Hi guys, I'm just about ready to buy a new television and wanted to throw this out there - when using the HD-DVD attachment, is there a big difference in picture quality between 720p and 1080p? I've read quite a bit how there isn't much practical difference in the resolutions in most cases, but was wondering how this plays out with the HD-DVD attachment going 1080p via VGA. FYI, I'll be splitting my use of the tv about 40% each gaming and movies, 20% television. I'm trying to decide between plasma and LCD right now, and this is a factor for me.

LCD is better for gaming and 1080p is only noticable on an HDTV bigger than 40".

Depends on size..

42" perhaps even 47" and less their wont be a noticeable difference..1080p really shines at anything above 50"

Dont got with plasmas they are getting phased out, you want a next gen television you shouldnt have to deal with glare/burn-in (unlikely but still possible)/fading picture..And other problems....

LCD is better for gaming and 1080p is only noticable on an HDTV bigger than 40".

While respecting your opinion Outlaw, I disagree and much prefer the smoother look and deeper blacks of plasma in general, particularly when watching TV and movies (you indicate roughly 60%). My Xbox360 spends most of it's time on a 57" CRT RPTV, some on a 50" Panasonic plasma, occasionally a Sanyo Z4 LCD projector, and rarely on a 32" Vizio LCD TV. Of the four display types, the LCD TV is probably my least favorite due to washed out blacks relative to the plasma and CRT. The Z4 also suffers this to some degree but makes up for the deficiency in spades with a 92" picture :)

BTW Spinks, the LCD vs. Plasma lifespan "disparity" has been largely debunked, same with gaming IR issues. See the other thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=801219) here about gaming with plasma, it's on the first page of the Xbox forum. Plasma is a very mature technology, and treated properly will offer many many years of worry-free viewing and gaming enjoyment. I would agree that LCD is just hitting its stride and has more "upside" in terms of advancement, but that doesn't equate to plasma being obsolete.

That's also not to say LCD isn't good, you'll likely be quite pleased with nearly any of the newer LCD displays on the market. They're getting pretty inexpensive, are lighter and use less power than a plasma, and are improving overall. My Vizio isn't exactly high-end (32" , $599 MSRP) so perhaps those with other, more capable LCD's can offer a more qualified opinion.

I cannot comment on 1080p vs. 720p from direct experience, none of my displays are 1080p capable. The Xbox 360 HD drive looks great at 720p, and is typically used in my house on the 57" CRT RPTV. The noise from the 360 + DVD drive is pretty substantial however, make sure you can enclose them in a well-ventilated cabinet of some type. Some people are saying the newer 360's are quieter, but my launch-day box is loud as hell, and can be a little distracting during movie time (even in a well-ventilated cabinet).

Good luck in your search, make sure and wander over to the LCD and Plasma forums for more assistance narrowing down your possible purchase candidates.

While respecting your opinion Outlaw, I disagree and much prefer the smoother look and deeper blacks of plasma in general, particularly when watching TV and movies (you indicate roughly 60%). My Xbox360 spends most of it's time on a 57" CRT RPTV, some on a 50" Panasonic plasma, occasionally a Sanyo Z4 LCD projector, and rarely on a 32" Vizio LCD TV. Of the four display types, the LCD TV is probably my least favorite due to washed out blacks relative to the plasma and CRT. The Z4 also suffers this to some degree but makes up for the deficiency in spades with a 92" picture :)

BTW Spinks, the LCD vs. Plasma lifespan "disparity" has been largely debunked, same with gaming IR issues. See the other thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=801219) here about gaming with plasma, it's on the first page of the Xbox forum. Plasma is a very mature technology, and treated properly will offer many many years of worry-free viewing and gaming enjoyment. I would agree that LCD is just hitting its stride and has more "upside" in terms of advancement, but that doesn't equate to plasma being obsolete.

That's also not to say LCD isn't good, you'll likely be quite pleased with nearly any of the newer LCD displays on the market. They're getting pretty inexpensive, are lighter and use less power than a plasma, and are improving overall. My Vizio isn't exactly high-end (32" , $599 MSRP) so perhaps those with other, more capable LCD's can offer a more qualified opinion.

