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SpenceJT

10-25-07, 07:29 AM

Okay - What's with this "glass is half empty" attitude!?

I mean here we are ten pages or so back in this thread, voicing major concern as to if the 5000 would be 1.1 compliant. Now that we have confirmation that it 'is', we start leaning toward wishing it was 2.0 compliant!?

I think the Engadet article stated that the Samsung BD-UP5000 would be one of the first, if not 'the' first player released that will actually support BD 1.1!

Before we end up with a thread that reverts to whining about what the player does not have, let's look at what it does and be thankful it is being released at all! I mean this is GREAT NEWS people! It sounds as though Samsung delayed the player to bring it up to spec. and from what I read, "surpass" the other products on the market! They could probably make it upgradeable to 2.0, but at an additional cost and delay for production, which would REALLY set this thread into a tizzy!

Also, think about it from Samsung's side. If they give us everything that we want, it would eat into their market of selling upgrades. Also, who's to say that if this thing were upgradeable to 2.0, or even was delayed so memory could be upgraded to make it so... that the BR camp wouldn't announce a format "2.1", or "2.5" while the unit is in production!

It is the nature of the beast. It takes time to manufacture the product and in that time, the technology is constantly evolving. When you think of it, when have you ever purchased a PC that was not already becoming, or about to become "outdated" or surpassed by the next "cool thing"?

So before we start on the "I wish Samsung..." thread and end up sounding like a bunch of spoiled, ungrateful techno-weenies, think about what we've got.

...or... you can just ignore this post and I'll sit back and drink another Guinness. ;)

Cheers
Spence

vinnie97

10-25-07, 07:41 AM

Oh, my frustration is with the BDA more than anyone else. I'm a pretty big fan of Samsung. ;)

A/Vspec

10-25-07, 07:55 AM

kelpie

10-25-07, 08:05 AM

Okay - What's with this "glass is half empty" attitude!?

Yeah, some "glass is half empty" pessimists tend to go overboard with angst at the slightest suggestion that things aren't going like they would prefer, but then some "glass is half full" optimists tend to get carried away by their enthusiasm and make unsupported claims about their favorite products. I personally try to be a realist. If you think about it, the glass is all the way full. It's just half full of water and half full of air. ;)

You say:

I mean here we are ten pages or so back in this thread, voicing major concern as to if the 5000 would be 1.1 compliant. Now that we have confirmation that it 'is'....

I don't want to sound negative, but the glass isn't quite that full of water. What we have is claims from Engadget and Gizmodo that someone from Samsung told them that the BD-UP5000 has the hardware to be Profile 1.1 "ready" (which we've known since the press release (http://www.broadcom.com/products/Consumer-Electronics/Blu-ray-and-HD-DVD-System-Solutions/BCM7440) announcing that it would have the Broadcom 7440 SoC), but that it would not be Profile 1.1 "compliant" until Samsung releases a firmware update which they think might be ready early next year. Not trying to be pessimistic here, and not whining, but the glass ain't holdin' any water yet, and it could spill before then. Right now we have second hand announcements of water coming next year.

As far as Profile 2 is concerned, the profile standard has already been set (unlike your theoretical 2.1 and 2.5), the BD-UP5000 looks like it has all the hardware necessary to make it compliant with this profile except the persistent memory, and with memory prices these days the cost of adding the necessary memory would be a drop in the bucket. You can see how it might be disappointing to some who look forward to the Profile 2 features that Samsung has apparently chosen not to go that route with this new player.

Just my 2¢,

kelpie

rr6966

10-25-07, 08:17 AM

I just got the latest Crutchfield catalog, lists the Samsung 5000 for $799.

John Ballentine

10-25-07, 09:09 AM

But try ordering it from them.

Joe13***

10-25-07, 09:15 AM

Folks, saw this on the Forum a few minutes ago. If really an official announcement now we can just sit and anticipate for a couple more months.

Joe13

"October 24, 2007 | by Rachel Cericola
No more speculation, kids. Samsung made an official announcement that the BD-UP5000 is coming—and it will be better than we anticipated.

The duo HD player will be BD Profile 1.1 Ready. That means it will have all of the hardware needed to play BD Profile 1.1 discs. However, it won’t play BD Profile 1.1 discs until it gets a firmware update, which won’t be available until January 2008.

In case you can’t keep up, Profile 1.1 allows Blu-ray players to store audio/video data and title updates. It also adds secondary video and audio decoders for picture-in-picture viewing and interactive audio commentary.

Samsung also adds: “Profile 1.1 discs are currently not available and compatibility must be fully tested before we can assure complete compliance to BD Profile 1.1 requirements.”

All that is a nice distraction from the company’’s other news: They are not coming out with the HQV-enhanced BD-P2400. That’s OK. You can use the $600 towards the BD-UP5000’s $1,050 expected price (according to Gizmodo).

The BD-UP5000 is shipping at the end of this month, but it won’t be available at retail until mid-to-late December."

jigesh

10-25-07, 09:22 AM

Which forum? Are you talking about this?:http://www.electronichouse.com/article/samsung_kills_bd_p2400_makes_dual_hd_dvd_player_better/C157

Joe13***

10-25-07, 09:30 AM

It's shown on the AVS Forum Home Page, but links to the Electronic House article.

http://www.avsforum.com/

Joe13

jm_etue

10-25-07, 10:07 AM

another:
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005773.html

kewilson

10-25-07, 01:03 PM

And further confirmation about the specs and release date courtesy of Shane Buettner at Ultimate AV: http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/102407duohd/

javry

10-25-07, 01:16 PM

think I'll wait until January

javry

10-25-07, 01:28 PM

Here's what Amazon is saying today
Samsung BD-UP5000 1080p HD-DVD Blu-Ray Disc Combo Player by Samsung (Nov 1, 2007)

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Raptor007

10-25-07, 01:39 PM

Here's what Amazon is saying today

Amazon hasn't updated that in months. Let's see what actually happens when Nov 1 rolls around. ;)

endeavor

10-25-07, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by valkyrie
ABT - $799, no tax, free shipping. (Check out the Best Buy thread below on the Sammy). Plus, they have price protection. Made it a no-brainer. Cheers.

valkyrie, fwiw, On Sale dot com has it for $20 cheaper than what you said with free shipping, etc... I ordered it 2 weeks ago - but the price is still listed this moment $779

How is that possible.
ABT is $999 :mad:

valkyrie

10-25-07, 03:54 PM

valkyrie, fwiw, On Sale dot com has it for $20 cheaper than what you said with free shipping, etc... I ordered it 2 weeks ago - but the price is still listed this moment $779

Actually, Onsale has it for $779 PLUS shipping with a rebate on the shipping costs, if I'm not mistaken. I hate rebates, honestly. Plus, ABT has a far better reputation than Onsale. (And I'm convinced that if these things start to "trickle out," they'll be headed to ABT before they hit Onsale). Just my 2 cents.

drhankz

10-25-07, 04:21 PM

Here's what Amazon is saying today

AMAZON has had that EXACT SAME listing SINCE September.

Marbles

10-25-07, 05:20 PM

endeavor

10-25-07, 05:37 PM

Actually, Onsale has it for $779 PLUS shipping with a rebate on the shipping costs, if I'm not mistaken. I hate rebates, honestly. Plus, ABT has a far better reputation than Onsale. (And I'm convinced that if these things start to "trickle out," they'll be headed to ABT before they hit Onsale). Just my 2 cents.

Point taken, and so to research your point, I looked over Onsale's reviews on the web - and they were good, but ABT was one star better, and 'I think' by reading lots of reviews may have a better customer service dept, and like you said ABT is a major supplier of Samsung.. ..and so, I called Onsale and canceled my order, and then called ABT and ordered it there by the process as you all have indicated.. it may of cost'd me $10 dollars more but hopefully in the long run, as I think you alluded to, would be worth it for various reasons if ever needed. The only thing I didn't care for about ABT though is they make you put 10% down, while Onsale and Crutchfiled does not.

Raptor007

10-25-07, 07:51 PM

Noobie question. My TV will be hooked up with component in's only, no HDMI inputs.

Will I be able to hook HDMI output from this player to my (soon to arrive) Onkyo 905 receiver for audio and hook component out's to my TV for video?

I understand if I run HDMI to the receiver, the receiver can't send a video signal over component to the TV.

Thanks

What that boils down to is, "Will it output component video at the same time as HDMI audio?" I'm guessing yes, but I don't think that's going to be easy to find out from the spec sheets. You'll probably have to wait until someone gets theirs and can try that out.

x43x

10-25-07, 08:35 PM

Anyone know why they ship at the end of the month but it is taking about 2 months to get into the stores? When they say "shipping," do they mean from Asia?

valkyrie

10-25-07, 09:33 PM

Point taken, and so to research your point, I looked over Onsale's reviews on the web - and they were good, but ABT was one star better, and 'I think' by reading lots of reviews may have a better customer service dept, and like you said ABT is a major supplier of Samsung.. ..and so, I called Onsale and canceled my order, and then called ABT and ordered it there by the process as you all have indicated.. it may of cost'd me $10 dollars more but hopefully in the long run, as I think you alluded to, would be worth it for various reasons if ever needed. The only thing I didn't care for about ABT though is they make you put 10% down, while Onsale and Crutchfiled does not.

Yeah, the 10% down was weird, but I'm guessing it's to hold our place in line. I'm sure if you wanted to cancel, you'd have it back in no time.

I also checked on Samsung's site...ABT is an authorized reseller, Onsale is not. Made me feel good about the purchase. Plus, the price protection can only be a good thing. Back to waiting.... ;)

Samfield

10-25-07, 09:52 PM

Amazon hasn't updated that in months. Let's see what actually happens when Nov 1 rolls around. ;)

For what it's worth, I was just scouting around a Best Buy in Pittsburgh this evening and there was a large sign/placeholder above an empty shelf touting the BD-UP5000 at $799. It was right next to a few LG 200s. The display was only recently put up as I didn't notice it last week. Could be a positive sign that the '5000 may hit store shelves on 11/1...we shall see...

Mr. Good Cat

10-25-07, 10:41 PM

Up for pre order at Amazon. You can add it to your cart. 999.99 with a Nov.1st release date.

Amazon has updated its site!

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5000-HD-DVD-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000VDG0UK******pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1904135-8180850?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1193366497&sr=8-1

drhankz

10-25-07, 10:49 PM

Up for pre order at Amazon. You can add it to your cart. 999.99 with a Nov.1st release date.

