A featured segment on this norning's CNBC's financial show "Squawk Box" stated that the XBOX Elite has dealt a "Death Blow" to PS3.

A featured segment on this norning's CNBC's financial show "Squawk Box" stated that the XBOX Elite has dealt a "Death Blow" to PS3.

I disagree. Perhaps if it added something more than just hard drive space and HDMI (which the PS3 already has). If it included HDDVD built-in, then I the statement would have some merit.

lol, you mean coming from MSNBC news?? oh naws! No different then sony saying blu ray has won.

The ordinary xbox360 have hurted PS3 alot more then the Elite ever will. Mainly thanks to it got to the market a whole year earlier (thats its cheaper is a good thing to).

This is no death blow. It may p-off quite a few who bought the Pro and instead of buying the Elite, will now just get a PS3.

We may see alot of Pros for sale from here on out.


lol, you mean coming from MSNBC news?? oh naws! No different then sony saying blu ray has won.

:D :D That's a good way to look at it! This really means nothing coming from them.

i think this thing would acutally sell well if it came with wireless and cost 399bux or less. xbox360 is over a year old now, surely componet prices has gone down enough and manufactoring prices gone down also to pass the savings on to the customers. 480 is fair if it came with a hddvd drive, but with just 120gigs and hdmi the ps3 20gigs is more of a bargain.

i think this thing would acutally sell well if it came with wireless and cost 399bux or less. xbox360 is over a year old now, surely componet prices has gone down enough and manufactoring prices gone down also to pass the savings on to the customers. 480 is fair if it came with a hddvd drive, but with just 120gigs and hdmi the ps3 20gigs is more of a bargain.
Good luck ever trying to find the 'discontinued' 20GB PS3. The entry level just went up $100 for most folks.

lol, you mean coming from MSNBC news?? oh naws! No different then sony saying blu ray has won.
True. It's no suprised that NBC would say that, BUT it does put serious pressure on anyone considering a PS3. The XBox 360 has better online features, more games, better games, is less expensive (relatively few PS3 buyers really want Blu-ray), and the high-definition drive is an option. I've read that MS is lowering the price of the HD DVD add-on to $130, don't know if that's true, but if it is then we'd have ourselves a real winning combination.

I do not quite understand this model. Increasing the cost to add some more HD space and a DVI connection makes no sense, especially with no HD DVD drive. I mean you buy this and the add-on and it now runs you $679!!! Had it included the HD-DVD drive yes it would have been a nice blow but this config will do nothing for them IMO. I have a 360 already so no need to upgrade here.

Isn't the Wii more of a death blow? ;)

There is no compelling reason for me to upgrade. However, I'm sure those who have a need for HDMI and the extra HD space will.

Of course, there's IPTV that might convert me down the road but that seems to be many, many months away.

I disagree. Perhaps if it added something more than just hard drive space and HDMI (which the PS3 already has). If it included HDDVD built-in, then I the statement would have some merit.


Deathblow as a game console. The PS3 will probably still survive as a BD player...MSFT won't mind Sony subsidizing a BD Movie player at all ;)

My take!

Folks, its not a death blow, does not help, but no death blow.

What I think we have here is Sony will just find itself in 3rd place, a position it is not used to, nor comfortable with. It has to catch up to the 360 in terms of sales, then surpass it? no way.

I guess they gambled on the BD player. Looks like they are heading to a record of 1-1 with the PS3. It was an interesting gamble, with mixed results.

As the politicos like to say

HD=Leaning heavy Blu Ray
Gaming=Leaning heavy 360

So, split decision in my view. But I gotta say, I own both a 360 and a PS3, so its good to be a geek!

Unless you have top-o-the-line everything....this console may not appeal to too many people. As for the movie playing issue....MS has ALWAYS stood by the notion that if people want to enjoy hi-def movies....they have the OPTION to buy the add-on. Furthermore.....the white consoles are due for a price drop soon sooo....I think in the end...they are just giving people more options to enjoy gaming and home theater. Nothing more....nothing less.

