I cannot imagine things getting any worse for it.

As far as the GBA, I cannot answer that question as to why it is being brought up.

JAG1977

03-25-07, 11:13 AM

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/775/775342p1.html

UK sellout on the cards.

fozziwig

03-25-07, 11:31 AM

Nick Parker, an analyst with Screen Digest, said: “The lack of shortage is supply driven; what Sony has shipped will sell. We estimate that Sony will sell around 4 million units in Europe this year, with 1 to 1.5 million in the UK.”

Some retailers believe that Sony will cut the £425 price of the PlayStation 3 before Christmas. The price reflects the sheer cost of the complex boxes, which include the pricey Blu-ray, high-definition DVD players. However, the recent strengthening of the yen may help justify a price cut. Sony is also able to play the currency game more effectively in Europe and the UK than in the US. The per-machine losses in Europe are more or less negated by currency exchange rates.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1533825.ece

MichaelHDDVD

03-25-07, 12:23 PM

Didn't Sony give away 100 free 46" Bravia LCD HDTVs on launch day to people who purchased a PS3 in Europe? Is Sony really that desperate? I mean heck I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia.

JAG1977

03-25-07, 12:41 PM

Didn't Sony give away 100 free 46" Bravia LCD HDTVs on launch day to people who purchased a PS3 in Europe? Is Sony really that desperate? I mean heck I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia.

Correct, they gave away £2000 TV's to flog a few hundred consoles.

It was not, I repeat not, a clever PR stunt to generate media headlines and sell more PS3's over the busy weekend period.

Ilka

03-25-07, 01:56 PM

Didn't Sony give away 100 free 46" Bravia LCD HDTVs on launch day to people who purchased a PS3 in Europe? Is Sony really that desperate? I mean heck I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia.

LOL -- that "desperate" gesture sure got a lot of positive reporting though.

MichaelHDDVD

03-25-07, 02:22 PM

LOL -- that "desperate" gesture sure got a lot of positive reporting though.

Of course it did! Like I said I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia HDTV

SyHD

03-25-07, 02:33 PM

Of course it did! Like I said I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia HDTV

Clearly you don't know the difference between a PR move and an incentive to buy a product. If they wanted the free TV giveaway as an incentive, then they would of announced it BEFOREHAND. They didn't announce it beforehand and the people in line did not know about the offer when they got it in line. It was a classic PR move.

studiotan

03-25-07, 05:04 PM

Clearly you don't know the difference between a PR move and an incentive to buy a product. If they wanted the free TV giveaway as an incentive, then they would of announced it BEFOREHAND. They didn't announce it beforehand and the people in line did not know about the offer when they got it in line. It was a classic PR move.

I'm sorry, but it still comes across as very desperate. A free 46" HDTV? If that doesn't scream "Like us! Like us!" I don't know what does. Talk about overcompensating.

gandley

03-25-07, 06:15 PM

seems like Sony were right then, DAMED IF THEY DO AND DAMED IF THEY DONT.

FFS,why cant people just say, "nice one Sony didnt expect that consumer friendly move." :p

they were probaly all refurbished units, but hey good for them.

FatiusJeebs

03-25-07, 06:18 PM

Well...when you have made the announcement that the PS3 you are paying for is watered-down compared to the rest of the world's PS3's....you gotta cover your butt somehow.

UxiSXRD

03-25-07, 06:25 PM

Didn't Sony give away 100 free 46" Bravia LCD HDTVs on launch day to people who purchased a PS3 in Europe? Is Sony really that desperate? I mean heck I'd buy a PS3 if I got a free 46" Bravia.

Circuit City gave away 100 free PS3's at the NYC launch. They also gave away 5 at 6 or 7 other regional locations... It's called launch day promo.

gandley

03-25-07, 06:27 PM

MichaelHDDVD

03-25-07, 06:43 PM

Clearly you don't know the difference between a PR move and an incentive to buy a product. If they wanted the free TV giveaway as an incentive, then they would of announced it BEFOREHAND. They didn't announce it beforehand and the people in line did not know about the offer when they got it in line. It was a classic PR move.

Actually, I know the difference between the two, get over it

Now I know the give away wasnt announced beforehand

rto

03-25-07, 06:52 PM

LOL -- that "desperate" gesture sure got a lot of positive reporting though.

It was a publicity/PR stunt, and the reporting was generally "positive," but only so long as a reader skimmed over this unfortunate fact:

The queue of gamers seemed small compared to previous launches of consoles and there appeared to be more press, guests and staff than consumers.

I don't know how you can spin that, as anything other than an embarrassment.

Icemage

03-25-07, 07:45 PM

so it uses software instead in 1 feature of its specs, that for most isnt that important and this makes it watered down :rolleyes: so in real terms at its worst is now on par with the 360 as far as BC goes. Oh Joy

I'd say it's actually better coming out of the gates.

Mobygames.com shows 1244 PlayStation 1 games, and 1384 PlayStation 2 games. Of those, the European PS3's BC listing shows 1,782 games with backwards compatibility. While I'm not sure that Mobygames manages to catch every obscure title, they should have most, which puts the BC listing for PS3 at 67.8%.

The Xbox 360's current backward compability list shows 286 backward compatible titles, out of 819 games listed by Mobygames, which yields a BC rating of 39.4%.

Subotnik

03-25-07, 07:53 PM

I'm sorry, but it still comes across as very desperate. A free 46" HDTV? If that doesn't scream "Like us! Like us!" I don't know what does. Talk about overcompensating.Not as desperate as Microsoft crashing the Paris launch.

But then no one knows more about crashing than MS.

yellowlt4

03-25-07, 11:01 PM

seems like Sony were right then, DAMED IF THEY DO AND DAMED IF THEY DONT.

FFS,why cant people just say, "nice one Sony didnt expect that consumer friendly move." :p

No doubt, this was a great PR move on Sony's part. The Sony bashing fan boys are just desperate to make anything Sony does look bad.

GoCheese

03-25-07, 11:11 PM

Not as desperate as Microsoft crashing the Paris launch.

LOL..That was pure genius, at least it woke everyone up at the PS3 launch...

los seres

03-26-07, 12:57 AM

PS3 unable to surpass Xbox 360 until mid-2008, may peak in 2009, say Taiwan game firms

Digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070326PD202.html)

Viewing that the sales performance of the PlayStation 3 (PS3) has been far short of Sony's original expectations since its launch in November 2006, the PS3 will be unable to surpass the Xbox 360 in terms of global market status until mid-2008 when its games library reaches a sufficient size, and then may reach its peak in 2009, according to Taiwan games developers/operators.

The PS3 is less competitive than the Xbox 360 in terms of number of titles and with the Wii in the creativity of its games, according to the sources. There are only 11 games specifically developed for the PS3, and Sony's 3D web community platform PlayStation Home is not yet available, the sources indicated.

However, the PS3 will eventually see a turning point in global market competition when more games are available and PlayStation Home provides a complete variety of services, the sources noted.

FatiusJeebs

03-26-07, 01:03 AM

Not as desperate as Microsoft crashing the Paris launch.

But then no one knows more about crashing than MS.

Thats not desparation.....thats a good ol' fashioned slap in the face! :D

FatiusJeebs

03-26-07, 01:04 AM

What about all those studios that jumped on the blu-ray bandwagon for this machine? I wonder how they feel now?

