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Influence

12-13-07, 11:59 AM

At this point regardless of the release date I'm probably back to hoping another dual format player (or three) is announced at CES that will handle decoding the lossless formats in the player as well as provide superior analog support including speaker distance settings. I'm also frankly concerned about bass management with this unit, based on another poster mentioning the crossover cap at 100hz.

I want a freaking player already :|

These threads have been fun, folks, looks like I'm out.

I just don't understand how all the major CE manufacturers are STILL missing the boat on proper analog bass management/speaker distance settings in these new players. The moment you use built in player decoding of the surround formats and analog 5.1 or 7.1 outputs, this is a MANDATORY feature. looks like Outlaw Audio will start selling their ICBM again in the near future. This was a problem with the first DVD players with built in decoding, then DVD-A/SACD players as well. Now BD/HD-DVD players as well? Come on.

I know that technically, we are supposed to be passing these new audio formats via HDMI 1.3a or higher over to our shiny new Receivers/Pre-pros (which brings up its own set of problems, like no secondary audio streams with BD players for example), but come on already. why don't these companies learn already? to make matters worse, the early adopters (I'm usually one of them, but have learned my lesson over the years) go out and purchase these half-assed products, encouraging sloppy product development such as this.

This is the reason I still won't pick up a blu-ray player. When someone finally release a fully functional BD player (preferably profile 2.0, with an ethernet port and FULL BD-java interactivity), I'll think about jumping into the waters. not that HD-DVD is perfect, but at least their spec was FINALIZED before release of the first players, and all marketing players have had to abide by that spec. And yes, I did bite the bullet and pick up a $99 HD-A2 at Wal-mart for myself and am dealing with downrezed audio via optical digital. But for $100, it is still a far better picture/sound than my aging Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai can deliver (except for SACD/DVD-A, which also technically lacks proper speaker distance settings for SACD).

Just a rant, but we as consumers need to step up to the plate better here and start punishing companies for releasing crap onto the market. This means DON'T BUY THIS GARBAGE. I know it's hard, but HD on disc is not that significant of an improvement over properly done DVD that we truly need to step up at this point in time (at least as far as video is concerned). The fact there there are members on this board who have already bought 2 or 3 or even 4 of these BD players (and HD-DVD machines as well) is actually kind of sick. I love new technology as much as anyone on this board, but I'm tired of doing the R+D work for these CE companies at my expense.

Flame suit on here, but I'm amazed at how many people I've seen on this board swearing that they see this monsterous improvment in image quality when switching to BD/HD-DVD. It's funny how "6X the resolution of DVD" barely shows a 1.5X improvement in actual viewing. This "upgrade" is nowhere near the difference as compared to the jump from VHS to DVD. If you are seeing the huge improvement, something just wasn't right with your DVD setup. I'm currently running my gear through a 50" Fujitsu XTA51UB and know a thing or two about video and audio calibration, and the differences are really only small for the most part. Yes it is a more detailed picture. yes, the color gamut is wider, which can give us slightly better color rendition, but it isn't a "significant" difference. Granted the differences do grow a bit when scaled up to 104" projection screens off of 1080P projectors (or even 1080P flat panels at the appropriate distances), but we still aren't talking night and day here.

Audio is where the new formats shine brightest in my opionion. As a big fan of DVD-A and SACD, you can definitely hear the difference (on any decent full range system) between standard redbook CD and the hi-rez audio formats. Even quests to my home who know NOTHING about the world of audiophilia have consistantly been awed by the differences in sound quality. Even showing demo material like the Matrix or Planet Earth on HD-DVD doesn't get the same response from viewers accustomed to HD TV or DVD because the difference isn't that big.

Anyway, I hope that we will see some CE manufacturers step up to the plate at CES with a fully functional dual format player that we can all sink our teeth into and get our hard earned money's worth out of the thing. Maybe throw in some DVD-A/SACD/HDCD love in the process too?

Sorry to rant here.

70MM

12-13-07, 01:14 PM

I just don't understand how all the major CE manufacturers are STILL missing the boat on proper analog bass management/speaker distance settings in these new players. The moment you use built in player decoding of the surround formats and analog 5.1 or 7.1 outputs, this is a MANDATORY feature. looks like Outlaw Audio will start selling their ICBM again in the near future. This was a problem with the first DVD players with built in decoding, then DVD-A/SACD players as well. Now BD/HD-DVD players as well? Come on.

