Well, Onsale.com said the "market release" would be Oct 4, so they should get their shipment of this by Oct 5, which they "say" is the word from Samsung. This obviously conflicts with the rampant rumors that the unit is postponed. I guess we'll wait and see. . . .


I just went to their site and the price went up (while I was reading the info) from $779 tp $829. I guess they figured they can get it! I plan to wait until it comes to BB for $799 & use gift cards!

Folks around here don't take kindly to that kind of talk. :rolleyes:

You'd better throw in a threat or two like "if this player does not cook me eggs for breakfast I'm going to wait for player xyz". :D

THis gave me a good laugh......I really agree with others though that the "extras" as just a bonus for me as long as it can play the movies OK and output the audio (which this player looks like it will do both) I am going to be good. I really want the analog outputs though. I can do without 1.1 I think until the update (if there is one).

I just went to their site and the price went up (while I was reading the info) from $779 tp $829. I guess they figured they can get it! I plan to wait until it comes to BB for $799 & use gift cards!
Still showing $779 for me.

And about expectations, I don't think it's too much to ask for a Blu-Ray playback device that will adhere to specs as advertised.

Still showing $779 for me.

And about expectations, I don't think it's too much to ask for a Blu-Ray playback device that will adhere to specs as advertised.

Still showing that for me as well....so far I dont think anything has officially been said about this player and its profile status. All reports are second hand and some are just speculation. It would be nice to get something official from them though regarding this.

by advertised specs, I mean those as advertised by the BDA...I know, hoping for too much. :p Time will tell.

by advertised specs, I mean those as advertised by the BDA...I know, hoping for too much. :p Time will tell.

ahhh OK I get it now hehehehehhe......

Still showing $779 for me.

And about expectations, I don't think it's too much to ask for a Blu-Ray playback device that will adhere to specs as advertised.


I checked this morning and the price is back to $779. It jumped to $829 last night when I selected "continue shopping" to see the shipping charge (it's free after rebate for UPS ground). When I tried that today the price remained at $779. May have been a system glitch.

I checked this morning and the price is back to $779. It jumped to $829 last night when I selected "continue shopping" to see the shipping charge (it's free after rebate for UPS ground). When I tried that today the price remained at $779. May have been a system glitch.
argh, false hope instigated by what amounted to a glitch, the injustice! ;)

OK - Onsale, as predicted, just let me know the "expected" date was November 1. Not surprisingly, they're ill-informed and are just pushing back the date sequentially to keep my order. Sorry, but just cancelled my order. A35 or XA2 it is to go with the PS3. . . .

No apologies required...I'm sorry you had to settle for a PS3!

Now Onsale is in line with Amazon on the November 1, 2007, ETA. Profile 1.1 confirmed. :D ;)

No apologies required...I'm sorry you had to settle for a PS3!

Now Onsale is in line with Amazon on the November 1, 2007, ETA. Profile 1.1 confirmed. :D ;)I have one on order with them. Did they e-mail you or call you?

I just came from BB and the manager claims the Samsung rep told them that the 5000
will be released the day after Thanksgiving.

I just came from BB and the manager claims the Samsung rep told them that the 5000
will be released the day after Thanksgiving.

Yet Another Not Heard Before Date :D

Thanks.

I just came from BB and the manager claims the Samsung rep told them that the 5000
will be released the day after Thanksgiving.


I can see it now a bunch of grown men standing at the door and fighting there way to the back of the store to get one. Knocking every display over as they go to slow up the rest.:D

Who's going to start the release date pool?

Who's going to start the release date pool?


Problem is the person collecting the money will just keep it and buy the player the day it comes out.:p

Then I want to start it.

I have one on order with them. Did they e-mail you or call you?
Nope, November 1 is just the same date as listed on Amazon.com currently. :) Knowing the history, this will slip back soon again.

Then I want to start it.

Sounds like a good plan! :D

Then I want to start it.

not sending paypal.

Nice! I'm a DB member as well and will definitely check it out - that's how I got my BD-P1200 when they first came out and they were pretty accurate on the timing, so hopefully the same hold true here.

What's their current advertised price? (you can PM if it's not appropriate to say).

Thanks,

What's their current advertised price? (you can PM if it's not appropriate to say).

Thanks,

Me Too

You mean I might have to wait until after Thanksgiving before I get HD DVD in 1080p/23.98 (forced)??? :eek:

What's their current advertised price? (you can PM if it's not appropriate to say).

Thanks,

I guess being fairly new to the forum, I don't understand why prices can't be posted. I have done so & have seen others posted as well. Is there a rule against letting people know what a vendor is charging?

I guess being fairly new to the forum, I don't understand why prices can't be posted. I have done so & have seen others posted as well. Is there a rule against letting people know what a vendor is charging?

I think it is against the forum rules. Also, Direct Buy is for members only and the prices are wholesale (directly from the manufacturer). These prices are confidential and any member who is "caught" sharing the prices can jeopardize their membership.

I checked this morning and the price is back to $779. It jumped to $829 last night when I selected "continue shopping" to see the shipping charge (it's free after rebate for UPS ground). When I tried that today the price remained at $779. May have been a system glitch.

I just ordered one. $779 with free shipping and no tax for this player looks like a pretty good deal to me. I got a call from the store a while later to confirm the backorder purchase. I was assured thet my credit card would not be charged until they are ready to ship.

So I'm OK. I don't mind the wait.

No apologies required...I'm sorry you had to settle for a PS3!

Now Onsale is in line with Amazon on the November 1, 2007, ETA. Profile 1.1 confirmed. :D ;)


:D Cool :cool: I'm still in, :)

Terry

I just ordered one. $779 with free shipping and no tax for this player looks like a pretty good deal to me. I got a call from the store a while later to confirm the backorder purchase. I was assured thet my credit card would not be charged until they are ready to ship.

So I'm OK. I don't mind the wait.

I really want to order one, (or buy one at BB & use some gift cards to offset the cost) but my wife and several friends think I should buy 2 separate players (a Blu-ray & an HD-DVD) because if the dual one breaks, I would be stuck while it was being repaired vs if I have 2 dif players, then I would at least be able to view one format or the other if one breaks. I like all the features on the BD-UP5000 though, and I know I would spend more on an XA2 & S-1 to get comparable quality upconversion and still not have the latest technology. One downside of buying the BD-UP5000 is getting a new unproven model - but with all the glitches I have seen posted about the existing machines (both formats) - I don't think that is a big deal!

I really want to order one, (or buy one at BB & use some gift cards to offset the cost) but my wife and several friends think I should buy 2 separate players (a Blu-ray & an HD-DVD) because if the dual one breaks, I would be stuck while it was being repaired vs if I have 2 dif players, then I would at least be able to view one format or the other if one breaks. I like all the features on the BD-UP5000 though, and I know I would spend more on an XA2 & S-1 to get comparable quality upconversion and still not have the latest technology. One downside of buying the BD-UP5000 is getting a new unproven model - but with all the glitches I have seen posted about the existing machines (both formats) - I don't think that is a big deal!

One word comment for you, WAIT.

Terry

One word comment for you, WAIT.

Terry

I started to say that "I second that" as my frame of reference is what Toshiba has been doing for the last 3 years.

Certainly it is going to be a challenge for Samsung to get it right as this is their first universal player and their first attempt at HD-DVD. If it was Toshiba doing it, we'll its pretty obvious what we'd be facing. Just not so sure how good (or bad) Samsung's execution will be. Time will tell.

That preliminary review at HDGuru reported no HD DVD playback problems, so that's a good sign. After the public lashing from that *other* BDA member last week, I'm sure they're feeling a bit more warm and cozy with regards to the prospect of HD DVD support. :D

I really want to order one, (or buy one at BB & use some gift cards to offset the cost) but my wife and several friends think I should buy 2 separate players (a Blu-ray & an HD-DVD) because if the dual one breaks, I would be stuck while it was being repaired vs if I have 2 dif players, then I would at least be able to view one format or the other if one breaks. I like all the features on the BD-UP5000 though, and I know I would spend more on an XA2 & S-1 to get comparable quality upconversion and still not have the latest technology. One downside of buying the BD-UP5000 is getting a new unproven model - but with all the glitches I have seen posted about the existing machines (both formats) - I don't think that is a big deal!


But what if one player fails, and the movies you were planning to watch at your next social gathering is on that format?

The logical solution is to buy two BD-UP5000s, or at least a BD-UP5000 and a bargain priced LG dual format for backup. :D

But what if one player fails, and the movies you were planning to watch at your next social gathering is on that format?

The logical solution is to buy two BD-UP5000s, or at least a BD-UP5000 and a bargain priced LG dual format for backup. :D

Now you sound like my wife :rolleyes: Hey if money is no object - that's the way to go:D. I still plan to get the Samsung & take my chances it won't break! Hey if it does, I can always play my SD DVDs in one of my 4 other DVD players that only play SD DVDs & don't upconvert worth a darn..........

But what if one player fails, and the movies you were planning to watch at your next social gathering is on that format?

The logical solution is to buy two BD-UP5000s, or at least a BD-UP5000 and a bargain priced LG dual format for backup. :D


Who has had a DVD player that broke under normal operating conditions before upgraditis kicked in or broke because it was well beyond its expected life cycle?

Who has had a DVD player that broke under normal operating conditions before upgraditis kicked in or broke because it was well beyond its expected life cycle?


I've either been lucky or I'm making a point.. The only transport or player of any kind that has ever "broke" on me was an SVHS player. The list of stuff I've had over too many years includes VHS, Laser disk, numerous CD players, numerous DVD players and now an HD-DVD player.

I think they've pretty much figured out how to make things open, close and spin..... :p

I've either been lucky or I'm making a point.. The only transport or player of any kind that has ever "broke" on me was an SVHS player. The list of stuff I've had over too many years includes VHS, Laser disk, numerous CD players, numerous DVD players and now an HD-DVD player.

I think they've pretty much figured out how to make things open, close and spin..... :p


I think I'll print out your post & Magnus_Ca's & show it to my wife & friends :)

Hi

This player is more and more looking like it will be my next multi-format player.

I know the US launch time is still up in the blue (Confirmed q4), but I was woundering if anyone has seen any estimated launch times for the european version of this player. Is it Q407 like the US version or is it more like Q1/Q2-08?

Jan

Hi

This player is more and more looking like it will be my next multi-format player.

I know the US launch time is still up in the blue (Confirmed q4), but I was woundering if anyone has seen any estimated launch times for the european version of this player. Is it Q407 like the US version or is it more like Q1/Q2-08?

Jan

There are a few of us who have placed our orders. There is at least one person on the UK AV forum who is reporting that he spoke to the sales person (at the internet store where he ordered it) and was told that he can expect the delivery next Wednesday! Now, many are skeptical but we shall know more over the next 2-3 days.