UxiSXRD

03-26-07, 01:11 AM

Given that disc sales are 3:1, probably pretty good. :)

darinp2

03-26-07, 01:20 AM

What about all those studios that jumped on the blu-ray bandwagon for this machine? I wonder how they feel now?Care to guess at how many PS3s Sony will have sold for this launch (overall and/or just for the UK)? I realize that the launch parties didn't go as planned, but for those who think sales for this thing were so bad in Europe that studios should be upset, I would like to hear some numbers. Here is some info the vgcharts.org site has for XBOX360 sales. In all of 2005 (they launched late), about 150k XBOX360s sold in the UK. In all of 2006, about 750k XBOX360s sold in the UK. 2005 was probably supply constrained, but much of 2006 wouldn't be. If Sony sells close to the number of PS3s in the UK in one week during March that Microsoft sold of the XBOX360 during the end of 2005 (a holiday period), will that still be the bust that many here are claiming? What about 100k? I would like to hear numbers instead of just descriptions like "bust" that people can then say fit to whatever numbers end up coming in, regardless of what those sales figures are.

--Darin

FatiusJeebs

03-26-07, 01:30 AM

Darin....the facts are....

1. MS never made any studios any promises of success for this format war. They did not tell Universal or any other supporter of HD-DVD that by joining the HD-DVD format they would be rolling in the money.

2. The PS3 has its word cut out for it as far as attracting people to buy it for blu-ray playback AND it is also losing appeal as a gaming machine becuz it is losing exclusives left and right. Talk all you want about launch...the bottom line here is that the PR the PS3 is recieving is negative across the boards. The 360 on the other hand isn't shattering records but it still selling at a healthy rate and thats without Halo. (I won't even get into the Wii effect.)

3. Finally, when all is said and done..the PS3 will then have to go up against a 360 with extremely popular and hyped up exclusives, and price drops on the system and its peripherals.

And I'm just talking about gaming consoles.....the standalones are dropping in price across the board.

You honestly think the studios aren't noticing this? The only reason you guys have the impressive studio support was becuz of the promise of the juggernaut console. I'm sure some of the studios are beginning to feel a little nervous.

darinp2

03-26-07, 01:39 AM

Darin....the facts are....So does this mean you won't make a prediction for how many PS3s they sold in this launch? :)
1. MS never made any studios any promises of success for this format war. They did not tell Universal or any other supporter of HD-DVD that by joining the HD-DVD format they would be rolling in the money.I think Universal joined the HD DVD camp exclusively before MS did (at least officially). I don't know if studios on either side were promised that they would be rolling in the money, but it is probably Toshiba who would have been making the promises, not MS.

I do believe the PS3 is in a real battle in the gaming area and I won't be surprised at all if it ends up third. But as far as the next gen HD disc war, it seems like it is doing a good job to me. We'll see as time goes on whether Toshiba and the rest can beat it, but even if it is third in the gaming battle it could have a very big effect on the HD disc battle war and maybe be the main factor tipping in Blu-ray's way. I'll be watching the sales for Europe. Given that HD DVD looks like they had a much smaller lead over Blu-ray at the time of the launch than they did in the US, I don't think that bodes well for HD DVD the next few months. But we'll see.
The only reason you guys have the impressive studio support was becuz of the promise of the juggernaut console.Since I own a PS3 I guess you can say I got that impressive studio support, but I currently own 4 HD DVD players if you count the XA2 on its way (I'll sell my HD-A2), so I basically get the content from everybody.
I'm sure some of the studios are beginning to feel a little nervous.Studios on both sides should be nervous if they are counting on their side winning. That goes for Universal too.

--Darin

Subotnik

03-26-07, 01:57 AM

Thats not desparation.....thats a good ol' fashioned slap in the face! :DWhen your sales are so bad that you attend someone elses launch party just to get noticed, it's a pretty good sign of desperation.

FatiusJeebs

03-26-07, 02:00 AM

When your sales are so bad that you attend someone elses launch party just to get noticed, it's a pretty good sign of desperation.

Nice try. I call it rubbing it in. :D

Subotnik

03-26-07, 02:14 AM

Nice try. I call it rubbing it in. :DHave you seen their sales numbers? With that kind of performance it probably wasn't a party boat, it was Xbox HQ.

wittangamo

03-26-07, 09:52 AM

So does this mean you won't make a prediction for how many PS3s they sold in this launch?

I'm not going to guess. But if I did, my prediction would likely be more accurate than Sony's.

They forecast 6 million in worldwide sales by March, and confirmed that estimate on several occasions. If Sony can't accurately predict its own PS3 sales (and they haven't come close on any public estimate yet,) why do you think any of us should take your dare?

BTW, what's YOUR prediction? Let's get it on the record before the hard numbers come out.

Caurus

03-26-07, 10:10 AM

I'm not going to guess. But if I did, my prediction would likely be more accurate than Sony's.

They forecast 6 million in worldwide sales by March, and confirmed that estimate on several occasions. If Sony can't accurately predict its own PS3 sales (and they haven't come close on any public estimate yet,) why do you think any of us should take your dare?

BTW, what's YOUR prediction? Let's get it on the record before the hard numbers come out.

Well I think Sony can predict the PS3 sales numbers very good. And I guess they will have some very good predictions in their internal papers. It is just that they will have different, lower, numbers on these papers than they are publishing. The high numbers they are publishing are IMHO marketing. They try to let the PS3 look as a hot device, they try to hype it. I mean this is how they got the studio support for Bluray. If the studios would have known the real numbers, they would have run away from Sony faster than Sony could have said bluberrypie.

skogan

03-26-07, 10:12 AM

Care to guess at how many PS3s Sony will have sold for this launch (overall and/or just for the UK)? I realize that the launch parties didn't go as planned, but for those who think sales for this thing were so bad in Europe that studios should be upset, I would like to hear some numbers. Here is some info the vgcharts.org site has for XBOX360 sales. In all of 2005 (they launched late), about 150k XBOX360s sold in the UK. In all of 2006, about 750k XBOX360s sold in the UK. 2005 was probably supply constrained, but much of 2006 wouldn't be. If Sony sells close to the number of PS3s in the UK in one week during March that Microsoft sold of the XBOX360 during the end of 2005 (a holiday period), will that still be the bust that many here are claiming? What about 100k? I would like to hear numbers instead of just descriptions like "bust" that people can then say fit to whatever numbers end up coming in, regardless of what those sales figures are.

--Darin

I'm not sure why you included the 360 numbers here. What difference does it make if Sony sells more or less than MS sells, in terms of whether it was a successful launch? It's possible that neither had a successful launch, or both had a successful launch, but describing their numbers relative to each other won't allow for that.

If one is comparing the PS3 launch to a regular CE product, then surely it was successful launch. If one was comparing it to the other new game consoles, it looks like it was just an "ok" launch. If one is comparing it to other high def DVD players, it was a great success. So it just depends on the frame of reference, imo.

batmanbegan

03-26-07, 10:40 AM

I'm not going to guess. But if I did, my prediction would likely be more accurate than Sony's.
I am buying a bunch of sony stock this week. Any advice? I am all agog by your claim above.

batmanbegan

03-26-07, 10:44 AM

If one is comparing the PS3 launch to a regular CE product, then surely it was successful launch. If one was comparing it to the other new game consoles, it looks like it was just an "ok" launch.
Skogan, dont you agree that "one-week worth of PS3 sales = post-launch 360 sales in 2005" would make the PS3 launch a good show?

Imo, most products should be judged relative to competition in the market segment (preferably same price competition , but the 360 is all we have).

skogan

03-26-07, 10:57 AM

Skogan, dont you agree that "one-week worth of PS3 sales = post-launch 360 sales in 2005" would make the PS3 launch a good show?

Not if the 360 also had a bad launch.