Amazon has updated its site!

WOW - Amazon would not do that unless they
are sure of a delivery date. :D

MSmith83

10-25-07, 11:20 PM

Things are looking good. I completely ignored this player until I heard about the official announcement concerning Profile 1.1 support. I was eying the Denon DVD-3800BDCI as a standalone Blu-ray player, but for someone like me who's not using the analog section or its SD DVD capabilities, that player looks like a complete rip-off compared to this Samsung.

I'll let you guinea pigs determine if this will be a dependable replacement for my HD-A2/PS3 combo. :D

MikeLindsey

10-26-07, 12:16 AM

Just saw this on amazon and had to jump over to avs to see what we thought about the 999 price tag. I want this, but not for that price.

Scubawoman

10-26-07, 12:22 AM

ABT is an authorized online Samsung dealer. The warranty may be an issue depending on where you buy it. I've bought other equipment from ABT at least twice before without problem. They pack everything well so it won't get damaged, double boxed with bubble wrap. Makes for a large box but worth the protection. They will price match without any hassle. Free shipping, no sales tax for me, $799 total. Mine is on order.

Brent Madden

10-26-07, 12:24 AM

Interesting that Best Buy is already making shelf space for it at $799 while Amazon is allowing you to order it now for $999. I think it bodes well that the player will be arriving soon, but I am wondering about the $200 price discrepancy. I guess we'll know soon enough.

valkyrie

10-26-07, 01:56 AM

Just saw this on amazon and had to jump over to avs to see what we thought about the 999 price tag. I want this, but not for that price.

Kind of an odd thing to say considering your existing setup (XA2 and PS3). You likely spent far more than $999 (or $799 at ABT) for a dual-solution. Have an integrated one is great for some of us, and $799 is a great deal, considering the specs on the Sammy.

Ph8te

10-26-07, 02:21 AM

vinnie97

10-26-07, 02:33 AM

Buy.com is a PITA...they make a fuss about trying to cancel an order, even when it's clear the item isn't in stock (they're not privy to this information for some reason).

Ph8te

10-26-07, 02:39 AM

Buy.com is a PITA...they make a fuss about trying to cancel an order, even when it's clear the item isn't in stock (they're not privy to this information for some reason).

I know there was a ig discussion on Buy.com earlier, but personally I have never had a problem with them. I also just wanted to give people an alternative. I wont be getting it from them, but it is another retailer that is offering it for less than $999.

JimP

10-26-07, 02:40 AM

Just checked out Buy.com they have it for 855.99 BUT they have the retail at 1049 when it is actually 999 (per last report I saw from Samsung). Its Temp out of stock but another choice for all of you. Personally I am waiting untill we get closer to the release date.

http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-hi-def-duo-player/q/loc/111/205467082.html

That confirms for me that Amazon will likely have it at a better price once they're shipping.

.....and not to be a party pooper, but this is one of those products that you really don't want to be an early adopter with. Just think about it. Samsung's first entry into HD-DVD in conjunction to their first universal HD player. Too many things can go wrong and who wants to spend $800-$1,000 and have to deal with firmware updates for the next year to get it working reasonably well.

vinnie97

10-26-07, 03:04 AM

I know there was a ig discussion on Buy.com earlier, but personally I have never had a problem with them. I also just wanted to give people an alternative. I wont be getting it from them, but it is another retailer that is offering it for less than $999.
Yea, I read that spiel as well ;) ..and like I said earlier in the thread, if you don't vacillate and have firmly made up your mind on said item at buy.com without any intention of cancellation, you'll be fine.

It's been at that price with buy.com for a while. I canceled my previous order because all they could tell me was it was "temporarily sold out," which is a bit of a joke for an item that hasn't even come to market yet. They don't even put up a minimal description of the item...very poor form.

valkyrie

10-26-07, 03:49 AM

.....and not to be a party pooper, but this is one of those products that you really don't want to be an early adopter with. Just think about it. Samsung's first entry into HD-DVD in conjunction to their first universal HD player. Too many things can go wrong and who wants to spend $800-$1,000 and have to deal with firmware updates for the next year to get it working reasonably well.

Um...okay. I got one of the first Toshiba A1's and I still have it. Never had a problem playing anything and that was a first gen product with NO history. What makes you so sure that Samsung won't deliver? I understand some people's reluctance to buy into a new product, but if you feel so strongly, you should probably wait it out. I'm an early adopter, and proud of it. I'm usually on my 2nd or 3rd of whatever it is before even my first friend buys in. I'm willing to take the risk, and apparently many of us here are. Even the prototype got rave reviews, I think a polished product will deliver. That's just my opinion, anyway.

JimP

10-26-07, 06:28 AM

valkyrie,

Using your A1 example, many people including myself have had problems with them. Then there are other products that I've been an early adopter for that have had promised firmware updates to fix known problems that never materialized.

I guess my tolerance for consumer electronics is fairly low. With that said, I did buy a first year car last month. Talking about straining nats while letting elephants charge through. No problems with the C300. :)

cmf

10-26-07, 10:36 AM

New news straight from Samsung:

"Samsung said the Duo HD player is now scheduled to ship from Samsung factories at the end of October and will be available to consumers at retail by mid to late December."

Full story: http://www.twice.com/article/CA6494367.html?nid=2402

The 2400 model has been officially dropped as well.

geb724

10-26-07, 01:35 PM

I apologize if this may be off topic.

What is the difference between bitstream and LPCM?

If I use HDMI connections which should I select?

shinksma

10-26-07, 02:38 PM

I apologize if this may be off topic.

What is the difference between bitstream and LPCM?

If I use HDMI connections which should I select?

yeah, it is probably a bit off-topic. There is probably a thread on this topic in the audio theory or HD Software Media fora, though searches for "HDMI" or "bitstream" are hard to wade through...

Bitstream is what it sounds like: the exact stream of bits as provided by the source disk. So a bitstream output of a disk with DD audio will be the DD audio, still encoded as Dolby Digital. DTS is another encoding that can be output as bitstream.

LPCM is the audio in an uncompressed digital form. In almost all cases, the compressed (and sometimes lossy) encodings of TrueHD, DTS, DD+ etc get converted to LPCM, even if it is just before being converted again to analog within the receiver.

The following paragraph assumes players are capable of all codecs. That is not true most of the time, though, so be forewarned. For example, almost no players support DTS-HD MA. Also, very few players and receivers are HDMI 1.3: most are HDMI 1.2 or 1.1.

On BDs, LPCM is one of the encodings, usually along with one or more of DolbyTrueHD, DTS-HD (MA or HR), DD+, DD, and regular DTS. If you select LPCM as the output mode, then regardless of which audio mode you select from the disk, the player will output LPCM over HDMI. If you select bitstream, then the raw audio encode gets output over HDMI 1.3. Over HDMI 1.2 or 1.1, LPCM, DD, and DTS will get output raw, but the other formats have to be converted, usually to regular DD or DTS, prior to output over HDMI.

On HD DVDs, the same is true except that almost no HD DVDs have LPCM (although I believe it is supported in the standard...).

In the end, the only reason to output bitstream instead of LPCM via HDMI is if your receiver can convert the codec but the player can't.

IMHO, and IIRC, plus YMMV, naturally all apply to the above.

shinksma

jacket_fan

10-26-07, 02:55 PM

Looks like CMF found an offical Samsung announcement. I suspect they are doing everything they can to get product out to the US prior to Christmas. Looking forward to folks getting these and giving feedback.

jm_etue

10-26-07, 03:10 PM

crussell1492

10-26-07, 04:32 PM

will there be any dual format players that do 1080.24 for both HD-DVD and Blue-Ray?

Nomb

10-26-07, 04:35 PM

Now that we know that the Samsung will be profile 1.1 - ready, we're already hearing that its a travesty that it isn't profile 2.0 capable.

I know that a few Disney discs will have associated internet content in 2008, but i'd bet money that the content wont be exclusive to those who have the 2.0 players.

Hell, we'll most likely see more gateways into our homes so that people can sell us stuff - you know:

"Thanks for visiting our exclusive on - line content that you* alone have access to! Now run to your computer with your credit card...

*you as in 1.1 million hits to this web site"
Think about it though, does it really matter that it doesn't satisfy the 1GB storage requirement? The player has an ethernet port and it can connect to the internet, in my opinion, as long as the player has SOME storage, it will be fine.

I think that they'll be able to add software to enable any bdlive features. The only place it falls short is 256MB of storage vs the required 1GB for profile 2. Maybe I'm completely off base, but it makes sense to me.

Nomb

10-26-07, 04:36 PM

will there be any dual format players that do 1080.24 for both HD-DVD and Blue-Ray?
This player supports 1080p/24 for both hddvd and bluray. Confirmed a while ago.

crussell1492

10-26-07, 04:40 PM

Amazon says this player does support 1080/24 for both formats, this thread seems to indicate it does not, though I did not ready every post...is the amazon correct?
thanks

crussell1492

10-26-07, 04:42 PM

OK, that is great news, I use an Toshiba A2 now, just ordred the Panny A2000 projector so I defintely want to get a player that can do 1080/24, thanks

PNYBOY

10-26-07, 04:49 PM

Just ordered mine from one**ll. I paid $999. with free shipping. Also got the no interest for one year.

videonut

10-26-07, 05:42 PM

I've ordered one from One**ll for $799.00 with free 3 day FedX delivery.

mchuckp

10-26-07, 06:36 PM

Think about it though, does it really matter that it doesn't satisfy the 1GB storage requirement? The player has an ethernet port and it can connect to the internet, in my opinion, as long as the player has SOME storage, it will be fine.

I think that they'll be able to add software to enable any bdlive features. The only place it falls short is 256MB of storage vs the required 1GB for profile 2. Maybe I'm completely off base, but it makes sense to me.

I'm betting it won't be 2.0 compliant but will be able to play 2.0 discs as long as the disc doesn't require a ton of memory. May only be able to do some stuff.

Of course, Samsung my choose to not use this option so you can buy a new player later on.

jm_etue

10-26-07, 06:53 PM

I'm betting it won't be 2.0 compliant but will be able to play 2.0 discs as long as the disc doesn't require a ton of memory. May only be able to do some stuff.

Of course, Samsung my choose to not use this option so you can buy a new player later on.

Every player will play a 2.0 disc - its the extra content and features that will require internet and storage.