I cannot comment on 1080p vs. 720p from direct experience, none of my displays are 1080p capable. The Xbox 360 HD drive looks great at 720p, and is typically used in my house on the 57" CRT RPTV. The noise from the 360 + DVD drive is pretty substantial however, make sure you can enclose them in a well-ventilated cabinet of some type. Some people are saying the newer 360's are quieter, but my launch-day box is loud as hell, and can be a little distracting during movie time (even in a well-ventilated cabinet).

Good luck in your search, make sure and wander over to the LCD and Plasma forums for more assistance narrowing down your possible purchase candidates.

Plasmas are good sets but I think the cons outweight the pros. I think plasma perhaps has reached their maximum potential and LCD is just advancing...Beyond plasma...Most of the problems have been worked out with plasmas but the main kicker in me deciding an LCD was glare...With plasma glare is still their, to some it could be a moot point and perhaps a peeve that isnt a big deal. But anywhere in my house it is a problem and I wouldnt recommend it to anyone after having an LCD set...I cant stand to watch CRT even though they are my preferred type of tv.

Get 1080p, you won't regret it! It is a noticeable difference in both games which are 1080p native (GRAW 2) as well as full HD 1080p HD DVDs! You will be future-proofing yourself too since programming will eventually be broadcast in 1080p.

graw 2 isnt 1080p native.

It depends... Do you want to see 1 million pixels or 2 million pixels?

Get 1080p, you won't regret it! It is a noticeable difference in both games which are 1080p native (GRAW 2) as well as full HD 1080p HD DVDs! You will be future-proofing yourself too since programming will eventually be broadcast in 1080p.

I don't think we will be seeing any broadcasts of 1080p for a VERY long time. I only have 22 channels in HD right now and the quality on those is good at best. They don't have the bandwidth to go to 1080p. Even with Verizon Fios starting to take hold in a few markets we are years away (and a few HDTV purchases) from broadcast HD.

I would personally go for the best 720p you can find if you are under 50". Contrast ratio is more important I think than 1080p or 720p.

Contrast ratio is definetly more improtant than 720 vs 1080p, but with that said, the picture quality will also depend on how far away you sit from the tv when watching the movies and playing the games. IF you go to BB or CC look at the different tvs up close, on 720 p you can see the liitle pixels much more than 1080p. There is a difference, IF I were to get a new tv I would go with 1080p cause you might kick yourself later saying "I wonder how much better the picture would have been only if" Honestly like the other guys said if you sit back far enough the picture will look amazing, just look how much better SD tv looks when you stand far back compared to upclose. Same thing 1080p becomes more of an issue over 40 inches because at that point the pixels are really starting to spread far apart, so you'll notice a difference. Still I like to sit up close to my tv, I am currently typing this on my 42 inch LCD, and its great for the computer, so makle sure you inquire about this if you want to do this as some tvs aren't really setup for computers

contrast ratio is important.

only one problem though.


there isnt a standardized method of testing contrast ratio! every manufacturer measures differently, so CR specs dont mean ANYTHING. you really do have to see for your self, or take the opinions of hundreds of users in a thread on avs. that's the only way. you cant compare apples to oranges.

Depends on size..

42" perhaps even 47" and less their wont be a noticeable difference..1080p really shines at anything above 50"

Dont got with plasmas they are getting phased out, you want a next gen television you shouldnt have to deal with glare/burn-in (unlikely but still possible)/fading picture..And other problems....
I don't know how someone with so many posts could figure that plasma is "getting phased out."

If you get a Pioneer you can minimize glare unless you are watching TV/gaming in broad daylight with a window directly behind. Burn-in/IR are a thing of the past, especially when you break in the TV and vary your usage a little bit. I play games on my 50" Pio5071 at least two hours a day with no noticable burn-in/IR.

Fact is no LCD out there can give a better picture than plasma in decent viewing conditions.

I don't know how someone with so many posts could figure that plasma is "getting phased out."