There are a few of us who have placed our orders. There is at least one person on the UK AV forum who is reporting that he spoke to the sales person (at the internet store where he ordered it) and was told that he can expect the delivery next Wednesday! Now, many are skeptical but we shall know more over the next 2-3 days.

Yup that was me :)

Their computer is showing 09/10/07 (uk dates), i'm not convinced, other than the fact that they've only just started listing it, so you would have thought they'd have up to date info from their supplier.

Remember the delay is just internet speculation as it stands, there has been no official confirmation from samsung, all they've every said is Q4.

I started to say that "I second that" as my frame of reference is what Toshiba has been doing for the last 3 years.

Certainly it is going to be a challenge for Samsung to get it right as this is their first universal player and their first attempt at HD-DVD. If it was Toshiba doing it, we'll its pretty obvious what we'd be facing. Just not so sure how good (or bad) Samsung's execution will be. Time will tell.


JimP & tigerhonaker - I agree that it will be risky to buy a brand new model unit (one only needs to look at th eissues with the LG dual & other first release HD-DVD or Blu-Ray units), and the longer I wait, the more I wonder if I should get 2 players - but hate to spend around $750 on a A-30 & BDP-300 when I could buy the Samsung for almost the same amount. There are still issues with the A-20 & BDP-300 & time will tell if the A-30 is trouble free. Waiting will certainly allow me to see if the first Samsung units are trouble free or follow the trend of all the other players and need numerous firmware updates to fix the stuff that wasn't right.............

Thank you for the input - I do appreciate it.

Yup that was me :)

Their computer is showing 09/10/07 (uk dates), i'm not convinced, other than the fact that they've only just started listing it, so you would have thought they'd have up to date info from their supplier.

Remember the delay is just internet speculation as it stands, there has been no official confirmation from samsung, all they've every said is Q4.

I live in Holland, can you provide me further information where you ordered it?

Who has had a DVD player that broke under normal operating conditions before upgraditis kicked in or broke because it was well beyond its expected life cycle?


Yes, I agree. I've never had a DVD player fail, including the HD units I've owned since the release of the HD-A1. My latest is the XA2.

But I will admit that soon after purchasing the A1, I fell in love with its upconverting prowess and decided to purchase another for a backup.:)

I did however only order one Samsung BD-UP 5000.;)

I live in Holland, can you provide me further information where you ordered it?

PM sent :)

I have this on order and was informed yesterday by the vendor (Abt Electronics) that It would not be delivered until Dec.

I have this on order and was informed yesterday by the vendor (Abt Electronics) that It would not be delivered until Dec.

Thanks for adding to the Data Point - of WHEN :)

Someone should really start a delivery pool :rolleyes:

Let's see when Amazon/OnSale move their dates back to December...

I suspect December is the date. I would jibe with one of the Samsung announcements and still meet the Q4 delivery date.

If I go with the Sammy, I will end up going with Robert and VE. I hope they get the units in around the same time as everyone else.

I am going to wait and see how you guys that are first in line like the unit before I take the plunge, so when yo get your unit. make sure you post the good and the bad.

I suspect December is the date. I would jibe with one of the Samsung announcements and still meet the Q4 delivery date.

What Samsung announcement? I've been keeping an eye out and have yet to read anything officially released from Samsung.

My problem is I want a player that decodes the new audio codecs AND has 7.1 analog out.
My Marantz receiver doesnt have HDMI. I wouldnt mind buying separate bluray and HDDVD players if there were some available that have what I want. The panny is the only player right now with 7.1 analog out. And there are no players that decode DTS-MA internally. Now if the 5000 actually decodes DTS-MA internally, that would be awesome! With the 5000 I get to replace my ps3, HD dvd add-on for the 360 and my denon 2910. Selling all that on ebay will pretty much get me a 5000. I bought the ps3 for movies and games, but there are approximately 0.2 games that would make me want to keep the ps3.

2 units seem better and cheaper than 1! You still come out ahead plus the latest units have all been tried and tested so you get a pretty good choice. I'm still using my Denon 3910 and I'm ready to sell it and pick up a blue-ray and hd-dvd player. Now which one????

2 units seem better and cheaper than 1! You still come out ahead plus the latest units have all been tried and tested so you get a pretty good choice. I'm still using my Denon 3910 and I'm ready to sell it and pick up a blue-ray and hd-dvd player. Now which one????

I don't think you'll find two "cheaper" units that are better than the 5000 with all of the great features it possesses.

I don't think you'll find two "cheaper" units that are better than the 5000 with all of the great features it possesses.

The Tosh A30 (A3 is not 1080p) and the Sony S300 (or PS3) would be $399 and $499 = $900. That still wouldnt get you all the audio features (S300 doesnt have TrueHD).

You can probably get them both for around $800 though. But, the onsale.com price of the Sammy is hard to beat at $779. Its gonna be a popular player I bet.

Samsung Canada has informed me of a Feb. 08 shipping date.

that sucks! I was hoping to have it sooner... oh well... gives us more time to save the money!

Samsung Canada has informed me of a Feb. 08 shipping date.
Major bummer, I was hoping to have it for Lost season 3. :mad:

If I go with the Sammy, I will end up going with Robert and VE. I hope they get the units in around the same time as everyone else.

I am going to wait and see how you guys that are first in line like the unit before I take the plunge, so when yo get your unit. make sure you post the good and the bad.

Good plan. Robert/VE seems to have a good record for pricing and service. Limited items but what they do offer are almost always the most popular items on AVS. Attractive pricing on that XA2 as well.

The Tosh A30 (A3 is not 1080p) and the Sony S300 (or PS3) would be $399 and $499 = $900. That still wouldnt get you all the audio features (S300 doesnt have TrueHD).

You can probably get them both for around $800 though. But, the onsale.com price of the Sammy is hard to beat at $779. Its gonna be a popular player I bet.

and the A30 doenst do DTS-MA only DTS-HR.

So release dates throughout the world have been reported now, ranging anywhere from yesterday (October 9) in the UK (I suspect AndytheScientist just hasn't gotten around to updating us yet on this missed target) and February 8, 2008 in Canada, this directly from Samsung supposedly. Something is causing a significant delay and I have to wonder if it's compatibility issues and BD-J/BD+....

So release dates throughout the world have been reported now, ranging anywhere from yesterday (October 9) in the UK (I suspect AndytheScientist just hasn't gotten around to updating us yet on this missed target) and February 8, 2008 in Canada, this directly from Samsung supposedly. Something is causing a significant delay and I have to wonder if it's compatibility issues and BD-J/BD+....

I wonder when Samsung will just come out with a HD DVD player?

Oh I forgot, is the BD-UP5000 a 1.0 player? If not I may buy one.

So release dates throughout the world have been reported now, ranging anywhere from yesterday (October 9) in the UK (I suspect AndytheScientist just hasn't gotten around to updating us yet on this missed target) and February 8, 2008 in Canada, this directly from Samsung supposedly. Something is causing a significant delay and I have to wonder if it's compatibility issues and BD-J/BD+....

Hi Vinnie,

Can confirm that UK missed the October 9 release date :(.

The supplier in question said that they now expectected delivery some time mid November, certainly hope we don't have to wait a long as February 2008, but hopefully the delay will mean 1.1 and DTS-MA out of the box :).

So release dates throughout the world have been reported now, ranging anywhere from yesterday (October 9) in the UK (I suspect AndytheScientist just hasn't gotten around to updating us yet on this missed target) and February 8, 2008 in Canada, this directly from Samsung supposedly. Something is causing a significant delay and I have to wonder if it's compatibility issues and BD-J/BD+....

Yup as suspected it didn't appear, their now talking about mid november apparantly, although i've not been on to sales support myself.

Thanks for the update, Kazer/Andy. November 1 - 15 are now the targets to miss...I wonder how many of us they'd be able to successfully string along until Feb. 2008? :D Only if the price was right would I be willing to wait (and not get a Blu-Ray standalone or *horror* a PS3).

Robert, 1.1 compatibility remains to be seen but it's looking more and more likely, if the BDA doesn't/hasn't quietly push/ed the Halloween 1.0 deadline beyond October. ;)

Thanks for the update, Kazer/Andy. November 1 - 15 are now the targets to miss...I wonder how many of us they'd be able to successfully string along until Feb. 2008? :D Only if the price was right would I be willing to wait (and not get a Blu-Ray standalone or *horror* a PS3).

Robert, 1.1 compatibility remains to be seen but it's looking more and more likely, if the BDA doesn't/hasn't quietly push/ed the Halloween 1.0 deadline beyond October. ;)

This player is supposed to be my way to get into the HD media game -- on the one hand, I don't want them to rush it; on the other, COME ON ALREADY. :p

2 units seem better and cheaper than 1! You still come out ahead plus the latest units have all been tried and tested so you get a pretty good choice. I'm still using my Denon 3910 and I'm ready to sell it and pick up a blue-ray and hd-dvd player. Now which one????

My first Toshiba HD-A1 sent my Denon 3910 to eBay, and I never looked back ;)

I wonder when Samsung will just come out with a HD DVD player?

Oh I forgot, is the BD-UP5000 a 1.0 player? If not I may buy one.

If it comes out after 10/31 it will have to be a 1.1 player.;)

The Tosh A30 (A3 is not 1080p) and the Sony S300 (or PS3) would be $399 and $499 = $900. That still wouldnt get you all the audio features (S300 doesnt have TrueHD).

You can probably get them both for around $800 though. But, the onsale.com price of the Sammy is hard to beat at $779. Its gonna be a popular player I bet.

I recently got into both formats for $550.
$200 for the Toshiba A2 on eBay and $350 for the Sony BDP-S300 for $350 after the Sonycard promotion of $150 credit.

After the 5000 has been out for a while it might go down to $600 or cheaper which would be a heck of a deal.

OnSale also claims ETA of November 15th now. At least the suppliers are getting the same info now.

Does anyone know how the SD-DVD processing will be on this compared to the higher end Toshiba Reon processors? Looking at my recent Crutchfield catalog, it described a Reon processor of some type (used by movie industry and film makers), but seemed to be of a different type than what is in the Toshiba. Furthermor, it was unclear as to whether this processer would help upconversion or just the BD/HD-DVD playback.

Any input? I was thinking of getting a BD stand alone (I already have the 360 HD-DVD add-on), but if this has superior upconversion, ends up with 1.1, plus have all the sound decoding (including analog), this is sounding more and more like the best alternative hands down.

From everything I have seen and read it is the same Reon processor that Toshiba uses. I would expect the implementation to be the same. You might want to read the review of a pre-production machine posted elsewhere in this forum.

