In my quest to find a more inexpensive blending solution i cam across a company called tvone. They make broadcast quality video equpment. they have a few processor/scalers that have a blending feature. one has only one output so i assume you would need 2 of these:

http://www.tvone.com/c2-2300-2350-main.shtml

the other is the more expensive model that has 2 dvi outs and seperat scalers i assume:

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-main.shtml

has anyone treid either of these or maybe know more about them?

Tim this could be a less expensive alternative tot he analog way unit, you should look into it. You most likley make more on the install than the resale of the units. this lower priced product could get o more buisness!!!!!:-D


Athanasios

ps : thanks for the PM earlier today i always have you in mind as the guy to go for this stuff.

has anyone treid either of these or maybe know more about them?The tvone boxes were mentioned in the blending threads last year. Start here and read the next 10-20 posts...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7905661&&#post7905661

Wow... BStock prices aren't bad on those puppies! Makes me itchy... I wonder... :)

Hey guys, After looking into the TVONE scaler i decided to send an e-mail:

I am looking for a blending solution for two crt projectors. i want
to be able to have a single source to be split onto two crt
projectors each displaying about 60% or so of the image, that is one
crt does the left half the other does the right half.
some of the questions i have are do yuo have a processor that will do
this or a combination? example the C2-7100 series or two of the
C2-2350's? any info on this would be greatly apreciated.


here is thier responce:

Athanasios,
You are correct one C2-7100 or two C2-2350s will do this job. Here are the
list of units we have that will perform edge blending:
C2-7100
C2-7110
C2-7200
C2-7210
C2-7260
C2-2350
C2-1350
C2-2250
C2-1250
The 1000 and 2000 series are single channel units so you would need two for
two projectors.


Some of those units are as low as 1200 but there analog only no dvi inputs and you'd need two for each projector. but its a start.

they have b stock units of the C2-7100 for 4740 on there site.....not bad.....i Might max out a credit card now !!!!!!!! someone stop me !!!!!

Oh i also found there set up guide for the blend:

http://tvone.crmdesk.com/image.aspx?mode=file&id=166

Athanasios


love this new crt addiction i have

here is another link.

http://tvone.crmdesk.com/answer.aspx?id=176&back=search.aspx%3Fproduct%3d0%26query%3dedge%2bblending%26a rea%3d0%26criteria%3d0%26sort%3d0%26start%3d0

I'm tempted... very tempted. Imagine this bad boy combined with 2 8500s using 144s and MP mods. I bet it would be an outstanding picture, and at 1/4 of the cost of a similar G90/9500 setup. Assuming of course the blender works :).

Reading through the FAQ, this makes me nervous...

"The maximum DVI-D input is 1280x1024 @ 60Hz (pixel clock of 108MHz). If you feed a higher resolution into the unit, it will not display the image correctly. Please note that EDID will normally 'tell' the computer what the maximum resolution of the scaler is, so it's best not to try and force an output higher than the receiver can cope with.

If you feed an analog input into the connector (DVI-A) then the unit will sub-sample it and work fine - but with a loss of resolution."

But then later in the edge blending guide they specifically discuss 1920x1080i. So I admit I am confused.

More confusing... it appears that if you feed it RGBHV it will handle anything up to 2048x2048. I'm still not clear on the output range though. Trying to get clarification. Most people with blends are running 1440x1200, right?

More confusing... it appears that if you feed it RGBHV it will handle anything up to 2048x2048. I'm still not clear on the output range though. Trying to get clarification. Most people with blends are running 1440x1200, right?

Paul - the Blendzilla accepts whatever resolution you can squeeze in a DVI-D single-channel link with a horizontal limit of 1920 pixels per line. This basically means that it can take things like 1920x1080p@72 if you fiddle around with reduced blanking timings (iirc).

With regards to output, it has a table of fixed resolutions so you either do 1024, 1050 or 1200 horizontal lines. I think I'll go for 1050. 1200 would be nice but I don't want to punish the machines too much, in addition for 2.40:1 content you only have around 800 lines of useful information to display e.g. in a HD-DVD movie (i.e. removing black bars) so no loss of information either.

If there's any EE/CS engineer out there (I am, but I am not very motivated given that I have the Blendzilla), this FPGA card has DVI-D in and out:

http://www.alearep.com/

Two of these would cost $800 and would do edge-blending in the digital domain (DVI-D) and would be stand-alone (a PC would NOT be needed).

Madpoet you said;
More confusing... it appears that if you feed it RGBHV it will handle anything up to 2048x2048. I'm still not clear on the output range though. Trying to get clarification. Most people with blends are running 1440x1200, right?

but the 1440x1200 is split betweent 2 projectors is it not? an dthats for the 2.35:1 scrren size if i'm not mistaken. so that would be 720x600 for each projector. Oh i see but that would be the output to each projector not the input! let me go look at the specs on the site again.

ok I found this sec sheet for the C2-7000 series, it says any hd input and lists them all the even though the computer dvi resolution is ony at 1280x1024;

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-specifications.shtml

it looks like the c2-2000 series has more range in the computer dvi input, how ever you would need 2 units to get the job done and this would mean some typ of signal splitter along the way to the C2-250's.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-2200-2250-specifications.shtml

I think it is a great alternative to a $ 16,000 Analog way unit.Also viscount has the C2-7100 for alot cheaper than directly from tvone. and if yu need more inputs they have a input add on selectors of all types. so you system can grow and want to blend three crt's just ad a C2-2000 series onto your system ! ok i'm getting carried awy! lol
wait think of it ! a 4crt 8500 blend! one for each quarter of the screen for the same price as a blendzilla!: lets see now
4 C2 2500 at about 2500=10,000
4 marquee 8xxx around 1200 each=4800
tvone 1x4 hdmi splitter=350
tottal system cost = 15,150 bucks! woohooo!Ok i think i officially lost it!


Back to reality, Which way would be the best route? a single C2-7100 or a dual C2-2000 series. this looks very promissing. i might send an e-mail out asking for one of the b-stock models as a loaner/test unit once i get my Marquee refrence 8 shipped.

the nice thing is it has gamma controll to get the brightness in the blend zone smooth. this seams to be the problem with pc based blend systems is it not?

but i havnt watched that thread for some time.

Athansios

Love this new CRT addiction i have!!! But its making me broke !

I emailed and asked about their return poilcy and specifically about the blending functionality.

