I thought I would start a model-specific thread for this unit and its siblings. If I have missed a preexisting one I apologize and please let me know.

I picked up the new Magnavox ZV450MW8, DVDR / VCR w/ ATSC and digital cable tuner.

After making far too many rounds, I was surprised to now suddenly have 5 DVDR w/ ATSC choices at WalMart, with empty shelf spaces for two more coming soon.

No HDMI
the VCR does not output to S Video or component.

In the manual's words it "records 16:9 as 4:3". I have only tested for one night, but it clearly correctly records the entire signal to the entire 720x480 frame. It does not waste resolution by recording any bars into the picture. So, if you have a 16:9 TV and set the 450 as such, the recording will fit correctly.

The unit is a little loud and vibrates noticably, much more so than the LG 797 I tried first and just returned. This makes me nervous about longevity.

It tunes digital TV slooooowly, so anyone needing it as their STB can forget it. I could live with it solely for recording.

It always records +/-RW in +VR mode. My analog Samsung gave the choice of video mode. I only have -RW on hand as that was all the Samsung took.

I dubbed a tape to disc. Then I added chapters on the unit, something I had always saved for the PC. I figured since it was going to use VR mode anyway, I might as well give it a try. The chapters appeared correctly.

Finalizing took forever. I wonder if it would have gone more quickly without the chapters. When imported to the PC I noticed all the chapter break points had the highest cell IDs scattered throughout the otherwise sequentially numbered cells of the title. I figure it spent a ton of time chewing and re-writing to split, create, and re-position the new cells. This is something I can do in a heartbeat on the PC.

Dub quality seems ok. It was a pretty poor tape I used last night. I may redo one of the two much nicer tapes I did on the LG to get a more fair apples to apples comparison.

Mike

Picked one up on Thursday. Seems to fit the bill for what I want, which is simple time-shifting of programming from digital OTA stations in the correct aspect ratio on my 16:9 set.

As for noise and vibration, I've noticed nothing at all like this on my unit. Dead quiet except for "normal" noises associated with a VCR. In fact, I'd have to say it's the quietest DVD recorder I've run across so far.

The +RW disks I've tried so far have even ended up being able to play back in my XBox, which is a real bonus so far as I'm concerned.

I also picked up one for my grandparents and will be learning / testing it for a few weeks before passing it on to them.

Some initial observations (only have hooked up to a 4:3 TV so far since that is what my grandparents have).

1) Digital channel changing is slower with cable DTV channels than OTA DTV channels. OTA DTV channel changing isn't much worse than my Sony DHG-HDD250 HD DVR. Like that unit, you must let the channel tune before you can channel up / down to the next channel.

2) Recorded image for a 4:3 TV will match what you actually see on the TV. For example, when I recorded a program with the unit set to 4:3 P&S, it zoomed / cropped the DTV image to show only a full screen. When I set the image to 4:3 letterbox, it recorded the program with the bars for a DTV program (just like it looked on the screen -- I.e. SD programs (Amazing Race) appeared window boxed on a 4:3 TV

3) I found the DTV tuner to be about as good as my other 4 ATSC tuners and the analog tuner to be weaker than the analog tuner in my $75 20" Celera (yeah I know...off brand) TV that is about 3 years old.

Over the next week, I plan to hook it up to my plasma and my attic antenna to see how it behaves that way. So far, it looks simple enough to use the basic functions that my grandparents would require. Timer recording, playback, etc.

...you must let the [current] channel tune before you can channel up / down to the next channel.



...and this is the deal breaker. I will be returning this unit to Wal-Mart and may try out the Panasonic. Using this unit as a Set top box (to view TV all the time), this "feature" is not acceptable and make the unit nearly unusable.

Interesting perspective on speed of tuning, etc. I guess I don't think about it much, since I had a DVR in the mix for quite a few years. I never watched live TV, and trying to channel surf was un-doable since it took several seconds to buffer the video feed before it would display it or allow you to change channels again.

My dad has Dish, and I always have to remember that surfing is not an option.
You go to the guide and decide what to check out.
With a decent set and DTV OTA, surfing is just like it used to be - fast. Remember then?
And if you want to jump two channels up, you just hit the button twice and it happens.
Any DVDR tuner should in theory be able to do this if two different TVs I've had can.

Mike

I saw this one in WalMart last night, and at least compared to the Panasonic DMR-Z37K, I thought that the Magnavox has such a cheap "look and feel" that I couldn't even consider it.

Yes, I'm afraid this one is going back as soon as my third option presents itself.
I hope someone gets a solid unit together soon.
Right now it's "choose your flaws."

$185 at Wal-Mart, last night (4 APR 07) here in STL.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5622734

Bought for VCR to DVD dubbing, works well at that. The NTSC tuner works OK. The ATSC tuner is SDTV only. Sensitivity seems OK for local work, so far.

The lack of recording modes for OTA above 480 does not overly disturb me, so this is a pretty decent low cost solution to combine an SDTV tuner, VCR, DVD recorder/dubber into one unit. This Magnavox replaced an Samsung ATSC tuner (SIR-T451) and VCR/DVD combo. Using the same antenna, the Magnavox locked KETC (PBS) and KNLC (religious), where the Samsung was unable to maintain lock. Propogation was pretty flat that night as well. All other locals were recieved on ATSC. Note: my zip is 63119, and most of the majors are within five miles.

An interesting feature is that ATSC channels can be manually entered, with sub-channels, and retained. Auto scanning is of course supported.

The only bitch for me is that the remote is a small affair, with smaller keys and labeling. Getting older is a bitch. Menuing is OK. Manual is OK. (with one errata page added in)

There is no RF output on Ch 3/4 (the unit does pass through RF, single F in for both tuners, single F out); all outputs must be on composite, S-Video, or component. An s-Video in is provided, as is a composite in (RCA). Progressive playback mode for DVD's is supported with a menu switch (default is "off"), and outputs through component.

Hope that helps.

Updates after one month:

Analog/NTSC tuner performance is definitely inferior. ATSC tuning is slow, but sensitivity is acceptable for an urban environment with strong signals.

Has lost clock data at least once. Fortunately, nothing was scheduled. Also, the remote has gone wonky, refused to operate at least once. Restart of main unit cleared this. Channel data has been lost at least once; a rescan fixed this.

Menuing is simple, and easily mastered. Remote is still too small for easy use by us old folks. VCR>DVD dubbing works well. I've copied 50+ tapes with no problems on recording (other than broadcast flag equivalent on commercial tapes), and the discs played fine in other units after finalization.

Has lost clock data at least once. Fortunately, nothing was scheduled. Also, the remote has gone wonky, refused to operate at least once. Restart of main unit cleared this. Channel data has been lost at least once; a rescan fixed this.

Mine seemed to do a total re-set, lost timer & channels. The first time I thought I may have suffered a brief power outage while at work. The second time, I began to wonder... The third time, I was out of town for the weekend, but didn't see any other evidence of a power failure.

I suspect that something may be going wonky with the automatic clock set, so I turned that off in hopes that it wouldn't happen again. It's only been a week since then, but so far, so good.

Mine seemed to do a total re-set, lost timer & channels. The first time I thought I may have suffered a brief power outage while at work. The second time, I began to wonder... The third time, I was out of town for the weekend, but didn't see any other evidence of a power failure.

I suspect that something may be going wonky with the automatic clock set, so I turned that off in hopes that it wouldn't happen again. It's only been a week since then, but so far, so good.

Firmware/chipset/CMOS. We're early adopters...at least this unit is comparatively cheap for a VCR/DVD/SDTV combo.

There's always E-Bay.

It is cheap.

On the plus side, one more day has passed without any re-set glitches. I'm beginning to suspect more strongly that it was just freaking out on the automatic time set. If this is the case, I can live with it. There doesn't seem to be any appreciable clock drift. The tuner is good enough and it allows me to do what I want, which is time shift 16:9 programming. I still have roughly 2 months before the Wal-Mart 90 day return window runs out. If something comes out in that time with a hard drive built in, I may give it a try. Otherwise, this will do nicely.

Is there a EPG guides with this unit?

-DonB2

Is there a EPG guides with this unit?

-DonB2

No. No EPG. I had to revert to checking the schedule on-line or in the newspaper on a weekly basis to plan my viewing. But since you only get 8 recording slots, it doesn't add that much to the hassle for me. It's just routine now.

TimSh,

Thanks!

So many plus minus's with these ATSC DVD recorders

-DonB2

Mine seemed to do a total re-set, lost timer & channels. The first time I thought I may have suffered a brief power outage while at work. The second time, I began to wonder... The third time, I was out of town for the weekend, but didn't see any other evidence of a power failure.

