Well like the title says we have spent the last 2 days getting a Barco 909 on my ceiling.
It replaces my M8110.
It sure is a nice machine let me tell you.
It only has 1430 hours on it & all tubes are pure white.The Barco remote door is still on it.It does have the HFQ 900 lenses.
Th remote does everything you need.
6-pole astigmatism is all done by remote control.
Converge on green.
Converge blue to green,Converge blue to red.there are menus to do practically everything you ever wanted.
The main thing I really like is the focus system.these P19Lug tubes with these HFQ900 lenses are beautifully sharp & refined.


I am trying to add pics here so we will see if I am successful.
I am going to upload this thread to see if the pics worked then I will continue on.
Scott

Does anybody know how to add pictures????


Edit:
OK I got it.

Was that one of the units the guy in Houston was selling?

OK Some pics

Was that one of the units the guy in Houston was selling?


No

WOW, look at that. You pop open the cover and it looks just like my 4600 :D

Chip

Congrats, Scott. That's quite a catch. Condition sounds superlative.

> Converge blue to green <

Always hated that on all 3 of my Barcos.

> Converge blue to red. <

Always wanted that. :)

- Tim

My buddy & I have got about 30% of the way there getting a decent picture from this unit.But I do have to say that it is already AT LEAST twice as nice as my M8110.
This unit just screams for a professional calibration.

Right now Star Wars SD DVD through my Lumagen HDP doing 1080P@72 looks just smoking.
I'm afraid I take crappy pics though, so there is just no use doing screenshots.
I purchased a PS3 for blu-ray but have not even unpacked it yet.

Now here is where I need some help.
On the blue & red tubes the Scheimfluge nuts are stuck.The previous owner stripped the inner housing & I can no longer turn for my corner focus.
The Blue though is actually stuck almost perfectly where I need it to be,The red however is not.On the red I have excellent focus top left & bottom right.The opposite(B L,& T R ) is horribly off.
Here are 3 pictures of the Scheimfluge knobs of the red tube.
The dial with the spring on it is what I need to turn.It is presently locked where it is.The little nut (on the bottom you cannot see it in the pics) is stripped.I have tried to turn the dial by hand but it is too stiff.With the picture tube so close I do not want to force anything.
Curt Palme is looking for a 1209S housing right now to see if that is similar to this one but has not found one yet.Curt has very little knowledge of the barco 909 so he immediately did not know.
I am wondering if we remove the tube is it just a simple matter to force or turn the knob back to the middle???
Does anybody out there know how I could fix this??
Any help would be much appreciated.

You suck

You really suck

YOU REALLY REALLY SUCK!

My buddy & I have got about 30% of the way there getting a decent picture from this unit.But I do have to say that it is already AT LEAST twice as nice as my M8110.

You had a Marquee. Just about any Barco is twice the PJ! :p

Scott, let me know when you want to ditch your 8110 :)

You had a Marquee. Just about any Barco is twice the PJ! :p

Yes I had a M8110.
And I got it from Curt.But I am happy to say that Curt was NOT mad at me when he found out that I got this 909.Actually the first thing he said was,"Do you have any more??":D :D :D

Scott, let me know when you want to ditch your 8110 :)

I want to publicly thank my friend for helping me these last 4 days with this machine.
It took A LOT longer even to get onto the ceiling then any of us thought it would.
This machine is very different from the Marque lines.A lot of things are easier but some are harder.
He travelled about 8 hours, & spent 4 days here plus another 8 hours home,( he left this afternoon)& that is a lot especially considering I met him through these forums.

I gave him my M8110 for his kids X-Box in appreciation for his help.

Scott,

I believe Mike Parker was contracted by Barco to do board level repairs for the 909 and he had a couple in his shop a little while back. Check with him to see, but I think this is accurate.

Nice! Very Nice!

Doc

Ah well, I was hoping to score another 8xxx cheap :)

You had a Marquee. Just about any Barco is twice the PJ! :p

And just one step away from total bliss ;)

Chip

On the 1209S there are two small securing screws accesible from the front. You then adjust scheimpflug with screews from the top. You probably figured this out long ago, but I attach two pictures from the 1209s service manual anyway:

Scheimpflug (http://home.broadpark.no/~gku/scheimpflug.jpg)
Securing screws (http://home.broadpark.no/~gku/sec_screws.jpg)

Gunnar

On the 1209S there are two small securing screws accesible from the front. You then adjust scheimpflug with screews from the top. You probably figured this out long ago, but I attach two pictures from the 1209s service manual anyway:

Scheimpflug (http://home.broadpark.no/~gku/scheimpflug.jpg)
Securing screws (http://home.broadpark.no/~gku/sec_screws.jpg)

Gunnar

Thank You:
Here are 2 pictures
1 shows the Scheimfluge nuts.These are the nuts to turn for scheimfluge.
Now what has happened is the inner portion of the plastic tube of the scheimfluge has been stripped.When you turn the nut,it does not turn anything anymore.
The second pic shows the end gear of the Scheimfluge.It is stopped up against the liitle extrusion of the picture tube itself.

