Hello

I have a PS3 with a possible 1080p output and A HD-E1 HD DVD player with 1080i output. My receiver, the Panasonic XR-57, will only pass-trough 1080i video. With 1080p the screen remains black and the receiver shows an error.

Does a splitter exists where I can extract the HDMI PCM audio stream from the input signal, put it to the receivver - and on the other side (2nd HDMI output) pass-trough my 1080p output to my display which accepts 1080p.

I saw that the Optoma HD3000 scaler could do this (it has e special HDMI output for audio only). But I do not need a scaler. I need something less expensive.

I'm asking because the PS3 is getting native 1080p24 output.

I hope my question is clear. And I'm sorry for my bad english. Hopefully someone can answer my question.

Would something like that work?

http://www.kab24.de/kabel/HDMI-Splitter-1-x-HDMI-Stecker-auf-2-x-HDMI-Buchse.html


Edit: I see that this adapter will not pass HDCP content. Damn. But know I knoe that something like I wish does exist ;-) But what about my receiver? It only does accept 1080i sources.

Hello

I have a PS3 with a possible 1080p output and A HD-E1 HD DVD player with 1080i output. My receiver, the Panasonic XR-57, will only pass-trough 1080i video. With 1080p the screen remains black and the receiver shows an error.

Does a splitter exists where I can extract the HDMI PCM audio stream from the input signal, put it to the receivver - and on the other side (2nd HDMI output) pass-trough my 1080p output to my display which accepts 1080p.

I saw that the Optoma HD3000 scaler could do this (it has e special HDMI output for audio only). But I do not need a scaler. I need something less expensive.

I'm asking because the PS3 is getting native 1080p24 output.

I hope my question is clear. And I'm sorry for my bad english. Hopefully someone can answer my question.


This one seems good for you:


Gefen's 2x2 HDMI™ Switcher routes high definition video in multiple resolutions up to 1080p plus multichannel digital audio from any one of two sources to the display(s). Two outputs gives you the choice of sending high definition audio and video signals up to two displays . A digital audio output port is available if you need to direct the audio to an audio receiver. The 2x2 HDMI Switcher eliminates the need to disconnect and reconnect sources to a display equipped with one input. It works with HD-DVD players, TiVo systems and satellite set top boxes that connect to an HDMI display. Either source is accessible at all times by selecting it with an IR remote.

Thought this might be helpful.

All you need is a HDMI 1x2 splitter, $249, model EXT-HDMI-142. This will send one player to two displays -- one in each room -- with embedded audio in the HDMI signal.

If you plan on using a AV receiver to amplify the sound in each room, I will advise you that due to a technical issue with industry interpretation of the HDMI standard, our units won't function properly as input to an AV receiver unless you choose the 1x3 architecture, $50 more, part number EXT-HDMI-143.

Regards,

Robert Van
Gefen E-Mail Support Coordinator
Technical Support Engineer
818-884-xxxx / Los Angeles, CA, USA

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3936

I have the same receiver, and I ran into the same frustrating problem. It's just about impossible these days to actually think in advance of all the creative and exciting ways in which new equipment you buy might not work. Anyway, I don't personally care much about the things that HDMI audio can do but S/PDIF can't, so I still just use the optical sound outlets on everything, just like I'd been doing before I got the XR57.

"Additional digital optical audio output extracted from HDMI™ input for easy connection to multichannel audio receivers" I found this information on gefens website for the 2x2 HDMI switcher. This does mean that the audio signal can only be transfered by optical out, not by HDMi. So I will not get uncompressed PCM audio.

So this switch does not work for me.
But thx anyway.

Maybe I have to go for the Optoma HD3000 scaler which provides a special HDMI output where only the audio is be transfered (the otgher output is still video in 1080p) - so my receiver could accept it.

Amigo,

You are misinterpreting that statement. The Gefen switchers do pass audio over the HDMI connection. They also extract the audio for output over optical (where you would only get 2.0 of a LPCM 5.1 signal), but they don't remove the audio from the HDMI output. In other words, the optical output is just an added feature; you don't have to use it to get sound.

they don't remove the audio from the HDMI output
yes. But i think I need a device that can "delete" the video stream and only send the audio to my receiver. 'cause my receiver does not accept 1080p signal, only 1080i at max. Otherwise it shows me an error.