I don't think the bdlive stuff will detract from actually watching a movie - maybe for alternate endings etc.

Glashub

10-26-07, 08:56 PM

Videonut are you saying you ordered from Onec**l or Oncall?

jlanzy

10-26-07, 09:33 PM

Videonut are you saying you ordered from Onec**l or Oncall?

Onec**l , I just checked it out, it's a pre-order, seems like a reasonable deal, I think they are a trustworthy site.

The only thing that could be an issue is if there is a problem with the unit, you probably have to contact samsung and sending it in, etc. If you get from a local big box store, usually they'll just take it back and refund you and you can pick up another. Of course, it probably will be for the full $999, but for $200, it may be worth it if there is a problem, then at least you won't be out of player waiting for them fix it. My thoughts are that if I'm going to jump on this out of the gate with out waiting to see how others are fairing with it, paying the extra may be worth it.

joe

Ph8te

10-26-07, 10:43 PM

Onec**l , I just checked it out, it's a pre-order, seems like a reasonable deal, I think they are a trustworthy site.

The only thing that could be an issue is if there is a problem with the unit, you probably have to contact samsung and sending it in, etc. If you get from a local big box store, usually they'll just take it back and refund you and you can pick up another. Of course, it probably will be for the full $999, but for $200, it may be worth it if there is a problem, then at least you won't be out of player waiting for them fix it. My thoughts are that if I'm going to jump on this out of the gate with out waiting to see how others are fairing with it, paying the extra may be worth it.

joe

I ordered my TV from them and can say that they are very trustworthy. I would rank them as high if not a little better then Crutchfield. I am wanting to pull the trigger on this, but I have to get "approval" first. For Onec*ll to have it at $799 this might be the new "street" price of the unit as we have seen it more then once (BB, OnSale, Crutchfield). As with ordering anything online there are always risks to take, but I think I could live with shipping back this unit if I had an issue, especially since it only has a 90 Day from Sammy.

Jeff Regan

10-27-07, 12:53 AM

I think $799.00 is the MAP. One Call normally posts MSRP or MAP when an item
first comes out, ditto Crutchfield and BB. This is the price that Samsung needs
to be at because of the LG LH100 new price point.

My dealings with One Call have always been positive and they have a good price
match policy. I'm glad I ordered this player from them in August.

Ph8te

10-27-07, 05:40 AM

The only thing that really sux is that there are as of now no free movies with this player :( :P...Whooohoooo I found somehting to complain about ;)

JimP

10-27-07, 07:03 AM

What free movies? Did Samsung have a promo similar to Toshiba?

Jonathan Teller

10-27-07, 08:24 AM

What free movies? Did Samsung have a promo similar to Toshiba?

Both the Blu-ray camp and the HD-DVD camp have been offering 5 free movies via mail-in rebate for some time now. Samsung is also offering another 3 free Blu-ray movies by mail with their P1400 player, one disc is automatically from the BBC "Planet Earth" series and the other two you pick from a small list. And retailers like Amazon and Best Buy have been offering two free movies at purchase (usually pre-selected by the retailer) for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray player purchases.

For example, Amazon is packing in "The Bourne Identity" and "300" with any HD-DVD player right now.

Best Buy is offering 2 free blu-ray movies from the same small selection of titles as Samsung's mail-in offer with the P1400, except you get them right away from the store, but you do not get the "Planet Earth" disc. And you can get any 2 HD-DVD movies free with any HD-DVD player.

So, for the moment, you can get 7 free Blu-ray movies with the Samsung P1400 (or 8 if you're willing to do the mail-in offer to get the "Planet Earth" disc) and 7 free HD-DVD movies with any HD-DVD player.

But the dual format players - the LG BH200 and this Samsung UP5000 - they apparently do not qualify for either camp's mail-in offer and no retailer I know of is offering any free movies packed-in. Samsung may have some kind of offer of their own since they had the 3 free by mail for the P1400, but it looks like the 5 free from the Blu-ray Group by mail and the 5 free from the HD-DVD camp by mail will not be offered for dual format players.

So if you total it up, you could buy the P1400 and the A35 for $998 retail (less with some of the discounts out there - under $850 for both) AND get 15 free discs - 2 packed in with the HD-A35 and the other 13 by mail. That would give you bitstream audio output for ALL audio formats (with full 7.1 discrete capability no less) for both formats as well as 1080p/24 output for both formats. You'd also be getting 5.1 analogue outputs for both formats if you have a non-HDMI receiver. About the only things you'd be giving up that the UP5000 would give you are the Reon VX video processing, profile 1.1 for Blu-ray (since the P1400 is profile 1.0 only) and the possibility of DTS-HD Master Audio decoding with 7.1 analogue outputs. If you have a HDMI 1.3 receiver with TrueHD and DTS-HD:HR & MA decoding though, the price for the two seperate players is about the same as what the UP5000 looks like it will cost and all you'd be giving up are the Reon VX processing and profile 1.1 on Blu-ray, but you'd be gaining 15 discs!

We're getting a bit screwed up here in Canada where I am. We only get the 5 free discs by mail. No two free movies packed-in with HD-DVD players and no 3 free by mail from Samsung. And we're getting mega boned on price with the P1400 retailing for $100 more than the US MSRP and the A-35 retailing for $50 more than US MSRP. Plus the Blu-ray group is charging us $10 for shipping the 5 free titles! So so far, our stronger than US dollar is getting us absolutely nothing :mad:

Anywho, there's a strong argument to be made for getting the two seperate players. I'd say the biggest selling points for the UP5000 are the Reon processor, having profile 1.1 capability and possibly getting DTS-HD:MA internal decoding along with its 7.1 analogue outputs. Do all of those things add up to 15 free movies to you (or 10 for us screwed-over canucks)? That's the big question. And if it turns out that DTS-HD:MA internal decoding doesn't happen (which I'm not going to believe it will until it is absolutely, positively confirmed), then we're just down to Reon and profile 1.1, which starts to look a little weak in the face of 15 free discs. Just my opinion, of course ;)

Jon

D_B_0673

10-27-07, 08:39 AM

how do you manange the 6 cable analog audio outputs from 2 players into your reciever. My reciever only has 1 set of inputs, but perhaps others have 2 sets of inputs.

I wish someone would make a player the just output the 1080 p resolutions without all the extra exspense of reon processsors etc. I hav a vp that will do a better job and will not use any processing from any player

you do make a compelling case though

JAB

10-27-07, 08:49 AM

how do you manange the 6 cable analog audio outputs from 2 players into your reciever.

http://www.zektor.com/mas71/index.html

Of course, that drives the cost of two players up a bit. :D

/jab

P.S. Assuming you meant 8-cable analog audio. For 6-cable, you could use this (http://www.zektor.com/hds41/index.html).

Blindamood

10-27-07, 10:05 AM

I have the Zektor MAS7.1 and it works perfectly. In addition to the switching of analog outputs, it also switches HDMI video/audio (1.3a). Since I love my Rotel processor, it was the perfect solution. Even if I do get the BD-UP5000 (which intend to eventually), I would still need it for switching between it and my DVD-A/SACD player.

videonut

10-27-07, 10:32 AM

Videonut are you saying you ordered from Onec**l or Oncall?

Jlanzy seems to have answered for me, but he's conjecturing.

One Call is a "Big Box" operation. I've purchased many big ticket items (TVs, Projectors, Amps) from them and never had any problems with delivery, or returns.

And 799.00 seems to be the normal price. That is what Crutchfield and Best Buy are asking right out of the gate; Crutchfield always charges list price on new items.

videonut

10-27-07, 10:53 AM

and all you'd be giving up are the Reon VX processing and profile 1.1 on Blu-ray, but you'd be gaining 15 discs!

then we're just down to Reon and profile 1.1, which starts to look a little weak in the face of 15 free discs. Just my opinion, of course ;) Jon

REPLY: That's a pretty ridiculous statement to many of us who own thousands of SD-DVDs,

Hey, I can get a free set of tires if I get rid of the supercharger in my Cobra. I don't think so :eek:

JAB

10-27-07, 11:11 AM

Trading the HQV processing for 15 free discs is much more tempting if you already feed all video through a HQV or Gennum VXP based processor. However, it's the use of yet another HDMI input, yet another set of remote codes and yet another slot in my rack that drives me to give up 15 free discs. Besides, I already have a NetFlix subscription; the discs can be rented anytime I want. YMMV.

/jab

PNYBOY

10-27-07, 11:58 AM

Onec*ll just adjusted the price for me to $799.00. woohoo!!!

crussell1492

10-27-07, 12:46 PM

Vampyro

10-27-07, 01:29 PM

Does the sammy do region-free SD disc playback? that would totally kick ass

JAB

10-27-07, 06:13 PM

Amazon appears to have just closed the pre-order. Now, you can only sign-up to be notified when it becomes available. Did the order date slip? Or, did they take enough pre-orders to cover their inventory plus expected cancellations?

/jab

Ph8te

10-27-07, 06:48 PM

Does the sammy do region-free SD disc playback? that would totally kick ass

I do not believe so, but thats not something they would advertise stateside anyways.

Ph8te

10-27-07, 06:49 PM

I am sorry if this is in this post, but I have not been able to get a clear answer to : does the Up5000 provide bitstream audio, like the A35 does or the XA2 is supposed to, some day, if it does, this seems like the way to go for users in both camps, I have an A2 now, want to go to 1080/24p to go with the new Panny 2000 PJ I just ordered, and want to add BlueRay, at this proce if it does bitstream, this seems like a no-brainer...also does HQV processor upconvert SD disks as well as the Reon procesor in the Xa2 is supposed to do?

From all that I have read this player will decode all the advanced audio and bitstream (DTS HD MA after firmware). Just do a search for DTS within this thread or take a look at the thread in this forum about a similar audio codec question.

Ph8te

10-27-07, 06:51 PM

Both the Blu-ray camp and the HD-DVD camp have been offering 5 free movies via mail-in rebate for some time now. Samsung is also offering another 3 free Blu-ray movies by mail with their P1400 player, one disc is automatically from the BBC "Planet Earth" series and the other two you pick from a small list. And retailers like Amazon and Best Buy have been offering two free movies at purchase (usually pre-selected by the retailer) for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray player purchases.

For example, Amazon is packing in "The Bourne Identity" and "300" with any HD-DVD player right now.