I know that technically, we are supposed to be passing these new audio formats via HDMI 1.3a or higher over to our shiny new Receivers/Pre-pros (which brings up its own set of problems, like no secondary audio streams with BD players for example), but come on already. why don't these companies learn already? to make matters worse, the early adopters (I'm usually one of them, but have learned my lesson over the years) go out and purchase these half-assed products, encouraging sloppy product development such as this.

This is the reason I still won't pick up a blu-ray player. When someone finally release a fully functional BD player (preferably profile 2.0, with an ethernet port and FULL BD-java interactivity), I'll think about jumping into the waters. not that HD-DVD is perfect, but at least their spec was FINALIZED before release of the first players, and all marketing players have had to abide by that spec. And yes, I did bite the bullet and pick up a $99 HD-A2 at Wal-mart for myself and am dealing with downrezed audio via optical digital. But for $100, it is still a far better picture/sound than my aging Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai can deliver (except for SACD/DVD-A, which also technically lacks proper speaker distance settings for SACD).

Just a rant, but we as consumers need to step up to the plate better here and start punishing companies for releasing crap onto the market. This means DON'T BUY THIS GARBAGE. I know it's hard, but HD on disc is not that significant of an improvement over properly done DVD that we truly need to step up at this point in time (at least as far as video is concerned). The fact there there are members on this board who have already bought 2 or 3 or even 4 of these BD players (and HD-DVD machines as well) is actually kind of sick. I love new technology as much as anyone on this board, but I'm tired of doing the R+D work for these CE companies at my expense.

Flame suit on here, but I'm amazed at how many people I've seen on this board swearing that they see this monsterous improvment in image quality when switching to BD/HD-DVD. It's funny how "6X the resolution of DVD" barely shows a 1.5X improvement in actual viewing. This "upgrade" is nowhere near the difference as compared to the jump from VHS to DVD. If you are seeing the huge improvement, something just wasn't right with your DVD setup. I'm currently running my gear through a 50" Fujitsu XTA51UB and know a thing or two about video and audio calibration, and the differences are really only small for the most part. Yes it is a more detailed picture. yes, the color gamut is wider, which can give us slightly better color rendition, but it isn't a "significant" difference. Granted the differences do grow a bit when scaled up to 104" projection screens off of 1080P projectors (or even 1080P flat panels at the appropriate distances), but we still aren't talking night and day here.

Audio is where the new formats shine brightest in my opionion. As a big fan of DVD-A and SACD, you can definitely hear the difference (on any decent full range system) between standard redbook CD and the hi-rez audio formats. Even quests to my home who know NOTHING about the world of audiophilia have consistantly been awed by the differences in sound quality. Even showing demo material like the Matrix or Planet Earth on HD-DVD doesn't get the same response from viewers accustomed to HD TV or DVD because the difference isn't that big.

Anyway, I hope that we will see some CE manufacturers step up to the plate at CES with a fully functional dual format player that we can all sink our teeth into and get our hard earned money's worth out of the thing. Maybe throw in some DVD-A/SACD/HDCD love in the process too?

Sorry to rant here.

Sorry but is NIGHT & DAY, DVD will die one day, you are living in the past! I have a 50" plasma and a 2.6M wide screen with a 1080p projector and again I say Bluray & HD DVD just KILLS standard DVD! I was a cinema projectionist for over 30 years so I know what good images look like. Last night I showed some clips of "Dream Girls" to some projectionist mates and they said my set up looked HEAPS better than thiers did in a new multiplex! Sorry but Hi Def is at least 8 times better than standard DVD, some just never want to leave the past behind:rolleyes:

Brent Madden

12-13-07, 01:30 PM

What the hell does any of this have to do with the BD-UP5000? :confused:

Influence

12-13-07, 02:01 PM

Sorry, was thinking about how poorly all these players (and apparently the 5000) were implementing analog bass management/distance compensation and got a little sidetracked.

Mr. 70MM here is exactly one of those people I was referring to. While I definitely agree that BD/HD-DVD are an improvement over DVD, they are by no means "8X" better. Actually, kind of funny how a "6X" improvement in resolution can translate to an "8X" improvement over DVD :) You really think BD/HD-DVD looks 8X better than DVD? And comparing a decent home theater setup to the absolute crap projection setups we see in the movie theaters today? Come on. My local multiplex has blown speakers in every one of their theaters for over a year and still thinks nothing is wrong. Never mind the out of focus picture and vertical black lines running through every movie they show. Sadly that is the state of things with the vast majority of theaters in the US nowadays.