OnSale also claims ETA of November 15th now. At least the suppliers are getting the same info now.
OnSale just changed the date to November 30th...

OnSale just changed the date to November 30th...

Push Push Push :confused:

Push Push Push :confused:
I think this thing will definitely be out by Xmas...no matter what.
I've waited this long...

Wow that was a quick push...just yesterday, ETA was the 15th. I hope your hunch on Christmas is right. Samsung will be missing out on hooj sales otherwise.

I think this thing will definitely be out by Xmas...no matter what.
I've waited this long...

A lot of us here have been waiting WITH YOU :D

At least I am not waiting empty handed.

I have both HD DVD and Blu-Ray players since DAY-ONE.

I hope to replace separate units with a single box when
it is finally available - SOMEDAY :confused:

I've taken the cheap route so far... HD DVD only by way of the 360 add-on. As long as this hybrid player arrives in time for LOST, I think I'll be able to hold out. ;)

I placed my preorder at a local Magnolia. Good price and they will price match for 30 days after I pick it up. I was the 4th person at that store to pay in full for the unit, so hopefully they don't get three of them in the first shipment.

I have both HD DVD and Blu-Ray players since DAY-ONE.

I hope to replace separate units with a single box when
it is finally available - SOMEDAY :confused:

Me too!

Samsung Canada has informed me of a Feb. 08 shipping date.
IF IT COMES OUT IN DEC/07 i will just drive a hour away to the states and buy it there for par or less.

IF IT COMES OUT IN DEC/07 i will just drive a hour away to the states and buy it there for par or less.

Right on brother!

I placed my preorder at a local Magnolia. Good price and they will price match for 30 days after I pick it up. I was the 4th person at that store to pay in full for the unit, so hopefully they don't get three of them in the first shipment.

DID they give you any Ballpark idea of delivery?

DID they give you any Ballpark idea of delivery?

The guy helping me was aware of the delay and stated it would be there between late November and late December, but no actual date.

x43x, what was the price they had?

The guy helping me was aware of the delay and stated it would be there between late November and late December, but no actual date.

I appreciate the feedback.

It keeps the delivery pool ALIVE :D Sometime this year :mad:

I'd hoped to have this thing in hand by Halloween, but I guess as long as it's here by Christmas I'll be satisfied. Now if it gets delayed into sometime 2008 I'll probably have to re-think my plans.

A lot of us here have been waiting WITH YOU :D

At least I am not waiting empty handed.

I have both HD DVD and Blu-Ray players since DAY-ONE.

I hope to replace separate units with a single box when
it is finally available - SOMEDAY :confused:


Interesting that you prefer one unit, other than the obvious space saving and less switching issues, what other reasons for the one vs. two?

I would have purchased each if they both had the 1080/24 and all the advanced audio but since no one unit had it all I was waiting for each side to have them all, looks like the samsung 5K will and as a bonus all in one unit.

Interesting that you prefer one unit, other than the obvious space saving and less switching issues, what other reasons for the one vs. two?

You brush past those like they are insignificant. Don't forget the majority of people do not have HDMI receivers and can use the one set of analog outs for Lossless/Uncompressed. It is a cleaner simpler solution that more people will be willing to accept. I hope it performs well.

Interesting that you prefer one unit, other than the obvious space saving and less switching issues, what other reasons for the one vs. two?

I would have purchased each if they both had the 1080/24 and all the advanced audio but since no one unit had it all I was waiting for each side to have them all, looks like the samsung 5K will and as a bonus all in one unit.

I have a Pioneer Blu-Ray that does 1080p/24.

My Toshiba does only 1080i/60.

I don't TRUST the NEW XA2 Toshiba to actually
do 1080p/24 and it is the same price as the
Samsung 5000.

Besides having a COMBO play means I don't
have to think about a format war anymore.
I have a single player. It might sound stupid
but that is the right ethical choice :rolleyes:

I got a NEW Catalog from Crutchfield today.

I never looked at the last one - I threw it out.

But I looked at this one to see if the 5000 was
in there and was still at the same price - IT IS.

$799 is a good price from these guys. They usually
do not discount off MSRP.

No Info in the Catalog on delivery date.

I would avoid onsale.com like herpes! :eek:

So the new LG BH-200 will have this "Qdeo video processing from Marvell". Anyone care to guess how good the Qdeo video processing from Marvell is, and how would it compare to the HQV video processing that is offered in the Samsung BD-P5000?

good question

x43x, what was the price they had?

Same price as Crutchfield, but with 30 days of pricematching, around X-mas time, I'm hoping to get a little of it back.

So the new LG BH-200 will have this "Qdeo video processing from Marvell". Anyone care to guess how good the Qdeo video processing from Marvell is, and how would it compare to the HQV video processing that is offered in the Samsung BD-P5000?Looks like it might have some Faroudja/Sage/Genesis DNA in it and apparently it demoed well at CES earlier this year: http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6412354. HQV set the bar pretty high, but time marches on. It'll be interesting to see how this chip does in a well-implemented design on HQV's own benchmark tests...

OnSale just changed the date to November 30th...


They just pushed it back to the end of 2007 on the website. Right above the product description they have this note;

Not schedule to ship until the end of the 2007

Here's the link:
http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.aspx?dpno=7295840&store=onsale&source=bwbfroogle

Hello!
Can anyone tell me how can I buy one of these (for Christmas) online (Onsale.com , amazon etc) since I live in south america (Chile)!

Thank you!
Regards

They just pushed it back to the end of 2007 on the website. Right above the product description they have this note;

Not schedule to ship until the end of the 2007

Here's the link:
http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.aspx?dpno=7295840&store=onsale&source=bwbfroogle
Man, this is depressing! They *need* to get these puppies out by Christmas (that counts as the end of 2007, right??). ;)

I'm still going to "WAIT" even if it is the end of December.

Hello!
Can anyone tell me how can I buy one of these (for Christmas) online (Onsale.com , amazon etc) since I live in south america (Chile)!

Thank you!
Regards

With the ongoing delays, its becoming questionable that it may be out in time for Christmas this year.

I think the first step in case it does start shipping prior to Christmas is to contact some of the internet companies and see if they'll ship to South America.

With the price dropping of both players. I may just pick up two seperate players. The longer this thing takes the more money I keep saving. Dont know if that is a good thing or bad.

I wonder why OnSale.com raised their price.

I don't think they have...

I wonder why OnSale.com raised their price.

They still haven't raised the price. Its the same as before 779

With the price dropping of both players. I may just pick up two seperate players. The longer this thing takes the more money I keep saving. Dont know if that is a good thing or bad.

Just remember with SEPARATE Players
you are NOT GETTING the same thing.

It costs a LOT MORE to get TWO Separate players
that have equal capabilities.

I think this thing will definitely be out by Xmas...no matter what.
I've waited this long...

Care to estimate WHICH Christmas?

All good things come to those who wait :)

I'm just curious and wonder will our new BlueRay/HD capable BD-UP5000 also be able to play the extra (sometimes usefull) Playback Formats: WMA, MPEG-4 & DivX like the current Sammy DVD-1080P7 can now?

Also I understand that the DVD-1080P7 is not fussy and will record DirectTV and most things that are thrown at it without any copyright issues etc, and so I wonder here too will the new BD-UP5000 get fussy with that?

I'm just curious and wonder will our new BlueRay/HD capable BD-UP5000 also be able to play the extra (sometimes usefull) Playback Formats: WMA, MPEG-4 & DivX like the current Sammy DVD-1080P7 can now?

The BD-UP5000 lists H.264 (aka MPEG-4 or AVC) in its specs, but I've seen no mention of WMA or DivX yet. The specs for the Broadcom 7440 SoC (http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7440-PB100-R.pdf) in the player say that it supports DivX and WMA. We'll see if the player takes advantage of that capability.

Also I understand that the DVD-1080P7 is not fussy and will record DirectTV and most things that are thrown at it without any copyright issues etc, and so I wonder here too will the new BD-UP5000 get fussy with that?

I guess that I don't understand the question. I wasn't aware that the DVD-1080P7 is a recorder, and the BD-UP5000 certainly is not. The dual format player won't record anything. I would suppose that whether it would play back a recorded disc that you made elsewhere would depend on how the disc was recorded. The 5000's specs say that it supports "Full multi format DVD playback: BD-ROM, HD DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R (V mode only), DVD-RW (V/VR mode), Audio CD, CD-R, CD-RW" discs and "MPEG2, VC-1, H.264, HD JPEG decoding". I'd think that we'll also have to wait to see how fussy it is with formats that it claims to support.

HTH

I wonder if it will allow playback of files from a server on a LAN?

I don't think they have...

Oh, I clicked on that link someone posted here in the thread. But once I clicked on the "Our lowest price", I saw the other price. My bad guys. I was about to say, that was really odd if they did raise the price.

The BD-UP5000 lists H.264 (aka MPEG-4 or AVC) in its specs, but I've seen no mention of WMA or DivX yet. The specs for the Broadcom 7440 SoC (http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7440-PB100-R.pdf) in the player say that it supports DivX and WMA. We'll see if the player takes advantage of that capability.

Thanks for that info kelpie, I see what you mean now, and so I hope it does take advantage of that capability and use it then.


I guess that I don't understand the question. HTH

Sorry I did not mean to write that question in this post like that. For the 5000 I was only talking about being able to 'play' those different formats.
I was doing alot of research this morning on alot of things and mistakenly lumped that question in with this post.. duh.. ..Heh though, wouldn't it be nice if the 5000 was a recorder too! ...some day.
I think anyday now I will order the 5000 from one call though... I've been threatening myself with pulling the trigger on that for 2 weeks now... I just might go ahead and do it. damn desires are powerfull

thanks for the reply

The BD-UP5000 lists H.264 (aka MPEG-4 or AVC) in its specs


How will that work? Will the 5000 have a USB port and play those files if a hard drive is hooked up to it or are you talking about the files being played back from a disc?

How will that work? Will the 5000 have a USB port and play those files if a hard drive is hooked up to it or are you talking about the files being played back from a disc?

From a disc. Both Blu-ray and HD DVD standards require players to have H.264/MPEG-4/AVC compatibility. I have seen no mention of the BD-UP5000 having a USB port.

The BD-UP5000 lists H.264 (aka MPEG-4 or AVC) in its specs, but I've seen no mention of WMA or DivX yet. The specs for the Broadcom 7440 SoC (http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7440-PB100-R.pdf) in the player say that it supports DivX and WMA. We'll see if the player takes advantage of that capability.