I also just sent an e-mail asking if they would send out a loaner unit for review, i just got into this CRT hobby and love it! so cross your fingers on a loaner unit! if they let me even have a b-stock unit or two of the C2-2250 units i might need help setting it up! anyone in the western new yokr are intrsted?

Athanasios

Well I'm in CT... maybe we could figure it out between us ;)

Sounds great!hope i get a positive responce!


Athanasios

hi guys ,

i just saw that someone mentioned viscount and their good prices and i thought that you would find it interesting the price they quated me on may 30th of last year for di-ventix dvx 8022 . it was 12.700 usd for brand new unit ,

grega

still to high, the C2-7100 is 5400 from them and the sdi version with ins and outs is 7200.

Athanasios

I am working from memory that about a year ago I talked to them about their products and spoke to one of their aplication engineers. If I recall correctly I had two issues with it. First, probably because of bandwidth limitations, its de-interlacing is sub-standard and actually only produces 540 fields and there is no apparent method of syncronizing the two required channels. I suggest calling them before you spend your hard earned $$$.

they have made upgrades since then , and their specs on the de-interlacer says Pixel-level Motion Adaptive, not sure what that is. It looks like it can handel it all. In the pas tthe HDTV signals were not supported.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-specifications.shtml

check this out again.

Athanasios

Well Evryone! Are you ready!!!!!!! Just got this reply from TVONE:

Athansios,
We could arrange a demo unit if you would like to evaluate a unit/s. Just
let me know what you would like and when. I would definitely like to
explore the use of our scalers in this type of application.

Where are you located?

Let me know if you need anything else.

Dan Gibson
Vice President
TV One

Wooohoooo!!! all i have to do now is give him a time frame for the review. I am waiting for my Refrence 8 to get shiped from AZ . AVS Member 316, the seller , said he should ship it on monday. so i think i'll ask for it around then. he asked whick unit/s i would like so i might try to get two of the C2-2350's and the C2-7200. If i have trouble with the set up , Maybe Madpoet can help me out. He did say in an e-mail before this that they would set up a demo for me, so i'm not sure if the review unit means that they will come out to do the demo or if they will just send the units, i think the latter from this last e-mail. i'm Excited to maybe find an alternative way of blending, Tim from E-tech not trying to step on your toes !!! Maybe you could give me some pointers if i get stuck with the set up? This could be another Product for you to sell!!! This might be the Blendzzilla Jr. ? did you trade mark the name ? lol

well i'll reply to Mr Gibson at TVone now and see what he says.

Athansios

Love this new crt Addiction i have

Wow, that's better than what they would let me do :). They said I could buy it and then return it within 2 weeks for a full refund if I wanted, which I thought wasn't a terrible deal. Let me know if I can help.

I just sent Dan Gibson a Gratuitous e-mail thanking him and letting him know which units i may have for the review. Once i get the Marquee refrence 8 i'll pull my modded 8000 down for the ceiling and set them up for convergence. i will have to figure out the distance from the screen to maximize the use of the phosphor area, Tim if you read this any suggestions ? My screen is a 159 inch diagnol 16:9 aspect ratio thats 12 foot wide !!!!! now i'm wishing i had a 2.35:1 aspect ratio screen ! well i do watch alot of 16:9 especialy high def from my dish network reciever.

wish us luck!

Athanasios

Love this new CRT addiction i have !

Ohh, gonna keep an eye on this thread. But see if you can get them for cheap if they work out

Athanasios, I've got an assortment of Marquees we can test it with ;)

Yonexsp. so far the best price i've seen is from Viscount video. check out thier web site.

Athanasios

Latest E-Mail from TVONE:

Athanasios,
When you receive your projector and are ready to test the edge blending let
me know. I am sure we can arrange a demo unit, but may require a credit
card to be kept on file until the unit returns.

For you SDI input would you need it to be HD-SDI or is SD-SDI fine. The
reason I ask is because the C2-2255 only accepst SD.

Let me know where you live, I may have local rep that can bring the unit by.

Dan Gibson
Vice President

I am recieving a SDI dvd player form Gary Murell, so i will be able to test the SD-SDI but dont have a HD-SDI unit. Anyone willing to let us Borrow a unit to help in a full evaluation of the units.

Athansios

Love this CRT Addiction

Latest E-Mail from TVONE:

Athanasios,
When you receive your projector and are ready to test the edge blending let
me know. I am sure we can arrange a demo unit, but may require a credit
card to be kept on file until the unit returns.

For you SDI input would you need it to be HD-SDI or is SD-SDI fine. The
reason I ask is because the C2-2255 only accepst SD.

Let me know where you live, I may have local rep that can bring the unit by.

Dan Gibson
Vice President

I am recieving a SDI dvd player form Gary Murell, so i will be able to test the SD-SDI but dont have a HD-SDI unit. Anyone willing to let us Borrow a unit to help in a full evaluation of the units.

Athansios

Love this CRT Addiction

Looking foward to your review!!!!

Cliff

Cliffy, i am also looking forward to see what these units are capable of. I have to admit i'm a newbie here but think i have learned my way around the set up of the marquee pretty well. my screen is way way to big for my slightly updated 8000 but i think it looks really good especially after Craig Rounds did his calibration.That is why i'm looking into blending and the fact i did an impulse buy on a Marquee refrence 8!!!! In a blend on a 12 foot wide screen , what is the throw distance going to be to get full use of the tube face? is there a formula or just trail and error.

Athansios

Cliffy, i am also looking forward to see what these units are capable of. I have to admit i'm a newbie here but think i have learned my way around the set up of the marquee pretty well. my screen is way way to big for my slightly updated 8000 but i think it looks really good especially after Craig Rounds did his calibration.That is why i'm looking into blending and the fact i did an impuls buy on a Marquee refrence 8!!!! In a blend on a 12 foot wide screen , what is the throw distance going to be to get full use of the tube face? is there a formula or just trail and error.

Athansios

There is a formula depending on your aspect ratio.

For blending, I do NOT advise running 1:78 (16:9). You wont be able to use the entire tube face at this aspect ratio.

The only way you will be able to fill the tube face is if you run 2:40 or 2:35 aspect.

The projectors will be roughly 35% closer to the screen than your current setup.

Cliff

ok i guess i'll just roll up the screen to a 2.35 ratio then or mask the top since i'll be bring my PJ down for the review. This is going to be fun and alot of work !


Athanasios

In a blend on a 12 foot wide screen , what is the throw distance going to be to get full use of the tube face? is there a formula or just trail and error.The formulas will give you an idea, but the actual measurements will be more useful...