If you get a Pioneer you can minimize glare unless you are watching TV/gaming in broad daylight with a window directly behind. Burn-in/IR are a thing of the past, especially when you break in the TV and vary your usage a little bit. I play games on my 50" Pio5071 at least two hours a day with no noticable burn-in/IR.

Fact is no LCD out there can give a better picture than plasma in decent viewing conditions.


Their are a lot less plasma sets in stores and a lot more lcd by the manufacturers who use to have plasmas hanging in the same spot. plasmas arent largely as produced as they were a year or so ago.

You mention no lcd can give a better picture than plasma under right viewing conditions...Problem is not everyone has those conditions, I know I dont. If I did I would have went with CRT to be completely honest. LCD works whether your viewing conditions are good or bad...I wont deny plasmas quality but like I said to many cons for me.

From what I have read from alot of pros reviews and recommendations they say...

1080p vs 720p A good 720p is BARELY noticeable

LCD's are better in well lit rooms

Plasmas have better contrast ratios.

Here is some articles I can point to.

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/expert_interview_720p_vs_1080p/C155

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_720p.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6361600-1.html

I don't think whats in the stores has anything to do with whats being phased out. LCD's are more money, maybe they are making more on LCD's vs PLasma's?
When are we going to see HD broadcast in 1080p?
I personally am not inpressed with 1080p when I go to local A/V stores that have iit setup.

I personally think contrast ratio matters more. I would rather spend money on a good 720p display then pay more money for a 1080p display.

Thanks everyone! I think I'm just gonna go with a 720p HDTV. 1080p can wait and I'd rather have more money to put towards speakers.

Their are a lot less plasma sets in stores and a lot more lcd by the manufacturers who use to have plasmas hanging in the same spot. plasmas arent largely as produced as they were a year or so ago.



For the record I do not own a plasma TV, but your assumptions are so flawed with zero facts to back them up. Clearly the investment in plasma technology is on the rise rand production is only going up!

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2172314/panasonic-readies-world-largest

Matsushita Electric Industrial, the company behind the Panasonic brand, has teamed up with chemicals group Toray Industries to build the world's largest plasma TV factory.

The firms announced plans today to build the plasma display panel manufacturing facility in Japan, which will be able to produce one million units a month.

The new factory will be the fifth display plant to be created by the firms, and will operate under the aegis of Matsushita PDP Company Ltd.

It will be constructed in Amagasaki near the firms' existing fourth plant. Construction is scheduled to start in November 2007 and the first phase of production will begin in May 2009.

With an investment of approximately 280 billion yen, the new plant will have a monthly production capacity of one million 42in units, the largest production capacity of plasma display panels in the world.

Panasonic forecasts that, with the rapid increase in demand for flat-panel TVs due to the global digitalisation of TV broadcasts, 65 per cent of the 200 million demand for TVs will be for flat-panel TVs in 2010.

The firm also estimates that over 30 per cent of the global aggregate demand for TVs will be for 37in or larger flat-panel TVs by 2010.

Panasonic said that it did not expect LCD screens to eclipse plasma-based systems.

It anticipates that the global plasma display panel market will grow to 30 million units in 2010 "because of the superiority of such TVs to other flat-panel TVs in terms of production and cost efficiency as well as picture quality".


http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Plasma/L8L2N5Q2

Owner of Panasonic and JVC, Matsushita is a Godzilla-style behemoth with a home electronics operation that defines the state of the art.

And when it comes to Matsushita's top brass, there's none bigger than Fumio Ohtsubo. As president, he has the dubious honour of steering the world's biggest consumer electronics company through an era of ferocious competition and multi-trillion yen risk. But he seems undaunted by the task. We met shortly after he announced a modest plan to boost annual sales of Panasonic's plasma screens by a massive 70 percent.

"At present our TV output is bigger than the Korean makers," he says. "In 2006 our third plasma factory, Amagasaki, started operation and in 2007 our fourth factory launch (is scheduled). And we will invest even more to develop plasma displays. Of course, price erosion is severe but aggressive investment is the most important point if we are to remain competitive."