Living in the past? No. Living in reality. Yes.

M$GUY

12-13-07, 02:06 PM

soapbox

I am truly amazed at what people expect from Samsung. They want it all for nothing (or close to it) and they want it to work with their legacy equipment. Living on the bleeding edge of technology is expensive. Update your equipment, or live with what you have. I see it like this: Ferrari makes some of the most modern, extremely powerful engines. Would you expect to get it cheaply from Ferrari and have it fit into your Ford Pinto as a drop-in installation?

/soapbox

Personally, I am waiting for this unit to come out, get a few production model reviews, see how well it performs, THEN make a decision on purchasing. If I decide to purchase it, I will also be purchasing an Onkyo TX-SR805 to go with it.

It looks like we're getting very close to a release date, so let's all just chill out. As Carl Reiner said (playing the part of Lymon Zerga) in Ocean's Eleven, "Dey vill be here."

jacket_fan

12-13-07, 02:52 PM

Influence,

Interesting rant.

I know I am more concerned about the picture quality of movies, whereas you are more concerned about audio quality in a new HD player.

You are also complaining about how the Sammy will handle audio, and yet own a player that does not properly process SACS/DVD-A.

Again, an interesting rant.

I have a question for you. How much better do the new audio formats sound than DD/DTS? I have not done a comparison, and would be interested in your observations. Like you, I enjoy SACD/DVD-A, and would like to get your opinion on whether the new audio formats are worth the trouble and expense.

circumstances

12-13-07, 02:54 PM

my dilemma with my "legacy" equipment is that i am very happy with my Anthem AVM 20 and plan to upgrade to a Statement D2.

i'm not ready financially to upgrade right now.

that's it in a nutshell.

therefore, i will not be purchasing an HD player until I can take advantage of both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, via 5.1 analog, done correctly (speaker distance, bass management, etc.).

i'm not asking samsung or anyone else to provide this to me for nothing. i'm willing to spend high end money on a high end unit. it just needs to provide what i'm looking for.

as for picture quality, i'm using an ancient Pioneer Elite DV09 on a KDS-R70XBR2. good SD DVD's look excellent. would a reon chip make them look even better? yes. would HD DVD and Blu Ray look better? of course. will i buy any HD player to gain that improvement in picture quality if it doesn't give me lossless audio, correctly, via analog? no.

Influence

12-13-07, 03:35 PM

jacket_fan:

It's not that I'm more concerned about the audio quality than the video quality. I enjoy a pristine image as much as the next guy and have been a "videophile" (hence the Fujitsu plasma - though now I want to bump up to a 60" 1080P Pioneer Elite) as well as an "audiophile" for quite a few years. I just have not yet been as "wowed" by the video improvement of HD/BD as others have. maybe I was just expecting to see a night and day difference (like going from SD TV to HD, which is certainly night and day) between DVD and HD disc. While the PQ of HD on disc is a definite improvement, the improvements are far more subtle (at least on my setup as well as the many demos I've seen) than what many of this forum seem to claim. I am a firm believer that the proper audio experience makes up 55% of the hometheater experience. Video makes up 45%. This kind of goes against the grain on these boards, where there are far more people with 3-10K plasmas/LCDs/projector setups who have $300 HTIB audio systems hooked up to them.

As to your comment about my SACD players' lack of proper bass management for SACD, the issue isn't too huge on my setup, as all of my speakers are capable of output down into at least the low 40Hz range, including my surrounds. The performance hit is quite negligable. The DV-47Ai does do distance compensation on SACD if I recall and bass management/distance compensation for DVD-Audio, so no sacrifices there. I also prefer DVD-Audio to SACD, but only by a very slight margin.

As to the improvements of the new audio formats (particularly the lossless), there is just something "better" about them. The differences between DD/DTS and the new lossless formats mirrors the difference between CD and SACD/DVD-A. The sound just seems so much more "real." increased detail, less hash and grain. Just an overall more full, dare I say it - more "analog" sound than CD (and no, I am not a vinyl junkie :)). There is also greater dynamic range, which counts for more than most people realize. Of course, you need a decent audio system to hear the full value of these improvements. A $300 HTIB system just isn't going to show you the differences. Give these two legacy formats a shot if you can, I assure you, they are a much more "involving" musical experience. Try the DVD-A's of the Beatles "love", Talking Heads "Speaking in Tongues" Linkin Parks' "Re-Animation" or the SACD of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" in surround and you'll see what I mean. Also, if you are classical fan, there are tons of classical discs available in both formats.