I suspect that something may be going wonky with the automatic clock set, so I turned that off in hopes that it wouldn't happen again. It's only been a week since then, but so far, so good.



I also had this problem after buying the unit from Wal-mart,after exchanging it for the same model I still had the same problem..............I called customer support & they had me try several solutions none of which worked.I see they are not aware of this problem as of yet.Does anyone have a solution?? Anuy help would be appreciated,thanks

I also had this problem after buying the unit from Wal-mart,after exchanging it for the same model I still had the same problem..............I called customer support & they had me try several solutions none of which worked.I see they are not aware of this problem as of yet.Does anyone have a solution?? Anuy help would be appreciated,thanks
Try setting your clock manually and turning DST OFF. More info here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=846731)

Does turning off the DST make a permanent fix for the re-set issue with this unit??

Does turning off the DST make a permanent fix for the re-set issue with this unit??
Does that mean you tried it and it worked?

If it did, it's only a workaround for a machine that has the old DST rules in its FW. A permanent fix can only come from revised FW with the new timing (Mar-Nov)...or a switch back to the old DST times (Apr-Oct).

The Philips DVDR3575H has options for both the old and new DST times when setting DST on.

P.S. You may be able to use Auto-Clock, but not DST.

No, but I was wondering if TimSH's issues had been resolved after turning off the automatic clock set,since this is what triggered the total re-set..........

I see a Magnavox with digital tuner and Hard drive and DVD at Wallmart.

Anyone own one?

-DonB2

I am using my Magnavox ZV450MW8 unit as a signal source for my 1965 vintage Zenith color tv. It is fine except for one problem. When I push the power button either on the unit or remote, the power LED lights and the unit immediately shuts down. It had done this occasionally but after two or three tries it would eventually come on. Now I can't bring it back even by unplugging the unit for extended periods.

Is there a way to reset it? I don't mind opening it up if need be. Could this be related to the auto clock set problem? I recently enabled that feature. Before then, it had not acted up for the longest time. I suspect a correlation between the two but I can't get the unit back on to disable it.

Any help or advice would be appreciated as I really like this unit and do not want to replace it.

I am using my Magnavox ZV450MW8 unit as a signal source for my 1965 vintage Zenith color tv. It is fine except for one problem. When I push the power button either on the unit or remote, the power LED lights and the unit immediately shuts down. It had done this occasionally but after two or three tries it would eventually come on. Now I can't bring it back even by unplugging the unit for extended periods.

Is there a way to reset it? I don't mind opening it up if need be. Could this be related to the auto clock set problem? I recently enabled that feature. Before then, it had not acted up for the longest time. I suspect a correlation between the two but I can't get the unit back on to disable it.

Any help or advice would be appreciated as I really like this unit and do not want to replace it.
If it's the "DST Bug," you should disconnect any inputs to the Maganvox and see if this returns control to you. If it does, you can turn DST OFF, then reconnect inputs.

Auto-clock is not the problem, but just in case, I'd set clock manually while setting DST OFF (most important thing).

If no joy, keep inputs disconnected and RESET the Magnavox (check manual, or just unplug for an extended period). Turn DST OFF after you get it back on after reset. Don't connect any inputs till you get DST OFF.

If it's the "DST Bug," you should disconnect any inputs to the Maganvox and see if this returns control to you. If it does, you can turn DST OFF, then reconnect inputs.

If no joy, keep inputs disconnected and RESET the Magnavox (check manual, or just unplug for an extended period). Turn DST OFF after you get it back on after reset. Don't connect any inputs till you get DST OFF.

I read the manual. I saw no reset procedure in the limited troubleshooting steps. The input signal is just an amplified antenna. I do not have cable but I believe the clock sets itself using one of the over the air stations, probably PBS.

I looked all over the unit and saw no reset button or pinhole. Is there a key sequence? I even tried holding the power button down. Maybe I'll disconnect the antenna for a while.

I read the manual. I saw no reset procedure in the limited troubleshooting steps. The input signal is just an amplified antenna. I do not have cable but I believe the clock sets itself using one of the over the air stations, probably PBS.

I looked all over the unit and saw no reset button or pinhole. Is there a key sequence? I even tried holding the power button down. Maybe I'll disconnect the antenna for a while.
On other units, the reset keys... on the unit itself, not the remote, and with power on... are Channel up/down (Panasonic) and Standby/On + Stop (Pioneer). You can try those but prob. won/t work. Unplugging from power for at least an hour might do the job...try one hour, but overnight might be better?

I opened the unit up last night and found the tuner board has a smaller module attached to it that looks like it contains the processor and other digital circuits. One of the chips on this board was getting extremely hot. I'm trying to find a replacement for that circuit board. The rest of the machine is fine. I would rather try to fix it.

Anyone figure out how to tape one program while watching another on the TV with this unit? This is without a cable set top box and the ZV450MW8 is set to use the analog tuner. For the life of me I can't find a normal "VCR/TV" button on the remote to let the signal pass through so I can use the TV's own tuner to watch something while taping.

Anyone figure out how to tape one program while watching another on the TV with this unit? This is without a cable set top box and the ZV450MW8 is set to use the analog tuner. For the life of me I can't find a normal "VCR/TV" button on the remote to let the signal pass through so I can use the TV's own tuner to watch something while taping.

I don't know if this will help because I have a different Mag DVD Recorder.

I use the VCR/TV button on my TV remote. That lets me watch TV while the DVD Recorder is recording another channel.

ZV450MW8 vs ZC350MS8

Does anybody know if the ZC350MS8 at Sam's Club ($116.72)

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=360749&pCatg=5847

is the same or similar to the ZV450MW8 from Walmart?

I don't know if this will help because I have a different Mag DVD Recorder.

I use the VCR/TV button on my TV remote. That lets me watch TV while the DVD Recorder is recording another channel.

Thanks. That didn't help me though. I don't have an option like that on the TV remote. This is the first VCR I ever owned that didn't have the old vcr/tv button on it to let the signal pass through while taping something. I can't believe they would just leave out an option like that. Being able to tape one thing while watching another was one of the best things about a VCR.

Thanks. That didn't help me though. I don't have an option like that on the TV remote. This is the first VCR I ever owned that didn't have the old vcr/tv button on it to let the signal pass through while taping something. I can't believe they would just leave out an option like that. Being able to tape one thing while watching another was one of the best things about a VCR.
Does your TV have any line inputs (composite RCA or S-Video)? If you connect a line input from the Maggie, there should be a button on the TV remote that might say "Video" (that's what mine says). Switching to Video shows the pic from the combo, while pushing it again switches to the RF passthru?

Nope. No "video" button on the tv remote either but it does have audio/video imputs on the front.

The way I have this set up is I have a new DVR from the cable company. I just got this after upgrading cable. You actually made me decide to do that with your reply to an earlier question I had about what to buy when you suggested a DVR. There are two incoming cable wires. One was put in for a cable modem but I've switched to DSL. I have one going in to the DVR and that goes out to the coax connection on the back of the TV. Then the second cable goes in to the new Magnavox VCR/DVD recorder and out from there to the TV via the front audio/video jacks.

In order to switch between the DVR and the new Magnavox I have to set the TV to either channel 4 for the DVR/cable box or AV for the combo unit. In this way I can watch one program while recording another. I was just surprised not to see a vcr/TV button on the combo unit itself.

ZV450MW8 vs ZC350MS8

Does anybody know if the ZC350MS8 at Sam's Club ($116.72)

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=360749&pCatg=5847

is the same or similar to the ZV450MW8 from Walmart?

It's the DVD-only version. I would assume that the tuners, etc, are the same.

I watch one thing and record another with the 450 all the time.
I am OTA, not cable, but the principle is the same. You will not tune premium channels but should retain basic. The trick is you have to feed coax to recorder, coax to TV.
Then the recorder can tune and record one thing while the TV tunes another.
I have the recorder double-connected, so I never have to switch channels and I get the superior connection of the AV input for watching recordings or the recorder's tuner.
Good luck,
Mike

I bought a Mag. ZV450 etc. about a week ago.
I have it connected to my sat. lead and then the lead to the TV.
I'm using the RCA cables.
I can get it to record the Tv to disc OK, but so far, everything I've tried has failed to record the VCR tape.
For some of you who have said that was the main reason you got this set, help me out here. I got it to replace a VCR that had developed a great appetite for tapes an since most of what I have is on tape. I thought I would get this machine and be able to place my tapes on disc, but so far it has defied me.
Any one care to offer some help?
Thanks.

I have a ZC350MS8 and it loses its digital channel programming memory regularly. I have to let it do it's channel scanning again to recover. Anyone else have this problem or know a solution?

Is there a way to hide the recording date in the titles?

Has anyone tried to load any DVD content into their PC to edit? I am using Nero and cannot load more than about 20 minutes worth of video before I get an error: failed to seek within the file VTS_01_1.VOB.

