I just saw it announced on Attack of the show that Sony announced it was discontinuing the 20G PS3!

Sony's official statement:
"At launch, we offered two separate models of PLAYSTATION 3 to meet the diverse needs and interests of our PlayStation fan base. Initial retail demand in North America was upwards of ninety percent in favor of the 60GB SKU, so we manufactured and shipped-in accordingly. Due to the overwhelming demand for the 60GB model from both retailers and consumers, we have ceased offering the 20GB model here in North America. In addition to the larger internal hard drive, the 60GB PlayStation 3 features added storage media slots and built-in Wi-Fi not found in the 20GB system. Based on retailer and consumer feedback, we have decided to focus our current efforts on the more popular 60GB model."

Here's a link to the whole story http://gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=108611

I know a lot of people will be mad about this but I myself passed on 3 different 20G PS3's the week the PS3's were released.
I wanted a 60G so I waited a couple of weeks & got one.

So if you really want a 20G you better get it while you can!!

In the US at least, not sure about other parts of the world though...

Sony confirms 20GB PS3 discontinued (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6883)

Different headline, same basic idea: "Sony Raises Price of PS3 by $100."

Dumb move by Sony. There's nothing wrong with the 20 gig model for a majority of the consumers out there. Just when MS did a boneheaded move with the Elite, it seems like Sony decided to outdo them and make an even more stupid move. Who would have thought that just as MS narrows the price gap, Sony would want to widen it?

Which is why Nintendo is poised for a continuous kill at retail with the Wii. While PS3 and XBox 360 duke it out for the most expensive/worthy/technologically advanced moniker the Wii remains the only next-generation system available by default. Graphics may be dated by the Wii delivers a next-gen experience for almost $300 less than PS3 and $200 less than the Elite. Unreal! :confused:

Who would have thought that just as MS narrows the price gap

I am confused when 2 other skus that majority of people are going to buy anyway. I don't see the concern of the price of the 360 Elite anyways. To me it reminds me of the HT PS2 that bombed in Japan at its high version price. If someone comes in and sees the price of the Elite and PS3 at a closer price they are going to see the other 2 skus also that is farther from the price of the PS3 even if Sony didn't discontinue the 20 gig. Most sales are still going to come from the Premium. I don't see how this is looked at being even more sales or someone coming up with a light bulb that they should now buy a PS3 because of the price of the Elite. People are either going to buy the PS3 already or have a plan to save money to get it. The Elite is not going to change folks mind to just pick up a PS3 for the majority of average customers who don't spend that kind of money on a console to begin with. :D

I always thought the 20gig was the best console deal out there. I also think it is the most stable. I don't think I've heard any of the people that have had Blu-ray freezes or problems ever say they had a 20gig model.

I can see Sony's motivation, but I'm glad I got my 20gig which is now a 120gig. :D Plus I like the all black look.

Which is why Nintendo is poised for a continuous kill at retail with the Wii. While PS3 and XBox 360 duke it out for the most expensive/worthy/technologically advanced moniker the Wii remains the only next-generation system available by default. Graphics may be dated by the Wii delivers a next-gen experience for almost $300 less than PS3 and $200 less than the Elite. Unreal! :confused:
Wii delivers a next gen experience??? :rolleyes:
Get real!
The Wii is a repackaged game cube with a diffrent controler that is just a gimmick!
12 year olds will always love it but Nintendo has never had the games that appealed to adults.
Once people get tired of Wii sports they will start collecting dust in the corner.

It's all about profitability, the Wii was making a profit with the first unit because very little acually changed between it & the game cube except packaging, Microsoft has never made any profit on the Xbox or 360 & they don't care because they have Uncle Bill's money to fall back on, Sony won't make a profit for at least another 18 months & by dropping the lower priced unit they streamline manufacturing & save some $$ in the process.
Unlike MS Sony would actually like to make a profit in their gaming division!

Dumb move by Sony. There's nothing wrong with the 20 gig model for a majority of the consumers out there.

