Hi,

I currently have a 34 sony HDTV CRT. I'm looking to upgrade to somthing bigger, 42-50. I need sugestions for a good gaming TV. Thanks for your help.

NoyrB

What is your budget?

About 2-3K

I would go with a 40XBR2
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-nQW5rxPfiTV/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=146350&I=158KD40XB2

I recommended it to my parents and they are in love with it. I have to say, it gives the best HD picture I have seen.

Forget the tiny TVs. For that cash you can get a really nice front projecter setup. 92" + and you'll never go back to tiny TVs.

Forget the tiny TVs. For that cash you can get a really nice front projecter setup. 92" + and you'll never go back to tiny TVs.

I second that. Once you go PJ you will never go back.

Forget the tiny TVs. For that cash you can get a really nice front projecter setup. 92" + and you'll never go back to tiny TVs.
Just keep in mind that you will need to game in a dark environment to get the full benefits. Not completely dark, but definitely darker than if you were using a plasma, lcd, or rear projection unit.

I'm not sure if I have enough space for a PJ. I only have 8 feet for a throw.

I would go with a 40XBR2
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-nQW5rxPfiTV/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=146350&I=158KD40XB2

I recommended it to my parents and they are in love with it. I have to say, it gives the best HD picture I have seen.

I would agree I have the 46" version and it is phenomenal make sure you get VGA cables for the 360 :cool:

I would go with a 40XBR2
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-nQW5rxPfiTV/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=146350&I=158KD40XB2

I recommended it to my parents and they are in love with it. I have to say, it gives the best HD picture I have seen.

God I want that TV. Too bad I don't have the funds... :(

You can get the TV that I have and LOVE for that money, with plenty of change to spare.

Samsung 61 inch DLP, model #6187.

Its been nothing but spectactular with the 360.

You can get the TV that I have and LOVE for that money, with plenty of change to spare.

Samsung 61 inch DLP, model #6187.

Its been nothing but spectactular with the 360.


I second this recommendation. I also have the HL-S6187 and it is a dream for my 360. The best part is that it is one of the few sets out there to take a 1080p signal over component. That means you can output at 1080p and there is zero lag since the TV doesn't have to do any de-interlacing/upscaling. This was actually a huge deciding factor in choosing the Samsung over the Sony KDS-60A2000. If you go VGA, it also takes a 1080p signal over that which the Sony wouldn't either. I got mine on sale from Best Buy for $1999 with 18 months 0% interest financing. I haven't seen a deal like that from Best Buy since, but on Amazon the set is $1899 with free shipping.

The Bravia's are amazing and the Aquous sets are too, but I would go with the DLP. Many of the models from last year are in your price range. Many don't accept 1080p input but they deinterlace to 1080p, not a huge difference.

Lots of people are settling in that 50" range, but I'd suggest going to 60' as long as your not planning on watching TV in standard definition on it.

I have a Toshiba DLP I got it because it was cost effective (verus picture quality). I still think a Sony SXRD or a JVC DLP are good choices.

SXRD is a great TV to game on.
I know, I know they are not reliable... neither are 360s. I guess one day my entire setup will crash. At least I will be able to spread the love and blame both MS and Sony. :)

dont overlook westinghouse.

1080p over ALL inputs, 1:1 mapping, no overscan, cheaper price.

i'd pick a westinghouse over sony any day.

I picked up my 60" XBR2 for under 2700 during black friday last year... my 360 looks amazing on it...

I am a HUGE fan of DLP with gaming. I just didn't like what I saw on LCD. I have a 50" Samsung, my cousin has a 62" Toshiba and my sister has a 65" Mitsubishi. Much happier with the PQ on those DLPs than the Samsung LCD my father has and the 52" LCD RP my Aunt has.

I say go as big as you can afford. I love my 50" but would love an even bigger HDTV (eyeing something in the 70" range).

I'm thinking about going with the KDL-40XBR2 too because I'm also in the market for a new TV not just for the 360 but also for the Wii and a PS3. Does the 40XBR2 really not do 1080p over VGA?