While my current setup lacks the ability to properly output/decode lossless PCM/DTS-HD MA/TrueHD, the Toshiba HD-A2 when playing back a True HD soundtrack over optical digital cable (which is of course downrezzed to DTS 1.5Mbit stream I think), is a noticeable improvement over standard DD. The improvements mirror my experiences with DVD-A/SACD. As such, I can't wait until I have properly done lossless audio feeding my system.

Man, I need to learn how to shorten my posts. Hope this helps.

rynberg

12-13-07, 03:57 PM

Why are there always a few who let the manufacturer off the hook? If you are going to bother to provide analog outputs, then put in the stuff to make them work! Use an 80 Hz x-over (or adjustable), put in speaker levels and distance. How fricking hard is that? The answer is not very. Half-assed analog outs are worthless so either do it right or don't do it at all.

overthehill

12-13-07, 04:08 PM

I just don't understand how all the major CE manufacturers are STILL missing the boat on proper analog bass management/speaker distance settings in these new players. The moment you use built in player decoding of the surround formats and analog 5.1 or 7.1 outputs, this is a MANDATORY feature. looks like Outlaw Audio will start selling their ICBM again in the near future. This was a problem with the first DVD players with built in decoding, then DVD-A/SACD players as well. Now BD/HD-DVD players as well? Come on.

I know that technically, we are supposed to be passing these new audio formats via HDMI 1.3a or higher over to our shiny new Receivers/Pre-pros (which brings up its own set of problems, like no secondary audio streams with BD players for example), but come on already. why don't these companies learn already? to make matters worse, the early adopters (I'm usually one of them, but have learned my lesson over the years) go out and purchase these half-assed products, encouraging sloppy product development such as this.

This is the reason I still won't pick up a blu-ray player. When someone finally release a fully functional BD player (preferably profile 2.0, with an ethernet port and FULL BD-java interactivity), I'll think about jumping into the waters. not that HD-DVD is perfect, but at least their spec was FINALIZED before release of the first players, and all marketing players have had to abide by that spec. And yes, I did bite the bullet and pick up a $99 HD-A2 at Wal-mart for myself and am dealing with downrezed audio via optical digital. But for $100, it is still a far better picture/sound than my aging Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai can deliver (except for SACD/DVD-A, which also technically lacks proper speaker distance settings for SACD).

Just a rant, but we as consumers need to step up to the plate better here and start punishing companies for releasing crap onto the market. This means DON'T BUY THIS GARBAGE. I know it's hard, but HD on disc is not that significant of an improvement over properly done DVD that we truly need to step up at this point in time (at least as far as video is concerned). The fact there there are members on this board who have already bought 2 or 3 or even 4 of these BD players (and HD-DVD machines as well) is actually kind of sick. I love new technology as much as anyone on this board, but I'm tired of doing the R+D work for these CE companies at my expense.

Flame suit on here, but I'm amazed at how many people I've seen on this board swearing that they see this monsterous improvment in image quality when switching to BD/HD-DVD. It's funny how "6X the resolution of DVD" barely shows a 1.5X improvement in actual viewing. This "upgrade" is nowhere near the difference as compared to the jump from VHS to DVD. If you are seeing the huge improvement, something just wasn't right with your DVD setup. I'm currently running my gear through a 50" Fujitsu XTA51UB and know a thing or two about video and audio calibration, and the differences are really only small for the most part. Yes it is a more detailed picture. yes, the color gamut is wider, which can give us slightly better color rendition, but it isn't a "significant" difference. Granted the differences do grow a bit when scaled up to 104" projection screens off of 1080P projectors (or even 1080P flat panels at the appropriate distances), but we still aren't talking night and day here.

Audio is where the new formats shine brightest in my opionion. As a big fan of DVD-A and SACD, you can definitely hear the difference (on any decent full range system) between standard redbook CD and the hi-rez audio formats. Even quests to my home who know NOTHING about the world of audiophilia have consistantly been awed by the differences in sound quality. Even showing demo material like the Matrix or Planet Earth on HD-DVD doesn't get the same response from viewers accustomed to HD TV or DVD because the difference isn't that big.