If 90% of PS3 consumers are buying the 60GB model than it makes perfect sense for Sony to discontinue the 20GB model. While there may be "nothing wrong with the 20 gig model for a majority of the consumers out there", those consumers arent buying PS3's anyway...they're probably buying Wii's. :)

While PS3 and XBox 360 duke it out for the most expensive/worthy/technologically advanced moniker the Wii remains the only next-generation system available by default. Graphics may be dated by the Wii delivers a next-gen experience for almost $300 less than PS3 and $200 less than the Elite. Unreal!

I'd hardly call a system that can't output HD a "next generation experience". The Wii is fine for what it is, an inexpensive gaming system for the masses, but it does not compare technologically to the either the XBOX360 or PS3.

Damn that sucks. The 20GB PS3 was a great bargain for those who didnt need wifi and could manage their hard drive. I liked the idea of the 20GB unit, though I bought a 60GB unit.

I am 50/50 on the surprise factor.
I am surprised they dumped it, because the price was pretty good, compared to the elite.

I am not surprised that it was dumped since they are losing more on it... and 20GB drives were not getting cheaper(though larger drives are)

If 90% of PS3 consumers are buying the 60GB model than it makes perfect sense for Sony to discontinue the 20GB model. While there may be "nothing wrong with the 20 gig model for a majority of the consumers out there", those consumers arent buying PS3's anyway...they're probably buying Wii's. :)
I specifically wanted a 20GB unit and couldn't find one. If I was willing to pay the extra $100 (I wasn't), I would have bought a 60GB, but that does not mean that I preferred it.

Meanwhile, I'm done with Resistance and there's nothing much else interesting on PS3. Now I want to spend another $250 just to get a Wii so I can at least play Paper Mario and Zelda. Considering I saved $100 on my demo unit 20GB PS3, I guess it's only $150 more to buy a PS3 and a "real gaming console". (Sorry, had to say it. :) )

Perhaps the next move by Sony is a price drop....maybe $450 :p

Wow...Discontinued in less than 5 months...Seems awfully quick.
I'm really surprised.

I never saw a 20gb at retail (I know others have, never many though)... only 60's. I have not read a single report in which 20's were ordered by a chain and Sony didnt fill the order.

I think this entire move is a result of the stores not wanting to stock it, not how well it would actually sell. Seems like the retail segment never gave it a chance. The 20GB Ps3 was the best deal in consumer electronics this year. Maybe that was the problem, it was too pro-consumer and not pro-store.

I'm glad I got my 20 in preorder.

Microsoft has never made any profit on the Xbox or 360(What?) & they don't care because they have Uncle Bill's money to fall back on

Clearly you have some catching up to do to make this comment.

Sony better drop the 60gb price to $499 or lower before the holidays or risk becoming next-gen GC.

Clearly you have some catching up to do to make this comment.

Do you have evidence to the contrary? The 360's financials are wrapped up with many other products under an umbrella division of Microsoft Corp. If you have some kind of break out of their financial statements to share with us that the 360 is turning a profit on hardware, it means you are an employee and, subsequently, likely to be fired for such disclosure :p

I always find it interesting when people say Wii is not next-gen by using the reasoning that it's not as graphically intense as the other consoles.No argument there obviously,but the people who say the Wii remote is a gimmick are also the same people who said the DS and it's stylus gameplay was a gimmick,and that PSP's 'next-gen' graphics would win out.I think we know how that wound up...

If next-gen is only defined as upping the visuals from the previous generation,then yeah Wii comes up short.But the Wii has a more advanced control interface than either competitor,shouldn't that count for anything??

If next-gen is only defined as upping the visuals from the previous generation,then yeah Wii comes up short.But the Wii has a more advanced control interface than either competitor,shouldn't that count for anything??

"Different" is not same as "more advanced".

There is nothing about the Wii gameplay experience that couldn't have been done last-gen, even the controller. That's why it's not really considered "next gen".

I always find it interesting when people say Wii is not next-gen by using the reasoning that it's not as graphically intense as the other consoles.No argument there obviously,but the people who say the Wii remote is a gimmick are also the same people who said the DS and it's stylus gameplay was a gimmick,and that PSP's 'next-gen' graphics would win out.I think we know how that wound up...

