At first, I was excited to hear that The Matrix Trilogy was coming to HD-DVD. Now though, after WB announced the movies will be on double sided discs, and my lost faith in HD-DVD, I've decided to hold off until it hits BR. Did they ever give a time frame of when it will come out?

The Complete edition will still be on single sided HD30 discs, right?

Hope its a nice long year for you.

I'll wait too if it is coming out by the weekend after the HDDVD. ;) :D

Art

At first, I was excited to hear that The Matrix Trilogy was coming to HD-DVD. Now though, after WB announced the movies will be on double sided discs, and my lost faith in HD-DVD, I've decided to hold off until it hits BR. Did they ever give a time frame of when it will come out?

I have been told to look for The Matrix movies to be on Blu-ray around Thanksgiving of this year.

~Josh

I bought back into HD DVD (HD-XA2)so as to get the Matrix..... Too good of a trilogy to wait on and the HD DVD prices are falling.... I hope HD DVD delivers on PQ and audio...

My BD player is the only one hooked up to a good sound system

My HD DVD player is in my basement on my huge tv, but the downside is that my basement is not very fitting for a good sound system without dishing out huge bucks to get it set up and go through the walls.

So as much as i dont want to, its only reasonable to wait for it on BD for me.

I will wait for the BD version as well.

I have been told to look for The Matrix movies to be on Blu-ray around Thanksgiving of this year.

~Josh


Any "sorry you had to wait longer than HD DVD" bonus features like with your ridiculous LOTR rumor?Maybe a free Turkey with purchase?

:D

I bought back into HD DVD (HD-XA2)so as to get the Matrix..... Too good of a trilogy to wait on and the HD DVD prices are falling.... I hope HD DVD delivers on PQ and audio...
yah im not buying till i see some reviews of the hd-dvd version if good and lossless sound then im all over it! if not then i might just wait till the blu ray gets released if ever :( still waiting on batman begins and v for vendetta...

I'll be waiting for the BR release also.

Any "sorry you had to wait longer than HD DVD" bonus features like with your ridiculous LOTR rumor?Maybe a free Turkey with purchase?

:D

The BD release will be the same as HD-DVD.

~Josh

The BD release will be the same as HD-DVD.

~Josh
If BD Java is working by then.

The BD release will be the same as HD-DVD.

~Josh
Out of curiosity, does this info come from the same source that told you (on the day the announcement came out) that there were no plans to release the Matrix on HD DVD in May?

Any "sorry you had to wait longer than HD DVD" bonus features like with your ridiculous LOTR rumor?Maybe a free Turkey with purchase?

:D
no him and bill just pirate them instead... whats weird ive seen some for sale online :0 :confused: thinking someone stole beatboys idea or something else....

I wont. Ill take both the red disc and the red pill. And to all of the Blu rays out ther err.. I mean agent Smiths, Neo (HD-DVD) will come through. HD-DVD will show you a world without borders (region coding) and faster bettter quality releases.

Smart choice, no need invest any more money in a dying format like HDDVD.

Dying format? That's amazing, can I borrow you crystal ball for the weekend?

I'm going to buy it on HD DVD. If the BR version ever comes out and it's better, I will buy it too! This hobby isn't for the faint of heart.

I wont. Ill take both the red disc and the red pill. And to all of the Blu rays out ther err.. I mean agent Smiths, Neo (HD-DVD) will come through. HD-DVD will show you a world without borders (region coding) and faster bettter quality releases.

With recent releases of COM and Good Shepard quality is far from being delivered for the red team. I won't chearlead the blu team either they have there own quality issues. Knowing that the Matrix has been ready to go for sometime it would not surprise me if they have similar problems as some of the newest hd-dvd releases. Knowing that the Matrix BR Ver. may be coming out not to long after bd-j's debut in October does not inspire 0 glitch confidence either. Both of these formats are from being able to deliver the constant quality that we are paying for as early adopters.

Personally I don't see any extras anymore. That shark got jumped back with the extended versions of LOTR for me personally. Seeing the blatant discussions of the extras being filmed for the upcoming release was enough for me. Wasn't a big fan before then except for classic cinema...

I plan to wait for the Blu-ray release as well. Hopefully we'll get it some time this year.

Dying format? That's amazing, can I borrow you crystal ball for the weekend?

I'm going to buy it on HD DVD. If the BR version ever comes out and it's better, I will buy it too! This hobby isn't for the faint of heart.

HDDVD is losing market share every week. It's dying a slow and painful death.

HDDVD is losing market share every week. It's dying a slow and painful death.

LOL this dude is on a roll.

How many different ways can you cut and paste the same thing over and over? Look at his post history :D

ATTENTION ATTENTION
Twin TurboZX has declared HDDVD dead.

BLU-RAY gives you more content, capacity, bandwidth, studio support, industry support, and better reliability making HDDVD obsolete all at a double the price and half the execution.

I have little interest in owning Reloaded & Revolutions on any format, so there's no way i'm coughing up £50/$90 for this set. I'm going to wait until 'The Matrix' is available on it's own and on Blu-Ray. If that's a year or two away, so be it!

I have little interest in owning Reloaded & Revolutions on any format, so there's no way i'm coughing up £50/$90 for this set. I'm going to wait until 'The Matrix' is available on it's own and on Blu-Ray. If that's a year or two away, so be it!

Roger that. Zero interest in the latter two movies and there's plenty of content to keep me occupied until a BR version.

Say, isn't Nosgoth just south of Cthulhu and right near Ostrogoth?

With both players, no reason to wait.
The format war can become kind of silly. Just relax & enjoy them. If HD-DVD gets 'em first, what's the difference. WB is getting my money in May :)

ss9001

BLU-RAY gives you more content, capacity, bandwidth, studio support, industry support, and better reliability making HDDVD obsolete all at a double the price and half the execution.

The only thing HDDVD has is a slight price advantage. That's good for the cheap people who buy only based on price. At least you won't feel that bad when the format bites the dust.

"Hey I can't watch Fox, Sony, MGM, Disney, or Lionsgate discs but my player was cheaper... Hooray!!!" -Typical HDDVD supporter

The only thing HDDVD has is a slight price advantage. That's good for the cheap people who buy only based on price. At least you won't feel that bad when the format bites the dust.

"Hey I can't watch Fox, Sony, MGM, Disney, or Lionsgate discs but my player was cheaper... Hooray!!!" -Typical HDDVD supporter


Dear God!!!! I'm pretty much agnostic and don't give a flying f@ck about who wins anymore (especially now with AACS going down so quickly) but you and about 5 other Blu Ray fanatics are really showing your lack of maturity and making anyone else who supports Blu Ray really look bad. How about actually taking the high road for once and not making a snide comment back when someone "slights" blu ray???

