any news on something that is going to beat the SXRD or should I wait for the one in october...sure its a while away but I'm not in a big hurry :-)

plasma, now.

You think plasma is better than SXRD?

From what I've seen they're pretty comparable from a reasonable distance and up closer (say within 7 feet on a 50 inch) I give the edge to SXRD.

nothing beats a sony XBR2

I am not aware of any new RPTV technology coming down the pike. However, I believe Laser light driven DLPs will be out by the end of the year and the second generation LED DLPs are due out soon.

Not sure why the hype for the SXRD, the amount of screen drag on those units is laughable, very hard to watch any sports or action, don't get any of that with my DLP.

plasma, now.
Plasma? With all of those discernable pixels? :rolleyes:

I am not aware of any new RPTV technology coming down the pike. However, I believe Laser light driven DLPs will be out by the end of the year and the second generation LED DLPs are due out soon.

There's also Panasonic's announcement that they're researching the use of automotive-type lamps, supposed to give better life and spectrum. Haven't heard anything recently, tho. Anyone have any recent tidbits?

Not sure why the hype for the SXRD, the amount of screen drag on those units is laughable, very hard to watch any sports or action, don't get any of that with my DLP.
that's wierd.. i dont get any of that on my sxrd

Not sure why the hype for the SXRD, the amount of screen drag on those units is laughable, very hard to watch any sports or action, don't get any of that with my DLP.
I dunno about that. I know people play their PS2's PS3's and Xbox's on SXRD's all the time.

that's wierd.. i dont get any of that on my sxrd
Friend of mine I was talking to a few days ago has had his SXRD since christmas and said it beats the pants off his MitsuDLP :dunno:

plasma, now.

These things are subjective, but when I was shopping I didn't see a plasma south of ten grand that looked as good as the SXRD I ended up with. Different strokes I guess.

Not sure why the hype for the SXRD, the amount of screen drag on those units is laughable, very hard to watch any sports or action, don't get any of that with my DLP.
It is very unusual for a Plasma to have delays since their response time is very fast they are not like older LCD displays where response time could be a problem.

What resolution was being sent over what interface to the Plasma where you see the delays?
And what was the souce of the programs; direct from antenna, cabel, cable STB, satellite STB or a store distribution system with one of these sources?

Not sure why the hype for the SXRD, the amount of screen drag on those units is laughable, very hard to watch any sports or action, don't get any of that with my DLP.Screen drag? What is that? Is it another name for motion blur? I've not really experienced that in 18 months of having an SXRD, even of fast action material, unless Noise Reduction is set too High. OTOH, LCD displays do seem more prone to motion blur.

Plasma? With all of those discernable pixels? :rolleyes:

And burn in. Never experienced motion blur on an SXRD.

dang you SXRD and making me wait!

sony also showed their laser SXRD at CES.

sony also showed their laser SXRD at CES.
Nice!

I believe he is referring to the Sony Rear-Projections. The flat panels are XBR.

C Snyder


It is very unusual for a Plasma to have delays since their response time is very fast they are not like older LCD displays where response time could be a problem.

What resolution was being sent over what interface to the Plasma where you see the delays?
And what was the souce of the programs; direct from antenna, cabel, cable STB, satellite STB or a store distribution system with one of these sources?

You think plasma is better than SXRD?

From what I've seen they're pretty comparable from a reasonable distance and up closer (say within 7 feet on a 50 inch) I give the edge to SXRD.
yes, i prefer the PQ of the pioneer 6070 over the 60" sxrd.

I've never seen "Screen Drag" or "ghosting" or any of that in Sony's LCD's and I've had the great granddaddy of the technology the KLW-9000 for 6 or 7 years now. Now SDE is another story... and what really kills it for me with the sxrd's :p Even though it's less noticeable on the XBR2 than XBR1 colors still look glimmering/dirty to me.

Owning the KLW-9000 has made me very sensitive to it, which is a shame because they're fantastic displays otherwise as long as you keep the dust out of them. I need to take apart my KLW-9000 at least once a year to remove various color fogs that appear on the screen. I'm not sure this is still a problem, but I hear various users of the new products mentioning it occasionally.

