View Full Version : Frustrated HD1000U user
GraveLayer 03-30-07, 10:52 AM First off the HD1000U picture is absolutely great. I'm using a DW 100" screen. Everything worked GREAT for the 1st 8 weeks but now I have a problem.
I have:
Dish Network 622 HD unit
Sony HT-DDW900 receiver
Phillips upconverting DVD player
HD1000U
Everything connected via HDMI. The cable from the PJ to the Receiver is heavy duty and 35'.
Starting last weekend I got "No Signal". The only way to get a picture was to hard boot the 622 Unit and then the picture would come back up (but not at 720p as it was but now 1080i).
Dish Network willing sent me a new box with no questions asked. The new box is doing the same thing and now my picture is at 480p.
The DVD player gives me a picture (480p) but when I hit the up convert button I get a "Video source is non- HDCP compliant" message across the screen.
I connected the PJ directly to the DVD unit and get the same issue.
I have a new HP laptop that also as HDMI and I had connected it to the PJ to play games with a separate 10' HDMI cable. Games were great! That also quit working! I can no longer get a signal on the PJ when I connect it to my laptop.
I've already talked to Mitsubishi on the matter and they want me to send the PJ in. (72 hour turn around)
Thing is I'm not sure that it is the projector and don't want it coming back a week later only to find out I have the same problems!
I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on addional cables (component or another HDMI) but maybe I should?
Thought please!
JosephShaw 03-30-07, 11:10 AM I've already talked to Mitsubishi on the matter and they want me to send the PJ in. (72 hour turn around)
Thing is I'm not sure that it is the projector and don't want it coming back a week later only to find out I have the same problems!
I really don't want to spend a bunch of money on addional cables (component or another HDMI) but maybe I should?
Thought please!
I think you're stuck doing one or the other. Me, I'd do both.
StormyQ 03-30-07, 11:22 AM Did you use the same HDMI cable with your laptop as you did with the Dish receiver? If so, I would definitely buy a new one just to rule the cable out. Monoprice has quality cables for great prices so it would be worth a shot. Or buy one in a local store and return it if that does not solve the issue.
GraveLayer 03-30-07, 11:34 AM No two different HDMI cables. The one to the Receiver is 35' long (very heavy gauge) while the other is 10' and thinner for the laptop.
I guess I'll buy a long Component cable and connect it to the DVD player to see if the same message comes up. If not then I'll buy another long HDMI cable to see if the non compliant HDCP message comes up.
I'm thinking its the HDMI port on the PJ but will know after dropping money on more cables :(
(This is the part where my wife says "See its not as cheap as you said it would be")
Sometimes on long cable runs, the HDCP handshake message takes too long over longer cable runs. I would bypass the receiver & connect with the short cable if possible to troubleshoot. Could be your Sony rcvr + 35' cable is causing a slight delay to your projector. I am using a Monoprice 5x1 HDMI switcher to HD1000U via 25' HDMI cable with no issues switching between DirecTV HD & HD Tivo, HTPC & BluRay player. But if it worked for 2 months & then crapped out, thats not a good sign.
BTW the monoprice switcher for $88 is a fabulous unit. It has circuitry that detects & compensates for long runs.
Ronin_R6 03-30-07, 12:11 PM Considering it is happening with the Dish box/DVD player on one cable, and your Laptop with a seperate cable, I'd say you isolated the problem to the PJ as well as you can. You tried 2 different sources over 2 different cables and they do the same thing, not much else you can test.
I would send the PJ in and have it looked at.
Component cable will not give you that error considering they don't use HDCP. Unless using component cables are a suitable solution for use I wouldn't bother buying them.
GraveLayer 03-30-07, 02:29 PM Well I bought a 12' component cable and will test this out prior to sending the PJ back. Overkill maybe but I just want to know anyway.