The 360 had supply problem, which the PS3 avoided simply by delaying their launch until they had a good supply built up. I don't know why that would be better or worse. Remember, we're only talking about 2 months of 2005 sales here, so the question is whether it would have been better for MS to delay their launch until March 2006 so they could have had more units to sell on launch day, or to have supply constraints in Nov. and Dec. of 05. I guess it's 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

Imo, most products should be judged relative to competition in the market segment (preferably same price competition , but the 360 is all we have).

If you compare the PS3 to other hi def DVD players, it is selling very, very good. And that is what we care about in this forum. No other hi def dvd player is coming close. When you say "market segment" do you mean the game market, or the player market? Because it is only doing okay in the game market, but it is doing fantastic in the player market, imo.

batmanbegan

03-26-07, 10:58 AM

@ Skogan, fair enough. I agree, the 360 was supply-constrained.

I meant game market.

los seres

03-26-07, 01:20 PM

Looks like A little over 20,000 PS3 Units Sold in Australia.

Gameindustrybiz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23772)

sedaku

03-26-07, 02:44 PM

Record-breaking 165,000 PS3s sold at UK launch

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26261/Record-breaking-165000-PS3s-sold-at-UK-launch

New format becomes fastest-selling home console ever over its debut weekend.
ChartTrack has confirmed that 165,000 PS3 units were sold during the console's launch weekend.

The figure is three quarters of the total 220,000 UK launch stock for day one, and makes PS3 second only to PSP in the overall launch weekend sales stakes. The Sony handheld shifted 185,000 in its opening weekend back in September 2005.

PS3’s record-breaking debut for a home console comfortably beats the previous top seller Nintendo Wii, which sold 105,000 after its frantic launch weekend in December last year. Fellow format rival Xbox 360 racked up an estimated 70,000 at launch in December 2005.

The figure also means that Sony has not sold all of its opening weekend stock, something the platform holder claims is part of its overall strategy at retail.

- Read this Friday's MCV for a full, authoritative analysis of the PS3 launch

Let's get ready to rumble...

briankmonkey

03-26-07, 03:25 PM

JAG1977

03-26-07, 03:26 PM

But, but, but......................there were stores with PS3's on the shelves, it's obviously been a disaster for Sony, lol.

briankmonkey

03-26-07, 03:33 PM

But, but, but......................there were stores with PS3's on the shelves, it's obviously been a disaster for Sony, lol.

lol, funny because its true :p

r96797

03-26-07, 04:11 PM

Neo1965

03-26-07, 04:20 PM

Looks like my guess of 500k for the 1st week (worldwide launch) may be reasonable.

That's not bad BTW, 75% of the amount they stocked. Would be nicer if the % was higher, but it wasn't the 5 person party flop people were making it out to be.
vgcharts.org estimate was 520K in europe + Australia for launch day. Now that's a lot of countries, so it could be based on presold units as I'm not sure how they can get accurate sales data as opposed to shipped, which is reportedly 1M+ in europe alone.

UK is a natural market for RFoM because not only was it written by brits, the setting itself was post-apocalyptic UK with battles fought in major cities.

I wonder if France and Germany and Italy and Spain will do anywhere near that number. Probably not though, since UK already made a big bulk of that 520K 1st day number.

skogan

03-26-07, 04:20 PM

Looks like my guess of 500k for the 1st week (worldwide launch) may be reasonable.

That's not bad BTW, 75% of the amount they stocked. Would be nicer if the % was higher, but it wasn't the 5 person party flop people were making it out to be.

From the reports I've seen, it is selling best in the U.K., but not as good in France and most of the rest of Europe.

Of course, I don't know why anyone would wait in line at all in Europe for a PS3. Sony pretty much guarenteed they would have adequate stock. People who want one might as well avoid the crowds and drop by the store later in the week, since there's not as much chance of it being out of stock. That may explain some of the reports of low turnout. Who would go through all that headache of waiting in line if they didn't have to?

Slim GoodBooty

03-26-07, 04:32 PM

I did not expect it to sell more than the Wii and 360 combined. That is pretty impressive!
The Wii and Xbox had supply issues.

Neo1965

03-26-07, 04:33 PM

From the reports I've seen, it is selling best in the U.K., but not as good in France and most of the rest of Europe.

Of course, I don't know why anyone would wait in line at all in Europe for a PS3. Sony pretty much guarenteed they would have adequate stock. People who want one might as well avoid the crowds and drop by the store later in the week, since there's not as much chance of it being out of stock. That may explain some of the reports of low turnout. Who would go through all that headache of waiting in line if they didn't have to?
The real test is to see how PS3 1 day sales compared to x360. These are the only hyper-expensive HD gaming platforms today that would test the budget of most middle class earners in europe.

UK sold more PS3s in one day than X360 in all of 2005, but this doesn't mean it gets repeated everywhere. Australia apparently went to x360 (actually to wii). have to see how France, Germany, Spain, Italy did, but based on the 520K total, with UK alone taking 165K, I doubt any other country in europe sold more than 100K on launch day.

Would be nice if there was a way to track how many x360 sold in each of those countries in 2005.

wnorris

03-26-07, 04:35 PM

Looks like my guess of 500k for the 1st week (worldwide launch) may be reasonable.

That's not bad BTW, 75% of the amount they stocked. Would be nicer if the % was higher, but it wasn't the 5 person party flop people were making it out to be.

And the numbers are out for Australia too. The PS3 sold 20,000 units, compared to the 360 launch of 30,000 and the wii launch of 32,000. So it didn't seem to fare as well there.

It does look like the UK is going to be the best performing European launch location, with things tapering off from there.

With 1 million units available, I'd hazard to say the entire launch sold about 600k units, or 60% of inventory on hand. Sounds like many scalpers bought units too, like in the US, so I'm sure some percentage will find there way back to stores once they realize stores are still stocked full.

wnorris

03-26-07, 04:37 PM

The Wii and Xbox had supply issues.

Yep, the Wii and Xbox sold 100% of inventory on hand. The PS3 sold 75% of inventory in the UK and less in other parts of the world.

r96797

03-26-07, 04:45 PM

And the numbers are out for Australia too. The PS3 sold 20,000 units, compared to the 360 launch of 30,000 and the wii launch of 32,000. So it didn't seem to fare as well there.

It does look like the UK is going to be the best performing European launch location, with things tapering off from there.

With 1 million units available, I'd hazard to say the entire launch sold about 600k units, or 60% of inventory on hand. Sounds like many scalpers bought units too, like in the US, so I'm sure some percentage will find there way back to stores once they realize stores are still stocked full.

Yeah, it's one reason why my guesstimate was a bit conservative.

The Wii and Xbox had supply issues.

What is better, selling 100% and being supply constrained, or selling 50% and being demand constrained?

I think there's no clear answer to this. IMO the wii being supply constrained gives people the feeling that "it's worth it" or a "bargain", and drives people to purchase it if they have the chance. On the other hand, if there were wiis flowing out nintendo's ass, they might just pass on it.

If sony constrained the supply, and didn't allow preorders, would they have sold more in the longer term, as people tend to place more value on items that are limited quantity?

Neo1965

03-26-07, 04:49 PM

I'm not going to guess. But if I did, my prediction would likely be more accurate than Sony's.

They forecast 6 million in worldwide sales by March, and confirmed that estimate on several occasions. If Sony can't accurately predict its own PS3 sales (and they haven't come close on any public estimate yet,) why do you think any of us should take your dare?

