If this player doesn't go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, grill filet mignon perfectly and give me certain "pleasures" there's no way I'm buying it. ;)

There is always the hope that Samsung is well aware of the expectations of this player, and they pushed the release date back (if indeed that is more than rumor) to make absolutely sure that it lives up to all expectations...

man lots of picky people here haha. seems like this is gonna be the most feature complete player out there when it comes out. hopefully the build quality and performance on it is good.

i wonder though, if i want bass management done by my receiver, will putting the speaker settings to large do it?

man lots of picky people here haha. seems like this is gonna be the most feature complete player out there when it comes out. hopefully the build quality and performance on it is good.

i wonder though, if i want bass management done by my receiver, will putting the speaker settings to large do it?

Typically no, because your analog ins are usually "pass throughs". Which means there is nothing (no a/d or d/a conversion and no crossover functions) done to the signal.

Typically no, because your analog ins are usually "pass throughs". Which means there is nothing (no a/d or d/a conversion and no crossover functions) done to the signal.

oops i forgot to mention if the connection was HDMI not analog.

oops i forgot to mention if the connection was HDMI not analog.

oops.

I believe that your receiver will do it then.


This whole HDMI thing is so confusing.

So if I choose DTS HDMA bitstream out, isn't it going to automatically decode it in the player because of PiP, then pass PCM to the receiver?

As far as I know, the audio options are very very simple (just large/small settings for all speakers, nonvariable 100 Hz cut for LFE, no time correction etc.)
I really hope they will improve it on this player.

OK I am confused on this. If I am outputting PCM then I would not expect the DVD player to alter the audio at all. I would hope that it would losslessly transmit each independent channel. Is this not the case? Why would you want the DVD player to do any Bass management at all? Isn't the point to send the unmolested signal to the receiver?

If this player doesn't go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, grill filet mignon perfectly and give me certain "pleasures" there's no way I'm buying it. ;)

I would need my laundry done as well or it's a no go.

Seriously though speaker distances are pretty important if you use the analog outputs.

Seriously though speaker distances are pretty important if you use the analog outputs.

... as is a variable crossover.

I would need my laundry done as well or it's a no go.

Seriously though speaker distances are pretty important if you use the analog outputs.

And why wouldn't this be accounted for in your AVR?

And why wouldn't this be accounted for in your AVR?

Typically, an analog connection is only a passthrough (do not pass Go, do not collect $200), and bass management is not available on the AVR side. I think a couple of the better AVRs (better than mine, a lot better) do indeed re-digitize the analog signals to apply BM and other processing, but AFAIK most don't...

OK I am confused on this. If I am outputting PCM then I would not expect the DVD player to alter the audio at all. I would hope that it would losslessly transmit each independent channel. Is this not the case? Why would you want the DVD player to do any Bass management at all? Isn't the point to send the unmolested signal to the receiver?I'm not sure how this is being handled these days. In the days before HDMI SACD and DVD/A players required bass management and distance correction because they could only output a hi-res signal via analog; and most pre/pro's and receivers would simply pass that along with a volume control (and in some cases level trim controls for various channels), but nothing performed in the digital domain (signal stayed analog all the way thru the pre/pro or receiver). No with HDMI you can decode to PCM; then let the receiver do all the digital manipulation, bass management, etc digitally, as with other sources. Any BD or HD DVD player with analog outs should provide the bass management and speaker distance option for those who are using older receivers without HDMI. Players such as the PS3 and A2/A3, which have no analog outputs obviously force you to use HDMI to get hi-res audio out; therefore I see no reason to incorporate bass management, speaker distance settings, etc.

I would need my laundry done as well or it's a no go.

Seriously though speaker distances are pretty important if you use the analog outputs.

Jeez, everytime we come up with a new reason to love this thing we come up with another to pass on it. I give you guys credit for trying but this is not one you're talking me out of! :D

Jeez, everytime we come up with a new reason to love this thing we come up with another to pass on it. I give you guys credit for trying but this is not one you're talking me out of! :D


Me neither. :cool:

I'm buying this player for sure based on what I read about the advanced codec support. When and where can I get one of these bad boys?

I'm buying this player for sure based on what I read about the advanced codec support. When and where can I get one of these bad boys?


That's the $64k question. Hopefully it will be out Nov. 1st, but nobody seems to know for sure.

Honestly I would have preferred Speakers distance settings over DTS MA decoding if I had the choice. I have no discs with DTS MA and the Core 1.5 is damn good anyway.

Honestly I would have preferred Speakers distance settings over DTS MA decoding if I had the choice. I have no discs with DTS MA and the Core 1.5 is damn good anyway.

thats why i'm curious by choosing large speaker settings if the dts ma being decoded by the player to PCM then letting my receiver handle all the audio manipulations. i wonder cause i have the oppo 970 and by choosing large speaker settings when connected thru HDMI all the bass management is handled by the receiver.

Now we wait on word of whether or not it can do TL51...

Now we wait on word of whether or not it can do TL51...

Yes...but can it do the Tango??? :confused:

Looks like we got our first review!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908610

thats why i'm curious by choosing large speaker settings if the dts ma being decoded by the player to PCM then letting my receiver handle all the audio manipulations. i wonder cause i have the oppo 970 and by choosing large speaker settings when connected thru HDMI all the bass management is handled by the receiver.

Well this has more affect on people using analog connections but I think even some HDMI receivers do not do ANY processing to digital PCM signals and treat it just like the multi channel analog inputs. In that case the player would have to do it as well.

Will coax carry decoded or PCM HD audio formats or must it go over HDMI?

Scott

Will coax carry decoded or PCM HD audio formats or must it go over HDMI?

Scott

If the player decodes the format, it should be able to convert it to PCM for output via coax or toslink.

If the player decodes the format, it should be able to convert it to PCM for output via coax or toslink.

actually not true. this subject has been covered a zillion times. The only two ways to transmit the multi channel decoded PCM signal is HDMI or analog. SPDIF can only do 2 ch PCM or bitstream DD/DTS transmission.

Looks like we got our first review!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908610


How did he get ahold of it for testing?

I am new to HD and have everything but a BR or HD DVD player. This looks perfect for me. But I do have a question....

If my receiver can decode Dolby True HD and DTS MA... is it better to have the player bitstream the audio to the receiver or just have the player decode the audio? Thanks

Justin

so does it DECODE dts-ma and trueHD or only pass it as bitstream so you will need a receiver with on-board decoders of the new audio formats?

has a release date been set for the people in Germany and Holland?

so does it DECODE dts-ma and trueHD or only pass it as bitstream so you will need a receiver with on-board decoders of the new audio formats?

Bitstream on Release, Decode by Firmware Update later. Thats what i think!

I am new to HD and have everything but a BR or HD DVD player. This looks perfect for me. But I do have a question....

If my receiver can decode Dolby True HD and DTS MA... is it better to have the player bitstream the audio to the receiver or just have the player decode the audio? Thanks

Justin

You will have to try both ways. One of the two will sound better then the other, if they sound the same, I would use Bitstream. This allows you to use Bass Management, Speaker Settings, and Distances, that a receiver should allow at this point.

The samsung may not have all of those settings.

But if the Samsung sounds better analog, Just use analog.

has a release date been set for the people in Germany and Holland?
Not officially. Rumours range from December to February... :rolleyes:

sticky

One Call has this player listed on their site.

Well, it's already been announced to to 1080p/24 for both formats.

Sorry, I tried searching the thread but there are so many ways to find 24Hz... where has this been verified for both formats?


Also, does anyone know what the player will do to the audio if connected through coax digital or toslink? Will it output a DD 5.1, DTS 5.1, or PCM stereo signal?


One last question: between coax digital and toslink... is either better than the other, or are they basically equivalent?


From everything I've read, I'm pretty certain I'm going to be buying this player as soon as it comes out. Can't wait, since atm I'm only using a 480p SD DVD player through component!

Sorry, I tried searching the thread but there are so many ways to find 24Hz... where has this been verified for both formats?


Also, does anyone know what the player will do to the audio if connected through coax digital or toslink? Will it output a DD 5.1, DTS 5.1, or PCM stereo signal?


One last question: between coax digital and toslink... is either better than the other, or are they basically equivalent?


From everything I've read, I'm pretty certain I'm going to be buying this player as soon as it comes out. Can't wait, since atm I'm only using a 480p SD DVD player through component!
Check out the review thread. He verifies 1080p/24 on both formats

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908610

Check out the review thread. He verifies 1080p/24 on both formats

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=908610

Ahhh, thanks, this site:
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9771594-7.html

The reason I ask is that I've seen some specs that only mentioned 24Hz for Blu-ray.

Yea, for a while they only listed 24Hz for bluray. Been a couple months now though that they've confirmed 108p/24 on both formats.

Are these starting to show up at any more (reliable) vendors as presales? I know Abe's, OnSale and mayby ******* had them..I think that's all I've seen.

Folks - there is a lot of talk in this and the other 5000 AVS thread about HDMI 1.3 and passing the advanced audio formats. Check out this FAQ in the High-Def Digest about HDMI 1.3. (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/High-Def_FAQ/High-Def_FAQ:_Is_HDMI_1.3_Really_Necessary/853)

Basically, it says that currently now with HD-DVD, and very soon with Blu-ray releases, the only way to get the highest resolution, lossless audio is either through multi-channel PCM through HDMI (which HDMI 1.1 supports) or multi-channel analog out. So no point having the receiver decode DTS-HD MA since it'll never get that from the player. The reason is that now with HD-DVD and soon with Blu-ray releases, the player live-mixes audio internally and can only output uncompressed analog (via HDMI, or analog).

Note that regardless of which version of HDMI a receiver may support (1.1, 1.3), this isn't a guarantee that it can accept multi-channel uncompressed audio over HDMI. That's a detail to ferret out about any particular receiver.

Anyways, for myself, I'm keeping it simple and just using six interconnect cables (I use 5.1) for analog audio between the Samsung and my receiver. It may be ugly, but at least I know I'll be getting the best sound possible regardless of anything else.

Oh, and I have to remember to boost my LFE channel in my receiver when I do this (nothing is simple!).

Oh, and I have to remember to boost my LFE channel in my receiver when I do this (nothing is simple!).

Why do you have to boost LFE? I'm assuming +10dB?

...and I guess he is not to picky about proper surround setup either when using analog out.:rolleyes:

...and I guess he is not to picky about proper surround setup either when using analog out.:rolleyes:

Are you talking about speaker distance?

has there been any mention of SACD/DVD audio playback?