Anyway, I hope that we will see some CE manufacturers step up to the plate at CES with a fully functional dual format player that we can all sink our teeth into and get our hard earned money's worth out of the thing. Maybe throw in some DVD-A/SACD/HDCD love in the process too?

Sorry to rant here.

Do you wear glasses? Maybe a vist to the dr. may help as I see a big difference too. Also, I did have my prescription changed and saw an immediate difference. :-)

tausifs

12-13-07, 05:13 PM

A/Vspec

12-13-07, 05:35 PM

player is "shipping as we speak"

http://www.dealerscope.com/story/story.bsp?sid=83287&var=story

So this was on the 6th and it is now the 13th...... should this player be showing up in the stores this weekend?

djoberg

12-13-07, 06:09 PM

As to the improvements of the new audio formats (particularly the lossless), there is just something "better" about them. The differences between DD/DTS and the new lossless formats mirrors the difference between CD and SACD/DVD-A. The sound just seems so much more "real." increased detail, less hash and grain. Just an overall more full, dare I say it - more "analog" sound than CD (and no, I am not a vinyl junkie :)). There is also greater dynamic range, which counts for more than most people realize. Of course, you need a decent audio system to hear the full value of these improvements. A $300 HTIB system just isn't going to show you the differences.

While my current setup lacks the ability to properly output/decode lossless PCM/DTS-HD MA/TrueHD, the Toshiba HD-A2 when playing back a True HD soundtrack over optical digital cable (which is of course downrezzed to DTS 1.5Mbit stream I think), is a noticeable improvement over standard DD.

First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding the difference between the new audio codecs and DD/DTS. I have used the words "more precise and better clarity" to describe the difference.

I also agree with you that one needs a good speaker system to bring out that difference. I don't have a high end system, but I do have about $1800 invested in it, with the heart of my system being a time-tested Velodyne Servo Sub.

I too have the Toshiba A2 HD DVD player, but coupled with my Onkyo 705 receiver I am able to receive TrueHD via PCM (with the A2 hooked up to the Onkyo via HDMI). You obviously don't have a receiver with HDMI capability and without it you are forced to use an Optical cable, which lacks the proper bandwidth needed to carry the new audio codecs. I would encourage you to procure a new receiver (with the capability to receive the new audio codecs), for I have truly been WOWED by every TrueHD soundtrack that I have. And with your obvious love for superior audio you would appreciate the difference more than most people.

rynberg

12-13-07, 06:42 PM

are you saying that this player does not have the x over at 80hz ?

Yes, the x-over is fixed and is at 100 Hz. There are no provisions in the player to adjust speaker channel level or speaker distance. This is according to the posted owners manual.

If true, it is beyond stupid.

HD Theater is it

12-13-07, 06:48 PM

SpenceJT

12-13-07, 07:00 PM

Guys,

I just ordered mine today and will pick it up on the 20th, the guy at best buy checked to see if they were in the wearhouse and they were (120 of them) so I just charged it. i can't wait finally the end is near.

Still nothing in the system for Madison WI (I believe they pull from a Dist. Center in the Chicago area). Nothing in stock, nothing in transition.

The gent I spoke with mentioned that the South and West locations usually receive inventory first.

I asked about a pre-order and they said I could not. Considered BBB with the discount, but would not receive any of my BB Reward Zone points on the nearly $800 purchase (I think BBB has their own RZ program).

So I keep watching, and waiting, in breathless anticipation.

...yeah I said "breathless". I just spent 30 minutes aggressively pulling a three foot snow drift off of the roof of my house, and about half of it blew into my face!

Gotta love winters in the Mid-West. 90 degrees one weekend (October), and 30 the next. ;)

Good luck to whomever is first to receive their product! You will no doubt be inundated with questions and requests for reviews! Better brush up on typing skills!

Cheers,
"Snowman" Spence

circumstances

12-13-07, 07:01 PM

it figures that shortly after i decided i wasn't buying it, the unit is (seemingly) released. :D

haggisbingo

12-13-07, 07:02 PM

2 confirmed shipping w/tracking numbers from BBB including mine!!!:}:)

70MM

12-13-07, 07:17 PM

Do you wear glasses? Maybe a vist to the dr. may help as I see a big difference too. Also, I did have my prescription changed and saw an immediate difference. :-)

There's no problem with his ears, its just his eyes!:cool:

MrLatte

12-13-07, 09:05 PM

I can't wait for these posts to roll in:

"I just opened the box but my girlfriend/wife/S.O. took the camera to work today so I can't take any pictures."