If next-gen is only defined as upping the visuals from the previous generation,then yeah Wii comes up short.But the Wii has a more advanced control interface than either competitor,shouldn't that count for anything??

Yeah, it counts as a gimmick.

Pointless debate, its life! Move the heck on yo! It should not be no surprise to anyone... It is a strategic move by Sony. More focus on the 60gb platform, and possibly a price cut also!

I still beleive, that SONY has a better business model, and that in the end they will be on top.

Nintendo on the other hand, has to just continue what they are doing. Wii has been an enormous success.

I always find it interesting when people say Wii is not next-gen by using the reasoning that it's not as graphically intense as the other consoles.No argument there obviously,but the people who say the Wii remote is a gimmick are also the same people who said the DS and it's stylus gameplay was a gimmick,and that PSP's 'next-gen' graphics would win out.I think we know how that wound up...

If next-gen is only defined as upping the visuals from the previous generation,then yeah Wii comes up short.But the Wii has a more advanced control interface than either competitor,shouldn't that count for anything??

the problem is that joe blow public are very susceptible to gimmicks :)

I think the Wii is a success already. I just question how long it will be a viable platform. I wonder how many bowling games the public will put up with, and how quickly they will get bored of the same gimmick remote. It is a gimmick. Anyone who has played one can attest to how horribly inaccurate it is. It's also not more advanced, as others said.

The wii is incapable of the same experience the 360 or the ps3 provide, neglecting the graphics of all systems. THe wii found a niche (in gameplay, not in userbase), but by definition, a niche is small. THe only system capable of becoming the next gamecube is the wii, since the gc actually had the sales lead for all those that remember. I dont think any system will be a gamecube this go around though.

The truth is, only time will tell.

I myself have a 20gb model that has been working flawlessly until recently the usb ports have gone out. Nothing else on the unit is malfunctioning, blu rays still play fantastic, and my downloads go at a pretty good speed. I didn't even notice until the controller needed to be charged. I am pretty sure it was a glitch somehow caused by folding cuz thats what it had been doing when it stopped working.
I just tried the settings restore and the usb ports still wont recognize anything. Anyways I am wondering how this whole discontinuance will effect me if I cash in my manufacturers warranty. Would they send me a 60gb model or a refurb 20gb? Guess Im bout to find out.

I always thought the 20gig was the best console deal out there. I also think it is the most stable. I don't think I've heard any of the people that have had Blu-ray freezes or problems ever say they had a 20gig model.

I can see Sony's motivation, but I'm glad I got my 20gig which is now a 120gig. :D Plus I like the all black look.


Same here, not a single issue of freezing with my 20GB Ps3 now a 160GB (bought for less than $100) since launch... :)

Clearly you have some catching up to do to make this comment.
I heard that quote about xbox not making a profit on either a special on video games on MSNBC or video game revolution a 2 hour show on PBS.

Think about it,
The xbox launched 20 months after the PS2, it sold well in North America but tanked in Europe & did even worse in Japan.
6 weeks after launch in Europe at $460 they slash prices to $266, not that that helped much.
6 months after the US launch they dropped the price to $199 to price match the PS2.
Xbox production stopped before the 360 was released, no more hardware & no more games, it was basicly abandoned.

Late launch, sales way below projections, multiple & early price cuts & discontinued early= no time to make profits.

The 360 hasn't done well in Europe or Japan either & hasn't started to make a profit yet, to say nothing about all the warranty claims.

Hope I can find a 20gb still......

Do you have evidence to the contrary? The 360's financials are wrapped up with many other products under an umbrella division of Microsoft Corp. If you have some kind of break out of their financial statements to share with us that the 360 is turning a profit on hardware, it means you are an employee and, subsequently, likely to be fired for such disclosure :p

It was reported back in November that Microsoft was actually making a small profit on the physical hardware.

http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html

The 360 has been in the market for 18 months and in production for even longer. Remember, they've made 12 or 13 million of the things by now and reduced costs by who knows how much. They're reported to be ramping up 65nm chips which are even cheaper. It's pretty easy to assume they're probably clearing even more now.