Hi guys, I'm just about ready to buy a new television and wanted to throw this out there - when using the HD-DVD attachment, is there a big difference in picture quality between 720p and 1080p? I've read quite a bit how there isn't much practical difference in the resolutions in most cases, but was wondering how this plays out with the HD-DVD attachment going 1080p via VGA. FYI, I'll be splitting my use of the tv about 40% each gaming and movies, 20% television. I'm trying to decide between plasma and LCD right now, and this is a factor for me.

I ended up returning 3 1080p LCD screens. All were high end(including a Sony 46" V2500 and a 4095 Samsung)models. I sit around 5-6 feet from them. I ended up getting a budget Maxent 720p 50" Plasma monitor to try out in their place.

It took me a total of about 30 seconds upon turing that basic budget Plasma on to show me what I was missing. No comparison for movies OR video games.

Current LCD screens have nothing over plasma currently, even with their slightly higher 1080p resolution spec.

If you plan on spending $1500-$2500 then plasma is the way to go. CRT performance(with better color gamut)in a flat panel. Thats the best way to sum up plasma.

Just make sure the plasma has a pc input and good extensive picture controls. If it does you will get the best of all worlds having the 1:1 pixel mapping and sharp razor like still picture image potential of an LCD with the smooth motion performance and screen output uniformity of a CRT with the best color palette and image "depth" of any technology.

Burn-in is a thing of the past finally, and you can reduce temporary image retention or remove it altogether with proper break-in and weekly maintenance(I run the built in color recycle screen for a few hours at the end of every week when not in use to keep the screen PERFECT).

I watched "Pitch Black" in HD-DVD in 720p on my 50" plasma, and at 1080p on the LCDs(which I made sure to sit a bit closer to properly compensate for the viewing ratio between screen size and distance since they were a touch smaller screens than the current 50" I use now).

Again, there really was no comparison. And since this is a very dark movie with lots of bright contrasty scenes things like false contouring, black detail,depth of picture,shading etc all come into play. The budget Plasma was again top notch(other than poor false contouring, but thats why Im upgrading to a BETTER PLASMA! ;) ). There was no way to discern which monitor was 1080p and which was 720p. Resolution was not a factor at all even at my close viewing seating position. But I can tell you which picture blew me away. It was the plasma. Big improvement in picture depth(that "pop" people speak of)and significantly less motion blur thats on par with CRT tube TV's in motion performance.

Besides, your Xbox360 game system is actually a 720p/60 design. I know it can do 1080p/30 but its useless. The xbox 360 shines and will do the minimal amount of video processing when it can output the picture in its native resolution mode(which is 720p). And couple that with a 720p monitor and you have a perfect match with the least amount of picture processing in the chain.

Its a garentee that when you sit in front of a 720p Plasma, the last thing you will worry about is the resolution spec. lol!

It depends on how far away you are. I just got a 1080P 37" Westinghouse. And you can definnitely see the difference in detail. I am around 5 feet from the screen but the difference is obvious. It's closer now to how my 61" 1080P set looks. But I will never buy another 720P/768P set again. Only 1080P sets from now on.

It depends on how far away you are. I just got a 1080P 37" Westinghouse. And you can definnitely see the difference in detail. I am around 5 feet from the screen but the difference is obvious. It's closer now to how my 61" 1080P set looks. But I will never buy another 720P/768P set again. Only 1080P sets from now on.

At 5 feet you cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a small 37" monitor. And this is a proven FACT.

If you want to prove this FACT wrong. Then set up a blind test with 2 37" HDTV's preferrably both from the same mfg., same generation panel,processing etc. In other words make this a true apples to apples comparison then throw some nice Blu-ray or HD-DVDs in and play em both side by side at the same time. You will NOT see a difference.

I am an avid PQ freak. I just returned a few 46" 1080p HDTV's and ended up going with a larger 50" 720p instead. I sit 6 feet away from the screen. The larger LOWER resolution 50" actually had a far superior picture in every detail and the picture was razor sharp.

How can this be? Sitting at only 6 feet away I went from a higher res. 1080p 46" to a slightly larger 50" with a lower resolution.

Resolution isn't everything.

