Some guy on the Blu board claims he has inside information.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=825463&page=1&pp=30

The News:

"The Lord of the Rings Trilogy will be released on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD on November 23, 2007.

Here is the interesting part:

As a gesture of good faith over the Matrix release, New Line/WB will be releasing only the Extended Editions on Blu-ray at this time, while HD-DVD will get only the Theatrical Versions.

The Blu-ray version will be on a BD50 in VC-1 with PCM!! It will also showcase a lot of the neat features of BD-J.

~Josh"

I'm going to have to call BS on that "gesture of good faith" tidbit. Just another BR fanatic coming up with fantasy scenarios.

There is no way this would happen. No way in hell. It makes zero sense no matter how you look at it.

BeatBoy's source is the ghostly voice from the bottom of the well. :rolleyes:

Some guy on the Blu board claims he has inside information.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=825463&page=1&pp=30

The News:

"The Lord of the Rings Trilogy will be released on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD on November 23, 2007.

Here is the interesting part:

As a gesture of good faith over the Matrix release, New Line/WB will be releasing only the Extended Editions on Blu-ray at this time, while HD-DVD will get only the Theatrical Versions.

The Blu-ray version will be on a BD50 in VC-1 with PCM!! It will also showcase a lot of the neat features of BD-J.

~Josh"

His source also had this to say about the Matrix coming out on HD-DVD before BD:


"As of now nothing has changed. WB still intends to release all future HD releases at the same time. I have heard nothing about this release on HD-DVD for May 22nd. I will let you know tomorrow if I hear anything."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10091136&&#post10091136

BeatBoy's source is the ghostly voice from the bottom of the well. :rolleyes:
I'll bet the water is blu in that well too.

Shouldn't warner be TotalHD by then?

this is why i'm glad i'm neutral...instead of attacking josh and going crazy over whether or not it's true, i can just get excited about it..feels good.

The News:

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy will be released on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD on November 23, 2007.

Here is the interesting part:

As a gesture of good faith over the Matrix release, New Line/WB will be releasing only the Extended Editions on Blu-ray at this time, while HD-DVD will get only the Theatrical Versions.

The Blu-ray version will be on a BD50 in VC-1 with PCM!! It will also showcase a lot of the neat features of BD-J.

~Josh

(Information Subject To Change Of Course)


It's extremely doubtful that they would release two different versions simutaneously.

So the statement below is what gives Joshy Beatboy the wiggle room he'll use when his statement is proven false when LOTR is released to both formats.

(Information Subject To Change Of Course)

It's extremely doubtful that they would release two different versions simutaneously.

So the statement below is what gives Joshy Beatboy the wiggle room he'll use when his statement is proven false when LOTR is released to both formats.

(Information Subject To Change Of Course)

Well, if the statement does prove false, Josh's credibility on this forum will be pretty much ruined anyway.

Well, if the statement does prove false, Josh's credibility on this forum will be pretty much ruined anyway.

Many of us don't need to wait to draw the proper conclusion.

this is why i'm glad i'm neutral...instead of attacking josh and going crazy over whether or not it's true, i can just get excited about it..feels good.

I'm format neutral as well but these types of rumours only fuel hysteria over there. Notice the way he worded is pronouncement as if HD DVD would be shortchanged by not having the extended version on the concurrent release (notice as well he doesn't state: wouldn't have the extended version...for now). Instead his assertion is truncated - an invitation for further acrimony.

If wrong he deserves the trashing. You give trash, you get it back. If he's right then his record will have improved to 1.5% right.

Seriously, nothing against Beatboy but if he didn't have inside info on The Matrix why would he have inside info on LOTR.
LOTR is bigger than the Matrix and release info on that in HD would be so closely guarded that leaking it early would have serious consequences to everyone involved, like getting fired and sued.
Would you leak this info so some big mouth could post it on a forum?
I thought so.

I think LOTR will be coming out in November and an official announcement will come soon, but I highly doubt BR will get some special super edition based on the Matrix HD DVD release because supposedly the Matrix will come out in the fall in BR.

I predict we will see a HD DVD release prior to blew ray. It is known that Warner prefers this format and I don't think LOTR will be an exception.