The only thing HDDVD has is a slight price advantage. That's good for the cheap people who buy only based on price. At least you won't feel that bad when the format bites the dust.

"Hey I can't watch Fox, Sony, MGM, Disney, or Lionsgate discs but my player was cheaper... Hooray!!!" -Typical HDDVD supporter

I'm a collector of dead formats anyway, so it doesn't matter to me ;)
Quadraphonic LP's, beta tapes, laserdiscs. I have them all and I still have ALL the equipment needed to play & enjoy them, including the quad. :D

Maybe in a few yrs I can add my Blu ray discs & player to the list ;)

You're argument doesn't hold up, unless you are a J6P sitting the format war out. A true videophile just jumps in!

ss9001

Be a man, not a fanboy

The only thing HDDVD has is a slight price advantage. That's good for the cheap people who buy only based on price. At least you won't feel that bad when the format bites the dust.

"Hey I can't watch Fox, Sony, MGM, Disney, or Lionsgate discs but my player was cheaper... Hooray!!!" -Typical HDDVD supporter

I have a PS3 which I choose not use. Your assuming everyone buys the HD-DVD on based solely on price. I bought the HD-DVD player on day 2 because it was the only HD player at the time. Been happy with it ever since. When the PS3 came out, got that too. Talledega and Crouching Tiger looked liked crap compared to HD-DVD. Now, I only rent blu-rays. Why, besides Casino Royale and Xmen 3, most of the BR movies are crap for me. I buy HD-DVD's. I fortunatly have very good disposable income. I buy what I want and don't care for buying BR disc until more quality movies come out.

Typical HD-DVD supporter- "Hey I can watch the Matrix HD-DVD next month and Harry Potter now, when can you watch it?"

I'm a collector of dead formats anyway, so it doesn't matter to me
Quadraphonic LP's, beta tapes, laserdiscs. I have them all and I still have ALL the equipment needed to play & enjoy them, including the quad.

Maybe in a few yrs I can add my Blu ray discs & player to the list

You're argument doesn't hold up, unless you are a J6P sitting the format war out. A true videophile just jumps in!

ss9001

Be a man, not a fanboy
I agree. I still invest heavily in HD DVD knowing very well that the format can easily flop rather soon. This is something I accepted ever since I purchased my first HD DVD player. The same applies to my Blu-Ray spending habits. I live for the moment knowing very well that I could die tomorrow. If you are an audio/videophile and have enough superfluous income to allocate towards both formats, then there is no real reason not to enjoy HD DVD right now.

Any "sorry you had to wait longer than HD DVD" bonus features like with your ridiculous LOTR rumor?Maybe a free Turkey with purchase?

Too funny.

Dear God!!!! I'm pretty much agnostic and don't give a flying f@ck about who wins anymore (especially now with AACS going down so quickly) but you and about 5 other Blu Ray fanatics are really showing your lack of maturity and making anyone else who supports Blu Ray really look bad. How about actually taking the high road for once and not making a snide comment back when someone "slights" blu ray???

I'm just trying to bring the HDDVD zealots back down to reality. There is too much misinformation spread on these forum about Blu-ray by these desperate fanatics. I don't blame them though, after last month's sales numbers they are trying their best to keep their sinking format from drowning.

I'm just trying to bring the HDDVD zealots back down to reality. There is too much misinformation spread on these forum about Blu-ray by these desperate fanatics. I don't blame them though, after last month's sales numbers they are trying their best to keep their sinking format from drowning.

Could there be any BD zeolots in this forum? :eek:
Say it isn't so. Please. I couldn't stand it if there were.

ss9001

Gotta admit before Matrix was announced I was severely leaning towards BD, but now with Matrix, Bourne, Happy Feet lossless tracks, Im mass buying HD-DVDs and BDs again. 8)

I'm just trying to bring the HDDVD zealots back down to reality. There is too much misinformation spread on these forum about Blu-ray by these desperate fanatics. I don't blame them though, after last month's sales numbers they are trying their best to keep their sinking format from drowning.

This statement here pretty much proves my point.

I'm just trying to bring the HDDVD zealots back down to reality. There is too much misinformation spread on these forum about Blu-ray by these desperate fanatics. I don't blame them though, after last month's sales numbers they are trying their best to keep their sinking format from drowning.

A zealot calling other zealots a Zealot? :D

Priceless!

I will be waiting for a 50gb EE version thats not a lowered bit rate HD DVD port on BD.
Excellent full bit rate PQ..along with either PCM or DD THD ...all on one disc is only possible on BD-50.

Now though, after WB announced the movies will be on double sided discs, and my lost faith in HD-DVD, I've decided to hold off until it hits BR.

Where did you hear that?

AFAIK, in THE MATRIX TRILOGY, the films are on single-sided HD-30 discs. That's what the Warner Home Video dealer announcement says. And they all have IME.

If you get the Ulitimate Matrix Collection edition, the extra discs are just the previously released DVD edition, some discs will have SD content on the flip side, other discs will just be the exact same SD DVD discs. I assume BD's ULTIMATE COLLECTION will just have the SD DVD discs thrown in the box with the BD.

Eric

I bought back into HD DVD (HD-XA2)so as to get the Matrix..... Too good of a trilogy to wait on and the HD DVD prices are falling.... I hope HD DVD delivers on PQ and audio...


correction: let's hope wb delivers a good transfer of the audio and video. since they will probably use the same transfer (as they have thus far with every release i know of) for both hd dvd and br, the issue will not be the platform per se, but the quality of the work they do.

I'm just trying to bring the HDDVD zealots back down to reality. There is too much misinformation spread on these forum about Blu-ray by these desperate fanatics. I don't blame them though, after last month's sales numbers they are trying their best to keep their sinking format from drowning.
Speaking of reality, how about you take a big old dose of it yourself. HD DVD is here to stay, and if you think you can hold off on all those Universal, Weinstein, and (depending on who you are) Warner releases then you got a loooong wait ahead of you. And all for double the price! Way to go.

twin turbo im gonna be like beatboy but this is what i know. not heard.... why do you think fox pulled all the catalog titles with no new release dates? remember sony's last format umd hmmm same thing happened.their jumping ship cough to hd-dvd cough. and no bill is not my source but he knows what im talking about it goes deeper then what i just said but fox may no longer be an exclusive within the next 6 months....