Any guesses as to what the street market may be on this bad boy? I would really like to go dual format and only have one player on the shelf, but not for the msrp of 1050. If it hits the street around 750ish, I would probably bite on that, (hard to justify more when you can get a BR player + HD DVD player for ~650 combined). Also, does anyone know if you get the 5 free disks from both BR and HD DVD?

Why do you have to boost LFE? I'm assuming +10dB?

Yes. I just boost it until it sounds right :). Anyone know why the LFE analog out is underboosted when it comes out of the player compared to the digital output?

...and I guess he is not to picky about proper surround setup either when using analog out.:rolleyes:

I guess I'm missing something here - what proper surround setup do I lose?

I guess I'm missing something here - what proper surround setup do I lose?

A variable crossover and speaker distance settings (for delay).

Are these starting to show up at any more (reliable) vendors as presales? I know Abe's, OnSale and mayby ******* had them..I think that's all I've seen.

Is buy.com more reliable? They have it too.

Is buy.com more reliable? They have it too.

I would classify Buy.com as more reliable than any of those mentioned. I rank them up there with Amazon.

Basically, it says that currently now with HD-DVD, and very soon with Blu-ray releases, the only way to get the highest resolution, lossless audio is either through multi-channel PCM through HDMI (which HDMI 1.1 supports) or multi-channel analog out. So no point having the receiver decode DTS-HD MA since it'll never get that from the player. The reason is that now with HD-DVD and soon with Blu-ray releases, the player live-mixes audio internally and can only output uncompressed analog (via HDMI, or analog).

Well, we'll know very soon if this is true or not. The Samsung 1400 just got a firmware upgrade to enable TrueHD & DTS-HD-MA bitstream output support.

A variable crossover and speaker distance settings (for delay).

So are you saying that receivers generally do not process analog external inputs?

So are you saying that receivers generally do not process analog external inputs?

That is correct. The analog outs on all of these players so far has been a joke compared to the setup and processing of even an older inexpensive receiver. Not a solution to me.

As far as not getting the DTS-MA bitstream out of the player, that is just pure BS. These new players will be able to do it...


hard to justify more when you can get a BR player + HD DVD player for ~650 combined

sigh....APPLES TO ORANGES The only way to get the equivalent functionality of the 5000 would be to get a $600+ BD player and the X-A2 at >$500. And even then, the BD player won't have Final Profile or DTS-MA capabilities

Even a PS3 and an A2 costs more than $650 anyway....

So are you saying that receivers generally do not process analog external inputs?

In general, no (AFAIK). A few of the higher-end receivers do route the analog input through DACs to allow for processing, though most don't (my Denon 2105 only allows for channel trim adjustments for EXT IN). I am hoping that this would be a firmware issue, and that Samsung will realize that the analogs are basically useless for most of us without these capabilities.

EDIT: Do'h! rynberg beat me to it!

Well, we'll know very soon if this is true or not. The Samsung 1400 just got a firmware upgrade to enable TrueHD & DTS-HD-MA bitstream output support.

Yes, but that FAQ I referenced stated that since all HD-DVD disks are authored in Advanced audio mode, the player decodes DTS-HD MA, for instance, does live mixing and outputs multi-channel PCM out the HDMI port. Apparantly, it does not re-encode DTS-HD MA, which would be pointless anyway.

The bigger point here is that if the player can decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, there is no need for the receiver to do it, and thus, no need for HDMI 1.3 (since 1.1 can transport multi-channel PCM).

Uh, the 5000 will be able to decode TrueHD and DTS-HD, right??

But, hey, I'm just highlighting what that FAQ said, I don't know anything about this myself :)

I would classify Buy.com as more reliable than any of those mentioned. I rank them up there with Amazon.

I placed my order with them...Cant wait to get it!

Im moving in late October so I put my new address....any chance this ships before Oct 25?? If so, ill have to change it back to my old address.

In a press release of Twentieth Century Fox, I read the following:

"All of the BD titles announced today will be authored in BD-J with AVC (MPEG 4) compression and presented on 50 GB dual-layer discs "

What happens if you own a Blu-ray player with MPEG2 (like the UP5000), I guess they're compatible but do you loose any quality?

In a press release of Twentieth Century Fox, I read the following:

"All of the BD titles announced today will be authored in BD-J with AVC (MPEG 4) compression and presented on 50 GB dual-layer discs "

What happens if you own a Blu-ray player with MPEG2 (like the UP5000), I guess they're compatible but do you loose any quality?

These players are able to decode many codecs...AVC/MPEG4 is one of them

These players are able to decode many codecs...AVC/MPEG4 is one of them

I didn't immediately see mpeg4 in the specs ...

I didn't immediately see mpeg4 in the specs ...

Im sure it will....if it cant, it wont sell.

I didn't immediately see mpeg4 in the specs ...


It's there, but you're right, you won't immediately "see" it. ;) Samsung lists H.264 in the specs. which is MPEG-4 AVC.

I would classify Buy.com as more reliable than any of those mentioned. I rank them up there with Amazon.

Crap!! Everybody that sells it charges tax in TN.

Sorry to post so late about the analog out debate, but with regards to improper sound through the analog due to crossover and distance issues that is not too likely. Players with 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs will have these adjustments in their setup menus. The reveiwer simply did not use the analog connections and so did not discuss their efficiency. I will agree that the DAC's used on the Sammy will impact the sound quality but proper balancing is absolutely achievable with a good SPL meter and some effort.

Not all players have these settings even though they may have multi channel analog outs (it should be standard). The Sony BluRay 300 is one I know for sure. I am not sure about the Samsungs but I think someone mentioning that the 1200 does not have those settings either sparked this discussion.

Sorry to post so late about the analog out debate, but with regards to improper sound through the analog due to crossover and distance issues that is not too likely. Players with 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs will have these adjustments in their setup menus.

Yeah, but typically you won't get near the options for crossover setting in a player as you would with a receiver or pre/pro. Plus, forget about any kind of processing on top of that signal like THX, DPL IIx, cinema re eq, etc. Also forget about any kind of room eq that your receiver might do too. Unless the receiver or pre/pro digitizes that input. :) Some do, but most don't. HDMI is the answer. I wouldn't even bother with the analog outs if I couldn't get the signal via HDMI. I'd just use coax and bite the bullet with any potential degredation in signal quality to get the processing options in the pre/pro I have now.

OK, TV beat me to it. :)

Sorry to post so late about the analog out debate, but with regards to improper sound through the analog due to crossover and distance issues that is not too likely. Players with 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs will have these adjustments in their setup menus.

Wrong. Existing players with analog outs do NOT have these basic adjustments. It's not a debate.

Sorry to post so late about the analog out debate, but with regards to improper sound through the analog due to crossover and distance issues that is not too likely. Players with 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs will have these adjustments in their setup menus. The reveiwer simply did not use the analog connections and so did not discuss their efficiency. I will agree that the DAC's used on the Sammy will impact the sound quality but proper balancing is absolutely achievable with a good SPL meter and some effort.

According to Gary Merson's review, there are no distance settings, and he was unable to confirm a variable crossover:

The choices for speaker management are off/small/large and there appears to be options for the .1 subwoofer, but they were glitched on the pre-production sample.

Add to that the fact that all of the Sammys up to now (including the 1400) have not had distance settings, and a fixed crossover at 100Hz, and it does not bode well for the 5000.

...proper balancing is absolutely achievable with a good SPL meter and some effort.

I agree, but just balancing trim levels with an SPL meter is only a small part of getting the best sound possible. Unless all of the speakers are equidistant relative to the listening position, the sound wave will arive at different times, introducing a delay factor, or even wave addition/cancellation. The speaker distance settings allow for a digital delay in each channel to compensate.

The crossover have nothing to do with the speaker trim settings per se, but at what frequency the sub takes over the heavy lifting. Depending on what other speakers you have in your system, and what their FR is, a variable c/o helps to blend the sub in with the other speakers.

A properly EQ'd sound system, properly adjusted for distances, and then balanced with an SPL meter, is much more than just making sure the SPL needle reaches the same point for each channel.

If Samsung is indeed trying to shake their 3rd tier CE reputation and apeal to higher end customers, I would hope that they would listen to their target audience (esp where their flagship player is concerned)... If this thing comes out without these settings, I'm afraid that Samsung just sold me an Onkyo HD-DVD player, and a 3rd gen Panny next summer...

In response to the comment that no player existing has these basic adjustments my old yamaha player does and no I don't use them in leiu of the coax out but hey I am sure of what is on my Equipment. As to the other Sammy's not having this adj. and the reviewer comment about the lack of distance settings I missed my apologies. Lastly I do agree that the SPL is just one piece of the puzzle in establishing good room acoustics but the sad reality is that most users rely too heavily on electronic adjustment rather than beginning with proper room placement of speakers and treatment options. Using the reciever to correct room abberrations should be your last resort instead of the first.

Too bad about the analogs not having adjustments it sure would have been nice not to have to ditch my reciever, but I am starting to believe that the new "lossless" codecs are only ever going to be supported in their fullest potential along HDMI. Even worst I am getting tired of waiting for the powers that be to deliver what HDMI promises without more revisions than a Microsoft OS. Oh well I guess I will pass on the lossless audio and just stick with what works if the rest of the player ends up being as good as billed.

Well, I have no plans whatsoever to ditch my receiver so I guess I'll just have to settle for slightly "inferior" sound through the 7.1 analog connection. I'm sure it will still sound damn good and almost certainly satisfy my requirements.

The part that I never could figure out is that in a multi-row home theater setup there is no measurement you can come up with for speaker delay times. The back row will hear the rears first, while the front row will hear the fronts first. So it seems there is no point monkeying with the speaker delay times.

The part that I never could figure out is that in a multi-row home theater setup there is no measurement you can come up with for speaker delay times. The back row will hear the rears first, while the front row will hear the fronts first. So it seems there is no point monkeying with the speaker delay times.

In a perfect scenario you shouldn't need them. Most peoples rooms are not perfect and need to be accounted for. As far as multi row theater well you always tune the sound to a "sweet spot" (which is where you will be sitting most likely).

Even the first Toshibas had nice audio settings. The only thing they were missing was multiple variable crossovers. With distance, small/large, and a adjustable crossover you are in good shape. The XA1 worked great using the analog outs for the new codecs.

At this point I will probably just stick with this XA2 and if I feel like getting BluRay I'll just slap one of those Pioneer drives in my HTPC.