All of Sony's LCD units give a fantastic unique 3d effect and I'm happy to see them still improving on the technology.

My next step is going to be with a Sammy HL-T6187S this year when they release. While I'm not sure what the picture quality or hamstrings will be for this tech yet, I do enjoy 1:1 pixel mapping via VGA which is the big selling point for me for HTPC.

Screen drag? What is that? Is it another name for motion blur? I've not really experienced that in 18 months of having an SXRD, even of fast action material, unless Noise Reduction is set too High. OTOH, LCD displays do seem more prone to motion blur.
how many repairs on the SXRD in 16 months?

how many repairs on the SXRD in 16 months?

None! My 60XBR1 is still cherry and flawlesslly displaying Blu-ray and HDDVD.

I will be eyeballing the XBR3 rear projection very closesly. I get 120Hz and dual HD tuners, I'll upgrade to 70-75. Any bigger I'll reserve to front projection for the dedicated HT I'm plotting to build.

What relevence does that have to the subject of blurring? Hint: None! Enjoy your Mits DLP. :rolleyes:

haha genius!

I believe he is referring to the Sony Rear-Projections. The flat panels are XBR.

C Snyder


Rear-Projections are also XBR's - 60 & 70 XBR2 are both Rear-Projection.

any news on something that is going to beat the SXRD or should I wait for the one in october...sure its a while away but I'm not in a big hurry :-)
ummm...my 4 year old CRT RPTV...hands down

ummm...my 4 year old CRT RPTV...hands down

I'll not debate the merits of what you're trying to to assert, but re-read the thread title - you seem to have skipped over one key word. :)

nothing beats a sony XBR2 I have a large crowbar that would.

plasma, now. Keep your electric utility happy. Keep their meter spinning.

What relevence does that have to the subject of blurring? Hint: None! Enjoy your Mits DLP. :rolleyes:
a green blur?

ummm...my 4 year old CRT RPTV...hands down

Wow! You need to get out the dungeon and see the digital TV's. Most any will beat the CRT.

I have a large crowbar that would.

I didn't know that JVC made crowbars :)

I didn't know that JVC made crowbars :)

Not that I know of.

They do make LCOS sets that are cheaper yet don't look as good as Sony's LCOS sets (to my eyes anyway).

Wow! You need to get out the dungeon and see the digital TV's. Most any will beat the CRT.

No, digital TVs are brighter and more light weight but they have not matched the PQ of CRT yet.

Keep your electric utility happy. Keep their meter spinning.
if it's for better PQ, no problem.

No, digital TVs are brighter and more light weight but they have not matched the PQ of CRT yet.

That is a matter of opinion and mine is opposite of yours. I do not think they match the PQ of CRT, they exceed it.

They do make LCOS sets that are cheaper yet don't look as good as Sony's LCOS sets (to my eyes anyway). Don't forget the 'status symbol' part either.

I didn't know that JVC made crowbars :)


The JVC IS a crowbar :D

Sony fan boy?

Describe exactly how/where that term comes from regarding JVC?

Do they have any 3 chip DLP out commercially yet in a rear projection set? I don't think a wobulated set will ever match SXRD IMO.

a green blur?


least that can be fixed, can you fix the permenant rainbow blur?

Sony fan boy?

Describe exactly how/where that term comes from regarding JVC?

If this was in reply to my post of "JVC is a crowbar" I simply meant that the JVC pried me away from the Sony.
I am a proud owner of a 56" JVC.
I am by no means a fanboy of any tv because I firmly believe it is up to the individual to choose.
IMO the fanboy thing is a show of insecure buyers.
I'm sure there are better tv's than mine but I chose mine due to price and quality and I am very happy with the decision.
I hope you are too ;)

BTW: thanks for all of the good info you contribute to this forum (like the "what's inside") I look forward to reading your posts.

If this was in reply to my post of "JVC is a crowbar" I simply meant that the JVC pried me away from the Sony. Man, you would never know that! I would/could never interpret that term into what you meant. I hope you are too No I'm not. If I were to do it agin, I would of gone with Mits. It is the only one that got the RF and the 1394 interfaces correct (that I know of) in spite of the size (57" is too large).