Best Buy is offering 2 free blu-ray movies from the same small selection of titles as Samsung's mail-in offer with the P1400, except you get them right away from the store, but you do not get the "Planet Earth" disc. And you can get any 2 HD-DVD movies free with any HD-DVD player.

So, for the moment, you can get 7 free Blu-ray movies with the Samsung P1400 (or 8 if you're willing to do the mail-in offer to get the "Planet Earth" disc) and 7 free HD-DVD movies with any HD-DVD player.

But the dual format players - the LG BH200 and this Samsung UP5000 - they apparently do not qualify for either camp's mail-in offer and no retailer I know of is offering any free movies packed-in. Samsung may have some kind of offer of their own since they had the 3 free by mail for the P1400, but it looks like the 5 free from the Blu-ray Group by mail and the 5 free from the HD-DVD camp by mail will not be offered for dual format players.

So if you total it up, you could buy the P1400 and the A35 for $998 retail (less with some of the discounts out there - under $850 for both) AND get 15 free discs - 2 packed in with the HD-A35 and the other 13 by mail. That would give you bitstream audio output for ALL audio formats (with full 7.1 discrete capability no less) for both formats as well as 1080p/24 output for both formats. You'd also be getting 5.1 analogue outputs for both formats if you have a non-HDMI receiver. About the only things you'd be giving up that the UP5000 would give you are the Reon VX video processing, profile 1.1 for Blu-ray (since the P1400 is profile 1.0 only) and the possibility of DTS-HD Master Audio decoding with 7.1 analogue outputs. If you have a HDMI 1.3 receiver with TrueHD and DTS-HD:HR & MA decoding though, the price for the two seperate players is about the same as what the UP5000 looks like it will cost and all you'd be giving up are the Reon VX processing and profile 1.1 on Blu-ray, but you'd be gaining 15 discs!

We're getting a bit screwed up here in Canada where I am. We only get the 5 free discs by mail. No two free movies packed-in with HD-DVD players and no 3 free by mail from Samsung. And we're getting mega boned on price with the P1400 retailing for $100 more than the US MSRP and the A-35 retailing for $50 more than US MSRP. Plus the Blu-ray group is charging us $10 for shipping the 5 free titles! So so far, our stronger than US dollar is getting us absolutely nothing :mad:

Anywho, there's a strong argument to be made for getting the two seperate players. I'd say the biggest selling points for the UP5000 are the Reon processor, having profile 1.1 capability and possibly getting DTS-HD:MA internal decoding along with its 7.1 analogue outputs. Do all of those things add up to 15 free movies to you (or 10 for us screwed-over canucks)? That's the big question. And if it turns out that DTS-HD:MA internal decoding doesn't happen (which I'm not going to believe it will until it is absolutely, positively confirmed), then we're just down to Reon and profile 1.1, which starts to look a little weak in the face of 15 free discs. Just my opinion, of course ;)

Jon

You are correct that is exactly what I was talking about, but with recent sales I am not to worried about getting discs. THe 1st gen LG did come with 10 free discs(5 and 5 I believe) from Best Buy when it came out, but I never saw a similar deal when the 2nd gen came out.

videonut

10-28-07, 10:55 AM

Onec*ll just adjusted the price for me to $799.00. woohoo!!!

Reply: I'm glad I brought the latest price to your attention ;)

videonut

10-28-07, 11:12 AM

Those not too familiar with the Reon Chip should check this out:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782887

After reading this, you will probably realize why many XA2 owners can't live without the chip, and also why many feel that the use of this chip in the upcoming Samsung BD-UP5000 is a real home run.;)

BJBBJB

10-28-07, 11:33 AM

Am I correct after reading all of the posts on this thread and a few others that the second gen LG combo player does not have 7.1 analog outs? From the one picture I saw, the version there sure seemed like it did not. But I have no idea if it was a production unit.

This is pretty important as I have a non-HDMI receiver.

Also, I am curious about one thing...I am known to pre-order like many here have. And the price listed above is pretty appealing. However if it is available at retail in December, is this something that one of the big-box retailers will have at about the same time as the mail-order places ship, at about the same price as we are seeing now? And maybe with free discs?

I am sure there are some here much more familiar with these rollouts than I am.

Thanks!
BJBBJB

Ph8te

10-28-07, 02:21 PM

eiger

10-28-07, 04:46 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung mis-calculates the amount of units to put into the Channel on release date and there aren't enough to last through the holidays. Typical bonehead move made by many.

videonut

10-28-07, 09:18 PM

We'd had a similar wait with the Toshiba XA2, but once they hit the street there were enough to go around.

markymiles

10-29-07, 09:59 AM

Magnus_CA

10-29-07, 11:43 AM

akosoft

10-29-07, 12:28 PM

You don't need HDMI in your receiver...a digital optical in or coaxial in will work.

If you only wanna have dd or dts, but for thrue hd analog or hdmi is a must :)

markymiles

10-29-07, 12:30 PM

I was concerned with the new HD Audio Formats that wont pass down Coaxial or Optical ie Dolby True HD, PCM Lossless 5.1 and DTS HD Master Audio.

Lots of talk on video not so much on audio quality. Just thought I'd check if anyone knew the dacs used in this Samsung or maybe has done some a/b testing on Analog vs HDMI for the new formats and a similar machine.

Magnus_CA

10-29-07, 12:34 PM

kelpie

10-29-07, 01:12 PM

Lots of specs available re the Video processing but does anyone have idea what audio chip/s the Samsung uses ie Burr Brown etc.
I don't have an HDMI equipped amp just yet so was wondering what the quality is likely to be from the Analog outs.

I was concerned with the new HD Audio Formats that wont pass down Coaxial or Optical ie Dolby True HD, PCM Lossless 5.1 and DTS HD Master Audio.

Lots of talk on video not so much on audio quality. Just thought I'd check if anyone knew the dacs used in this Samsung or maybe has done some a/b testing on Analog vs HDMI for the new formats and a similar machine.

Just a guess here, but the BD-UP5000 is using Broadcom's 7440 (http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7440-PB100-R.pdf) System-on-a-chip (SoC) that includes on-board audio processing for the 7.1 analog audio out, (apparently) processing of lossless codecs, etc. audio features that have been announced for the player. I wouldn't be surprised if the Samsung used the SoC for audio, rather than also including separate DAC's. The spec sheet for the player (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=89517&d=1189736967) mentions a "24-bit/192 kHz audio D/A converter", but I haven't seen any specifics.

HTH

markymiles

10-29-07, 01:39 PM

Thanks, like you say it does look as though the SoC takes care of everything Audio and Video wise.

syk69

10-29-07, 02:07 PM

tpan413

10-29-07, 05:15 PM

My TV has only a DVI input. If I get an HDMI to DVI cable will it affect the quality of the picture?

dalancroft

10-29-07, 05:33 PM

My TV has only a DVI input. If I get an HDMI to DVI cable will it affect the quality of the picture?

Only difference between DVI and HDMI is that HDMI passes audio too, while DVI passes video only -- the same video that the HDMI would have passed.

miata

10-30-07, 03:13 AM

Anybody know if the BD-UP5000 will have discrete ON/OFF IR commands? Currently, my two HDM components are the only ones that do not have discrete ON/OFF IR commands (using the PS3 and HD-XA2). I would love to simplify my life.

Mia_Garcia

10-30-07, 09:33 AM

Amazon.com changed the availability this morning.

Current status:

"Availability: This item will be released on November 1, 2007. Pre-order now!"

Here's to hoping. *cheers*

Tim Winders

10-30-07, 09:42 AM

Amazon.com changed the availability this morning.

Current status:

"Availability: This item will be released on November 1, 2007. Pre-order now!"

Here's to hoping. *cheers*

Aaaarrrrggggghhhhh!!! What about the status of DTS-MA internal decoding? Sheesh... come on samsung!

vinnie97

10-30-07, 09:46 AM

hehe, feel like I'm on a see-saw.

Mia_Garcia

10-30-07, 10:12 AM

Sure this is old news by now, but for what it's worth...

CNet Preview:

"This post has been updated to reflect information from a Samsung representative that the BD-UP5000 will have onboard decoding for all high resolution audio formats, including DTS-HD Master Audio."

Tim Winders

10-30-07, 10:19 AM

arbitrage000

10-30-07, 12:14 PM

No, I missed that. That is fantastic news!

Also this article from September.... http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9778543-1.html
Probably where CNEt updated the other page from...but has more of the gory details and skepticism.

ckelly33

10-30-07, 01:28 PM

JimP

10-30-07, 01:44 PM

Amazon.com changed the availability this morning.

Current status:

"Availability: This item will be released on November 1, 2007. Pre-order now!"

Here's to hoping. *cheers*

Do you ever get the feeling that Amazon's webmaster is following this thread and changes things on their website just to see how long it takes to show up on this thread?????

Raptor007

10-30-07, 02:06 PM

anybody know if this player will upconvert dvd's to 1080p/24? or is that even possible?

i know it does the 1080p/24 for hd dvd's and blu ray. just wondering how it would look on a 5010fd pio plasma with advanced mode on from the pure cinema settings for regular dvd's.

I'm pretty sure DVDs are stored with the 3:2 pulldown built-in, not 24fps like Blu-ray/HD-DVD. If I'm right about that, then no it can't.

My TV has only a DVI input. If I get an HDMI to DVI cable will it affect the quality of the picture?

Your picture will be the same as long as your DVI TV supports HDCP.

HDMI and DVI send the same video signal, but HDMI monitors always support HDCP protection whereas it's not required in a DVI monitor. Not sure what'll happen if your monitor doesn't support HDCP, but I'm guessing no picture at all.

Also, audio can be transmitted over HDMI but not DVI. But since you're running it straight to your TV, I assume you'll be connecting your audio separately to the receiver, so that's no problem.

Raptor007

10-30-07, 02:28 PM

Amazon.com changed the availability this morning.

Current status:

"Availability: This item will be released on November 1, 2007. Pre-order now!"

Here's to hoping. *cheers*

Awesome news, but they're still showing the (out-dated?) $999 price. I was really hoping to see $799 there too.

akwon1218

10-30-07, 03:06 PM

Go to One_Call ($799 as of 10/30/07) or OnSale ($779 as of 10/30/07)...

Raptor007

10-30-07, 03:33 PM

Go to One_Call ($799 as of 10/30/07) or OnSale ($779 as of 10/30/07)...