What other suggestions do you guys have? I was looking at the 37" Westy but my friend said he can get the Sony for me at cost which would be between $1100-1500 not that bad of a price at all.

How about plasma? I'm really enjoying my Panasonic with the 360.

Hi,

I currently have a 34 sony HDTV CRT. I'm looking to upgrade to somthing bigger, 42-50. I need sugestions for a good gaming TV. Thanks for your help.

NoyrB

Real simple. If you want to keep the performance characteristics of your CRT. Then get a plasma. In fact Plasma is king in the 42"-50" range for bang for the dollar.

You will HATE LCD's with their poor blurry motion performance.

Real simple. If you want to keep the performance characteristics of your CRT. Then get a plasma. In fact Plasma is king in the 42"-50" range for bang for the dollar.

You will HATE LCD's with their poor blurry motion performance.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, if you spend $400 on one maybe. Come on man, the days of all LCD's being lumped in with crap ones is over. Todays LCD's are not the LCD's of 1998 and blurring isn't a problem on either of my Bravias.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, if you spend $400 on one maybe. Come on man, the days of all LCD's being lumped in with crap ones is over. Todays LCD's are not the LCD's of 1998 and blurring isn't a problem on either of my Bravias.

Listen, I just returned a Sony 46V2500(Bravia) and a Samsung 4695DX LCD panel. These are $3000 HDTV's.

There is significant blurring in text and fast motion STILL. Its nowhere near an acceptable to alot of people including myself. Images and text look awesome on LCD's in still shots, but the minute you get fast motion, everything blurs killing the sharp picture.

Now it doesnt state its not a good product. They are. The blacks,colors, uniformity and accuracy are all greatly improved, but they still aren't up to Plasma/CRT levels for performance. They are close in many aspects, but not in motion compensation as I found out when compared against my current 50" Plasma and 55" rear projection CRT based Mits Diamond series TV.

Dude, our eyes are just seeing two entirely different things then, because I'm not seeing it. On earlier LCD's, yeah, it was a problem, but the 360 looks great and plays great on ours. I suppose we will just agree to disagree.

Dude, our eyes are just seeing two entirely different things then, because I'm not seeing it. On earlier LCD's, yeah, it was a problem, but the 360 looks great and plays great on ours. I suppose we will just agree to disagree.

More like you don't have good eyes then. Even my wife see's the extreme blurring effect of LCD. And she isnt a videophile. In fact every single person I know sees it.

Got a digital camcorder? Record some fast moving video or even better yet, record a fast moving video game like Ridge Racer 6. Record the load screen of RR6. The scrolling text looks razor sharp when its still, but when you hit the LT or RT it speeds up the side scolling left or right. Its a good acid test for motion blurring. And every high end LCD panel still fails the test. The text no longer stays razor sharp. It does stay pretty sharp on a CRT or plasma screen though. Big improvement over current LCD TV's that only have a 6-8ms response time at best.

More like you don't have good eyes then. Even my wife see's the extreme blurring effect of LCD. And she isnt a videophile. In fact every single person I know sees it.

Got a digital camcorder? Record some fast moving video or even better yet, record a fast moving video game like Ridge Racer 6. Record the load screen of RR6. The scrolling text looks razor sharp when its still, but when you hit the LT or RT it speeds up the side scolling left or right. Its a good acid test for motion blurring. And every high end LCD panel still fails the test. The text no longer stays razor sharp. It does stay pretty sharp on a CRT or plasma screen though. Big improvement over current LCD TV's that only have a 6-8ms response time at best.

I'm not gonna argue this with you. My eyes are fine, our TV's work great, and considering almost everyone in here is pleased with their LCD's, if anyone has an issue, it's you. I haven't been in the home theater thing for a long time, but I am in it, and I know what blurring looks like, and I don't see it with our sets.

I'm not gonna argue this with you. My eyes are fine, our TV's work great, and considering almost everyone in here is pleased with their LCD's, if anyone has an issue, it's you. I haven't been in the home theater thing for a long time, but I am in it, and I know what blurring looks like, and I don't see it with our sets.

