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The other night I recorded eight movies in a row as a single manual timer recording. At midnight in the middle of one of the movies the recorder started a new title. I have 6 1/2 movies on title one and 1 1/2 on title two.
Is there a way to combine titles like there is for chapters? Or how can I dub both parts of the movie without a break?
Thank You
California Mike 04-03-07, 11:12 AM Use the Playlist function for dubbing to a DVD. Check your manual for details.
In the first title, create a chapter at the end that contains the first part of the "split" movie. In the second title, create a chapter at the beginning that contains the second part of the "split" movie. Then create a playlist that contains those two chapters. When you copy the playlist to a DVD, it will become a single title on the DVD, with two chapters.
The recorder probably missed a small amount of the movie while it was finishing the first title and starting the second one, so there will probably be a noticeable "jump" in the action at that point, along with a brief pause.
Church AV Guy 04-03-07, 05:42 PM From the EH75 manual page 29:
When continuously recording for long durations, titles are automatically divided every 8 hours.
So what you saw was expected, and conforms to what you should expect from the recorder. You should do what was suggested and make a playlist out of the two pieces of the movie, and if you don't want a chapter break where the pieces are, you can combine the chapters in the playlist.
I would expect that using playlists you would want each movie to be its own title on the finalized disks anyway.
I really do think I am getting to old for this. I felt a lot more at home traveling part of Route 66 last week.
For some reason I am having trouble learning from the manual. So far it has been Trial and error or what I have learned here. I do appreciate the help.
Let me ask about the FR recording mode one more time.
I have the timer set to record a movie off of satellite tonite. It is only a 60 minute movie and I want the introduction and ending complete so I set the time to start 2 minutes early and finish 5 minutes late. I want it in XP but because it is over an hour I set it for FR mode. I see there is a time setting for recording in FR from HDD to DVD but it doesn't ask for time available when recording off air to HDD.
With all the room on the HDD how does it know what rate to record at to later dub to DVD, or does it? Does it read the time I enter to record and adjust automatically to fit a DVD even though you are recording onto the HDD?
Should I just record in XP and then FR to a DVD? This is one movie I don't want to screw up.
I have the timer set to record a movie off of satellite tonite. It is only a 60 minute movie and I want the introduction and ending complete so I set the time to start 2 minutes early and finish 5 minutes late.
Therefore the recorder knows that you want to record 1:07 worth of material.
With all the room on the HDD how does it know what rate to record at to later dub to DVD, or does it? Does it read the time I enter to record and adjust automatically to fit a DVD even though you are recording onto the HDD?
You got it! :D When you record in FR mode to HDD, the recorder assumes that whatever you're recording, you want the specified amount of time to fill a DVD, and adjusts the encoding parameters accordingly. This is so you can do a high-speed copy to DVD later, which simply copies the file without re-encoding it.
Church AV Guy 04-03-07, 07:45 PM If you enter a time using FR mode, the DVD recorder assumes that you want to completely fill a blank DVD, so it chooses a rate which will fill a disk using the time you have entered. It won't be able to go less than 1 hour per disk, or greater than eight hours per disk because those are had limits, but any time in between, it will select the correct rate.
It almost always results in a better quality recording if you FR record the title to the hard drive first and then HS dub it to a DVD later. If you record it to the hard drive, and then later use FR mode to put it on a disk, you are encoding it for the first recording, then decoding it, then reencoding it for the second recording, which will have to be in real time.
These things really aren't that complicated, so don't get overwhelmed. There are a lot of little things about them that are foreign at first, but you will soon be comfortable with the machine. Someone here said that Best Buy saw a lot or returns with these because they were so complicated. People have too little patience. You will get he hang of it quickly enough.
You set the timer for 1:07 FR mode for your recording of the movie. That should be the correct thing to do. you then edit out the extraneous parts at the beginning and end, and any commercials or whatever. Put in the chapters you want and then HS dub it to a disk. You have the process correct, at least as *I* would do it.
Thanks for the help on this. I edited out the crap, added a title and chapters and Hi Speed dubbed to a DVD like I new what I was doing.
The only problem I have left now is trying to guess how much time to add before and after. You sure can't rely on the start and running times listed.
On the first movie I added 10 minutes on the end and lost the last couple of minutes because it still wasn't enough.
So to be safe on the movie I really wanted I added a few more minutes to the record time.
The only problem with that was I had an 80 minute recording that edited down to 62 minutes. From the way I understand it that means the quality is not quite as good as it could be. Is that correct? Quality is good, I just mean that as in general just to see if I understand.
And I guess the way around that is to record in XP mode and then you know what the actual recorded time is and then FR in real time to a disk. Is that correct?
Church AV Guy 04-04-07, 07:07 PM You probably are getting better quality doing the initial recording for 80 minutes, editing it down to a 62 minute movie, and HS dubbing that to the disk, than by recording the movie in XP mode and re-encoding the edited content by using FR to dub it to a DVD. Re-encoding is very rarely a winning scheme.
What you describe as the process you used was correct. Even if you didn't know what you were doing, you did it right! Guessing on the start and stop times is always the big gamble. It's like The Price is Right, you want to get as close as possible without going UNDER the necessary time. Stations are becoming less and less interested in following the published times for their programs. American Idol ran several minutes over last evening. I don't watch it, but I DO watch House, which comes on after, and which was late by over two minutes. You're not at all alone with this complaint.
Actually, in this example, 62 minute will fit onto a single disc in XP mode. The "official" maximum recording times per disc in the various recording modes allow for a bit of padding. In SP mode on my E85 I could get up to about 2:07 instead of the "official" 2:00. I think the actual limit in XP mode is about 63 or 64 minutes, but I don't use XP much so I don't know for sure. I'm sure I've done 62 at least once, though.
The problem is that if you're recording live off the air or cable, you can't usually predict in advance exactly how much time will be left after editing out commercials. An exception would be if you're recording a series, which usually has the same running time per episode, give or take a few seconds for editing variations. After you've done a few episodes, you can tailor the FR-mode recording time so that the size comes out just right after editing out the commercials.
If you dub from a separate DVR like I do, you can play through the whole thing with a stopwatch in hand and find out exactly how much time you'll need (or time it while you're watching it live), and then dub it to the DVD recorder in FR mode with the appropriate time setting.
Church AV Guy 04-05-07, 01:22 PM Yes, I am aware that 62 minutes will fit on a disk in XP mode, but FLSTFI was asking a general question using an example, not a specific to that incident question, so I didn't want to add the extra complication. I actually thought about telling him to just record the whole thing at XP because 62 minutes would fit, but I decided that for a generalized case It wasn't really necessary, or even useful.
I too use my DVR (TIVO!) to time the recordings so I know very accurately how long they are. In my case, I usually have less than two minutes of extraneous material to cut at the beginning and and of a program. That really doesn't help the OP with his issues though.
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