how many months of prodution will it take for dealers to be able to stock a few for immediate purchase?

Thanks

Three..) Ordered around noon (CST) on the 20th.

I'm happy to see you guys finally get your projectors.

But now I'm really frustrated. According to my notes, my phone call with Jason took place at 11:30 am Eastern time on Monday, November 20th, and I didn't get a call or email today saying I'd get a shipment.

So ordering the morning of the 20th is no guarantee of getting a projector.

how many months of prodution will it take for dealers to be able to stock a few for immediate purchase?

Thanks

Who knows? With the current production, they'll never catch up. It will be another two months as a minimum.

How many RS1's are actually out there? I believe there was 100 in the 1st batch and about 300-400 in the second batch? Does this mean JVC is only producing about 5 of these a day? I'm on the pre-buy list but I gotta tell ya, I expected to get this in the middle of winter when we would watch it practically every night. As it looks now, I'll be getting it in the middle of summer when we don't use the theater as much. I am now considering passing on this to see what comes out this winter. By the way, I hold no ill will towards AVS for this, if and when I do buy it will be through AVS. If it's not the RS1, it will be an in-stock item, no more prebuys more me.

I'm happy to see you guys finally get your projectors.

But now I'm really frustrated. According to my notes, my phone call with Jason took place at 11:30 am Eastern time on Monday, November 20th, and I didn't get a call or email today saying I'd get a shipment.

So ordering the morning of the 20th is no guarantee of getting a projector.


Well, I can't get down to the minute, I asked Jason to send me an email at the time of the phone order, and he followed up later with an "around" noon email, although I guess it was probably EST, not CST. I suppose I need to be more careful in my qualification so no one gets upset.

I ordered mine on May 1st and got it on May 3rd but I didn't get the pre buy price.

I ordered mine on May 1st and got it on May 3rd but I didn't get the pre buy price.

Not from AVS, I assume. Right?

Lets call this "The RS1 trickle"

I can't believe that the demand could be so huge for these machines out in the real world. No one will know anyone that has one. Maybe the demo rooms are that impressive and customers are getting on lists at stick and brick establishments. But it sure would seem to me that the bulk of buyers/demand would be among the folks here and on similar forums who are early adopters or close confidants of opinion leaders. Maybe I would be surprised by how many that is, but my guess is that the production capacity dedicated to this particular pj is just plain old small. Sure that's the conservative way to go, don't create capacity you aren't certain you can use. There are so many pj's out there, they probably never know what is going to sell in the "usual" quantities and what is going to be a hit, so they don't prepare for the blockbuster right off the bat.

One reason suppliers like preorders is the ability to plan production.

It is rather surprising that JVC could not/did not ramp up for the volume since they have known how many initial orders there were for many months.

Not very nimble fo a large company.

But if they go by pre-orders, how many of those making those pre-orders ordered more of these than they would of any competitive product? The dealers didn't know that THIS would be the seller and the others would just sit, relatively speaking, so they probably ordered "the usual" and got surpised by the demand like everyone else, wishing they had known to order more.

The dealers didn't know that THIS would be the seller

I am fairly certain at least AVS knew, they had a prebuy list. All they had to do is count and order them. That was done months ago. JVC knew months ago.

While they may have been "surprised" by the demand, that does not negate the fact they told JVC how many they needed months ago just to fill prebuys. JVC dropped the ball. If this wasn't such a great projector, JVC would lose lots of sales by not ramping up production. They may still lose thse sales.

When a manufacturer is trying to get the "newest and bestest" to market in an industry that is advancing as quickly as this one is, they need to be prepared. If orders run out much longer folks will cancel to get the next "newest and bestest".

The issue would be different if all the preorders were filled and they were trying to keep up with an UNEXPECTED demand, but that is not the case here.

I see your point, but that lends credence to my conspiracy theory that JVC is shipping to others before they fully satisfy AVS. Maybe they figure they have the prebuy guys tied up because they lose a great deal if they cut and run. (Keep both and flip it is my advice for this market). So they start servicing the new sales they can make first.

Im guessing JVC is playing a balancing act dividing its inventory to keep everyone happy. For us its a two edge sword. Its great to have the support from our customers ( as always, thank you ) yet frustrating for all of us to find we are at the manufactures mercy with limited delivery while we see new orders being filled before back orders are taken care of. Sadly we share in every ones frustration.

So is this the time to close this thread and start a new one "RS1 4th wave"? Since the 3rd wave (more like a ripple) came and gone and still some pre-buys not filled yet :( .
What I find extremely bad (and is beginning to stink) is the fact that back in November-February while the expectation was at its peek, we had at least 1 JVC person posting here regularly with updates, taking questions, answering them...pumping up the hype. I can't blame them for doing that, but I am blaming them for hiding/dissapearing now. Besides 1-2 posts, that really didn't say/answer much, the main poster from JVC would most likely seen on milk cartons than posting here.

Alan, Jason, Tryg, Richard (and everyone else from AVS I forget), no one is really blaming you guys. We all know you are not to be blamed here, but we are all (those of us still waiting after 6 months) frustrated and dissapointed (towards JVC) by all the delays.

And JVC, this may be pointless since as I said they have all but dissapeared from the forum, what started out as something extremely positive and made me consider getting some other JVC products (I want to upgrade my TV) has now turned to something extremely sour and has most definitely changed my mind in supporting your company. And while I will try and show some more patience in waiting for the RS1 a LITTLE longer (only because of AVS and not you), there will most definitely be no more JVC products purchaced by me or recommend to any of my friends.

Phew...done with my rant...sorry to the rest of you, but I needed to vent a little.

I was in a prebuy at AVS for a Sony Pearl, and all really went well.

I am in a prebuy at AVS for a JVC RS-1, and...

Doug

JVC seems to be hosing AVS. But what can a guy do?

I see your point, but that lends credence to my conspiracy theory that JVC is shipping to others before they fully satisfy AVS. Maybe they figure they have the prebuy guys tied up because they lose a great deal if they cut and run. (Keep both and flip it is my advice for this market). So they start servicing the new sales they can make first.

Seems to me, too, thats what they have been doing all along. Not to mention saving up some pent up demand, from early adopters and people more prone to spending a little more for their PJs, for the RS2.

People should buy a SONY Pearl or a BenQ, they are Damn good, $1500 less, one even has vertical stretch (save another $2000 on a projector), and its available NOW.

From salesmen I hear that here in Europe an order for a HD1 is usually delivered within 2 weeks.

For the statistics, as not too many people are posting these numbers: I received my (European) HD1 yesterday, box unopened, firmware 61 - 0.19.

Just curious, what FW number do you US guys that just received your PJ's have? Hoping it might be newer than 61 - 0.19

Phil_Johnson
RonC
mehdi

Like I said in one of my earlier posts...I think it's flat ridiculous that new HD1 orders are getting filled within weeks while several-months-old RS1 orders go unfilled. I'm wondering now if it's just that JVC's commercial/pro division are the one's dropping the ball as the HD1 is handled on the consumer side and it appears they are much better at getting the product where it needs to go.

I also remember reading that the HD1 would be built in much larger quantities than the RS1, but again I'd have thought JVC would/could re-prioritize some of the production in order to "catch-up" the rs1 backlog...guess not.

I also echoed similar questions/concerns back a few months ago about JVC's sudden withdrawl from the forums. :confused:

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