Your not going to argue with it because your wrong. Simple as that. Your LCD doesnt blur? Like I said. Post a video file of YOUR LCD and how well it handles scrolling text across the screen. Its not gonna happen. ;)


Next....................................

I'm not gonna argue this with you. My eyes are fine, our TV's work great, and considering almost everyone in here is pleased with their LCD's, if anyone has an issue, it's you. I haven't been in the home theater thing for a long time, but I am in it, and I know what blurring looks like, and I don't see it with our sets.

Totally agree with you ... My Sony BRAVIA XBR2 40" 1080p works great .

Your not going to argue with it because your wrong. Simple as that. Your LCD doesnt blur? Like I said. Post a video file of YOUR LCD and how well it handles scrolling text across the screen. Its not gonna happen. ;)


Next....................................

Zippy your a weirdo ... :)

Your not going to argue with it because your wrong. Simple as that. Your LCD doesnt blur? Like I said. Post a video file of YOUR LCD and how well it handles scrolling text across the screen. Its not gonna happen. ;)


Next....................................

No, I'm not going to argue with you because it's pointless, futile, wrong, a waste of my time, and most importantly, because you are a first class jerk who won't be here long with an attitude like that.

It's hilarious though, you've got 10 people in 2-3 threads countering this guy, but since in his mind he is an "expert", everyone else is wrong. There's always one on every board.

Zippy your a weirdo ... :)

Among other things.

Glad you are happy with your XBR2, of course I am sure he will disparage the unit once again now that someone else spoke highly of it.

Totally agree with you ... My Sony BRAVIA XBR2 40" 1080p works great .

Works great? No motion blurring AT ALL right? ;)

Do you want to do an online bet(Paypal)that concerns YOUR EXACT TV model and some motion tests? Say $50 or $100? If your up to this bet we can get a moderator involved to maybe hold the money(We both give him $100 in Paypal funds) in a Paypal account for the test/bet.

I have acess to that set at a friends, he has that set with his 360. And we can run the test using games,or an HD-DVD through either VGA or component video as he has both cables. We can run this set against a comperable Plasma or CRT based screen and run dual feeds for a true comparison. I can set up a HD camcorder on a tripod(I have a very nice one thats worthy of this test and then some ;) ). Both TV's would be adjusted front to back in distance so that both screens have the same perspective in size next to each other. Ill run a bunch of different calibration discs on screen to show both screens have been calibrated to proper color/contrast/brightness settings. Then Ill run some games and HD-DVDs with lots of easy to discern text and detail. What the detail looks like in a still frame, and what it looks like in motion.


Ready to see that XBR2 LCD get "torched" and how good(or actually how POORLY) it really handles motion compared to a different technology? ;) I can garentee that everybody who sees that feed will see a BIG difference between the 2.


Sucker bet #2 in favor of ME.


The fact is that Sony XBR2 is a sweet monitor and puts up an amazing picture. It shows that black detail and color are now on par with the better performing Plasma screens. It just can't handle motion for beans still in my book. And don't expect LCD screens to handle motion well until response times get under 2ms.

Oh, and another thing, for the record, I never said that our LCD's "don't blur"............


You may not have said it, but it was SQUARELY IMPLYED that way from where I sit.

As you stated:

............... and I know what blurring looks like, and I don't see it with our sets.

Yet, you can tell the difference at 5 feet between 720p and 1080p on such a small 37" screen...............please...............who are you trying to kid? ;)

You may not have said it, but it was SQUARELY IMPLYED that way from where I sit.


I edited that out because I could see how you could have gotten that impression, and I am sorry for that.

Still, your method of challenging people needs an adjustment. When you confront people, like you have, trying to "bet" them against their own claims, people are not going to appreciate it. Everyone sees things differently, and you need to learn that. Certainly others are more discriminating, but telling a guy that has a damn good TV, and one that is calibrated, that what he is lying about what he is seeing is the wrong way to debate someone.

EDIT - With respect to your second quote, that should have said "blurring problems", so yes, I made a faux pas there. Still, I stand by the fact that todays quality LCD's are fantastic sets that handle motion very well and often its the source that is the problem, not the units themselves.