Anyone got any ideas? This format seems very foreign. My Sony external DVDRW drive will not even recognize a dvd that came out of the ZV450.

My local Wal-Mart's have pulled this unit from their shelves in the last week.

Note: It's still up on Wal-Mart's web site.

I've had the lg 797 for a little more than a year, and this thing is crashing on me, it won't read dvd's anymore, and when I stop watching a tape and go back to it's tuner the sound goes out... so I have to turn it off, then on again to get the sound to work.

I highly recommend NOT getting a lg 797 dvd/vcr combo. I've tried cleaning the DVD eye with no luck in getting it to work. I've even looked into a replacement of just the DVD assembly, and it costs as much as I can go out and buy a whole new unit that won't give me so much grief. :(

Both recorders are still working at 19 months. One needs resetting every week or so.

I suspect they will be replaced with HDMI compliant devices in the next two years, as I acquire more/better HDTV's.

My parents bought one. They told me that a rental copy of Reservation Road, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831884/dvd, would not play in the Magnavox ZV450MW8A. They were able to play the disk in another Magnavox, player only, that was in another room. They got a second copy of the disk and still couldn't play it. Has anyone else run into disks that wouldn't play in this model? They called customer support and were not able to get any help.

I recently bought this unit and it has frustrated me to no end. The book is more then hard to read. Both my wife and I are college educated and it makes zero sense to us..

I have called for help at least 4 times and every time the kid, and I mean a real 18 year old kid, didn't know anything about this unit.

I have had almost all Magnavox products for the past 30 years.. but this is my last one. I can't believe that they have sunk to this level.. this is after 3 main TV's and countless VHS players. but never, ever, had a unit that had to be double hooked up just to see the picture on the VHS, and then the DVD side.

and today when I tried to dub some old TV shows to DVD, it said that they could not be copied.

this unit is a piece of trash. and I never thought that I would say that about a Magnavox at any time..

they have ruined their reputation with me.

I recently bought this unit and it has frustrated me to no end. The book is more then hard to read. Both my wife and I are college educated and it makes zero sense to us..

I have called for help at least 4 times and every time the kid, and I mean a real 18 year old kid, didn't know anything about this unit.

I have had almost all Magnavox products for the past 30 years.. but this is my last one. I can't believe that they have sunk to this level.. this is after 3 main TV's and countless VHS players. but never, ever, had a unit that had to be double hooked up just to see the picture on the VHS, and then the DVD side.

and today when I tried to dub some old TV shows to DVD, it said that they could not be copied.

this unit is a piece of trash. and I never thought that I would say that about a Magnavox at any time..

they have ruined their reputation with me.

The Magnavox brand is owned by Funai, Inc. They have not been manufactured in the US for many years. Because the margins are so slim, not many quality DVD\VCR recorder combo's are made. I have two of these models, and one is showing signs of failing after 2 years. It will probably be replaced with a hard-drive/DVD recorder that has an HDMI output.

My parents bought one. They told me that a rental copy of Reservation Road, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831884/dvd, would not play in the Magnavox ZV450MW8A. They were able to play the disk in another Magnavox, player only, that was in another room. They got a second copy of the disk and still couldn't play it. Has anyone else run into disks that wouldn't play in this model? They called customer support and were not able to get any help.

DVD player/recording on this model can be spotty. I have a unit nearing 2 years old, with minimal usage that is having issues.

Remember, these units were out among the first, and on the cheap end at Wal-Mart.

I purchased my first unit the 15th of December 2008 from WalMart. I returned and exchanged it for a second unit on the 18th of January.

The clocks will NOT keep time! It loses several minutes during the day.

It also resets itself as it approaches 1:00 a.m. (I have watched it do it!!!!) -- setting itself back one hour. At that same time it changes from a.m to p.m.

The screen at which the clock can be reset then shows:

- 2 months earlier than the current month
- the correct date
- the year 2037
- the day corresponding to the current day
- the time shown on the screen

It makes no difference if I use the "Auto" clock set or the manual clock set options. The clock has never worked for more than two days at at time!

I called and spoke with a technician at Funai's 800-605-8610 number, before I returned the first one to the store, and was told I could send it in for repair....that would leave me without a unit for at least a couple of weeks. I do NOT wish to be without a recording device for that long! I have proposed to Funai Corp (via their customer contact email) that they desk-check a unit and sent it to me with a guarantee that it *will* work and a call tag so I can send this cripled uint back to them. Wonder how well that request will go over?!

The VCR recorder portion of it seems to work well...as long as I set the clock immediately before I set the unit to record! But I have been so disgusted with this problem that I've not even tried to do any recording to DVD - either directly from the TV or dubbing from my VCRs!

Arghhh!!

I purchased my first unit the 15th of December 2008 from WalMart. I returned and exchanged it for a second unit on the 18th of January.

The clocks will NOT keep time! It loses several minutes during the day.

It also resets itself as it approaches 1:00 a.m. (I have watched it do it!!!!) -- setting itself back one hour. At that same time it changes from a.m to p.m.

It makes no difference if I use the "Auto" clock set or the manual clock set options. The clock has never worked for more than two days at at time!
There's one thing you haven't tried yet, maybe, that might help.

Check this post for my "11:57 Procedure" for setting the clock on Philips/Magnavox units. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298425&postcount=11) It uses the Auto Clock menu's Manual option to set a channel that provides a "reliable" time signal and gives a way to confirm that your unit is getting such a signal.

With Auto Clock just set for On, the unit searches ALL channels until it finds something it likes, but there seem to be many "spurious" or unrelaible signals that can make your clock go to 2037 or some other "fun" time in space.

The Manual setting option confines the channel search to just that channel you set, so it won't find any goofy stuff in a signal.

Use the "3575/3576" or the "2160" option depending on whether your unit allows you to set digital channels as a source or just analog... the 3575/3576 option is just analog.

With the 11:57 procedure, which takes just a few minutes, you can try a FOX channel, which is my only remaining source for a reliable time signal here... PBS goes to EST but I'm in CST zone.

Might be worth a try?

I just recently purchased this model at Walmart and after going through the whole set up process with the dubbing I converted a VHS to a DVD. Problem is it only plays on this DVD player and no other player, it won't work on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 640m Vista) nor my desk top which uses XP.

On the desktop it recognizes as a blank CD, and it won't play on the laptop. I basically need to rip the DVD onto the computer but if it won't even recognize it on the systems then I'm unable to do so. All material is non-copyright so helpful tips would be much appreciated.

It just needs Finalizing... find "Finalize" in the Disc Edit menu.

oh no wonder, thank you very much!

Does anyone know if the Magnavox ZV450MW8 has a "Zoom" feature that allows you to "crop" or more adequately fill the screen when watching DVD movies? Thanks.

Press DISPLAY button and arrow right to next-to-last icon, press OK and select a zoom option. Might need the title playing or on pause?

Thank all of you for your expert and correct advice! I have one more additional question (for now).

If you had a choice between the Magnavox ZV450MW8 DVD/VCR Combo (Walmart $180.00) or the Toshiba D-VR660 DVD/VCR Combo (Internet $240.00) for use with an on the roof antenna, an analog TV set and an APT converter box, *which one* would you choose? (Keeping in mind that you wish to record multiple channels while you are away and also want to watch one channel while viewing another when at home? (Whew!) Thanks again.

How bout recording a Gazillion program while away with one of these HDD DVDRs. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=940657)

Thank all of you for your expert and correct advice! I have one more additional question (for now).

If you had a choice between the Magnavox ZV450MW8 DVD/VCR Combo (Walmart $180.00) or the Toshiba D-VR660 DVD/VCR Combo (Internet $240.00) for use with an on the roof antenna, an analog TV set and an APT converter box, *which one* would you choose? (Keeping in mind that you wish to record multiple channels while you are away and also want to watch one channel while viewing another when at home? (Whew!) Thanks again.

Funai manufactures Magnavox and Toshiba. If you are considering a product priced at $240 the analog and digital tuner Magnavox H2160MW9 with 160GB HD and DVD recording, is about $250 (plus $4.97 shipping) at walmart.com. That's a bargain.

For copying home-recorded videotapes just connect your present VCR to an input, record to the hard drive, edit the content if you like then high speed dub to DVD.

Thank all of you for your expert and correct advice! I have one more additional question (for now).

If you had a choice between the Magnavox ZV450MW8 DVD/VCR Combo (Walmart $180.00) or the Toshiba D-VR660 DVD/VCR Combo (Internet $240.00) for use with an on the roof antenna, an analog TV set and an APT converter box, *which one* would you choose? (Keeping in mind that you wish to record multiple channels while you are away and also want to watch one channel while viewing another when at home? (Whew!) Thanks again.