BTW, what's YOUR prediction? Let's get it on the record before the hard numbers come out.
People are very liberal with the definition of ship vs sold. Mr Gates himself took the opportunity to highlight that x360 will sell 10M units by end of 2006, yet here we are in March of '07 and estimates are that while more than 10M units have shipped, sold units are still in the 9.7M range. It will probably cross that number by end of April, but that is a 4 month slip --- when it comes to fisccal matters, MSFT is usually very conservative in their estimates, so this is a rare slip to come from MSFT if he meant sold vs ship.

Not that it detracts from Bill's place in history as one of the most remarkable individuals to have graced our presence. :D

Mr. Hanky

03-26-07, 04:56 PM

What is better, selling 100% and being supply constrained, or selling 50% and being demand constrained?

I'll take a guess and say the ideal scenario is where the product of unit sale price x total units sold is the highest and the total units sold comes just short of the maximum production volume (so you have a bit of surplus left on the shelf).

MichFan

03-26-07, 05:23 PM

r96797

03-26-07, 05:28 PM

Just chiming in to remind everyone that 360 took the global launch approach, which explains the supply constraint, whereas PS3 delayed Europe by 4 months, which explains the surplus in supply. Because of this, it's hard for a fanboy on either side to make anything valid out of initial numbers from Europe and comparisons with the 360 launch.

On the HD front -- 500K units, if true, is a great start for Blue-Ray in Europe. As in North America, the question remains what type of movie sales are generated by PS3 owners over the longterm. It'll also be interesting to see what happens to PS3 sales when Blue-Ray players hit $199-$299 and PS3 is no longer the cheapest entry point for non-gamers.

It's hard to say what will happen to sales when blu-ray players drop in price. Supposedly better games will be out by then, which will drive sales of ps3 purchases for gaming purposes. Also, as better & cheaper blu-ray players come out, less & less people will use the ps3 as blu-ray players.

Think back to the ps2 dvd player.

briankmonkey

03-26-07, 05:30 PM

The Wii and Xbox had supply issues.

If they only released 175k (combine Wii/360 figures) PS3's, clearly the would have sold out.

Should we knock Sony for meeting demand better than MS and Nintendo did?

skogan

03-26-07, 06:05 PM

If they only released 175k (combine Wii/360 figures) PS3's, clearly the would have sold out.

Should we knock Sony for meeting demand better than MS and Nintendo did?

It's not really knocking Sony, but just giving some context to the numbers.

MS and Nintendo didn't delay their launch until March in order to build up a big supply. Sony did, and consequently they are able to brag about having the biggest launch in history.

If one didn't know about the supply constraint issues, one might be led to believe that Sony's launch was bigger because there was more demand, - which is usually why one product sells better than another product. So the issue about the supply constraint just provides context for the numbers, and shows the supply accounts for the sales differences at least as much as demand.

skogan

03-26-07, 06:08 PM

The real test is to see how PS3 1 day sales compared to x360.

Real test of what?

Mr. Hanky

03-26-07, 06:37 PM

If they only released 175k (combine Wii/360 figures) PS3's, clearly the would have sold out.

Should we knock Sony for meeting demand better than MS and Nintendo did?

...and on top of that, it really deep-6's the theory that the PS3 would be the console with supply issues due to all of its high-technology elements (BR drive, Cell yields, motherboard architecture, etc.), where Wii and X360 are frequently vaunted for "more established" technologies, but still managed to be supply restricted.

JAG1977

03-26-07, 07:38 PM

The Wii and Xbox had supply issues.

And benefited from a pre Christmas rush.

JAG1977

03-26-07, 07:45 PM

On the back of PS3, 24000 Blu-ray movies were sold last week.

The previous week Blu-ray sold approximately 1000 titles, HD-DVD 2500.

Neo1965

03-26-07, 07:48 PM

Real test of what?
Real test of the apetite that europeans have for expensive game boxes. Remember that these highdef gaming boxes were launched a lot more expensive than anything else they've seen.

skogan

03-26-07, 09:07 PM

Real test of the apetite that europeans have for expensive game boxes. Remember that these highdef gaming boxes were launched a lot more expensive than anything else they've seen.

But 1st day sales won't tell us that, because one system was supply constrained while the other was demand constrained.

AnthonyP

03-26-07, 09:40 PM

From the reports I've seen, it is selling best in the U.K., but not as good in France and most of the rest of Europe.

Of course, I don't know why anyone would wait in line at all in Europe for a PS3. Sony pretty much guaranteed they would have adequate stock. People who want one might as well avoid the crowds and drop by the store later in the week, since there's not as much chance of it being out of stock. That may explain some of the reports of low turnout. Who would go through all that headache of waiting in line if they didn't have to?

agree, in part. Sony upped the numbers shipped to different places based on preorders. I think part of the issue is the spin and BS on this site. I just happened to be in Paris last week (why no posts from me), the morning when I went for work there was a line up (realized it was PS3 related afterwards), the lines were not extremely long (like here) but then again Sony upped the number for France. The weather was also total crap (rainy and cold) I am sure that and the fact that there were many gaming stores around the place ( 2 places around 30min walk from the Eiffel tower -near where I was staying)

darinp2

03-27-07, 02:05 AM

On the back of PS3, 24000 Blu-ray movies were sold last week.

The previous week Blu-ray sold approximately 1000 titles, HD-DVD 2500.Can you tell us where that info is from?

I don't remember if it was in this thread, but somebody was asking if we could get numbers for the different countries for 2005. You can get some here for 2005:

http://www.vgcharts.org/euroyearly.php?year=2005

and just change the end for 2006 to:

http://www.vgcharts.org/euroyearly.php?year=2006

They show the XBOX360 selling about 150k in the UK, 60k in France, and 50k in Germany for 2005. They would have been supplied constrained then. For most of 2006 I don't believe they would have been and there the numbers are 750k in the UK, 310k in France, and 260k in Germany for 2006. They would have gotten to take advantage of the Christmas season, probably without real supply problems, and I'm guessing they would have been back end loaded. So, probably didn't average 60k per month early in 2006 for the UK, while they did average a little more than that per month for all of 2006.

--Darin

ColinH

03-27-07, 03:03 AM

Can you tell us where that info is from?

One of our members at UK AVForums has access to such info.: -

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477024&page=31

"2007 UK Sales by HD Format, once I have the HD-DVD figures for week 12 I'll post up last weeks sales.

BD sold nearly 24,000 units last week, best seller Casino Royal selling 9,456 units week 1 (I'll amend my original post to show this figure)

Worst selling New Release title on BD last week, Scary Movie 4 selling 25 copies."

Jim Morrison

03-27-07, 03:13 AM

On the back of PS3, 24000 Blu-ray movies were sold last week.

The previous week Blu-ray sold approximately 1000 titles, HD-DVD 2500.

So there were more Blu-Ray titles sold in the UK last week than there were HD-DVD titles in the USA? :eek:

batmanbegan

03-27-07, 06:00 AM

Worst selling New Release title on BD last week, Scary Movie 4 selling 25 copies."
Why oh why did even 25 people buy that "movie" in high def? :)

kidding

harol

03-27-07, 06:05 AM

Real test of the apetite that europeans have for expensive game boxes. Remember that these highdef gaming boxes were launched a lot more expensive than anything else they've seen.

Wrong, PS2 cost about the same in Real terms when that was released.

Neo1965

03-27-07, 08:05 AM

Wrong, PS2 cost about the same in Real terms when that was released.