I've decided that I can't wait. After the Matrix announcement, and since CoM won't be on BR any time soon (if ever) along with other Warner movies I want, the recent A2 offer is just too good to pass up. I consider it highly unlikely that Warner will reencode the movies for BR - there's no incentive for them to spend the extra $$.

Format neutral will be a beautiful thing...

twin turbo im gonna be like beatboy but this is what i know. not heard.... why do you think fox pulled all the catalog titles with no new release dates? remember sony's last format umd hmmm same thing happened.their jumping ship cough to hd-dvd cough. and no bill is not my source but he knows what im talking about it goes deeper then what i just said but fox may no longer be an exclusive within the next 6 months....

Doubt this very much (they'd look like fools after their CES Blu-ray bragging).

twin turbo im gonna be like beatboy but this is what i know. not heard.... why do you think fox pulled all the catalog titles with no new release dates? remember sony's last format umd hmmm same thing happened.their jumping ship cough to hd-dvd cough. and no bill is not my source but he knows what im talking about it goes deeper then what i just said but fox may no longer be an exclusive within the next 6 months....

I support HD DVD and can’t buy into this my friend :) . I would love for all studios to go neutral and let the best group win. Why decide for us? If Blu is superior, let’s put both formats on even ground (with content) and let them battle for the next Gen to replace DVD.

I'm going to wait too

Honestly, given Warner's half-assed support of Blu-ray and the fact they are still missing 20-some titles (not all BD-J related), I would be surprised to see Matrix on Blu-ray this year at all.

Yet another thread turned into mindless format-bashing.... :(

As for me, I'm going to wait...I don't have an HD DVD player anyway. :p Besides, I'm renting and watching BD's as fast as I can, and honestly I can't even keep up with what's coming out now...I'm in high-def heaven already. :)

now can we all get along
Gandalf :o

Doubt this very much (they'd look like fools after their CES Blu-ray bragging).
And they don't look like fools now?

I will be waiting for a 50gb EE version thats not a lowered bit rate HD DVD port on BD.
Excellent full bit rate PQ..along with either PCM or DD THD ...all on one disc is only possible on BD-50.
I'm think I'm gonna just watch The Matrix Trilogy in high-definition in May.

Of course I am going to wait.

HD-DVD is dead. Some see it now, some need more time. I hope the Blu-ray is individual movies so I only have to buy the first, but I would buy the boxed set if it is all that is available in Blu.

Matrix is a great set, but not enough to have this Blu-ray supporter buy into a dying format and prolong the format war.

I could give two sh-ts about the other two Matrix films-- talk about filmmakers with a one hit wonder! I just want the first one. I can wait.

Dan

I just want the first Matrix as well.I already own The Ultimate Matrix Collection on DVD,and the first one is the only one I'd double-dip for.

At first, I was excited to hear that The Matrix Trilogy was coming to HD-DVD. Now though, after WB announced the movies will be on double sided discs, and my lost faith in HD-DVD, I've decided to hold off until it hits BR. Did they ever give a time frame of when it will come out?

What's wrong with double sided disks?

LOL this dude is on a roll.

How many different ways can you cut and paste the same thing over and over? Look at his post history :D

ATTENTION ATTENTION
Twin TurboZX has declared HDDVD dead.
The kid does have stamina, you have to give him that. Even the dullest of individuals eventually tires of saying the same thing over and over again. But not this one. He's really got eye of the tiger. lol

To OP, I bought a HD disc player to watch movies. Why did you buy one?

Sony format = dead format. Why would history all of a sudden lie to us?

Jesus Christ people. Can we not have a discussion without bringing insults into it? Im so sick of this format war ******** being brought onto every god damn topic. Just shut the heck up! JEEZE! Shape up and act your damn age. If your so confident in your format choice then why in the flying hell are you spouting off at the mouth on every post you make!!

This place has become a cesspool of idiots. Some admins and mods seriously need to do something about this. It has become intolerable.

GROW UP!

I don't understand some people's logic here (if you can call it that). Let's just say that HD-DVD is doomed. Some here are saying, "why invest in a dead format?" If you already have the player, who CARES????

Some friends asked me once, if HD-DVD dies, will you sell your players and disks and buy them on Blu-Ray? (I have both). Why the hell would I do that? I have over 40 HD-DVD's that are high definition movies that I will NEVER have to buy on Blu-Ray because I already have them.

So to those out there that have both but are waiting to buy them on Blu-Ray, where is your logic? What difference does it really make???? Personally, I'd rather watch them in May. Let the smart ones here wait..

Okay, I'll bite. If we want to play semantics, Favelle, buying into HD-DVD is buying into Microsoft, the king of shady business practices. I'd almost say MS is so fervantly behind HD-DVD, even with such shakey manufacturing support and few faithful studios, because they want to see both formats fail... and the longer there's a format war the better chance it will happen. They probably want HD pay-per-view download services (probably at much lower quality than current discs because of bandwidth and speed limitations) as they've been harping on this for years as the fabled untapped revenue source of the internet, hence the creation of VC-1 (or WMHD-9) in the first place. Come to think of it, so does WB and Toshiba. One reason they were hitting the DVD Forum hard for a red laser high definition disc based on DVD before Blu-ray supporters of the DVD Forum splintered off, which made Toshiba/NEC/WB/MS jump completely to AOD (now called HD-DVD). Kind of makes you say "hmmm..."

Oh, and by the way, Blu-ray is not just Sony or Sony/Philips this time around. Your argument holds no water.

Dan

I've decided that I can't wait. After the Matrix announcement, and since CoM won't be on BR any time soon (if ever) along with other Warner movies I want, the recent A2 offer is just too good to pass up. I consider it highly unlikely that Warner will reencode the movies for BR - there's no incentive for them to spend the extra $$.

Format neutral will be a beautiful thing...

Go ahead and buy the HDDVD player, but just remember that you are playing into Microsoft's plan and helping kill of high def discs by prolonging the format war. You thought the low bitrate VC-1 transfers on Warner discs are bad, wait until you see the ultra low bitrate VC-1 downloads. :eek:

Go ahead and buy the HDDVD player, but just remember that you are playing into Microsoft's plan and helping kill of high def discs by prolonging the format war. You thought the low bitrate VC-1 transfers on Warner discs are bad, wait until you see the ultra low bitrate VC-1 downloads. :eek:
we already get low bitrate mpeg 2 movies. their called blu ray

Go ahead and buy the HDDVD player, but just remember that you are playing into Microsoft's plan and helping kill of high def discs by prolonging the format war. You thought the low bitrate VC-1 transfers on Warner discs are bad, wait until you see the ultra low bitrate VC-1 downloads. :eek:

we already get low bitrate mpeg 2 movies. their called blu ray

I dont know what to be more ashamed of. The first post or the fact you took his bait and replied with an equally stupid response. Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Go ahead and buy the HDDVD player, but just remember that you are playing into Microsoft's plan and helping kill of high def discs by prolonging the format war. You thought the low bitrate VC-1 transfers on Warner discs are bad, wait until you see the ultra low bitrate VC-1 downloads. :eek:
Ooh, a conspiracy theory. Juicy. :)

This is ridiculous. Why does every thread with even slight favoritism towards Blu-Ray in the "Blu-Ray Software" forum bring out a barrage of posts that are either "HDDVD rules too" or "peace man, support both formats" posts?