I edited that out because I could see how you could have gotten that impression, and I am sorry for that.

Still, your method of challenging people needs an adjustment. When you confront people, like you have, trying to "bet" them against their own claims, people are not going to appreciate it. Everyone sees things differently, and you need to learn that. Certainly others are more discriminating, but telling a guy that has a damn good TV, and one that is calibrated, that what he is lying about what he is seeing is the wrong way to debate someone.

I edited in myself. See my last response above. See the big picture I see from you. You either have poor vision, "selective vision"(improbable), or are just BSing people because you have pride in the set you own. Nothing wrong with having pride in your set and being happy with it. Just keep things objective. You I think have lost that in all honesty.

I don't own an XBR2, therefore I have no ego to bruise. I am objective, but just as supposedly its your job to work in this field, it's mine as well. I like LCD's and Plasmas and I have no dog in either hunt. The guy asked for a recommendation in a price range, so I gave him one, and gave him what I feel is one of the best LCD's on the market, and others agreed.

Your other comments are glazed over personal attacks that aren't worth acknowledging and are merely inflammatory.

........................... Still, I stand by the fact that todays quality LCD's are fantastic sets that handle motion very well and often its the source that is the problem, not the units themselves.

I also agree that there are fantastic LCD sets out there. And I dont doubt they will be phenominal in about 5 years.

But the current beef in most professionals eyes with them is the motion compensation. Or lack of. They just aren't there yet on alot of material. Especially if its anything over 30 frames per second. Alot of content now running at around 60fps, and LCD's just aren't up to the task yet in that area. When they are, believe me, Ill be the first to jump on the bandwagon.

where's the popcorn....

.......................... The guy asked for a recommendation in a price range, so I gave him one, and gave him what I feel is one of the best LCD's on the market, and others agreed.

Your other comments are glazed over personal attacks that aren't worth acknowledging and are merely inflammatory.

Ummm, who attacked who first bud?

Lets see: My original response(which was shown as being objective as I stated that if he wants to keep his CRT style display he should stick with a technology that mimics its characteristics. The Plasma does that. Its also known too that MOST PEOPLE who like gaming on CRT's will prefer a flat panel technology that mimics the CRT's motion performance.)was on target 100%.

I stated:Real simple. If you want to keep the performance characteristics of your CRT. Then get a plasma. In fact Plasma is king in the 42"-50" range for bang for the dollar.

You will HATE LCD's with their poor blurry motion performance.

And then who comes in questioning what I said with an attack? :rolleyes:

Hmmmmmmm, next reply in direct response to my thread. Post 21, page 1::rolleyes:

Yeah, if you spend $400 on one maybe. Come on man, the days of all LCD's being lumped in with crap ones is over. Todays LCD's are not the LCD's of 1998 and blurring isn't a problem on either of my Bravias.

You do the math. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if I have enough space for a PJ. I only have 8 feet for a throw.

You can throw 92" from 8'. It depends on the projector. It also depends on your viewing habits, as SD will look pretty bad at that size.

In that case I'd suggest a smaller TV (37-40" or so) and a PJ for your price range ($2-3k)

Ummm, who attacked who first bud?

Lets see: My original response(which was shown as being objective as I stated that if he wants to keep his CRT style display he should stick with a technology that mimics its characteristics. The Plasma does that. Its also known too that MOST PEOPLE who like gaming on CRT's will prefer a flat panel technology that mimics the CRT's motion performance.)was on target 100%.

I stated:

And then who comes in questioning what I said with an attack? :rolleyes:

Hmmmmmmm, next reply in direct response to my thread. Post 21, page 1:

You do the math. :rolleyes:

Where is this alleged attack? The rolleye? Dude, seriously, I am beginning to think you have some sort of problem because you really need to just let this go.

You love to toot your own horn, and obviously you are a legend in your own mind, but this bickering is sullying some good threads, so again, lets be men here, agree to disagree, and move on.

You can throw 92" from 8'. It depends on the projector. It also depends on your viewing habits, as SD will look pretty bad at that size.

