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Terikan
03-22-07, 03:34 PM
Ok using my DLP as a monitor, and for the most part it looks nice. Using the VGA cable. This issue also occurs when using the web browser in my PS3. It also happens in PC games that have text.

I imagine the problem isn't just limited to text, but that it's just the way text is shaped and how complex a shape it is compared to just an image that is why you can see the problem.

In any case, sites like vnboards, WoW forums, and other types of places where the text is either colored or the contrast between text and background is low, showcases the issue.

Bits of the text, as well as the 'holes' in letters a and e, and sometimes between the tips of the letter c (depends on how close it is to becoming a full circle), often will appear white when the background of the text is not white.

I try to describe this problem in a coherent way but it's difficult. My only hope really is that I'm not the only one experiencing it and that there's a solution. High contrast text looks fine, like white on black and black on white. It is however almost exclusively a phenomenon of the color white appearing on parts of the text where it should not be.

Thanks for any help.

walford
03-22-07, 03:55 PM
Have you read in detail the PC chapter in your Sansung user's manual since it covers in detail the options available to you over the VGA interface? As long as you are sending the 87W 1080i or 1080p and your desktop is set to 1920x1080 you should be able to achieve no blurring of PC application text.

Terikan
03-22-07, 07:13 PM
Well for one thing I'm using 720p because I don't have super-vision. But the effect still occurs in 1080p.

I've read the manual cover to cover.

It's not blurring really or I'd just say it's blurry.

walford
03-22-07, 10:21 PM
The use of 720p is what is causing the problem since your display has to invent the content of every third row and of every third pixel in each row. It does this by examing the content of the adjacent pixels and sometime my do somthing as simple as average the colors of the adjacent pixels so if one is black and the other white since they are on a text character edge the invented pixel may end up being gray.
You should try some of the many ways to change the font sizes on your PC so that you can output 1080p. The simplyst of which is to change the DPI if your graphics card driver has that capability.

Terikan
03-23-07, 12:04 AM
win xp has the ability to change dpi, but that's really not the point. There's a second reason why I can't use 1080p, because many games, even with an 8800 card, will not run as smooth in 1080p. So they run in 720p, but mouse cursor speed is based on traversing a set number of pixels rather than a percentage of the visible screen, so changing resolutions from desktop to game would make my mouse hard to operate as well.

But like I said above, I've tested it in 1080p and the problem is still there. The problem is there with the ps3 while surfing as well.

Kagaden
03-23-07, 12:50 AM
Subscribing to this thread since I have a 61" HL-T6187 LED purchased and on hold for me when it releases. I'll be using it primarily as a monitor and gaming also.

walford
03-23-07, 09:17 AM
Nvidia has updated their 8800 card drivers several times in the last couple of months so check for their latest version if you have not done so recently.
I am surprised that with your desktop and your output resolution both set to 1920x1080 that you get the bluring. Did you recheck your picture settings when this was done?
I know with HDMI/DVI that the picture settings are set and saved for each resoluition I don't know if this is also true for VGA.
What is your normal viewing distance?
I am surprised that you could not also adjust the Mouse speed when you changed the DPI to an acceptable value.

Terikan
03-23-07, 03:03 PM
I could adjust the mouse speed to suit my needs for my desktop, but then if I play a game, the mouse will move 50% faster than I want it to. Am I supposed to adjust it every time I enter and exit a game?

Also, say this again, it's not blurring. Blurring would make the text harder to read. It isn't harder to read. It's a kind of reverse colorization of some of the pixels in the text.

This is not just with my 8800, had the same thing with my 5900 card.

I've used dvi to hdmi cable and even under that setup the text issue is there. It's definitely something related to the TV directly, but because it's only affecting text to a noticeable amount, I would be wasting my time getting a technician out here.

walford
03-23-07, 03:24 PM
Understood. Based on your experiences with trying to use a 1080p DLP TV to primarily run PC desktop applications and to play games would you recommend that others buy a 1080p DLP, a 720p DLP, or a 720p LCD.
Again, I am curious as to what your viewing distance is for your 56" TV.

Terikan
03-24-07, 12:23 AM
I've only owned small lcd monitors and none all that recently, so my knowledge about them is dated.

If all you are going to do is use it as a computer monitor or watch DvDs, then 720p lcd will be fine, but at 10 feet, you want at least 50inches, and really 10 feet is a bit far away even with my 56 inch in terms or reading some text in 720p, but I manage.

So I'd say 8 feet away = 50 inch screen for easy reading at 720p.

Course you could also increase the dpi as you were saying to compensate.

If you are going to play ps3, (it has some 1080p games) or you are going to watch bluray or hddvd movies, you might want to get a 1080p dlp instead.

noxfire
12-11-08, 04:37 PM
This thread is sad. The problem is called edge enhancement, and dnie causes it, and must be shut off from inside the service menu in order to not affect PC input, either from hdmi or vga.

However, this tv also does not achieve 1:1 mapping, so it's always scaling, even if you can fix overscan issues (which overscan just turns itself back on anyways).