BeatBoy's source is the ghostly voice from the bottom of the well. :rolleyes:

Naw, it's from spinning all those Yoko albums backwards...

This rumor is just damage control from the Matrix announcement

Many of us don't need to wait to draw the proper conclusion.

True, but if he's wrong this time, I'm going to copy and past the OP from that thread every time I see him try to post any so called "credible information from inside sources" on this forum. He'll end up like Oshodi.

Do not tell me he just open a thread with this rumor!!

BeatBoy's source is the ghostly voice from the bottom of the well. :rolleyes:
:D :D :D

This from the same guy that said that Universal was going neutral CES 2007, and then when his own quote was copied to him, changed the date to CES 07.


It's like the Doctor who gave a patient 6 months to live; the patient couldn't come up with the money on time; so the Doctor gave him another 6 months. (Henny Youngman) :D

LOL! What a joke. There is NO WAY that would ever happen. LOL!

I don't know about this particular tid bit, but Beat has been "right on" a few times in the past telling of stuff he heard was coming and it was then later announced exactly as he said, so his track record is not entirely how people in this area would have you think it is :rolleyes:

LOL! What a joke. There is NO WAY that would ever happen. LOL!

if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first, people would have said the same thing

-Gary

I was told by someone over on the home theater forum last week that "expect HD DVD to have some mini celebrations for the format in the next few months & expect to hear news that will make you sick at your stomach."....so this could be true. :)

I don't know about this particular tid bit, but Beat has been "right on" a few times in the past telling of stuff he heard was coming and it was then later announced exactly as he said, so his track record is not entirely how people in this area would have you think it is :rolleyes:



if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first people would have said the same thing

-Gary

-Gary
Riiiiighttttttt.

I don't know about this particular tid bit, but Beat has been "right on" a few times in the past

Gary,

With all due respect, Oshodi was dead on many times but he was still a rumor mongerer. Beat is clearly partisan and clearly biased to the core. Note the glee in his pronouncement and the childish tone of the quote. Its a sad day when people think this is the what has become of AVS.

Even if he's right, it would still mean that HD DVD gets the movies and it won't make up for the fact BD still has no interactivity that Warner wants. BD will not get their movies until this is fixed. BD fans should hound Talk rather than Amir. They just don't get it.

I'd probably end up buying both anyway. I have both versions of each film on SD-DVD. :D

I was wondering how they would do the extended editions on hd-dvd, all of them are 3 1/2 - 4 hours long. On a 30GB disc with truehd they might have trouble fitting the EE without making them flippers like they were on DVD.

It's probably the only movies i can think of where the 50gb is actually something beneficial. 98% of other movies out there fit fine on 30gb.

I don't know about this particular tid bit, but Beat has been "right on" a few times in the past telling of stuff he heard was coming and it was then later announced exactly as he said, so his track record is not entirely how people in this area would have you think it is :rolleyes:



if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first, people would have said the same thing

-Gary
Whatever man. :rolleyes:

if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first, people would have said the same thing

-Gary
I don't know about that. Warner has a history of releasing the titles that include IME (and who didn't think the Matrix would have IME) on HD DVD first (with the BD version still MIA.) It's happened with every single title with IME - Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, Terminator 3, etc.

if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first, people would have said the same thing

-Gary
Not really seeing as how they know The Matrix will undoubtably be coming to BD with the same features as the HD DVD version once BD-Java is ready. How many WB HD titles have not been released on BD because of that same problem? Lots. But by having a neutral studio giving one format and not the other what is widely considered to be the better cuts of an insanely popular franchise is a joke.

Many of us don't need to wait to draw the proper conclusion.

Well look at post history should be enough, all he seems to do is sit in HD-DVD section and post Pro-BD information and HD-DVD FUD. He is also one of the biggest thread crappers I have seen next to maybe Thelion (or is it thedragon?). why he hasn't received a vacation is beyond me.

I bet Beatboy is laughing his a** off while he reads this thread, giving high-five to himself for starting all the turmoil over here...

I bet Beatboy is laughing his a** off while he reads this thread, giving high-five to himself for starting all the turmoil over here...


Yep, he's trying to take the focus off of HD DVD exclusive The Matrix.