Does anyone know what kind of DACs are used in the 5000? If you're going to be using analog audio, this is going to be very important.

Well, we'll know very soon if this is true or not. The Samsung 1400 just got a firmware upgrade to enable TrueHD & DTS-HD-MA bitstream output support.

joerod over in the onkyo 905 thread has posted pictures of the 905 displaying trueHD on the LCD. using the samsung 1400 which is passing the bitstream via HDMi to the 905.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11662724&postcount=2259

Is it 100% confirmed that BD-UP5000 will pass all HD audio through bitstream? I had thought that there were issues passing HD-DVD audio bitstream.

And if it does happen to decode the HD audio, do you think it will give the option to pass it bitstream? I'd prefer my received to do the decoding.

Well, that didn't take long.

Buy dot com already has it for $855.99 including shipping.

Before jumping for joy, I wouldn't be surprised if the price changes once they're in stock.

Well, that didn't take long.

Buy dot com already has it for $855.99 including shipping.

Before jumping for joy, I wouldn't be surprised if the price changes once they're in stock.

Then I guess your first statement is wrong :D
They don't have it.

<moved>

You should probably take a look at the Buy.com reseller ratings...2.26 out of 10.

Is it 100% confirmed that BD-UP5000 will pass all HD audio through bitstream? I had thought that there were issues passing HD-DVD audio bitstream.

And if it does happen to decode the HD audio, do you think it will give the option to pass it bitstream? I'd prefer my received to do the decoding.

Before you guys get all carried away with this HDMI / analogue issue, read the following which I had posted in another forum.

This is probably the BEST synapsis I have read regarding the new format sound issues and HDMI.

"First let's clarify some nomenclature. Dolby and DTS have both introduced new audio codecs. The lossy ones are DD+ (Dolby Digital Plus) and DTS-HD (High Definition). The lossless codecs are Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA (Master Audio).

Think of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA as zipping a computer file to save space. None of the data is discarded, just packed more efficiently to take up less storage space. When you unzip the file, 100% of the data is still there, and you get a bit-for-bit copy of the original.

If you had a zipped document that you wanted to send me on disc, you would have two choices. You could unzip it on your computer before putting it on the disc. Or you could send it to me as a zipped file (would take up less space on the disc) and I could unzip it on my computer. Either way, I end up with the exact same document, down to the last letter.

Likewise, decoding (unpacking) a soundtrack in the player or in the receiver will yield the exact same results. It's not like high end receivers have a special secret version of TrueHD decoding reserved for them that cheap players aren't allowed to have. It's just format decoding. If certain audio data is flagged for the left front channel, then decoding in the worlds most expensive receiver won't place that data somehow "more" into the left front channel than decoding in the world's cheapest player.

Going back to the zipped document analogy. If you wanted to change anything in the document, from simple correction of spelling mistakes to complex re-formatting for a better look, you would first need to unzip that document. You wouldn't be able to manipulate it while it was still zipped.

Similarly, everything a receiver does to the soundtrack, up to and including D/A conversion, requires the soundtrack to be in uncompressed PCM form. In fact, when you send your receiver a DD or DTS bitstream, the first thing it does is decompress the soundtrack to linear PCM. Only then can it apply things like bass management, time alignment, etc.

Soundtracks on HD DVD (and eventually on Blu-ray, when it goes interactive) operate very differently than they do on DVD. With current DVDs, you need entirely separate soundtracks for things like foreign languages and filmmaker's commentary. This is actually a pretty wasteful approach.

With HD DVD, soundtracks can be authored in the 'Advanced' mode, which allows multiple content streams to be live-mixed (mixed in real time). You don't need another soundtrack for foreign languages. Just swap out the English centre channel stream with one of the foreign centre channel streams. You don't need another soundtrack for commentary. Just reduce the level of the main soundtrack and mix in the commentary stream. Same with button sounds and other interactive features, like picture-in-picture.

Just like editing the document requires unzipping the file first, doing any of this live-mixing to the soundtrack requires decoding it to linear PCM first. This is why it has to be done in the player. They're not going to transmit every option to your receiver, just one soundtrack. You choose what you want to hear, it is mixed in the player (i.e. the soundtrack you want to hear is literally built in real time inside the player) and transmitted as a final mix to your receiver.

Current HDMI allows 8 channels of 96/24 PCM to be transmitted (more than enough resolution for any soundtrack), but not the new codecs in their native form. When HDMI 1.3 arrives, it will allow the new codecs mentioned above to be transmitted in their native bitstream, but only if they were authored in 'Basic' mode (no interactivity). If the soundtrack was authored in Advanced mode, then it cannot be transmitted in undecoded form; decoding in the player is mandatory because of live mixing.

So far, all HD DVD soundtracks have been authored in Advanced mode. Which means nothing will change when new receivers arrive on the market. Despite having HDMI 1.3 transmission and decoders built into the receiver, decoding will still have to take place in the player.

Currently, Blu-ray discs are authored in Basic mode, since they haven't gotten interactivity yet. As soon as BD Java is up and working, they'll all be authored in Advanced mode too. At that point, what are the decoders in the receivers going to do? Decode the relatively few BD titles that were released before interactivity? Most of those titles will be re-issued anyway.

Personally, I'm glad that decoding is shifting to the player. I wish it had always been that way. Since receivers need the data in PCM form anyway, that's what every player should be outputting (irrespective of what format is used to store the data on the disc). As mentioned before, when new audio codecs and formats arrive, you'll have to buy a new player. But as long as the players keep outputting the audio in PCM form, current receivers will always remain compatible with anything that shows up in the future. How elegant is that!"

Here is the link to the full article:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Necessary/853


Paul

Makes sense Paul.

But were should the time delay and level managment take place then? In the player or the pre-amp/rcvr?

Thanks for the read hidefpaul. Quite interesting and useful :)

You should probably take a look at the Buy.com reseller ratings...2.26 out of 10.

Are you kidding me? Buy.com is one of the biggest, most reliable online retailers. On par with Amazon, only Buy.com typically ships faster unless you have Amazon Prime (which is f'ing great). Certainly not like one of those shady grey market Brooklyn-based retailers.

Are you kidding me? Buy.com is one of the biggest, most reliable online retailers. On par with Amazon, only Buy.com typically ships faster unless you have Amazon Prime (which is f'ing great). Certainly not like one of those shady grey market Brooklyn-based retailers.

LOL...are you kidding me???
Amazon.com is worlds better when it comes to reliability and service...Buy.com is terrible and I can only warn anyone...just read some of the feedback buy.com has...I'd prefer Onsale.com (and probably even the brooklyn-based retailers) anytime over buy.com

See there is talk about the BD-UP5000 again. Should we re-light the fire under this post. Anyone have any current news on release date (2007) of this combo player?

See there is talk about the BD-UP5000 again. Should we re-light the fire under this post. Anyone have any current news on release date (2007) of this combo player?

Again? :confused:

We've been here...talking never ceased.

I've ordered a ton of stuff from Buy.com over the years and I'd rank them right up there with Amazon. I don't know where the 2.26 out of 10 reseller rating comes from, but I can guarantee that they're not a shady outfit like some of those NY/NJ operations. The only problem I ever had with them was when they sent me the Superman Returns DVD instead of the HD-DVD I ordered, but they took care of it right away and the whole thing was rectified within a week.

I've ordered a ton of stuff from Buy.com over the years and I'd rank them right up there with Amazon. I don't know where the 2.26 out of 10 reseller rating comes from, but I can guarantee that they're not a shady outfit like some of those NY/NJ operations. The only problem I ever had with them was when they sent me the Superman Returns DVD instead of the HD-DVD I ordered, but they took care of it right away and the whole thing was rectified within a week.

I have never had a problem with Buy.com either always seemed right up with Amazon in my eyes. I think we see another reason why we should trust all of those online reviews.

I didn't make this stuff up. Go to resellerratings.com. It's there in all of its glory. Here I'll help you out...here's the URL -
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Buy

Let's go to epinions...Oh, here's reviews of the private labeled Visa they offer -
http://www.epinions.com/finc-Credit-Cards-Rewards-Merch-First_USA_-_Buy_com/display_~reviews

The question then is whether its worth $150 savings to buy from a site where you might or might not get your purchase in good condition in a timely fashion.

I didn't make this stuff up. Go to resellerratings.com. It's there in all of its glory. Here I'll help you out...here's the URL -
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Buy

Let's go to epinions...Oh, here's reviews of the private labeled Visa they offer -
http://www.epinions.com/finc-Credit-Cards-Rewards-Merch-First_USA_-_Buy_com/display_~reviews

The question then is whether its worth $150 savings to buy from a site where you might or might not get your purchase in good condition in a timely fashion.


Well, like I said before, I've had nothing but positive experiences and I've bought a lot of stuff from them over the years. Maybe I'm just lucky. ;)

Well, like I said before, I've had nothing but positive experiences and I've bought a lot of stuff from them over the years. Maybe I'm just lucky. ;)

've never had a problem with Buy.com OR OnSale.com....but that's already been covered too. It seems to me primarily disgruntled people must leave feedback on these sites.

...or maybe I'm lucky too. I'd have already taken the savings on either of these sites if it weren't for the 10% sales tax in TN that is charged by both. I'm hoping someone else will be discounting them soon.

Look, I don't care either way. You guys had good experiences? Great. That's cool.

But only disgruntled people leave reviews? If that were true why are there so many positive reviews for Crutchfield? 9.79 out of 10.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Crutchfield

Of course you pay a premuim for the peace of mind and the customer service. Me? There's a limited number of hours in every life and I don't want to degrade even a moment of mine worrying about whether I'm gonna get what I ordered without a hassle. Just not worth it to me. Based on those reviews I have about a 22% chance of getting the Samsung for for a great price, delivered on time and in good shape, without having to endure a bait and swith, cross-selling and up-selling. In other words...hassle free.

Crutchfield? I have a 98% chance of a seamless and positive transaction.

ClubMac has the Samsung listed for about $50 more that Onsale but both sites are owned by PC Mall.

Off topic: I've used Buy.com many times for DVD and CD purchases and have never had any problems. Items ship promptly and in good condition. I can recommend them highly based on my experiences.

On topic: This machine looks like a winner. I was almost ready to purchase a Blu-Ray player until the Paramount /Dreamworks announcement. Now, I feel safer hedging my bets with a DF player. I will be pairing this to an ONKYO 875. This could be a big hit for Sammy if it isn't bugged to kingdom come.