Gears of War and Crackdown are both multi-million sellers probably netting over 250 Million in revenue alone.

As for the 20GB PS3 i find it odd I never saw one in any store, yet there are boatloads of 60GB PS3's sitting everywhere. If anything Sony should drop the 60GB :)

I really dont know what Sony is thinking here. They just raised the price of the PS3 relative to its competitors. If they reduce the price Microsoft and Nintendo can answer in kind with no ill effects. Sony's loss per console will just increase and they cede even more market share. There's no market for a 600 dollar console that has no games.

so are the unused 20's gonna be remade to 60's or secretly shipped to whoever wants em to sell...

people wanted the 60 because of wi-fi. I tried to sell the 20 but it didnt have wireless and they didnt understand you could still do it without it being already in it. I def dont think anyone uses the card readers.

I bet ya see some 20's on the net now for a higher price

so are the unused 20's gonna be remade to 60's or secretly shipped to whoever wants em to sell...

people wanted the 60 because of wi-fi. I tried to sell the 20 but it didnt have wireless and they didnt understand you could still do it without it being already in it. I def dont think anyone uses the card readers.

I bet ya see some 20's on the net now for a higher price

From High Def Digest (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Sony/Hardware/PlayStation_3/High-Def_Gaming/Sony_Pulls_the_Plug_on_20GB_PlayStation_3/574)

"While retailers will be allowed to sell-through any remaining stock of the 20GB model, the company said no new orders will be fulfilled."

MY big question is what is going to happen in 6 months when some one has to have his 20G replaced under warranty?
Repair the one sent in, refurb or upgrade to 60G?

I use the card reader all the time, I got used to the memory stick reader on my 50" XBR1 & when I got the 70" XBR2 the reader was replaced by a 3rd HDMI input.
So I use the card reader all the time, setting up a slide show is easy & it's a great way to show pics.
I'm getting ready to get the DSC-H9 & that camera takes pics in 16:9 format so it will fill the whole screen, you can bet I'm going to be using the card reader a lot.

Why in the world would someone pay a premium for a 20G when the 60G is only $100 more than the retail price of the 20G?

Glad I have my 20gb as I love it and it has worked flawlessly.

I always find it interesting when people say Wii is not next-gen by using the reasoning that it's not as graphically intense as the other consoles.No argument there obviously,but the people who say the Wii remote is a gimmick are also the same people who said the DS and it's stylus gameplay was a gimmick,and that PSP's 'next-gen' graphics would win out.I think we know how that wound up...

If next-gen is only defined as upping the visuals from the previous generation,then yeah Wii comes up short.But the Wii has a more advanced control interface than either competitor,shouldn't that count for anything??

Have you played that boxing game on there? That is the biggest POS system I have ever seen, played, or cared about. All I heard was people raving about it and when I finally got the chance to play it I was like you got to be kidding me how bad this sucks and the gameplay sucks and the games.

I bought a warranty from EB Games for my 20GB PS3. Now I'm wondering what will happen if I need to exchange it and they don't have anymore 20GB models. I know they won't give me a 60GB in its place. I think I'm going to call them today to find out. Because if I paid for a warranty and they can't honor it because of the product being discontinued that should be on them and not on me.

so are the unused 20's gonna be remade to 60's or secretly shipped to whoever wants em to sell...

people wanted the 60 because of wi-fi. I tried to sell the 20 but it didnt have wireless and they didnt understand you could still do it without it being already in it. I def dont think anyone uses the card readers.

I bet ya see some 20's on the net now for a higher price


I'm quite sure the unused 20GB units will be used for people who have problems with theirs as warranty replacements. After the initial 1 year from now date passes and Sony's warranty for all 20GB units expire, then they can recycle units and re-make them 60GB ones... However opening them up is no easy task however it isn't impossible...

I love how Sony blames the lack of demand for 20GB models...yet when Best Buy had them online a few weeks ago they were sold out in short order, before I could get one.

Crap like this is why people dislike Sony. Congratulations, Sony, you managed to make Microsoft look like the consumer's champion.