At 5 feet you cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a small 37" monitor. And this is a proven FACT.

If you want to prove this FACT wrong. Then set up a blind test with 2 37" HDTV's preferrably both from the same mfg., same generation panel,processing etc. In other words make this a true apples to apples comparison then throw some nice Blu-ray or HD-DVDs in and play em both side by side at the same time. You will NOT see a difference.

I am an avid PQ freak. I just returned a few 46" 1080p HDTV's and ended up going with a larger 50" 720p instead. I sit 6 feet away from the screen. The larger LOWER resolution 50" actually had a far superior picture in every detail and the picture was razor sharp.

How can this be? Sitting at only 6 feet away I went from a higher res. 1080p 46" to a slightly larger 50" with a lower resolution.

Resolution isn't everything.

This is the second time you have been wrong today. I love how just because you returned 3 LCD's you are somehow qualified to tell people that what they are seeing with their own two eyes is wrong.

This is the second time you have been wrong today. I love how just because you returned 3 LCD's you are somehow qualified to tell people that what they are seeing with their own two eyes is wrong.

Actually I have yet to be wrong. But you have been so far.


So your going to tell us, you just happened to do an apples to apples comparison with 2 37" monitors running side by side and at 5 feet where you could tell a difference? Uhuh. ;) The mind is a powerful tool. The mind is also easily fooled and tricked both by sound and vision.

Please, some people here are smarter than that. Considering that my LIVING revolves around high end HT construction,installation and audio(not video, but I know how to do an excellent amateur video calibration as I do posess a quality colorimeter) calibration, I'm sure I have a bit more insight than you do.

Or if you want. I would be willing to do a $2500 bet in my own home that you in fact CANT tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50" display sitting at only 6 feet back since I do have the capability of putting 2 similiar monitors next to each other for this type of test. This should be a slam dunk for you Bob. If you can see the physical differences between 720p and 1080p at 5 feet on a small 37", then surely you would be able to tell the difference quickly on larger 50" sets at only a foot further away right? ;)

I'm in the Boston Mass. area if you ever want to take me up on this bet. $2500. ;)

And if your not already smart on this. This is an EXTREME SUCKER BET that favors ME.

Well it looks like he made his decision anyways.

I think in the long run one must figure out if the price difference between 1080p vs 720p is worth it.

I got to do some work at a house that had a 10 foot screen with a Runco 1080p projector. Brand spankin! I did not see that much of a difference, it didn't blow me away.

Actually I have yet to be wrong. But you have been so far.


So your going to tell us, you just happened to do an apples to apples comparison with 2 37" monitors running side by side and at 5 feet where you could tell a difference? Uhuh. ;) The mind is a powerful tool. The mind is also easily fooled and tricked both by sound and vision.

Please, some people here are smarter than that. Considering that my LIVING revolves around high end HT construction,installation and audio(not video, but I know how to do an excellent amateur video calibration as I do posess a quality colorimeter) calibration, I'm sure I have a bit more insight than you do.

Or if you want. I would be willing to do a $2500 bet in my own home that you in fact CANT tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 50" display sitting at only 6 feet back since I do have the capability of putting 2 similiar monitors next to each other for this type of test. This should be a slam dunk for you Bob. If you can see the physical differences between 720p and 1080p at 5 feet on a small 37", then surely you would be able to tell the difference quickly on larger 50" sets at only a foot further away right? ;)

I'm in the Boston Mass. area if you ever want to take me up on this bet. $2500. ;)

And if your not already smart on this. This is an EXTREME SUCKER BET that favors ME.

Uh, no, I have yet to be wrong. What I have stated is that the XBR2 Bravia is a damn excellent LCD for gaming, and that I can see the differences on some 1080p sets, vs. 720p units. Those are 100% true statements and I have no reason to provide anything other than what I know to be the truth.

Yeah, everyone is an expert on here. If I had a dollar for everytime someone who is allegedly "in the business", has given flat out wrong information, I would be Bill Gates rich.

I believe the guy because I can see the difference on 40" units, in fact, I can see it easily on 40" units, so why in the world should I or anyone else believe some message board expert, with the name "BongHits" or whatever, when our own eyes are able to perceive the difference?