Look, I don't care either way. You guys had good experiences? Great. That's cool.

But only disgruntled people leave reviews? If that were true why are there so many positive reviews for Crutchfield? 9.79 out of 10.


I've said the same thing - I could care less where anyone buys from. But as I look a couple of posts above I believe I said "primarily" and not "only" as in your reply.

All I can say is that after multiple transactions I have not had anything but satisfaction from either of the retailers mentioned. I have also bought from crutchfield, visualapex, projectorpeople....the list goes on. The truth is I had just as good of an experience from one vendor to the next. I said it before: maybe I'm just lucky, but I wouldn't hesitate personally.

If you disagree with me, fine. I'm used to it. My wife disagrees with me on a regular basis.

I just ordered an Xbox 360 on buy.com. I'll use this transaction to determine if I trust them for my BD-UP5000. :¬)

By the way, I can't find the BD-UP5000 on buy.com anymore! What gives?

EDIT: Through base.google.com you can still find the direct link:
http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-hi-def-duo-player/q/loc/111/205467082.html

I just ordered an Xbox 360 on buy.com. I'll use this transaction to determine if I trust them for my BD-UP5000. :¬)

By the way, I can't find the BD-UP5000 on buy.com anymore! What gives?

EDIT: Through base.google.com you can still find the direct link:
http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-hi-def-duo-player/q/loc/111/205467082.html

Buy.com is one of my favorite e-sellers behind newegg.com, zipzoomfly.com, and amazon.com. You can buy from them with confidence.

I hope it goes a lot further than that.
Minimum:
SACD
DVD-A
CD
DVD
HDDVD
BD

What's bizarre is that it supports not only VideoCD, but also Super Video CD.

http://www.clubmac.com/clubmac/shop/detail~shcartdisc~1~Redi
r~1~dpno~7295840.asp

Does anyone seriously think there's more demand for SVCD than for SACD or DVD-A?

Does anyone seriously think there's more demand for SVCD than for SACD or DVD-A?
I do... I know a LOT of people with tons of VCDs and SVCDs, and only a couple of people with SACD or DVD-A, so it would not be surprising if VCDs and SVCDs are more popular.

I do... I know a LOT of people with tons of VCDs and SVCDs, and only a couple of people with SACD or DVD-A, so it would not be surprising if VCDs and SVCDs are more popular.

My current Panasonic DVD/VCR combo has DVD-Audio capability (not sure about SACD). And it cost me less than $300 at RadioShack when I bought it nearly a year ago. It can't cost all that much more to add..

Anyone else out there buying one of these to pair with a non-1080p TV?

Anyone else out there buying one of these to pair with a non-1080p TV?

My 65" third-generation Mitsubishi CRT based RPTV is 1080i and does not have HDMI, but I am planning on upgrading to the BD-UP5000.

The component video output, combined with the 7.1 channel analog audio feed should work well enough on my Onkyo TX-DS989S2.

...then a year or so later, I'll pick up a nice state-of-the art 1080p set (hopefully a "larger" 3D capable LED or laser based DLP units) along with a new HDMI receiver. ;)

My 65" third-generation Mitsubishi CRT based RPTV is 1080i and does not have HDMI

...along with a new HDMI receiver

I was considering the same thing right now (the lack of proper speaker setup/bass management on the analogs make them usless AFAIAC), but I am concerned that using HDMI for audio and component for video could knock the AV sync out-of-whack (if such a combo would work at all). Also, the 1400 was reported to have a bug where the sound did not come on for about 4 seconds after the video (when first starting up, chapter skipping, etc). I hope this is not carried over to the 2400 or 5000...

Anyone else out there buying one of these to pair with a non-1080p TV?

I'm thinking about it. I have a 30" Samsung SlimFit 16:9 CRT that does 1080i. Wondering if I'll get a visible improvement over my HDMI-out, upconverting DVD player.

Please everyone stay on topic

Have nothing to add? please move on

Thank you

It's real hard to talk too much about a product that has yet to be released.

People can speculate endlessly about chipsets and functionality, but until this thing actually gets into the hands of consumers, most posts will be just idle chatter.

Lots of excitement surrounds this player as the formats seem to be in a long term standoff. Samsung has broken the advanced sound format barrier with their 1400 player, so expectations are high.

Buying this thing will be the next logical step in the process, so people will want to talk about how to get their hands on it for the least cost.

I heard sometime in October, can you people please be a little more patient? ;)

Anyone else out there buying one of these to pair with a non-1080p TV?

Pioneer Elite PRO 510 is what I will be hooking it to at first. (53" CRT 1080i)

I heard sometime in October, can you people please be a little more patient? ;)

The French product sheet (http://www.samsung-microsites.fr/htsdvd/pdf/BD-UP5000.pdf) says January 2008 but it might arrive in North America earlier.

I am assuming the buy.com link is a preorder?

I heard sometime in October, can you people please be a little more patient? ;)


My local Best Buy has a date of 10/21 for them but I suspect it is just a holder. Since I have not seen anything since CEDIA from Samsung and there it was Q4. And they also have the same date for the 2400 and it seems that at CEDIA it was pushed to Nov.
http://www.cepro.com/article/samsung_to_show_three_high_def_dvd_players_including_dual_fo rmat/K346

A local dealer I do business with shared an e-mail from Samsung with me. It stated the BD-UP5000 would be available in December 2007.
CT

A local dealer I do business with shared an e-mail from Samsung with me. It stated the BD-UP5000 would be available in December 2007.
CT

If that is true that means they have decided to
make it version 1.1 compliant.

If that is true that means they have decided to
make it version 1.1 compliant.

A double-edged sword... I'm impatiently awaiting this player, stuck on non-upconverting SD-DVD! At least it's progressive-scan. :rolleyes:

A local dealer I do business with shared an e-mail from Samsung with me. It stated the BD-UP5000 would be available in December 2007.
CT

This would not suprise me since when they made the annoucements it went 1400 2400 then 5000. And since the 2400 was delayed until Nov at CEDIA. That would push the 5000 to late Nov or Dec. And Just because it was delayed does not mean they decided to make it 1.1. I know I thought it was going to be 1.1 all along even though they have not said yet. Since they are already making players and have some on the market that are due to be replaced,1200. It would be crazy for them to annouce anything as anything as 1.1 right now. They would be stuck with the 1200's and maybe even the 1400's. Since nobody knows for sure if they are 1.0 or 1.1.

My guess is early Dec. since no retailer in their right mind wants to miss Christmas selling.

Since nobody knows for sure if they are 1.0 or 1.1.

My understanding is that all players that ship after Oct 31 are required to be 1.1 (simply announcing the player prior to the deadline is not enough to get around it). Also, Samsung has confirmed that it will indeed be 1.1...

This is an exerpt form blu-ray.com

IFA 2007: Samsung Blu-ray Players and Home Cinema
Posted September 10, 2007 by Iceman

"Despite the market for dual-format high-definition disc players only representing 2-3% of the overall HD player market Samsung felt compelled to introduce a dual-format player, perhaps as a response to South Korean arch-rival LG's introduction of the BH100 earlier this year. The BD-UP5000 Duo HD player, which supports both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, is basically a BD-P2400 with HD-DVD support added to it. We spent some time talking to a Samsung representative and were able to confirm that the BD-UP5000 will support Profile 1.1 (picture-in-picture functionality), but unfortunately we weren't able to get a definitive answer about the other players. The BD-UP5000 Duo HD Player will be released in Q4 2007 and will retail for $999."

My understanding is that all players that ship after Oct 31 are required to be 1.1 (simply announcing the player prior to the deadline is not enough to get around it). Also, Samsung has confirmed that it will indeed be 1.1...

VADER is 100% Correct.

Any player shipped after 10/31/07 MUST BE 1.1 Compliant.

There is no IF's And's or But's.

VADER is 100% Correct.

Any player shipped after 10/31/07 MUST BE 1.1 Compliant.

There is no IF's And's or But's.

Sorry to nitpick and disagree with you once again, but there certainly is an "IF" and "BUT".

As the Blu-ray standards currently stand, any Blu-ray player that is first shipped after 10/31 must be (at least) Profile 1 (Final Standard Profile)- aka Profile 1.1- compliant to meet the standard.

BUT IF a CE manufacturer should decide to first release a Profile 1 (Grace Period Profile)-aka Profile 1.0- player after 10/31, it would not be compliant with Blu-ray standards and likely wouldn't be allowed to display the Blu-ray logo. This situation would be similar to LG's decision to release its first dual format player that did not support the full HD DVD standard without the HD DVD logo. This scenario might be unlikely for a Blu-ray player, but I wouldn't go so far as to inflexibly characterize it as impossible.

Just my 2¢

Also, Samsung has confirmed that it will indeed be 1.1...


With all due respect, that is a quote from a writer for blu-ray.com (hardly an non-biased source ;)), and (IMHO) not a confirmation from Samsung. Who knows what the Samsung representative said vs. what the writer heard. Perhaps the Samsung rep merely mentioned that the player has the hardware to support Profile 1.1, and the writer assumed the rest? The information coming directly from Samsung as to whether the player will be released as a Profile 1.0 or Profile 1.1 player has been conflicting in some cases, so I personally still consider the question up in the air.

...that is a quote from a writer for blu-ray.com (hardly an non-biased source)...

Do'h! I had no idea that came from smurf central. I need to check my sources a little better before blindly quoting something as fact (blu-ray.com has that market cornered, anyway)...:o:o Thank you for the correction...:)

Samsung would have to be nuts not to have this player out by Nov. This is the biggest buying season of the year! If they wait to long after this they will lose out on many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$.

Samsung would have to be nuts not to have this player out by Nov. This is the biggest buying season of the year! If they wait to long after this they will lose out on many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$.


As long as it is out in force by Dec. 22 they will do ok. Most people think that the day after Thanksgiving, black Friday, is the busiest shopping day of the year. They get more foot traffic on that day but the most money is made the Saturday before Christmas.

As long as it is out in force by Dec. 22 they will do ok. Most people think that the day after Thanksgiving, black Friday, is the busiest shopping day of the year. They get more foot traffic on that day but the most money is made the Saturday before Christmas.

WHO has any MONEY left - that close to Christmas :eek:

Samsung would have to be nuts not to have this player out by Nov. This is the biggest buying season of the year! If they wait to long after this they will lose out on many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$.

Yeah I agree; hopefully we won't have to wait 'till December for this thing.

Amazon's still got it slated for Nov 1, but of course it simply may not have been updated.