Thanks for the BTW.

I did post this, but I doubt it will "beat" anything. Just a different concept;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=823300

If, and it's a big if, OLED comes to fruition I think you will see the next step up in display technology. It really boils down to if any of the big boys see enough profit in bringing OLED to market. It may go the way of SED but in the end if theres enough $$$$ to be made???? If you build it they will come.

That is a matter of opinion

Not really, specs can be measured. I have yet to see a digital display that matches a Sony XBR tube or a properly calibrated CRT RP. Black level with zero light output look much more impressive than dark grey.

I would still probably trade perfect picture quality for the size and convenience of a digital RP. I consider SXRD "good enough" for the most part.

Not really, specs can be measured. I have yet to see a digital display that matches a Sony XBR tube or a properly calibrated CRT RP. Black level with zero light output look much more impressive than dark grey.

I would still probably trade perfect picture quality for the size and convenience of a digital RP. I consider SXRD "good enough" for the most part.


I owned the last generation Pioneer Elite CRT. I now have a Panasonic DLP and a 60XBR2. No dark grey on eother. Only pure black. In addition colors are much more brilliant and I can watch them in a dark or lighted room. I prefer color over black. Much more life like. So it is still a matte rof opinion.

Maybe you just need to view a calibrated micro display and not judge by what is in the show room.

I'll not debate the merits of what you're trying to to assert, but re-read the thread title - you seem to have skipped over one key word. :)
Well, keep feeding the machine then :cool:

If I were to do it agin, I would of gone with Mits. It is the only one that got the RF and the 1394 interfaces correct (that I know of) in spite of the size (57" is too large).


That's the number one thing that sux about the JVC.
It has a QAM or a ATSC tuner but can't do both.
The thing that sux about Mits is their D-VHS can't record HD when the bit rate drops too low. Can their TV's overcome this?

thats bs, theres no more collapsing light engines in sammy then there are green blobs.

It still amazes me how delusional people are about the SXRD. :rolleyes: There is no way a RPTV like the SXRD comes even close to a flat panel TV's like a Pioneer plasma. Flat panel is the future, I don't know why I ever messed around with RPTV's like the SXRD and JVC, I'm glad I see the light.

BTW, Silk Screen Effect is horrendus, it destroys image quality, I can't stand looking at it on a screen.

I agree. Plasmas are sweet but a 60"+ is way too damn expensive.

Did you know that in square inches a 60" TV is 50% larger than a 50" TV? I wish you could get a good plasma 60" for about $2500-$3000. I'd be all over it if you could.

If this was in reply to my post of "JVC is a crowbar" I simply meant that the JVC pried me away from the Sony.
I am a proud owner of a 56" JVC.
I am by no means a fanboy of any tv because I firmly believe it is up to the individual to choose.
IMO the fanboy thing is a show of insecure buyers.
I'm sure there are better tv's than mine but I chose mine due to price and quality and I am very happy with the decision.
I hope you are too ;)

BTW: thanks for all of the good info you contribute to this forum (like the "what's inside") I look forward to reading your posts.

You have the 56", the new 1080p one? I have the older 52" 720p, how do you like it? Wondering about upgrading to the 56" 1080p.

It still amazes me how delusional people are about the SXRD. :rolleyes: There is no way a RPTV like the SXRD comes even close to a flat panel TV's like a Pioneer plasma. Flat panel is the future, I don't know why I ever messed around with RPTV's like the SXRD and JVC, I'm glad I see the light.

BTW, Silk Screen Effect is horrendus, it destroys image quality, I can't stand looking at it on a screen.


lets compare a 2000 dollar tv to a 6000 dollar one! yay! What a Ferrari is faster then a 350Z?? you don't say?

It still amazes me how delusional people are about the SXRD. :rolleyes: There is no way a RPTV like the SXRD comes even close to a flat panel TV's like a Pioneer plasma. Flat panel is the future, I don't know why I ever messed around with RPTV's like the SXRD and JVC, I'm glad I see the light.


I may agree if you're talking about a high end plasma. Plasmas in the 2000 to 3000 range simply don't look close to as good as my SXRD. Your opinion may differ.