I guess that I don't understand the question. I wasn't aware that the DVD-1080P7 is a recorder, and the BD-UP5000 certainly is not. The dual format player won't record anything. I would suppose that whether it would play back a recorded disc that you made elsewhere would depend on how the disc was recorded. The 5000's specs say that it supports "Full multi format DVD playback: BD-ROM, HD DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R (V mode only), DVD-RW (V/VR mode), Audio CD, CD-R, CD-RW" discs and "MPEG2, VC-1, H.264, HD JPEG decoding". I'd think that we'll also have to wait to see how fussy it is with formats that it claims to support.

HTH

What does V mode mean? will it not work with a Data DVD containing various video/quicktime clips in h.264 or other codecs??

What does V mode mean?

"V mode" means DVD-Video format. As I understand it, with DVD-R (or -RW) discs the disc does not require pre-formatting before recording, but will be automatically "finalized" after recording to play in most players. DVD-RW discs can be recorded in either "v mode" or "vr mode" (DVD-Video Recording format). If you format the DVD-RW disc in vr mode you can edit it later, but must finalize the disc before it will play in most players.

will it not work with a Data DVD containing various video/quicktime clips in h.264 or other codecs??

Time will tell what the machine will play. I don't know what codecs we'll be limited to on DVD-R and -RW discs. Personally, I doubt we'd be limited to MPEG-2 (for example), but dunno.

I pre-ordered this player from Direct Buy in Canada and now this items status is showing up as "discontinued from the manufacturer". Not good news.

Just remember with SEPARATE Players
you are NOT GETTING the same thing.

It costs a LOT MORE to get TWO Separate players
that have equal capabilities.
That's not really true. i got a Toshiba HDA35 and a Samsung P1400 for the same price as the BD-UP5000

That's not really true. i got a Toshiba HDA35 and a Samsung P1400 for the same price as the BD-UP5000

Both of those units have the reon chip and pass all codecs via HDMI or decode them and have 5.1 analog out?

I pre-ordered this player from Direct Buy in Canada and now this items status is showing up as "discontinued from the manufacturer". Not good news.

I called Crutchfield and they said the same thing. The rep also said they "had" it priced at $999.99(when it was in their system), not $799.99. But I don't have a catalog with me at this time, because I'm out of town.

They mark things as discontinued if its not released by a certain after it is supposed to come out so I'm not worried about the "discontinued" part, I'm just concerned about the price.

Both of those units have the reon chip and pass all codecs via HDMI or decode them and have 5.1 analog out?
Ok you're right, they have everything you listed except for Reon. i wasn't thinking about reon because my receiver has it and I've read that having a reon in both the dvd player and the receiver at best won't make a difference, and at worst might actually introduce some issues in the video since it's going through double processing, so the reon in the player wasn't something I cared about. But you've got a point, for people who want reon in the player this unit is pretty good

Ok you're right, they have everything you listed except for Reon. i wasn't thinking about reon because my receiver has it and I've read that having a reon in both the dvd player and the receiver at best won't make a difference, and at worst might actually introduce some issues in the video since it's going through double processing, so the reon in the player wasn't something I cared about. But you've got a point, for people who want reon in the player this unit is pretty good

The A35 doesn't pass DTS MA, either. Just to note:

And I believe the 5000 has 7.1 analog out -- which, I believe, both the 1400 and A35 lack.

I couldn't resist the urge any longer and ordered the BD-UP5000 from OnSale for the sale price talked about... the hard part now is that they told me moments ago on the phone that the expected date for it is Jan 7, 2008... wow I said that's a long time to wait.. I still left the order in place though since it's the cheapest price around. In order to get the free shipping though, which is really $17.66 that they Do bill you for, but then you have to fill out a rebate form to get it back later.. a p.i.t.a. imho, but no big deal 'I guess' to do it that way... ..but just send me the blessed player already I can't wait!

Three delays and counting.

At this point I think we should probably just hope that delays are the worst case scenario and that the player isn't canceled altogether.

I had posted in another thread that I had ordered this particular player from Direct Buy, and this past Saturday, Direct Buy called me up, and told me that they are going to issue me a refund for my purchase because the "unit is discontinued".

Their website has been updated to reflect that status, and I am now no longer able to order it.

I am hoping some DB members in the U.S. have better luck. If so, I will go down there to order it. :(

I inquired about this model at a local Best Buy (regular) and later a Magnolia Home Theater store (within another Best Buy). Neither store offered the option to pre-order and neither had a clue when it would be out.

[QUOTE=archangel37;11910645]The A35 doesn't pass DTS MA, either. /QUOTE]
Are there any HD-DVDs with DTS-MA tracks?
I am sure Toshiba will offer it if anyone has it on HD-DVD(DD+ and DD TrueHD primarily offered now)

Well since I've already ordered it I feel nothing is lost if they cancel it since they do nOt charge your credit card until it ships anyway, and so nothing to lose there, and also on the otherhand I can cancel my order anytime before it ships if I see someone else gets it cheaper or whatever, which I doubt cheaper; but I just don't want to lose this 779 deal they are offering. Hey if they cancel this model BD-UP5000 then Sammy will no doubt offer something better in its place - which I'll get that one :) ..and in that case hopefully one call will do the deal for the ones who've already pre-ordered this one..

The A35 doesn't pass DTS MA, either. Just to note:

And I believe the 5000 has 7.1 analog out -- which, I believe, both the 1400 and A35 lack.

The A35 doesn't pass DTS-MA? Are you sure about this?

The A35 doesn't pass DTS-MA? Are you sure about this?
look at the last post of this page from the A35 thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=900216&highlight=a35&page=36

The A35 doesn't pass DTS MA, either. Just to note:

And I believe the 5000 has 7.1 analog out -- which, I believe, both the 1400 and A35 lack.
I was wrong in that regard too, forgot about the 7.1 analog, you're right neither the P1400 or the A35 have this. I must have forgotten because I'm fortunate enough to be able to use HDMI for audio

Wow. All the delays and talk of cancellation are not encouraging :( I have to wonder though, what could be going on with this player?

I see a couple of possibilities:

1) They just decided to really go whole hog with this thing. As such, they are reworking it to include internal decoding of DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA right out of the gate and/or bitstream output for all of those formats. They may also be reworking it to be BD-Live capable right away. Having all of that would make it the single most advanced player for either format and the fact that it will play both formats would make it more or less the be-all; end-all player!

OR

2) They've seen the way prices are going and are deeply concerned that a $999 unit - even a $799 unit may not be attractive enough when people COULD get a $400 PS3 and a $200 HD-DVD player seperately.

There's a good chance the PS3 will get DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA decoding with a firmware update according to rumors. While it will not have the 7.1 analogue outputs, it would erase the UP5000's advantage in the audio area for the most part. There's also a chance that the PS3 could be made BD-Live compatible. All of the hardware requirements seem to be built into the PS3, so if there's any Blu-ray player out there at the moment that even has a possibility of being upgraded to BD-Live, the PS3 would be it.

On the HD-DVD side, even the cheapest player internally decodes DD+ and TrueHD and those are by far the most used audio formats on HD-DVD - other than the popularity of DTS-HD on European HD-DVDs.

With this UP5000 moving further and further away in its release as it is delayed again and again, I'm starting to think that a PS3 and an entry HD-DVD player may be the way I go. My plasma is 1365 x 768 anyway, so 1080p output isn't really a big concern for me. DD+ and TrueHD are already supported in all HD-DVD players. And if the PS3 gets its rumored DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA support, it'll do everything I want as a Blu-ray player, plus give me all three of the new gaming systems!

Jon

I'm not ready to jump ship on the 5000 yet, but if it gets pushed back into 2008 I'll probably just pick up a stand-alone Blu-Ray player to go w/ my current A1 HD-DVD player. I'd really like to have an "all in one" especially with the Reon chip, 7.1 analog connection, etc., but if Samsung isn't going to give it to us I guess we'll all be forced to explore other options.

An announcement from them (Samsung) would be really nice right about now to quell the fear, uncertainty and doubt. :p This thing saves all kinds of real estate in a living room (I'm not interested in helping Sony win their console war and would like to give them as little cash as possible)...with the 2008 lineup of movies looking to be HD DVD-slanted, the time for this player is no later than December.

Ok you're right, they have everything you listed except for Reon. i wasn't thinking about reon because my receiver has it and I've read that having a reon in both the dvd player and the receiver at best won't make a difference, and at worst might actually introduce some issues in the video since it's going through double processing, so the reon in the player wasn't something I cared about. But you've got a point, for people who want reon in the player this unit is pretty good
once a signal has been processed it will not be reprocessed.

If they don't deliver before Christmas I won't buy this player. I'd hate for that to happen, but I'm not waiting for HD anymore, I want to watch HD movies now.

If they don't deliver before Christmas I won't buy this player. I'd hate for that to happen, but I'm not waiting for HD anymore, I want to watch HD movies now.
I assume you're without a 360...that add-on is the cheapest way to get a dosage of HD and would serve as a stop-gap until this Samsung gets released.

I assume you're without a 360...that add-on is the cheapest way to get a dosage of HD and would serve as a stop-gap until this Samsung gets released.
I have a 360. You know, that's a pretty decent idea actually. Hadn't thought about it too much cause I'm so looking forward to this samsung.

...with the 2008 lineup of movies looking to be HD DVD-slanted, the time for this player is no later than December.

I assume you're without a 360...that add-on is the cheapest way to get a dosage of HD and would serve as a stop-gap until this Samsung gets released.

I have a 360. You know, that's a pretty decent idea actually. Hadn't thought about it too much cause I'm so looking forward to this samsung.

I'm honestly confused as to how the 2008 HD lineup is "HD-DVD slanted". I know that Paramount and Universal have announced some great titles, but I have to think that Disney, Sony, MGM, LionsGate and Fox may have a few worthy titles of their own on the Blu-ray side, no?

The whole problem with this war is that there IS no way to pick a side. Back when the only exclusive studio was Universal on HD-DVD, it certainly looked like Blu-ray was going to pull way ahead and end this thing. But now with Paramount/Dreamworks exclusive to HD-DVD, there's no way to go without a HD-DVD player or a Blu-ray player!

As to the HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox360: I REALLY wish it weren't so gimped in the audio department. But given that HD-A2's can be had for nearly the same price as the add-on, I'd have to recommend buying one of those, even if only as a "stop gap". At least with the full player you can listen to full DD+ and TrueHD audio (so long as you have a HDMI receiver that can process the 5.1 PCM signal). With the add-on, you're limited to down-mixed "classic" DTS no matter what!

Jon

OT but here's a thread with regards to the 2008 lineup: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=923016

That first post would suggest it's about an even match (unless the Indiana Jones ends up having some contractual obligations that deny it HD DVD only) but there are many other films mentioned below that which show a somewhat lopsided advantage for HD DVD. This is all on the assumption Warner stays neutral of course, and they will eventually make a decision, which will tip the balance towards whatever format they choose. And none of this includes unannounced films of course.