TwinTurbo's posts do get annoying because its the same thing always. But then we get some morons who'll start bashing BD and praising HD DVD in a BD forum. Are these people serious? I mean I had to laugh at the people calling TwinTurbo a zealot and fanboy and other stuff, yet then they follow it up by saying Blu-Ray is twice the price. I guess I missed the memo when HD DVD players started going for $250 at BestBuy.

This whining gets so damn old. If you want to bitch, why not do it in the HDTV Software Media forum. Why do people come into specific format forums are try to flame that format itself is beyond me.

I only care about the first movie, and Animatrix. Since Animatrix is apparently going to be SD, I will just wait for the BD version to arrive.

I guess I missed the memo when HD DVD players started going for $250 at BestBuy.


399 plus 9 [4 from CC +5 from tosh] free movies at cc ad bb has something similar....
25x9=225 of movies so subtract 225 from 399 ad you get....$174 at circuit city....

This whole thread seems rediculous. Someone writes "I will wait for Matrix on Blu-ray" when you know the response is "I'll get the HD DVD." Then the whole thread becomes a rehash of one format versus the other.

Dear LORD! I am fed up to the back teeth with visiting a BR/HD DVD thread to participate in a meaningful discussion, only to find it has disintegrated into a flaming fiesta for the trolls.

Look, If you have a BR player and you DON'T WANT an HD-DVD player, great! Be happy. Conversely, If you've got HD-DVD and you like it, good for you - it's fantastic. Can we move on?

There has got to be some way that we can air our views/grievances/concerns about our present or potential purchases in either camp without the discussion degenerating into a shouting match and viral marketing fodder. It is absolutely normal for people to pit one format against another when they are competing for the same consumers, but we should do that to our collective benefit, such as in any Plasma Vs. LCD or a brand X Vs. brand Y thread, but not so we can go round and round in circles trying to win some ludicrous argument that should only truly matter to those whose R&D and production budgets are on the line, i.e the CE manufacturers/Studios. Last time I looked, this was a forum for consumers - let Sony & Toshiba battle it out in the media and in the Tokyo Engineer hangout joints - let us discuss the players and the discs, not the so-called 'war' and who's winning it. I mean, seriosuly, if Blu Ray were to disappear tomorrow - the discs/player(s) you bought aren't going to evaporate as well are they?

PLEASE!

I could give two sh-ts about the other two Matrix films-- talk about filmmakers with a one hit wonder! I just want the first one. I can wait.

Dan

Same here.

Same here.
+1
They were plain horrible!

+1
They were plain horrible!

The second one was so horrible that I never bothered to watch the third one.

I haven't owned the SD collection! :eek: I don't know if I can hold out any longer... But if these newer HD DVDs keep not working I guess I will!

The second one was so horrible that I never bothered to watch the third one.

Same here :(

I have a large number of mpeg2 demo materials taking up BD-REs that I have to get legitimate disks for. The red complete matrix is a must buy. Whether I keep HD-A1 spinning longer just for matrix, or I do the same thing with the main feature on my legal red matrix as I did with KK on BD depends on how compelling the extras are.

I'm buying the complete red and I'll buy the ultimate pack later on BD when it's released.

I know several people who have plunged into hd-dvd because of price including myself. Getting a player for around $200 plus movies for around $15 can't be beat. Anybody mention Indian Jones is coming to hd-dvd, and I heard the lord of the rings trilogy? I'm not going to bash b.ray, but there are a lot of good things about hd-dvd.

I don't like the Matrix enough to buy all 3 films together on either format. I'll wait till I can buy the first film only. Shoot, I'm not even that hot on the first one.....sign me, not on the edge of my seat over The Matrix.

I don't like the Matrix enough to buy all 3 films together on either format. I'll wait till I can buy the first film only. Shoot, I'm not even that hot on the first one.....sign me, not on the edge of my seat over The Matrix.
Sacrilege. :D

Doubt this very much (they'd look like fools after their CES Blu-ray bragging).

I think they already accomplished that at the event (with their ridiculous charts and statements) and continued the pattern after the fact by pretty much cancelling everything they said they were going to do in Q1. In hindsight, the entire Fox CES showing was a fiasco.

The BD release will be the same as HD-DVD.

~Josh
So the Ultimate Edition will be the first dual-sided release? They're going to manufacture those discs just for The Matrix? I highly doubt that.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Ultimate Edition is an HD DVD exclusive and the BD version will be the trilogy only.

So the Ultimate Edition will be the first dual-sided release? They're going to manufacture those discs just for The Matrix? I highly doubt that.
Nice catch and a good point. It's highly unlikely that they'll be on BD/DVD combos, so something will have to change.


Josh - in case you missed my question from page one, I'll repost it here:
Out of curiosity, does this info come from the same source that told you (on the day the announcement came out) that there were no plans to release the Matrix on HD DVD in May?

I bought back into HD DVD (HD-XA2)so as to get the Matrix..... Too good of a trilogy to wait on and the HD DVD prices are falling.... I hope HD DVD delivers on PQ and audio...Congratulations Jeff on your new XA2 purchase...Owning both formats is the only way to go for HD fans...Especially now that you can pick up a entry level Toshiba A2 for $299 and receive 5 free movies. Also neither format is going anywhere…There will be 2 formats whether we like it or not…I also bought The Matrix on HD DVD...Anyways enjoy all the HD material available. For me being format neutral is the only way to go! :D

So the Ultimate Edition will be the first dual-sided release? They're going to manufacture those discs just for The Matrix? I highly doubt that.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Ultimate Edition is an HD DVD exclusive and the BD version will be the trilogy only.


Good point Fett! I think this is a good guess as to what will happen with the Blu-ray release.

I only care about the first movie, and Animatrix. Since Animatrix is apparently going to be SD, I will just wait for the BD version to arrive.