If it has HDMI, does that mean that the hd-dvd add on would be able to output True-HD over the hdmi connection?

nothing wrong with the elite 360 other then being over priced. I already have a 360 so it doesn't matter but seems kinda bad way of doing business. Typically game systems are reduced in price with more features not more expensive. Besides with 480dollar price, i know MS could have sold it with the hddvd.

If it has HDMI, does that mean that the hd-dvd add on would be able to output True-HD over the hdmi connection?

Not sure, trying to get Amir, or someone with knowledge on this to answer. I think another thread is talking about this.

Not sure, trying to get Amir, or someone with knowledge on this to answer. I think another thread is talking about this.

Unfortunately no. HDMI Audio will be 2ch PCM or AC-3/DTS (DTS with updated HD-DVD software). Not even 5.1 PCM is supported.

why bother with pcm audio, i mean arn't hddvd players gonan be 200bux end of the year or so you guys say.

DeathBlow would make an awesome name for a game console. But the Elite is not that. If the price cut the Premium like I am thinking they might today, then that will have an effect.

The biggest death blow to the PoS3 is Sony itself. It lacks the games and it lacks the price for MASS market appeal. I know there are plenty of arguments that what you are getting at that price is a bargain but all of the people out there who fill up the numbers of sales don't see it that way. They see $600 and go and look at something else. Once Nintendo gets everything together with making the Wii in more numbers then it really will be on.

I do not quite understand this model. Increasing the cost to add some more HD space and a DVI connection makes no sense, especially with no HD DVD drive. I mean you buy this and the add-on and it now runs you $679!!! Had it included the HD-DVD drive yes it would have been a nice blow but this config will do nothing for them IMO. I have a 360 already so no need to upgrade here.

There is a rumor in another thread the HD DVD addon is dropping to $130, fwiw which makes it basically the same price as the 60 GIG PS3.

ps3 is dropping 100bux for holiday season also.

^Which is 8 months away? Good to hear though.

ps3 is dropping 100bux for holiday season also.

and i'm sure MS will have a price drop for the 360 as well, so that really won't give them any kind of edge.

with metal gear 4 and final fantasy 13 releasing this holiday with strength of playstation name brand i think it'll give them the edge.

ps3 is dropping 100bux for holiday season also.

Isn't that also just another rumor? I've seen plenty of articles saying that there won't be any price cuts until 2008 or 2009. Only time will really tell.

Good luck ever trying to find the 'discontinued' 20GB PS3. The entry level just went up $100 for most folks.


True. It's no suprised that NBC would say that, BUT it does put serious pressure on anyone considering a PS3. The XBox 360 has better online features, more games, better games, is less expensive (relatively few PS3 buyers really want Blu-ray), and the high-definition drive is an option. I've read that MS is lowering the price of the HD DVD add-on to $130, don't know if that's true, but if it is then we'd have ourselves a real winning combination.

Actually, I disagree if anything it will cause quite a few consumers to look at the PS3 even more now. Let's see I get the xbox360 with 120G and HDMI for 480 but I can get the PS3 with wireless, card reader, HDMI and Bu-ray for $20-100 more. Granted Xbox Live is great, but you also pay for it and they do have better games, but so will the PS3. I think this box actually helps the PS3 more than it hurts.

Hardly a death blow. If they would have included an HD DVD drive into that configuration for that price then I might agree with that statement.

Add to the fact that the 120 HDD is NOT included in the Elite Box....

Add to the fact that the 120 HDD is NOT included in the Elite Box....


Um, yes it is. That's the whole point of calling it Elite along with the HDMI option.

If anything, it makes the PS3 more attractrive, as the price point has now gone up and you still need to add things like wireless ($100) and if you desire hidef movies, $200 more....so now you are possibly at $779 for an equivalent system to the PS3...

However, you do get the better current library of games on the XBOX...

More like a tickle than a death blow IMHO...

PS3 as a game console has been on life support since the start - and will be for at least this year. The only thing Microsoft has done is added several more overpriced items. I have been waiting for a 360 price drop and this Elite crap has got me thinking about skipping a 360 altogether. This winter they will come out with a 360 Ultimate with like DVR and all that crap and piss more people off.

Microsoft dropped the ball, offering a new console for the same price as a PS3 with no HD drive and less features...>WTF???