I was hoping $799 was the new MSRP, since BB and Crutchfield are listing that price. That would be awesome, as we'd definitely see street prices drop below the PS3/A2 combo. But Amazon listing at $999 makes me believe MSRP is still at least $999. (Very surprising to see Amazon higher than BB and Crutchfield!)

But I'm not upset about it, since it will be available from several places for $799 and that's still a great deal.

Let's see what happens Nov 1... :)

Trackman

10-30-07, 04:10 PM

Does anyone know/believe if/that the Sammy will output the advanced audio codecs as 2.1 pcm for stereo setups (like the XA2 does)?

CCONKLIN1

10-30-07, 04:21 PM

just placed an order with amazon and received a confirmation email stating that they expect to ship around January 14th-28, even though the website said it will be in stock november 1st. Just an fyi
Best,
Chris

x43x

10-30-07, 04:22 PM

Amazon has once again updated their site. It now shows a release date of January 1st, 2008. The $999 price is crossed out and is now $799. I hope we don't have to wait that long...

demonfoo

10-30-07, 04:22 PM

Amazon's also showing $799 as of today. I'm really, really, really tempted...

Edit: Beaten; and 1/1/08? What now?

drhankz

10-30-07, 04:32 PM

Amazon's also showing $799 as of today. I'm really, really, really tempted...

Edit: Beaten; and 1/1/08? What now?

Who will have money left after Xmas :mad:

texrb

10-30-07, 04:55 PM

Who will have money left after Xmas :mad:

That's why they want you to order now so you won't think about all the money you need to spend on Christmas! I am surprised the date was pushed back to January, 2008.

drhankz

10-30-07, 05:02 PM

That's why they want you to order now so you won't think about all the money you need to spend on Christmas! I am surprised the date was pushed back to January, 2008.

I DID CLICK the BUY IT NOW BUTTON on Amazon.

Now I can FORGET about it until NEXT YEAR :rolleyes:

Mia_Garcia

10-30-07, 06:06 PM

*sighs*

What a rollercoaster of a day.

Regardless, I'm feeling optimistically skeptical about all this.

I'll be making my local electronic store rounds this weekend. :p

*crosses fingers*

ckelly33

10-30-07, 07:11 PM

discrete hex codes

Power Off:

0000 006D 0022 0002 0157 00AC 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0689 0157 0056 0015 0E94

the PLAY command is the discrete on

here tis (for the XA2): hex code for PLAY which also works as discrete ON:

0000 006D 0022 0002 0156 00AD 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0015 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 05FC 0156 0055 0015 0E5C

texrb

10-30-07, 07:41 PM

I DID CLICK the BUY IT NOW BUTTON on Amazon.

Now I can FORGET about it until NEXT YEAR :rolleyes:

Yeah the fact they moved the date back after the order is lousy. Obviously they are not sure when Samsung is releasing the product either. I am waiting to buy it when it comes to Best Buy. I have quite a few gift cards & will use them toward the purchase. I am assuming Best Buy will sell it for $799 based on what I have seen posted here, but my local BB hasn't mentioned a price or a time. They are waiting for an announcement from Samsung too. Of course I am encouraged by BB to 'buy the 1400 & a Tosh A30' - but I am holding out for the Samsung dual player. :D

Charles R

10-30-07, 08:37 PM

Today I noticed my local Best Buy had a price tag for this player. It was priced at $799 with zero currently in stock. They must be getting close if they reserved the shelf space... hopefully.

rynberg

10-30-07, 08:43 PM

My TV has only a DVI input. If I get an HDMI to DVI cable will it affect the quality of the picture?

Unlike the first two replies you got, there is a possible problem with this. The problem is that Samsung could stupidly output PC video instead of Studio video levels when using an HDMI-DVI connection (like Toshiba STUPIDLY does on all of their HD-DVD players).

Hopefully this won't be the case (it hasn't been with any of their BD players). If the Samsung properly outputs Studio video levels, then there will be no problem with doing this other than not being able to take advantage of the hi-res audio formats.

mrjgkelly

10-30-07, 08:58 PM

For what it's worth, here's a recent update on the 5000 that was posted about a week ago...

http://hdguru.com/samsung-confirms-december-2007-release-of-its-combo-hd-dvdblu-ray-player/198

vinnie97

10-30-07, 10:31 PM

ABT is claiming a late November shipment date.

Newenglander

10-30-07, 10:37 PM

Robert posted a message in another thread that he had heard from a Sammy official that the player would not be available until Q1. From what is on Amazon today, it is more than likely that the earliest the player will be available through any retail outlet is late December, but more than likely sometime in January.

valkyrie

10-31-07, 01:53 AM

I find it very hard to believe stores like BB are making spaces on their shelves for something that isn't coming until January. No way. My money's on this thing coming sooner rather than later.

vinnie97

10-31-07, 02:13 AM

Aye, Amazon's initial shipment is probably all sold out due to pre-orders, hence the January 2008 release date.

BodegaBay

10-31-07, 03:28 AM

...I am waiting to buy it when it comes to Best Buy. I have quite a few gift cards & will use them toward the purchase...

There is also a 10% coupon to use on top of your gift cards. The 10% coupon (exp. 1/31/2008) be readily found at your local US Postal Service station in the change of address package.

vinnie97

10-31-07, 04:24 AM

There is also a 10% coupon to use on top of your gift cards. The 10% coupon (exp. 1/31/2008) be readily found at your local US Postal Service station in the change of address package.
Wow, great suggestion. That actually affords a better deal than buying it online with no tax/free shipping.

jlanzy

10-31-07, 08:17 AM

There is also a 10% coupon to use on top of your gift cards. The 10% coupon (exp. 1/31/2008) be readily found at your local US Postal Service station in the change of address package.

Great, as long as it comes out before 1/31/2008 :)

texrb

10-31-07, 09:59 AM

There is also a 10% coupon to use on top of your gift cards. The 10% coupon (exp. 1/31/2008) be readily found at your local US Postal Service station in the change of address package.\

Bodega Bay - Thank you for that info. I was going to the P. O. this morning anyway! Hopefully it will be available at BB by then!

Evangelo2

10-31-07, 11:04 AM

XA2 has discrete codes (for off at least). PS3 - has neither discretes nor toggle codes.

True, I use the discrete off for my XA2 on my Pronto.
The discrete on is a trick :) Just use the play button. It acts as a "On" as well :)

-Evangelo2

Ken Ross

10-31-07, 11:50 AM

There is also a 10% coupon to use on top of your gift cards. The 10% coupon (exp. 1/31/2008) be readily found at your local US Postal Service station in the change of address package.

Nope. It specifically excludes BR & HD DVD players. It's right there on the back of the card.

rohrbaughra

10-31-07, 12:39 PM

I just spoke to someone at Crutchfield and they said they would not have the 5000 until January.

jeffbenson

10-31-07, 12:51 PM

I just spoke with One Call and they stated it would lucky if it is available by the end of the year.

valkyrie

10-31-07, 12:59 PM

jeffbenson

10-31-07, 01:10 PM

I was responding to an advanced member who referenced One Call. What is with the attitude?

kelpie

10-31-07, 01:56 PM

What is with the attitude?

Hi Jeff. Non-MSRP and "where-to-buy" talk can be very helpful to many people, but it is ostensibly banned on the general forums. The powers-that-be noticed that unscrupulous retailers could (would?) register as regular forum members and post to promote their own "deals" or to run down their competitors, and also forums that were meant to be areas for technical discussion would become, well, cluttered, with shopping talk. Hence the ban. Such talk happens, but it's really not "supposed" to.

Personally, I'm not certain that information about when a new product becomes available falls into the banned category, but then I'm not head board-cop. ;)

HTH

jeffbenson

10-31-07, 02:05 PM

Thanks for the advice. I will keep to the guidelines.

drhankz

10-31-07, 02:17 PM

I just spoke to someone at Crutchfield and they said they would not have the 5000 until January.

SOUNDS CONSISTENT with Amazon which is WHY
I placed my order with Amazon yesterday.

Something tells me their BUYING POWER will get
the units first. http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

BodegaBay

10-31-07, 02:17 PM

Nope. It specifically excludes BR & HD DVD players. It's right there on the back of the card.

Missed that. Phaarty Poopers. Thx for the heads up Ken.

strutter

10-31-07, 02:26 PM

ultimateAV reports: (pertinent info underlined)

October 24, 2007 — Samsung sent over information earlier today confirming its plans for its next-gen disc players throughout this year. The BDP-2400 Blu-ray Disc player has been officially "removed from the 2007 Holiday Line-up," but the BD-UP5000 Duo HD Blu-ray/HD DVD combi player remains on track for a mid to late December debut.

complete article
http://ultimateavmag.com/news/102407duohd/

Samsung's release noted that while the Duo HD will meet the hardware specs for Profile 1.1, a January 2008 firmware update will be required before the player will actually "allow playback of Profile 1.1 discs

there is no mention of whether the player will meet Profile 2 specs.

SpenceJT

10-31-07, 03:33 PM

I see that Target is now listing the BD-UP5000 on their site ($999). No date of availability is listed.

rohrbaughra

10-31-07, 03:53 PM

Why are all the "new members" chiming in with "I spoke to so-and-so, and they say..." posts suddenly? Seems a weird issue to post for the first time. Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to believe Samsung will miss the holiday unless something is truly wrong with the unit (and in which case, it's probably best that they do).

Because this "new member", who is a 51 year old acoustics engineer with a master's degree, tens of thousands of dollars invested in AV gear, and with over 30 years as a dedicated AV hobbyist (current system Sony 70" XBR2, Infinity Kappa 9 speakers, blah, blah, blah), has determined that is usually a good bet that if someone in a business tells you they won't have something until a certain date, they might be right. Now, maybe the Sammy 5000 will be available tomorrow - I am certainly going to buy one; but do want to call the Crutchfield guy and call him a liar?

grubavs

10-31-07, 07:55 PM

I notice here (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=16293) that the 1400 has DTS-MAp and the 5000 has DTS-MAi.
What's that?

jerseydiplomat

10-31-07, 08:13 PM

grubavs

10-31-07, 08:38 PM

I notice here (http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=16293) that the 1400 has DTS-MAp and the 5000 has DTS-MAi.
What's that?

maybe bc the 1400 bitstreams DTS-HD MA and the 5000 is supposed to internally decode it

You're probably right. Maybe the i stands for internal, but that leaves the p with some 'splainin' to do...

valkyrie

10-31-07, 09:44 PM

passthru?