Exactly. I'll need to see if I can get the occasional showings on TNTHD--as I've got most of The Matrix, and all of Reloaded, back when QAM wasn't locked down (though it would be nice to have OAR--damn HBO). So, at least I have my favorite one, for those who have a more open mind check this (http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/movies/feature/2003/05/15/matrix_reloaded/index.html) review (warning you'll need to watch an ad to get in, but, certainly worth it just for the references: "la petite morte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_petit_mort)" and all).

I wish I didn't have to choose between the standards and wonder if I did go HD-DVD that I would exclaim: "Why, oh why didn't I take the blue pill!" And at this rate you might be able to get them in HD on iTunes before blu???

Given Warner's BD record for verisimilitude, I have a strong feeling the BD discs will be dual-sided discs rather than dual layer 50GB ones. It's funny how people gamble over such silly things as dual sided discs. I mean seriously, 'losing faith' in HD DVD because of flippers?

Exactly. I'll need to see if I can get the occasional showings on TNTHD--as I've got most of The Matrix, and all of Reloaded, back when QAM wasn't locked down (though it would be nice to have OAR--damn HBO).
Aren't the movies on TNTHD edited for content?

Given Warner's BD record for verisimilitude, I have a strong feeling the BD discs will be dual-sided discs rather than dual layer 50GB ones. It's funny how people gamble over such silly things as dual sided discs. I mean seriously, 'losing faith' in HD DVD because of flippers?
They haven't released any dual-sided BD discs yet, regardless of whether the HD DVD equivalent was a combo or not. Why would you "have a strong feeling the BD discs will be dual-sided discs rather than dual layer 50GB ones?" You cited Warner's history of BD releases, but history has shown that they do not release the BD version on dual-sided discs.

They haven't released any dual-sided BD discs yet, regardless of whether the HD DVD equivalent was a combo or not. Why would you "have a strong feeling the BD discs will be dual-sided discs rather than dual layer 50GB ones?" You cited Warner's history of BD releases, but history has shown that they do not release the BD version on dual-sided discs.
BD can't release on dual-sided discs. They said at CES that it isn't possible for some manufacturing reason.

Of course, they COULD put it all on BD-50's, but that seems unlikely given WBs track record.

I'm sure it's possible. If TotalHD is possible then flipper BDs or BD/DVD combos should be possible too. They just haven't bothered trying to make them.

It isn't clear whether all sides of the Matrix are HD DVDs or if their HD DVD/DVD combos. Considering the extras are all in SD it makes sense that some sides will be DVD.

My guess is a BD release would be BD-50s.

I'll buy the 2nd movie from anyone that buys the set and doesn't want it. I liked that movie. The freeway chase and semi-blow-up was cool. Tres cool.

Was there any technical reason for Matrix not to come to BR?

Out of curiosity, does this info come from the same source that told you (on the day the announcement came out) that there were no plans to release the Matrix on HD DVD in May?

:D BeatBoy = Rumour monger.

Smart choice, no need invest any more money in a dying format like HDDVD.

Neither format is going anywhere anytime soon. You can't be that stupid, can you???

Was there any technical reason for Matrix not to come to BR?
They can't get IME to work reliably yet.

Was there any technical reason for Matrix not to come to BR?

BD-J is not ready so Warners IME (In Movie Experience PIP commentary) won't work on BR.

Sacrilege. :D

I've been excommnicted before. It's no big deal. I always like havin' a poke at the pope..... ;)

Neither format is going anywhere anytime soon. You can't be that stupid, can you???


Come now, my, my....being information starved is not the same as stupido maximoso! ;)

I don't like the Matrix enough to buy all 3 films together on either format. I'll wait till I can buy the first film only. Shoot, I'm not even that hot on the first one.....sign me, not on the edge of my seat over The Matrix.

Agree. Are we apostates?

I too will wait. I don't feel like spending even $200 for an HDDVD player plus $70 for a set of The Matrix. Now if it was something like Lord of the Rings EE, i would give in :)
Could they even fit a 4 hour+ movie along with lossless audio and other audio options on a 30GB HDDVD ? It would probably be 2 discs right ?

Agree. Are we apostates?

I quess so. I had to look apostate up, so you taught me a new word. I'm not disapointed we're not gonna get to be apostles in the new order. I'd rather just nap forever. :)

I too will wait. I don't feel like spending even $200 for an HDDVD player plus $70 for a set of The Matrix. Now if it was something like Lord of the Rings EE, i would give in :)
Could they even fit a 4 hour+ movie along with lossless audio and other audio options on a 30GB HDDVD ? It would probably be 2 discs right ?

it would either be highly compressed with artifacts, and missing any HD sound and extras, or it would have to be two discs. hd-dvd's specs were outdated from the get go.

warner is just giving hd-dvd some last second life support by handing them a couple month exclusive on the matrix 1 (2 and 3 are crap, nobody liked them and nobody cares). warner wants to keep hd-dvd alive so they can sell their stupid double format disc.

i'll wait till they release matrix 1, alone, with hd sound, on blu-ray. anything less and i'll just keep waiting. honestly im sick of warner's bs with their crappy sound and soft images from hd-dvd vc-1.

TriptonUpman= fanboy

gees some of the stuff you spew in your post is sad.

Being format neutral means you don't have to wait or make up excuses for your only format.

i'll wait till they release matrix 1, alone, with hd sound, on blu-ray. anything less and i'll just keep waiting.

Yeah, me too.

honestly im sick of warner's bs with their crappy sound and soft images from hd-dvd vc-1.

Me too.

Me too.
yeah, like the unbearably soft Scanner darkly and Happy Feet...oops, they both got 5 out of 5 stars for PQ at High def Digest :rolleyes:

yeah, like the unbearably soft Scanner darkly and Happy Feet...oops, they both got 5 out of 5 stars for PQ at High def Digest :rolleyes:

I think most people here know that HDD's reviews, at least those written by Bracke, are often unbelievably generous with the PQ stars. However, if Scanner turns out better than the usual Warner mush, I will be delighted to see a change in their policies.

I think most people here know that HDD's reviews, at least those written by Bracke, are often unbelievably generous with the PQ stars. However, if Scanner turns out better than the usual Warner mush, I will be delighted to see a change in their policies.
Just to be clear, do you have a hatred of Warner releases or VC-1 releases (regardless of studio?)

Just to be clear, do you have a hatred of Warner releases or VC-1 releases (regardless of studio?)

Warner. I think Universal has gotten great results with VC-1.

I have happy feet on HD-DVD and it is crystal clear, it is on par with The Wild and Open season on BLU-RAY which I also own. Being format neutral is a nice thing as you can actually compare the actual discs and dispel the fanboys claims.