Yep, he's trying to take the focus off of HD DVD exclusive The Matrix.

i wonder if he is buying the matrix ultimate box or trilogy.

I have a Prediction. Harry Potter Movies November 2006 on HD DVD. Because I believe everything I read. First I write it down, Then I read it! :eek:

If the person who posted that goofy rumor wanted to make it seem more legit, he should have given a better reason why HD DVD would not have the extended cuts. Instead, we get this, "As a gesture of good faith over the Matrix release..." LOL, really? So WB/New Line feels so bad that they have to delay the BD version of the Matrix because they can't handle it, HD DVD now has to be punished for being on top of things? Riiiiiight. So how come this is only happeing now and not with every other HD DVD exclusive WB film that BD doesn't have? It just makes no sense and the reasoning behind this "big news" is so clearly desperate and pathetic that you just have to laugh at it. LOL.

i wonder if he is buying the matrix ultimate box or trilogy.

Trilogy that way he can convince himself later this year to buy the Ultimate on BD.

That way he feels like he compromised with his duty to promote BD and his desire to see the Matrix the way it was meant to be seen.

I have a Prediction. Harry Potter Movies November 2007 on HD DVD. Because I believe everything I read. First I write it down, Then I read it! :eek:

I can actually promise that atleast one of those movies will be out late spring early summer. Why? because with HP5 coming out it would be retarded not to.

I am almost willing to bet on this. I mean I probably will have 100% accuracy on all of my Predictions.

Trilogy that way he can convince himself later this year to buy the Ultimate on BD.

That way he feels like he compromised with his duty to promote BD and his desire to see the Matrix the way it was meant to be seen.

did warner say they would release ultimate on bd? maybe they will just release trilogy on thd.

I don't know about this particular tid bit, but Beat has been "right on" a few times in the past telling of stuff he heard was coming and it was then later announced exactly as he said, so his track record is not entirely how people in this area would have you think it is :rolleyes:



if someone would have posted that Matrix would only be available on HD at first, people would have said the same thing

-GaryA FEW times is right and a LOT of times he's wrong. I hope he's right this time...I'm been waiting for the LOTR TRI to be announce for quite awhile now...lets see how this pans out. ;)

I don't know why he is still allowed to post on this forum? He is a viral marketer who only spreads false rumors to prop-up Blu Ray and degrade HD DVD.

Inaccurate-by-design rumors to create FUD, or in the case of this latest nonsense, to keep people interested in Blu Ray.

It's unfortunate that his rumor posts are allowed to float around here with no substantiation whatsoever, but that is exactly what’s happening.

Hey everyone, I have an insider source (who wishes to remain anonymous, but is VERY high ranking at FOX) and he tells me that they plan to go format neutral this August. As a gesture to make amends with the HD DVD side, FOX will exclusively release the Original Star Wars Trilogy on HD DVD in November of this year, while Blu Ray will get the CGI re-edits sometime early in 2008.

i wonder if he is buying the matrix ultimate box or trilogy.

I never thought about that. Could it possible be? Honestly?

My thoughts?: Every village needs an idiot. ;)

This would be great if New Line actually took full advantage of both the formats instead of doing their Lowest Common Denominator crap. Actually with audio it's worse than lowest common denominator with Warner, who owns New Line. If the BD side of these Total HD discs is gonna be 25 gigs, they simply can not do LOTR on them without making it look and sound like crap, because then the BD side will be the L.C.D. If this rumor is true I applaud New Line, but the cynic as well as the vulcan in me doesn't believe it.

typical replys I have grown to expect from this area, a person such as me that has been with HD-DVD since day one just so happens to enjoy films so much that they own Blu-Ray is given snide comment one after another, everyday, in every thread

grow up people, for real, I didn't say Beat was Elijah, I said he has been right before which puts him knowing more than we do

-Gary

Harry Potter also has IME listed for the UK versions, just like the Matrix did. So if they're planning to bring any titles out here, they'll most likely be HD DVD timed exclusive depending on when they release them and where BD-J standards are at the time.

8 months from release and he has inside info about Warner wanting to extend an olive branch to blu-ray because their BD-J software is impossible to use? Riiiggggghhhhttt. Highly doubt this will happen.