Re: the 360, it does look like it supports DTS at the equivalent bitrate but I assume that is a slight downgrade from DD+ due to the required transcoding? I am waaay behind on the current state of surround formats and need to do some homework in order to catch up. My current receiver only accepts coaxial/optical, so the 360 add-on already suits my needs. The DD LED on my receiver is lit when receiving an optical signal from both the TV (HD programming on cable) and the 360, so I will have to research this further. It appears this Onkyo only supports Dolby Digital (maximum of 640 kbps??) and DTS. Does this mean I won't be able to get any better than 640 kbps via Dolby Digital OR DTS 1.5 if I select it on the 360?

EDIT: To answer my question, YES. I did some googling and found the answer. ;) With this newfound knowledge, I now feel like my speakers aren't receiving the quality they deserve (I'd like to at least be able to decode DD+)...so I see an expensive future ahead. ;(

Sorry about the aside, carry on!

look at the last post of this page from the A35 thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=900216&highlight=a35&page=36

That post shows a picture of an Onkyo receiver with "DTS-HD MSTR" on the display. So how does this prove that the A35 does not pass DTS-MA?

That post shows a picture of an Onkyo receiver with "DTS-HD MSTR" on the display. So how does this prove that the A35 does not pass DTS-MA?
Uh it was supposed to prove that it does pass it. I'm not the one that said it didn't.

That post shows a picture of an Onkyo receiver with "DTS-HD MSTR" on the display. So how does this prove that the A35 does not pass DTS-MA?

where is that picture? I cannot find it?

So DOES the A35 (EP35 EU model for me :)) do DTS-MA decoding or not?

Uh it was supposed to prove that it does pass it. I'm not the one that said it didn't.

OK good, I thought it did. I would just assume if you were refuting those statements you would have responded to his comments and not mine that was questioning it.

Didn't mean to get all OT on you guys. As shown by the last post on page 36 of that thread, the A35 is able to send out DTS MA via BITSTREAM to a compatible receiver, but does NOT have on-board decoding (presently anyway, there are rumors that it might be possible in future via firmware upgrade). I personally don't care because I would prefer that my receiver is doing the processing, as opposed to letting the player send it out via multichannel pcm

And just in case I get accused of being a "troll", the reason I'm following this thread is I'm still open to the possibility of getting the 5000 and getting rid of the P1400 and the A35, but only IF it turns out to be flawless. Right now though I'm a bit skeptical that the 5000, out of the box, will not have at least some of the problems that have been reported with the P1400, the most serious of which is faulty 5.1 LPCM processing. Another issue that lots of us are having with the P1400 that is not as big of a deal but still annoying is random stoppage of movies, right now it seems to happen only with standard DVDs. Unless these and other issues are fixed in the 5000, I'm just going to keep my setup the way it is. I actually like having two players anyway, for instance I can leave a 4 episode disc of Sopranos on one player while watching a blu ray or hd dvd (as the case may be) in the other player

Wow. All the delays and talk of cancellation are not encouraging :( I have to wonder though, what could be going on with this player?

I see a couple of possibilities:

1) They just decided to really go whole hog with this thing. As such, they are reworking it to include internal decoding of DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA right out of the gate and/or bitstream output for all of those formats. They may also be reworking it to be BD-Live capable right away. Having all of that would make it the single most advanced player for either format and the fact that it will play both formats would make it more or less the be-all; end-all player!

OR

2) They've seen the way prices are going and are deeply concerned that a $999 unit - even a $799 unit may not be attractive enough when people COULD get a $400 PS3 and a $200 HD-DVD player seperately.

There's a good chance the PS3 will get DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA decoding with a firmware update according to rumors. While it will not have the 7.1 analogue outputs, it would erase the UP5000's advantage in the audio area for the most part. There's also a chance that the PS3 could be made BD-Live compatible. All of the hardware requirements seem to be built into the PS3, so if there's any Blu-ray player out there at the moment that even has a possibility of being upgraded to BD-Live, the PS3 would be it.

On the HD-DVD side, even the cheapest player internally decodes DD+ and TrueHD and those are by far the most used audio formats on HD-DVD - other than the popularity of DTS-HD on European HD-DVDs.

With this UP5000 moving further and further away in its release as it is delayed again and again, I'm starting to think that a PS3 and an entry HD-DVD player may be the way I go. My plasma is 1365 x 768 anyway, so 1080p output isn't really a big concern for me. DD+ and TrueHD are already supported in all HD-DVD players. And if the PS3 gets its rumored DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA support, it'll do everything I want as a Blu-ray player, plus give me all three of the new gaming systems!

Jon

Your second assumption is wrong, to get the same spec on the HD DVD player than the UP5000, you need to buy a XA2. Add the XA2 street price to the PS3 and you will realize that the UP5000 is an interesting deal.

OK good, I thought it did. I would just assume if you were refuting those statements you would have responded to his comments and not mine that was questioning it.

That's weird -- Toshiba's own website doesn't mention DTS HD MA at all -- you think they'd advertise that better.

Do you have any other evidence that the A35 can do bitstreaming DTS MA besides a picture of an 805? I haven't been able to find any other evidence, maybe you can help.

Didn't mean to get all OT on you guys. As shown by the last post on page 36 of that thread, the A35 is able to send out DTS MA via BITSTREAM to a compatible receiver, but does NOT have on-board decoding (presently anyway, there are rumors that it might be possible in future via firmware upgrade). I personally don't care because I would prefer that my receiver is doing the processing, as opposed to letting the player send it out via multichannel pcm

And just in case I get accused of being a "troll", the reason I'm following this thread is I'm still open to the possibility of getting the 5000 and getting rid of the P1400 and the A35, but only IF it turns out to be flawless. Right now though I'm a bit skeptical that the 5000, out of the box, will not have at least some of the problems that have been reported with the P1400, the most serious of which is faulty 5.1 LPCM processing. Another issue that lots of us are having with the P1400 that is not as big of a deal but still annoying is random stoppage of movies, right now it seems to happen only with standard DVDs. Unless these and other issues are fixed in the 5000, I'm just going to keep my setup the way it is. I actually like having two players anyway, for instance I can leave a 4 episode disc of Sopranos on one player while watching a blu ray or hd dvd (as the case may be) in the other player

Well, just got my newest catalog from Crutchfield in the mail today and sure enough there's the BD-UP5000 on page 62 for $799. Too bad we can't order the bloody thing.

Well, just got my newest catalog from Crutchfield in the mail today and sure enough there's the BD-UP5000 on page 62 for $799. Too bad we can't order the bloody thing.
For a reputable and authorized retailer, that's about as good as it gets. Let's hope that price sticks (or at least doesn't climb any higher!). Buy.com is offering the second best deal at the moment as far as authorized retailers go. I've had pretty good experience with them in the past but they can also be a pain in the ass. Their phone number is not published on their webpage (you have to google for it from an alternate source) and the hold times are pretty bad. I'm going to see what they have to say about ETA to see if it matches what OnSale and others have recently claimed.

Do you have any other evidence that the A35 can do bitstreaming DTS MA besides a picture of an 805? I haven't been able to find any other evidence, maybe you can help.
I haven't personally tried it, but I have no reason to doubt the veracity of that poster. I would expect it to work, though. Players like the P1400 or the A35 that have the bitstream capability should be able to send ANY format to the receiver. With bitstreaming, the player essentially is just "passing on" the signal to the receiver, so it wouldn't make much sense for the bitstream not to work with certain types of decoding. That is of course completely different than if the player itself is doing the decoding, then you have issues as to whether the player can decode every type of format. The PS3 is the classic example, it can decode pretty much every format except for DTS MA.

I will know for sure when Pan's Labyrinth comes out in December, I've read that it will have a DTS MA 7.1 track so I'll be checking that out. I'm just not aware of any HD DVD movies right now that have DTS MA, at least not any that I would be interested in watching

I got (unofficial) confirmation today that this unit is going to be delayed to Q1 2008. :(

I really hope they were wrong.

I'm sick of all the hearsay.

Samsung should report on the status, dammit!

I'm familiar with how bitstreaming works, and also familiar with the notion that despite how easy you make it sound, no other players have been able to do it yet!

But you bring up another good point -- if there aren't any movies that can pass DTS MA on HD DVD, how in the world could this guy get it to bitstream it?

I haven't personally tried it, but I have no reason to doubt the veracity of that poster. I would expect it to work, though. Players like the P1400 or the A35 that have the bitstream capability should be able to send ANY format to the receiver. With bitstreaming, the player essentially is just "passing on" the signal to the receiver, so it wouldn't make much sense for the bitstream not to work with certain types of decoding. That is of course completely different than if the player itself is doing the decoding, then you have issues as to whether the player can decode every type of format. The PS3 is the classic example, it can decode pretty much every format except for DTS MA.

I will know for sure when Pan's Labyrinth comes out in December, I've read that it will have a DTS MA 7.1 track so I'll be checking that out. I'm just not aware of any HD DVD movies right now that have DTS MA, at least not any that I would be interested in watching

I'm familiar with how bitstreaming works, and also familiar with the notion that despite how easy you make it sound, no other players have been able to do it yet!

But you bring up another good point -- if there aren't any movies that can pass DTS MA on HD DVD, how in the world could this guy get it to bitstream it?
I shouldn't have said that about there not being any HD DVDs with DTS MA, at least according to that poster there is at least one :) What I meant to say is I haven't gotten myself around to testing it yet because none of the movies I'm interested in have it. But I do know that the Samsung P1400 is able to bitstream DTS MA, I tested that with Xmen 3.

I got (unofficial) confirmation today that this unit is going to be delayed to Q1 2008. :(

I really hope they were wrong.
What is your "unofficial" source?

I Reported On This Forum A Month Ago,that The Uk General Sales Manager Had Said That There Would Be No 5000 Untill 2008 Several Members Replied That It Would Be Different For The Us. But It Seems It Isent After All,we Will All Have To Wait.

I shouldn't have said that about there not being any HD DVDs with DTS MA, at least according to that poster there is at least one :) What I meant to say is I haven't gotten myself around to testing it yet because none of the movies I'm interested in have it. But I do know that the Samsung P1400 is able to bitstream DTS MA, I tested that with Xmen 3.

Oh, I know the 1400 can do bitstreaming -- there are tons of Fox titles with DTS MA.

But if you check www.formatwarcentral.com and their HD DVD stats, you'll be hard pressed to fine a single HD DVD movie with DTS MA.

Though horrendously off-topic, it just seems a little fishy: 1) No picture of the player in that 805 picture; 2) no mention of DTS MA on Toshiba's website; 3) Apparently, no available movies with DTS MA on HD DVD.

