Did anyone buy this yet? Does it work for you? Reading reports that PS3's have issues with the audio...

I've read one report, and no one else seems to be able to duplicate it.
I'm picking it up tonight or tomorrow.

There are confirmed problems with many standalone units however. Units that do not have the java capability and have not way be being updated to use it.

The problem with the audio appears to be an ID10T error, it was tested on the PS3 and should be fully working.

If you want the title and are concerned you should probably contact the company.

Where is at for sale at?

Release date is April 17th. Are places already selling it?

http://www.digitalleisure.com/

Doesn't say anything about a pre-order...

I thought the release date was next Tuesday?

I've got it on pre-order from Amazon, but it hasn't shipped yet.

http://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Lair-Rick-Dyer/dp/B000IMUYRE******pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1587435-5523915?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1176386726&sr=8-1

http://www.digitalleisure.com/

Doesn't say anything about a pre-order...


It could very well be available from them a week early. I'll wait a week and not buy it for $50, thanks. :D

It could very well be available from them a week early. I'll wait a week and not buy it for $50, thanks. :D

I think that is $50 Canadian, but the 27.95 no tax free shipping on Amazon is very very interesting...

I think that is $50 Canadian, but the 27.95 no tax free shipping on Amazon is very very interesting...


According to their website, it's $49.95USD. And, I just noticed that if you click through to the product page in their store, it says:

Pre Order Now for an expected April 2007 release!

Yeah, its not out yet.

Heres a review,

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/dragonslair.html

I have it for the original Xbox (not 360). Does that count? :D

I have it for the original Xbox (not 360). Does that count? :D

No, that's Dragon's Lair 3D. It's not the same game. :)

I'm passing on this one because it doesn't have an OAR (4:3) option. The 16x9 is a chop job. With around 25 minutes of footage, you'd think they would have had room for both framings.

It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out. I wonder what master of the footage they use for 1080p? Since the original game was on LD, the DVD version was just about as good as you got at the arcade. I wonder if they have the original film master somewhere and created this 1080p version from it, or they just upscale what was on the LD?

I'm passing on this one because it doesn't have an OAR (4:3) option. The 16x9 is a chop job. With around 25 minutes of footage, you'd think they would have had room for both framings.

I won't be passing on this or the others to come, but I was curious about the aspect ratio and I was hoping it would have the original aspect ratio as well. I agree that they should have put both versions in.

Does anybody know which retailers will be carrying this in-store? I would prefer to not have to order directly from Digital Leisure or any other online site. Will Wal-mart, Best Buy, or EB Games be selling it?

JD

It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out. I wonder what master of the footage they use for 1080p? Since the original game was on LD, the DVD version was just about as good as you got at the arcade. I wonder if they have the original film master somewhere and created this 1080p version from it, or they just upscale what was on the LD?


They went back to the original film master from the vault, converted to HD, and cleaned up the image at that point, I believe. It was in one of the interviews.

I won't be passing on this or the others to come, but I was curious about the aspect ratio and I was hoping it would have the original aspect ratio as well. I agree that they should have put both versions in.

Does anybody know which retailers will be carrying this in-store? I would prefer to not have to order directly from Digital Leisure or any other online site. Will Wal-mart, Best Buy, or EB Games be selling it?

JD

Hopefully, they'll correct the omission with Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II and include the original aspect ratio, too. It might not be a bad idea to email them and mention that it would be well received. I can't imagine that Digital Leisure is big enough that the emails wouldn't be noticed, at least.

I'm sure someone will be carrying the disc at a B&M, but it might be priced closer to the $49.95 and not the $28 from Amazon. Target online should have it through Amazon. If you find it at a retail location, they might price match their own online price, but apparently that is met with spotty success.

although my fondness for dragons lair is large.... i have a tough time paying 50 bucks for it versus say motostorm, or any number of other games.

Hope it drops in price someday soon.

although my fondness for dragons lair is large.... i have a tough time paying 50 bucks for it versus say motostorm, or any number of other games.

Hope it drops in price someday soon.