I need to turn this back about .25 to .5 of an inch but it is stuck.Does anyone know how to turn this cam now that you know that I cannot turn it with the usual way of using the nut.
If we remove the picture tube would we be able to force the cam to turn,or is there a replacement part available??
This is what we & Curt are unsure of.I have never removed a tube before & Curt has never seen a 909 before.He has worked briefly on a Runco DTV 1200 but on a board repair never on this.
Thanks for suggestions,please keep them coming.

Update:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50182#50182


OK Thank You everyone.I have fixed the problem with the Sheimfluge, at least to my satisfaction.A more detailed account is at the link above.
Tomorrow I will try to fine tune this as well as I can.
I have a call in to Ken Whitcomb to see how much he will charge to give the unit a special treatment.

Thanks again.

You suck! But I think it looks lonely ;)

YOU REALLY REALLY SUCK!

word.

I completely agree with the others.

You suck.

Yes you suck, now go and open the ps3 and watch some real HD :)



Bruce

You suck! But I think it looks lonely ;)


WELL.You do realize that my friend got the other one.And did you also know that they have the SEMU Blending board in these units.:D

Sounds like a missed opportunity to me.. that would have been something, blended 909's

Your right,it would have.
But my room is only 11' wide.I have a 108" wide screen & 2 909's would be definite overkill.
Not too mention that I couldn't afford it :D

Sounds like a missed opportunity to me.. that would have been something, blended 909's

:D - Yeah, that would be a really nice idea.

Your right,it would have.
But my room is only 11' wide.I have a 108" wide screen & 2 909's would be definite overkill.

Wierd :rolleyes: Obviously you are new to the world of Barco :D Did the previous owner not tell you that you can will buy more as soon as you can...........

Anyway my room is only 9 foot wide, my screen is only 8 foot wide thats 96" last time I checked............

And im currently installing blended 1209s units So whats the next stage above overkill :D :D :D

(NOTE the 1209s are a stop gap :eek: )

And im currently installing blended 1209s units So whats the next stage above overkill :D :D :D

(NOTE the 1209s are a stop gap :eek: )


Hahahaha
MAD mrh is right......

Sounds like a missed opportunity to me.. that would have been something, blended 909's

Gino.If I remember correctly you immediately did not have coloured C elements.
Did you ever get them,& if so what kind of a difference did you see???

YOU REALLY REALLY SUCK!

LOL! Oh man, it's nice to be in the 9" club!

Those are words I won't have to type in this forum again. :D

Marc

LOL! Oh man, it's nice to be in the 9" club!

Those are words I won't have to type in this forum again. :D

Marc

I didn't totally understand your comment ,Until I saw your sig over on Curt's site.
Runco 990 Baby.




What resolution are most people running SD-DVD's at?
I have heard from some that the most you should push dvd's at is about 960P.
Right now the lumagen is set at 1080P@72.I have noticed from watching Flight of the Phoenix( A movie I used to demo my 8110 all the time) that most scenes are sharper,but some scenes actually look less.
But Star Wars A New Hope looks beautiful throughout.These are the only 2 movies I have had time to look at.
I had a Sony Pro PVM monitor & it was not the right monitor to watch regular dvd's on because it showed all the flaws in the picture,to the point where it was almost unwatchable.It needed to see D1 masters.I think the 909 is probably doing some of the same.Any thoughts??

LOL! Oh man, it's nice to be in the 9" club!

Those are words I won't have to type in this forum again. :D
Why not Marc? I am in the dual 9" club, he still sucks! props where props is due :)

What resolution are most people running SD-DVD's at?
I have heard from some that the most you should push dvd's at is about 960P.
Right now the lumagen is set at 1080P@72.

Run NTSC based @ 59.94

Run PAL based @ 72

I run SD DVD up at 1080p

For me the PJ needs to be set at ONE resolution that allows it to be set to optimum settings

If you run a refresh rate that is not a multiple of the original then you can add a judder into the picture , Seen more in left right pan shots and that could appear as a less sharp image.