These add up to me thinking he might be pulling a fast one on people.

I Reported On This Forum A Month Ago,that The Uk General Sales Manager Had Said That There Would Be No 5000 Untill 2008 Several Members Replied That It Would Be Different For The Us. But It Seems It Isent After All,we Will All Have To Wait.

:mad: Boo!

I just e-mailed OnSale and they confirmed 1/07/2008 delivery date. :> (

OnSale seemingly changes their delivery estimates every week so I wouldn't take their word as gospel.

OnSale seemingly changes their delivery estimates every week so I wouldn't take their word as gospel.

You mean every day.:eek:

Wow. All the delays and talk of cancellation are not encouraging :( I have to wonder though, what could be going on with this player?

I see a couple of possibilities:

1) They just decided to really go whole hog with this thing. As such, they are reworking it to include internal decoding of DD+, TrueHD, DTS-HD:HR and DTS-HD:MA right out of the gate and/or bitstream output for all of those formats. They may also be reworking it to be BD-Live capable right away. Having all of that would make it the single most advanced player for either format and the fact that it will play both formats would make it more or less the be-all; end-all player!

OR

2) They've seen the way prices are going and are deeply concerned that a $999 unit - even a $799 unit may not be attractive enough when people COULD get a $400 PS3 and a $200 HD-DVD player seperately.

I just e-mailed OnSale and they confirmed 1/07/2008 delivery date. :> (

If they really are pushing it past Christmas, then they'd better be packing it with features AND dropping the price!!

hehe buy.com just told me it "temporarily sold out" and they have no frickin' clue when it will be back in. :p (I wouldn't try preordering from them, as they're more hassle than they're worth if an item isn't in stock when you order).

Samsung must *really* want us (without Blu-Ray) to get the PS3 this holiday season to keep us occupied. Must. resist!

hehe buy.com just told me it "temporarily sold out" and they have no frickin' clue when it will be back in. :p (I wouldn't try preordering from them, as they're more hassle than they're worth if an item isn't in stock when you order).

Samsung must *really* want us (without Blu-Ray) to get the PS3 this holiday season to keep us occupied. Must. resist!

Seriously! I am seriously tempted to get the $399 PS3 when it comes out -- and then sell it when the 5000 appears on this plane of existence.

hehe buy.com just told me it "temporarily sold out" and they have no frickin' clue when it will be back in. :p (I wouldn't try preordering from them, as they're more hassle than they're worth if an item isn't in stock when you order).

Samsung must *really* want us (without Blu-Ray) to get the PS3 this holiday season to keep us occupied. Must. resist!

I have to agree. This is starting to drive me crazy. I have been waiting to jump on either format. When the 5000 was announced, I decided that is when I am going to take the dive. Enough waiting already.

What is your "unofficial" source?

I heard through a Direct Buy rep who contacted Samsung (supposedly).
Considering the Sales rep knew nothing around this player when I contacted them, I will tend to believe them.

But like I said, I did not hear it first hand from Samsung, hence the unofficial statement & source.

But I agree with the rest of you, I wish Samsung would finally make an official annoucement.

Is there no Samsung insider we can ask? Grrr....

I just e-mailed OnSale and they confirmed 1/07/2008 delivery date. :> (

I think my X-mas list just became a PS3 and a HD-A2 :D

Jon

the fact that Samsung isn t making an official statement about a FINAL CERTAIN releasedate makes me want to jump into the Toshiba EP-30 that will come. I will than take my chances and hope for a DTS-MA decoding upgrade for my PS3 AND the EP30 (in US it s the HD30)

I gave up waiting and went for the HD-A35 and the BD-P1400. Right now I get bitstreamed Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA audio decoded on my Onkyo 805, and excellent video from both units. I have an SXRD60XBR1 that accepts 1080i max so I don't care about the 1080p/60-1080p/24 "problems". I figured that by the time I replace (IF I ever replace) my XBR1, my Macs will be able to handle HD/BD and Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA... :D

I think my X-mas list just became a PS3 and a HD-A2 :D

Jon


GREAT COMBO! However, this is what I'm trying to replace. LOL! I'm eyeing the Sammy 5000 for the Reon processor and potential internal decoding of DTS-HD MA. But would really like to make myself hold off and see if Denon or some other high end manufacturer makes a true universal player that will also support SACD and DVD-A.

Of course if the rumors are true that the PS3 gets MA decoding internally then it will be easier for me to hold off.

THE PAIN WE MUST INCUR. DAMN YOU UPGRADE-ITUS!!!

THE PAIN WE MUST INCUR. DAMN YOU UPGRADE-ITUS!!!
I just want to step into Blu-Ray...I refuses to buy another gimped player (the 360 add-on just being a stop gap and I'm not paying attention to HD VMD...whether that be to my own peril or not remains to be seen).

sounds like we're going to have to ask Santa for something else.

I think my X-mas list just became a PS3 and a HD-A2 :D

Jon

I've had both of these and I'm not happy with either. My HD-A2 skipped on at least 1/3 of disks. My PS3 complaint is the fan noise, which is worse than I would have thought. I'd recommend waiting another month anyway to see what happens with the Sammny 5000

I've had both of these and I'm not happy with either. My HD-A2 skipped on at least 1/3 of disks. My PS3 complaint is the fan noise, which is worse than I would have thought. I'd recommend waiting another month anyway to see what happens with the Sammny 5000
I know what you mean about fan noise on PS3, I found it obnoxious. And what's really annoying about it is it starts up right away! If it took at least 30 minutes, it might not be so bad, but basically by the time the FBI warnings are done the fan is going full blast. It was very distracting and that's why I got the P1400 (although I still have the PS3 for games).

fan noise on PS3, I found it obnoxious..

YOU do have to keep that SUPERCOMPUTER inside cool.

No such animal needed if it is just a Movie Player.

I know what you mean about fan noise on PS3, I found it obnoxious. And what's really annoying about it is it starts up right away! If it took at least 30 minutes, it might not be so bad, but basically by the time the FBI warnings are done the fan is going full blast. It was very distracting and that's why I got the P1400 (although I still have the PS3 for games).
I'm content with the 360 for games m'self. The recently built consoles (summer and beyond) are much quieter than the jet engines from the year prior (I don't notice it over my 5.1 surround). That said, I'd like to preserve the 360 itself for gaming (and have better audio options).

On the other side of the coin, never have been a fan of Sony's consoles and their near obliteration of the competition circa 2000.

These are the reasons I want a good DF player. :o Next?

I gave up waiting and went for the HD-A35 and the BD-P1400. Right now I get bitstreamed Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA audio decoded on my Onkyo 805, and excellent video from both units. I have an SXRD60XBR1 that accepts 1080i max so I don't care about the 1080p/60-1080p/24 "problems". I figured that by the time I replace (IF I ever replace) my XBR1, my Macs will be able to handle HD/BD and Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA... :D

does the hd-a35 have hdmi1.3?

does the hd-a35 have hdmi1.3?

Yes.

fafner

Hey... anyone wanna mail me an extra Crutchfield catalog with the $799 price? I've heard you can get some stores to price-match it. :¬) (PM me.)

Hey... anyone wanna mail me an extra Crutchfield catalog with the $799 price? I've heard you can get some stores to price-match it. :¬) (PM me.)

They might price match but NONE of them can DELIVER.

Interesting... Amazon shows the Sammy BD-UP5000 is releasing on Nov 1? Anyone confirm whether this is true or not?

Methinks they haven't updated it in a while having received no good news (OnSale also claimed this date at one point).

I must recommend again staying away from buy.com. Yes, if the item is in stock when you order it, everything should go as planned. Beware if an item hasn't been released yet...if/when you try to cancel the order for said item, they continue to harp on about how the item has sold out (!) and they won't know when they'll get it back. The process of canceling appears to be a long, arduous one for them because they have to send a request to the warehouse, during which time they warn you the item might be shipped before the warehouse is alerted (lol, yea right). That is some horrible streamlining in any event. Samsung might want to reconsider their authorized retailer status with incompetency like this.

...

The process of canceling appears to be a long, arduous one for them because they have to send a request to the warehouse, during which time they warn you the item might be shipped before the warehouse is alerted (lol, yea right). That is some horrible streamlining in any event. Samsung might want to reconsider their authorized retailer status with incompetency like this.

Etailers can get fairly creative when it comes to trying to persuade you to not cancel an order. However, he who controls the money, controls the transaction. Just tell them that you've notified your credit card company to reverse any charges from them and that they'll have to pay for return shipping to get it back. Its not your problem that their (insert excuse) is screwed up and that they might want to get (insert excuse again) fixed.

They might price match but NONE of them can DELIVER.

True, not yet.

If they really are pushing it past Christmas, then they'd better be packing it with features AND dropping the price!!


Or what?

Why the hell should they add more and sell it for less? What the hell is wrong with them making sure its going to be right? I am sick of people wanting the world for nothing... RIGHT NOW.

Justin

Or what?

Why the hell should they add more and sell it for less? What the hell is wrong with them making sure its going to be right? I am sick of people wanting the world for nothing... RIGHT NOW.

Justin
Or we are going to buy separates from the other companies. We don't want things right now....but we want to know whether we should wait or is Samsung going to pull the rug from underneath us. They seem to have already canceled the BDP-2400 and delayed the BD-UP5000. They have yet to release a press release telling us why. Hey, if they are going to improve it than all the better. I am willing to wait, but for the sake of all that is good, please give me some Hi-Def DVD or at least tell me when I can expect it. I have been waiting since the announcement back in March. Otherwise I might have pulled the trigger and bought the Samsung BDP-1200 and Toshiba HD-XA2.

Or what?

Why the hell should they add more and sell it for less? What the hell is wrong with them making sure its going to be right? I am sick of people wanting the world for nothing... RIGHT NOW.

Justin

Here here. I love how grandiose we think of ourselves. We represent a tiny portion of the user base but some think they can hold hostage to a multi billion dollar company by threatening to buy other products. Ridiculous the things people say when waiting for 2 measly months.

If it is being delayed to make sure it works correctly and does MA internally, I'm cool with waiting.

Add SACD and DVD-A support and I'll wait another year!

If it is being delayed to make sure it works correctly and does MA internally, I'm cool with waiting.