SpenceJT

12-13-07, 09:31 PM

I can't wait for these posts to roll in:

"I just opened the box but my girlfriend/wife/S.O. took the camera to work today so I can't take any pictures."

Um, can't you decide which woman has your camera?

Got a camera phone? A scanner? WebCam? :D

strutter

12-13-07, 10:18 PM

SpenceJT

12-13-07, 10:28 PM

^^^
i think he was commenting about the post that always seem to show up when a highly anticipated new product finally get in peoples hands. inevitably there are always multiple post saying that they got it but cant provide proof

WOW! I have no response in which to cover for my over exuberant stupidity. :D

...other than lack of a BD-UP5000 is killing what few braincells that I have right... I mean LEFT! ;)

[mental note - no posting after cocktail hour]

strutter

12-13-07, 10:36 PM

^^^
a mental note does no good with no brain cells left:D:);)

himey

12-14-07, 12:45 AM

jacket_fan

12-14-07, 07:16 AM

This hobby is about compromises. Each piece of gear we get is not perfect. Even Influence is satisfied with the player he has that does not perfectly process audio. I can find something about each piece of gear that I own that is not exactly what I would want.

I am one who has an old pre/pro and will be forced to use the analog outs. Is the fact that it does not allow speaker adjustments make it a deal breaker for me? Nope. Fortunately, the over priced pre/pro in my system can take care of analog input. Is it an oversight by Samsung not to include this capability? No doubt. If a product has analog outputs, it ought to allow speaker adjustments. And if it is going to have a fixed cross-over, it should be at 80 Hz. (I wonder why they picked 100 Hz?)

I am more concerned about how well this unit processes video content. I am in the camp that is blown away with the improved picture quality on both a 50 inch plasma and my projector. Is it 2 times better or 6 or 8. I don’t know.

We look forward to detailed reviews from those of you who get the first ones.

haggisbingo

12-14-07, 07:43 AM

circumstances

12-14-07, 08:19 AM

This hobby is about compromises. If a product has analog outputs, it ought to allow speaker adjustments. And if it is going to have a fixed cross-over, it should be at 80 Hz.

Agreed. But these are not the compromises I'm willing to make. It would defeat the purpose of my waiting all this time. There are other players out there that can provide excellent video quality, I was hopeful about this player's ability to provide decoded lossless audio via analog. There are no players that currently do that for both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA.

But there will be, and hopefully we'll know something as soon as CES.

hoyty

12-14-07, 08:36 AM

Does anyone know if the BD-P1400 and BD-UP5000 are the same size and shape, especially the faceplate? I ask as I need to order a Mid-Atlantic custom rack shelf for the 5000 and they haven't measured it yet. I looked at the manuals for both and they appear to be similar. Also both seem to have similar faceplate. Thanks for any info.

homerdodge

12-14-07, 12:13 PM

dalancroft

12-14-07, 01:34 PM

>>cross-over, it should be at 80 Hz. (I wonder why they picked 100 Hz?)

What is the likely result of th 100 Hz cross-over - too little bass, too much, in the wrong places?? I don't really understand the consequences..

A couple of issues include the increasing directionality of bass above 80 Hz (that is, one's ability to pinpoint where the bass is coming from, instead of it appearing non-directional) as well as compatibility with larger-woofer, high-output subwoofers that might not reproduce upper bass as competently as lower bass (<20-40 Hz).

Skindig

12-14-07, 03:09 PM

Crutchfield just received it's first shipment of BD-UP5000s. We got 100 today and we'll get another 100 early next week. We had 240+ backorders last time I checked, but if you're among the first 200, you're golden.

Steve (at Crutchfield)

cwmich

12-14-07, 03:46 PM

Let me first say I have been following these threads for awhile and I appreciate everyones information about this player. Well I walked into the local best buy today just to see if I could get some questions answered about arrival of this player. Get over by the bd/hd players and there is no Samsung bd-p1400 on display, I look down at the stack of them below and there is BD-UP5000 sitting right on top of the pile. I get a guy to help me, ask how many they got in and what not, he shows me on the computer that almost every store in Southwest MI was getting 1 today and that after that it showed back-ordered. Well I bought it and here are the first pictures of it.