This is the most rediclious bs he has ever posted. And thats saying something.

Yesterday everyone was saying how crappy WB was because of the Matrix. Now all of a sudden, Warner Brothers are heroes and they want to kiss and make up with BR fans. And there willing to release two different cuts of the movies in the same country inorder to do that. Please..

I was wondering how they would do the extended editions on hd-dvd, all of them are 3 1/2 - 4 hours long. On a 30GB disc with truehd they might have trouble fitting the EE without making them flippers like they were on DVD.

It's probably the only movies i can think of where the 50gb is actually something beneficial. 98% of other movies out there fit fine on 30gb.


KK runs over 3 hours and takes up less than 12GB. I don't think Dolby TrueHD requires all that much extra space.

Are you sure? I thought it was almost maxing out the 30gbs..?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=750870

Just for the hell of it, I loaded up the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive on my MacBook with Vista beta installed to check out the sizes of my HD DVDs.



...The longest movie is King Kong at 3 hours and 8 minutes (27.4 GiB).

Are you sure? I thought it was almost maxing out the 30gbs..?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=750870


I do seem to recall Amir saying the the movie actually required only about 11-12GB when it was mastered in VC-1. I don't know how reliable those "disc movie size" figures from a Windows filesystem are.

Since they have the room, there's probably lots of extra detritus on there anyway.

Well, November 23rd 2007 is a Friday...DVDs normally are released on Tuesdays, although there IS a very occasional break from that norm, particularly since that is "Black Friday."

That's unreal. Is this HD war that important? I mean...would he actually make something like this up? Wow!

I do seem to recall Amir saying the the movie actually required only about 11-12GB when it was mastered in VC-1. I don't know how reliable those "disc movie size" figures from a Windows filesystem are.

Since they have the room, there's probably lots of extra detritus on there anyway.

That seems awfully small for a 3 hr. film.

As the ONLY guy on the face of the planet that would prefer the TR because I felt they were long enough and just about perfect as is (yes, I read the book - maybe thats why I don't mind), I don't care about this B*part of the rumor. :)

The release rumor/news could also be a result of Warner setting the example with The Matrix releases by saying 'enough already, you don't have to sit on your big guns.' :D

Let's start another rumor. Warners will release two versions at the same time similar to the Matrix. Seriously, I think Warner/New Line will wait to see how the Matrix sells and make an announcement sometime in the summer. I would not be surprised to see it released in two versions on each format at the same time.

It's clearly BS. He left the "subject to change" message, and everyone still believes him. What has he been right about before? I know he's been wrong about several things.

Since this thread pretty much suggests that everything is rumored and speculative, I would think that this LOTR rumor is pretty much the result of Fox pulling most of the earlier announced BD-titles, leaving the BD release line-up pretty thin. If you look at the latest news from HighDefDigest.com, you'd see that Fox's upcomin BD titles has been pretty much cleaned up from all the postponements, delays and pulling out. Maybe Fox has an increasing tendency/willingness to release on HD DVD?

I would believe that the other reason Warner announced Matrix on HD DVD first, may probably be due to Fox pulling most of their earlier announced BD-titles (seems like a show of no confidence in BD).

While Universal announced their HD DVD line-up much later, Universal still stuck to their 100 HD DVD titles promise (most of the May and June line-up are pretty much confirmed).

typical replys I have grown to expect from this area, a person such as me that has been with HD-DVD since day one just so happens to enjoy films so much that they own Blu-Ray is given snide comment one after another, everyday, in every thread

grow up people, for real, I didn't say Beat was Elijah, I said he has been right before which puts him knowing more than we do

-Gary

Gary, You really can't say that you haven't seen what Beat has been doing for the last couple months. I am the first person that would talk about a persons right to post. Beat is just about the one person I would be willing to take that away from. I mean seriously this guy has been pretty bad. I don't have issues with dual format owner (like yourself) I don't have issues with someone who thinks BD is better. I do have a problem with what Beatboy has been doing.

Well, if the statement does prove false, Josh's credibility on this forum will be pretty much ruined anyway.