Add SACD and DVD-A support and I'll wait another year!
lol, wait another year for 2 formats on life support?:eek:

Etailers can get fairly creative when it comes to trying to persuade you to not cancel an order. However, he who controls the money, controls the transaction. Just tell them that you've notified your credit card company to reverse any charges from them and that they'll have to pay for return shipping to get it back. Its not your problem that their (insert excuse) is screwed up and that they might want to get (insert excuse again) fixed.
Thanks...fortunately, that wasn't necessary. It just took about a day to show up as canceled. Now there's a good chance I might have been unsuccessful if the item was in stock upon making the order.

lol, wait another year for 2 formats on life support?:eek:


Because some of us have a decent sized collection of them already. I personally love both formats. Shame they are dying. If the UP5000 doesn't support either then I still need to keep my current player and buy a 5.1 analog switch box :(

Here here. I love how grandiose we think of ourselves. We represent a tiny portion of the user base but some think they can hold hostage to a multi billion dollar company by threatening to buy other products. Ridiculous the things people say when waiting for 2 measly months.

Man this guy has away with words. AMEN !!! :)

You are exactly correct in your Post. I'll hang loose until I read for myself that the New Samsung once it is released is Performing as Designed. Samsung as far as I am concerned is handling this in a Most-Professional way. Don't pre-release a product when you could hold off and come out with an "Out-Standing-Product".

Those same people that want the player right this second I bet will be the 1st on the Complaint-Wagon if Samsung came out with it and there was anything that it did wrong. So as this Poster said I think if you want 1-HD Dual Format Player and want it to Perform as Designed then either Calm Down and give the Manufacture time to perfect it as much as they can or go as some have decided to do and Purchase 2-HD Players.

I'm personally glad that Samsung is trying it appears to not release it until they feel it is Ready.

Thank-You Samsung for not jumping on the Band-Wagon and throwing another Product on the Public Sector that you know is not ready yet. Great-Job !!!!!


Terry

Man this guy has away with words. AMEN !!! :)

You are exactly correct in your Post. I'll hang loose until I read for myself that the New Samsung once it is released is Performing as Designed. Samsung as far as I am concerned is handling this in a Most-Professional way. Don't pre-release a product when you could hold off and come out with an "Out-Standing-Product".

Those same people that want the player right this second I bet will be the 1st on the Complaint-Wagon if Samsung came out with it and there was anything that it did wrong. So as this Poster said I think if you want 1-HD Dual Format Player and want it to Perform as Designed then either Calm Down and give the Manufacture time to perfect it as much as they can or go as some have decided to do and Purchase 2-HD Players.

I'm personally glad that Samsung is trying it appears to not release it until they feel it is Ready.

Thank-You Samsung for not jumping on the Band-Wagon and throwing another Product on the Public Sector that you know is not ready yet. Great-Job !!!!!


Terry

agreed. How many times have you seen a component released too early just to satisfy some fictitious schedule or frivolous customer exxpectation only to have everybody complain about it's performance afterward? I'm just sure that Samsung would release it if it was ready. But the truth is, it's probably not....and you can't have it both ways. Can we all say 'better late and right than early and wrong'?;)

Agreed. I don't want to get my $1k machine NOW and find out it sucks or is broken in 2 months. I'll wait 2 months to get it and hopefully it lasts for a good, long time.

And, lets face it...someone is going to be selling this baby for $799. I've got no problem at all with that price for what I'm getting.

:D Finally it is good to read from other Members here on AVScience Forum that Samsung is actually on the right path for "WHOM" ?????????? :confused:

Us the Consumers that will be spending their monies $$$$$$$$ for the Samsung Dual-Format Player:

Nice to see that there are some of us that realize that (Speed) and (Delivery) of a NOT-FULLY-DEVELOPED Product is not the way for a Manufacture to go. ;)

Terry

[QUOTE=vinnie97;11962711]lol, wait another year for 2 formats on life support?:eek:

My SACD collection keeps growing (Wagner's complete Ring from Australia just in via Amazon). That's my kind of life support!

I don't mind waiting 2 months for the Samsung -I am remodelling my 1993 home theater anyway and that will take about that long. And as for SACD, my new OPPO 980 ($169) can send DSD or PCM over HDMI to an agreeable receiver or preamp, so I am definitely keeping it! Besides, it can be very easily set to Region zero!

Well, while I'd much rather have the player sooner than later(as I'm sure everyone else would) I too don't mind waiting a little longer if it ensures Samsung delivers a rock-solid machine. Besides, I'd still prefer an all-in-one unit with every major feature than two players that aren't as well equipped.

I just wish we'd get some kind of "official" announcement from Samsung themselves so we can stop speculating on delays, cancellations, etc.

If [TIME(announcement) to Time(on-sale)] varied directly with [Quality(product)] and/or [COMPLETENESS(product)], many of this Forum's threads would be much shorter :D

If [TIME(announcement) to Time(on-sale)] varied directly with [Quality(product)] and/or [COMPLETENESS(product)], many of this Forum's threads would be much shorter :D
To add to this already long thread. I couldn't agree more, well put.

Samsung's press release was on July 5th (http://video.mww.com/Samsung_BD-UP5000_Duo_HD,_HT-BD2,_BD-P2400,_BD-P1400_release.doc) in which they targeted release time to be Q4 2007. Until Dec. 31st passes without it's release, they owe you squat.

If you feel that strongly about it, go picket their North American HQ in NJ or buy the GD separates. Otherwise it's pretty comical making such demands.

Samsung's press release was on July 5th (http://video.mww.com/Samsung_BD-UP5000_Duo_HD,_HT-BD2,_BD-P2400,_BD-P1400_release.doc) in which they targeted release time to be Q4 2007. Until Dec. 31st passes without it's release, they owe you squat.

If you feel that strongly about it, go picket their North American HQ in NJ or buy the GD separates. Otherwise it's pretty comical making such demands.


Who's making demands? All I said is that it would be nice to hear something OFFICIAL from the company so all this speculation about delays and even potential cancellation of the product could be put to rest. Geez, go take a Midol.

Yea, I don't understand the hostility m'self. Dispelling rumors (perpetuated by the likes of DirectBuy and Crutchfield) would be an action of good faith by Samsung. Everyone's just getting antsy waiting for a product that some dodgy establishments claimed they'd have ready to ship *this* month. I suppose we should picket their business HQs instead. ;)

Who's making demands?

Read the previous page MRN; "Or else we will buy other players?" Wasn't talking about you...Brrrrent. So you go ahead and take that Midol. Samsung doesn't owe dhick to anyone, official or otherwise. Don't whine until Dec. 31st passes.

Read the previous page MRN; "Or else we will buy other players?" Wasn't talking about you...Brrrrent. So you go ahead and take that Midol. Samsung doesn't owe dhick to anyone, official or otherwise. Don't whine until Dec. 31st passes.

Hmmmm, did I say they "OWED" anything to anyone? Didn't think so. All I said is that it would be nice for them to clarify the status of the player so we'll know if it's even going to make it to production. Doesn't exactly sound like a hostage taker making demands, does it? Seriously, lose the 'tude and lighten up a little. Nite nite.

Sounds to me like the places that need to do some qualifying are the e-tailers who are advertizing as if they have it in stock. I don't know that it's fair to expect Samsung to clean up something started by others. My guess is the e-tailers are positioning themselves as the 'place to buy' while also taking any pre-orders they can get their hands on. Even without clarification though, the picture is pretty clear. The unit just isn't ready. I'm sure they'll release it when it is. Meantime, we just have to wait:)

Maybe someone could ask Jason if he could do a pre-release power buy? That might make the wait a little easier.........and calm a few folks down;)

...snip

Even without clarification though, the picture is pretty clear. The unit just isn't ready. I'm sure they'll release it when it is. Meantime, we just have to wait:)



Exactly. Its better to wait until it is properly working than to get one that has a bunch of bugs and hope that they'll come out with a firmware update that'll fix them. Besides, some problems are hardware related and firmware updates won't do sqat for those. Even early adopters should understand that.

perhaps they are trying to insure that they can handle expected demand for the unit. aside from trying to make it right, I'm sure they are also trying to insure they can produce enough of them to not have the same thing happen that recently happened with Onkyo. Onkyo lost alot of potential sales because there was more than expected demand for the 905. e tailers were taking huge amounts of preorders but couldn't deliver. many potential buyers got tired of waiting for an Onkyo whilst getting a runaround from the preorder sites concerning delivery dates and bought Denon.

strutter,

Which Denon?

[QUOTE=vinnie97;11962711]lol, wait another year for 2 formats on life support?:eek:


RE: SACD and DVD-A:

Dying formats or not, there is still some great stuff to listen to for years to come even if they become out of print.

Now that being said, I really hope labels release some hi rez music on HD-DVD or BD as time goes on. I really hate that top quality audio in music has gone to the wayside.

strutter,

Which Denon?
over in the 905 thread there were many people undecided between the 905 or the 4308ci. there was 1 or 2 people who actually got one when preordered. but then onkyo couldnt meet demand and everything was back ordered and e-tailers pushed out shipping dates multiple times but never delivered saying onkyo didnt expect such demand.
alot of those sitting on the fence went with what they knew they could get. which for some ended up being the 4308ci and some the 3808ci. these individuals decided that the differences between the onkyo and denon didnt matter if you couldnt get one in hand.

Hmmmm, did I say they "OWED" anything to anyone? Didn't think so. All I said is that it would be nice for them to clarify the status of the player so we'll know if it's even going to make it to production. Doesn't exactly sound like a hostage taker making demands, does it? Seriously, lose the 'tude and lighten up a little. Nite nite.

I think he was talking about the guy that said "THEY BETTER ADD MORE FEATURES AND LOWER THE PRICE" for making us wait.

Justin

Or what?

Why the hell should they add more and sell it for less? What the hell is wrong with them making sure its going to be right? I am sick of people wanting the world for nothing... RIGHT NOW.

Justin

Hey, it wasn't a threat... personally, I'm still waiting, since this is the only player announced that does everything I want. The LG BH200 comes close (I don't need analog outs), but I don't know anything about its upconvert. I'm excited for the BD-UP5000's Reon, and so I'll wait for it.

But considering the relatively slim interest in combo players, they're missing out big time if they don't make the holiday cut. The product isn't going to do very well if it's expensive or feature-incomplete and delayed past the holidays.

I totally agree that I'd rather have a perfect player in a few months than an imperfect one now. My comment was about the marketability of the player.

I totally agree that I'd rather have a perfect player in a few months than an imperfect one now.

I agree...I've waited for this player. I'll wait a little longer.

But considering the relatively slim interest in combo players, they're missing out big time if they don't make the holiday cut.

I concur. Of course, it may be out of their control - they need to be 1.1 or 2.0 compliant, and they're hurrying to have the units shipped by December. But, it seems like now is the ultimate time to attempt to gain support for a dual player.

Of course, the "war" could be raging this time next year (likely will be) and, perhaps that will be their big chance - lowering the price on this unit and bringing out a new one.

I don't mind waiting 2 months for the Samsung..