I have happy feet on HD-DVD and it is crystal clear, it is on par with The Wild and Open season on BLU-RAY which I also own. Being format neutral is a nice thing as you can actually compare the actual discs and dispel the fanboys claims.I have to agree here...Happy feet on HD DVD is excellent even though I didn't like the movie itself...but totally on par with The Wild and Open Season. I too am format neutral and will never understand what makes fanboys tick either way. If you love HD...botton line is you will need both formats. Neither is going away. ;)

it would either be highly compressed with artifacts, and missing any HD sound and extras, or it would have to be two discs. hd-dvd's specs were outdated from the get go.

warner is just giving hd-dvd some last second life support by handing them a couple month exclusive on the matrix 1 (2 and 3 are crap, nobody liked them and nobody cares). warner wants to keep hd-dvd alive so they can sell their stupid double format disc.

i'll wait till they release matrix 1, alone, with hd sound, on blu-ray. anything less and i'll just keep waiting. honestly im sick of warner's bs with their crappy sound and soft images from hd-dvd vc-1.If you really want to bitch...think Fox :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TriptonUpman
i'll wait till they release matrix 1, alone, with hd sound, on blu-ray. anything less and i'll just keep waiting.

same here.

I'll wait for the Blu-ray version, thanks.

P.S. What's with all this bellyaching about which format is winning? Does every single thread about high definition have to devolve into this?

Well you guys will be waiting a long time. I find it funny how people say they don't mind waiting for something like The Matrix while at the same time they're buying crap like RE:A and Eragon as soon as they are released. I will never understand the mind of a fanboy. :confused:

Well you guys will be waiting a long time. I find it funny how people say they don't mind waiting for something like The Matrix while at the same time they're buying crap like RE:A and Eragon as soon as they are released. I will never understand the mind of a fanboy. :confused:

If that was directed at me I didn't buy RE:A or Eragon and I'd rather have the title now, but obviously I don't have any control over that as it isn't available now. Hell I'm sure people can name tons of titles they wish they had right now on both formats but the consumers don't decided when they come out.

Also I don't care to own the entire trilogy especially at the ridiculous price listed (I don't care about extras). Maybe I'll buy the others if the prices drop well below $15 (don't see that happening any time soon).

Well you guys will be waiting a long time. I find it funny how people say they don't mind waiting for something like The Matrix while at the same time they're buying crap like RE:A and Eragon as soon as they are released. I will never understand the mind of a fanboy. :confused:
What's not to understand? Most of us already own the Matrix on DVD, myself included.

Why is a decision to not be format neutral any better or worse than a decision to buy both formats? We all have our reasons for doing so, and we vote with our dollars.

If you want The Matrix now and can't wait, buy the HD DVD. If you want to wait, then wait. It really is just that simple.

I guess I should have been clearer. My comment was directed towards dual-format (but format-biased) owners who are actually going to wait until The Matrix hits Blu-ray before picking it up. That's ridiculous. I don't recall seeing this much trepidation when the M:I trilogy was released and I don't remember hearing a single person say "oh I only liked the first (second, or third) movie so I think I'll wait." Face it, if the Matrix box set was hitting BD at the same time more than half of the people claiming they don't want it would be picking it up. Deny it all you want but that's the reality and that's what I don't understand. Fanboys have an innate ability to rationalize all of their actions no matter how irrational they may be. There are always a million reasons to do, or not do something.

it would either be highly compressed with artifacts, and missing any HD sound and extras, or it would have to be two discs. hd-dvd's specs were outdated from the get go.




this not true. The question about wether LOTR can be put on HD DVD has already been comfirm by the experts.

I think most people here know that HDD's reviews, at least those written by Bracke, are often unbelievably generous with the PQ stars. However, if Scanner turns out better than the usual Warner mush, I will be delighted to see a change in their policies.
Cjplay (and the team of course) knocked A Scanner Darkly out of the f*cking park. And by the way, he did it back in December! So saying a "change of policy" is what would be required for Warner to put out a good looking HD disk is absurd. I think Warner can put out as good looking a title as anyone, given a film that lends itself well to the HD home experience.

Deny it all you want but that's the reality

That's your reality. Not most peoples. I wouldn't touch a Matrix boxed set with a ten foot cattle prod, whether it's DVD, HD DVD or BR.

tu quoque on the fanboy thing, bud.

I guess I should have been clearer. My comment was directed towards dual-format (but format-biased) owners who are actually going to wait until The Matrix hits Blu-ray before picking it up. That's ridiculous. I don't recall seeing this much trepidation when the M:I trilogy was released and I don't remember hearing a single person say "oh I only liked the first (second, or third) movie so I think I'll wait." Face it, if the Matrix box set was hitting BD at the same time more than half of the people claiming they don't want it would be picking it up. Deny it all you want but that's the reality and that's what I don't understand. Fanboys have an innate ability to rationalize all of their actions no matter how irrational they may be. There are always a million reasons to do, or not do something.

Possibly they have reasons for wanting the blu-ray version over HD-DVD that fall outside of your fanboy comments. Clearly that would fit in one of your million reasons. I can think of a few non fan boy reasons to want blu-ray over HD-DVD if I had both.

1. being durability
2. if lucky a encode to take advantage of the higher bandwidth (it has been done before for blu-ray versus HD-DVD, eve if rare).
3. Perhaps their blu-ray player is better for PQ and/or SQ than their HD-DVD player. (I have friends that own the PS3 and xbox360 +add-on that would take this route every time).

I guess I should have been clearer. My comment was directed towards dual-format (but format-biased) owners who are actually going to wait until The Matrix hits Blu-ray before picking it up. That's ridiculous. I don't recall seeing this much trepidation when the M:I trilogy was released and I don't remember hearing a single person say "oh I only liked the first (second, or third) movie so I think I'll wait." Face it, if the Matrix box set was hitting BD at the same time more than half of the people claiming they don't want it would be picking it up. Deny it all you want but that's the reality and that's what I don't understand. Fanboys have an innate ability to rationalize all of their actions no matter how irrational they may be. There are always a million reasons to do, or not do something.
Because some are not really format neutral. It is just a means to an end to profess themselves so. It's just something they say in order to have the privilege to bash the format.
Stop wasting your breath and come back home to the HD DVD forum where you belong. :)

That's your reality. Not most peoples. I wouldn't touch a Matrix boxed set with a ten foot cattle prod, whether it's DVD, HD DVD or BR.

Uhh... no, that is the reality. Just because it's not your reality (or mine) doesn't mean it's not the reality in general. You not liking the Matrix doesn't change the fact that there are many many people anxiously counting down the days until they can get it in hi-def.