IMO the 20gb was only offered so Sony could say their new console launched at under $500. That's the price they touted before it launched in almost every press release that mentioned price.
Now that it has launched worldwide, there's no need for that $499 price to point at.

In reply to the 360/profits issue, it was reported in November that MS was able to cut production costs on the 360 by over 40% and were then making a $75 profit on each console sold (retail cost). Do some searching....not hard to find articles about that.

$599 is a large sum of money to spend on a system.
$499 is a a little easier to swallow when you see that price next to the larger one.
Now that people are used to seeing higher prices for this console, they can drop the $499 and not scare off as many people.

Personally, I don't believe Sony ever intended to sell the 20 gig for an extended period of time. It was simply used to help people get used to a higher price for a new game console.

I bought the 60. I have no regrets.

**EDIT**
Exactly what Mike said above. lol. I took too long to hit submit.
Funny that we have the same thought though.

Damn that sucks. The 20GB PS3 was a great bargain for those who didnt need wifi and could manage their hard drive. I liked the idea of the 20GB unit, though I bought a 60GB unit.

Me too. I wanted a 20GB unit, but couldn't find one after searching for about a week so I went ahead and got the 60GB. I bet half the reason that the 60GB was outselling the 20GB 10:1 is that people couldn't find the 20GB unit.

Frankly, I don't know why Sony put HDMI on the 20 gb model. They had a working and legit way of convincing the avid gamer to buy the higher end system.

I can say Sony lost a sale with the loss of the 20gb model. I was planning on becoming a neutral HD/Blu supporter with this purchase. For roughly the same price I can get a better upconverting blu-ray player. I'll also return to the Xbox which I was about to abandon for the PS3.

Really intelligent move. :rolleyes:

I just spoke with my local EB Games where I bought my unit and they referred me to a hotline number(1-800-800-5166). After speaking with the local manager and the hotline I got the following answers.

Even though I paid for the EB warranty (which allows me to trade my broken unit in for a "Brand New" one no questions asked) I will be forced to pay the difference for a 60GB model or trade it straight up for a "refurbished" one if they have them in stock. If they do not have a refurbished unit then I would have to wait for one.

Don't get me wrong, I would pay the difference because it is cheaper than buying one new but I don't want a 60GB model. I placed a 120GB drive in mine and I don't need wireless so there is no point of me having a 60GB PS3. Also I paid for the warranty through EB, if I wanted to wait for a refurbished unit I would of saved my money and just send it to Sony for repair! This burns me.....

Then to top it off the manager at EB exact quote "Are you trying to get a 60GB upgrade for free?" NO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET A 60GB SYSTEMS FOR FREE!!!!! I want another 20GB as I was promised when you sold the warranty!!!

Sorry I'm just a little ticked off....

I just spoke with my local EB Games where I bought my unit and they referred me to a hotline number(1-800-800-5166). After speaking with the local manager and the hotline I got the following answers.

Even though I paid for the EB warranty (which allows me to trade my broken unit in for a "Brand New" one no questions asked) I will be forced to pay the difference for a 60GB model or trade it straight up for a "refurbished" one if they have them in stock. If they do not have a refurbished unit then I would have to wait for one.

Don't get me wrong, I would pay the difference because it is cheaper than buying one new but I don't want a 60GB model. I placed a 120GB drive in mine and I don't need wireless so there is no point of me having a 60GB PS3. Also I paid for the warranty through EB, if I wanted to wait for a refurbished unit I would of saved my money and just send it to Sony for repair! This burns me.....

Then to top it off the manager at EB exact quote "Are you trying to get a 60GB upgrade for free?" NO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET A 60GB SYSTEMS FOR FREE!!!!! I want another 20GB as I was promised when you sold the warranty!!!

Sorry I'm just a little ticked off....

If I were you, I'd relax and saved getting ticked off for the unlikely event that you need to make a claim on your warranty.