In that case I'd suggest a smaller TV (37-40" or so) and a PJ for your price range ($2-3k)

Agreed. Not sure a projector is best for this fella, as you really need a certain kind of room to make it look great (in my experience at least).

Where is this alleged attack? The rolleye? Dude, seriously, I am beginning to think you have some sort of problem because you really need to just let this go.

You love to toot your own horn, and obviously you are a legend in your own mind, but this bickering is sullying some good threads, so again, lets be men here, agree to disagree, and move on.

Look above. Its pretty clear that you attacked my own thread trying to defend the LCD technology on page ONE, poast #21. Are you blind? ;) Actually we both know the answer to that. ;)

I have no problem disagreeing, just don't try and debate something you aren't willing to back up to some sound logic and proof. You didn't need to post your first reply, it in itself provided nothing constructive at all.

Look above. Its pretty clear that you attacked my own thread trying to defend the LCD technology on page ONE, poast #21. Are you blind? ;) Actually we both know the answer to that. ;)

I have no problem disagreeing, just don't try and debate something you aren't willing to back up to some sound logic and proof. You didn't need to post your first reply, it in itself provided nothing constructive at all.

How is this an attack?

From your quote:

Yeah, if you spend $400 on one maybe. Come on man, the days of all LCD's being lumped in with crap ones is over. Todays LCD's are not the LCD's of 1998 and blurring isn't a problem on either of my Bravias.

That is what you labeled as an attack? Are you being serious here? And you're the one being constructive? Another thing, the next time you call me blind, I am reporting it to a moderator. I'm fed up with the personal attacks, regardles of whether you use your emoticons. You're not going to last long here if this is your posting M.O.

How is this an attack?

From your quote:



That is what you labeled as an attack? Are you being serious here? And you're the one being constructive? Another thing, the next time you call me blind, I am reporting it to a moderator. I'm fed up with the personal attacks, regardles of whether you use your emoticons. You're not going to last long here if this is your posting M.O.

Hey at least Im not trying to "reedit" everything I posted there "Dr. Left Eye". ;)

I play em as I "see" em. ;)

Now you're just trying to bait a fight and I have reported this and the last post in the other thread, to the moderators.

You need to grow up and knock off the insults.

..................You need to grow up and knock off the insults.


And you my fine Dr. need to "read up"! ;) You did write a prescription for yourself right? ;)

Keep talking and I will just keep reporting them to Mods every time you try to personally attack me.

Keep talking and I will just keep reporting them to Mods every time you try to personally attack me.

Just ignore him, you can't win a fight with someone who knows everything. :p

Plus it is more fun to watch him argue with with himself ... :)

On a more serious note, I have a great set and if there is motion blur oh well I could care less, cause I love my set. END OF STORY.



P.S. - keep on reporting him to mods, let them put him in the dog house.

He was banned, so everything can go back to normal now. :)

Take your 360 to the store and hook it up. Have them loop it to all the tv's at once if they can. That is what I did and I ended up with the Pioneer 5070 because it beat everything else out in pq. But just take your 360 with you and decide for yourself.

PS Panasonic plasma was second in pq for me. LCD's and RP's looked good too, but not as good as the plasma's in my opinion although I would probably have been happy with them as well.

Samsung 6187

Hahaha, Zippy is funny. He is also right. Big screen LCD's still have blurring issues. Go Plasma .

I would get a plasma no question - trust me I prefer the PQ on plasmas, but since i game and plan on using it as a monitor. No chance for me. I would have to baby it like hell just to prevent burn in and I dont have the time for all that maintenance.

Agreed. Not sure a projector is best for this fella, as you really need a certain kind of room to make it look great (in my experience at least).

Good point. I really don't know his lighting situation. That's why I suggested both (depending on his budget). Gaming looks fine with some ambient light, except for the dark ones (GOW and the like).

Basements are best for projectors. I would get one, but since ill be using it for 50-60hrs/week it would get too costly in the long run replacing the bulbs.