I'm using this table for reference

Region 20GB 60GB
Japan JP¥49,980 $424 JP¥59,980 $509
United States US$499 US$599
Canada C$599 $517 C$659 $569
Hong Kong HKD$3,180 $407 HKD$3,780 $484
Taiwan NT$14,980 $453 NT$17,980 $544
United Kingdom[17] TBC GB£425 $833
Eurozone (excluding
Greece, Ireland and
Finland) €499 $663 €599 $796
Denmark 4295 DKK† $766 5495 DKK† $981
India (Incl. VAT) TBC ₨39990 $918
Ireland (Incl. VAT) €529.99 $582 €629.99 $692
Finland €550 $731 €650 $864
Greece €559 $743 €659 $876
Norway TBC 5995 NOK† $981
Sweden TBC 6199 SEK† $887
Switzerland CHF 749 $615 CHF 899 $738
Australia TBC A$999.95 $806
New Zealand NZ$999† $711 NZ$1199.95 $854
South Africa(excl. Vat)TBC ZAR5417.96 $750
Singapore S$499 $329 S$799 $527
Mexico MXN$8000 $727 MXN$10000 $909
Philippines PHP31000 $645 PHP42000 $874

By comparison, UK launch for PS2 2001 was GBP299 compared to 425 for PS3.

wiki has a table of price curve for PS2, so pricing should decline the same way over time. (scroll to bottom).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

mobius

03-27-07, 08:32 AM

...and on top of that, it really deep-6's the theory that the PS3 would be the console with supply issues due to all of its high-technology elements (BR drive, Cell yields, motherboard architecture, etc.), where Wii and X360 are frequently vaunted for "more established" technologies, but still managed to be supply restricted.

Whoa there bucko. :)

If the Sony hadn't delayed the Euro launch, the PS3 would've had supply problems.

Ilka

03-27-07, 08:46 AM

So there were more Blu-Ray titles sold in the UK last week than there were HD-DVD titles in the USA? :eek:

!

harol

03-27-07, 08:52 AM

I'm using this table for reference

Region 20GB 60GB
Japan JP¥49,980 $424 JP¥59,980 $509
United States US$499 US$599
Canada C$599 $517 C$659 $569
Hong Kong HKD$3,180 $407 HKD$3,780 $484
Taiwan NT$14,980 $453 NT$17,980 $544
United Kingdom[17] TBC GB£425 $833
Eurozone (excluding
Greece, Ireland and
Finland) €499 $663 €599 $796
Denmark 4295 DKK† $766 5495 DKK† $981
India (Incl. VAT) TBC ₨39990 $918
Ireland (Incl. VAT) €529.99 $582 €629.99 $692
Finland €550 $731 €650 $864
Greece €559 $743 €659 $876
Norway TBC 5995 NOK† $981
Sweden TBC 6199 SEK† $887
Switzerland CHF 749 $615 CHF 899 $738
Australia TBC A$999.95 $806
New Zealand NZ$999† $711 NZ$1199.95 $854
South Africa(excl. Vat)TBC ZAR5417.96 $750
Singapore S$499 $329 S$799 $527
Mexico MXN$8000 $727 MXN$10000 $909
Philippines PHP31000 $645 PHP42000 $874

By comparison, UK launch for PS2 2001 was GBP299 compared to 425 for PS3.

wiki has a table of price curve for PS2, so pricing should decline the same way over time. (scroll to bottom).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

Yupp, you are right. I thought the UK launch price for PS2 was closer to 400. So adjusting for inflation around 10 % from 2001 to 2007, the launch price in todays money on PS2 was £330 vs £425 for PS3.

batmanbegan

03-27-07, 09:20 AM

So, how many europeans here have noticed the Playstation 3 hoardings in the Champions League games? (soccer, for our north american friends)

Wonder how much that helps the sales.. does the 360 or Wii have that kind of high-exposure marketing in Europe?

onthepunt

03-27-07, 09:41 AM

I went to GAME, Gamestation, HMV, ASDA and Virgin today and not one had blu-ray movies :( Gamestation had a selection of over priced HD-DVDs piled in the 360 section though. I would have thought they would have got some Blu-Rays out in public view especially now as there are 165,000 ps3 blu-ray players in the UK alone.

Mr. Hanky

03-27-07, 11:54 AM

Whoa there bucko. :)

If the Sony hadn't delayed the Euro launch, the PS3 would've had supply problems.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda... The fact remains, Sony picked the right strategy to stage their releases to ensure supply is comparable to demand. The "other guys" chose a strategy that resulted in supply not meeting demand, despite having console designs that were more "manufacturable in volume". It's just ironic that this point that is so often leveraged by the anti-sony crowd ended up being more an issue for their own consoles than PS3.

Kampf kobold

03-27-07, 01:29 PM

So there were more Blu-Ray titles sold in the UK last week than there were HD-DVD titles in the USA? :eek:

The numbers are for the UK only, no?

r96797

03-27-07, 03:22 PM

The PlayStation 3 console has broken UK sales records with more than 165,000 machines sold in the first two days of release, say analysts Chart Track.
More than a million consoles were shipped across Europe on launch day last week with 600,000 sold.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6499841.stm

Seems like my guess was a bit too low

600k over last weekend.

Sketcha

03-27-07, 04:17 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6499841.stm

Seems like my guess was a bit too low

600k over last weekend.
Nice. :)

darinp2

03-27-07, 05:12 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6499841.stm

Seems like my guess was a bit too low

600k over last weekend.I wonder how many will still say that the launch was a dud, bomb, or whatever. I don't remember anybody else being willing to step up and predict a number. As I mentioned, they could take whatever the numbers ended up being and spin them to fit their description after the fact, which is why I asked for numbers. Looks like I was way off on the whole launch. I believe I predicted about 150k for the UK in the first week and 300k overall. My gut feeling is still that the Wii is going to win amongst the consoles, but I'm personally impressed with this 600k number. Definitely not a sign that Sony should give up on the PS3.

--Darin

george king

03-27-07, 05:15 PM

darin,

I wonder how many will still say that the launch was a dud, bomb, or whatever. I don't remember anybody else being willing to step up and predict a number

If you remember, I did. If I remember correctly, I said that they would probably sell about 500K units in the first month, and then like Japan and NA, demand would drop significantly. We shall see what happens.

darinp2

03-27-07, 05:22 PM

If you remember, I did. If I remember correctly, I said that they would probably sell about 500K units in the first month, and then like Japan and NA, demand would drop significantly. We shall see what happens.Sorry for forgetting about that. It will definitely be interesting to watch as things unfold.

--Darin

Subotnik

03-27-07, 05:33 PM

darin,

If you remember, I did. If I remember correctly, I said that they would probably sell about 500K units in the first month, and then like Japan and NA, demand would drop significantly. We shall see what happens.Demand always drops significantly after launch. What's important is whether it continues to drop like an xbox in Japan, or whether sales pick up over time.

And no, two back to back drops are not a good indication of a console's long term success.

george king

03-27-07, 05:36 PM

darin,

dont worry, there are so many threads and posts it is hard to keep track of. That said, I dont know why people on both sides are making a big deal of this. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that Sony will sell a bunch quickly. There are always the fanboys, and the people who want the new, and so forth. So, initial sales are important, but not critical. The important part is how the thing sells after the initial surge.

mikemorel

03-27-07, 06:09 PM

Sony PS3 hit by £10m in cancellations (http://www.brandrepublic.com/BrandRepublicNews/News/646182/Sony-PS3-hit-10m-cancellations/)

LONDON - The long-awaited UK launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) games console has been marred by the cancellation of more than £10m worth of orders from retailers and consumers.

Retail industry sources claim the electronics giant has had as many as 20,000 pre-orders of the £425 console cancelled in the run-up to its delayed launch last Friday.
Ouch...Looks like the EBay crowd wants nothing to do with reselling the PS3, and so are starting to return their boxes in earnest. EBay sales in the UK are going for 380 pounds and less. PS3 is not nearly a sellout in UK.