PS3 as a game console has been on life support since the start - and will be for at least this year.

how do you figure?? its sold more then 360 since launch same time. Lets me honest here, 360 didn't have any real decent games till summer and Gears until the winter.

I will add, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

As from what I have heard, the current 20GB, $399 model will eventually fade away, meaning $299 and $479 are your new pricepoints. Kind of a gamble.

Further, MS is banking heavily on downloaded movies/tv, as 120 GB is certainly not needed for gaming - 20GB was plenty. Kind of goes against HD DVD or Blu Ray. Also likely why they did not make it an HD DVD drive. They want you paying $5 on XBOX Live for HD Movies, not on optical media they make little on.

MS has been right in the past, but most would desire this system for HDMI primarily and not sure they needed to jack the price up to accomplish that. 120 GB is a lot of space of Halo 3 game saves....

My opinion, at $399 for this system, it would have damaged Sony, at $479, I think it helps them. If the PS3 came down to $499 for the pemium model (which is nothing more than rumour at this point), I think MS has a real threat on their hands.

As from what I have heard, the current 20GB, $399 model will eventually fade away, meaning $299 and $479 are your new pricepoints. Kind of a gamble.

This is a ridiculous speculation. Makes no sense whatsoever to retire the best selling SKU. I guess you lend your ear to all kinds of gossip ;)

Further, MS is banking heavily on downloaded movies/tv, as 120 GB is certainly not needed for gaming - 20GB was plenty. Kind of goes against HD DVD or Blu Ray.

There are different market segments that want HD movie downloads and HD opticals. You need to cover both.

Also likely why they did not make it an HD DVD drive. They want you paying $5 on XBOX Live for HD Movies, not on optical media they make little on.

You don't need Live gold subscription to download movies (AFAIK).

how do you figure?? its sold more then 360 since launch same time.

But 360 was supply constrained ...

lol, you mean coming from MSNBC news?? oh naws! No different then sony saying blu ray has won.
Then you readily admit: "Sony saying Blu-ray has won" has absolutely no merit whatsoever. :D

That's a good way to look at it! This really means nothing coming from them.
It means something to the people who watch/read "MSNBC". :p

Death blow, not quite yet...but check, yes. And mate...soon to come.

This is a BIG BLOW to the BDA!

First hardware side, HD DVD standalones are destroying BR, the only saving grace that BR had was the almighty PS3, a game console that has a built in BR player. With this baby the BDA sought to hijack the HD war...but not so fast.

Msoft from the beginning have stuck to their guns that they did not BELIEVE IN SHOVING AN HD DVD PLAYER DOWN THEIR CUSTOMER'S THROATS, like Sony did with BR, but would rather give their customers an option...play games on our game machine, or for $139 add an HD DVD player and watch HD movies on it.
If you are not an HD movie fan, by all means still buy our gamer and save yourself the extra cost of HAVING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED! ;)

This is the biggest blow to Sony, they are being attacked on every front, with as much strategy as a seasoned veteran like Msoft is capable of. :D

PS3 20G is $499. The 120G Xbox is less at merely $475, while the higher end PS3 is only 60G. :eek:
Even Stevie Wonder can see that Sony is now stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Now HD DVD just announced confirmed releases of 70 movies between now and July 2007!!!

Credibility is everything. Sony announced that they had won...usually in a war when one side says "war is over", and the other side yells ATTACK!!!...That side usually wins. :D


Very soon, we might be able to declare: CHECK, AND MATE!!! ;)

Death blow, not quite yet...but check, yes. And mate...soon to come.

This is a BIG BLOW to the BDA!

First hardware side, HD DVD standalones are destroying BR, the only saving grace that BR had was the almighty PS3, a game console that has a built in BR player. With this baby the BDA sought to hijack the HD war...but not so fast.

Msoft from the beginning have stuck to their guns that they did not BELIEVE IN SHOVING AN HD DVD PLAYER DOWN THEIR CUSTOMER'S THROATS, like Sony did with BR, but would rather give their customers an option...play games on our game machine, or for $139 add an HD DVD player and watch HD movies on it.
If you are not an HD movie fan, by all means still buy our gamer and save yourself the extra cost of HAVING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED! ;)

This is the biggest blow to Sony, they are being attacked on every front, with as much strategy as a seasoned veteran like Msoft is capable of. :D

PS3 20G is $499. The 120G Xbox is less at merely $475, while the higher end PS3 is only 60G. :eek:
Even Stevie Wonder can see that Sony is now stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Now HD DVD just announced confirmed releases of 70 movies between now and July 2007!!!