Thanks DigaDo and Wajo but which one of the above would you buy if you had no others to pick from? (I have been researching them for so long that I gguess I'm determined to buy one of them). I just want to be sure that I can use it in concert with a digital converter box and an analog TV.

Thanks DigaDo and Wajo but which one of the above would you buy if you had no others to pick from? (I have been researching them for so long that I gguess I'm determined to buy one of them). I just want to be sure that I can use it in concert with a digital converter box and an analog TV.

I already own one Magnavox 2160, one Magnavox 2080 and one Philips 3575, all HDD/DVD recorders; and sixteen Panasonic ES/EZ DVD recorders or combo recorders of the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 model years.

After looking at the owners manuals for the models you've been researching it appears that these Funai machines are much the same, garden-variety digital-tuner combo recorders. The Toshiba 660 has a remote very much like that of my Magnavox 2160, a more practical design with larger buttons than the Magnavox 450 remote, similar in design to that supplied with my Magnavox 2080.

The machines you've been researching may be OK, but why settle for the limitations of a combo recorder when an outstanding Magnavox 2160 HDD/DVD recorder may be had for $10 more than the Toshiba?

DigaDo, but I'm a member of the "Great Unwashed" when it comes to electronic ability. I also want to transfer a large number of VHS tapes to DVD. I cannot possibly even "imagine" ways of hooking up old VHS players to this *monstrosity* you suggest. Hard drives in a DVD recorder? I can't even get used to this idea in my computer! * I 'jus puut thing in slot undt poosh booton!* (my best German accent). No, my new item has to look like something I'm used to looking at or I'm too intimidated to try it. Thanks

DigaDo, but I'm a member of the "Great Unwashed" when it comes to electronic ability. I also want to transfer a large number of VHS tapes to DVD. I cannot possibly even "imagine" ways of hooking up old VHS players to this *monstrosity* you suggest. Hard drives in a DVD recorder? I can't even get used to this idea in my computer! * I 'jus puut thing in slot undt poosh booton!* (my best German accent). No, my new item has to look like something I'm used to looking at or I'm too intimidated to try it. Thanks

The AVS Forum consists of folks asking questions and other folks answering those questions and providing advice based upon their personal experience.

Here's some advice. Be sure to keep your old VCR so that you may connect it to an input on whatever DVD recorder or combo recorder you purchase. Why is that? As you begin to transfer a large number of VHS tapes to DVD with a combo recorder you may find that the VHS section may not satisfactorily track your VHS tapes. Those that have "been there, done that" suggest using the VCR that originally recorded the tapes as the player in a dubbing/copying project.

I am just one of those that have "been there, done that," as described here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13955310#post13955310

My project transferring around 5,200 titles to DVD took ten months, usually with four 2005/2006 Panasonics combo recorders and two 1996 Toshiba VCRs running up to sixteen hours a day (and sometimes with seven Panasonic 2005/2006 combo recorders and DVD recorders running up to eighteen hours a day).

The AVS Forum consists of folks asking questions and other folks answering those questions and providing advice based upon their personal experience.

Here's some advice. Be sure to keep your old VCR so that you may connect it to an input on whatever DVD recorder or combo recorder you purchase. Why is that? As you begin to transfer a large number of VHS tapes to DVD with a combo recorder you may find that the VHS section may not satisfactorily track your VHS tapes. Those that have "been there, done that" suggest using the VCR that originally recorded the tapes as the player in a dubbing/copying project.

I am just one of those that have "been there, done that," as described here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13955310#post13955310

My project transferring around 5,200 titles to DVD took ten months, usually with four 2005/2006 Panasonics combo recorders and two 1996 Toshiba VCRs running up to sixteen hours a day (and sometimes with seven Panasonic 2005/2006 combo recorders and DVD recorders running up to eighteen hours a day).

Because of everything I have read in many forums I purchased, but have not yet received a 2160. From what I have read there is not made a DVD/VRC Recorder w/Digital Tuner that is worth buying right? Now my other question is, how do you hook up a VCR to the 2160 to transfer VHS to DVD?

Because of everything I have read in many forums I purchased, but have not yet received a 2160. From what I have read there is not made a DVD/VRC Recorder w/Digital Tuner that is worth buying right? Now my other question is, how do you hook up a VCR to the 2160 to transfer VHS to DVD?

As to VCR/2160 connections, the VCR composite video (yellow) out is connected to the 2160 composite video (yellow) in; the VCR audio (white and red) out is connected to the 2160 audio (white and red) in. Record to the hard drive from the input fed from the VCR. Choose recording speeds/durations that will allow fitting the desired recordings to a DVD through the use of the high speed dubbing feature. The recordings may be edited before high speed dubbing to DVD.

See wajo's sticky thread for a wealth of information, some of which (such as front and end cut editing) may not be found in the Owner's Manual:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=940657

I suggest that one should become familiar with the operation and use of these products before purchase. Owner/user comments and online owner's manuals are especially good sources of information.

Some folks may find current DVD/VHS combo recorders satisfactory for their use. I do not.

Most of my DVD recorders and combo recorders are Panasonics.

With the Panasonic 2005 model year I found that the DMR-ES30V combo recorder exceeded my performance expectations so I purchased two of that model. My daughter familiarized herself with my DMR-ES30V models and also purchased two of that model. (I also purchased a 2005 DMR-ES40V combo recorder that did not meet my minumum performance expectations. I wouldn't have made that $270 mistake if I had read the DMR-ES40V Operating Instructions before purchasing that model.)

With the Panasonic 2006 model year the DMR-ES35V combo recorder exceeded my performance expectations so I purchased five of that model, and four DMR-ES15 DVD recorders. (The 2006 model year also had the DMR-ES45V and DMR-ES46V combo recorders that would also exceed my performance expectations. I did not purchase those more expensive models as they had HDMI and upconverting features that I did not need.) I also purchased two DMR-ES35V parts machines in the summer of 2007, and one of the DMR-ES15 models become a parts machine back in September 2008.

After reading the Operating Instructions and inquiring with Panasonic I did not purchase 2007 or 2008 model year Panasonic combo recorders because they did not meet my minimum performance expectations. I did purchase four 2007 DMR-EZ17 DVD recorders and one 2008 DMR-EZ28 DVD recorder. These models proved to have bugs and design flaws, requiring various workarounds (see other threads for that information) in order to keep them functional. If one must purchase a Panasonic EZ series recorder I suggest the DMR-EZ28 DVD recorder as a satisfactory choice. I do not recommend Panasonic EZ series combo recorders. The recent tunerless DMR-EA18 DVD recorder is supposed to be more reliable than tuner-equipped models. Despite the bugs and design flaws Panasonics provide outstanding picture quality. This quality comes with a premium price for new Pansonic recorders. With the high incidence of EZ series customer returns, "open-box" and Panasonic "factory refurbished" EZ series recorders are attractively priced.

I've purchased a 2007 Philips 3575, a 2008 Magnavox 2080 and a 2009 Magnavox 2160, all HDD/DVD recorders. These have been proving themselves more flexible and reliable than the Panasonic EZ series recorders. While the Panasonics provide very good picture quality out to four hours per DVD (XP, SP, LP or FR), I limit the Philips/Magnavox recordings to no more than three hours per DVD (HQ, SP, SPP or LP) in order to maintain picture quality.

DigaDo, I've been looking at the machine you've suggested and also the setup program that Wajo sent. (about the 2160). I like to use the "Zoom" feature "on the fly", that is to instantly zoom in or zoom out on "lions eating antelope or even the Sports Illustrated swinsuit competions" (smile) It looks as though the zoom on this (2160) and the Mag. ZV450MW8 is not designed for this kind of instant on-off use. Toshiba has always had the best zoom features that enable you to simply press "Zoom" and increase or decrease the size of the frame(s) or the whole movie, does the Toshiba D-VR660 have this "zoom" button?. You mentioned machine *manuals* where can I find and read these manuals? You are obviously a professional, can the ordinary general public have access to this information? (I did not mean to call the 2160 a "monstrosity" it's just so intimidating please forgive me) Thanks again.

DigaDo, I've been looking at the machine you've suggested and also the setup program that Wajo sent. (about the 2160). I like to use the "Zoom" feature "on the fly . . . You mentioned machine *manuals* where can I find and read these manuals? You are obviously a professional, can the ordinary general public have access to this information? (I did not mean to call the 2160 a "monstrosity" it's just so intimidating please forgive me) Thanks again.

A $40 DVD player will have many more playback features than a DVD recorder. The primary purpose of DVD recorders is to record DVDs.