Sketcha

03-27-07, 06:12 PM

george king

03-27-07, 06:20 PM

sketcha,

I just had a coronary - we agreed on something?

Did hell just freeze over or what ;)

Subotnik,

And no, two back to back drops are not a good indication of a console's long term success.

No it isnt, and 2 weeks worth of 4:1 sales ratio of BD:HD dont mean much either. That is why I said long term. OTOH, if the PS3 stays in the low 100K units per month in each region, then I think that Sony has some problems.

Ilka

03-27-07, 06:26 PM

Sony PS3 hit by £10m in cancellations (http://www.brandrepublic.com/BrandRepublicNews/News/646182/Sony-PS3-hit-10m-cancellations/)

Ouch...Looks like the EBay crowd wants nothing to do with reselling the PS3, and so are starting to return their boxes in earnest. EBay sales in the UK are going for 380 pounds and less. PS3 is not nearly a sellout in UK.

Good! Check out the google news search ... http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=&q=ps3+UK

Nice to see that Sony gauged the demand very well. Also nice to see some EBay scalpers taking a hair cut for a change.

Are there confirmed sales numbers yet? 500K or so was last I read, but there were some predicting much more.

darinp2

03-27-07, 06:29 PM

No it isnt, and 2 weeks worth of 4:1 sales ratio of BD:HD dont mean much either. That is why I said long term. OTOH, if the PS3 stays in the low 100K units per month in each region, then I think that Sony has some problems.Could depend on the size of the region and how long it stays there. Looks like the XBOX360 sold about 1.95 million units overall in Europe in 2006. That includes the Christmas season. So, they probably had multiple months around 100k. I'm guessing they were supplied constrained for about the first 3-4 months of the year.

--Darin

briankmonkey

03-27-07, 06:32 PM

Good! Check out the google news search ... http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=&q=ps3+UK

Nice to see that Sony gauged the demand very well. Also nice to see some EBay scalpers taking a hair cut for a change.

Are there confirmed sales numbers yet? 500K or so was last I read, but there were some predicting much more.

over 600k so far which is more than its competitors did in the same time period combined. Well not exact same time period as they were released during the busy holiday shopping season.

Urza

03-27-07, 06:46 PM

over 600k so far which is more than its competitors did in the same time period combined. Well not exact same time period as they were released during the busy holiday shopping season.

Please stop with the same time period FUD. Did not the 360 during that same period have supply issues?

So, how do the sales compare to the WII? :D

briankmonkey

03-27-07, 07:03 PM

Please stop with the same time period FUD. Did not the 360 during that same period have supply issues?

So, how do the sales compare to the WII? :D

I guess FUD = Facts U Don'tlike.. Should be FUDL, right :p Perhaps we should get angry at Sony for meeting demand (HD-DVD zealots said sony couldn't make enough, lol ) and blame Sony fo MS and Wii not meeting demand :eek:

Re-read what I wrote, the Wii is included in my statement. keyword "competitors" (being the 360 and the Wii).

Perhaps I'm missing something but what does the Wii have to do with HD media anyways (you know what this board is about) :confused:

edit: off topic sigh for the Wii, could have should have been HD. I can only imagine what Zelda, Mario, Metroid could have looked like :(

Urza

03-27-07, 09:23 PM

I guess FUD = Facts U Don'tlike.. Should be FUDL, right :p Perhaps we should get angry at Sony for meeting demand (HD-DVD zealots said sony couldn't make enough, lol ) and blame Sony fo MS and Wii not meeting demand :eek:

Re-read what I wrote, the Wii is included in my statement. keyword "competitors" (being the 360 and the Wii).

Perhaps I'm missing something but what does the Wii have to do with HD media anyways (you know what this board is about) :confused:

edit: off topic sigh for the Wii, could have should have been HD. I can only imagine what Zelda, Mario, Metroid could have looked like :(

I'm hardly a HDDVD zealot, I own a PS3 and enjoy it.

What does WII have to do with it? PS3 is also a game console, so your not going to get away with only talking about the blu ray portion of the PS3. Mention the PS3, games and HD are both fair game.

K.L.

03-27-07, 09:30 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6499841.stm

Seems like my guess was a bit too low

600k over last weekend.Cool. Europe have got blu in one day! :)

javayoda

03-27-07, 09:32 PM

If we're including Wii we should also get stats for those joystick things you see at Target that play old Namco or Atari 2600 video games.

Ilka

03-27-07, 11:16 PM

Cool. Europe have got blu in one day! :)

Yes. Congrats. Glad to see Europe going for the bigger storage/bandwidth also.

briankmonkey

03-27-07, 11:21 PM

I'm hardly a HDDVD zealot, I own a PS3 and enjoy it.

What does WII have to do with it? PS3 is also a game console, so your not going to get away with only talking about the blu ray portion of the PS3. Mention the PS3, games and HD are both fair game.

The HD-DVD zealot wasn't directed at you, I thought I was clear with the way I worded it.

"(HD-DVD zealots said sony couldn't make enough, lol )"

Fair enough on the Wii. It is kicking some major arse in sells :)

911lad

03-28-07, 07:57 AM

Exactly what relevance does the Wii have in the High Def Forum???
Can it play High Def movies??? No! So why the **** is it brought up in every thread where the PS3 is concerned.

Grubert

03-28-07, 09:34 AM

dpags

03-28-07, 09:50 AM

Exactly what relevance does the Wii have in the High Def Forum???
Can it play High Def movies??? No! So why the **** is it brought up in every thread where the PS3 is concerned.

Exactly, plus the thing costs $200-300 less as well. Apples to apples, people.

Neo1965

03-28-07, 10:09 AM

Exactly, plus the thing costs $200-300 less as well. Apples to apples, people.
Actually, for europe, the price delta is significantly higher. I look at that wiki price list and wonder how many people in europe actually have deep enough pockets to pay close to 1000 for just a game machine. I mean we are talking about bashing buttons while watching pixels on a display here. The $900+ pricing for some of these countries (Denmark, Norway, India) is shocking.

Although SNE may not want to talk about it, the only thing I guess is that if history is a guide, the PS2 price decline will most likely apply to the PS3 as well, and the price before the end of xmas is likely going to be lower.

scitek

03-28-07, 10:18 AM

Exactly what relevance does the Wii have in the High Def Forum???
Can it play High Def movies??? No! So why the **** is it brought up in every thread where the PS3 is concerned.

Because, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, it's competing with the PS3 for a place in people's homes, and a lot of people that choose the Wii will in turn not buy a PS3 because one new console is enough for them. The Wii takes market-share from the PS3, thus leading to less PS3 sales, thus leading to slower BD adoption...

It's all in the Handbook.

lunddal

03-28-07, 10:50 AM

I mean we are talking about bashing buttons while watching pixels on a display here. The $900+ pricing for some of these countries (Denmark, Norway, India) is shocking.

And yet the PS3 is doing better than the PS2 did at launch here in Denmark (where we have a 25% sales tax which "helps" raising the prices).

The HD-E1 player is also USD900 here in Denmark.

Icemage

03-28-07, 11:00 AM

The HD-E1 player is also USD900 here in Denmark.
Wow, that's a high price point. Makes the PS3 seem downright inexpensive by comparison, comparing the relative capabilities of the units.

Neo1965

03-28-07, 11:11 AM

CNET France (http://www.cnetfrance.fr/news/home-cinema/39368222-3800004062t/demarrage-en-trombe-pour-les-ventes-de-la-ps3-de-sony.htm): 78,000 PS3s sold in France during the first two days.