It's been mentioned many times that it's only $28 from Amazon, which is a good bit less than the $50 direct from Digital Leisure.

33.85 on buy.com but use Google checkout (1st time user) for an additional $10 off

http://www.buy.com/prod/dragons-lair-br-ps3/q/loc/322/202883761.html

yea, i wanna play this game...

33.85 on buy.com but use Google checkout (1st time user) for an additional $10 off

http://www.buy.com/prod/dragons-lair-br-ps3/q/loc/322/202883761.html

Does that apply to all Blu-Ray? Also, am I still able to use those $10 off manufacturer coupons that came with the PS3?

It's been mentioned many times that it's only $28 from Amazon, which is a good bit less than the $50 direct from Digital Leisure.

i'm not in the usa.

i'm not in the usa.

Amazon ships worldwide.

Well, I picked up my copy of Dragon's Lair this evening at EB Games. They only got one copy in.

As I did not have too much time to mess around with it yet, I must say that I am liking what I have seen so far. :)

But, I have a couple of issues.

I like the menus but I feel they don't flow as well as they should. When you select a sub menu to go to, the screen goes blank and it loads the next menu. Also there are some glitches in the menus. Two seperate menus I went to, it loaded the background image for a split second and then went black and never came back so all you were left with were the menu overlays. The other issue I have is what SirDrexl said about the lack of the orginal aspect ratio. It would have been nice to have that option.

That being said though, the quality of the new HD transfer is very good. It looks the best it ever has. There is even a section in the menus that shows the last level in Singe's lair in a split screen mode showing the new HD transfer on the right side of the screen and on the left side it shows a comparison of all the other versions from the Amiga version to the orginal LD to the DVD version and various PC versions. This gives you the opportunity to see the quality of the HD transfer.

As a huge fan of Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, and DL2: Time Warp, I am very happy with this version. It is so much better than the DVD's. Though to this day, I still kick myself repeatedly for getting rid of my ORIGINAL laserdisc collection of these games that I made into full working versions with my Amiga 500 and my Pioneer LDV4200 industrial player. :(

This is meant for die hard fans as not everyone will enjoy it for the price.

JD

Can you use the PS3 controller, or do you have to use the remote?

Either one. The d-pad and X pad are used on the controller.

JD

It's made for a BD player remote, but it just so happens that the PS3 D-pad would work as well, because it controls those functions. It's not really a PS3 game; it's a Blu-ray Disc game. :)

Sorry, but I had to respond to the error code I saw when I read this thread. Is ID10T a real code? Is it a joke from Sony - it looks too close to IDIOT to be an accident? Some programmer must have been in a funky mood when the error codes were being created.

i'm not in the usa.

In that case, you might want to check the region coding to make sure it works in your player. I don't know if it's an issue, or not. I haven't had to worry about it.

Well, I picked up my copy of Dragon's Lair this evening at EB Games. They only got one copy in.

R2-JD,

Do death's in the game move you forward to the next scene, or do they make you repeat the failed section? A review stated that the game rewards one for sucking because it moves you forward even when you fail a section. Is this true? Is there no option for getting the game to make you immediately replay a failed section (like the arcade did)?

R2-JD,

Do death's in the game move you forward to the next scene, or do they make you repeat the failed section? A review stated that the game rewards one for sucking because it moves you forward even when you fail a section. Is this true? Is there no option for getting the game to make you immediately replay a failed section (like the arcade did)?

Yes, whenever I would die, it would put me on to the next section. I switched it from HOME to ARCADE and it did the same thing but it did bring me back to that section later on.

JD

I wonder if they're going to release MadDog MacRee next, all though that was a light gun/laserdisc game.

ID10T

is not a REAL error code.

Look at it from afar.

what does it spell...

;)

So - I am going to look for copies today at the EB's in town...

Amazon sent me an email saying their shipments of Dragon's Lair-BD will be delayed.

