Hi all! a lot of you recommended avia for calibrating in here but i end up getting ISF monster calibrating wizzard, so what i want to know is what is the difference between avia and ISF? if you never use the ISF ill let you know about that in a sec, but for avia owner please let me know the difference.
I see a minor upgrade after i use the disc, so should this call a basic setup then?
I thought the disc go more advance, but what i got from the disc is what black should be black and what white should be white and some sharpness.
So does avia or dve all feature the samething or should i buy em all?

just rent them from blockbuster or netflix...

To get the best performance out of your HDTV, then you must Calibrated the Video!

Why??

Because it's impossible to ...

1) Adjust the "Brightness & Contrast" without the "Pluge" Test Screen

From VideoEssentials Glossary webpage**: (http://www.videoessentials.com/glossary.php)
**PLUGE (Picture Line Up Generation Equipment): This is a name of a test pattern that assists in properly setting picture black level. PLUGE can be part of many test patterns. The phrase and origination of the test signal are both credited to the BBC.

2) Adjust the "Color & Tint" without the NTSC** Color Test Screens & BLUE Color Filter

**NTSC (National Television System Committee)

Blue Only The video adjustment instructions of both VE and DVE illustrate the need to look at just one of the three color channels to set the color controls. Professional monitors usually include a capability of shutting off individual color channels so that you can easily look at just one of them at a time. Since color adjustments are supposed to be made looking at the blue channel professional monitors have a blue only selection that shuts the red and green off.

In the consumer world that feature isn't common so JKP has provided a filter that blocks the majority of the red and green information, allowing you to see just the blue channel. This works for the majority of consumer sets.

Like AVIA (which I also own), Digital Video Essentials is specifically designed for Digital TV, ... you can get all the instructions, 16x9 anamorphic test screens (AVIA = letterbox) and 3-color filters in a cardboard carrier holder (AVIA filters are loose film) w/Digital Video Essentials DVD for $16.48 w/FREE SH @ DeepDiscount! (http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5785851) :)

NOTE: You can rent them, just make sure you also get the BLUE Color Filter!!!

Phil

check out robert at value electronics one of the forum sponsors, he has the new hd calibration disc in for use with hd dvd players. i think he is selling it for $25.

To get the best performance out of your HDTV, then you must Calibrated the Video!

Why??

Because it's impossible to ...

1) Adjust the "Brightness & Contrast" without the "Pluge" Test Screen

From VideoEssentials Glossary webpage**: (http://www.videoessentials.com/glossary.php)


2) Adjust the "Color & Tint" without the NTSC** Color Test Screens & BLUE Color Filter



Like AVIA (which I also own), Digital Video Essentials is specifically designed for Digital TV, ... you can get all the instructions, 16x9 anamorphic test screens (AVIA = letterbox) and 3-color filters in a cardboard carrier holder (AVIA filters are loose film) w/Digital Video Essentials DVD for $16.48 w/FREE SH @ DeepDiscount! (http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5785851) :)

NOTE: You can rent them, just make sure you also get the BLUE Color Filter!!!

Phil

Thanks for the tips.

Read here on the board that AVIA is better for beginners & DVE for the vets.
Is this true?

Thanks for the tips.

Read here on the board that AVIA is better for beginners & DVE for the vets.
Is this true?

No, both DVDs can be used by either experience level, ... since there is a tutorial supplied for each Calibration DVD! For some, it's a matter of what they preceived is the easier Menu System or not.

Like I mentioned, I own ...

1) Origitnal Video Essentials
2) AVIA
3) Sound & Vision HT Tuneup DVD
4) Digital Video Essentials**
.... a) HD DVD DVE on pre-order

**If you just press the the 'Title Menu' button on your remote, ... you can get to the "Display Setup Patterns" (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2725566530032577752qRnCcJ) in approx. 5-6 remote button selections w/DVE!

One thing that's nice w/DVE, ... it also includes a hi-def (480p) Video Montage of Images (w/6.1 surround music) to wow the crowds after you've Calibrated your Video. (carry over from the Original VE)

Since I received my DVE (09-27-2003), I basically quit using AVIA (04-18-2000) because I wanted to use DVE's 16x9 anamorphic Video Test Screens!

NOTE: I Calibrated ALL my Video INput Sources ...

1) Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Player (HDMI)
2) Samsung DVD-VR330 DVR / VCR Combo Recorder (Component = 480p)
3) Phillips DVP5960/37 - HDMI upconverting = 1080i

Phil

No, both DVDs can be used by either experience level, ... since there is a tutorial supplied for each Calibration DVD! For some, it's a matter of what they preceived is the easier Menu System or not.

