DigitalAudioVideo is the first to get Dog Day Afternoon HD DVD reviewed...

http://www.hddb.net/reviews/695

"The HD-DVD is presented in 1.85:1 widescreen and encoded at 1080p. This is a great example of how high definition can improve upon the films of the past, while keeping them true to their original look and feel. This is still a very 70's movie, visually. There is still film grain, but its been lessened in the areas where it caused problems with the picture. Colors are stronger, and overall detail has definitely been improved. Audio is Dolby Digital Plus 1.0 mono, and its what you'd expect."

Dog Day Afternoon (http://www.digitalaudiovideo.com/hddvd_reviews_14565.htm)

The good thing about being a younger guy and owning HD-DVD is that there are so many films I'm able to experience for the first time on the format, and as we all know HD-DVD makes an excellent first impression. Mutiny on the Bounty, Grand Prix, The Searchers, Blazing Saddle etc etc etc. And here's another one. Watching remastered older movies in HD is definitely my favorite thing about this format.

Agree Capek. Except for The Dirty Dozen (which didn't look substantially different than the DVD version for my blood) the old movies on HD-DVD have been resurrected and made even more enjoyable by virtue of their improved appearance. If only Warner released Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind and Wizard of Oz in HD I'd be in classic cinema heaven!

Agree Capek. Except for The Dirty Dozen (which didn't look substantially different than the DVD version for my blood) the old movies on HD-DVD have been resurrected and made even more enjoyable by virtue of their improved appearance. If only Warner released Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind and Wizard of Oz in HD I'd be in classic cinema heaven!


Wizard of Oz is being released in France this fall.

This is an excellent film

Is there any chance we could get "The Quiet Man" with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara in HD-DVD?, I love that movie

The good thing about being a younger guy and owning HD-DVD is that there are so many films I'm able to experience for the first time on the format, and as we all know HD-DVD makes an excellent first impression. Mutiny on the Bounty, Grand Prix, The Searchers, Blazing Saddle etc etc etc. And here's another one. Watching remastered older movies in HD is definitely my favorite thing about this format.

Absolutely agree. For me it's a greater experience in enjoyment than looking at some of the newest releases.

Absolutely agree. For me it's a greater experience in enjoyment than looking at some of the newest releases.

Shhhhh, BD zealots will tell you "Only new blockbusters count" :rolleyes:

Me, I got my PS3 and HDDVD player, and I get it all!

DigitalAudioVideo is the first to get Dog Day Afternoon HD DVD reviewed...

http://www.hddb.net/reviews/695

Sonny isn't gay.

What a moron.

Sonny isn't gay.

What a moron.
wait... what? are you joking?

wait... what? are you joking?

uhh...no.

DigitalAudioVideo is the first to get Dog Day Afternoon HD DVD reviewed...

http://www.hddb.net/reviews/695
Here's his entire PQ review:
"There is still film grain, but its been lessened in the areas where it caused problems with the picture. Colors are stronger, and overall detail has definitely been improved. "

...............Gee, thanks. :rolleyes:

Sonny isn't gay.

What a moron.
He's bi. I'm assuming that's what you meant?

uhh...no.
did you even WATCH the movie? he's paying for his gay lovers sex change. That's WHY they rob the bank.

It's not even like it's handled as an undertone. It's pretty blatantly stated... you sure you're not thinking of a different movie?

EDIT for Fettastic... maybe that's what he meant, but he seemed to be denying he had homosexual relations, which is a major plot-point of the movie.

The good thing about being a younger guy and owning HD-DVD is that there are so many films I'm able to experience for the first time on the format, and as we all know HD-DVD makes an excellent first impression. Mutiny on the Bounty, Grand Prix, The Searchers, Blazing Saddle etc etc etc. And here's another one. Watching remastered older movies in HD is definitely my favorite thing about this format.
What??? :eek:

You mean all you young whippersnappers aren't just panting for the latest mindless but pretty CGI fest?? :rolleyes:

He has a female wife, but she could have been more of a friend. Hard to quantify things like this, but Sonny definitely is in a gay relationship with Chris Sarandon's character.

Is there any chance we could get "The Quiet Man" with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara in HD-DVD?, I love that movie
One of my wife's favorite films, and every darn release has so far looked like crap!
Clean it up and it could kick butt in HD-DVD! :)

did you even WATCH the movie? he's paying for his gay lovers sex change. That's WHY they rob the bank.

It's not even like it's handled as an undertone. It's pretty blatantly stated... you sure you're not thinking of a different movie?

EDIT for Fettastic... maybe that's what he meant, but he seemed to be denying he had homosexual relations, which is a major plot-point of the movie.