WHO has any MONEY left - that close to Christmas :eek:


Apparently more poeple than you think. :D

Apparently more poeple than you think. :D

I guess we call those PEOPLE one of two things ---

1) Rich

or
2) Procrastinators http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

As long as it is out in force by Dec. 22 they will do ok. Most people think that the day after Thanksgiving, black Friday, is the busiest shopping day of the year. They get more foot traffic on that day but the most money is made the Saturday before Christmas.


It varries year-to-year; sometimes it's the Saturday before Christmas, and sometimes it's the last full shopping day before christmas, usually the 23rd.

You could hand people some packing peanuts, and say their mother would love a bag, and someone would certainly just buy it to save time.

Hi All, here is Samsung press relese about new players
Artur
SAMSUNG INTRODUCES AN EXPANDED LINE-UP OF
3RD GENERATION HIGH-DEF PLAYERS
New Line of Blu-ray Players Enlivens Home Cinema Experience with Advanced HD Audio Playback, 1080P Resolution, and 24 Movie Frames-per-second Capability
Samsung's First Dual-Format HD Player, the BD-UP5000 Duo HD
Offers Support for Blu-ray and HD-DVD
New HT-BD2 Combines HD Quality Movie Viewing with Powerful Audio Performance
RIDGEFIELD PARK, N.J., July 25, 2007 – Samsung Electronics, a market leader and award winning innovator in consumer electronics, expands its line up of high-definition optical disc players, with the launch of the BD-P1400, BD-P2400 and BD-UP5000, as well as the first HD Home Theater solution featuring Blu-ray disc (BD) playback. Now home entertainment aficionados can enjoy the closest experience to going to the movies in their own home. Building on the success of Samsung's BD-P1000 (the first Blu-ray player in the US Market) and the second-generation BD-P1200, the all-new lineup quenches consumers’ thirst for not only the best video possible, but also high quality audio in a hi-definition disc player.
“Samsung is excited to introduce a new line of high-definition players that will enrich the theater experience at home,” said Reid Sullivan, vice president of Digital AV marketing at Samsung Electronics. “In 2007, the market for stand-alone high def players will grow more than 6 times to over 850 thousand units. From the top-of-the-line BD-UP5000 to the entry BD-P1400 to the company’s first home theater system with Blu-ray disc playback,
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Samsung offers a range of products at different price points to suit the growing consumer demand.”
BD-UP5000 Duo HD Player
Samsung introduces its first dual-format High-Definition (HD) optical disc player, the BD-UP5000 Duo HD Player. This player is positioned as the flagship in the company’s growing line of high definition players. Offering the same playback capabilities of the BD-P2400 including HQV (Hollywood Quality Video) processing, the BD-UP5000 supports both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats as well as their interactive technologies, HDi and BD-Java. Consumers can now enjoy additional studio content such as trailers, director’s comments, more elaborate interactive menus and behind the scene footage.
With the launch of the Duo HD, Samsung stays true to its commitment to develop products that make life simpler through its breadth of innovative technologies. The Duo HD player blends the benefits of each format in a single player, offering access to hi-definition movie titles regardless of the authoring format.
HT-BD2 Home Theater Solution with Blu-ray
Consumers can now enjoy the full HD 1080p cinematic video quality of a Samsung Blu-ray disc player and Samsung's full HD 1080p TVs with an immersive audio experience that takes watching movies to a whole new level. The HT-BD2 7.1 channel HD receiver / speaker system provides rich, powerful sound. With its slick, piano black design and soft blue LED accents, the HT-BD2 augments both the audio presence and visual aesthetics of home theater to a new level. A fully powered subwoofer, accentuated by four tower speakers, a center channel speaker, and two satellite rear speakers, give the HT-BD2 a rumbling 1,100 Watts of total output power to keep movie and audio fans satisfied.
For a truly cinematic home theater viewing experience, the HT-BD2's Blu-ray player offers full compatibility with 24 movie frames per second playback. Since most movies are filmed at 24 frames per second, the HT-BD2 will be able to playback movies in their native format, significantly reducing unwanted artifacts. Setting the player’s Movie Frame (24Fs) feature to ON allows the consumer to adjust the HDMI 1.3 output to 24 frames per second for a
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crisp, theater-like experience. The HT-BD2 also supports 60Fs for enhanced compatibility with many of today’s HDTVs.
BD-P1400 and BD-P2400 Blu-ray Players
Samsung's new BD player lineup offers full compatibility with 24 movie frames per second playback. Since most movies are filmed at 24 frames per second, these new Samsung Blu-ray players will be able to playback movies in their native format, significantly reducing unwanted artifacts. Setting the player’s Movie Frame (24Fs) feature to ON allows the consumer to adjust the HDMI 1.3 output to 24 frames per second for a crisp, theater-like experience. Each of these players will also support 60Fs for enhanced compatibility with many of today’s HDTVs.
Not only is it important for movies to look good, but also they need to sound good. Samsung's latest BD players complete consumers' HD total home theater experience with advanced HD audio decoding. Beyond standard Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus and DTS audio playback, the BD-P1400 and BD-P2400 will work with lossless formats including DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD for a variety of clear, full-bodied sound options. When coupled with the HDMI 1.3 connection, consumers can enjoy some of the purest sound available today.
The HDMI 1.3 connection also offers HDMI CEC (Anynet+) technology, allowing consumers to use a single remote control to operate the BD player, TV and other A/V products from Samsung. Additionally, each model is able to up-convert standard DVD discs to full HD 1080p resolution via the HDMI connection, bringing consumers' DVD movie collections into the next generation.
Finishing off the BD-P2400's expansive feature list, the built-in Hollywood Quality Video (HQV) processor, a powerful unit similar to those used by Hollywood production studios, enables true 1080i to 1080p HD de-interlacing for some of the best HD images possible — even from DVD formats. It is a great option to ensure full optimization of HD and SD libraries.
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For those with extensive DVD collections, the BD-P2400 and BD-P1400 models include backward compatibility with standard DVD and CD formats (including DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, CD, CD-R and CD-RW). Playback of multimedia content in a variety of different formats is quick and easy at 720p, 1080i and 1080p resolutions. The “Easy Top Menu” allows consumers to change font and color of subtitles and menu titles according to their tastes, as well as the background color and menu graphics.
Specifications

BD-UP5000Specifications

Video
• Blu-ray and HD DVD playback at content native HD resolution of 1080p/1080i/720p
• 1080p 24fps playback on Blu-ray and HD DVD
• HQV video up-conversion processing (1920x1080)
• Selectable DVD upconversion via HQV processor (720p/1080i/1080p
Audio
• Stereo and 5.1/7.1-channel audio outputs
• Coaxial and optical digital audio outputs
• Dolby® Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS®
• dts-HD HR, MA (upgradeable by firmware)
Playable Media
• BD-ROM, BD-R, HD DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, CD, CD-R, CD-RW
Other Features
• HDMI 1.3 digital interface
• Component Video Output
• S-Video Output
• Composite Video Output
• MPEG2, VC-1, H.264, HD JPEG decoding
• BD-Java
• Full HDi capability viaHD DVD
• HDMI CEC
• Ethernet port
• Coaxial and optical digital audio outputs
Estimated Selling Price
$999
Availability
4Q 2007

Grrr. They *still* don't say whether HD lossless audio formats will be by bitstream (HDMI 1.3) only or if they will support deocding inside the player and ouput a HD PCM audio stream over HDMI.

Grrr. They *still* don't say whether HD lossless audio formats will be by bitstream (HDMI 1.3) only or if they will support deocding inside the player and ouput a HD PCM audio stream over HDMI.

if you read the editors note in this review it says that it will do onboard decoding of all the audio formats including dts-hd ma.

click this link...
cnet review (http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/samsung-bd-up5000/4505-6463_7-32553618.html)

if you read this article it also mentions that it will bitstream all the audio formats
crave cnet link (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9778543-1.html)

Grrr. They *still* don't say whether HD lossless audio formats will be by bitstream (HDMI 1.3) only or if they will support deocding inside the player and ouput a HD PCM audio stream over HDMI.

Well the press-release in the post above yours is from July, so it isn't any new info - it is quite stale, in fact.

This is one player I'll be keeping an eye on, price-wise, to replace/supplement my A2 and S300.

Some fresh news would sure be nice, but I think we won't hear anything until a week or two before it hits the streets. Which could be a while...

shinksma

I wonder how incompatible such a device would be with future Blu-Ray disks...the uncertainty is the only thing keeping me away. This wouldn't be a light purchase but one that would be utilized for years to come.

I am still a little confused about the full features of this player. I see that it will have 7.1 analog output but I see no mention of being sacd and dvd-a compatible. Does anyone have any more insight in regards to these two audio formats?

I am still a little confused about the full features of this player. I see that it will have 7.1 analog output but I see no mention of being sacd and dvd-a compatible. Does anyone have any more insight in regards to these two audio formats?

They are not included on this player.

if you read the editors note in this review it says that it will do onboard decoding of all the audio formats including dts-hd ma.

click this link...
cnet review (http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/samsung-bd-up5000/4505-6463_7-32553618.html)

if you read this article it also mentions that it will bitstream all the audio formats
crave cnet link (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9778543-1.html)

Well, if that's indeed the case, this looks like the winning solution for me.

BD-UP5000 Availability per ABT Electronics... for what it's worth

ME: Do you know when the BD-UP5000 will be available? I bought my last disk player from you guys and was really happy with you so I'm interested in this product when you get it.

A representative will be with you in about a minute.

[Conrad Sivek - A representative has joined the session.]

Conrad Sivek: ETA Nov 25th

Ugh, I was hoping for sooner rather than later. :(

Looks like it'll be a happy thanksgiving. I'd rather see them delay it a little and make sure most of the kinks have been worked out. We've waited this long, what's another month?

Conrad Sivek: ETA Nov 25th

Amazon - who I have great trust in - HAD BEEN
Showing a November 1 Date.

NOW they have updated their availability to UNKNOWN.

Well, according to the Blu Ray Players thread, the 2400 has been cancelled (not postponed, cancelled). Since the 5000 was (to my understanding) supposed to be the same model, except with HD-DVD capability added, I wonder how this bodes for the duo unit?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915359

:confused: Sure would be nice if Samsung came out and squashed all the speculation with an announcement on availability. Don't think I could wait until the end of Nov. anyway.

Glad I didn't sell my XA2 yet :eek: .