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I bought the 60. I have no regrets.
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I do I bought a gaming system that doesnt have any games. I have resistance and im really not that impressed :rolleyes: , I only bought it cause I really had no choice. Unforturneatly I enjoyed a Ps2 game more than I have any PS3 game, and as of today will enjoy a game that is older than the PS2 and PS1 (MKII), all on my $600 system. Im tired of hearing the crap, "oh but all systems dont have any games after they launch" bull$hit that just an excuse, look at the wii ! It launched after the PS3 and has a wide variety of games and more games available than the PS3, FUN games, some aren't visually advancements from what next gen can do, but they are flat out fun, which is what why we play these games, for fun!

If I were you, I'd relax and saved getting ticked off for the unlikely event that you need to make a claim on your warranty.

I guess your right. I hope I don't have to use the warranty, but bought it because it was the first run of systems. I guess it is just the point of not being able to deliver. I own a PC repair shop and if I sell a warranty on something and they stop making the product (which happens alot) I replace it with a part that is "New" and of equal or greater performance. If I didn't do that I wouldn't be in business long.

Yeah, it counts as a gimmick.


Yeah,they said the DS was a gimmick and would get killed by PSP also.

kmart.com has the 20 GB in stock (though not for long I'm sure):

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/ProductDisplay?partNumber=9990000022338511P&langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10104

IMO the 20gb was only offered so Sony could say their new console launched at under $500. That's the price they touted before it launched in almost every press release that mentioned price.
Now that it has launched worldwide, there's no need for that $499 price to point at.

No doubt. I ended up having to get my 2nd 20GB ps3 on ebay b/c i went to the local ebgames, circuit city, and best buy, and when I asked them about getting 20GB ps3's, THEY ALL SAID THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN NO 20GIG MODELS SINCE LAUNCH DAY.

This was a premeditated move if ever I've seen one. When the local stores aren't even getting 2nd shipments of 20gig models, it is obvious that this is a decision that was made from the top-down. The "90%" sales figure is truly a manufactured percentage accomplished by withholding units.


As for those wondering why anyone would want a 20GB model rather than a 60gb model for a hundred bucks more:

1) a lot of us don't need or want card slots or wifi. A lot of us have wireless access points, media servers, etc networked in our home theater anyway
2) you can replace the 20GB HDD w/ a 160gb HDD for the hundred dollar difference
3) as mentioned before, sony's wifi implementation has apparently been spotty at best, and some seem to think that it has had a lot to do w/ the BR freezing issue. Not a single stutter from either of my 20gb ps3's...

Some could be so bold as to say that the 60GB model might be a better candidate for the tard pack for the ps3 (alright, I'm exaggerating. I just think that the 20GB is a damn bargain for what you get)

I do I bought a gaming system that doesnt have any games. I have resistance and im really not that impressed :rolleyes: , I only bought it cause I really had no choice.

:D Did you file a police report against whomever held a gun to your head to buy the thing?

Return it. Sell it. Trade it. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.

Graphics may be dated by the Wii delivers a next-gen experience for almost $300 less than PS3 and $200 less than the Elite. Unreal! :confused:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I don't think a gimmicky slow-reacting controller makes a system next gen (obviously many in the market might disagree with me). If the Wii didn't have some solid Nintendo games out for it I'd be ebaying mine in an instant. To me even the new Wii games are nostalgic (hopefully Mario Galaxy ups the ante). The coolness of the WiiMote was lost on me after about half an hour. I can see what non-gamers love the WiiMote, but I don't see the same allure to hardcore gamers. When I think of Next Gen, I think of the 360 and the PS3.

To each their own. Peace.

I guess your right. I hope I don't have to use the warranty, but bought it because it was the first run of systems. I guess it is just the point of not being able to deliver. I own a PC repair shop and if I sell a warranty on something and they stop making the product (which happens alot) I replace it with a part that is "New" and of equal or greater performance. If I didn't do that I wouldn't be in business long.

IMO your heart is in the right place, and they should honor a replacement with whatever they have available if you have a valid claim. Don't sell me an extra warranty and they cry when I have to make a valid claim. That's not the way insurance works... if they take umbrage, take it up with Sony discontinuing the product, not the guy you conned into buying your after-market warranty.

That being said, you might as well wait to burn that bridge if you ever get there. Learn to pick your battles in life and you'll be way less stressed out. :)

And on the OP- clearly a move by Sony to limit the bleeding. Not unexpected given the reports of the difficulty in finding 20GB models in the wild.