Strange that it's available at retail but Amazon can't ship out their pre-orders. :mad:

Shipping from Amazon has been delayed again. :mad:

I guess it's either pay the $50+ to have it shipped from Canada, or wait to see if it shows up someday in Amazon's warehouses. :rolleyes:

Shipping from Amazon has been delayed again. :mad:

I guess it's either pay the $50+ to have it shipped from Canada, or wait to see if it shows up someday in Amazon's warehouses. :rolleyes:

My copy just arrived. It shipped from Amazon on Monday. When did you preorder? I placed my order back on April 6th.

My copy just arrived. It shipped from Amazon on Monday. When did you preorder? I placed my order back on April 6th.

April 13th. ...I believe it was a Friday... :eek:

"Delivery estimate: July 5, 2007" :rolleyes:

I ordered mine on 4/9 from amazon and they say Delivery estimate: July 5, 2007 - July 7, 2007

Dragons Lair is fun...for about 8 minutes, then you realize what the game is...you've seen the same scenes a dozen times overand you kinda go "Fifty Bucks?".

As for them going back to the master animation, I'm in a (sane) minority who understands that hand-drawn animation doesn't hold any extra detail that you're thinking you're going to see at 1080i/p than you would at 480p (or even 480i in some cases).

You're going to see grain, you may see brush strokes from the hand painting, you aren't going to see any more detail however, so I agree with the 480p DVD comment above: Whats the point except to milk a few more bucks out of people for a reverse pan-and-scan.

Digital Leisure is always to be commended for keeping the flame alight, but I think this release is pushing it, to be honest.

actually I do see more detail in hand drawn animations than 480p, because there simply is more... I guess I'm just a person with normal vision :eek: It clearly shows in Disney animated movies on DVD that the resolution is limiting detail to my eyes, even on the better transfers like the Special Edition of Lion King.

Compare and art cell to a grab from a DVD there is a huge difference, compare the DVD to having watched it in the theater, huge difference there as well. Granted it still looks good but the more more lines of resolution bring it closer to the real life art the original intent of the film. This is what many of us Home Theater enthusiasts are after. One of the big reasons I love blu-ray movies :D I'll be picking up Lion King on day one if they bring it to blu-ray, which they should.

hand-drawn animation doesn't hold any extra detail that you're thinking you're going to see at 1080i/p than you would at 480p

:rolleyes:

There you go again!

I have to keep in mind this is coming from the guy who says "Guitar Hero = Mattel Simon". :p

It's not about "extra detail" -- it's simply "blurry vs. sharp". We are playing on larger screens in HTs now, and I enjoying seeing things I like, no matter how old, in HD.

...Now if your argument is Dragon's Lair, as a game, is teh suck... I can't defend the game there. I know most people blame it for the birth of the evil QTE gameplay, which doesn't bother me. I just think it's historically interesting, significant, and I'm quite fond it. :o

I thought Lion King was done on computers, not hand-drawn and inked....?

On something like DL there is an increase in sharpness and color fidelity due to the medium, but seeing added detail? I don't think so. I think its a serious case of people wanting to see something that isn't there, like UFO's or Paris Hilton's Brain....

This changes of course as soon as you bring computers into the mix, but Don Bluth did all that stuff by hand (or his studio did, I should say). Daver J, who insists on being wrong (heh heh), pointed me to a HD sample of the new 16:9 footage online.

All I saw was a terrible example of grain and moire patterns. The sparklies in Daphne's dress were no more or less detailed, the flat colors and shading of Dirk were no more detailed, there was simply a slight bit of sharpening. I mean I can understand if you are talking about an artist who initially did a drawing that was hyper detailed, this is old school Disney quality stuff, its not like the hyper-detailed Japanese Anime done in the 90's.

I remember seeing some anime in HD...I think the movie was called SPRIGGEN. It was typical anime cra..err..stuff, the usual convoluted storylines, the usual level of violence, but I remember being so unimpressed by seeing it in HD. Some long shots looked good, everything else...I may as well have been watching a DVD..

Of course I keep an open mind, so if someone can point me to some screenshot comparisons that show this extra detail, I'd welcome the opportunity to see it.