Well, according to the Blu Ray Players thread, the 2400 has been cancelled (not postponed, cancelled). Since the 5000 was (to my understanding) supposed to be the same model, except with HD-DVD capability added, I wonder how this bodes for the duo unit?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915359

It bodes well in my estimation, it (the 5000) hasn't been canceled :).

It bodes well in my estimation, it (the 5000) hasn't been canceled :).


Well I read it the exact opposite as you. If the Blu-ray player that this one is modeled after is gone. Just a rumor as of now. Then I would think it has hit the chopping block as well. But until we see a Samsung press release either way it is all speculation.

I also believe that it bodes well. Why would someone buy the 2400, when for a few dollars more, they could get the 5000 *and* HD DVD capability?

I just said screw it and bought the XA2 and a PS3....total was $950 and I am happy with that. Enough of the waiting.

I don't think there's any chance Samsung pulls the plug on the 5000 at this late stage in the game. They've already put too much $$$ into R&D to just scrap the whole thing.

If it's true that Samsung is abandoning the 2400 (which has still yet to be substantiated) I would speculate that they may be consolidating their R&D and manufacturing efforts toward the 5000.

Think about it. Given that there is no end to the format war for the foreseeable future, and prices on format specific players are dropping quickly, wouldn't it be prudent for them to pool their resources toward a single solution? Perhaps by retooling the production line, Samsung can further reduce their costs and bring the 5000 in at a price that will be more competitive.

Take this however you like as it is 80% speculation and 20% wishing on my morning star. ;)

Cheers,
Spence

If it's true that Samsung is abandoning the 2400 (which has still yet to be substantiated) I would speculate that they may be consolidating their R&D and manufacturing efforts toward the 5000.

Think about it. Given that there is no end to the format war for the foreseeable future, and prices on format specific players are dropping quickly, wouldn't it be prudent for them to pool their resources toward a single solution? Perhaps by retooling the production line, Samsung can further reduce their costs and bring the 5000 in at a price that will be more competitive.

Take this however you like as it is 80% speculation and 20% wishing on my morning star. ;)

Cheers,
Spence

My thoughts exactly. This makes alot of sense. Only one other player with a combo on the market right now.

Stace

If it's true that Samsung is abandoning the 2400 (which has still yet to be substantiated) I would speculate that they may be consolidating their R&D and manufacturing efforts toward the 5000.

Think about it. Given that there is no end to the format war for the foreseeable future, and prices on format specific players are dropping quickly, wouldn't it be prudent for them to pool their resources toward a single solution? Perhaps by retooling the production line, Samsung can further reduce their costs and bring the 5000 in at a price that will be more competitive.

Take this however you like as it is 80% speculation and 20% wishing on my morning star. ;)

Cheers,
Spence

Thanks for the sharing of [Spencer Place]. :D Very-Cool :cool:

I really like the DVD Collection:

Terry

The 5000 has been moved back to December according to this: :(

http://wesleytech.com/samsung-bdp-2400-blu-ray-player-canceled/380/

The 5000 has been moved back to December according to this: :(

http://wesleytech.com/samsung-bdp-2400-blu-ray-player-canceled/380/

This is really starting to piss me off. I'm trying to be as patient as possible, but I'm getting close to just saying "screw it" and buying a PS3 or another stand-alone Blu Ray player. :mad:

This is really starting to piss me off. I'm trying to be as patient as possible, but I'm getting close to just saying "screw it" and buying a PS3 or another stand-alone Blu Ray player.

I agree, my patience is wearing thin :mad:. Thanks for the heads-up Ken.

The 5000 has been moved back to December according to this: :(

http://wesleytech.com/samsung-bdp-2400-blu-ray-player-canceled/380/

Ugghhh

The 5000 has been moved back to December according to this: :(

http://wesleytech.com/samsung-bdp-2400-blu-ray-player-canceled/380/

Interesting:

Update: The Samsung BD-UP5000 has been moved back to December. The BD-UP5000 is a dual-format player and with this new release date means it is a minimum 1.1 spec, but it has all the required hardware to be a 2.0 spec. This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.

Terry

They need to make it worth the wait and lower the price. If this could street for $599, it would sell like hotcakes. Just wishful thinking, we can all dream, right? :)

They need to make it worth the wait and lower the price. If this could street for $599, it would sell like hotcakes. Just wishful thinking, we can all dream, right? :)

Matt,

I think it is still worth waiting on. I personally will wait. I bet it is going to be worth the wait once it is released for Sale.

All things worth having usually do not happen over-night: :D

Terry
BTW, Heck I have waited this long for a Top-of-the-Line-DVD Dual Player so what is a little longer: ;)

Interesting:

Update: The Samsung BD-UP5000 has been moved back to December. The BD-UP5000 is a dual-format player and with this new release date means it is a minimum 1.1 spec, but it has all the required hardware to be a 2.0 spec. This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.

Terry
Interesting. Just yesterday I called Onsale.com and Macmall and they each told me that they were expecting units on Oct. 5. I'm still hopefull...

Interesting. Just yesterday I called Onsale.com and Macmall and they each told me that they were expecting units on Oct. 5. I'm still hopefull...

Don't forget to let us know: :D

Terry

Just yesterday I called Onsale.com and Macmall and they each told me that they were expecting units on Oct. 5.

May not mean much - they are affiliate companies so may get the same wrong information from the same place. I hope you are right, however.

Matt,

I think it is still worth waiting on. I personally will wait. I bet it is going to be worth the wait once it is released for Sale.

All things worth having usually do not happen over-night: :D

Terry
BTW, Heck I have waited this long for a Top-of-the-Line-DVD Dual Player so what is a little longer: ;)
I'm with you TigerHonaker!

I'd rather have it done right ...the first time! As a customer of Microsoft and Dish Network, I know full well how well a product 'rushed to market' perfoms.

The very same people frustrated, would be the first people to cry foul over a lack of features or a bug ridden product.

Be patient my friends. The format war isn't going anywhere for a while.

This is really starting to piss me off. I'm trying to be as patient as possible, but I'm getting close to just saying "screw it" and buying a PS3 or another stand-alone Blu Ray player. :mad:

get the bdp1400. I dropped my ps3 to get this one. Bitstream/decoding of DTS-HD MA.

This is really starting to piss me off. I'm trying to be as patient as possible, but I'm getting close to just saying "screw it" and buying a PS3 or another stand-alone Blu Ray player. :mad:

Exactly why I bought the XA2 at the end of August when Amazon had that HOT deal. I couldn't wait any longer and I figured I could spend the extra money on more movies. In time I could get a PS3 which won't be replaced any time soon and will still be an excellent Blu-Ray player.

I'm with you TigerHonaker!

I'd rather have it done right ...the first time! As a customer of Microsoft and Dish Network, I know full well how well a product 'rushed to market' perfoms.

The very same people frustrated, would be the first people to cry foul over a lack of features or a bug ridden product.

Be patient my friends. The format war isn't going anywhere for a while.

Spence,

Your a Very-Wise Man, Good Decision my Friend: :cool:

Terry

May not mean much - they are affiliate companies so may get the same wrong information from the same place. I hope you are right, however.

I thought they were unrelated companies. Oh well...

Spence,

Your a Very-Wise Man, Good Decision my Friend: :cool:

Terry

Delayed gratification is a very adult virtue.

Instead of waiting I am going Sammy 1400 and Toshiba 35. Hate to take up the shelf space although but what the heck.

Delayed gratification is a very adult virtue.

That may be true. While I certainly want one as fast as the rest of you, I want it to be 'ready', with all available bells & whistles, and hopefully at a price that won't pop up on my loving (and very patient) wife's radar. ;)

Spence

Me, Samsung just sold me an Onkyo 805 HD-DVD player, and and unknown BD next summer (prolly a Panny)...

Delayed gratification is a very adult virtue.

A very wise man, I believe his name was Butt-head, once said "waiting for stuff sucks". ;)

From: http://wesleytech.com/samsung-bdp-24...-canceled/380/

Earlier this year, Samsung announced two BD players and a dual-format player. The BDP-2400 was the higher-end model featuring the Silicon Optix HQV Reon processor, and the BDP-1400 was the consumer-level product with nearly identical specs but without the HQV

That's odd. This calls into question the writer of this article's accuracy?

He says that the 2400 was the "higher-end model"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 5000 designed with the same HQV processor? If I'm right, AND the 5000 is a dual format player, wouldn't that make the 5000 the "higher-end model"?

So now I'm wondering. I've never heard of WesleyTech before (but I can't say as I've done much reading lately). Is the site legit or accurate? If it is a real column, does it favor HD DVD over Blu-Ray and could it be prone to spreading false information to get those waiting on a given player to give up on waiting and start purchasing separates?

I also haven't searched much, but none of my RSS feeds are popping up with anything pertaining to the 2400 being canceled, or the 5000 being released in December.

Does anyone have any other links which may confirm that column's claims? Every associated posting I've read goes back to the WesleyTech. There is no other independent article, so far as I am able to locate that would corroborate that posting's claims.

I haven't seen this listed anywhere else and the rumor of the 2400 broke at least a day ago and it would be popping up on more sites by now don't you think?

I'm just sayin...

Thanks,
Spence

That's odd. This calls into question the writer of this article's accuracy?

He says that the 2400 was the "higher-end model"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 5000 designed with the same HQV processor? If I'm right, AND the 5000 is a dual format player, wouldn't that make the 5000 the "higher-end model"?I believe that the comparison was between the 1400 and the 2400, with the 2400 being the "higher end model".

Earlier this year, Samsung announced two BD players and a dual-format player. The BDP-2400 was the higher-end model featuring the Silicon Optix HQV Reon processor, and the BDP-1400 was the consumer-level product with nearly identical specs but without the HQV chipset.

So there you go! I've re-read it and see that now, thanks Enigma, for setting me straight!

...but it still doesn't explain why I've not seen this news posted anywhere that doesn't reference back to WesleyTech.

There isn't even any announcement from Samsung... not on the news release page of their site anyway.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/news/supportNewsAlertsList.do

Thanks,
Spence

Those looking at the UP5000 might want to check out the thread on the P1400, several people have reported problems with how that player is handling 5.1 PCM uncompressed. It's sending it in a way that doesn't allow receivers to apply a lot of post-processing modes, including THX Ultra2. The receivers are reading the signal as 7.1 PCM instead of 5.1 (all 7 speaker indicators are lighting up), so maybe that's the problem. If the P1400 is doing this, I would imagine the 5000 would too

Those looking at the UP5000 might want to check out the thread on the P1400, several people have reported problems with how that player is handling 5.1 PCM uncompressed. It's sending it in a way that doesn't allow receivers to apply a lot of post-processing modes, including THX Ultra2. The receivers are reading the signal as 7.1 PCM instead of 5.1 (all 7 speaker indicators are lighting up), so maybe that's the problem. If the P1400 is doing this, I would imagine the 5000 would too

I don't like to apply any post-processors to the original track, so this isn't a problem for me.