BTW, Silk Screen Effect is horrendus, it destroys image quality, I can't stand looking at it on a screen.

Every technology is a compromise in one way or another. Personally I find screen reflections more annoying than SSE and the other tradeoffs of rear projection. If I had a place where no lights were going to be in the room so that reflections wouldn't be an issue, then I figure I'd still get a front projector and not a plasma.

Every technology is a compromise in one way or another. Personally I find screen reflections more annoying than SSE and the other tradeoffs of rear projection. If I had a place where no lights were going to be in the room so that reflections wouldn't be an issue, then I figure I'd still get a front projector and not a plasma.
Agree 100%. In my situation, a DLP looks far better than a plasma would.

I may agree if you're talking about a high end plasma. Plasmas in the 2000 to 3000 range simply don't look close to as good as my SXRD. Your opinion may differ.

You can't get a $1500.00 plasma like the Vizio that will knock the socks off of any SXRD. RPTV just can't compete with the PQ of direct view flat panel.

I don't own a flat panel or a micro display but I've seen dozens in customers homes. For my money the best picture HD or DVD comes from the 58" Panasonic plasma. For the really big boys like 70+" I would rate the SXRD, the JVC, and the Mitsubishi 732 and 831 series as the best.

You can't get a $1500.00 plasma like the Vizio that will knock the socks off of any SXRD. RPTV just can't compete with the PQ of direct view flat panel.


That's totally subjective my friend......and dependant on price range.

Every technology is a compromise in one way or another. Personally I find screen reflections more annoying than SSE and the other tradeoffs of rear projection. If I had a place where no lights were going to be in the room so that reflections wouldn't be an issue, then I figure I'd still get a front projector and not a plasma.

Of all digital display technologies today, Plasma is currently at the top. Nothing best plasma. However, Plasma has run its course and has peaked as a display technology.

SED (which is flat panel technology) is the future of display technology. Unfortunately Canon is invoved in litigation that is further delaying this "vastly" superior technology from coming to the market.

I dream of some day owning a SED based flat panel TV and just being in complete display technology heaven.

When I see people so delusional to believe that the SXRD is some great display technology, when I know plasma is superior and SED technology is even beyond plasma, I wonder what they are seeing.

As for DLP, its high time for that stupid color wheel thingy to be driven completely off the market. I'm sick of that technology. In light of that and in my opinion, today's top quality DLP's from Samsung and Mits, beats the SXRD in overall PQ, rainbows and all.

Sony really need to take a look back into flat panel technologies such as OLED and SED and stop with that SXRD business. Sony with all of its power as the number 1 consumer electronics company in the world could take a technology like SED and officially usher in the era of display technology.

It still amazes me how delusional people are about the SXRD. :rolleyes: There is no way a RPTV like the SXRD comes even close to a flat panel TV's like a Pioneer plasma. Flat panel is the future, I don't know why I ever messed around with RPTV's like the SXRD and JVC, I'm glad I see the light.

BTW, Silk Screen Effect is horrendus, it destroys image quality, I can't stand looking at it on a screen.

I never understood why you praised CRT so much. You may be wrong again.

You can't get a $1500.00 plasma like the Vizio that will knock the socks off of any SXRD. RPTV just can't compete with the PQ of direct view flat panel.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

If you're trying to say a $1500 cheapo plasma looks as good as an SXRD, well, if you think so I guess good for you. I just wish I couldn't see worth a damn either, and I would have saved some money on my TV.

When I see people so delusional to believe that the SXRD is some great display technology, when I know plasma is superior and SED technology is even beyond plasma, I wonder what they are seeing.

Ohhh...I get it. You "know" plasma is superior.

Whew. Glad that's all cleared up. :rolleyes:

I've put off buying an HDTV for too long. 2007 needs to be the year I take the plunge. Well, actually, I briefly had a CRT RP HDTV over three years ago, but it turned out to be oversized for my living room. Sold it to a relative, and damn near cry over it to this day.

By the way, I always get a kick out of people who express that they're fine with the choice they made. Sometimes it feels like they're trying to convince themselves more so than others. :D That's cool though. I can understand.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/06/sony-devolpes-new-sxrd-sensor/