I thought Lion King was done on computers, not hand-drawn and inked....?

^^ 'nuff said. :p

[QUOTE=HeadRusch]..

You should seriously just speak about your own limitations just as in the audio discussions we have had in the past. This is a science forum after all. Your limitations aren't mine or many other people here and in the rest of the world. Don't take that as a jab, but just something to be aware of.

Lion King had some segments done with computers, but not the entire movie by any stretch. For example the stampede used PC's. Of course editing, etc is done on computers these days but that's not the same as the original source.

If my ability to distinguish sound and visuals are limited, perhaps your ability to not be a sheep to the marketing gurus of Madison Avenue is also in question.

I think, ultimately, we have differing opinions of just what "better" actually is. You seem like the kinda guy who gets a slice of cheesecake and goes "Wow thats awesome!". Then someone puts a spoonfull of Strawberries on top and you go "WOW THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER!". I'm more likely to go "Wow...strawberries".

I need a little more to justify jumping into the cheering crowd, whereas others here need only a new press release to suddenly begin trashing the old and raising the new to great heights of hypedom. I never said lossless audio wasn't better, I said most people wont hear the difference: (See: SACD and DVDA).

CD's are more than enough sound quality for 95% of humanity, they own the **** out of tapes and LP's and of course MP3's.

DVD's, I believe, now occupy that same place in peoples hearts..they destroy VHS and Laserdisc for the most part. But People see BD and go "And I'm supposed to be seeing what that is so-much-better again?". I own a BD player, I own an HDDVD player, and even I will likely never own more than 20 discs because there are so few movies that I think will actually benefit SIGNIFICANTLY from the bump up to HD.

Dragons Lair, a hand-drawn videogame from the early 1980's is something that I dont believe improves by any perceivable margin by rendering it at 1080p

Anyways...I've never seen Lion King in its entirety, just bits here and there...Disney isn't my thing, but I've seen the stampede shots and lots of other shots and they dont look hand drawn, they look computer assisted. IE: drawn on the computer, animated on the computer...colored on the computer, but 2D not 3D obviously. I thought this was the technique that most of those animation houses used these days.

sheep now, lol ok :rolleyes: It has nothing to do with marketing. Of course I can't demonstrate to the man with one ear the benefits of stereo or surround sound. Of course the man with one ear does understand the the world is bigger than him and he has limitations that others don't unlike some people. Some people I guess would rather choose to stay in the cave of ignorance :eek: , I personally don't take that approach. Audio Video Science Forum really isn't a place I'd recommend for those types.

sheep now, lol ok :rolleyes: It has nothing to do with marketing. Of course I can't demonstrate to the man with one ear the benefits of stereo or surround sound. Of course the man with one ear does understand the the world is bigger than him and he has limitations that others don't unlike some people. Some people I guess would rather choose to stay in the cave of ignorance :eek: , I personally don't take that approach. Audio Video Science Forum really isn't a place I'd recommend for those types.

There is nothing ignorant about my opinion. When I'm exposed to sufficient evidence to change my opinion, I will do so. Ignorance would be not changing my opinion, even after presented with irrefutable evidence. I've seen the full size caps of DL at 1080p. I remain unimpressed. To me, lateral move.

Enjoy your Dragons Lair.

if someone can point me to some screenshot comparisons that show this extra detail, I'd welcome the opportunity to see it.

I don't know why you're stuck on lost or hidden detail, but this is the best comparison I could make with my limited photoshop abilities. I leave it up to you to decide which is the old version and which is new:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb68/DaverJ/DLcompare.jpg

...and with that posted, maybe it proves each side of the discussion? :confused:

I don't know why you're stuck on lost or hidden detail, but this is the best comparison I could make with my limited photoshop abilities. I leave it up to you to decide which is the old version and which is new:

[IMG]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb68/DaverJ/DLcompare.jpg/IMG]

...and with that posted, maybe it proves each side of the discussion? :confused:

smear enough vaseline over it to simulate a person with sub-standard visibility and they look the same!!