No.

Gay people aren't interested in transsexuals. The last thing a gay man wants is anything feminine.
A transsexual is what he was in a relationship with. In fact, I would assume that they didn't femme up Chris Sarandon even more for fear of freaking people out. He doesn't look anywhere near ready to have a sex-change.
At most, he's bisexual.

No.

Gay people aren't interested in transsexuals.
A transsexual is what he was in a relationship with.
At most, he's bisexual.
Well he wasn't a transexual YET. You're parsing pubic hairs here. Dude was gay.

Well he wasn't a transexual YET. You're parsing pubic hairs here. Dude was gay.

Actually, transsexuals are what they are. Ask anyone who has dealt with them. You don't really "become" one just like a gay person doesn't BECOME gay.

Dude wasn't gay.

And I'm going to assume from your posts that I know a little more on the subject than you do.

...pretty pointless review, but I couldn't agree more (or often enough) that it's films like this that make me happy to have HD/BD... CGI and digital intermediates -should- have amazing PQ, and "3D-like" is an adjective that doesn't need to apply - give me "film-like" or "true to the intentions of the director/DOP" and I'm ecstatic...

I'll concede the point, but this is beyond teetering on pedantic.

He's, as Fett's post said, currently (at the time of the movie), in a gay relationship with his lover.

We can only assume there is no physical relationship with his ex-wife, and sure his boyfriend has the intention of getting a sex change, but at that time he hasn't yet.

So yes in the grand scheme of things he was bi-sexual, but to say he was a gay character in the context of the movie, IMO, is not at all wrong.

I'll concede the point, but this is beyond teetering on pedantic.

He's, as Fett's post said, currently (at the time of the movie), in a gay relationship with his lover.

We can only assume there is no physical relationship with his ex-wife, and sure his boyfriend has the intention of getting a sex change, but at that time he hasn't yet.

So yes in the grand scheme of things he was bi-sexual, but to say he was a gay character in the context of the movie, IMO, is not at all wrong.

but...it is. He's not in a relationship with someone who is all male. If they portrayed him as more masculine (or completely as a man, which I remember them doing), then that is wrong. he wasn't gay and he wasn't in a gay relationship.

OK, this will be my last post regardless, because this is about the review and not the movie itself.

But you still seem to be splitting hairs. You're treating their mental image as reality instead of their physical attributes. Unless I'm remembering wrong, both Sonny and his boyfriend were still 100% men in the movie, this was for a prospective sex change operation, not one that already took place.

That makes it a gay relationship because physically they were both men. We're really getting way to into this too if you ask me because as important as a plot point as it was, it wasn't the entirety of the movie.

It's a great piece of film, let's agree on that and be done with it.

Agree Capek. Except for The Dirty Dozen (which didn't look substantially different than the DVD version for my blood) the old movies on HD-DVD have been resurrected and made even more enjoyable by virtue of their improved appearance. If only Warner released Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind and Wizard of Oz in HD I'd be in classic cinema heaven!
Wizard of Oz in HD! :eek: Man that would be cool!

Wizard of Oz in HD! :eek: Man that would be cool!

There aren't enough plusses in the world to show my agreement with that statement. It's just such an overtly colorful and visceral movie. It's be amazing in HD.

Wizard of Oz in HD! :eek: Man that would be cool!
Potentially beyond cool.

Actually, transsexuals are what they are. Ask anyone who has dealt with them. You don't really "become" one just like a gay person doesn't BECOME gay.

Dude wasn't gay.

And I'm going to assume from your posts that I know a little more on the subject than you do.
No I don't want your Priscilla Queen of the desert story, not that there's anything wrong with that of course.

One man in love with another man is considered gay. That's just the way the world works. Your argument isn't with any of us, it's with life on this planet. I'm not here to defend life on this planet, I'm just describing it to you.

but...it is. He's not in a relationship with someone who is all male. If they portrayed him as more masculine (or completely as a man, which I remember them doing), then that is wrong. he wasn't gay and he wasn't in a gay relationship.
For the life of me I don't know why you are so intent on going down this road. Since when does degree of masculinity define how gay someone is? If you have a penis and you have sex with other people who also have penises.......YOU'RE GAY! This is a revelation to you? :confused:

For the life of me I don't know why you are so intent on going down this road. Since when does degree of masculinity define how gay someone is? If you have a penis and you have sex with other people who also have penises.......YOU'RE GAY! This is a revelation to you? :confused:

Newsflash:
There's a very large grey area in there.

I could have sex with a woman tomorrow and the next day and the next...

Won't make me straight.