One tidbit I failed to mention:
Dish Network sent me the new 622 but was VERY interested in the units software version (Hit the menu button 2 times to bring up the screen). It was L401. They obviously have some HDMI issues and I was told this new software was send out on March 23rd (I was on vacation last week and came back to these problems). They told me I would be getting a replacement 622 with an OLDER software and that the auto update wouldn't update the replacement to L401 because it was a limited release software that was sent out to only a small % of customers.
Well the replacement came and it was also loaded with L401.
Now being I have an issue on the DVD player and PJ this may all be a non issue but its interesting and I thought I'd post it.
GraveLayer 04-03-07, 12:00 PM It was a bad 35' HDMI cable.
Yes I tried a 10' HDMI cable with my laptop but in the mean time had upgraded the nvidia GeForce 7600 GO driver. Being its Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit no wonder I had troubles getting no screen with the HDMI on the laptop!
I bent over and paid $250 for a Monster 400 35' lifetime warranty HDMI cable and got an RMA for my AMC 35' HDMI cable (which will be listed on eBay when I get the new one!)
MurphyAgain 04-03-07, 12:11 PM I bent over and paid $250 for a Monster 400 35'
Umm that's putting it mild .
Ouch .ouch ouch.
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cheers
Wow...another victim of marketing hype. Check www.monoprice.com, HQ HDMI cables for much much cheaper.
GraveLayer 04-03-07, 01:23 PM Wow...another victim of marketing hype. Check www.monoprice.com, HQ HDMI cables for much much cheaper.
Not at all.
I'm a cheap bastard.
I have an HD1000U I got it for $899 no tax free shipping.
I have a DW 100" screen I paid $68 for. I have it mounted on aluminum tube I got free from work.
My AMS 35' HDMI cable cost me $69
My Sony HT-DDW900 HDMI receiver was $269 and I got a $30 gift card
My Phillips up converting DVD player was $69
My two short HDMI cables are Phillip brands I got on sale at walmart
The problem is I spent a week trying to figure out the problem and got very frustrated. The NCAA championship was on last night and I had people coming over so the only thing I could do was buy local.
At least this way if it ever goes bad I get a replacement without shipping time being an issue :)
I checked out many vendors but didn't want to wait.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/dvi/index.htm
http://www.newegg.com
augiedoggy 04-03-07, 01:33 PM It was a bad 35' HDMI cable.
I bent over and paid $250 for a Monster 400 35' lifetime warranty HDMI cable and got an RMA for my AMC 35' HDMI cable (which will be listed on eBay when I get the new one!)
FOOL!.....lol jk :)...I second that monoprice comment my $35 35ft hdmi to dvi cable from fle... works great and performs fine with my hd70 I won't buy another monster anything unless its in the clearence rack without the 700% markup. While things like guage of the wire and soldiered versus crimped ends and even gold plating for corrosion resistence in the longrun do an effect (to a piont) name brands don't. this reminds me of the threads based on blind tests of audio and video cables.....search those if you get time to kill thier a real eye opener. I was once a victim of false advertising as well.
Hey no prob Grave, when you gotta have it you gotta have it! :D
prime21 04-03-07, 05:26 PM Grave,
Take that locally bought cable back for a refund now that the tourney is over and order a cable from monoprice. It'll save you around 200 bucks or so.
Panoppolite 04-03-07, 06:55 PM [QUOTE=Ronin_R6]Considering it is happening with the Dish box/DVD player on one cable, and your Laptop with a seperate cable, I'd say you isolated the problem to the PJ as well as you can. You tried 2 different sources over 2 different cables and they do the same thing, not much else you can test.
All's well that ends well. Good that its just the cable. :D
Hehe I wouldn't call overspending $200 on a cable ending well. I'd do what prime21 said and take the local one back. And get to ordering from monoprice.
reconlabtech 04-04-07, 09:30 AM Bump for Monoprice - I use a 35' HDMI cable with a 2 to 1 HDMI switcher and 3 foot HDMI cables to my Dish 622 and Bravo D1 DVD player. This setup works great with no problems and it all came from Monoprice.
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