Technology is not my field. I'm just a fan of early talkies through the film noir era. At first I purchased one 2005 Panasonic DMR-ES30V combo recorder to record from Turner Classic Movies. When I realized that one combo recorder couldn't begin to handle time-shifting from TCM and transferring selected portions of my near twenty years of home-recorded videotapes from The Nostalgia Channel, AMC, and TCM, I purchased a second DMR-ES30V, and then a DMR-ES35V, and another, and another, and, well . . . Then, with heavy use I started to "service" (clean the DVD Drive rubber hubs) and make other needed adjustments. When I encountered a few problems (after the warranties expired) I purchased "parts machines" and learned to swap parts and make minor repairs in order to avoid "down time." Then, I learned to replace a capacitor in one model. Then, well, . . .

Most brands post PDF versions of owner's manuals at their websites under "support" or Customer Service.

Toshiba owner's manuals may be accessed from this page:

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/customersupport/

Magnavox owner's manuals (and those of some other Funai brands) may be accessed from this page:

http://www.funai-corp.com/support/manuals.aspx

Philips owner's manuals may be accessed by finding the model description and then clicking on user manual:

http://www.support.philips.com/support/html/index_us_en.html#../~scripts/xsltransformsearch.asp?url=http://www.sms.philips.com/catalogue/list?sid=SMS||type=CONSUMER||locale=us_en||mode=prods||item= DVD_HARDDISK_RECORDERS_SU||page=1||show=50&xsl=search_result.xsl

Panasonic Operating Instructions may be accessed from this page:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/operman/default.aspx

The Nostalgia Channel? I never heard of it. What provider do you have?

The Nostalgia Channel? I never heard of it. What provider do you have?

When we first got cable the franchise was held by Rogers, a Canadian company. They, and subsequent franchises offered The Nostalgia Channel until some time in 1990 when it was dropped in favor of AMC.

The Nostalgia Channel subsequently became the American Life Network:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmericanLife_TV_Network

WoW! Thanks DigaDo, but my computer is so slow that when I did arrive at the Toshiba site and "pulled up" the PDF format I found that the information that I wanted (about the Zoom feature) was on page 70! I tried to access this page and found that I could only load "one page at a time!" and each page took about 30 seconds to load! Not having that much time, I still don't know whether or not the Toshiba D-VR660 has a "Zoom" button on the remote. But thanks anyway. I'll try again when I have more time.

My zv450mw8 plays dvd's fine but does not play sound on vhs. I want to record from vhs to dvd. Can someone help me with this vcr muted problem? I have tried everything I can think of.

Also, this is my first post/reply on this site. Hope someone can help me.

I'll guess at a few things. First is there a audio button on your Maggy remote? Maybe try toggling that to different outputs. HiFi, Left, Right, Mono?
Another thing, is your tape commercial or one that you or someone else recorded?
If it's a home recorded tape it's possible it only has the mono or hifi audio tracks. I would think?? the Maggy has both linear and hifi heads but if not, well you can see where I'm going, or it's possible the Maggy is having problems with either the linear or hifi heads that might not show up on all tapes.
The best test for that would be to record something to VHS on your Maggy and then play it back to see if it works with sound.

WoW! Thanks DigaDo, but my computer is so slow that when I did arrive at the Toshiba site and "pulled up" the PDF format I found that the information that I wanted (about the Zoom feature) was on page 70! I tried to access this page and found that I could only load "one page at a time!" and each page took about 30 seconds to load! Not having that much time, I still don't know whether or not the Toshiba D-VR660 has a "Zoom" button on the remote. But thanks anyway. I'll try again when I have more time.

The Toshiba D-VR660 PDF manual is about 20MB, a slow download on dial-up. Once it's "done" downloading you may save the manual to your computer's hard drive. That will make it easier (and faster) to move around in the manual and enlarge the pages for easier reading. The ZOOM button is on the lower right corner of the remote, see the illustration on page 12, with a detailed description of the ZOOM feature on page 70.

The Toshiba D-VR660 PDF manual is about 20MB, a slow download on dial-up. Once it's "done" downloading you may save the manual to your computer's hard drive. That will make it easier (and faster) to move around in the manual and enlarge the pages for easier reading. The ZOOM button is on the lower right corner of the remote, see the illustration on page 12, with a detailed description of the ZOOM feature on page 70.

Thanks so much DigaDo! Seriously, you have given me more correct information and help with a few short posts than "Radio Shack, HH Gregg, Best Buy, Walmart, and K-Mart combined! *NO ONE* at these establishments has had the kind of information pertaining to or *any* concept of what I was talking about! One more question (for now) I will connect the Toshiba D-VR660 to my "on the roof" antenna, and then to my converter box (with APT) and then to my analog TV. This will allow me to record one digital "over the air" program while watching another right?

As for my love of the "Zoom" feature: I have a 54" analog projection TV. Most of today's DVD movies are in the "Letterbox" (postage stamp) format. So I am looking at a picture size that's 40% smaller than the screen! This drives me crazy so I "zoom" it in (crop) to the first enlargement and this helps to quiet me down so my wife can enjoy the movie. Imagine if they broadcast the *SUPER BOWL* in this format and tried to tell the audience that by looking at this postage sized picture they could actually *SEE MORE*! What would happen to their sponsors when we protested by not buying their products? We should "rise up" and boycott the movie industry (or something) until they understand that without us they don't have a movie industry! Anyway, that's why I must have a "zoom on the fly" feature. Thanks again

Thanks so much DigaDo! Seriously, you have given me more correct information and help with a few short posts than "Radio Shack, HH Gregg, Best Buy, Walmart, and K-Mart combined! *NO ONE* at these establishments has had the kind of information pertaining to or *any* concept of what I was talking about! One more question (for now) I will connect the Toshiba D-VR660 to my "on the roof" antenna, and then to my converter box (with APT) and then to my analog TV. This will allow me to record one digital "over the air" program while watching another right?

As for my love of the "Zoom" feature: I have a 54" analog projection TV. Most of today's DVD movies are in the "Letterbox" (postage stamp) format. So I am looking at a picture size that's 40% smaller than the screen! This drives me crazy so I "zoom" it in (crop) to the first enlargement and this helps to quiet me down so my wife can enjoy the movie. Imagine if they broadcast the *SUPER BOWL* in this format and tried to tell the audience that by looking at this postage sized picture they could actually *SEE MORE*! What would happen to their sponsors when we protested by not buying their products? We should "rise up" and boycott the movie industry (or something) until they understand that without us they don't have a movie industry! Anyway, that's why I must have a "zoom on the fly" feature. Thanks again

The connections that allow recording one digital program and watching another with a combo recorder, like the Toshiba 660, have the antenna connected to a splitter with one feed to the converter box that is, in turn, connected to the TV's threaded RF antenna in connector. The splitter's other feed would be connected to the 660's threaded RF antenna in connection and, depending upon what other inputs are available on your TV, connect the 660 to the TV with one of those inputs, say composite video (yellow RCA) and audio (white and red RCA), or component video (red, green blue RCA) and audio (white and red RCA), or S-Video (round with four pins) and audio (white and red RCA). Then use your TV remote to select among the inputs for viewing/setting up recordings and other purposes. The drawback when splitting the signal in this manner will be some loss of picture quality.

Since a combo recorder, like the Tosiba 660, modulates the RF output there will be limits to connectivity and functionality. Now, if you were to choose a DVD recorder without a VHS section the unmodulated RF output would allow connecting the antenna directly to the DVD recorder with the recorder's threaded RF output connected to TV's threaded RF input with no loss in signal quality or the analog pass through digital converter box could be connected to the DVD recorder's RF output and then to the TVs RF input. The DVD recorder outputs, component, S-Video or composite would be connected to the corresponding TV input. One good feature of the Philips 3576 and Magnavox 2160 HDD/DVD recorders is that these models amplify the unmodulated threaded RF output. You really need to visit Wajo's sticky thread for more information concerning these models:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=940657

Once a DVD recorder's aspect ratios are selected in the setup menu the recorder will record images in that manner. It is the aspect ratios chosen with the TV's remote that determines what you will see on the screen. You will need to experiment in order to find the display settings that you want.

The Zoom function on a DVD recorder may be useful if you want to closely study someone's earlobe but not much else.

Since a combo recorder, like the Tosiba 660, modulates the RF output there will be limits to connectivity and functionality.


The Zoom function on a DVD recorder may be useful if you want to closely study someone's earlobe but not much else.

Some combo units (Panasonic for sure) allow you to turn OFF the RF modulator. It's usually in the setup.
AFA the zoom function, users of the new Panasonic EZ-x8 series watching on a 4x3 TV report it's zoom function nicly crops off the sides of 16:9 programs to completely fill the screen. Some DVD players (like my Sonys) leave a annoying magnifying glass icon on the screen when in Zoom mode. Not very good for watching a while movie but OK when "studying someone's earlobe":D
Personally I get a better Picture when zooming on my digital TV but very few analog TVs have zoom features.