What credibility? :confused:

It's probably the only movies i can think of where the 50gb is actually something beneficial.

There is probably only a couple of releases where the 30gig would seem like a limitiation, and then you can always make two discs. HD DVD has proven itself capable of EQUAL or SUPERIOR quality to Blu-ray on countless occasions. This is loigc.

But there is no logic in the format war, just propaganda. Half of the posts in the LOTR thread are bashing HD DVD. No reason, no purpose, just bashing for bashing's sake.

Thread-baiters know that all you need to do is throw a piece of garbage into the street, and the vermin will attack it with a vegeance.

*Irony mode ON*

If they put the HD-DVD version on 2 discs, we´ll have 60GB available!

That should SMOKE the 50GB BluRay version!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*Irony mode OFF*

I don't have a link but wasn't it Amir who said you could put 8 hours of HD on a 30G HD-DVD? Not sure how doing 8 hours effects pix quality, but even half that is enough for ROTK which runs about 3.75 hrs.

I *do* find it incredibly hypocritical that Oshodi was banned, yet beatboy77 is allowed to run amok creating pseudo-official announcements every other day.

So why don't we all start posting "official" news, since apparently there's no restriction on it?

Ok, I'll start:

"My grandma spoke with beatboy's babysitter and she said that her meth dealer heard that Star Wars is going to released next Tuesday on Blu-Ray and that all the Toshiba HD-DVD players in existance will spontaneously combust on April 1 (information subject to change of course)."

I *do* find it incredibly hypocritical that Oshodi was banned, yet beatboy77 is allowed to run amok creating pseudo-official announcements every other day.

So why don't we all start posting "official" news, since apparently there's no restriction on it?

Ok, I'll start:

"My grandma spoke with beatboy's babysitter and she said that her meth dealer heard that Star Wars is going to released next Tuesday on Blu-Ray and that all the Toshiba HD-DVD players in existance will spontaneously combust on April 1 (information subject to change of course)."

I've just spoken to a couple of shop assistants selling HD-DVD/BR discs here in HK. They both told me the same thing, Fox will go neutral around november :)
So there you go, BR is in trouble :)

Fox neutral, and Disney is going iPod Video exclusive.

(information subject to change, of course)

Some guy on the Blu board claims he has inside information.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=825463&page=1&pp=30

The News:

"The Lord of the Rings Trilogy will be released on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD on November 23, 2007.

Here is the interesting part:

As a gesture of good faith over the Matrix release, New Line/WB will be releasing only the Extended Editions on Blu-ray at this time, while HD-DVD will get only the Theatrical Versions.

The Blu-ray version will be on a BD50 in VC-1 with PCM!! It will also showcase a lot of the neat features of BD-J.

~Josh"
Oh that is absolutely ridiculous. :rolleyes:

"Gesture of good faith"? For what? The BDA being too stupid to mandate BD-J support? How is that WBs fault?

And since New Line has PUBLICLY STATED That LOTR will be a TotalHD release, how in any universe does it make sense that the 25GB BD side will be an hour longer than the 30GB HD DVD side?

Total nonsense. I wish you guys wouldn't fall for stupid stuff like this.

Jesus, I am w/ Gary...you guys are all making yourselfs look like 2nd grade idiots...every thread in HD DVD forum is full of Toshiba Kool Aid, almost more so than those drinking the Blu Aid over on the other forum...

Yes, he has been wrong in the past, but he has also been right...and while I may not agree with the reasoning (because of Matrix), some of the theories in that thread make sense...most notably concerning size constraints of HD DVD...I simply doubt these can be TOTAL HD discs. My hunch for the two diff versions is they simply cant provide the extended version with the features they plan on Blu Ray on HD DVD...it simply will not fit in all its glory... I too, may be wrong, but when you think about, it does make some sense.

Now, back to your flaming...

I beleive all these Lord of the Rings Rumor threads should be closed...FWIW Beatboy only started his BIG NEWS thread to insight combat...everyone knows his agenda. Until there is a official announcement the mods should take these threads and delete them all. And warn Beatboy enough is enough. Personally I can't wait to get these flicks...but I am NOT looking forward to all the bickering for months to come on just a rumor. :(

Jesus, I am w/ Gary...you guys are all making yourselfs look like 2nd grade idiots...every thread in HD DVD forum is full of Toshiba Kool Aid, almost more so than those drinking the Blu Aid over on the other forum...