Each projector will be covering 60% of the screen width. 12' x 0.6 = 7.2'.

So maximize the raster on the tube faces and push each projector forward until you get 7.2' wide images... it'll be much closer than you're used to with a single projector throwing a 10'-12' screen, so make sure you plan for the keystoning that they'll have from the ceiling while being so close to the screen.

ok i guess i'll just roll up the screen to a 2.35 ratio then or mask the top since i'll be bring my PJ down for the review. This is going to be fun and alot of work !


Athanasios

Remember as well, projector focus is CRITICAL and I mean CRITICAL for blending. Your using the edge of your picture on each projector in the CENTER of the screen. :)

Cliff

Like I said, I'm willing to help. Given their return policy I was seriously considering buying one and trying it anyway :)

I think this company has the engineering power & prowess to get this done but I do not see the magic words "blendzone" & "overlay" anywhere in current lit from these guys.
What am I missing??

The formulas will give you an idea, but the actual measurements will be more useful...

Each projector will be covering 60% of the screen width. 12' x 0.6 = 7.2'.

So maximize the raster on the tube faces and push each projector forward until you get 7.2' wide images... it'll be much closer than you're used to with a single projector throwing a 10'-12' screen, so make sure you plan for the keystoning that they'll have from the ceiling while being so close to the screen.


Ok, Now what do you specificaly mean about the keystoning? i know about the adjustment in the menu but is there some physical placment i need to think about? and for this review i am going to do it from the floor/table top position. i had a bitch of a time getting one PJ up on my Ceiling and not willing to do this again unless i know for sure i am going to purchase one of the loaner units.

madpoet, i will definaly appreciate your help. We'll get in touch once i arrange evrything and have the unit here . i'm sure TVONE will give me adequate time for the set up and extensive review of the system. Especially if they let me review the single and dual unit setups, i'd really like to do both. The dual set up looks like it may be less expensive even if you have to add a source splitter into the cost. Another thing i like about these units are the add on source selectors that connect to the unit through a control cable, just wondering how well the they send the signal to the unit, ie: and lose of signal , added niose , ect.

Damon; if you look at the quick set up guide for the C2-7200, they mention the blend zone, overlay and even gamma correction. this guide is what got me realy excited about this product it looks like it has everything needed for a side by side blend and even a quad blend that would be insane!!!!!but you would need a super huge screen for that . I assume if you tried it with the current 12 foot size the PJ would be too close to the screen where thay would block the view. I could be wrong.

here is the link to the quick set up guide

http://tvone.crmdesk.com/image.aspx?mode=file&id=166

thanks Everyone

Athansios

love this new CRT addiction i have !!!!!

Ok, Now what do you specificaly mean about the keystoning? i know about the adjustment in the menu but is there some physical placment i need to think about? and for this review i am going to do it from the floor/table top position. As the projector moves closer to the screen, the angle (theta) increases.

This means you'll need to use more keystoning adjustment to compensate for it... this leads to a trapezoid shape on the tubes and decreases the area used on the phosphor.

http://crtforum.com/img/install-angle.gif

Plus, keystone correction is an electronic adjustment... the less that you use electronic compensation, the better off you'll be... less drift.

Your table mount setup will be ideal for testing... as good as the rear projection setup shown here.

http://crtforum.com/img/install-rear.gif

With a single projector, you'll find that the throw distance always ends up at the ideal sitting position. So if you floor/table mount, you lose the best seat in the house. Plus the disadvantages of noise from sitting right next to the projector. So I always recommend ceiling mounting... it gets the lenses and wires away from kids hands, too.

But with a blend, since the projectors end up in front of the seats, a table enclosure might work fine... and double as a hush box. But you'd want it as tall as possible to minimize the keystoning, but low enough not to obstruct the view from the seats.

Cliffy, i am also looking forward to see what these units are capable of. I have to admit i'm a newbie here but think i have learned my way around the set up of the marquee pretty well. my screen is way way to big for my slightly updated 8000 but i think it looks really good especially after Craig Rounds did his calibration.That is why i'm looking into blending and the fact i did an impulse buy on a Marquee refrence 8!!!! In a blend on a 12 foot wide screen , what is the throw distance going to be to get full use of the tube face? is there a formula or just trail and error.
Athansios
Does this imply that you're going to set up a blend with a "slightly upgraded 8000" and a "Marquee refrence 8 (sic)"?

I want to use two Identical Projectors but Right now this is all i have, Madpoet offered the use of any of his 8xxx so i'm sure we can come up with two like projectors. Also in reading the Literature on this equipment it looks as if they have enough individual control of the image to compensate for irregularties in using different projectors, and that will be the fun of this review/expirament, to see the capabilities of these units under different verrying setups. I know that two identical PJ's should be used but this is really just to see if these units can do the basic blend first off. Then we will see how well it does in different areas.
It would be great once i start if everyone gives me suggestions on what to look for and what other functions it can do or you may wish to see it do.

so yes for now i will be using two similar but different PJ's

A marquee 8000 with a 8110 vim and neck boards form a 8500, the tubes are 9's all the way across. i havnt gotten the Marquee refrence 8 but it was the one for sale on the market place on this Forum
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=828560


Athansios

As an FYI, there is no such thing as a "Marquee Reference 8". There is a "PSI Reference 8".

I have an 8110, 8500 Ultra, and 9500LC we can use, as well as 02 and 03 VIMs. so I think we'll come up with a combo that we can consider fairly equivelent.

As an FYI, there is no such thing as a "Marquee Reference 8". There is a "PSI Reference 8".


thank you for the correction, i was just going by the name in the for sale post bye 316.


Thanks Madpoet, i think the two pj,s i have will do fine.


Athanasios

What the heck is the difference between a Ref 8 and a standard 8500?

What the heck is the difference between a Ref 8 and a standard 8500?

PSI sold a "Reference 9" and "Reference 8" projector. Basically, these were Marquees with vidikron style cases and mods they performed (the ref 8 I believe could be any 8xxx PJ as its base not just an 8500). In their "off the record" comments, these were "Mike Parker-like mods" that they had developed and done to them. I know of no comparison between the PSI mods and Mike's so do not know if they do indeed improve the performance as much as I've seen Mike's V2 mods do for a Marquee.