Makaveli Tha Don

11-01-07, 12:52 AM

Ph8te

11-01-07, 12:54 AM

My local best buy has the label on the shelf with the model number and a 799.99 price tag.....obviously there are no units allocated with this price tag, and none of the workers there knew why that would be or what this model was or why they didn't have it....imagine that.

Kind of confused on this post.....was this taking a hit on BB? The place holder has been reported by multiple people in the BB thread.

dude2006

11-01-07, 11:15 AM

javry

11-01-07, 11:26 AM

Because this "new member", who is a 51 year old acoustics engineer with a master's degree, tens of thousands of dollars invested in AV gear, and with over 30 years as a dedicated AV hobbyist (current system Sony 70" XBR2, Infinity Kappa 9 speakers, blah, blah, blah), has determined that is usually a good bet that if someone in a business tells you they won't have something until a certain date, they might be right. Now, maybe the Sammy 5000 will be available tomorrow - I am certainly going to buy one; but do want to call the Crutchfield guy and call him a liar?

gotta do better here guys. We were all new members once.

Raptor007

11-01-07, 05:11 PM

Huh, the direct link still works on Big River, but they've removed the BD-UP5000 from any search results.

Magnus_CA

11-01-07, 05:20 PM

You guys are dreaming!!! This player is a frickin' unicorn!

K_Thompson

11-01-07, 07:43 PM

The BD-UP5000 no longer appears on Amazon's web site.

videonut

11-01-07, 08:34 PM

I was responding to an advanced member who referenced One Call. What is with the attitude?

And I truly appreciate the thought. We should all be looking out for one another when it comes to locating a product for the best price.

I'm also enjoying the suspense as this "Samsung caper" plays out; it reminds me of the quest we had for the XA2. :)

ranette

11-01-07, 08:49 PM

I pre ordered from Amazon earlier today. Initially the ship date was December 1st. Based on everything I had read I was pretty skeptical about that, but since you're not charged until the item ships and I've never had a problem canceling an Amazon order I figured there's no downside to getting in line. A few hours later I received this email from them:

Hello from Amazon.com.

We're writing about the order you placed on November 01 2007 05:48 PDT (Order# xxx-xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx). Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the new release date:

"Samsung BD-UP5000 1080p HD-DVD Blu-Ray Disc Combo Player"[Electronics]
Estimated arrival date: 01/09/2008 - 01/10/2008

If you still want us to ship the items when they do become available (though they may arrive later than expected) please visit this address to approve the delay:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/css/summary/edit.html/?useCase=approve&orderID=xxx-xxxxxxx-xxxxxxx

If we are able to get the items before December 01 2007, we will ship them to you.

By approving the new delivery estimate, you are letting us know that you still want the item(s) though they may arrive later than expected. If there are other items in your order, they will ship according to the delivery estimates listed in the order details in Your Account.

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.

Based solely on what I've read, mostly on this forum, my guess is that a few will appear just before the holiday, quickly sucked up by those who pre ordered earliest. Just afterwards, where Amazon currently has me targeted, you'll see them on retail shelves. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see. Anybody care to start a pool?

grubavs

11-01-07, 09:41 PM

The BD-UP5000 no longer appears on Amazon's web site.

:confused::confused:

Samsung BD-UP5000 1080p HD-DVD Blu-Ray Disc Combo Player
Other products by Samsung
| More about this product
List Price: $999.99
Price: $799.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details
You Save: $200.00 (20%)

Availability: This item will be released on January 1, 2008. Pre-order now! Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.

Special Shipping Information: This item normally requires a shipping charge, but is eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping today. This item can be shipped only within the contiguous United States.

misterjensen

11-01-07, 09:59 PM

:confused::confused:

Samsung BD-UP5000 1080p HD-DVD Blu-Ray Disc Combo Player
Other products by Samsung
| More about this product
List Price: $999.99
Price: $799.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details
You Save: $200.00 (20%)

Availability: This item will be released on January 1, 2008. Pre-order now! Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.

Special Shipping Information: This item normally requires a shipping charge, but is eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping today. This item can be shipped only within the contiguous United States.

I can't find it either... do you have a link?

SpenceJT

11-01-07, 10:16 PM

I can't find it either... do you have a link?

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5.../dp/B000VDG0UK

drhankz

11-01-07, 10:20 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5000-HD-DVD-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000VDG0UK?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

That is a GOOD LINK - but when I click
on it - IT SAYS I ALREADY ORDERED IT.

Which I have http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Ph8te

11-01-07, 11:01 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5000-HD-DVD-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000VDG0UK?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

Might want to take everything off of that link besides

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5000-HD-DVD-Blu-Ray-Player/dp/B000VDG0UK

otherwise people "can" get personal info from the link.

lalittle

11-02-07, 04:52 AM

Unlike the first two replies you got, there is a possible problem with this. The problem is that Samsung could stupidly output PC video instead of Studio video levels when using an HDMI-DVI connection (like Toshiba STUPIDLY does on all of their HD-DVD players).

Hopefully this won't be the case (it hasn't been with any of their BD players). If the Samsung properly outputs Studio video levels, then there will be no problem with doing this other than not being able to take advantage of the hi-res audio formats.

Could you possibly give more details on this? It's always been my understanding that the video signal portion of an HDMI signal is exactly the same as DVI, and that the player has no way of knowing that the signal is being fed to a DVI connection since an HDMI to DVI converter is just a simple adapter plug. In other words, I thought that the video output was identical regardless of the input plug type on the monitor. Are you saying that a player can actually alter the signal based on what it's connected to?

Regarding the "PC vs Studio video levels," are you referring to 0-255 vs 16-235" for the levels?

I just don't understand why a player would ever do this, how it would "know" to do this, or why I've never heard of this before.

Thanks for any further information on this,

Larry

misterjensen

11-02-07, 06:33 AM

Two quick questions (that I'm having a difficult time finding the answers to):

1. When does Amazon charge your card for a pre-order?

2. Based on my reading of the BDUP5000, I'm assuming it does everything that the top standalone HD DVD and Blu-ray players can do. Am I right, or is it missing anything?

THANKS!

fafner

11-02-07, 06:48 AM

rp683

11-02-07, 07:52 AM

Answer to #2:

Samsung's first dual format player was supposed to hit the streets in October, but was delayed. Today, Samsung let us know that it'll be shipping from their factories in October and expects it to hit retailers shelves in December. It's also been confirmed that the BD-UP5000 will be Profile 1.1 "ready", and there are plans to release a firmware update in January of 2008 that will make profile 1.1 a reality. It's not surprising that the BDA has provided this loop-hole when we consider that the first Profile 1.1 title isn't expected till next year.

hconwell

11-02-07, 08:53 AM

If this unit is indeed delayed, I hope it means Samsung will be using the time to fix some of the issues on the P1400. People on that thread are having all sorts of problems, including playback of Spiderman movies. For the first time, I'm beginning to regret my purchase and am wondering if the new Panny would have this many issues.FWIW, my "old" Panasonic BD player (BDP10) is as solid as a rock. Absolute perfect player. Zero problems. So much so that I may get the new one to have a second BD Player in the house.

I'll bet it's going to be a terrific product. I have had bad luck with Samsung products ... and I sure do wish Panasonic would make a dual format player.

sanderdvd

11-02-07, 09:38 AM

what is Samsung going to do with the price of this player as the HD-A2 just dropped to $ 98,-. I mean: you can get a separate BR+HD player now for less than $ 500,-

NismoZ

11-02-07, 09:41 AM

what is Samsung going to do with the price of this player as the HD-A2 just dropped to $ 98,-. I mean: you can get a separate BR+HD player now for less than $ 500,-

It doesn't output Bitstream or have HDMI 1.3 for $100. Thats where they are getting their price mark.

dude2006

11-02-07, 11:29 AM

Good news, Samsung put out a firmware update for the P1400 today that apparently fixed problems with the Spiderman movies, as well as annoying issue of 5.1 LPCM being flagged as 7.1. So chances are these fixes will be implemented in the 5000 before it goes to market

K_Thompson

11-02-07, 11:48 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-UP5.../dp/B000VDG0UK

That's pretty odd. That link works fine, but when I do a search for it the 5000 doesn't appear in the results.

vinnie97

11-02-07, 11:58 AM

That's pretty odd. That link works fine, but when I do a search for it the 5000 doesn't appear in the results.
Same here but this is a recent development (within the last few days). It's almost as if Amazon is discouraging people from purchasing it.:eek: (or they forgot to remove a flag from the item and make it visible in the search results:confused:)

SpenceJT

11-02-07, 12:05 PM

It could be an un-informed CSR, but I called OnSale.com to inquire about an ETA and the guy told me they are expecting a shipment of BD-UP5000's on November 7th.

This prompted me to confirm with him, the model, to which he replied something to the effect of "that is what our system is telling me".

I don't want to give anyone false hope, so take it for what it's worth. I am anxious to get my hands on one of these as the Kenwood DVD changer in my "Man Cave" has an issue wherein the blue channel (my 2nd gen TV only has component) begins to fade in & out, leaving fleshtones looking "cadaverous" and blue skies looking "green".

Cheers,
Spence

Raptor007

11-02-07, 03:42 PM

drhankz

11-02-07, 04:50 PM

Yeah Larry, my opinion on the matter matches yours exactly. To my knowledge, there should be no way for it to identify an adapter being used.

I wonder whether rynberg was referring to players with DVI ports doing some sort of color space conversion? Or perhaps he meant a DVI TV may expect PC levels coming in (0-255) but the player will be outputting studio levels (16-235) and the resulting image will look duller.

I appreciate the option the Xbox 360 gives me for adjusting the reference levels, since my Samsung 4671 seems to expect 0-255 (at least, with the way I have it set up).

I COULD BE WRONG - But I believe there
are specific PINS in the cable that IDENTIFY
the TYPE of Connector and Interface it is.

JustinHEMI05

11-02-07, 06:10 PM

what is Samsung going to do with the price of this player as the HD-A2 just dropped to $ 98,-. I mean: you can get a separate BR+HD player now for less than $ 500,-

Apples and oranges. I am still on board for the 5000. Besides, that price is limited time only and the machine is practically outdated.

Justin

Raptor007

11-02-07, 06:29 PM

I COULD BE WRONG - But I believe there
are specific PINS in the cable that IDENTIFY
the TYPE of Connector and Interface it is.