A scaler will do everything possible to change to any refresh rate but helping it along by using an easy multiple has for me to be the best way.

Why not Marc? I am in the dual 9" club, he still sucks! props where props is due :)

Sigh.... LOL! I suppose it's a right of passage.

Scott, YOU SUCK!!! :D

Marc

Sigh.... LOL! I suppose it's a right of passage.

Scott, YOU SUCK!!! :D

Marc


Thanks marc.
No really Thanks.

I have had a lot of pm's etc from people saying enjoy the unit,good catch,way to go etc.
But the really funny thing is,is that I have only heard from 1 single G-90 owner.And that owner rarely posts on any forum anymore.
Well I guess the G-90 guys are in there own little cliche club.:D

But it is nice to know that my CRT kicks their CRT in the balls:D:D:D

I didn't totally understand your comment ,Until I saw your sig over on Curt's site.
Runco 990 Baby.




What resolution are most people running SD-DVD's at?
I have heard from some that the most you should push dvd's at is about 960P.
Right now the lumagen is set at 1080P@72.I have noticed from watching Flight of the Phoenix( A movie I used to demo my 8110 all the time) that most scenes are sharper,but some scenes actually look less.
But Star Wars A New Hope looks beautiful throughout.These are the only 2 movies I have had time to look at.
I had a Sony Pro PVM monitor & it was not the right monitor to watch regular dvd's on because it showed all the flaws in the picture,to the point where it was almost unwatchable.It needed to see D1 masters.I think the 909 is probably doing some of the same.Any thoughts??

Scott, all I can tell you is that as your display gets better, it ALSO shows you all the flaws and weaknesses of your source material and video chain. I noticed this as soon as I switched from a draper cinefold (free) screen to a Vutec Silverstar just on the PG9. Even the screen could throw back detail that got lost in the low gain draper. THEN I had to find the source of this noise, which turned out to come from the SMPS in my switcher. See NEC ISS switcher noise and tightening screws.

THEN I got the Runco/PG10 and upgraded the electronics. Holy cow, what a difference! I was blown away once again.

And it just goes on and on. Now, any flaw in the source is immediately visible. It's the price you pay when resolution can out-do source.

Marc

And it just goes on and on. Now, any flaw in the source is immediately visible. It's the price you pay when resolution can out-do source.

Marc

In the last 2 days that I have had time to watch the unit a little bit, I am understanding exactly what you are saying.I have a CRT Goo Screen.Flaws that I see now,I never saw on the M8110.I am referring to the screen itself.
Roller marks from the paint roller are now very evident,& the orange peel texture from Goo is now distracting on the 909,where as I never saw it on the 8110.
I have purchased a PS 3 for Blu-Ray but have not hooked it up yet.
I am sure Blu-Ray will give me a better picture over SD DVD's but I'm afraid that it will also highlight even more, the defects in the screen.
Bruce is sending me some screen samples that he has at his house.
It doesn't take long for the money to start adding up when you get products of this calibre.I'm not complaining mind you,just stating that if you want these products to really shine,you have to go the extra mile.
PS 3,Toshiba HD-DVD,A Stewart screen or equivalent,Ken Whitcomb calibration etc.
I am thankful that I am now beginning to see what people like Art have seen for many years.

Run PAL based @ 72


Isn't PAL supposed to be 75Hz and film 72Hz (1.5x PAL and 3x Film, respectively?)

Yes, I think it was a typo... definitely running my PAL at 75

I'm sure its a typo too, but, is Andy saying 1080p at 59.94, 72 and 75 for NTSC, Film and PAL respectively?

The 909 is a great machine but if you really want it to shine get a real HDDVD machine. Toshiba the look and sound of perfect. Look into it.

:rolleyes:

Bob: There a whole other forum dedicated to fanboy comments on Blu-ray vs HD-DVD. Keep them out of here. I suggest you also "look into it".

Kal

Heh Bob:
You might want to reread the thread.I am running STANDARD DVD's at 1080P@72.
I do have a PS3 but I have not even opened it yet.
I also bought 6 HD DVD movies on auction 2 days ago but have not bought a player yet.

I agree on having a PS3 for your gaming and it sounds like you are on your way to building a good HDDVD HT in getting six titles. I watch all HDDVD's now @ 1080p on my Barco. Let me know when you get your player, you will be amazed.

Hi Scott,
did you get your HD player yet? What size screen are you using with your 909?It must look incredible no matter what.