I use a Panasonic PT-AX100 LCD projector and I have no motion blurring during games or movies with it. I've been doing the home theater thing for years and I've had several projectors and I have several game systems connected to the projector.
Perhaps this is an issue with the LCD non-projectors, although that would not make sense.
Has anyone seen this motion blur using a Panasonic PT-AX100?

I use a Panasonic PT-AX100 LCD projector and I have no motion blurring during games or movies with it. I've been doing the home theater thing for years and I've had several projectors and I have several game systems connected to the projector.
Perhaps this is an issue with the LCD non-projectors, although that would not make sense.
Has anyone seen this motion blur using a Panasonic PT-AX100?

I have the cheap Sanyo Z1 lcd projector and I have never seen any motion blurring. The 360 looks stunning on it.

Am I missing something? Why are all of the HDTVs mentioned flat-panels? Rear Projection HDTVs are much cheaper for the same size screen and the PQ is just as good. I love my DLP and I have read one other person mention one.

Right now I think for the money LCD and Plasma are too expensive for what you get. LCD gets much better every year and comes with a nice price drop. 720p Plasmas have better picture quality than 1080p LCDs in the same size/price range. I just didn't go plasma because of burn in with the way I use my tv.

Am I just wrong to try and lead him to LCos or DLP? I would buy an SXRD anyday over a Bravia. With all of my stereo equipment I need a stand and a flat panel is a waste.

i agree, i got rid of my RPTV for my LCD, and i will NEVER go back.

if my lighting conditions were a little darker i'd consider plasma, but i'll never have another RPTV again.

I use an SXRD and it works great. I had thought about a projector, but it would have been in an open area with other stuff going on which required light. Once the SXRD is ready to be replaced, the projectors should be crazy ;)

Hahaha, Zippy is funny. He is also right. Big screen LCD's still have blurring issues. Go Plasma .

I might have suspected people would use a lot of different adjectives to describe that guy, but funny wouldn't be one of the ones I would have thought of. The guys I jerk, there is nothing funny about trying to start trouble here. This site is here as a resource (and a great one at that) and information site, where people share opinions and stuff. What he did was not only disrespectful to me, it was disrespectful to the forum, and thats why he got suspended.

Lets not encourage people to act like that.

No, they're not. Every single RPTV has problems that make them horrible for gaming. I'd never buy a RPTV, I had one for only a couple of weeks and couldn't return it fast enough! PQ sucks on all digital RPTVs.

1) Not one single RPTV has no overscan. You either set to 1:1 and much of the image is cut off or you must scale which looks blurry.
2) Silk Screen Effect (SSE). They all have it to some degree and gets annoying playing games. By the time you realize what caught your eye was the SSE texture, you're dead!
3) Glare. Even in a bat cave, there is reflection between the mirror and glass/plastic cover.
4) RPTVs are HUGE compared to a projector or flat panel.

While the SXRD panel technology is good, I can't recommend anyone get an RPTV if you're using it for gaming.

Ditto!!! RP is at best the 3rd or 4th option for HD gaming. Nice post!!!!

Hey did anyone watch QVC last night? They had a 72 inch (!) DLP toshiba flatscreen for 2999 free shipping! Is this the steal of the century? How would this thing look with the 360? Anyone seen this thing in action?

i couldn't disagree more with the people that don't like RPTV's.

my HL-S5687 has a wonderfull picture and i see no glares or silk screen when playing

That's great lost, but it is probably just a preference kind of thing.

agree....but you guys talk like it's fact.

which it is not....it's YOUR opinion.

agree....but you guys talk like it's fact.

which it is not....it's YOUR opinion.


I'm with you lost! I have an HLS6187 and I think it's amazing for gaming. To each his own though.

I was previously using a JVC LCOS set (which is a fine TV) and switched to a KDL-46XBR2 LCD for gaming (the JVC is in the master suite now).

For me, the LCD was a big step up, it's brightness, viewing angle and the resolution bump were big pluses. I got it because at the time (several months back) there were not many choices in sets which took 1080P directly as input. I was very happy with the JVC and would probably have gotten another if they supported 1080P in.