Agreed. I do worry that although it may be a good tech decision, it may not be great planning if they miss the Xmas season....

Hey, it wasn't a threat... personally, I'm still waiting, since this is the only player announced that does everything I want. The LG BH200 comes close (I don't need analog outs), but I don't know anything about its upconvert. I'm excited for the BD-UP5000's Reon, and so I'll wait for it.

But considering the relatively slim interest in combo players, they're missing out big time if they don't make the holiday cut. The product isn't going to do very well if it's expensive or feature-incomplete and delayed past the holidays.

I totally agree that I'd rather have a perfect player in a few months than an imperfect one now. My comment was about the marketability of the player.

Ah well that makes sense and I agree. Thanks for adding some context to your remarks.

Justin

I visited the BB at the Palisades Mall this morning (Rockland, NY), and asked a salesperson about the status of the Samsung. He wasn't familiar with the BD UP5000 and assumed it was a BD player. The Samsung came up in the computer at $799.00, but there was no official ETA. The guy said he couldn't tell when the machines would arrive, but he did say that the Samsung would have been removed from the computer if it had been cancelled.

He asked why I was so interested in this particular model, then grimaced when I explained it was a dual-format player. He said he wasn't crazy about the LG's performance, so I suggested he do some research on the Samsung.
I went on to say that I felt the Samsung should be a winner, as it has the same Reon Chip that helps my XA2 do a stellar job with SD DVDs. This will be important for many who have a substantial SD DVD collection.

Hopefully, we'll see the Samsung in the not-too-far future.

He asked why I was so interested in this particular model, then grimaced when I explained it was a dual-format player. He said he wasn't crazy about the LG's performance, so I suggested he do some research on the Samsung. I went on to say that I felt the Samsung should be a winner, as it has the same Reon Chip that helps my XA2 do a stellar job with SD DVDs.

And at that point, the salesdude slapped his hands over his ears and ran away yelling "Stop! So many big words...make Mongo's head hurt!!"

videonut,

Since you already have possibly the best hd-dvd player on the market today, why not just buy a stand-alone BD player? I have neither yet and was eagerly anticipating this dual format player to save space in my a/v setup, but the delay is getting to me. However, Samsung has never said they are delaying past year end (nor anything else, either), and are still within the Q4 release date. What to do? Hmmm...

John

And at that point, the salesdude slapped his hands over his ears and ran away yelling "Stop! So many big words...make Mongo's head hurt!!"

Ya a BB sales person is lucky that they MAY be qualified to wash my car. They are definitely not qualified to sell me anything or offer their advice. :) hehe sorry off topic but those guys get under my skin every time I go there.

Justin

Ya a BB sales person is lucky that they MAY be qualified to wash my car.

Wow...you are brave. I'd never let a BB salesguy touch my car. ;)

Wow...you are brave. I'd never let a BB salesguy touch my car. ;)

Most likely he would wash it using a Monster cable. I would take out the extended warranty on this one.

videonut,

Since you already have possibly the best hd-dvd player on the market today, why not just buy a stand-alone BD player? I have neither yet and was eagerly anticipating this dual format player to save space in my a/v setup, but the delay is getting to me. However, Samsung has never said they are delaying past year end (nor anything else, either), and are still within the Q4 release date. What to do? Hmmm...

John
New Year's Eve release date confirmed if the economy hasn't tanked by then?:o:p

I visited the BB at the Palisades Mall this morning (Rockland, NY), and asked a salesperson about the status of the Samsung. He wasn't familiar with the BD UP5000 and assumed it was a BD player. The Samsung came up in the computer at $799.00, but there was no official ETA. The guy said he couldn't tell when the machines would arrive, but he did say that the Samsung would have been removed from the computer if it had been cancelled.

First Crutchfield and now BB... maybe the MSRP was dropped to $799? That'd be a helluva deal for a dual-format player with Reon!

First Crutchfield and now BB... maybe the MSRP was dropped to $799? That'd be a helluva deal for a dual-format player with Reon!

A good deal on a product no one can see feel and touch.
Let alone SHIP :mad:

A good deal on a product no one can see feel and touch.
Let alone SHIP :mad:

I agree until it ship these price mean nothing.

I agree until it ship these price mean nothing.

Yes $799 for NOTHING is very expensive.

$799 for a top notch [1st Class] Combo Player
is absolutely worth it.

And at that point, the salesdude slapped his hands over his ears and ran away yelling "Stop! So many big words...make Mongo's head hurt!!"


I haven't laughed so hard in a long time! Thanks, it felt pretty good.:)

Reply to John: I need a machine for the projector room, and a dual-format with Reon would really fit the bill. The XA2 works overtime in the living room, as my wife and I have plenty of SD DVD movies and TV shows. And I must admit that the XA2 has really spoiled us with its picture quality. If the Samsung can at least equal the XA2's picture quality with SD DVDs, it will be a great home run for many people.

Well, I just received an email that indicates the unit will ship on 12/24. No real explanation as to why - other than it's the holidays and its a new product and...

DB usually just repeats anything the manufacturer says, and I don't think DB would be a "top priority" for Samsung when it comes to shipping these units out. Perhaps retailers and etailers will get this unit sooner.

Obviously this is nothing official, but it is another data point to consider.

Cheers!

a dual-format with Reon would really fit the bill. The XA2 works overtime in the living room, as my wife and I have plenty of SD DVD movies and TV shows. And I must admit that the XA2 has really spoiled us with its picture quality. If the Samsung can at least equal the XA2's picture quality with SD DVDs, it will be a great home run for many people.

Has anyone compared side-by-side the PQ output by a Reon-equipped HD player and a good-quality upscaling SD player, like the Oppo 981? I'm really quite happy with our 981 (output to a 52" Sammy LCD), but curious what improvement I might realize by emptying my pockets for Reon. After all, it will be probably decade before we have as much HD content on disc as we have SD.

Well, I just received an email that indicates the unit will ship on 12/24. No real explanation as to why - other than it's the holidays and its a new product and...

DB usually just repeats anything the manufacturer says, and I don't think DB would be a "top priority" for Samsung when it comes to shipping these units out. Perhaps retailers and etailers will get this unit sooner.

Obviously this is nothing official, but it is another data point to consider.

Cheers!
Great news. Up and down the rollercoaster of October through February release dates we go. :D I'm half-expecting to see some early December dates from some etailers now.

Well, I just received an email that indicates the unit will ship on 12/24. No real explanation as to why - other than it's the holidays and its a new product and...

DB usually just repeats anything the manufacturer says, and I don't think DB would be a "top priority" for Samsung when it comes to shipping these units out. Perhaps retailers and etailers will get this unit sooner.

Obviously this is nothing official, but it is another data point to consider.

Cheers!

Direct Buy(Canada) called me this week to tell me they were refunding my credit card because Samsung has advised them that this product won't be offered in Canada. Certainly hope this turns out to be false as this would have been my next blu-ray player.

Great news. Up and down the rollercoaster of October through February release dates we go. :D I'm half-expecting to see some early December dates from some etailers now.

Until we hear an official date (verified by Samsung) I think I am going to hold of being excited. While this would be a perfect Christmas present to myself, We still haven't herd anything official and as it happened before I think people may get a little too excited about an etailers info. The information has been way to varying as of late, so for now I am waiting patiently so that I can get rid of my current set up and get this player.

Of course you're right, I'm just holding on to any glimmer of hope since my current setup is red only. ;)

Direct Buy(Canada) called me this week to tell me they were refunding my credit card because Samsung has advised them that this product won't be offered in Canada. Certainly hope this turns out to be false as this would have been my next blu-ray player.

This is silly!

Just ordered one for $799 from Best Buy's website. I checked in store availability and no store near me had any in stock. It says it's scheduled to be delivered between 11/7 and 11/20. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully it will finally get released.

Just ordered one for $799 from Best Buy's website. I checked in store availability and no store near me had any in stock. It says it's scheduled to be delivered between 11/7 and 11/20. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully it will finally get released.

I might have to do the same

Groovy, Engadget is reporting today that the player is on track for a December release:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/24/samsungs-bd-u5000-is-on-schedule-for-december/

Random thought...Any idea whether this machine will qualify for the free disc promotions BD and HD-DVD are doing? Free discs from both would be cool, but how do you get 2 UPCs?

Weird is says maximum output is 1080i on BB's website.

Weird is says maximum output is 1080i on BB's website.

Just like I wouldn't let a BB guy touch my car, I wouldn't trust a BB spec if my life depended on it. Seriously, they usually just do a copy-paste job from elsewhere, and since everything else we've heard says this is 1080p, don't sweat it. No way will it be limited to 1080i.

Just ordered one for $799 from Best Buy's website. I checked in store availability and no store near me had any in stock. It says it's scheduled to be delivered between 11/7 and 11/20. I'm not going to get my hopes up, but hopefully it will finally get released.

I'm NOT SURE HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT?

When I tried today - the website will ONLY let me
add it to a wish list - NOT ORDER IT.

I'm NOT SURE HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT?

When I tried today - the website will ONLY let me
add it to a wish list - NOT ORDER IT.


Easy. Best Buy has changed the website since earlier this morning.

Easy. Best Buy has changed the website since earlier this morning.

That in itself says SOMETHING :rolleyes:

I Wonder What?

This player needs to come out already, or at least have a hard date for release.:) Guess my patience is growing thin, but I have been waiting for a while now to jump on the HDM train. I was going to go with and HD DVD player, but why limit myself to one format when the format war might never end. I just hope this Sammy plays regular DVDs as well as the XA2 does, then I will be in heaven.:)

Groovy, Engadget is reporting today that the player is on track for a December release

I also read that on Engadget's (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/24/samsungs-bd-u5000-is-on-schedule-for-december/)site; good work by Ben. According to the timeline the units should be on the slow boat to the US for December release: 2-3 weeks via ocean; 1-3 weeks to disti/retail. Pending any shipping disasters, the units will be on time to make Q4 as noted in the July press release.

Easy. Best Buy has changed the website since earlier this morning.

Yep. They were allowing orders this morning but just changed it to coming soon. I got an e-mail from them later stating it was backordered and would ship in 1-2 weeks. Somehow I doubt I will see it that soon.

I wonder if online retailers will have them available to ship in November :D

Anyway, I don't care, I'm just glad to see I'll have this player before the end of the year!

Thanks for posting that Engadget link. I'm excited that we've finally heard something OFFICIAL from Samsung. Now that it's confirmed this thing will be available in December I can look forward to a Red and Blu Christmas. :cool:

Well said Brent. I have a stack of BRD's from last week's 2 for 1 Disney promotion that I'm anxious to dig in to. Since I only have an HD DVD drive (xbox) right now, they're just collecting dust.