France was second in Europe, followed by Spain and Germany.
According to CNET France PS3 also outsold Wii and X360 launches 78K(PS3) vs 75K(wii) and 49K(360).

SCE France also expects to cross 100K by this weekend (another 22K on top of the 78K sold).

The article did note that the launch didn't go so well : having enough machines clearly in stock made people not bother to line up overnight, probably just made them walk in and pick them up the next day.

r96797

03-28-07, 04:18 PM

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnetfrance.fr%2Fnews%2Fhome-cinema%2F39368222-3800004062t%2Fdemarrage-en-trombe-pour-les-ventes-de-la-ps3-de-sony.htm&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Translation.

AnthonyP

03-28-07, 08:18 PM

Even with a missed launched event the sales of the PS3 were exeptionaly good : 600k consoles sold in two days in Europe.
One should not make the mistake, only the event did not have the expected result. PS3 sales numbers shown by Fujio Nishida, President of Sony Europe were very good. There were 600k consloles that were sold to customers in the two days after launching on March 23

Georges Fornay, president of Sony Computer Entertainment France and vice-president of SCE Europe said that in France 78k PS3 sold in those two days. France comes second after the UK with 173k units but in front of Spain and Germany, third and fourth respectively (actual numbers not published yet). It is 24% more then the PS2 that sold 63k in two days. According to Georges Fornay it should reach 100k by the end of the weekend.
Sony had the largest sales in France. The PS3 with its 78k beats the Wii @ 75k and 360 @ 49k in those two days. There is no lack yet but at this rate it will be out of stock soon in most stores

here is my version

Sean_O

03-28-07, 08:41 PM

Something is rotten with these numbers being given out. The complete lack of excitement at launch does not support the numbers that are being claimed.

The pre-order excuse doesn't really hold water either. If you have ever been to any console launch, you know that if the store has offered pre-orders then the bulk of people in that line at midnight are those who have pre-ordered a system.

The kind of mass excitement those sales numbers suggest just was not there in reality. Look at any other console launch in history, and compare the excitement factor (based upon turnout at retail launch events) with the final totals for that launch.

Never has there been anything even remotely close to this, and for that you have to question the validity of these numbers.

I am not about to buy into the 'other consoles were supply constrained' argument either... not with the PS3s high EU price tag and the nearly non-existent launch turn-out. It makes no sense. You simply would not get numbers like those returned with such a lack of excitement.

Some news footage from the launch:

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/ps3%252Bbide/video/x1iy9i_lancement-de-la-ps3-paris-22-mars-2

A related story:

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06713_Europeans_Reject_the_PS3_Due_to_High_Price.html

And if you look around a bit on the internet, you can find plenty of first hand accounts from people in the territory who back up what is reported above. I have read posts from people who work in retail stores in the territory, who check stock of their entire retail chain, and they verify the true lack of demand for the PS3 over there as well.

I think these numbers (~600,000 PS3 sold through at launch) will be shown as false in time.

Disagree all you like.

roma_victor

03-28-07, 08:46 PM

Something is rotten with these numbers being given out.

So what you're saying is that something is rotten in the state of Denmark (and other PAL terrorities)?

:)

r96797

03-28-07, 08:48 PM

^^^

Just my opinion of course, but all the launches in the past have been limited in console availability. Most of it was not preorder. Instead it was first come first serve. In this situation, you have preorders being available from all major retailers. No shortages, no need to wait at midnight? No hysteria.

I think it's plausible that sony's padding their numbers though. But not by enough to significantly sway the launch numbers. If the 600k is false (as you say), how much do you think sony has padded their numbers by? If sony had not allowed preorders, and if there were 400k consoles available, would the midnight launches have been as dead as they were?

Spektricide

03-28-07, 10:31 PM

AnthonyP

03-28-07, 11:13 PM

The pre-order excuse doesn't really hold water either. If you have ever been to any console launch, you know that if the store has offered pre-orders then the bulk of people in that line at midnight are those who have pre-ordered a system.

because these are not stores. This was a makeshift ad hock booth at the Eiffel tower with a line up on a cold rainy day. The guys with pre-orders were at the line ups at the stores in the morning or at midnight when they opened.

or do you think there is a bgaming store at the foot of the tower?

Grubert

03-29-07, 03:39 AM

In Switzerland 14,000 PS3s were sold in the first two days. Considering the population is only 7.5 million, very good numbers.

Canary_Jules

03-29-07, 04:25 AM

So what you're saying is that something is rotten in the state of Denmark (and other PAL terrorities)?

:)

Aha! Shakespeare graces the AVS Forum! Is all this debate over numbers of PS3s sold much ado about nothing? ;)

harol

03-29-07, 06:56 AM

Actually, for europe, the price delta is significantly higher. I look at that wiki price list and wonder how many people in europe actually have deep enough pockets to pay close to 1000 for just a game machine. I mean we are talking about bashing buttons while watching pixels on a display here. The $900+ pricing for some of these countries (Denmark, Norway, India) is shocking.

Although SNE may not want to talk about it, the only thing I guess is that if history is a guide, the PS2 price decline will most likely apply to the PS3 as well, and the price before the end of xmas is likely going to be lower.

Well the PS3 is not more expensive relative to other products in Scandinavia. Whatever a product cost in the US, you can multiply by roughly 1.65 to get the price in USD in Norway (pretty similar in Sweden and Denmark as well).

vairulez

03-29-07, 07:04 AM

In Switzerland 14,000 PS3s were sold in the first two days. Considering the population is only 7.5 million, very good numbers.
I am not sure switzerland is very representative from the rest of Europe ...

Caurus

03-29-07, 07:37 AM

Something is rotten with these numbers being given out. The complete lack of excitement at launch does not support the numbers that are being claimed.

[...]

I think these numbers (~600,000 PS3 sold through at launch) will be shown as false in time.

Disagree all you like.

I agree with you. This number looks fake.

What do we have so far:

UK 173k (pop. ~60,6 mil.)
Switzerland 14k (pop. ~7,5 mil.)
France 78k (pop. ~62,7 mil.)
Spain ? (pop. ~40,4 mil.)
Germany ? (pop. ~82,4 mil.)
...

Total European Union ? (pop. 486,6 mil.)
Total Europe ? (pop. ~680 mil.)

O.k. this is a lot of people and I have o admit it could be possible.

911lad

03-29-07, 07:52 AM

Neo1965

03-29-07, 07:54 AM

Aha! Shakespeare graces the AVS Forum! Is all this debate over numbers of PS3s sold much ado about nothing? ;)
The war started with HD-A1 and BDP1000, poor players who struts and frets their hour upon the stage and then is heard no more.

In the grand scheme of things, they're usually just full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

MarekM

03-29-07, 08:01 AM

What happend in some of the other Euro Countrys?

Holland?
Belgium?
Norway?
Denmark?
Italy?
Ireland?

Given that 3 countrys sold 250,000 units between them, 350,000 for all the other Euro countrys could well be right

I think Spain with Germany can do together more then 100,000
that will leave 250,000 for rest of europe..

Marek

911lad

03-29-07, 08:13 AM

I think Spain with Germany can do together more then 100,000
that will leave 250,000 for rest of europe..

Marek

Sounds plausible Marek ;)

Grubert

03-29-07, 08:15 AM

UxiSXRD

03-29-07, 10:05 AM

Looks pretty good!