I honestly have not had any issues with ghosting, blurring or other persistence problems. My Sony does have very slight clouding. I heard about the new Samsung 5265F and went to look at them thinking about switching that in for my den (where my gaming stuff is) but the glare is unfortunately horrific on that set. After I went to look at one at Fry's, I checked AVS forum and sure enough, almost half of the posts on the Samsung were about the glare problem. Otherwise it looks like a beautiful set though.

My SXRD looks great on Gaming. I barely notice SSE unless I look for it and I was just thinking the other day about how I dont notice the glare from my sliding glass door or den window like I used to on my CRT.

The set is obviously big compared to a projector or flat pannel but it was also a lot cheaper to get my 60" SXRD then to try to get a 60" plasma and they dont make 60" LCD and as stated previously about my room configuration I cant use a projector. Thus if I want BIG I go with RPTV and I have been amazed and pleased as can be with the 360 on it. Its awesome!!

I am using the 55A2000 SONY SXRD and I think the 360 looks amazing on it. Never had any issues with game lag and with a 2.5ms response time....you can't beat that.

i couldn't disagree more with the people that don't like RPTV's.

my HL-S5687 has a wonderfull picture and i see no glares or silk screen when playing

I 2nd that notion. WTH are they talking about. My SXRD looks sweet with it and I have no glare at all. Everyone who's ever played 360 on it at my house has been in awe of how amazing it looks. I don't notice any SSE at all either. And who cares if you have a small bit of overscan...do you actually stare at every single pixel on the screen at the same time?

I wish they made a Plasma that didn't burn in. I really prefer the picture on the Plasma and the response time over an LCD. I've heard so much conflicting opinions on this. Some say Plasma won't burn in unless you really abuse it. (how long would that be to have something on the screen?) Some say Plasma is too risky for gaming no matter what. LCD has a somewhat artificial look to me, and I do notice some blurring at times. Which is the way to go? :confused:

I wish they made a Plasma that didn't burn in. I really prefer the picture on the Plasma and the response time over an LCD. I've heard so much conflicting opinions on this. Some say Plasma won't burn in unless you really abuse it. (how long would that be to have something on the screen?) Some say Plasma is too risky for gaming no matter what. LCD has a somewhat artificial look to me, and I do notice some blurring at times. Which is the way to go? :confused:

Its safe to game on a plasma now, just have to be careful...much more cautious than you would be with a LCD. But from what I was told by many users, once you pass the 200 hr break in point, the chances of burn in are slim to none. Obviously dont display the same image on there for days on end, but I was told many can display it for a full day at a time with no burn in. Also once you break it in properly for the first 200hrs, not only do the chances of burn in significantly decrease but if you do get it, it fades much much quicker.

And I couldnt agree with you more, I much prefer the image of plasma than LCD. Plasma jumps out at you, LCDs dont.

dont overlook westinghouse.

1080p over ALL inputs, 1:1 mapping, no overscan, cheaper price.

i'd pick a westinghouse over sony any day.

I second that!

Its safe to game on a plasma now, just have to be careful...much more cautious than you would be with a LCD. But from what I was told by many users, once you pass the 200 hr break in point, the chances of burn in are slim to none. Obviously dont display the same image on there for days on end, but I was told many can display it for a full day at a time with no burn in. Also once you break it in properly for the first 200hrs, not only do the chances of burn in significantly decrease but if you do get it, it fades much much quicker.

And I couldnt agree with you more, I much prefer the image of plasma than LCD. Plasma jumps out at you, LCDs dont.That's encouraging because I love the Plasma picture. I'm just so paranoid about burning in things from gaming but if you breakin the TV properly and you don't abuse the set then I think that I'm going to pick out a Plasma. Perhaps one of the new Samsungs I think 5054 because they come with a game mode and somekind of anti burn in technology. I saw a Plasma 1080p at BB playing a blueray, it was pioneer Elite. That blew me away.

BTW ... Guitar Hero 2 ... no lag at all ... no blur ... AX100 LCD projector.

I recently switched from a RPTV to an LCD. I love the difference. While I did like many aspects to my old RPTV's picture, there were things that drove me nuts. I grew frustrated with focus issues, having to game in a darker room, and the giant footprint the tv took up.