There are identification pins, but they're used for the source to identify the monitor being sent to (and possibly vice versa). Shouldn't be able to tell if the connection changes from HDMI to DVI though.

Skid71

11-02-07, 06:30 PM

It doesn't output Bitstream or have HDMI 1.3 for $100. Thats where they are getting their price mark.

Has outputting bitstream been confirmed? 2.0 5.1 7.1?

Links welcomed. I've got time to read (and save) now.

Skid

Raptor007

11-02-07, 06:35 PM

Apples and oranges. I am still on board for the 5000. Besides, that price is limited time only and the machine is practically outdated.

Justin

Agreed about the apples and oranges bit. The BD-UP5000 has the Reon, DTS-MA, and HDMI 1.3 which makes it more feature-packed than the expensive HD-XA2 and any BD player currently out there. That extra $300 is money well spent over the low-end HD-A2/PS3 combo.

HD Theater is it

11-02-07, 10:06 PM

Ph8te

11-02-07, 10:22 PM

The funny thing to me is that why either camp won't make a dual format player and sell it for 399. You would clean up and your format (blu or HD) would live together, but buy trying to crush the other guy is only making consumers wait to adopt either. I mean come on already, blu has more titiles because it has more studios (which sony owns) but they both can co-inside together. The first one to do so (Sony/Toshiba) would basicly win by ensuring ther survival.... Just something to pnder.

While this would be nice in a perfect world its just not going to happen. Before either format was going to be released there was a small chance that they would merge, but neither side could agree. So, as it is now you will never see Sony or Toshiba make a dual format player. The only companies that will do that are the "minors".

kelpie

11-02-07, 10:47 PM

Has outputting bitstream been confirmed? 2.0 5.1 7.1?

Links welcomed. I've got time to read (and save) now.

Skid

IMHO, the only real "confirmation" will come when the player is actually tried out by users. ;)

But in the meantime, you might want to look at this Crave article (link) (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9778543-1.html) that says that Samsung claims that the BD-UP5000 will internally decode and output both Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio through its 7.1 analog outputs and/or as PCM over HDMI. The article goes on to say that it will also be able to send both Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio in bitstream output to a receiver capable of decoding these formats. Samsung has suggested that the DTS-HD Master Audio can/will be enabled by a firmware upgrade at some point. Who knows if that upgrade will occur before release of the player, or ever?

We'll see.

Skid71

11-03-07, 09:14 AM

IMHO, the only real "confirmation" will come when the player is actually tried out by users.

+1 on that kelpie

Thanks for the link, off to read.

dude2006

11-03-07, 10:53 AM

The article goes on to say that it will also be able to send both Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio in bitstream output to a receiver capable of decoding these formats. Samsung has suggested that the DTS-HD Master Audio can/will be enabled by a firmware upgrade at some point. Who knows if that upgrade will occur before release of the player, or ever?

We'll see.
Samsung enabled the P1400 to bitstream DTS MA via a firmware upgrade shortly after it was made available for sale. So the BD-UP5000 surely would be able to do this also. As far as it being able to internally decode it, as far as I know the P1400 cannot do this, but who knows if the 5000 will.

kelpie

11-03-07, 12:12 PM

Samsung enabled the P1400 to bitstream DTS MA via a firmware upgrade shortly after it was made available for sale. So the BD-UP5000 surely would be able to do this also. As far as it being able to internally decode it, as far as I know the P1400 cannot do this, but who knows if the 5000 will.

Thanks for the info on the BD-P1400's update, dude2006. Samsung's ability to provide an update for the BD-P1400 can sure give folks reassurance about Samsung's good intentions, but since the "heart" of the BD-P1400 is Sigma Design's SMP8634 system-on-chip (SoC) (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/Company/press_releases/071018.pdf), and the BD-UP5000 uses Broadcom's 7440 SoC (http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=1047516) Samsung might run into different issues with updating the dual format player. Let's hope not.

arbitrage000

11-03-07, 01:00 PM

Agreed about the apples and oranges bit. The BD-UP5000 has the Reon, DTS-MA, and HDMI 1.3 which makes it more feature-packed than the expensive HD-XA2 and any BD player currently out there. That extra $300 is money well spent over the low-end HD-A2/PS3 combo.

Nah, its identical to owning an XA2 and a 1400. The XA2 has confirmed an update to give it bitstreaming like the A35, and the XA2 has the REON to use with SDDVDs. Then the 1400 can bitstream all your bluray. So this combo (xa2/1400) is identical to the 5000 as soon as the xa2 updates in a week or two (still long before the 5000 will be available).

dildatonr

11-03-07, 03:38 PM

Nah, its identical to owning an XA2 and a 1400. The XA2 has confirmed an update to give it bitstreaming like the A35, and the XA2 has the REON to use with SDDVDs. Then the 1400 can bitstream all your bluray. So this combo (xa2/1400) is identical to the 5000 as soon as the xa2 updates in a week or two (still long before the 5000 will be available).

I think I'm one of several people waiting to sell their 1400 and XA2 and replace them with this puppy. I can't friggin wait.

joerod

11-04-07, 11:28 AM

I remember ONSALE told me they would be in stock at the end of september. Because their "system" said so. Then they kept trying to get a CC number from me... Yikes!

Raptor007

11-05-07, 01:21 PM

Nah, its identical to owning an XA2 and a 1400. The XA2 has confirmed an update to give it bitstreaming like the A35, and the XA2 has the REON to use with SDDVDs. Then the 1400 can bitstream all your bluray. So this combo (xa2/1400) is identical to the 5000 as soon as the xa2 updates in a week or two (still long before the 5000 will be available).

Fair enough, but the XA2/1400 combo is significantly more expensive than the BD-UP5000. For the all the features I want, the 5000 is the best deal out there. And as a bonus, it's a single player for all movie formats. (Although I'm not sure if it'll play downloaded videos like DivX, so I may need to keep using XBMC for that.)

Driving_Hamster

11-05-07, 03:56 PM

FenderGallagher

11-05-07, 06:03 PM

artyusmce

11-05-07, 06:25 PM

best buy in Bakersfield listed the samsung for 799. However none were in stock claiming item was to ship on Oct 21 yet still no player. ;(

valkyrie

11-05-07, 06:56 PM

FenderGallagher

11-05-07, 07:07 PM

Hum, the Toshiba HD-XE1 can actually be set to Region-Free :o

rynberg

11-05-07, 08:03 PM

Could you possibly give more details on this? It's always been my understanding that the video signal portion of an HDMI signal is exactly the same as DVI, and that the player has no way of knowing that the signal is being fed to a DVI connection since an HDMI to DVI converter is just a simple adapter plug. In other words, I thought that the video output was identical regardless of the input plug type on the monitor. Are you saying that a player can actually alter the signal based on what it's connected to?

Regarding the "PC vs Studio video levels," are you referring to 0-255 vs 16-235" for the levels?

I just don't understand why a player would ever do this, how it would "know" to do this, or why I've never heard of this before.

Thanks for any further information on this,

Larry

Yeah Larry, my opinion on the matter matches yours exactly. To my knowledge, there should be no way for it to identify an adapter being used.

I wonder whether rynberg was referring to players with DVI ports doing some sort of color space conversion? Or perhaps he meant a DVI TV may expect PC levels coming in (0-255) but the player will be outputting studio levels (16-235) and the resulting image will look duller.

I appreciate the option the Xbox 360 gives me for adjusting the reference levels, since my Samsung 4671 seems to expect 0-255 (at least, with the way I have it set up).

The video transmitted is NOT the same. DVI standard uses digital RGB. HDMI can use digital RGB or digital component (defaults to component). They are not the same thing. The source most definitely gets signal back from the display monitor, otherwise HDCP would not work.

Toshiba and a few others (some Sonys for example) have released many upconverting DVD players or HD-DVD players that STUPIDLY switch to PC RGB levels when a DVI monitor is used (0-255). Most consumer displays use proper studio RGB levels (16-235). You cannot get a 100% accurate picture because of this. It is inexcusable at this point for the manufacturers to still do this but it appears that Toshiba has their heads up their collective #$@. This is one of the things that has prevented me from purchasing an HD-DVD player.

BodegaBay

11-05-07, 10:38 PM

Nope. It specifically excludes BR & HD DVD players. It's right there on the back of the card.

Ken and others who intend on pre-ordering it through Best Buy/Magnolia: there's another 10% coupon that does not limit HD or Blu-Ray players. I can be downloaded here (http://pulverizer72.com/scans/bbcoupon.pdf). Reprinting is allowable but this one expires end of December. I'm sure it can be pre-ordered if not available by then.

drhankz

11-06-07, 08:31 AM

Placed my pre-order today from Amazon. Ordering info as listed below from Amazon.com:

Shipping estimate for these items: January 7, 2008
Delivery estimate: January 14, 2008 - January 18, 2008

1 "Samsung BD-UP5000 1080p HD-DVD Blu-Ray Disc Combo Player"Electronics; $799.99

Looking forward to getting ahold of this puppy :)

AMAZON must be having a BIG wave of orders. I placed
mine the day ordering opened. My Delivery date shows
Shipping Jan 2 and Arrival Jan 3 - HERE.

Your order must be the second ship load arriving at Amazon.

ls1115

11-06-07, 10:47 AM

Based on previous Samsung products, do you think there's any chance it could be set Region-Free ?
(I live in France and with delays and pricing here, I'm pretty sure we'll wait for it for long with higher price, but if an american unit will never allow me to play zone 2 dvds, it will be no use to me)

I suppose the HDdvd side will be region free (all of them are). BluRay and SD are region coded. I plan to keep my Oppo, which is easily set to region 0 for SD in any case. As for region free Blu Ray, someone at VideoHelp may eventually come up with the "magic" remote code. But if this happens it will be sometime after the player is released.

BTW, I'm slowly building up a BluRay / HDDVD collection while my player arrives. I got Les Choristes from Amazon France and Das Parfum from Amazon Deutschland, both region 0, both on HDDVD.

FenderGallagher

11-06-07, 11:59 AM

I suppose the HDdvd side will be region free (all of them are). BluRay and SD are region coded. I plan to keep my Oppo, which is easily set to region 0 for SD in any case. As for region free Blu Ray, someone at VideoHelp may eventually come up with the "magic" remote code. But if this happens it will be sometime after the player is released.

BTW, I'm slowly building up a BluRay / HDDVD collection while my player arrives. I got Les Choristes from Amazon France and Das Parfum from Amazon Deutschland, both region 0, both on HDDVD.