You're just a shill for Plasma sets, and that is fine, we all have our preferences, but at least come clean rather about that and be up front with the forum.

Uh, no, I have yet to be wrong. What I have stated is that the XBR2 Bravia is a damn excellent LCD for gaming, and that I can see the differences on some 1080p sets, vs. 720p units. Those are 100% true statements and I have no reason to provide anything other than what I know to be the truth.

Yeah, everyone is an expert on here. If I had a dollar for everytime someone who is allegedly "in the business", has given flat out wrong information, I would be Bill Gates rich.

I believe the guy because I can see the difference on 40" units, in fact, I can see it easily on 40" units, so why in the world should I or anyone else believe some message board expert, with the name "BongHits" or whatever, when our own eyes are able to perceive the difference?

You're just a shill for Plasma sets, and that is fine, we all have our preferences, but at least come clean rather about that and be up front with the forum.

Ugh? You have yet to be wrong? Your already getting picked apart in the OTHER thread..............care to continue in this one?

Uh, no, I have yet to be wrong. What I have stated is that the XBR2 Bravia is a damn excellent LCD for gaming, and that I can see the differences on some 1080p sets, vs. 720p units. Those are 100% true statements and I have no reason to provide anything other than what I know to be the truth.

Yeah, everyone is an expert on here. If I had a dollar for everytime someone who is allegedly "in the business", has given flat out wrong information, I would be Bill Gates rich.

I believe the guy because I can see the difference on 40" units, in fact, I can see it easily on 40" units, so why in the world should I or anyone else believe some message board expert, with the name "BongHits" or whatever, when our own eyes are able to perceive the difference?

You're just a shill for Plasma sets, and that is fine, we all have our preferences, but at least come clean rather about that and be up front with the forum.


Well, Im glad to see that you have magic eyes. So how about putting up some objective shots to back up your claims. Or better yet, how about taking my 1080p/720p bet?

And btw, don't let the name fool you. I am at least willing to disprove(with video footage and $$$) any of your preposterous theries you think you can see. How many eye prescriptions do you give out everyday btw? ;)

Ugh? You have yet to be wrong? Your already getting picked apart in the OTHER thread..............care to continue in this one?

Picked apart? By who? You? Let's see, two people have made comments supporting my recommendation, while Z-E-R-O have supported anything you have said.

Again, all I have done is give recommendations, yet you continue to try and bait this into some sort of personal contest. You disagree, resign yourself to that and get over it. Sheesh.

Well, Im glad to see that you have magic eyes. So how about putting up some objective shots to back up your claims. Or better yet, how about taking my 1080p/720p bet?

And btw, don't let the name fool you. I am at least willing to disprove(with video footage and $$$) any of your preposterous theries you think you can see. How many eye prescriptions do you give out everyday btw? ;)

Again with these bets? Do you have some sort of gambling compulsion or something? We're talking on a message board son, why make this some sort of contest? Why continue to try with the not so vague attacks on me and the other guy? We disagree, we see things differently (literally), just leave it at that.

Like in the other thread, you have people TELLING YOU, exactly what they are seeing, giving first person....testimony, for lack of a better term, yet you wanna go after them like they are insulting you personally, for simply preferring LCD's over Plasma. Get off your crusade, go over to the Plasma board if you can't take dissent, because we're heading into a direction where I just put you on the ignore list or take this to the moderators.

I don't appreciate the attacks and misplaced attempts to joke about "eye prescriptions", they are hardly helping anyone and making you look like a real ass.

Picked apart? By who? You? Let's see, two people have made comments supporting my recommendation, while Z-E-R-O have supported anything you have said.

Again, all I have done is give recommendations, yet you continue to try and bait this into some sort of personal contest. You disagree, resign yourself to that and get over it. Sheesh.


Uhuh, so what happens when an ISF certified member joins the thread and his comments end up siding with my views?

For every member here who is experienced in the HT industry, there are 1000 members who aren't or who have very limited knowledge and practical experience. I have set up 100's of HT rooms in just the past 2 years alone. How many have you? How much practical experience do you truely have?