DigaDo, I was told that all I had to do to connect the DVD Combo (Toshiba 660) and (Mag ZV450) was to Connect the roof ant In to the DVD/VCR "In" then the DVD/VCR "out" to the converter box "In", then the converter box "out" to the TV. No red, white, or yellow connections are nescessary. When the DVD is recording, it will not "let go" of the channel it is recording until the timer expires. The converter box is then used to "grab" another channel from the same coax (there are hundreds available in every coax) and display it on the TV. (Just as we do every day on analog). To play back digital recordings from the DVD player, you set the converter box to channel 3 or 4 and it converts the digital signal to analog. This is all done with no other connections than mentioned. What do you think?

DigaDo, I was told that all I had to do to connect the DVD Combo (Toshiba 660) and (Mag ZV450) was to Connect the roof ant In to the DVD/VCR "In" then the DVD/VCR "out" to the converter box "In", then the converter box "out" to the TV. No red, white, or yellow connections are nescessary. When the DVD is recording, it will not "let go" of the channel it is recording until the timer expires. The converter box is then used to "grab" another channel from the same coax (there are hundreds available in every coax) and display it on the TV. (Just as we do every day on analog). To play back digital recordings from the DVD player, you set the converter box to channel 3 or 4 and it converts the digital signal to analog. This is all done with no other connections than mentioned. What do you think?

The simple connection suggested to you will prevent the desired operational flexibility you mentioned in your 2/11/2008 post. If your CECB is of the "analog pass through" type and it is set to the pass through "mode" that would "work" but the picture quality will be inferior to that found with the connection method mentioned in my earlier post. The simple RF connection method would thwart your plan to watch one channel while recording another channel.

A CECB is designed for the specific purpose of converting digital broadcast signals to an analog format for viewing digital broadcast channels on an analog-tuner TV. With the appropriate antenna and good line-of-sight conditions a CECB will recieve whatever digital broadcast channels are in your area, the same as is true with digital tuner equipped recorders or combo recorders.

Keep in mind the differences between "modulated" and "unmodulated" RF outputs:

1. VHS/DVD combo recorders have modulated RF outputs. A combo recorder will pass through a signal from its RF input to its RF output when the combo recorder is powered off, just like a VCR. When the combo recorder is powered on and is playing or recording a videotape or DVD the RF output is "modulated" with that signal, overriding the pass through signal. The combo recorder ALSO output the signals being produced within the combo recorder itself through the HDMI, component, S-Video and composite video outputs, along with a set of audio outputs, that provide better picture quality (in the order listed) when connected to the corresponding TV input.

2. A DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder's RF output is not modulated, and the RF output ONLY passes through the signal from the recorder's RF input. With a DVD recorder or HDD/DVD recorder the signals being produced/processed within the recorder itself are output ONLY through the HDMI, component, S-Video and composite video outputs, along with a set of audio outputs. These connections provide better picture quality (in the order listed) when connected to the corresponding TV input, than a RF connection that mingles video and audio in its signal.

A CECB may be inserted between the RF pass through from an unmodulated RF output of a DVD recorder allowing you to watch one digital channel on your TV while recording another channel on the DVD recorder. When a VHS/DVD combo recorder with a modulated RF output is connected to the input of a CECB you may lose the capability to watch one digital channel on your TV while recording another channel on the combo recorder unless, as Jeff suggested, the modulation may be turned off. See the combo recorder's owner's manual to determine if the "modulation" feature may be turned off.

The "modulated" RF output problem becomes moot with a Magnavox H2160H or Philips 3576 HDD/DVD recorder connected as mentioned in an earlier post.

As for my love of the "Zoom" feature . . . I must have a "zoom on the fly" feature.

Quoting one of my 2/14/2008 posts, "A $40 DVD player will have many more playback features than a DVD recorder. The primary purpose of DVD recorders is to record DVDs."

Last week I purchased a Sony DVP-NS57P DVD player, priced $38.00 at Walmart. This Sony is for use in my bedroom (my main recording center) so I don't have to put wear and tear on that room's Philips 3575 and Magnavox 2080 HDD/DVD recorders and two Panasonic DMR-EZ17 DVD recorders if I want to play a DVD. The Sony has the ZOOM feature.

Don't purchase a DVD recorder for it's playback features. Purchase a DVD player if you want playback features.

That's Sony is not a bad DVD player. I bought one for my kids room.
I've went through more $19 or $24.95 DVD players than I care to say. My Sonys just keep on going. In the kids room it replaced a $19 Harmon Tec black Friday special of 2 years ago. It probably only played a couple dozen DVDs:(

The connections that allow recording one digital program and watching another with a combo recorder, like the Toshiba 660, have the antenna connected to a splitter with one feed to the converter box that is, in turn, connected to the TV's threaded RF antenna in connector. The splitter's other feed would be connected to the 660's threaded RF antenna in connection and, depending upon what other inputs are available on your TV, connect the 660 to the TV with one of those inputs, say composite video (yellow RCA) and audio (white and red RCA), or component video (red, green blue RCA) and audio (white and red RCA), or S-Video (round with four pins) and audio (white and red RCA). Then use your TV remote to select among the inputs for viewing/setting up recordings and other purposes. The drawback when splitting the signal in this manner will be some loss of picture quality.

Since a combo recorder, like the Tosiba 660, modulates the RF output there will be limits to connectivity and functionality. Now, if you were to choose a DVD recorder without a VHS section the unmodulated RF output would allow connecting the antenna directly to the DVD recorder with the recorder's threaded RF output connected to TV's threaded RF input with no loss in signal quality or the analog pass through digital converter box could be connected to the DVD recorder's RF output and then to the TVs RF input. The DVD recorder outputs, component, S-Video or composite would be connected to the corresponding TV input. One good feature of the Philips 3576 and Magnavox 2160 HDD/DVD recorders is that these models amplify the unmodulated threaded RF output.


Thanks much DigaDo, but I still don't understand how to set-up the system. Both the Toshiba D-VR660 and the Magnavox ZV450MW8 have *Identical* pages in their respective manuals concerning hook up configuration, and they both say: "RF output is for tuner pass- through only, DVD playback through the RF is not possible". (whatever that means) What I don't quite understand is what to do with the RF? out on the Combo. It appears to be a "screw on" coaxial cable connection. The splitter has one "In" connection and two "out" connections right? One goes to the converter box "In" and then it's "out" coax goes to the TV. The other side of the splitter coax goes to the Combo's "In" but what about the "screw in" connection "out" on the recorder? I know you've said that the "red, yellow, and white cables come from the Combo's "out" slots and then go into the TV's Video, and Audio (L&R) connections but they are not "screw in" inputs are they?. There is nothing left to go to this screw in output is there? I'm afraid that they're going to find me standing in the middle of the freeway during rush hour reciting Scripture at the top of my lungs! HA!! You should be paid for putting up with us! And to make all of this even more confusing is the fact that I currently own and daily use a Toshiba DVD/VCR Combo (analog) that records multiple shows while I'm away, and allows me to watch one channel while viewing another and plays DVD movies (with zoom) all through one simple connection: Antenna to "In" on Combo and antenna "out" to TV! No red, yellow, or white connections. I was happy, and satisfied. But "NOOOOO!!" now this digital change over has made my entertainment life miserable. I might add that the signal from my roof antenna is already split three ways. One to the 54" TV in the living room (which is only used for DVD'S on weekends) and two other TV's in other rooms, one of which is a 34" JVC in my Den where I have all of this equipment that we've been discussing hooked up. Thanks again

Thanks much DigaDo, but I still don't understand how to set-up the system. Both the Toshiba D-VR660 and the Magnavox ZV450MW8 have *Identical* pages in their respective manuals concerning hook up configuration, and they both say: "RF output is for tuner pass- through only, DVD playback through the RF is not possible". (whatever that means) What I don't quite understand is what to do with the RF? out on the Combo. It appears to be a "screw on" coaxial cable connection. The splitter has one "In" connection and two "out" connections right? One goes to the converter box "In" and then it's "out" coax goes to the TV. The other side of the splitter coax goes to the Combo's "In" but what about the "screw in" connection "out" on the recorder? I know you've said that the "red, yellow, and white cables come from the Combo's "out" slots and then go into the TV's Video, and Audio (L&R) connections but they are not "screw in" inputs are they?. There is nothing left to go to this screw in output is there? I'm afraid that they're going to find me standing in the middle of the freeway during rush hour reciting Scripture at the top of my lungs! HA!! You should be paid for putting up with us! And to make all of this even more confusing is the fact that I currently own and daily use a Toshiba DVD/VCR Combo (analog) that records multiple shows while I'm away, and allows me to watch one channel while viewing another and plays DVD movies (with zoom) all through one simple connection: Antenna to "In" on Combo and antenna "out" to TV! No red, yellow, or white connections. I was happy, and satisfied. But "NOOOOO!!" now this digital change over has made my entertainment life miserable. I might add that the signal from my roof antenna is already split three ways. One to the 54" TV in the living room (which is only used for DVD'S on weekends) and two other TV's in other rooms, one of which is a 34" JVC in my Den where I have all of this equipment that we've been discussing hooked up. Thanks again

The idea is to maintain signal quality by avoiding a split in coax feeds, that's why I suggested the Philips 3576 or Magnavox 2160 with their amplified RF outputs.