I don't like to apply any post-processors to the original track, so this isn't a problem for me.
Well in my case, I like to use all 7 speakers of my system, so having 5.1 sound, no matter how good it may be, just doesn't cut it. That's why I like using Ultra2 even when using Dolby TrueHD and PCM uncompressed

Well in my case, I like to use all 7 speakers of my system, so having 5.1 sound, no matter how good it may be, just doesn't cut it. That's why I like using Ultra2 even when using Dolby TrueHD and PCM uncompressed

:D Agreed, that is why I spent the "Money" for the 7.1 Surround System: :rolleyes:


Terry

Instead of waiting I am going Sammy 1400 and Toshiba 35. Hate to take up the shelf space although but what the heck.

I'm actually thinking this also... FYI: check in with Robert at Value Electronics for their combo price...

Those looking at the UP5000 might want to check out the thread on the P1400, several people have reported problems with how that player is handling 5.1 PCM uncompressed. It's sending it in a way that doesn't allow receivers to apply a lot of post-processing modes, including THX Ultra2. The receivers are reading the signal as 7.1 PCM instead of 5.1 (all 7 speaker indicators are lighting up), so maybe that's the problem. If the P1400 is doing this, I would imagine the 5000 would too

They're also trying to get all P1400 owners that are bothered by this to write/call Samsung and complain in order to (hopefully) get a firmware update... that would also alert Samsung and now they have 'till December to "fix" it in the UP5000.

They're also trying to get all P1400 owners that are bothered by this to write/call Samsung and complain in order to (hopefully) get a firmware update... that would also alert Samsung and now they have 'till December to "fix" it in the UP5000.
I know - I'm one of the guys that called Samsung about the problem :)

This is really frustrating. The 1400 (the only one that for sure is coming out this year)
has no Reon chip. The bdp-2400 may never come out and the 5000 may not come out till next year! The only sure way to get what I want is to buy a Samsung 1200 ( with Reon chip) and also get a Toshiba. I guess Samsung just does not want my money!

Interesting - still no other breaking news regarding the status Samsung's 2400 or 5000. Nothing even from TWICE (This Week in Consumer Electronics), which has nothing stating that the 2400 has been canceled or that the 5000 has been pushed back to December.

Did either unit have a firm release date? I recall both were listed as "4th quarter".

Spence

It would be nice if Samsung would issue a press release to help clear things up a bit.

Okay - so FINALLY this news starts popping up elsewhere.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/01/samsung-pulls-plug-on-bdp-2400-delays-bd-up5000/
(http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/01/samsung-pulls-plug-on-bdp-2400-delays-bd-up5000/)

...of course it points right back to that "WesleyTech" article so I'm still wondering if this is anything other than a rumor because Samsung has not made any type of release.

Spence

Okay - so FINALLY this news starts popping up elsewhere.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/01/samsung-pulls-plug-on-bdp-2400-delays-bd-up5000/
(http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/01/samsung-pulls-plug-on-bdp-2400-delays-bd-up5000/)

...of course it points right back to that "WesleyTech" article so I'm still wondering if this is anything other than a rumor because Samsung has not made any type of release.

Spence

Well if it's pushed back to December then I'm waiting for Denon's dual format offering to show up and will pick up a cheap BD player for now. Although, you would think engadget would at least verify before posting that news, has anyone been able to get 100% confirmation one way or the other?

Well if it's pushed back to December then I'm waiting for Denon's dual format offering to show up

Will the Denon have Reon?

edit- nevermind, looks like the Realta. But $2k? Yikes!

Will the Denon have Reon?

edit- nevermind, looks like the Realta. But $2k? Yikes!

AFIK $2k is the Blu Ray only player, other than speculation based on an interview with Denon, I haven't heard anything on an actual announced dual format player.

No kidding. The $2k Denon is for BR only? Not sure what market they are targeting. That is quite a premium.

The Denon 2900 I have was not trouble free. The Sammy looks better and better no matter what the release date.

What hardware would require such a price tag in the player? I understand that you have to get a return on investing in a new technology, but the multiple in price over the competition leaves me wondering. What would a Krell or Meridian charge if they get into the HD player market?

Denon is way too overpriced for me(especially since a dual player by them would likely be somewhere in the $2500-3000 range). I'm going to try being patient and waiting for the Samsung, but if it really has been pushed back to December that's gonna be a long wait.

Denon is way too overpriced for me(especially since a dual player by them would likely be somewhere in the $2500-3000 range). I'm going to try being patient and waiting for the Samsung, but if it really has been pushed back to December that's gonna be a long wait.


You can always go LG! :D

No kidding. The $2k Denon is for BR only? Not sure what market they are targeting. That is quite a premium.

The Denon 2900 I have was not trouble free. The Sammy looks better and better no matter what the release date.

What hardware would require such a price tag in the player? I understand that you have to get a return on investing in a new technology, but the multiple in price over the competition leaves me wondering. What would a Krell or Meridian charge if they get into the HD player market?

Denon is like Monster... an overpriced name. Nothing in their machine is going to justify that price.

Justin

Denon is like Monster... an overpriced name. Nothing in their machine is going to justify that price.

Justin

I'm not a fan of Denon, but in all honesty, until they release a player how would you know what its worth?

It will be interesting to see how Denon and other premium brands differentiate themselves from the rest of the market.

Where to preorder up5000?
Thanks
Terry

Where to preorder up5000?
Thanks
Terry

http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail~dpno~7295840~discount~220.0000.aspx

No kidding. The $2k Denon is for BR only? Not sure what market they are targeting. That is quite a premium.

The Denon 2900 I have was not trouble free. The Sammy looks better and better no matter what the release date.



They target those that can afford it obviously. It's difficult to put a value on some electronics in this goofy world but you know that Krell, Meridian and the likes are going to offer players in the over $5k range - possibly even in the $10k range because someone will by them.

I had a 3800 here and it was an exceptional unit, built like a tank and fantastic analog audio. What would separate a Denon offering from the Samsung would be likely be more of the same - solid build quality, and exceptional analog output quality. This will have a tremendous value for those that don't have pre-pro that can decode the new formats, but that have a 7.1 analog input.

I wouldn't in any way equate Denon to Monster - that's just naive. Denon has quality products and makes them available in all price points. Generally with Denon they seem to always put out the reference stuff first and the technologies then trickle down to the various price-points a bit later.

Monster just charges outrageous prices for stuff that doesn't do anything to improve sound.

Well, Onsale.com said the "market release" would be Oct 4, so they should get their shipment of this by Oct 5, which they "say" is the word from Samsung. This obviously conflicts with the rampant rumors that the unit is postponed. I guess we'll wait and see. . . .

Well, Onsale.com said the "market release" would be Oct 4, so they should get their shipment of this by Oct 5, which they "say" is the word from Samsung. This obviously conflicts with the rampant rumors that the unit is postponed. I guess we'll wait and see. . . .

That's interesting - I hope the same it's the same date up here in Canada cause I called them and they won't ship up here - seems like a decent price too..

Well, Onsale.com said the "market release" would be Oct 4, so they should get their shipment of this by Oct 5, which they "say" is the word from Samsung. This obviously conflicts with the rampant rumors that the unit is postponed. I guess we'll wait and see. . . .


Now, does anyone really think that onsale is going to get them? :)

That's interesting - I hope the same it's the same date up here in Canada cause I called them and they won't ship up here - seems like a decent price too..

I'm in Vancouver and if you are Direct Buy member, you can order this player now. Mine shows an arrival date of Nov. 9th.....

Thanks for that info.

I'm in Vancouver and if you are Direct Buy member, you can order this player now. Mine shows an arrival date of Nov. 9th.....

Thanks for the heads up! It looks like your right and the price is pretty good too.

I'm in Vancouver and if you are Direct Buy member, you can order this player now. Mine shows an arrival date of Nov. 9th.....

This matches closely with Amazon's Nov 1 date, too.

Please help me understand this upscaling quality question please,

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35)

Please help me understand this upscaling quality question please, I want to future proof and get the best one now...

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35)

I honestly don't think you can "future proof" your a/v equipment. Standards change so quickly these days that I don't think anybody can keep up. Not unless you want to be completely broke the rest of your life. :)

Please help me understand this upscaling quality question please, I want to future proof and get the best one now...

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35)

How would anyone know since the Samsung unit is not available yet?

fafner

I'll rephrase it down to my main question..

Please help me understand this upscaling quality question please,

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35) ?

We've all heard about the exceptional upscaler ability of the Toshiba, but will this new Sammy's upscaler equal or excede the Toshiba?

I well realize that the Sammy isn't out yet, but I just thought there would be those that know the electronics of it to have a good idea

Well, no, I don't have the greatest faith in onsale.com, but at least it's providing amusing information while we wait in the dark. I love false hopes. . . .

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35) ?

We've all heard about the exceptional upscaler ability of the Toshiba, but will this new Sammy's upscaler equal or excede the Toshiba?Unless they change the specs between previous announcements and actual delivery; then this player will use the same Reon chip that the XA2 uses; which is generally considered to be better than most other competing solutions in these price ranges; which would include the A35, I would expect (I think the A35 uses an ABT chip).

The now discontinued Sammy 1200 used the Reon chip as well; and tests done on both it and the XA2 by the secrets of home theater guys showed them both to be exceptional at de-interlacing and scaling, and pretty much identical from what I recall. I've seen posts by member here saying that XA2 was better, but no professional reviews.

I don't know if Tosh is going to continue to produce the XA2, or is going to leave that price point for Onkyo, as there is no announcement of an XA3.

Well, Onsale.com said the "market release" would be Oct 4, so they should get their shipment of this by Oct 5, which they "say" is the word from Samsung. This obviously conflicts with the rampant rumors that the unit is postponed. I guess we'll wait and see. . . .