Caurus

03-29-07, 10:25 AM

Belgium (pop. 10.4M): appr. 22,000 (80 percent of initial 27,000 shipment). Initial shipment for Benelux was 54,000.
Link (http://www.inpactvirtuel.com/news/17215-PlayStation3-Benelux-Chiffres-Sony.htm?vc=1)

Austria (pop. 8.3M): 8,000
Link (http://www.tripple.net/contator/1game/news.asp?nnr=25185)

Sales according to VG Charts (http://www.vgcharts.org/forum/thread.php?id=972)

UK: 173k
France: 78k
Spain: 75k
Germany: 72k
Italy: 64k
Scandinavia: 52k
Other regions: 60k

Total: 574k

Australia: 20k
New Zealand: 5k
Other regions: 20k

Total "Others" launch - 619k

Impressive, most impressive. ;)

But then, there are a few questions to be answered. How could they sell more PS3 in Scandinavia then they have shipped there?

40.000 PS3's arrived at Nordisk Film (PlayStation distributor to Scandinavia), counting a total of 36 trucks transporting them. Somewhere between 8.000-10.000 PS3's where unloaded in Denmark while the rest continued to the other nordic countries. There are 5.5 million citizens in Denmark, which means 0,18% of the population can get one.

Some guy from Australia is complaining that Australia got only 16k units shipped.

Well comes time, comes truth. The above numbers are Sony's estimates if I understand them right.

But still impressive. I thought they sell only 300k units all over Europe. The probably sold more. Poor Europe.

Grubert

03-29-07, 10:39 AM

Some guy from Australia is complaining that Australia got only 16k units shipped.

Well somebody tell Sony they can't possibly be selling 20,000: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23772

Canary_Jules

03-29-07, 10:57 AM

The war started with HD-A1 and BDP1000, poor players who struts and frets their hour upon the stage and then is heard no more.

In the grand scheme of things, they're usually just full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Some have wondered at HD-DVD's strategy in this war, but I believe though this be madness, yet there is method in 't. Others are fed up with the war altogether and cry 'a plague o' both your houses' Sony and Toshiba! What's for sure is that to some extent Sony's strategy has been to play upon the numbers and create the illusion of HD-DVD's demise. Thus might HD-DVD be actually done to death by a slanderous tongue. But I say to those HD-DVD owners who have been frustrated by lack of releases, how poor are they that have not patience!

Caurus

03-29-07, 10:58 AM

Well somebody tell Sony they can't possibly be selling 20,000: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23772

Well, maybe the guy who said there were only 16k units shipped to Australia is wrong. On the oher hand the news says:
Sony Australia has announced that more than 20,000 PlayStation 3 units have been sold in the territory since the console launched there on Friday.

One can announce a lot. But this news is really weird:
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-28715.aspx

The distributor announced that they moved 40k units for Scandinavia and Sony announces it sold 52k units in Scandinavia. But then, maybe the distributor just cannot count.

Grubert

03-29-07, 11:06 AM

Some have wondered at HD-DVD's strategy in this war, but I believe though this be madness, yet there is method in 't. Others are fed up with the war altogether and cry 'a plague o' both your houses' Sony and Toshiba! What's for sure is that to some extent Sony's strategy has been to play upon the numbers and create the illusion of HD-DVD's demise. Thus might HD-DVD be actually done to death by a slanderous tongue. But I say to those HD-DVD owners who have been frustrated by lack of releases, how poor are they that have not patience!

Ay, there's the rub! To both these formats have I sworn my love; each jealous of the other, as the stung are of the adder. Which of them shall I take? Both? one? or neither? Neither can be enjoy'd, If both remain alive.

:D

Canary_Jules

03-29-07, 11:47 AM

UxiSXRD

03-29-07, 11:57 AM

:D I love the Shakespearean angle to the format war. :D

Friends, Romans, videophiles, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Sony, not to praise it.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Sony. The noble Microsoft
Hath told you Sony was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Sony answer'd it.

Who's Octavian then, who will take the name Caesar after destroying the assassins? :D

DangerBoy

03-29-07, 12:00 PM

Ay, there's the rub! To both these formats have I sworn my love; each jealous of the other, as the stung are of the adder. Which of them shall I take? Both? one? or neither? Neither can be enjoy'd, If both remain alive.

:D

To have, or not to have, that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous FUD, or to take arms against a sea of fanboys and by opposing, end them.

:cool:

Milt99

03-29-07, 02:27 PM

To Wii or not to Wii, that is the question.

UxiSXRD

03-29-07, 02:40 PM

Heh that one was really obvious... can't believe I missed it. :D

roma_victor

03-29-07, 03:16 PM

What a piece of work is [HD/BD]! How infinite in faculties! In form how admirable!
And yet, to [J6P], what is this quintessence of [silicone]? [HD/BD] delights not [J6P]

Neo1965

03-29-07, 03:54 PM

While we joust about red and blu cases, know this : In a false quarrel there is no true valor.

Often when logic is tossed to the winds in avsforum, this is how it feels : Hell is empty and all the devils are here

Mr. Hanky

03-29-07, 04:00 PM

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrgh! I couldn't stand reading Shakespeare in highschool! :p You guys are killing me!

Grubert

03-29-07, 04:45 PM

In peace there's nothing so becomes AVS as modest stillness and humility.
But when the format war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the fanboy!

george king

03-29-07, 04:52 PM

well how about this then

I do not like blu discs and Sonys spam,
I do not like them Springer I am

I do not like them in their box.
I do not like them on a video box.

I do not like them in my house.
I do not like the PS3 mouse.

I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.

I do not like Blu Discs and Sonys spam.
I do not like them, Springer-I-am. :D

UxiSXRD

03-29-07, 05:11 PM

Here, under leave of Microsoft and the rest
For Microsoft is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men
Come I to speak in Sony's funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Microsoft says he was ambitious;
And Microsoft is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to High Definition
Whose ransoms did the Blu-ray coffers fill:
Did this in Sony seem ambitious?
When that the home theater enthusiasts have cried, Sony hath wept:

Canary_Jules

03-29-07, 05:53 PM

This thread has turned into a gem! Blu and Red finally united by Shakespeare! The course of true love never did run smooth.

mobius

03-29-07, 11:16 PM

Coulda, woulda, shoulda... The fact remains, Sony picked the right strategy to stage their releases to ensure supply is comparable to demand. The "other guys" chose a strategy that resulted in supply not meeting demand, despite having console designs that were more "manufacturable in volume". It's just ironic that this point that is so often leveraged by the anti-sony crowd ended up being more an issue for their own consoles than PS3.

Whether Sony picked the right strategy or not remains to be seen. The fact remains, Sony said they would launch the PS3 worldwide into all major territories, and then suddenly, the story changed to just Japan/NA + Europe some months later. Excuse me if I'm skeptical about what Sony 'says' and what they actually do.

In any event, I wouldn't get to hopeful just yet. It remains to be seen whether the PS3's sales trajectory is cause for hope or not.

joe_six_pack

03-29-07, 11:19 PM

Whether Sony picked the right strategy or not remains to be seen. The fact remains, Sony said they would launch the PS3 worldwide into all major territories, and then suddenly, the story changed to just Japan/NA + Europe some months later. Excuse me if I'm skeptical about what Sony 'says' and what they actually do.

In any event, I wouldn't get to hopeful just yet. It remains to be seen whether the PS3's sales trajectory is cause for hope or not.

As with the blu-ray/hd-dvd thing, I would give it until the end of 2007 to make any type of predictions. It's too early to tell if the ps3 will pick up once quality games come out. It's too early to tell if blu-ray will widen the lead over hd-dvd or if hd-dvd will regain the lead for the long term.