Possibly they have reasons for wanting the blu-ray version over HD-DVD that fall outside of your fanboy comments.
Oh snap! I'm a fanboy now? I own almost the same exact number of HD DVDs as I do BDs but yeah, I totally choose to limit myself to one format.

I can think of a few non fan boy reasons to want blu-ray over HD-DVD if I had both.
And I can think of a few non-fanboy reasons to get it on HD DVD.
1) It's only going to be available on HD DVD!
2) Warners will almost certainly include the exact same transfers and audio tracks if they were to by chance release a Blu-ray version sometime within the year.
3) Perhaps one might like the movies and actually want to buy them (rather than feigning indifference because he or she is otherwise unable to purchase said movies due to budgetary constraints).

Uhh... no, that is the reality. Just because it's not your reality (or mine) doesn't mean it's not the reality in general. You not liking the Matrix doesn't change the fact that there are many many people anxiously counting down the days until they can get it in hi-def.


Oh snap! I'm a fanboy now? I own almost the same exact number of HD DVDs as I do BDs but yeah, I totally choose to limit myself to one format.

And I can think of a few non-fanboy reasons to get it on HD DVD.
1) It's only going to be available on HD DVD!
2) Warners will almost certainly include the exact same transfers and audio tracks if they were to by chance release a Blu-ray version sometime within the year.
3) Perhaps one might like the movies and actually want to buy them (rather than feigning indifference because he or she is otherwise unable to purchase said movies due to budgetary constraints).


tlreddragon I wasn't calling you a fanboy, sorry if my sentence structure came off that way. What I meant was your use of fanboy. I was merely pointing out a few reasons as to why some logical reasons why would wait for the blu-ray version. Those reasons have nothing to do with brand loyalty.


1) It's only going to be available on HD DVD!

In the case of the Matrix it is coming to blu-ray according to Warner. Hence why the reasons are valid. If you are a dual format owner and want a movie and it is only on HD-DVD then I wouldn't see any reason to not to get it unless you truly believe a superior version will come down the line blu-ray and don't want to double dip. People have double dipped before so it wouldn't be shocking.

2) Warners will almost certainly include the exact same transfers and audio tracks

Yes, but like I said earlier if you don't have the player to take advantage on one side then it would make sense to go the other route. PS3 (lossless) versus HD-DVD add-on (downgraded audio) is a no brainer for audio fans like myself.

I wouldn't touch a Matrix boxed set with a ten foot cattle prod, whether it's DVD, HD DVD or BR.

I'm also curious about why people that hate a certain movie click into a thread that is clearly marked just to say that they dislike the movie. Can you imagine how worthless each and every HD-DVD announcement thread would be if everyone that didn't like the movie had to post the fact that they were not going to purchase it?

I'm also curious about why people that hate a certain movie click into a thread that is clearly marked just to say that they dislike the movie. Can you imagine how worthless each and every HD-DVD announcement thread would be if everyone that didn't like the movie had to post the fact that they were not going to purchase it?

Because I do like the Matrix. What I don't care for are the latter two movies (Revolutions and whatever). That's why I said I wouldn't touch a boxed set. Same principle with the sort of recently released and remastered Mel Brooks movies. First released only in boxed set, I waited a few months until they were released as single movies so that I could purchase only those I enjoy. Patience can be a virtue.

I'll be waiting for the BR release also.
I will probably wait as well, although it won't be hard. I never bought any of these movies on DVD, since I was never a fan of them. Cool concept for a movie, but crummy implementation.

Uhh... no, that is the reality. Just because it's not your reality (or mine) doesn't mean it's not the reality in general. You not liking the Matrix doesn't change the fact that there are many many people anxiously counting down the days until they can get it in hi-def.

I've no doubt that there are many who are quite anxious to watch all three Matrix movies in Hi Def - probably end to end. I also believe that there are folks who may not like all three of the movies and who may therefore wish to wait for singles (that would be me and preferably in Blu-ray). What I object to is the fairly shrill manner in which you characterized all those who choose to wait as rationalizing fanboys.

finis

I'm also curious about why people that hate a certain movie click into a thread that is clearly marked just to say that they dislike the movie. Can you imagine how worthless each and every HD-DVD announcement thread would be if everyone that didn't like the movie had to post the fact that they were not going to purchase it?

Yep, used to be called "thread-crapping" and many forums like DVDtalk prohibit it.
AVS is filled with it nowadays and in BOTH forums.

What I object to is the fairly shrill manner in which you characterized all those who choose to wait as rationalizing fanboys.

finis
Which is why I corrected myself by saying I was only referring to dual-format owners who have decided to wait for a BD release. Even if Warners were to release a Blu-ray version, it would most certainly come in a boxed set first, just like the HD DVD, so there's really no reason to wait.

Because some are not really format neutral. It is just a means to an end to profess themselves so. It's just something they say in order to have the privilege to bash the format.
Stop wasting your breath and come back home to the HD DVD forum where you belong. :)

Yes, they need more people to comfort each other huddled around HDDVD's death bed. I don't think HDDVD is going to make it doctor!! :eek: ;)

Yes, they need more people to comfort each other huddled around HDDVD's death bed. I don't think HDDVD is going to make it doctor!! :eek: ;)Dream on Turbo. Thanks for the :D

Most certainly have noticed a lot of "neutral" supporters lately in the BD forums claiming "neutrality is where it's at" and "HD DVD is here to stay"...as if they are convincing themselves...

To each his own. Universal will make us all "neutral" eventually. :)

I agree. I still invest heavily in HD DVD knowing very well that the format can easily flop rather soon. This is something I accepted ever since I purchased my first HD DVD player. The same applies to my Blu-Ray spending habits. I live for the moment knowing very well that I could die tomorrow. If you are an audio/videophile and have enough superfluous income to allocate towards both formats, then there is no real reason not to enjoy HD DVD right now.
i cant belive how many posts i see on this and other forums,that somewhere in the post i see the words [i support hd dvd ,knowing this format,could flop at any time ] or something like that! why do people think hd dvd is gonna lose,wheres your proof,how do you know blu-ray is gonna lose.im sure the bd camp is worried about the same but i dont see posts saying i support bd knowing it may flop at any moment.now bd may have more studios,but look at the crap movies out on bd! hd has univeral,wb,paramount,weinsten!just univeral and wb makes up alot of movies,in there catalog,univeral alone is bigger then any studio.and if they decided to start empting the vaults bd would be a dead horse. you hd dvd supporters need to step up and stop crying,and get a little cocky like the bd boys so shut-up,didnt you here theres no crying in a format war!!!!