Given PSI's lack of honesty both under Eric and under Steve (if Steve was not just a front for Eric), I would not be surprised if their "mods" were not just cap upgrades. :)

Dave

I wonder if there the same Modded marquees as GTT's HT Refrence 9:

http://www.gttgroup.com/HTReference9.htm

When i get the Refrence 8 in i'll look it over and see what difrences i can find in the VIM , VNB's, and LVPS. I'll try to take some close up pics so those who know what was done to the MP boards can compare.

And who are Eric and Steve? where they former techs at electrohome?

Athansios

Love this new CRT addiction i have !

Heh, you really don't want to get into the histoy of PSI :) I was a newcommer here for a lot of that... messy :)

More news on future blending scalers, late last year when i began getting into crt and read about blending i was already using a lumagen scaler for my mitsubishi rptv and my newly acuired Marquee 8000. I came acros a post on the new lumagen Radiance , it had two outputs so i posed the question of a future option to add blending to the unit before they ship it to production. i got a responce that they would look into it but realy arent promissing anything. well i havnt looked there in awhile but since the development with the TVone products i thouhgt i'd go back and post the question one more time...well some one form lumagen responded with this,,,,,


The Radiance has two digital outputs which could be used for a blended output. A blended output is on our list of possible future enhancements for the product. But right now we need to finish the product development. In the future we might consider adding some new features such as a blended output.

We just want you to know that we are taking your suggestion seriously but no decision will be made on this possible feature until after the product is in full production.

Best regards,
Randy Freeman

so once again a possiblity.....

Athanasios

I wonder if there the same Modded marquees as GTT's HT Refrence 9:

http://www.gttgroup.com/HTReference9.htm


They are most definately NOT the GTT PJs.

And who are Eric and Steve? where they former techs at electrohome?

Eric was first owner of Projection Systems Inc (PSI). They also had the URL www.crtcinema.com. Eric supposedly sold to Steve and it moved from WI to MN.

Basically many of us would say PSI were the con-artist of the CRT PJ world.

EDIT: BTW, the current owner of the URL www.crtcinema.com bought it from PSI (I think on an eBay auction) and is in no way associated with PSI.

Dave

Dave

As an FYI, there is no such thing as a "Marquee Reference 8". There is a "PSI Reference 8".

Dave, is the PSI the same as Visual Dynamics or is this different again? My 8500 was actually a refurbished Visual Dynamics Ref 8 projector, has a fibreglass case just like the GTT complete with board mods.

I'm a dealer for tvone here in so fl and have a 7200 which I use with my m9500 if anyone wants a demo or price let me know

Get another 9500 and test the blend for us! :)

I have another 9500, just need some help

I'm a dealer for tvone here in so fl and have a 7200 which I use with my m9500 if anyone wants a demo or price let me know


I hope this doesnt mess up my chances for a review unit ! :mad: ;)


Athanasios

Yonexsp. so far the best price i've seen is from Viscount video. check out thier web site.

Athanasios


I looked Ouch!! way to rich for my blood. But I'll still be very interested to see how you get on. Good luck :)

Dave, is the PSI the same as Visual Dynamics or is this different again? My 8500 was actually a refurbished Visual Dynamics Ref 8 projector, has a fibreglass case just like the GTT complete with board mods.

Sorry, I should be clear that several dealers have modded Marquees and called them "Reference" PJs. The one in particular we were talking about was a PSI one, hence my "PSI Reference 8". Visual Dynamics is different yet again. For some reason, the name of the owner of Visual Dynamics is escaping me, if it comes to mind, I'll let you know. Visual Dynamics was/is a high end Home Theater dealer like GTT. PSI was more mainstream, pretty much aquiring PJs the way Curt does and selling them (although they didn't really check them out before selling them the way Curt does).

Dave

I Just recieved an e-mail from Dan Gibson at TVone. He is trying to round up some loaner units for me. He is out on presentation shows for the products which are the units they lend out for demos, as soon as he can get one he'll send it out and most likly will send out two new c2-2255 units.

I'll keep you updated, also my refference 8 is being shiped out today.

Athanasios

Just recieved an e-mail from Steve Tullo at tvone. He rounded up one C2-7200 and One C2-2255. I guess he couldnt get another C2-2255 for the tests, but i believe i can use one output of the C2-7200 and the C2-2255 together. I was hoping to be able to use an sdi dvd player with these units but am still waiting for Gary to send me a unit i ordered a few weeks back, he must be busy ! ;) Gary you there? lol :D Also i just picked up me Refrence 8 that I bought from 316. This will be the other PJ along with my 8000. I know there not identical but for the general purpose of just seeing if these tvones blend well, I think they will do. I am not sure how long they will let me keep the units for, i hope at least a few weeks so i can fully look over the features and abilities and also teach myself about blending from a hands on approach. Hopefully if i need help others who9 have blending experience can help me out. And if there are any Marquee users in the area who want to help out on this endeavor send me a pm it be great to have a helping hand. I have to bring down my just calibrated marquee and align both PJ's. Also i think i might need a source splitter to send the signal to each unit for testing the C2-2255 and C2-7200 together. Now these are not hdcp compliant so this could be another problem. i was hoping moome's dvi/dvi unit would be ready for this but it looks like it wont happen in time. So looks like i'll have to use component outs at least from my LG Bh100. the dish box works with my lumagen so i think i'll get it to work with the TVones.

I have a 12 foot 16:9 screen, now, i do watch alot of 16:9 material and am still debating over which aspect ratio to go with 16:9 or roll the screen up into the case to a 2.35:1 screen size wich every blender tells me is the best for maximizing phosphor useage.

Athanasios

the c2 7200 has 2 outputs completly independent so you should be able to do the 2 projectors with it by itself

the c2 7200 has 2 outputs completly independent so you should be able to do the 2 projectors with it by itself


Yes i know this. What I wanted was to get two C2-2255 for blending to see how the less expensive single output scalers do the blend. They were only able to get me one, so now i have to use one of the outputs of the C2-7200 and the C2-2255 together instead of two C2-2255's. I wanted to test both ways of blenind, with the C2-7200 and with two C2-2255's, however i think using the other unit as a single output will give me the same results.

Athansios

C2-7200 has been on test here for 17 hours....................

Im working my way through all its options, I have watched one film in blended format on 8 foot wide screen with a pair of Barco 1209s .

I will try and do a full report next weekend.

Corpse Bride I watched - All I can say is the detail was incredible

I also have drawn a quick test patttern that can be uploaded to the C2-7200 so i will post that, it took me about 2 hours of those 17 to make that, various versions till I got one I was "fairly" happy with - I still need to do another revision of it.