Its not a "personal" contest in any way. I just like to set the record straight about what the human eye can and cannot discern.

I bet you have no idea that color saturation/accuracy and black detail/ANSI contrast play a bigger role in screen detail and percieved "resolution", than the actual physical resolution itself. A much BIGGER role. This is what you don't understand. Most people don't. So do some reading/searching up on "percieved optical resolution" and get back to me.

If you truely understood this concept you wouldnt even be trying to argue "I can tell the difference between 720p/1080p on a tiny screen" balogny at all. :rolleyes:

Like in the other thread, you have people TELLING YOU, exactly what they are seeing, giving first person....testimony, for lack of a better term, yet you wanna go after them like they are insulting you personally, for simply preferring LCD's over Plasma. Get off your crusade, go over to the Plasma board if you can't take dissent, because we're heading into a direction where I just put you on the ignore list or take this to the moderators.

I don't appreciate the attacks and misplaced attempts to joke about "eye prescriptions", they are hardly helping anyone and making you look like a real ass.

Hate to say it, but your the only one looking like an @ss. If you truely understood how your own eyes work and what they really percieve, you wouldn't have made alot of the statements you made. Again read my last post right above this one for those answers..................and uh, keep those eye prescriptions coming! ;)

How long did it take you to google those terms so you could use them properly?

Ya know what, I'm not stooping down to your level anymore. If you wanna pick a fight with someone and throw veiled little insults at them, go to another forum. This is counterproductive, not what anyone wants to read, and doesn't belong in this or any other thread at AVS.

I'm sorry I ever even responded to anything you said since you obviously only want to fight and throw insults at people.

Hate to say it, but your the only one looking like an @ss. If you truely understood how your own eyes work and what they really percieve, you wouldn't have made alot of the statements you made. Again read my last post right above this one for those answers..................and uh, keep those eye prescriptions coming! ;)

I told ya, next time you threw the eye insult thing at me, I would report it to a moderator, and I did just that. Wanna disagree? Fine. Wanna throw insults at people, especially those type of insults, and I will just report it. We don't need this stuff here.

How long did it take you to google those terms so you could use them properly?

Ya know what, I'm not stooping down to your level anymore. If you wanna pick a fight with someone and throw veiled little insults at them, go to another forum. This is counterproductive, not what anyone wants to read, and doesn't belong in this or any other thread at AVS.

I'm sorry I ever even responded to anything you said since you obviously only want to fight and throw insults at people.

Then I guess you shouldn't have made the silly moronic statements you did of what you think you percieve to see.

Don't worry though, you will always be my "Dr. Left Eye". ;)

Remeber though that $2500 bet stands if your ever in the Boston Mass. area. Just image how retardly foolish I can make you feel in person where you eyes can't hide what they can really "see". ;) I'm sure your checkbook won't like you though.............................or your gf/wife for that matter, LOL! ;)

I told ya, next time you threw the eye insult thing at me, I would report it to a moderator, and I did just that. Wanna disagree? Fine. Wanna throw insults at people, especially those type of insults, and I will just report it. We don't need this stuff here.

We don't need uniformed idiots here giving out "baseless" opinions either. I love opinions, the ones based on proven facts that is. ;)

Dr. "Left Eye". LOL! ;)

Don't cry. :( :p

Member suspended for childish name calling.

Carry on,

Kyser

At 5 feet you cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a small 37" monitor. And this is a proven FACT.

If you want to prove this FACT wrong. Then set up a blind test with 2 37" HDTV's preferrably both from the same mfg., same generation panel,processing etc.

That's probably impossible. The 1080p model is usually going to be a newer generation than the 720p model from the same manufacturer. Several manufacturers don't even make anything 720p above a certain size any more. So even if one was to 100% buy into the notion that resolution makes little difference, the 1080p model would usually still be superior because of everything else - contrast ratio, color accuracy, processing, etc. - simply because it's newer, and stuff keeps getting better with every generation.