I was merely pointing out that not only was the review stupid and childish, it was also inaccurate. I have never heard the real person OR the character in the movie ever described as gay. He's always been bi.

Ok, I guess I should amend that to "If you are sexually attracted to someone of the same sex, you are gay".

Is that better?

Ok, I guess I should amend that to "If you are sexually attracted to someone of the same sex, you are gay".

Is that better?
No.
You may still be bi.
Do I need to draw you a diagram?

Agree Capek. Except for The Dirty Dozen (which didn't look substantially different than the DVD version for my blood) the old movies on HD-DVD have been resurrected and made even more enjoyable by virtue of their improved appearance. If only Warner released Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind and Wizard of Oz in HD I'd be in classic cinema heaven!

That's the crazy thing about this game. My opinion is that the HD DVD Dirty Dozen release looks excellent (nicely 3D and detailed) starting at the point where the "dozen" are in the prison yard for inspection (much weaker sense of depth for the couple scenes preceding that one). I love that HD DVD :).

It just doesn't seem like one person's evaluation is any reliable indicator of how another will respond -- probably associated with all the equipment differences out there (and perhaps expectation differences play a role also).

Potentially beyond cool.

TNT HD had it on last year. If it looks that good (and I bet it ends up looking better) we are in for a real treat. :)

Art

Art!
For Godsakes stay on topic!
This thread isn't about Dog day Afternoon, it's about gay and trans-sexual definitions.
Jeez. :)

I never delved to deeply into the gay/transsexual dynamic of the relationship (LOL). I guess all I can add to the discussion is that I think it's a great film and deserving of its status as an American classic. Definite must buy.

Hey, was that Lance Henrickson?

I dvr'd it off INHD last year and it looked very good. COMCAST...
Now of course people will complain about film grain and 3-d pop when it gets released no doubt....

The good thing about being a younger guy and owning HD-DVD is that there are so many films I'm able to experience for the first time on the format, and as we all know HD-DVD makes an excellent first impression. Mutiny on the Bounty, Grand Prix, The Searchers, Blazing Saddle etc etc etc. And here's another one. Watching remastered older movies in HD is definitely my favorite thing about this format. I have had tears well up in my eyes seeing some of my favorite films presented in HD DVD and projected on my wall sized screen in my modest home theater.

A HD XA2, a modest HC3000 720p front projector and a 110 DIY DW laminate screen have made some of my favorite movies look amazing.

I love this stuff. I can't believe this technology is affordable to me.

I can't wait to see this movie in HD DVD.

I never delved to deeply into the gay/transsexual dynamic of the relationship (LOL). I guess all I can add to the discussion is that I think it's a great film and deserving of its status as an American classic. Definite must buy.

Hey, was that Lance Henrickson? The film also has to be seen in the 1970's dynamics of what mainstream thought gay culture was.

The whole plot point of the gender relationship issues (neutral enough ;) ) was that Sonny was under stress, emotionally confused and a bit desperate wnough to take a chance on the bank robbery.

He was smart enough to know it was risky, and may under different circumstances may have though better of it, but the totality of all his relationship with his wife and his other "wife" lead him to take the risk.

Good guy overall, bad decision and a circumstance that spiraled out of control on that one "Dog Day Afternoon".

what a great movie.

It was Lance.

Somtimes one must keep in mind there is a difference between sex and gender and that difference might be making this topic more confusing. Sexuality is more fluid then most people come to think of. A man can have sex with another man, who wants to be a female, and not be considered "gay". Definitely ordering this title as I to love to discover new older classic movies on HD DVD.

Somtimes one must keep in mind there is a difference between sex and gender and that difference might be making this topic more confusing. Sexuality is more fluid then most people come to think of. A man can have sex with another man, who wants to be a female, and not be considered "gay". Definitely ordering this title as I to love to discover new older classic movies on HD DVD.

*applause*

No.

Gay people aren't interested in transsexuals. The last thing a gay man wants is anything feminine.
A transsexual is what he was in a relationship with. In fact, I would assume that they didn't femme up Chris Sarandon even more for fear of freaking people out. He doesn't look anywhere near ready to have a sex-change.
At most, he's bisexual.


Are you gay? You seem to know more about what gay people are thinking than others in this thread.

Newsflash:
There's a very large grey area in there.

I could have sex with a woman tomorrow and the next day and the next...

Won't make me straight.

I was merely pointing out that not only was the review stupid and childish, it was also inaccurate. I have never heard the real person OR the character in the movie ever described as gay. He's always been bi.


I think you just answered my question here.

please close this thread-its becoming a pain in the a**-LOL