A splitter may be used in two ways, an "input" may be used as an "output" and "outputs" may be used as "inputs."

RF coax cable and connectors are threaded with either a press-on or threaded connection.

Component, composite and audio connectors are of the press-on RCA type, color-coded according to purpose. Component video uses the adjacent red/blue/green set, composite video uses the yellow, and both component and composite require the use of the audio white/red set. S-Video is a somewhat larger round connection with pins/sockets, and also requires use of the audio white/red set. HDMI is a flat metal connector/jack that is not found on older TVs.

The owner's manuals you quote deal with the practical reality of an "unmodulated" (threaded) RF output, i.e., RF pass through ONLY with no DVD playback functionality. It appears that these combo recorders do not modulate the RF output, a different arrangement than that of other combo recorders with which I am familiar. That means that viewing a DVD, (and perhaps a videotape as well) is ONLY POSSIBLE through the non RF combo recorder outputs. (For clarification of videotape playback see that section of those user manuals.)

Those manuals indicate that the threaded RF output does not output digital signals. Combo recorders and DVD recorders with digital and analog tuners convert digital signals to analog signals and output those signals through composite and S-Video outputs. HD "ready" TVs (without a digital/HD tuner) will have digital and HD display capability through component and HDMI inputs. A CECB converts digital signals to analog signals and outputs those analog signals through composite and RF (and in a few models, S-Video).

My 2/16 and 2/17 posts describe different connection methods for various purposes. The pertinent connection method suggested in my 2/16 post (is) "the unmodulated RF output would allow connecting the antenna directly to the DVD recorder with the recorder's threaded RF output connected to the TV's threaded RF input with no loss in signal quality or the analog pass through digital converter box could be connected to the DVD recorder's RF output and then to the TVs RF input. The DVD recorder outputs, component, S-Video or composite would be connected to the corresponding TV input . . . Then use your TV remote to select among the inputs for viewing/setting up recordings and other purposes." My 2/17 post clarifies operational characteristics of modulated/unmodulated RF outputs.

The user manuals describe and illustrate different connection methods. Wajo also describes and illustrates different connection methods, found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298409&postcount=10

I recently received this from walmart.com. I had intended this as an upgrade to my very reliable Samsung DVD-V1000. I used the Samsung for timer recording and as a "hub" for my Xbox and Xbox 360. The Samsung allowed you to use the DVD player and to switch to other sources while recording to VHS. Also, the Samsung would switch channels to record. The Magnavox requires the unit to be in standby mode which makes it essentially useless. I'm considering returning this unit. Does any company make something like my old Samsung?

I neglected to mention that the entire reason for this was to upgrade to a digital tuner.

The Magnavox requires the unit to be in standby mode which makes it essentially useless. I'm considering returning this unit. Does any company make something like my old Samsung?

All the Panasonic EZ models (with the digital tuners) require you to have the unit OFF before a scheduled recording will start:mad: IMO this was a major step back from the ES/EH series of the past.

I bought 2 units at the same time from a WalMart. 1 works as advertised. The second would fast forward when I tried to rewind a tape from the stop mode. Also, when fast forwarding a tape while watching....skipping through the commercials, the sound would stay on, garbled of course. I tried e-mailing to customer service and they just directed me to the warranty dep't. No help. I brought the unit back and exchanged it for another. Found the same unit had a new model number, ZV457MG9. I imagine just the newer version. It works as expected. After seeing the faults on this and other forums it appears the Magnovox name is NOT what it used to be.

Magnovox name is NOT what it used to be.

Magnavox, like many other DVDR mfgs. has basically sold there name to Funai, the large Chinese electronics company. Funai does make a few decent models but most are very low end cheaper models. The Magnavox 2160 DVDR w/HDD comes to mind as one of there better offerings but it's quite hard to find and at $249 some people think it's not "cheap" enough. You kind of get what you pay for.

Magnavox, like many other DVDR mfgs. has basically sold there name to Funai, the large Chinese electronics company. Funai does make a few decent models but most are very low end cheaper models. The Magnavox 2160 DVDR w/HDD comes to mind as one of there better offerings but it's quite hard to find and at $249 some people think it's not "cheap" enough. You kind of get what you pay for.

Not to be a nit-picker, but Funai is a large Japanese company that actually manufactures many of its products in China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funai

Another Wikipedia contributor has disputed some information in that article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Funai#Disputed

Magnavox, like many other DVDR mfgs. has basically sold there name to Funai, the large Chinese electronics company.
A large JAPANESE electronics manufacturer with headquarters in Osaka, Japan. Funai produces more than 50% of ALL DVDRs sold in North America under various brand names besides Philips/Magnavox, such as Emerson, Sylvania, Durabrand and Toshiba. Funai operates (or operated at one time... see Disputed above) factories in Japan, Germany, and Mexico, plus China and Malaysia where Panasonic and other major DVDR brands are produced.

Does anyone know where I can get a manual for one of these? The Magnavox website is the most pathetic useless thing I have ever seen (http://www.magnavox.com/index.cfm?event=main&cat_id=2&subcat_id=1&product=155#). No specs, no features, absolutely nothing about it! Plus if you search the site for it, and it actually says no results found!

I only now found out about these at HeartlandAmerica and they too have no info on it (and theirs is a refurb).

Does anyone know if these will record a signal ok from a DCH series (digital only) STB?
Thanks.

Manuals are here. (http://www.funai-corp.com/support/manuals.aspx)

Manuals are here. (http://www.funai-corp.com/support/manuals.aspx)
Hey thanks. ;)

Magnavox ZV450MW8 , I've had this for awhile and recordes fine. I have a 4DTV system which is all digital now. Tried to record HBO SD to DVD , copyright proplems. Do I need another unit or is there a fix,,, Thanks you for reading...

Not sure what "4DTV system" means, but if you're recording from a line input your cheapest solution would be a "video filter" installed before the line input of your Maggy.
Here's a nice post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16588244&postcount=4698) giving links to some various filters. With a video filter not only will you be able to record from HBO etc. but you'll also be able to backup any of your commercial DVDs by just adding a DVD player to the mix.

4DTV is the big c-band dish reciever that I've used since 1983. All analog pay services have gone digital now. Thank you ,I will check the thread.

Hi , ordered a Grex. Do you know if it has a power supply with it. Wonder how long it will take to get here?? Anyone know.

Got it today, works good. End of story. Thanks to all.

Funai builds two or more "digital tuner" combo recorders that may seem similar in a number of ways. Two of these are the Sylvania ZV450SL8 (KMart, Sears and other stores) and the Magnavox ZV450MW8 (WalMart).

As to front panel design the Sylvania has high-tech styling while the Magnavox front panel is utilitarian, see the first two photos.

Neither remote rates highly as user-friendly. The Magnavox remote, see photo three, has small, tightly-grouped buttons but its button layout is more intuitive than that of the larger Sylvania remote, a photo of which is found in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16368756#post16368756

While interior views of these machines are similar, see photos four and five, there are functional/operational differences between these models.

The Magnavox may record to “-” or “+” discs. The Sylvania records only to “-” discs.

The Magnavox has the DVD 2.5 and 3 hour recording modes. The Sylvania does not.

The Magnavox has a functional “Make Recordings Compatible” feature that allows swapping unfinalized discs with some other Funai-built recorders. The Sylvania has “Make Recordings Compatible” listed in a menu but the Owner’s Manual mentions that this feature is not functional. (I verified this when using the Sylvania.)

ATSC/QAM performance differences between samples of these models are summarized in the following post (where there are links to more detailed descriptions):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16712001#post16712001

It just slays me that both the Philips and Magnavox DVDRs use Panasonic silicon while the Panasonics use LSI/Magnum silicon:confused:
Kind of shoots the explanation that the Panasonic silicon can't do ATSC, which is why (I've heard) Panasonic switched to LSI.
Also quite odd the Funai built Sylvania only records to - format, I could see only + but what's up with only -? Other than the digital tuner it sounds like a '01-'04 Panny, and like the '01-'04 Pannys I bet they drop to 1/2 D1 on speeds over 2hrs/disc.
Thanks for all the photos Digado:)

Do any of those you mention in your post record and playback in HD?