Yes, he has been wrong in the past, but he has also been right...and while I may not agree with the reasoning (because of Matrix), some of the theories in that thread make sense...most notably concerning size constraints of HD DVD...I simply doubt these can be TOTAL HD discs. My hunch for the two diff versions is they simply cant provide the extended version with the features they plan on Blu Ray on HD DVD...it simply will not fit in all its glory... I too, may be wrong, but when you think about, it does make some sense.

Now, back to your flaming...

A broken clock is still right twice a day....

PS. speaking of 2nd grade grammar/spelling.. "yourselves" ;)

You know what...I hope this rumor is true. Maybe this will motivate them to make TL51 a reality fast!! I mean they have 8 months, it's possible.

Jesus, I am w/ Gary...you guys are all making yourselfs look like 2nd grade idiots...every thread in HD DVD forum is full of Toshiba Kool Aid, almost more so than those drinking the Blu Aid over on the other forum...

Yes, he has been wrong in the past, but he has also been right...and while I may not agree with the reasoning (because of Matrix), some of the theories in that thread make sense...most notably concerning size constraints of HD DVD...I simply doubt these can be TOTAL HD discs. My hunch for the two diff versions is they simply cant provide the extended version with the features they plan on Blu Ray on HD DVD...it simply will not fit in all its glory... I too, may be wrong, but when you think about, it does make some sense.

Now, back to your flaming...

No cool aid here. Oshodi was the exact same type of poster as Beatboy, and he was for HD-DVD. Speculation is one thing, but claiming to have an inside source, posting the information without a link, and sticking a phrase at the very bottom of the thread that says "info subject to change" is the epitome of a trolling, lying, deceitful, fanboy that only Oshodi and Beatboy could represent. I only hope Beatboy's claim is correct, because if it isn't, he will have no credibility and will hopefully be banned from this forum.

Pff. I hope it's true. I already have the extended versions on DVD and found them to be just far too long and not as easy to watch as the theatrical versions (which I have only seen on TV). I'm actually hoping the troublemaker is correct.

For "good of the format" reasons I can see why people want the longer versions, but..hey, I'm selfish.

Ok, I'll start:

"My grandma spoke with beatboy's babysitter and she said that her meth dealer heard that Star Wars is going to released next Tuesday on Blu-Ray and that all the Toshiba HD-DVD players in existance will spontaneously combust on April 1 (information subject to change of course)."

Now, THAT, is funny. :D

I *do* find it incredibly hypocritical that Oshodi was banned, yet beatboy77 is allowed to run amok creating pseudo-official announcements every other day.

So why don't we all start posting "official" news, since apparently there's no restriction on it?

Ok, I'll start:

"My grandma spoke with beatboy's babysitter and she said that her meth dealer heard that Star Wars is going to released next Tuesday on Blu-Ray and that all the Toshiba HD-DVD players in existance will spontaneously combust on April 1 (information subject to change of course)."

Oshodi personally threatened severl members of AVS as well as harrassing them via PM. He got what he deserved.

Why would NL release two versions of the films just to give an olive branch to BR? That doesn't make any sense. If Beatboy said that the movies were comming out first to BR because of them waiting for the TL disc from HDDVD, it would make more sense.

Oshodi personally threatened severl members of AVS as well as harrassing them via PM. He got what he deserved.
Is that what happened? I was wondering what happened to him. Crazy...

Is that what happened? I was wondering what happened to him. Crazy...

Yes it is. He was also caught in several lies but that isn't what got him banned.

Is that what happened? I was wondering what happened to him. Crazy...

I heards from an inside source that he was beat to death by employees of Sony for talking so much trash about the BDA.

(information subject to change) :) :rolleyes: :cool: :D

I heards from an inside source that he was beat to death by employees of Sony for talking so much trash about the BDA.

(information subject to change) :) :rolleyes: :cool: :D

lol, the Sony men went down to his used car lot and took him out for a "test drive" :cool: jk

AVS is not a rumor board

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