I just watched the 1080p trailer again from Digital Leisure.....and the paused screenshots kinda sorta look like your screen grab above, then I fired up DAPHNE and on my mamecab the screenshots I paused on didn't look anywhere near as bad as your cap on the left.

Is that the VCD version or something!?

Anyhow, I'll say it again since you guys clearly didn't hear me the first time:
Enjoy
Your
Dragons
Lair

Well, it finally shipped from Amazon. Now I can look forward to a couple minutes of gameplay early next week before I finally ask myself "why did I buy this?" :D

DL is one of those games i find facinating and historically significant in a gaming sense, but I don't deny that, as a game... it sucks. Still -- I'm quiet fond of it. :o

Did anyone buy this yet? Does it work for you? Reading reports that PS3's have issues with the audio...


I have it, there are no audio issues. I've played every version of this game that's been released over the last 10 years and this is by far the best it's ever looked. It's also nice to be able to play with the PS3 controller instead of a DVD remote.

Sorry - someone had posted some information about the free DAPHNE emulator - for Dragons Lair and I can't find it again...

Does anyone have that link?

Sorry - someone had posted some information about the free DAPHNE emulator - for Dragons Lair and I can't find it again...

Does anyone have that link?

Here it is. (http://www.daphne-emu.com/site3/index_hi.php)

Heads up: you need to own a version of Dragon's Lair, DL2 or Space Ace DVD (or DVD-ROM) to play those games. Also, there's a long download involved once you install.

I finally picked this up from Amazon (they had a good price for it) and boy am I glad I did. It brings back some memories. I shudder to think how much I wasted on that game back when I played when I was younger. Funny thing is I still suck at it.:D

I am impressed with how good it looks. The sound though seems to be on the soft side. The game play is responsive and the scenes transition pretty smoothly. I'm looking forward to getting DL II and Space Ace although I never did play Space Ace.

i found this on Netflix so I stuck it in my queue

Amazon has it on BD for 19.95. Surprisingly the HDDVD version is 27.95. :rolleyes:

I think 20 bones is worth the trip back to the Gameroom, cutting class, dumping quarters in this game, Rushin' Attack, Joust, Bump N' Jump. Oh yea, that damn X and O football game with the giant track balls. :D

Amazon has it on BD for 19.95. Surprisingly the HDDVD version is 27.95. :rolleyes:

I think 20 bones is worth the trip back to the Gameroom, cutting class, dumping quarters in this game, Rushin' Attack, Joust, Bump N' Jump. Oh yea, that damn X and O football game with the giant track balls. :D

For $20 I'm buying it now...Free shipping if you spend $25 so I guess I'm throwing Stargate Blu-ray on the order too!

For $20 I'm buying it now...Free shipping if you spend $25 so I guess I'm throwing Stargate Blu-ray on the order too!

Just to add to this old thread...

The PS3 with the 2.1FW does fully support all the features of this disc, including the 5 life limit.:cool:

Sorry, but I had to respond to the error code I saw when I read this thread. Is ID10T a real code? Is it a joke from Sony - it looks too close to IDIOT to be an accident? Some programmer must have been in a funky mood when the error codes were being created.

Wow.

I the arcades I remember the "hints" on where to move but I don't see them anywhere on the disc :(

Sorry, but I had to respond to the error code I saw when I read this thread. Is ID10T a real code? Is it a joke from Sony - it looks too close to IDIOT to be an accident? Some programmer must have been in a funky mood when the error codes were being created.
ID10T is the error code displayed whenever there is a PEBCAK fault.

I the arcades I remember the "hints" on where to move but I don't see them anywhere on the disc :(
From what I have played it will give you hints on certain segments, but I believe it is setup to show which direction to go after you have made the correct choice. The thing that gets me is when you do one section like getting onto the horse facing the right side then the next game you play he gets on the horse facing the left side. It throws off which way I need to go for that sequence!:D Makes the game longer. I still have not beaten it yet, but am taking my time since I'm in no big rush. I am curious when the next games come out though.