Most certainly have noticed a lot of "neutral" supporters lately in the BD forums claiming "neutrality is where it's at" and "HD DVD is here to stay"...as if they are convincing themselves...

To each his own. Universal will make us all "neutral" eventually. :)
So then who exactly are you trying to convince with that last statement?

Yes, they need more people to comfort each other huddled around HDDVD's death bed. I don't think HDDVD is going to make it doctor!! :eek: ;)

Twin is just like a little kid. Stomps his feet, screams random stuff, just to get attention.

Thanks for the laugh, your wit and superb arguements just destroy anything we can all say. :rolleyes:

Just once I want to see Twin debate in a serious and mature manner without name calling. Then again, I might have a better chance finding a Baskin Robbins in Hell.

Twin appears to be under the assumption that just saying something on the internet makes it true.

It's sort of fun to watch.

Yes, they need more people to comfort each other huddled around HDDVD's death bed. I don't think HDDVD is going to make it doctor!! :eek: ;)

This is almost sig worthy. I lol'ed in real life.

The only thing keeping HD-DVD from obsolesence is the exclusive support of Universal studios.

The day Universal announces its first Blu-ray title is the day the death toll rings for HD-DVD.

And for the obligatory fanboy that will chime in: Universal is not going neutral, keep wishing, blah, blah, blah, wah, wahhh...

Many insiders are on the record now saying that Universal is aggressively meeting with BDA people and exploring BD authoring.

I would be willing to bet anyone on this forum $$$ that we see Universal movies in a blue case for sale in the United States in the next two years.

I was right in the beginning of November 2006 about the coming Blu-ray surge in sales. I was right about Blu-ray taking the lead in total sales. In spite of the nastiness from the HD-DVD fans I stuck to my guns. I was right, they were wrong.

You will see, by this time next year I will be proven right about this too. ;)

Universal movies will be released on Blu-ray discs, simply a matter of when, not if.

So then who exactly are you trying to convince with that last statement?
It's a nice riddle, isn't it? :D Only some people know for sure. ;)

I could give two sh-ts about the other two Matrix films-- talk about filmmakers with a one hit wonder! I just want the first one. I can wait.

Dan
yea...........cause the other two and V for vendetta were flops

it would either be highly compressed with artifacts, and missing any HD sound and extras, or it would have to be two discs. hd-dvd's specs were outdated from the get go.

warner is just giving hd-dvd some last second life support by handing them a couple month exclusive on the matrix 1 (2 and 3 are crap, nobody liked them and nobody cares). warner wants to keep hd-dvd alive so they can sell their stupid double format disc.

i'll wait till they release matrix 1, alone, with hd sound, on blu-ray. anything less and i'll just keep waiting. honestly im sick of warner's bs with their crappy sound and soft images from hd-dvd vc-1.
actually i read in extreme pc mag they are going to have a triple layer 51 gig disk out soon for HD-DVD. it was a small blurb in the front of the mag (the cover is all about pc hardware vs. hardware)

actually i read in extreme pc mag they are going to have a triple layer 51 gig disk out soon for HD-DVD. it was a small blurb in the front of the mag (the cover is all about pc hardware vs. hardware)

Dont listen to Tripton, he got suspended for trolling, shhhhhhh! ;)

yea...........cause the other two and V for vendetta were flops
Bound was a decent flick, too. How can you go wrong when you have Joey Pants in your movie?

Many insiders are on the record now saying that Universal is aggressively meeting with BDA people and exploring BD authoring.

I would be willing to bet anyone on this forum $$$ that we see Universal movies in a blue case for sale in the United States in the next two years.

I was right in the beginning of November 2006 about the coming Blu-ray surge in sales. I was right about Blu-ray taking the lead in total sales. In spite of the nastiness from the HD-DVD fans I stuck to my guns. I was right, they were wrong.

You will see, by this time next year I will be proven right about this too. ;)

Universal movies will be released on Blu-ray discs, simply a matter of when, not if.

Please provide a link to insiders saying Universal is aggressively meeting with BDA people. Or did you hear this from beatboy?

what will it take BR to be able to do this release?

This is almost sig worthy. I lol'ed in real life.

The only thing keeping HD-DVD from obsolesence is the exclusive support of Universal studios.

The day Universal announces its first Blu-ray title is the day the death toll rings for HD-DVD.

And for the obligatory fanboy that will chime in: Universal is not going neutral, keep wishing, blah, blah, blah, wah, wahhh...

Many insiders are on the record now saying that Universal is aggressively meeting with BDA people and exploring BD authoring.

I would be willing to bet anyone on this forum $$$ that we see Universal movies in a blue case for sale in the United States in the next two years.

I was right in the beginning of November 2006 about the coming Blu-ray surge in sales. I was right about Blu-ray taking the lead in total sales. In spite of the nastiness from the HD-DVD fans I stuck to my guns. I was right, they were wrong.

You will see, by this time next year I will be proven right about this too. ;)

Universal movies will be released on Blu-ray discs, simply a matter of when, not if.

We'll see this time NEXT year if you were right about Universal going neutral within TWO years?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

We'll see this time NEXT year if you were right about Universal going neutral within TWO years?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


I made a distinction in my original post that apparently you missed. I said I would be willing to bet money that Universal will be neutral in two years.

However, many insiders have said it will happen this year. Two years though is a 100% bet, hence that time period was mentioned in connection with betting money on it. :p

Please provide a link to insiders saying Universal is aggressively meeting with BDA people. Or did you hear this from beatboy?


Bill Hunt, PentonMan, Talkstr8t, and many others on other forums, have independently stated that Universal is investigating BD authoring aggressively or that they expect a major studio to come over to Blu-ray this year. In fact, Bill Hunt came to this forum and posted pretty openly about it. However that thread was censored and closed, which is really a shame. Because of things like this, many people in the community view AVS as pretty heavily biased towards HD-DVD.
Bill was just trying to share what the "word on the street" is so to speak, and maybe save some people from wasting more money on the losing format.

It is not my responsibility to provide direct links for you. Use Google, try visiting some other online communities where insiders post.

---edit---

Just to clarify, I am not saying that HD-DVD will be completely extinct, or that it will just vanish. HD-DVD will continue on as the minority, niche format. I am sure that there will be people on this forum two years from now who swear by HD-DVD and say that low bitrate VC-1 and DD+ 640k are all that is needed to be transparent to the master, blah, blah, blah.

However, there will be only one format that offers movies from ALL the studios, and that format will be Blu-ray. :)

Time