Skippman

12-14-07, 03:52 PM

Yes yes, pictures... very keen.

Now stop posting and go hook it up! I want test results! :D

Scubawoman

12-14-07, 03:53 PM

70MM

12-14-07, 03:53 PM

haggisbingo

12-14-07, 03:57 PM

slimm

12-14-07, 04:00 PM

Someone needs to start an owner/user thread now that this is starting to show up.

cwmich

12-14-07, 04:14 PM

If you have any DVD+R discs would you see it they will play?

Sorry guys I don't have time right now to put it through paces I have to be at work in a little bit.

Question above: There is a * next to Multi format Compatibility on the front of the box. On the side of the box it says

-Multi Format Compatibility: BD-ROM, HD DVD, DVD-Video, DVD-R/-RW, Audio CD and CD-R.
-Not for DVD+R/+RW/-RAM Discs.

It goes on with a list of what samsung does not warrant, but I don't have time to type the paragraph of stuff right now. I will later if someone wants to read it. Its the grey box on the side in the pictures.

vinnie97

12-14-07, 04:16 PM

Again, downright goofy if it can't play DVD+Rs. :p

Scubawoman

12-14-07, 04:19 PM

Sorry guys I don't have time right now to put it through paces I have to be at work in a little bit.

Question above: There is a * next to Multi format Compatibility on the front of the box. On the side of the box it says

-Multi Format Compatibility: BD-ROM, HD DVD, DVD-Video, DVD-R/-RW, Audio CD and CD-R.
-Not for DVD+R/+RW/-RAM Discs.

It goes on with a list of what samsung does not warrant, but I don't have time to type the paragraph of stuff right now. I will later if someone wants to read it. Its the grey box on the side in the pictures.

Hi, I know it says the same thing in the manual but many of us think it still might play them. Other units haven't supported DVD+R discs but the machines will still play them. This is the first time however a manual specifically says it won't, so we were all wondering it it is true. Whenever you get around to it I'd appreciate knowing if you have any DVD+R discs available. I've had a unit on order since Oct.

edved1

12-14-07, 04:27 PM

Someone needs to start an owner/user thread now that this is starting to show up.

Completely agree. Someone start an owners thread please!

vinnie97

12-14-07, 04:34 PM

Completely agree. Someone start an owners thread please!
Take a closer look on this here forum. ;) Unfortunately, the fellow has gone off to work so that leaves everyone hanging.:p

Mr. Good Cat

12-14-07, 04:38 PM

Take a closer look on this here forum. ;) Unfortunately, the fellow has gone off to work so that leaves everyone hanging.:p

Has this guy EVER heard of a "sick day?"

SpenceJT

12-14-07, 04:47 PM

There is an owner's thread here;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=955388

We should start seeing owner feedback shortly!

sjv

12-14-07, 05:38 PM

Hi, I know it says the same thing in the manual but many of us think it still might play them. Other units haven't supported DVD+R discs but the machines will still play them. This is the first time however a manual specifically says it won't, so we were all wondering it it is true. Whenever you get around to it I'd appreciate knowing if you have any DVD+R discs available. I've had a unit on order since Oct.

Scuba, that was/is the exact reason that I got off of this player and bought a Sony BDP-S500 last week. It, the Sony, specifically says that it WILL play DVD+R discs....which I have a ton of. I tried it out and it does play them with no problem.:)

markrubin

12-14-07, 05:42 PM

link to new owners thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=955388

this thread unstuck

gggunderson

12-14-07, 05:51 PM

Pardon me if this has been answered...

I've been following these threads and, like everyone else, I am looking forward to this player and am concerned about its audio decoding.

However, I'm not concerned what it sends over the analog outputs... I'm concerned about HDMI. Does this unit internally decode TrueHD (and the other formats) to full 5.1/6.1/7.1 PCM and send it out over HDMI??

I have a non-1.3 HDMI receiver (Denon 5805CI) that I have my current blu-ray player (Panasonic 10A) hooked up to via HDMI. For Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, I get multichannel PCM over HDMI.

Thanks,
Garrett

djoberg

12-14-07, 06:27 PM

However, I'm not concerned what it sends over the analog outputs... I'm concerned about HDMI. Does this unit internally decode TrueHD (and the other formats) to full 5.1/6.1/7.1 PCM and send it out over HDMI??
I have a non-1.3 HDMI receiver (Denon 5805CI) that I have my current blu-ray player (Panasonic 10A) hooked up to via HDMI. For Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, I get multichannel PCM over HDMI.