The goal is to be able to play my zone2 DVDs with the sammy to benefit from the upscale by the Reon Chip. About the BD region, It would not be a problem if it were stuck at Zone A, I'd just build my BD collection by buying in the US.
I hope we get updates on this matter some time before release...

swarm87

11-06-07, 12:08 PM

AMAZON must be having a BIG wave of orders. I placed
mine the day ordering opened. My Delivery date shows
Shipping Jan 2 and Arrival Jan 3 - HERE.

Your order must be the second ship load arriving at Amazon.

he probally selected the super saver shipping, i placed my preorder this morning and selected 1 day shipping and it said i'd get it january 3. they say the free shipping takes almost a week to ship and another week to get it so with free shipping you have to wait almost 14 days (based on maximum estamate) to get the player. IMHO its woth $43 to get it the next day

drhankz

11-06-07, 12:22 PM

he probally selected the super saver shipping, i placed my preorder this morning and selected 1 day shipping and it said i'd get it january 3. they say the free shipping takes almost a week to ship and another week to get it so with free shipping you have to wait almost 14 days (based on maximum estamate) to get the player. IMHO its woth $43 to get it the next day

You really need to become a Amazon PRIME
Customer.

2-day shipping is always free.

1-day shipping is $3.

ObscurityKnocks

11-06-07, 12:28 PM

he probally selected the super saver shipping, i placed my preorder this morning and selected 1 day shipping and it said i'd get it january 3. they say the free shipping takes almost a week to ship and another week to get it so with free shipping you have to wait almost 14 days (based on maximum estamate) to get the player. IMHO its woth $43 to get it the next day

This is correct. I used super saver shipping and had a ship date of the 7th. I just changed it to 1 day shipping and the estimate changed to the 2nd.

K_Thompson

11-06-07, 12:40 PM

best buy in Bakersfield listed the samsung for 799. However none were in stock claiming item was to ship on Oct 21 yet still no player. ;(

Greetings from Bakersfield, neighbor! :D

artyusmce

11-06-07, 06:06 PM

hello from Te ha ch a pi

i need this player like a hole in the head. Just more high tech over price junk to watch a movies with little difference then a DVD up convert player. 1080I rules i'll wait for after xmas sale I bet it will be 499 by easter

dude2006

11-06-07, 06:11 PM

Jeff Regan

11-06-07, 06:35 PM

hello from Te ha ch a pi

i need this player like a hole in the head. Just more high tech over price junk to watch a movies with little difference then a DVD up convert player.

Recommend a better display device or Lens Crafters.

artyusmce

11-06-07, 06:39 PM

What are you smoking? Must be good stuff...

sense ability try you might like it.
They overpriced a player that won't proably be out till after xmas. I say again as i just posted else where, alot of buyers will choose a format based on price alone this xmas season. This could have been a big seller for alot a people who don't want to be limited by the content of the formats, they want to watch movies and would have paid alittle extra for that option. Now those buyers like me maybe lost forever.

At this point the war rages on for me, why take aside when little difference is gained from DVD to HDVD/Blury, compared to VHS to DVD. the smoke lingers in the air try a contact high.

artyusmce

11-06-07, 06:45 PM

Recommend a better display device or Lens Crafters.

hey brother can you spare a dime (or 799)?

I'm just saying wait the companies out. They take our hard earned money on every little upgrade or advance. By the way display device is a AE900

dude2006

11-06-07, 07:04 PM

sense ability try you might like it.
They overpriced a player that won't proably be out till after xmas. I say again as i just posted else where, alot of buyers will choose a format based on price alone this xmas season. This could have been a big seller for alot a people who don't want to be limited by the content of the formats, they want to watch movies and would have paid alittle extra for that option. Now those buyers like me maybe lost forever.

At this point the war rages on for me, why take aside when little difference is gained from DVD to HDVD/Blury, compared to VHS to DVD. the smoke lingers in the air try a contact high.
Your posts don't make a whole lot of sense, but it seems that what happened here is you are pissed that the player might not sell before Christmas and now you bash it as a way to make you feel better about your impatience and frustration at not getting it when you wanted it. Sounds an awful lot like the fable The Fox and the Grapes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes . Oh, and I think you meant sensibility. One of the wonderful features of AVS is spell checking, might want to try it some time.

TommyV

11-06-07, 07:10 PM

vinnie97

11-06-07, 07:27 PM

lol.

Raptor007

11-09-07, 03:10 PM

So... any early preorderers get unit this yet? Or was everyone shoved back to the January range?

Ph8te

11-09-07, 06:44 PM

So... any early preorderers get unit this yet? Or was everyone shoved back to the January range?

I dont think anyone got it....Everyone so far has got the same notice, that the unit isnt coming until late Dec early Jan.

Kevin C Brown

11-09-07, 08:47 PM

BB told me last week that they would have a batch in at the end of Nov.

narkspud

11-09-07, 09:35 PM

>>I can only imagine what will happen once I connect the sammy to my $600 HDMI Audioquest HDMI-3 cable.<<

The identical same thing that will happen when I connect it to my $13 Monoprice cable, I'd wager.

vinnie97

11-09-07, 11:06 PM

I dont think anyone got it....Everyone so far has got the same notice, that the unit isnt coming until late Dec early Jan.
ABT's got a different supplier then. They're still clinging onto the last week of Nov/first week of December claim.:eek:

B&W700guy

11-09-07, 11:13 PM

Your posts don't make a whole lot of sense, but it seems that what happened here is you are pissed that the player might not sell before Christmas and now you bash it as a way to make you feel better about your impatience and frustration at not getting it when you wanted it. Sounds an awful lot like the fable The Fox and the Grapes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes . Oh, and I think you meant sensibility. One of the wonderful features of AVS is spell checking, might want to try it some time.

I guess we had a bad day...

circumstances

11-09-07, 11:22 PM

If you don't have an HDMI receiver, in what ways will you be able to get the lossless formats from the UP5000 to it?

I have an anthem avm20 and I was wondering how many different ways I'll be able to get dts hd ma and truehd, and what the highest quality method would be.

RavenX

11-09-07, 11:32 PM

Ph8te

11-10-07, 02:36 AM

Ph8te

11-10-07, 02:37 AM

ABT's got a different supplier then. They're still clinging onto the last week of Nov/first week of December claim.:eek:

Yeah I think they are still late in the "delay" mode. It took Amazon a bit after it was announced to actually post the delay of the player.

circumstances

11-10-07, 12:40 PM

Youll have to use the 5.1 or 7.1 analog outputs which will bitstream (I believe) those formats.

thanks so much. i was wondering if i could use any of the digital audio inputs on my processor.

as far as analog audio inputs, my unit has the regular ones for each type of component, a 2-channel in (balanced) which has 3 prongs, and a 6-channel in (single end) port labeled with each speaker in my 5.1 setup.

i'm guessing the 5.1 analog output on the back of the sammy would go to the 6-channel analog in on the back of my processor? if that is the case, what kind of cable would i need for that connection?

videonut

11-10-07, 03:28 PM

Just to inform you that Crutchfield announced sale of this player for holidays. I just received their catalogue with Samsung universal player listed at $799. Price for this player obeys rule: lowest Blu-ray player price + lowest HD-DVD player + $100. If prices of Blu-ray and HD-DVD players drop as they are right now so will the price for this Samsung player. I'm looking for $499 in near future.

Keep dreaming; I've received that same catalog last month, but so far you can't place an order for the UP 5000 with Crutchfield. I'd be more than happy to take delivery of a Samsung in the "Near Future" for $799.00.

drhankz

11-10-07, 04:23 PM

Keep dreaming; I've received that same catalog last month, but so far you can't place an order for the UP 5000 with Crutchfield. I'd be more than happy to take delivery of a Samsung in the "Near Future" for $799.00.

Amazon is taking orders and I'll bet they get
them BEFORE Crutchfield.

That is where MINE is on ORDER.

vinnie97

11-10-07, 04:37 PM

Amazon is taking orders...
They were. They haven't been for the last several days at least.

drhankz

11-10-07, 04:39 PM

They were. They haven't been for the last several days at least.

My GUESS is that means they SOLD a BOAT LOAD :D

dougmcbride

11-10-07, 04:55 PM

Anybody been reading the owner's thread on the Samsung BDP1400? Looks like a bit of a mess at the moment. Any speculation as to how much the BD-UP5000 uses the 1400's implementation for BluRay?

Doug

drhankz

11-10-07, 04:58 PM

Anybody been reading the owner's thread on the Samsung BDP1400? Looks like a bit of a mess at the moment. Any speculation as to how much the BD-UP5000 uses the 1400's implementation for BluRay?

Doug

NO - Can you summarize the issues for us :)

kelpie

11-10-07, 06:23 PM

Any speculation as to how much the BD-UP5000 uses the 1400's implementation for BluRay?

The "heart" of the BD-P1400 is Sigma Design's SMP8634 system-on-chip (SoC) (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/Company/press_releases/071018.pdf), but the BD-UP5000 uses Broadcom's 7440 SoC (http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=1047516) (for both Blu-ray and HD DVD) so I would speculate that Samsung might run into different issues with the dual format player. Let's hope that any issues are few and correctible.

artyusmce

11-10-07, 06:56 PM

Prime example why not to drink (or smoke?) and post on AVS.

Know I now why they shut these threads down. If you don't convert to someone's thinking they hammer and hammer at you. Yes, I wanted the player and would have bought it for 799 and yes a'm little angry at BB listing something they dont stock.

On spell checking maybe i should but I proably won't. :D

arbitrage000

11-11-07, 01:29 PM

I'm really interested in trying this player and will demo it for its return period no matter what....I think the biggest misunderstanding is comparing this player to the prices of an A2 combined with a 40gb PS3....you can't because this player has the feature set of high end players not value players....we can only compare this to buying a 1400 and an XA2 or Onkyo 805.....only by buying those too standalones will you get bitstreaming of all highdef audio, a Reon processor for upconversion, 7.1 analogue outs etc....And actually the 5000 is rumoured to include internal dtshd-ma decoding as well which you wouldn't get from the aforementioned combination, so really the 5000 could sell for up to 999 and still be a good value for its features.

Hopefully, samsung will have success with the 5000 and bring out a future lower end combo that would compare to an A2 and PS3 combo and then sell it for 499 or 599 instead.