I'm really digging the lack of overscan on my LCD. I know I'm not gaining that much picture, but it makes me feel warm and cozy inside.

I recently switched from a RPTV to an LCD. I love the difference. While I did like many aspects to my old RPTV's picture, there were things that drove me nuts. I grew frustrated with focus issues, having to game in a darker room, and the giant footprint the tv took up.

I'm really digging the lack of overscan on my LCD. I know I'm not gaining that much picture, but it makes me feel warm and cozy inside.

Isnt that what an HDTV is suppose to do? Make us all feel warm and cozy? Most of these things I see people argue about on here seem to come down to vagaries of perception anyways. Just buy whatever will make you feel warm and cozy inside.

For me thats gonna be the kds-50A2020, price point is good, technology seems pretty decent. And finally the cons dont seem that bad, footprint and size/weight are not THAT bad, 75lbs compared to this 36" grand wega is a god send! I suppose there will be SOMETHING wrong but oh well television tech just isnt perfect yet, and that includes plasma lol.

And as for all this "well if you take a picture of a jack russle terrier that is blowing out birthday candles on the second sunday in april a single pixel will blink once! So anyone who has bla bla bla technology should just kill their family and salt the earth they stood on!" well it seems kind of foolish lol. Does zippy just constantly search the boards for any kind of plasma negativity he can find and just pick people a part for owning anything but???? sheeesh

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Well thats a bit more than I need to know! You may want to edit that bit of info. J/K lol

FWIW, i'm using an 'older' DLP, samsung 50' from 2005, the HLR-5067 (edited, since I looked up my model from my AVSF profile)

In terms of lag, I always blamed my set for 'slow reaction' and what not, see. Until I rented Guitar Hero II and used their built in 'video lag' utility.

Tried it and got 0ms consistantly, while using that utility.

Didn't mean I could play GH2 though! :D But at least now I know that I can't just blame the set and the lack of 'game mode'. Just bad hand-eye coordination and lack of action-gaming fu.

My Panasonic PT-52LCX66 has been calibrated and it gives me "OH MY GOD" pictures on both the 360 and regular TV. It is hooked up to the VGA cable running 1360x768 and I would put it up against the best plasmas and panels. the matte screen on it gives it a more cinematic feel that you dont get with the glossy plasmas and panels.

Some of the best 360 screens have been on DLP and LCD(LcoS) setups.

My Panasonic PT-52LCX66 has been calibrated and it gives me "OH MY GOD" pictures on both the 360 and regular TV. It is hooked up to the VGA cable running 1360x768 and I would put it up against the best plasmas and panels. the matte screen on it gives it a more cinematic feel that you dont get with the glossy plasmas and panels.

Some of the best 360 screens have been on DLP and LCD(LcoS) setups.


I agree with this recommendation 100%. I bought this same model about 2 months ago specifically for the Xbox 360 (through component) and PS3 (through HDMI).

Unbelievable! The gaming images are razor sharp with NO lag time or blurring..."Motorstorm" is a work of art to see. The demo for Ninja Gaiden Sigma is beyond belief on this set.

And, unlike the previous poster, I haven't even calibrated it yet.

For the price ($999.95 on sale), I can't see how someone could go wrong.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, if you spend $400 on one maybe. Come on man, the days of all LCD's being lumped in with crap ones is over. Todays LCD's are not the LCD's of 1998 and blurring isn't a problem on either of my Bravias.


They're definitely improving but the biggest issue for me is still Black level performance .. Only a select few models have decent black levels, Westinghouse is one of the worst brands in this area but some of the Bravias & Sharp Aquos's are nice, Guess you get what you pay for.

Personally Im still holding on to my Sony 34XBR960 CRT hdtv until I find something that can handle all resolution sources with decent quality, for example a Bravia's 1080p quality might be excellent but throw it a 480P source and all of a sudden it looks like garbage, the same 480P source looks 10x better on my XBR960 and it has nothing to do with the size differences.

They should sticky this thread to the top.. So everyone that tries to ask this very question can see the answers they'll get..