Each PJ running 1600x1200 total resolution of complete final picture 2880x1200 .

HD SDI HD DVD player as the only source giving 1920x1080i

This is great news MadMrH ! I havnt got my test units yet but this looks like a promissing scaler.Also the test pattern you drew up, what does it consisit of? and what kind of file is it? i only have Apple macs to use, will it work on this?

Each PJ running 1600x1200 total resolution of complete final picture 2880x1200 .

So this means your using a 160 blend zone from each projector correct?

So your going with the 2.40 ratio.

Also are you using as the sole scaler or are you going into any other scaler and using just the blending function of the C2-7200?

I'm Envious now!

Athansios

still to high, the C2-7100 is 5400 from them and the sdi version with ins and outs is 7200.

Athanasios

Are those dollar figures? I did a control+F for "$" in this thread and the only thing that came back was about 30 hits on MadPoet's doggoned signature. :D

Thhhpt!

Yes, those are dollar amounts.

Hi, its early days.................

I might try and send the unit 1080p instead of 1080i , for that I wil use one of my gefen HD SDI to DVI scalers I seem to have sitting here...........

(Thats what I used originally with my HD SDI player to the 1209s)

Test pattern - what I find useful is a vertical and horizontal line every 100 pixels - A conv grid, NOT on the very edge of the picture, the C2-7200 has alignment lines that show up there, they are weak so FULL WHITE lines blocks them out.

I then added some circles for ratio checking

AND you need extra lines in the blend area to make sure you have the correct overlap (JUST a grid and you can be one complete square out!!!)

Is there control software for a MAC ???

I run PCs.

I had a watchable blend up and running within 4 hours of unit arrival............17 hours later and the blend was looking very good........

This weekend I will spend more time with it..........

I'm Envious now!

Oh! Just wait till my NEW Bad Boy Barcos arrive............

Well no word yet from TVone but hopefully i'll be able to set it up as quick as you did.

Athansios

There is a complete list of blending option available here...................

http://www.*********/eviltwin/forum_posts.asp?TID=595&PN=1

Of the entire list the Analogue Way unit is in use by 2 or 3 Home Cimena Guys (Tim USA/Gino AUS/Antorse Spain)

the TVONE unit is in use here and under going review, the Analogue way unit will be here soon I hope as well.

ONE thing I have noticed is that a 25% blend area is the MAXIMUM most of these companies aim for.............I am starting to realise that 10-20% might be better..........More on that as I try new things out.............

Thats wierd, my link to the evil twin is not allowed - I will check with admin here..............

good to see you're finally blending Andy! are you going with 2.40:1? we use 10% BZ for that.

Yes currently setup with 2.4:1

Ive just reached a new level................

Ive done similar to you Gino.

Ive used aGefen scaler infront of the blend unit - giving 1080p@29.97 output .

WOW what a picture.

I will get a Di Ventix unit here soon.

The ease of use of the TVONE device is amazing, I got my head round all related blending settings in a few hours.

I think if I had known how easy it was with these units I would NEVER have gone the PC route to start with....................

THERE TELL TIM I SAID IT !!!!!

And as for seamless blending - well ive hardly had to do anything and its almost there already.......

Glad to hear your comming along well witht he blend! I'm still waiting on my units for review but it likes you beat me too it, and your going to be able to compare it to the Di-Ventix ! this will be great for the Blend community! I'm also geting the lesser C2-2255 and will also use it with the C2-7200. I wish they could have rounded up another C2-2255 but i'm sure it will work well together after hearing how easy the set up was from you. And since the 2255 is only about $2400 US from a few vendors i found online we'll be able to get a blend set up minus the cost of projectors for less than $6000 !!!!!! Nice
If i get into a jam with the set up maybe i can give you a call once i get every thing set up in my theater.

Keep up the good work !

Athansios

I think if I had known how easy it was with these units I would NEVER have gone the PC route to start with....................

THERE TELL TIM I SAID IT !!!!!

And as for seamless blending - well ive hardly had to do anything and its almost there already.......

I have been Told...... :D:D

Ive used aGefen scaler infront of the blend unit - giving 1080p@29.97 output .

The ease of use of the TVONE device is amazing, I got my head round all related blending settings in a few hours.


29.97?? can you explain why this frame rate?

what resolutions and framerates does the tvone support? input and output?

what types of inputs and how many?

can you give a quick summary of the different blending options?

i bet you wish you had a bigger screen now!!!! :p

Have you tried it with any hdcp material? I am not sure if it is HDCP compatible, I want to know if i should order the moomes dvi/dvi repeater to make it hdcp compatible. i know the Di-Ventix is not.

Gino
what resolutions and framerates does the tvone support? input and output?

what types of inputs and how many?

can you give a quick summary of the different blending options?


From talking to the people at TVone it will accept all resolutions in HD including 1080p and higher from computer resolutions that is rgbhv. here is a spec sheet:

http://www.tvone.com/pdf/SpecSheet-C2-7200-7210-7260.pdf

There are more pages i dont know why they didnt come up?
just right click over image and select copy image address.Then past in your browser.

Athanasios

From looking at the TVONE's specs, it appears as though you can set up your own output resolutions. If this is true, it would be interesting to see what it would look like if you were to maximize the usage of your projectors bandwidth capabilities. If you could set the horizontal at somewhere around 1,100 (just enough to not lose any of the original 1920 when summed) and set the vertical at 1620 (kind of a line tripled 1080I). This should save you about 10% in required bandwidth and hopefully display an even better looking image.
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Bob

From looking at the TVONE's specs, it appears as though you can set up your own output resolutions. If this is true, it would be interesting to see what it would look like if you were to maximize the usage of your projectors bandwidth capabilities. If you could set the horizontal at somewhere around 1,100 (just enough to not lose any of the original 1920 when summed) and set the vertical at 1620 (kind of a line tripled 1080I). This should save you about 10% in required bandwidth and hopefully display an even better looking image.
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Bob
Or you can use that extra band widht to use say a higher refresh rate than 60, maybe 72 or even 96 good bye judder!

Athanasios

Or you can use that extra band widht to use say a higher refresh rate than 60, maybe 72 or even 96 good bye judder!

Athanasios
I agree 100%. Neglecting video bandwidth requirements, the sweet spot for a pair of 8"EM projectors is probably about 1620. I would think that a pair of 9" could run at 2160 lines, but the BW requirements would go up past 250MHz. Mike Parker is doing some wonderful work on extending the video circuitry bandwidth, and this would be a spectacular way to show it off!