Funai builds two or more "digital tuner" combo recorders that may seem similar in a number of ways. Two of these are the Sylvania ZV450SL8 (KMart, Sears and other stores) and the Magnavox ZV450MW8 (WalMart).

As to front panel design the Sylvania has high-tech styling while the Magnavox front panel is utilitarian, see the first two photos.

Neither remote rates highly as user-friendly. The Magnavox remote, see photo three, has small, tightly-grouped buttons but its button layout is more intuitive than that of the larger Sylvania remote, a photo of which is found in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16368756#post16368756

While interior views of these machines are similar, see photos four and five, there are functional/operational differences between these models.

The Magnavox may record to “-” or “+” discs. The Sylvania records only to “-” discs.

The Magnavox has the DVD 2.5 hour recording speed. The Sylvania does not.

The Magnavox has a functional “Make Recordings Compatible” feature that allows swapping unfinalized discs with some other Funai-built recorders. The Sylvania has “Make Recordings Compatible” listed in a menu but the Owner’s Manual mentions that this feature is not functional. (I verified this when using the Sylvania.)

ATSC/QAM performance differences between samples of these models are summarized in the following post (where there are links to more detailed descriptions):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16712001#post16712001

Do any of those you mention in your post record and playback in HD?

No DVD recorders have those capabilities. See this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=599173

No DVD recorders have those capabilities. See this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=599173
Thanks. :(

My zv450mw8 has started giving "program not recordable" errors. I was able to record from these channels (FX and SPEED TV-both owned by Fox and STARZ) one day and then literally the next day I get this E45 error, which according to the manual means "Copy Prohibited Program".

I'm assuming that my cable provider (COMCAST) or the cable network is sending a copy protection signal as described in the manual [You cannot record copy-protected program using this unit. (Copy-protected signal is included in DVD-video or some satellite broadcasts.)]"

Other than recording to VHS, how can I avoid this error?

I bought this unit 15 months ago. I have not used it much. When I turned it on after not using it for about two moths everything on screen was tinted blue. I have changed cables, changed inputs and unplugged and replugged the unit but nothing seemed to help. And of course it is not out of warranty. Anybody have any suggestions what the problem may be and it it worth getting fixed or should I trash it and buy something new?

I bought this unit 15 months ago. I have not used it much. When I turned it on after not using it for about two moths everything on screen was tinted blue. I have changed cables, changed inputs and unplugged and replugged the unit but nothing seemed to help. And of course it is not out of warranty. Anybody have any suggestions what the problem may be and it it worth getting fixed or should I trash it and buy something new?

Perhaps your ZV450 has "lost" the channels. If your 450 is connected to an antenna or is connected directly to the cable company coax cable try a new channel scan.

If you have cable or satellite service were there any recent changes to these services that might be the source of the problem?

Is your 450 still connected to the same TV as it was before? Have you made changes to any settings in the Setup menu?

This unit was connected to both antenna and sat. After this blue tint showed up one of the things I did was disconnect the sat. In addition to the things I said in my previous post, I tried the channel rescan as you suggested and a factory reset. And rest all video settings. None of these have fixed the problem.

This unit was connected to both antenna and sat. After this blue tint showed up one of the things I did was disconnect the sat. In addition to the things I said in my previous post, I tried the channel rescan as you suggested and a factory reset. And rest all video settings. None of these have fixed the problem.

I'm assuming that the channel scan was run for "antenna" reception and the satellite connection was through a composite or S-Video input. If you are using a S-Video input you need to press Setup, General Setting, Video, select the front or rear input, enable "S-Video In" for that input, then press Setup to exit the menu.

Wajo's sticky thread, while mainly devoted to Philips and Magnavox HDD/DVD models, is a wealth of information of interest to owners of other Funai-built recorders. That thread is found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=940657

I’m now familiarizing myself with a second Magnavox ZV450MW8, this one an original version manufactured in March 2007 (the first month digital tuners were required to be installed in tuner-equipped devices intended for sale in the United States). This ZV450 is a refurbished model that the seller said was purchased at Big Lots. The seller should know, she’s a Big Lots employee.

Upon setup this ZV450MW8 presents a different-appearing series of menus than my later ZV450MW8A version (manufactured in August 2008). Instead of the “A” version’s 12 timer scheduled programs there are just 8 timer scheduled programs available with this original model. “Make Recording Compatible” is called “Replace Disc Menu,” who would have guessed?

This ZV450 is connected to two TVs, the first a Dynex LCD HD TV through S-Video and composite outputs by way of a Philips switch box; the second to a 13’ analog RCA CRT TV through composite outputs. This ZV450 is connected directly to the raw Comcast coax cable feed. The channel scan found the usual analog channels 2-31, plus the usual 115 or so digital sub-channels. I’ve also connected a Zenith DTT901 CECB to a ZV450 rear panel composite input for recording from a local broadcast sub-channel that Comcast doesn't carry. I’ve yet to record with this ZV450 but there are timer scheduled recordings set up from both sources.

The first photo shows the rear panel model name/manufacturing date and serial number stickers. The more recent “R” (refurbished) serial number is placed over the original serial number. The second photo shows the rear panel connectivity. Notice that the composite video and left audio outputs are split to provide VHS and DVD playback to the Dynex HD TV and the mono/analog RCA TV.

Here are five interior views of an original version of the Magnavox ZV450MW8 manufactured in March 2007:

My zv450mw8 has started giving "program not recordable" errors. I was able to record from these channels (FX and SPEED TV-both owned by Fox and STARZ) one day and then literally the next day I get this E45 error, which according to the manual means "Copy Prohibited Program".

I'm assuming that my cable provider (COMCAST) or the cable network is sending a copy protection signal as described in the manual [You cannot record copy-protected program using this unit. (Copy-protected signal is included in DVD-video or some satellite broadcasts.)]"

Other than recording to VHS, how can I avoid this error?
A friend of mine is having the same problem (big Formula 1 fan). The error mentions "copy once", and that is all they are trying to do. Comcast DTA, SPEEDTV (may be other channels), DVD+RW media. They are not trying to copy a copy or edit a copy, just get an original copy of the broadcast onto a DVD+RW. Does anybody know how to get around this error??? tks..

Does anybody know how to get around this error??? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1229053

Does anyone know if you can program the remote to use a different signal/code/frequency (whatever it's called) so that it doesn't conflict with another unit made by the same manufacturer?

I have another DVD recorder that I wanted to put in the same entertainment center but each remote operates both units at the same time :(

Does anyone know if you can program the remote to use a different signal/code/frequency (whatever it's called) so that it doesn't conflict with another unit made by the same manufacturer?

I have another DVD recorder that I wanted to put in the same entertainment center but each remote operates both units at the same time :(

These Magnavox recorders all respond to other Magnavox remotes. The codes can not be reset like Panasonic recorders and remotes.

I currently have three Magnavox recorders set up for daily use, two in one room. My practice is to isolate the Magnavox recorders from each other.

Some folks report taping a flap in front of the IR sensor to block signals.

A less satisfactory practice is to manually turn on one Magnavox and then press the remote's power button that turns the first Magnavox off and the second Magnavox on. This doesn't work so well as certain other remote buttons power on a Magnavox that is powered off.

Have the same thing going on. I just put something in front of the "eye". With 3 recorders and 2 players used for dubbing all using the same code it keeps me busy.

I have a ZV450MW8 that I've had for several years (unused for the last couple of years). I got it out a couple of days ago to try to dub some VCs to DVDs. However, I can't get it to work at all. Well, that's not quite true. It powers on, cycles (loads) the VC (if there's one present) and then attempts to read the DVD (if there's one present), blinks an E1 and then a couple of seconds later, powers down.

If I have neither a VC or DVD loaded, I still see the E1 and then it powers down. When connected to a TV, if I press the Setup button on the remote control, the setup menu shows on the TV - very briefly - and then the power off occurs before I can even select anything in Setup.

Since this thing was unplugged all this time, I'm pretty sure no battery or capacitor charge has held any settings in memory, but is there a way I can initialize the setting back to factory default, just to insure there aren't any random bits turned on? I haven't been able to find anything in the manual that describes resetting to factory defaults. Do any of you know how to do that?

I haven't removed any covers yet, but I'm not adverse to digging in further if I have to. Of course if I had a block diagram, schematic or some guidance as to what to look for (40 plus years of computer troubleshooting, repair, and engineering - preceded by 8 years of electrical/electronic support of USN aircraft equip me fairly well doing that), that would make things as lot easier (possibly :) ) . Any ideas? Has anyone else encountered these symptoms?

Thanks in advance,
Doug