Credibility is everything. Sony announced that they had won...usually in a war when one side says "war is over", and the other side yells ATTACK!!!...That side usually wins. :D


Very soon, we might be able to declare: CHECK, AND MATE!!! ;)

Huh? you might want to check this out:

360 Elite validates Sony's hi-def focus – analyst (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23840)

If anything, by having the Blu-Ray add on, it almost just kills HD-DVD

hardly, 480+200= stupid expensive. BTW remember game players don't watch movies?? lol Sure A2 is on top 10 at amazon, but how many is that a day?? 20? noone knows. 600,000 ps3 sold in one weekend in europe, effectively destroying what 20k or so hddvds installed in europe. In japan, bluray dominates. This war is far from over.

Halo3 will be the deathblow to PS3. ;)

Halo3 will be the deathblow to PS3. ;)

yup, just like Halo:CE and Halo 2 gave PS2 the deathblow. Poor Sony :(

Huh? you might want to check this out:

360 Elite validates Sony's hi-def focus – analyst (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23840)

If anything, by having the Blu-Ray add on, it almost just kills HD-DVD
Nothing more than spin and speculation, sorry. :p

Michael Pachter is a Wedbush Morgan analyst.
He doesn't work for Msoft.

Sony fans can spin it anyway you like...truth is, Sony is on the ropes...and trust me he is not Muhammed Ali. :D

Plasmalover,

If anything, by having the Blu-Ray add on, it almost just kills HD-DVD

Where in the article does it say a BD drive was announced?

The only thing about a BD add on was this -

Ultimately, Microsoft will likely offer a Blu-ray drive with the 360 Elite, and I think consumers will be able to select based solely upon other drivers."

Which is nothing more than an Analysts speculation that at some point in the future, MS would likely offer one.

As to analysts, well, you might want to talk to all the Enron employees and the whole Dot.com bubble.

Also, has the price of this been confirmed? All that their seems to be is the report on Endgadget. Has MS announced pricing.

Unfortunately no. HDMI Audio will be 2ch PCM or AC-3/DTS (DTS with updated HD-DVD software). Not even 5.1 PCM is supported.


If this is true, the elite is craptastic. MSFT completely missed 1/2 of the point of people here wanting HDMI, if not more.

No HDMI to begin with was a design flaw, IMHO. Now, it's just laughably silly.

yup, just like Halo:CE and Halo 2 gave PS2 the deathblow. Poor Sony :(

Cant even compare those. PS2 had a huge base over Xbox at that time.

That said, I was attempting to be droll with my comment. I think the PS3 will be around a long while.

I just wish they would come out with a freaking game that I want.

I have both the PS3 and 360. I watch bluray movies on my PS3 and play video games on my 360.

Cant even compare those. PS2 had a huge base over Xbox at that time.

That said, I was attempting to be droll with my comment. I think the PS3 will be around a long while.

I just wish they would come out with a freaking game that I want.

I have both the PS3 and 360. I watch bluray movies on my PS3 and play video games on my 360.


I was just playing. These threads get more entertaining by the hour.

I'm fortunate enough to have both as well. If you ever play GRAW 2 hit me up "goatmother"

Cheers :)

games don't require HDMI since they are all 720p. seems to me the people who really want HDMI also want to watch hd dvd movies, so it makes no sense to me why the drive isn't going to be built in.

games don't require HDMI since they are all 720p. seems to me the people who really want HDMI also want to watch hd dvd movies, so it makes no sense to me why the drive isn't going to be built in.

I thought some games were 1080i??

There are some 1080p games now, Virtua Tennis 3 and I think a couple others.

I just want a lossless audio solution for my CURRENT model 360.

This thread is in the wrong place unless it's concerning the HD DVD add on. It should be under the xbox section. Take your propaganda somewhere else.

moved to gaming

moved to gaming
And closed...

Kyser