I would have bought the 20GB model because I didn't need the card slot or wireless and would have loved to have saved $100 when I did get around to buying (no games I care about yet). That it was also the best BD player at the lowest cost had to factor into the decision somewhere as well. I know many people that bought it just for that reason. I had already cast my lot in the A1 last June, so it was a no-sell for me based on HD movie playback (and the forced bluetooth connectivity bit- grr).

I agree, sony screwed themselves by doing this.
For $40 less than a 60GB, i have 120GB stable PS3 :)
Now, who wouldn't want that !

Dumb move by Sony. There's nothing wrong with the 20 gig model for a majority of the consumers out there. Just when MS did a boneheaded move with the Elite, it seems like Sony decided to outdo them and make an even more stupid move. Who would have thought that just as MS narrows the price gap, Sony would want to widen it?

agree.... i know why both companies did what they did but both are pretty boneheaded moves imo.

i have a 360 premium right now and was planning on getting the 20 gig ps3 but looks like that might be much more difficult now. The 60 gig version is still just too expensive for me so Im going to have to wait a year or two till we see a price drop to go hd/bd neutral.

I was going to get a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player. In my mind, the price of the cheapest Blu-Ray just went up $100. The extra HD space would have been nice, but the WiFi and card readers are useless to me personally the way my HT is setup. It's kind of a bummer. $600 is an awful lot for a video game system.

Crap, I was hoping to find a 20GB unit somewhere around KC this weekend. I've held off picking up a PS3 because of some job instability over the past few months and I didn't want to spend 500-600 bucks that I might need for food in the near future. Now I'm on more stable ground and looking to round out my next-gen collection (I already have a Wii and 360).

I was interested in picking up a 20GB, because the PS3 is going to be less than 10 feet from my router, and I don't have any media stored on any cards (I have a couple of thumb-drives, but that's it). Oh well, if I can't find a store near me with one, I might hit up e-Bay and look for one at or below retail.

kmart.com has the 20 GB in stock (though not for long I'm sure):

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/ProductDisplay?partNumber=9990000022338511P&langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10104


Looks like they are out of stock...

I guess I won't be buying a ps3 anytime soon :mad: I really didn't care for the wifi or the bigger hd. My wait for a cheap blu-ray player has just increased.

In my mind, the price of the cheapest Blu-Ray just went up $100.This is exactly the first thing I thought of. The 20GB player was the most bang for the buck as a blu-ray player. I'm not a gamer, but an AV enthusiast. I got an XBOX 360 to toy with the MCE capabilities and as a cheap way to test the waters of HD-DVD. $499 was right on the cusp of acceptability for me to buy the 20GB unit solely as a Blu-Ray player, and I was thinking of jumping in. However, $100 more somehow crosses the line for me. I'm going to wait now for the right standalone Blu-Ray player at the right price.

I still think the 60GB is not a bad deal for gamers who will also use it as a blu-ray player (I guess), but unless I can find a 20GB model, this move has put me off blu-ray for a little while longer.

Why in the world would someone pay a premium for a 20G when the 60G is only $100 more than the retail price of the 20G?

people paid over $1k for any PS3 on release day and some time after, also because some places still dont have any PS3's on shelves.

matter of fact, I just got offered a nice bit to get some 20's for some peeps who want to play NCAA and Madden... It's amazing whats at these companies warehouses :rolleyes: ;)

Nice one Sony shoot yourself in the ass again as if you arent already a sinking ship.

First Microsoft releases their overpriced heater, Sony bashes it saying "20 bucks more gets you all that and a bag of chips with a BR player"...Then discontinues the 20gig model because of them losing to much money making the elite seem a lot more like a good deal.

Dumb ****ers.

people paid over $1k for any PS3 on release day and some time after, also because some places still dont have any PS3's on shelves.

matter of fact, I just got offered a nice bit to get some 20's for some peeps who want to play NCAA and Madden... It's amazing whats at these companies warehouses :rolleyes: ;)
Well like the guy said, there's a sucker born every minute!