Well i just got the call that TVone will be sendin out my C2-7200 and the C2-2255 units tommorrow, they even asked me if i needed a splitter for the source signal to test the C2-7200 and C2-2255 together! Great Guys over there at TVone!

I wish I was getting my Moome Dvi/Dvi repeater also so i can test out the HDMI outs from my HD materials in pure digital form. Not lucky Like MadMrH to have an HD-SDI player! Damn HDCP crap! But i did tell Steve Tullo at TV One they should realy consider adding HDCP compliance to their Scalers since alot of material in the future will most likely be encrypted with it,even for production use I think it would be a must needed Option. He said He'd pass the word on to the software programers of the Corio2 software that they design in house.

Cant wait to get it!

Also If the C2-2255 unit works as well as the Dual Processeor unit i found a cheap source for those models the C2-2250(no-sdi) and the C2_2255(sdi) $1871.25 and $ 2246.25 respectivley. so you'd need two of each wich i think is a very inexpensive alternative tot he stand alone C2-7100(no-sdi) and C2-7200(sdi and HD-sdi) which start at over $7,000.00 the cheapest i found. They also have lessr scalers that blend but those are only analog inputs rgbhv,component or vga/rgb.

So you could have a blend solution for less than $ 5,ooo not counting the cables and PJ's :D

Hmmm, maybe the deck i want can waqit till next year ???? ;)

Athanasios

Well looks like HDCP compatability for these units cant be done due to the hdmi/hdcp rule, no changes can be made to the signal where as the Tvone products are used for adding text overlays and other post production use.

Maybe we can ge them to make a unit that doent do all this but only scales and blends!

Athansios

Just use Moome's "repeaters"

Just use Moome's "repeaters"

Yes I'm on the list for one but the units shiped out today and i only have 30 days to test and review them. I could just go the route I'm doing now my LG BH100 components out at 1080i then let the C2 units scale to any other resolution. right now i have it at 1080p for my LG and 960p for my sdi Denon. all going through the Lumagen HDQ. But if any on ehas a dvi/dvi repeater i could borrow for the tes it be a great help. Hopefully Moome will try to get the out soon. I also have two of his Marquee cards on order. i plan to stack after i test the blend or before and do a comparison for my own sake, i'm sure once i see the blend i will want one of the units! I am actually thinking of going the dual C2-2255 route. less expensive. However i loose the HD sdi feature but i do not have a player with HD-sdi so i guess it doesnt matter right now although that would solve the HDCP problem.
Bit that would mean paying for the mod to my player, the extra cost of the HD-Sdi C2-7200 . so at this stage in the game i will just get my feet wet with the Blend and see if i want to Jump head first into yhe pool!

Athanasio

Well looks like HDCP compatability for these units cant be done due to the hdmi/hdcp rule, no changes can be made to the signal where as the Tvone products are used for adding text overlays and other post production use.

Maybe we can ge them to make a unit that doent do all this but only scales and blends!

Athansios
See this is what I really hate and don't get with HDMI and the whole HDCP thing, when I am playing MY DVD that I bought or rented then I will do whatever I like with MY video signal going to MY projector, if i want it to be RGBHV, component, composite or have customized text added or anything else then I WILL HAVE IT THE WAY I WANT IT and it will have NO EFFECT ON PIRACY as the movie pirates already have ways around HDCP.

I will most likely end up getting a Moome external box so I can use any projector with HDMI/DVI/Component input and NONE of the movie companies will be "losing" any money at all.

so you'd need two of each

Just curious - can't the signal be split after it's scaled, saving the cost of the second scaler? I would assume such a splitter, if it exists, would be much cheaper; maybe I'm wrong.

The scaler is needed to do the blending Alan

The scaler is needed to do the blending Alan

Guess I got me a bit of learnin' to do about blending. I don't know why this is but I'm certain there is some reasonable explanation.

Well ive not got much time so i will try and ansswer some questions...........


My HD DVD player is HD SDI modified so NO HDCP on the signal , BUT 1080i output (its an XA1)

the TV one can not change 1080i to 1080p, BUT will accept a 1080p up to 30 signal.

So currently using a Gefen HD SDI to DVI convertor to give 1080p 24/29.97/30 output (still working on whats best 1080p24 seems good as its back to the disc data)


I also now have a Blu Ray player (Many thanks for the loan from Nick) - thats HDMI output into a hdmi to dvi adaptor, DVI into TVone 7200 unit and running at 1080i @ (about) 30.

So to me thats a HDCP source playing, currently 1080p from the SAMSUNG 1000 blu ray player does not work with the tvone unit - Ive not had a chance to look into this..........


GINO - some answers here, dont take these as finished results.......early days learning new unit......

"29.97?? can you explain why this frame rate?"

trial and error trying p24/p29.97/p30 from the GEFEN, all work into TVONE unit, p24 is what im trying to stick with, BUT p30 is currently easy to use a 60Hz output and keep same rates......

"what resolutions and framerates does the tvone support? input and output?

input up to 1080p30 DVI,

output rgbhv to 2048x2048

inbuilt are 106 resolution settings the spec sheet from TVONE is best to look at.

"what types of inputs and how many?"

INPUTS
3 x composite video
3 x SVHS
3 x DVI-I (rgbhv, comp, etc)
2 x HD SDI (on the 7200 version)

OUTPUTS
2 x DVI-I (up to 2048x2048 on RGBHV)
2 x HD SDI (7200 version)

can you give a quick summary of the different blending options?

select blend on up to 4 sides, blend outline guides on/off/auto, blend width, gamma 0.1 to 1.5, blend compensation (JUST ADDED Fridays firware)

blend compensation is to LITH the black level of the NON blend area -DIGITAL PJ use that cant reach BLACK.

"I bet you wish you had a bigger screen now!!!!!"

NO, seriously NOT at all, I do hope to visit spain to see the large blend BUT currently I believe the advantage of a small 8 foot wide blend is amazing, going bigger I feel reduces quality of picture - I cant be 100% sure ive not seen a 14 foot blend , bat all the indications are that you loose quality with size increase........


TV ONE are working on new firmware, the issue with the blend seems to be that if you can track the two PJs together over the complete greyscale range that the blend is seamless.

Currently ive been learning with my Sencore and I have 60IRE - 100IRE close to perfect but the lower range gets worse...............This may be "ME" and my settings , each try things get better, BUT RGB control over say an 11 point spread seperate to each output Should help things I feel...................