It's nice that there are people who enjoy pointing out exactly why it's better, but in the end it's kind of pedantic. If you want the best TV from any given manufacturer (excluding, maybe, a few high end plasmas) it's probably going to be one of their 1080p models.

See, that is a great way of putting it. For me though, the main thing I am see on say, 40" 1080p sets, versus their same size, 720p counterparts, is a bit more clarity. It is entirely possible this is due to it simply being a newer (read as better) model, but it seems to be across the board clearer, and to some degree, you have to attribute that to it being 1080p. Obviously the larger it is the easier it will be to tell, but I have always scoffed at the notion that simply because something is 37-40 inches, that its nigh impossible to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. As others have said, it seems to be easy to tell.

Yes it's odd how I can read all the lines from an HD test pattern with a 37" 1080P monitor at 5 feet but even at 2 feet on a 32" 768P monitor I can't read them.
I also have 20/20 vision thanks to LASIK. I don't know if that makes a difference but after dealing with HD sets since 2001, I can see the difference assuming the source has the detail to begin with. Like the Chicken little BD. You can see more detail at 1080P than with 720P.
Also post a link for this proven fact that you can't tell the difference between a 37" 1080P set and a 37"720P set at 5 feet viewing distance. I'd like to read it. Maybe I can offer my services to who ever came up with the erroneous info.
That wouldbe like saying that everyone can't hear a difference between certain things. Most people might not be able to but some people can. Just like some people can see better than other people or notice things other people don't notice.

At 5 feet you cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a small 37" monitor. And this is a proven FACT.

If you want to prove this FACT wrong. Then set up a blind test with 2 37" HDTV's preferrably both from the same mfg., same generation panel,processing etc. In other words make this a true apples to apples comparison then throw some nice Blu-ray or HD-DVDs in and play em both side by side at the same time. You will NOT see a difference.

I am an avid PQ freak. I just returned a few 46" 1080p HDTV's and ended up going with a larger 50" 720p instead. I sit 6 feet away from the screen. The larger LOWER resolution 50" actually had a far superior picture in every detail and the picture was razor sharp.

How can this be? Sitting at only 6 feet away I went from a higher res. 1080p 46" to a slightly larger 50" with a lower resolution.

Resolution isn't everything.

Aaron, he can't post a link to anything, he has been banned.

banned? why?

Suspended actually...
Childish name calling doesn't fly here.

sounds like he got what he deserved.


it's too easy to have a debate and still respect one another.

Suspended actually...
Childish name calling doesn't fly here.

Ah, suspended is what its called here. Other sites I am a member at use "temp ban" as the term, so my bad.

Didn't mean to imply it was permanent.

Yes it's odd how I can read all the lines from an HD test pattern with a 37" 1080P monitor at 5 feet but even at 2 feet on a 32" 768P monitor I can't read them.
I also have 20/20 vision thanks to LASIK. I don't know if that makes a difference but after dealing with HD sets since 2001, I can see the difference assuming the source has the detail to begin with. Like the Chicken little BD. You can see more detail at 1080P than with 720P.
Also post a link for this proven fact that you can't tell the difference between a 37" 1080P set and a 37"720P set at 5 feet viewing distance. I'd like to read it. Maybe I can offer my services to who ever came up with the erroneous info.
That wouldbe like saying that everyone can't hear a difference between certain things. Most people might not be able to but some people can. Just like some people can see better than other people or notice things other people don't notice.
Here is one source for the perceived resolution discussion:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hitech/1137/maxing-out-resolution.html

Another source (counterpoint actually)
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/feature-article-1080p-3-2007-part-5.html

The resolution benefit is clear when the source is 1080p; however unless your source material is highly 1080p-rich, that benefit may not outweigh the cost. Said another way, if the intent is to be future-proof, there will always be better and cheaper 1080p displays on the way, why not opt for a large, 1360x768 device now and wait til the tech matures?

why not opt for a large, 1360x768 device now and wait til the tech matures?


cause some games suffer at non-ATSC resolutions via the 360 over vga?


j/k though, you make a pretty valid argument. but my 1080p lcd is plenty mature for me, especially at 7XX.XX i paid for it (shipped)