:confused: Man one could get and stay CONFUSED reading about the Samsung. :confused:

This should be interesting to see if they get and ship the Samsung as the dates Quoted:


Terry
I'm still in as far as wanting the Samsung even if it is in December. :D

News of the 2400 cancellation and delay of the 5000 still unconfirmed by Samsung.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/samsung/samsung-hybrid-bd+up5000-delayed-306357.php
(http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/samsung/samsung-hybrid-bd+up5000-delayed-306357.php)

I'm not 100% sure the A35 has the Reon chip that the XA2 has -- and that's what was responsible for the latter's impressive upscaling capabilities. Without the Reon chip, the A35 likely won't match the 5000's upscaling performance, which does have the Reon chip.

Most people comparing the upscaling capabilities of the Samsung 1200 with Reon have compared it very favorably to the XA2. Now one could make the leap that the 5000 with the exact same chip would do at least as well.

I'll rephrase it down to my main question..

Please help me understand this upscaling quality question please,

Will the Sammy BD-UP5000 with its fancy up-scaler at least equal the well known quality of the Toshiba HD-XA2 upscaler (or newer HD-A35) ?

We've all heard about the exceptional upscaler ability of the Toshiba, but will this new Sammy's upscaler equal or excede the Toshiba?

I well realize that the Sammy isn't out yet, but I just thought there would be those that know the electronics of it to have a good idea

And that's what I get for not reading far enough down.

Doh! :eek:

Unless they change the specs between previous announcements and actual delivery; then this player will use the same Reon chip that the XA2 uses; which is generally considered to be better than most other competing solutions in these price ranges; which would include the A35, I would expect (I think the A35 uses an ABT chip).

The now discontinued Sammy 1200 used the Reon chip as well; and tests done on both it and the XA2 by the secrets of home theater guys showed them both to be exceptional at de-interlacing and scaling, and pretty much identical from what I recall. I've seen posts by member here saying that XA2 was better, but no professional reviews.

I don't know if Tosh is going to continue to produce the XA2, or is going to leave that price point for Onkyo, as there is no announcement of an XA3.

Thank you Eginma & Archangel for Both your replies have been most informative each one,

Surley the leap that the 5000 with the exact same chip would do at least as well would make sense, since why would they go backwards in quality..

sincerely thanks for the replies
I think I'll ...try.. and wait for the BD-UP5000 to come out, if I can hold out that long.

Thank you Eginma & Archangel for Both your replies have been most informative each one,

Surley the leap that the 5000 with the exact same chip would do at least as well would make sense, since why would they go backwards in quality..

sincerely thanks for the replies
I think I'll ...try.. and wait for the BD-UP5000 to come out, if I can hold out that long.
You are quite welcome!

I know I'm going to try and wait for this player -- as it turns out, it was going to be this player or the Samsung 2400 -- which may or may not be cancelled. So, chances are, I'll just wait until at least December and get this player.

You are quite welcome!

I know I'm going to try and wait for this player -- as it turns out, it was going to be this player or the Samsung 2400 -- which may or may not be cancelled. So, chances are, I'll just wait until at least December and get this player.

Members:

I say let us all stay "Calm" and develop some "Patience". The Samsung I think will be worth the wait even if it is????....... a couple of Month's away. :D

Terry
Personally, I'm going to wait: :)

It will cost $169.99 for an additional 3 years (total of 4) and if you do not have an authorized repair center they will ship you a box to have it sent back to them at no charge. The rep said that I should purchase it as soon as possible as the rates change but I can purchase it over the course of the original warranty period. Now I just need to get one.:D

Just got a new mail brochure from Crutchfield and they are showing the BD-UP5000 at 799.00.

Just got a new mail brochure from Crutchfield and they are showing the BD-UP5000 at 799.00.

Crutchfield's prices are almost always on the high side of good! This means we should see it on 1-Call.com or Buy.com for less!

Nothing listed on Crutchfield's site.

...does Crutchfield list any availability date?

Spence

P.S. Does anyone know why AVS would sensor the correct spelling of 1-Call.com?

I also received Crutchfield yesterday and I am of the opinion that (if their price is 799.00) they are rarely the "loss leader" in prices, though high on customer service, that the big box retailers will surely sell it for less. I don't think we will see $499.00, but maybe $599.00. Have to see what happens once they arrive in the stores. High demand could make the 799 price a bargain.

I also received Crutchfield yesterday and I am of the opinion that (if their price is 799.00) they are rarely the "loss leader" in prices, though high on customer service, that the big box retailers will surely sell it for less. I don't think we will see $499.00, but maybe $599.00. Have to see what happens once they arrive in the stores. High demand could make the 799 price a bargain.

My experience with Crutchfield is - They get products
early in the cycle and deliver and back their products
if there are any problems.

The other experience is - they usually sell at MSRP.
Therefore $799 looks like a BARGAIN.

The player is NOT on their website.

I may call Crutchfield today and see what they say about availability.

I may call Crutchfield today and see what they say about availability.

Keep us all in the loop :D

I also received Crutchfield yesterday and I am of the opinion that (if their price is 799.00) they are rarely the "loss leader" in prices, though high on customer service, that the big box retailers will surely sell it for less. I don't think we will see $499.00, but maybe $599.00. Have to see what happens once they arrive in the stores. High demand could make the 799 price a bargain.
I think 599 for this player is unrealistic, considering the MSRP for the P1400 is 499 and the MSRP for the possibly defunct P2400 is 599. If anything I would think the Crutchfield price is a misprint, for as one poster noted Crutchfield usually sells at MSRP

Talked to the Crutchfield call center rep and they are not yet showing it. He says this is not an uncommon experience since products often show up in their catalogs in advance of actual sales. They are also not taking orders either until it shows up on their system. His suggestion was just to check the web site periodically.

I live within 50 miles of Crutchfield's retail store and can go there and look at the player when it becomes available.

Does it bug anyone else that AVS would put a link to an article on their home page which states that the Samsung would be delayed - but when you read the article is plainly says that Samsung has not confirmed that?

Yes - it is yet ANOTHER daisy-chain unconfirmed report. Please people - CHECK THE SOURCE BEFORE POSTING! Especially at AVS!

p.s. I do think the unit is delayed, btw, but I really don't get all of these people "confirming" the report without any confirmation from Samsung....

Still nothing regarding cancelation of the 2400 or delay of the 5000 on Samsung's News Alerts page

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/news/supportNewsAlertsList.do (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/news/supportNewsAlertsList.do)

Still nothing regarding cancelation of the 2400 or delay of the 5000 on Samsung's News Alerts page

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/news/supportNewsAlertsList.do (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/news/supportNewsAlertsList.do)

I just returned from Magnolia - Best Buy - They SAID
they are expecting the 5000 in the 3rd or 4th week
of THIS month.

I just returned from Magnolia - Best Buy - They SAID
they are expecting the 5000 in the 3rd or 4th week
of THIS month.

Until we have proof, one way or t'other. I am remaining cautiously optimistic.

Spence

Until we have proof, one way or t'other. I am remaining cautiously optimistic.

Spence

SAME HERE - I will drop in during week three to see
if the STORY has CHANGED.

I just returned from Magnolia - Best Buy - They SAID
they are expecting the 5000 in the 3rd or 4th week
of THIS month.

Best Buy is like No-More than 5-Minutes "or-Less" from the Acura Dealer where I am sitting. ;) So I will be checking in with them where I purchased my H/P Computer.

Terry

Best Buy is like No-More than 5-Minutes "or-Less" from the Acura Dealer where I am sitting. ;) So I will be checking in with them where I purchased my H/P Computer.

Terry

GO SEE what YOUR BEST BUYS says?

It would not surprise me to hear a different story.

I think no one knows is the BOTTOM LINE.

I'm in Vancouver and if you are Direct Buy member, you can order this player now. Mine shows an arrival date of Nov. 9th.....Nice! I'm a DB member as well and will definitely check it out - that's how I got my BD-P1200 when they first came out and they were pretty accurate on the timing, so hopefully the same hold true here.

I think no one knows is the BOTTOM LINE.

Yeah, unfortunately I think you're right. There are more theories floating around about the release of this player than the JFK assassination.

Clearly a lot of this exchange of gossip and hearsay is because so many of us want one.

Sucks, I'm FINALLY gonna get my big LCD HDTV in the next couple weeks and now I gotta wait for this to experience HD movies.

Oh well, at least I can enjoy some decent HD from DirecTV for now and Halo 3. :)

There are more theories floating around about the release of this player than the JFK assassination.


Great Analogy http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

gah, if this does hit the market this month, doesn't that imply it won't be primed for profile 1.1? I think I read somewhere that it would be...and perhaps even upgradable to 2.2 at some point.

what the hell is 2.2 lol

I meant 2.0. Gah again.

gah, if this does hit the market this month, doesn't that imply it won't be primed for profile 1.1? I think I read somewhere that it would be...and perhaps even upgradable to 2.2 at some point.

being released before the end of the month (10/31) just means that they can release it as a 1.0 compliant player. All speculation (and a few reports) have pointed to that this player will be upgradeable to 1.1 AND 2.0.

I think I'd be awful careful about any players released this month as it might indicate that it was rushed out to avoid the additional expense of a higher profile.

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.


Amen to that. All of the PiP and U-Control stuff is a waste of time and effort IMHO. I just want the best A/V quality available on all formats. :cool:

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.

+1..... finally someone with a practical approach to all this!!:)

Amen to that. All of the PiP and U-Control stuff is a waste of time and effort IMHO. I just want the best A/V quality available on all formats. :cool:

I'm with you to the point that I would like the functionality, but no matter what I buy, I will never have the latest and greatest functionality. That said, I'm accepting of this fact, so it is out the equation for me.

Amen to that. All of the PiP and U-Control stuff is a waste of time and effort IMHO. I just want the best A/V quality available on all formats. :cool:
At $25+ a pop for titles, I like the fact that someone is trying to give us the best bang for the buck personally.

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.

Amen !!!

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.

Agreed.

+1 here too - give me the players that do movies perfectly, maybe some extra footage or director's cut built into the film, and I'm a happy camper. . .

Unless you do not care about "profiles"

I want a player that plays HD-DVD's, BR-DVD's and SD-DVD's and plays them all without any blips, bleeps, lockup's, dropouts or any other kind of errors. In fact, I would tell them that if adding these "extra" features may effect the players over-all performance or reliablity, to just go ahead and leave all those "extra" features off my player as I want it to be able to just play the movie with picture and sound first and formost.

Folks around here don't take kindly to that kind of talk. :rolleyes:

You'd better throw in a threat or two like "if this player does not cook me eggs for breakfast I'm going to wait for player xyz". :D