Also blend zone size - I started with 25% (OF EACH PJ), currently running 10% (of each PJ) .

I feel 20% would be best of both worlds - allowing a smooth blend area (colour matching NOT focus issues)

The TVONE unit allows FIVE preset recalls (Macros) - So I hope 16:9, 2.35, 2.4:1 as 3 of them.

other 2 for input changes (maybe)

NEW FIRMWARE was released on FRIDAY - Update those units when they arrive.
(shout me if I can help in any way with settings etc, its all very easy though)

PLEASE NOTE - for those following these options, I will have a Di Ventix unit here as well once the blend is fully running, and then I can compare the two units, for quality of final picture/blend, ease of use, price, other options besides blending within the unit..............

Great info MadMrH, I should be getting my units in today and TVone sent me an e-mail about the firmware and a link to it. I dont have as much experiance or testing Equipment as MadMrH so i guess i will be the "simple user" guinny pig! That is intresting that the C2-7200 passed the hdmi signal of the blu-ray player, i have the LG BH100, i hope i have the same luck. it be great to test it this way. I also might try it with the Lumagen HDQ in the chain, before the C2-7200. I still have to bring my other projector into the theater and bring my existing unit down from the ceiling.

Well good luck cant wait till you can compare the DiVentix to it. wish i had the chance over this side of the pond as well .

Athanasios

NO, seriously NOT at all, I do hope to visit spain to see the large blend BUT currently I believe the advantage of a small 8 foot wide blend is amazing, going bigger I feel reduces quality of picture - I cant be 100% sure ive not seen a 14 foot blend , bat all the indications are that you loose quality with size increase........


Andy - yes, there is a brightness loss when going huge (mine was 15 ft); that and the fact that I sit way to close to the screen made me decrease size to 12.5ft wide now. The image is very very bright now and I can see the movie AND the subtitles :)

Andy - yes, there is a brightness loss when going huge (mine was 15 ft); that and the fact that I sit way to close to the screen made me decrease size to 12.5ft wide now. The image is very very bright now and I can see the movie AND the subtitles :)


That is a question i had, About Sub titles. If you do the 2.35/.40 scrren size what happens to the subtitles that go below the 2.35 image? I know that is the optimal screen size for blending and that you wont get full raster usage if you go 16:9, but why? for some reason i cant visualize why the full tube cant be used in a 16:9 set up on a blend? Right now i have a 16:9 set up and i really maxed out my usage horizontaly leaving maybe 1-2 mm before the tube face and the vertical is maybe 6-7 mm give or take a couple. maybe soem one could post a diagram describing this?

Athanasios

Pictures of the TV one unit running can be found here

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4778503#post4778503

I hope to get some more soon............

Pictures of the TV one unit running can be found here

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4778503#post4778503

I hope to get some more soon............

Does the PJ look that soft in person? If so, is it the TVOne unit doing it or what?

Its the cheap camera................

Possible your monitor, maybe the paused motion pictures.

Great footage.

Looks like the right projector is a bit more bright,
and that you have a dark stripe in the blend area, is that correct?
Do you think you can get rid of the dark area in the middle with the blend area gamma adjustment on the TVOne?

Henrik

Ive added some more pictures,

This unit has been here about a week now,

I can only spend "spare" time on it so its doing OK.

YES, the right unit was a little bright in the lower levels, now a little better.

One thing to note, which I found out last time I tested the Nvidia system is that digital camera seem to magnify any issues - this means the pictures look poor BUT the good news is its easy to spot whats wrong...............


The dark stripe was more obvious in the darker areas - again greyscale tracking setup is essential for getting this right.

Ive been learning a little about it, and been testing and changing...........

You need to correct greyscale and also make sure the two PJs track together.


The one issue that I have found with ALL systems so far is that they assume uniform brightness this is not the case so a "standard" blend setting will need a tweak.

Try and post comments on my blend thread (Sorry its the UK forum) But to keep up with all forums is difficult.

I hope to have a completed setup within about 2 weeks.

Once that is complete I intend to test the diventix unit as well, It is easy to test on a system thats already setup.

There is much more than just the blend to setup.......

Does the PJ look that soft in person? If so, is it the TVOne unit doing it or what?I think that would be my Blu-ray player.

Nick :)

You told me off when I called it

"BLU HAZE" Player :p .


To be fair I need to check all settings, there are so many that I could have an issue.

But it does look softer than it has been :eek: .

A bit of British humour doesn't go amiss in these dark, format war-torn days

I shan't slit my throat if HD has a better picture than BD and goes on to win the war. I'll just buy one of your players!

Seriously though, it's apples and oranges. Both players generate 1080i60, but the Tosh gets to use that great little Gefen, and drive the blender at 1080p24 or 30, while the Sammy goes direct.

When I played your Tosh and my Sammy into my Vantage, both produced a brilliant picture with good discs. (It's slightly surprising how many discs aren't that great though, even the ones that get good reviews)

Nick

Yeah, Ive given thought to that.

they are not a direct comparison and I do try and look at things on a level playing field........

What I should have done is got my stock XA1 and output 1080i via HDMI and put that against the blu ray player again HDMI output, that would have been a fairer test.

BUT that was not the aim , the aim this time was to see if the TVONE allowed DVI input from a blu ray as there was thought to be HDCP issues - It worked.

I will actually go and try the XA1 - currently it is HD SDI output so no the HDCP seems to have fallen off ;) .


What I can say is I watched 5 blu ray films, and then last night I ran 2 HD DVDs. The HD DVD did in general appear to be sharper............

I think in running 8 foot picture at 2880x1200 does show the difference more than on a smaller screen.

But I do agree that side by side I would not consider this a direct comparison.

Blu Ray films watched

Casino Royal
Ice Age 2
X men 3
Usual Suspects
Worlds fastest Indian

Last nights HD DVDs

V for Vendetta
Mission Impossible 2

MadMrH, so your saying there is no hdcp issues? the blu-ray works at full 1080p out?

Athanasios

The Samsung BDP-1000 ran at 1080i via HDMI output. I had a HDMI to DVI adaptor then direct into the TVONE unit.

IF I selected 1080p then the TVONE did not like that, BUT it is NOT designed to accept 1080p60 signal, the spec is for 1080p30 MAX via DVI.

I also input 1080p up to 30 from the Gefen scaler (No HDCP)

Im gonna go and try the HD XA1 dvi output into the TVONE unit..............back in about 10 minutes.................