Thanks,
Garrett

My main concern, like others, is if the BD-5000 will send TrueHD and DTS-HD undecoded through HDMI (via Bitstream) and allow a capable receiver (I have the Onkyo 705) to decode it.

RockStrongo

12-14-07, 06:47 PM

With the report above, I checked the BB in Lewisville just now to see if they had gotten them in. They didnt have any and they dont even have it in the computer.

I have a 12% off coupon good til 12/16, so im hoping its in their system by then so I can order it with the discount.

ruthdog23

12-15-07, 05:38 PM

Just happened to drive down to BB to see if they happened to get any in today. I went to the shelf and all they had was the 1400. There was an empty spot right above the 1400, just big enough to hold one 1400. There was no shelf tag for the 5000. A BB employee asked me if I needed any help, so I asked when they would get any 5000 in (luckily he knew exactly what player I was talking about) and he said he wasn't sure, but that he could order me one from the warehouse and they would send it directly to me. I told him I wanted to look around the store some more before I had to go through the order process.

So, I browse around the store for awhile and then come back to the same section, but I can't find the guy who I originally talked to. The new guy had no clue how to use their computer system. Thankfully, I saw the original employee and waived him over. He played with the computer and determined that he could not order one from the warehouse. Then, he said it looks like we have one in the store, let me go check. So, he walks over to where the empty slot was earlier and said here it is! Sure enough, there it was! Another employee said it had just came off the truck. WHAT TIMING!!

I will not be hooking it up until Christmas, so please do not ask for reviews. Plus, my Pioneer 6010 is not scheduled to arrive until this Wednesday.

I hope everyone finds one before Christmas!!!

Skippman

12-15-07, 05:41 PM

What did you pay for it?

ruthdog23

12-15-07, 08:28 PM

$799.99

Raptor007

12-18-07, 05:52 AM

... I am a firm believer that the proper audio experience makes up 55% of the hometheater experience. Video makes up 45%. This kind of goes against the grain on these boards, where there are far more people with 3-10K plasmas/LCDs/projector setups who have $300 HTIB audio systems hooked up to them. ...

I'm with you completely here, and I'd probably push the numbers even more in favor of audio's importance. I'd been using my tiny CRT with my $2k+ audio setup for about a year before I finally took the plunge on my Samsung 4671 (I just graduated in June, so money was a lot tougher before).

That said though, I'm frustrated by the lack of detail when SD DVD gets stretched to 46", and I'm eagerly awaiting this player. I can't wait for that Reon, and even more I can't wait for content that's stored in 1080p. I've got some downloaded 720p movies that I play from my laptop, and even comparing SD DVD to those is "night and day" to me!

I can understand your frustration with the analog outs, since I'm sure you've invested a lot in your current non-HDMI equipment. For me, having spent only $300 on my Denon AVR-3300 (thanks eBay!) I'm more concerned with bitstreaming for whenever I decide to upgrade the AVR. Until then, I'm content to listen to core DD/DTS; my PC occupies the multichannel analog input anyway.

unbiased

12-19-07, 12:00 PM

I'm with you completely here, and I'd probably push the numbers even more in favor of audio's importance. I'd been using my tiny CRT with my $2k+ audio setup for about a year before I finally took the plunge on my Samsung 4671 (I just graduated in June, so money was a lot tougher before).

That said though, I'm frustrated by the lack of detail when SD DVD gets stretched to 46", and I'm eagerly awaiting this player. I can't wait for that Reon, and even more I can't wait for content that's stored in 1080p. I've got some downloaded 720p movies that I play from my laptop, and even comparing SD DVD to those is "night and day" to me!

I can understand your frustration with the analog outs, since I'm sure you've invested a lot in your current non-HDMI equipment. For me, having spent only $300 on my Denon AVR-3300 (thanks eBay!) I'm more concerned with bitstreaming for whenever I decide to upgrade the AVR. Until then, I'm content to listen to core DD/DTS; my PC occupies the multichannel analog input anyway.

I am with you on this also! I also would push the numbers higher for the audio quality vs video importance for overall best experiencing a movie/film.
The sound experience is essential. Video takes 2nd seat for me.