So you are sure that this gefen can "extract" the audio stream and only send that one to my receiver by HDMI?
I didn't find such an information on gefens website.

So you are sure that this gefen can "extract" the audio stream and only send that one to my receiver by HDMI?
I didn't find such an information on gefens website.No, the Gefen outputs both audio and video through HDMI. But why does it matter whether your receiver supports 1080p or not? If it doesn't support 1080p, you won't get a picture, but you should still get the sound. And then you can run the other split output directly to your display.

I use a Gefen matrix switch which cannot be connected to my receiver (A Denon 3806) due to what Gefen calls the "repeater bit" issue. When you try to do this, it seems to fail the HDCP handshaking and the result is no picture.

My solution was to run the output of the matrix switch into a HDMI splitter (in my case a Pure Link 1x5 - a very nice unit btw). One output of the splitter goes to my display and another output goes into my receiver. It seems to be working: I appear to be getting the multichannel audio into the Denon from the HDMI, and a nice picture on the display.

I also tried a different work around. I tried using the Gefen EXT-HDMI-2-DVIAUD HDMI to DVI Audio Adapter. My thought was, since my display will also accept a DVI input and I didn't need audio to go to the display, I could just use this device and route the DVI to the display and the Toslink to the receiver. However, that was not satisfactory since I didn't get the full audio capabilities over the Toslink output.

I still don't profess to have a full understanding of all of this stuff, but I hope my experience can be of some assistance to you. Good luck.

"No, the Gefen outputs both audio and video through HDMI. But why does it matter whether your receiver supports 1080p or not?"

Because the audio in interleaved with the video. The audio data is passed in the vertical blanking interval of the video stream. No 1080p in means no audio either.

The Lumagen Radiance has two HDMI outputs. The idea with it is it accepts 1080p input and can spit out 1080p on one HDMI output as well as a blank picture at 720p on the other output with the audio data in it for receivers/pre-pros that can't accept 1080p. But that is a $4k video processor.

Shawn

But why does it matter whether your receiver supports 1080p or not? If it doesn't support 1080p, you won't get a picture, but you should still get the sound.The XR57 receiver actually crashes (or something close to it) if you send it 1080p. It displays an error message, and you have to power it off and back on.

The XR57 receiver actually crashes (or something close to it) if you send it 1080p
That's it. It really crashes. Damn. So I have to take the Optoma HD3000. It has a special audio-only HDMI output, especially for such issues. Or I have to buy a new 1080p receiver - one more time a new receiver...lol...since the XR57 is 4 months old ;-) Damn...

What about this idea.

It occurs to me that another way to skin this cat would be for AV pre/pros and receivers to have multiple HDMI inputs with perhaps one or more dedicted to or configurable for audio processing.

The receiver could then be an end consumer ("sink"?) for audio, meaning instead of being a repeater forwarding along a video signal to a downstream display, it would simply be an end point consuming audio. It could simply ignore the video.

Maybe the unit would advertise over EDID that it would accept any video resolution so that senders would not choke and refuse to send a video signal.

What about this idea.

It occurs to me that another way to skin this cat would be for AV pre/pros and receivers to have multiple HDMI inputs with perhaps one or more dedicted to or configurable for audio processing.

The receiver could then be an end consumer ("sink"?) for audio, meaning instead of being a repeater forwarding along a video signal to a downstream display, it would simply be an end point consuming audio. It could simply ignore the video.

Maybe the unit would advertise over EDID that it would accept any video resolution so that senders would not choke and refuse to send a video signal.

How would you then get HDMI video to your display if you dead end it into the receiver?

And again the receiver still would need to accept 1080p video. The audio is not sent separately from the video over an HDMI connection. The audio is passed *inside* the video. If it can't accept 1080p video it can't get at the audio either as it is part of the video signal.

So if you then build the receiver to accept 1080p video there is little reason not to act as a HDMI switcher and pass through the 1080p video to feed your display.

Shawn

In additon to 1080p from my VP, I also frequently have 1920x1200 running over the same cable, coming from my computer instead of the VP. Any receiver I put into that chain needs to pass through arbitrary video signals it doesn't understand, or it needs to understand everything that might get sent over an HDMI cable. The Panasonic people seem to have just tested with the most common resolutions when they were building it and left it at that. Not good enough.