Like I mentioned, I own ...

1) Origitnal Video Essentials
2) AVIA
3) Sound & Vision HT Tuneup DVD
4) Digital Video Essentials**
.... a) HD DVD DVE on pre-order

**If you just press the the 'Title Menu' button on your remote, ... you can get to the "Display Setup Patterns" (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2725566530032577752qRnCcJ) in approx. 5-6 remote button selections w/DVE!

One thing that's nice w/DVE, ... it also includes a hi-def (480p) Video Montage of Images (w/6.1 surround music) to wow the crowds after you've Calibrated your Video. (carry over from the Original VE)

Since I received my DVE (09-27-2003), I basically quit using AVIA (04-18-2000) because I wanted to use DVE's 16x9 anamorphic Video Test Screens!

NOTE: I Calibrated ALL my Video INput Sources ...

1) Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Player (HDMI)
2) Samsung DVD-VR330 DVR / VCR Combo Recorder (Component = 480p)
3) Phillips DVP5960/37 - HDMI upconverting = 1080i

Phil

Well you've sold me. Thanks again!

Im gonna rent the DVE from netflix, but what and where can i get the blue filter?

Im gonna rent the DVE from netflix, but what and where can i get the blue filter?
The Blue filter card is included with DVE DVD package, ... so hopefully NetFlix will send it along with the DVD to you!

If you don't get the Blue filter card, then you can't calibrate the Color or Tint!

Phil

I will rent the AVIA or DVE disc at Blockbuster or Hollywood Video soon after I get the HD receiver installed to calibrate a new Sharp Aquos LCD .

I am bit confused reading these posts. Since the DVE and AVIA are discs then I presume they are run from the DVD player and will calibrate the TV for that source. Am I also to conclude the calibration will be right for the D*TV reciever as well? It of course will be HD 1080i and the DVD player is 480i?

For now I have simply borrowed the settings from the forums here which are certainly an improvment over factory settings but I would like to really dial it in and see what happens.

Also can I use the AVIA /DVE disk to calibtate my InFocus 7210 Projecter as well? It has a D*TV 480i receiver and a 480P DVD Bravo player?

Thank you,
Tom

I will rent the AVIA or DVE disc at Blockbuster or Hollywood Video soon after I get the HD receiver installed to calibrate a new Sharp Aquos LCD .

I am bit confused reading these posts. Since the DVE and AVIA are discs then I presume they are run from the DVD player and will calibrate the TV for that source. Am I also to conclude the calibration will be right for the D*TV reciever as well? It of course will be HD 1080i and the DVD player is 480i?

For now I have simply borrowed the settings from the forums here which are certainly an improvment over factory settings but I would like to really dial it in and see what happens.

Also can I use the AVIA /DVE disk to calibtate my InFocus 7210 Projecter as well? It has a D*TV 480i receiver and a 480P DVD Bravo player?

Thank you,
Tom

Tom,

After you calibrate the DVD input source using the AVIA or DVE, it does not calibrate it for your D* box. You can transfer the settings over to your input for the D* Hidef input (if you have seperate setting for that input). But these setting won't decessarily be correct. You'll want to eye-ball the D* input and adjust it based on what you see on the DVD. (use the DVD to 'train' your eyes.

I understand there are some test patterns that get broadcoast over one of the hidef services on a weekly schedule, I dont recall which one or what time,(maybe HDNET or ESPNHD?) check the calibartion thread for that info, I'm sure I've seen it there.

Rick

just rent them from blockbuster or netflix...


Couldnt find it listed online at blockbuster..

I will rent the AVIA or DVE disc at Blockbuster or Hollywood Video soon after I get the HD receiver installed to calibrate a new Sharp Aquos LCD .

I am bit confused reading these posts. Since the DVE and AVIA are discs then I presume they are run from the DVD player and will calibrate the TV for that source.

Correct!

Am I also to conclude the calibration will be right for the D*TV reciever as well? It of course will be HD 1080i and the DVD player is 480i?

Video calibration, ... is video calibration, ... is video calibration, ... is video calibration!

Resolution (1080i vs. 480i/p vs. 720p) has nothing to do with video (Color & Tint w/BLUE Filter, Contrast & Brightness w/Pluge Test Screen) calibration.

Once you've calibrated your DVD player to your video device, ... those two HT devices are calibrated and you can consider those setings your REFERENCE (base mark) Video Calibration.

Here's my REF Video Calibration ...

1) Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Player (HDMI)**
Contrast..... 75
Brightness... 53
Color........ 66
Tint......... 14
Sharpness.... 0

2) Samsung DVD-VR330 DVR / VCR Combo Recorder (Component = 480p)**
Contrast..... 75
Brightness... 54
Color........ 57
Tint......... 10
Sharpness.... 5

3) Phillips DVP5960/37 - HDMI upconverting = 1080i**
Contrast..... 75
Brightness... 45
Color........ 51
Tint......... -20
Sharpness.... 5

The following is based on visual source material...
4) HD & Digital Cable TV
Contrast..... 75
Brightness... 53
Color........ 45
Tint......... -13
Sharpness.... 5

**REF Video (Color & Tint w/BLUE Filter, Contrast & Brightness w/Pluge Test Screen) Calibrated w/DVE, verified w/VE & AVIA

NOTE: Contrast and Brightness once you calibrated your DVD, ... those values generally works for HD & Digital Cable TV broadcasts w/minor changes.


For now I have simply borrowed the settings from the forums here which are certainly an improvment over factory settings but I would like to really dial it in and see what happens.

As you can tell above, you won't really nail down your equipment HT Video Calibration until you use the BLUE Filter & Pluge Test Screens.

Also can I use the AVIA /DVE disk to calibtate my InFocus 7210 Projecter as well? It has a D*TV 480i receiver and a 480P DVD Bravo player?

Thank you,
Tom
Yep!

Phil

Thaks Phil and Rick. ... I think I got it then. (I have a DVD and will have an HD D* box on the Aquos 46" 62u TV soon. But currently it's a standard D*TV box.

1. I'll calibrate the DVD and the TV using the DVE/AVIA calibration disc on it's component
input. Since my DVD is not HD then I will use the standard DVE/AVIA disc.
2. Then I'll copy those settings over to the D*TV HDMI input when I install the new HD
box it after turning off the DVD and turning on the D*TV.
3. Then I'm on my own as to what further adjustments to make for my own tastes on the
HDMI input.

When I checked while running a DVD in input 2 after I placed the borrowed settings from this forum on the current D*TV input 1 which is on also on another component hook up the new settings I keyed in came up. So I am guessing the TV only has one group of settings for all component inputs. When I remove the standard D*TV box and install the D*TV HD on a HDMI component I am hoping to be abke to be able to enter a new specific calibration for it. (The new settings I keyed in borrowed from this forum work well on the D*TV material but are very red on the DVD, so I am guessing I need to come to a acceptable best average).

Thank you,
Tom

I'm still confuse, i've never use avia or dve disc before so i dont know how it really work beside the one im using(ISF calibration wizzard) base on color, brightness and contrast.
What im trying to say is, how does the disc really help?
It did help out a little bit on being more precise but i could probly get those setting on just eyeballing the picture myself.
Im gonna end up getting or renting both disc anywayz but is there any setting i miss besides brightness, contrast, sharpness and color?

I'm still confuse, i've never use avia or dve disc before so i dont know how it really work beside the one im using(ISF calibration wizzard) base on color, brightness and contrast.
What im trying to say is, how does the disc really help?
It did help out a little bit on being more precise but i could probly get those setting on just eyeballing the picture myself.
Im gonna end up getting or renting both disc anywayz but is there any setting i miss besides brightness, contrast, sharpness and color?

===COPIED FROM MY POST ABOVE===

... Because it's impossible to ...

1) Adjust the "Brightness & Contrast" without the "Pluge" Test Screen

From VideoEssentials Glossary webpage**: (http://www.videoessentials.com/glossary.php)
**PLUGE (Picture Line Up Generation Equipment): This is a name of a test pattern that assists in properly setting picture black level. PLUGE can be part of many test patterns. The phrase and origination of the test signal are both credited to the BBC.

2) Adjust the "Color & Tint" without the NTSC** Color Test Screens & BLUE Color Filter

**NTSC (National Television System Committee)

Blue Only The video adjustment instructions of both VE and DVE illustrate the need to look at just one of the three color channels to set the color controls. Professional monitors usually include a capability of shutting off individual color channels so that you can easily look at just one of them at a time. Since color adjustments are supposed to be made looking at the blue channel professional monitors have a blue only selection that shuts the red and green off.

In the consumer world that feature isn't common so JKP has provided a filter that blocks the majority of the red and green information, allowing you to see just the blue channel. This works for the majority of consumer sets.

===END OF PARTIAL COPY FROM ABOVE===

If your Monster/ISF HDTV Calibration Wizard DVD has a Pluge Test Screen, ... the NTSC Color Test Screens & BLUE COLOR FILTER, ... then you're set.

Phil