Ok ,I have the LG multiblue player and this outputs 1080p 24 which the TVone accepts correct? I guess i'll have to get my Arse moving and set this up soon i only have till the 7th of june to test before i send the unit back they also gave me a C2-2255 i'll try that witht the C2-7200 just for fun to see how wel that is. I still have to do the latest firmware updates.

Thanks Andy foir the PM

Athanasios

IF I selected 1080p then the TVONE did not like that, BUT it is NOT designed to accept 1080p60 signal, the spec is for 1080p30 MAX via DVI.


Can that be fixed by a firmware update? I think it is a real pity not to be able to feed it with say 1080p @ 72 Hz or better yet if it has dual link DVI-D input support with something like 2880x1080 @ 72 Hz. The DVX is limited by two factors: 1) Single-link DVI-D input which puts the pixel clock limit at 165 Mhz and 2) 1920px horizontal pixels horizontally (looks like a hardware or programmatic FPGA implementation limit).... but still can input 1080p @ 72 Hz.

Mmm!

well it could well be that the Samsung Blu Ray player does not follow the rules !!!

When I connect the XA1 as im going HDMI to DVI adaptor it just comes up with "No HDMI link" and stops playing, very annoying - I remember this now and am so glad I bought an HD SDI output version of the player.

SO, NO you cant connect a HD XA1, but yes you can a Samsung 1000 blu ray.

See what happens with the LG unit and then copy the above line with your answer (keeps it all together)

if you have anything else with that "STUPID HDMI" connector then maybe try those as well...........

Ok I have started my blend project. Not as far ahead as MadMrH due to projector set up problems, but i must say this TVone unit is pretty slick. great pic on the half of the blend I messed around with so far. You can zoom,pan,and also set the TopLeft and BottomRight just like the Lumagen scaler i'm used to. Hopefully this week end i'll pull my other PJ from the ceiling and set up the other half. I still need to do the firmware update to get the latest gamma adjustments, they have given it more control in the way of smaller steps. I'll keep you all updated when i have more time to work on it, A key employee of mine left and i have been working extra hours.

Athanasios

I still need to do the firmware update to get the latest gamma adjustments, they have given it more control in the way of smaller steps.

Are you sure the update offers this ???

I have requested this but I made the request after the recent firmware update.

"BLEND COMPENSATION" was added for NON CRT projectors, this RAISED the black level of the NON blend area, this was a USA client request blending with digital projectors.

Ive been away all week, so I hope to do some more work very soon........

Ok I have started my blend project. Not as far ahead as MadMrH due to projector set up problems, but i must say this TVone unit is pretty slick. great pic on the half of the blend I messed around with so far.
...
I'll keep you all updated when i have more time to work on it, A key employee of mine left and i have been working extra hours.
Athanasios

Any updates on this? I'm seriously considering going to a 2.35 blended setup with 2 G70s in my new (to me) house and looking around at my blending options. I know that DVX is out of range for me price-wise and while I could use the VideoLAN and nVidia solution, I think I'd prefer an external box that could pass/process live HDTV.

Has anyone tried the 260 pc cards as these are 'only' Euro 875,- plus tax, listprice?

Don't want to bother with trying to dig up the links to the productsheet/announcement again, so here's just a link to the Dutch forum's new product announcements section where I pasted the stuff they emailed me at the time. http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?topic=59084.msg902416#msg902416

From the info provided it isn't immediately clear, but judging by the image, which shows only a single output you need two of these to use the included blend functionality.

Some complaints were made in the other thread about lacking ir remotes on the t one units, well this supposedly comes with an ir remote control.

@MadMrH does the luma and chroma control in Corio2 help with the crt's ununiform brightness?

Will check your thread at avforums.

Gentlemen - any updates?

I'm seriously considering ordering a pair of C2-260s - I can take both outputs from my Crystalio 2 (HDMI) and push them into two HDFurys which in turn will input into the pair of C2-260s. These will then output directly into each PJ as RGBHV

It will be one hell of a processed image. The Crystalio 2 may get its edge blending feature anyway in whcih case I will sell the C2-260s. Essentially, the total image will have a left (1080p? or 80-90% horizontal resolution) and right (same) with the 10-20% blendzone. Cheap 4k anyone??

What's the cheapest people have seen the C2-260s going for? I've seen them for $707 US from .. (I forget) and $776 from Amazon.

Someone was going to try a 7200 - how did that go?

What's the cheapest people have seen the C2-260s going for? I've seen them for $707 US from .. (I forget) and $776 from Amazon.

$695 from Viscount Video. It isn't listed on their website yet; I e-mailed them. Got a manual on PDF also, in case you'd like a copy.

Ah - actually the $707 was from Viscount - it is on their site now ;)

Thanks for the offer of the manual. If I need it, I'll send you a PM

Kind regards

The latest from Pixel Magic.

We are working on a simple blending solution in C2. But please be reminded that all solutions require two C2, because a single C2 can't output two different videos. That's the hardware limitation.

Jason

Gentlemen - any updates?

TVOne folks told me they are still working on the dedicated blending box, but it would only become available as an OEM product. So ask Mad Andy when he expects to get it and at what price he'll be selling those.

Custom Gamma curves feature is to be added in the C2 firmware soon.

TVOne folks told me they are still working on the dedicated blending box, but it would only become available as an OEM product. So ask Mad Andy when he expects to get it and at what price he'll be selling those.

Custom Gamma curves feature is to be added in the C2 firmware soon.

I have had a few e-mails with andy regarding this. He told me something big was in the works. I was hoping it was a seperate unit that would be hdcp compliant, by not adding overlays all the other stuff their c2 series does, and directed at home theater.

I'm glad andy i pushed this issue and it got some attention for the posibiltiy of an inexpensive blend unit.well. lets hope its inexpensive!

well. lets hope its inexpensive!


I hope it's not the $4,000 processor he once mentioned as "cheap". I can get by without HDCP compliance. The signal has got to be converted to RGB sometime; why add another layer of HDCP fun?

$4000 for a blending unit is pretty damn cheap.

Although the C2-260 (tvOne) cards are now $695. You need a pair of them.

$4000 for a blending unit is pretty damn cheap.

Well, it is and it isn't. It's cheap compared to most of the solutions out there. But it's much too expensive for me. I'm taking the C2-260 route, if I ever actually do get into blending (got to find that good but reasonably priced second projector first).