View Full Version : Time Warner Cable doesn't know jack about lcd/plasma


StinDaWg
04-13-07, 08:31 PM
I was looking at this "informational" video on Time Warner's website, and couldn't count the amount of misinformation they give the customer. Here are some of the ones I caught that were wrong/misleading..

First they say that to use the HD box requires a HDTV. (No it doesn't you can plug it to any regular tv through component and still get the HD channels)

Plasma:
-Plasma available in 32"-61" (There is no 32" available)
-Plasma cost less than lcd (maybe at larger sizes but most 42" lcd are cheaper than 42" plasma)
-Life expectancy is limited, might need to be replaced or recharged (LOL there is no such thing as recharging a plasma, and their life expectancy is the same as lcd)
-Not recommended for computers or video games (that's debatable, I know many who game and some who use as a computer monitor)

Lcd:
-Uses less energy (debatable)
-Specifically designed to be used with computers (What's this even mean?)
-LCD costs more (refer back to above)

Gotta love those morons over at Time Warner, now if only they would get me some more HD channels for my plasma before it needs recharged! :D

http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/products/cable/hdtv.html

lexx_kun
04-13-07, 10:36 PM
With one exception, all those points were/are true:

-There are 32" plasmas for sale. Try a google search.
-At one point in time, plasmas DID cost less than LCD TVs. Back when Plasma was a mature technology & LCD was new & consequently had tons of markup. Plasmas have been around 42-50" for a long time now, LCD sets had to climb up to that size & the bigger panels were always priced sky-high.
-Life expectancy / leaks / recharging: yes, that's an urban legend.
-Plasmas to this day are never recommended for gaming or PC use by manufacturers. Read your warranty & manual. Burn-in & IR are have been largely mitigated these days, but plasma displays have been around for a long time, and things weren't always so rosy.

LCDS:

-Use less energy on average. Tune a 2006-era 50" plasma & 50" LCD to decent levels & the plasma will always consume more power. It's not an order of magnitude more, but it is more.
-Yes, LCD displays were specifically designed to be used with computers. From their genesis, plasma displays were broadcast industry devices & LCDs were used for computing devices. Look at the 1:1 pixel mapping across the consumer lineup. For computing applications, LCDs didn't need the overscan to compensate for broadcast industry quirks.
-Cost: already been addressed.

To be quite frank, you're just trying to stir shiat up. Stop trolling & go back to work. I get the impression your wealth of knowledge in this field is limited to what you read on internet forums like AVS.

I'd suggest that when you see something that is at odds with the information you have available to you, first do some research to clear it up ;)

StinDaWg
04-13-07, 11:50 PM
With one exception, all those points were/are true:

-There are 32" plasmas for sale. Try a google search.
-At one point in time, plasmas DID cost less than LCD TVs. Back when Plasma was a mature technology & LCD was new & consequently had tons of markup. Plasmas have been around 42-50" for a long time now, LCD sets had to climb up to that size & the bigger panels were always priced sky-high.
-Life expectancy / leaks / recharging: yes, that's an urban legend.
-Plasmas to this day are never recommended for gaming or PC use by manufacturers. Read your warranty & manual. Burn-in & IR are have been largely mitigated these days, but plasma displays have been around for a long time, and things weren't always so rosy.

LCDS:

-Use less energy on average. Tune a 2006-era 50" plasma & 50" LCD to decent levels & the plasma will always consume more power. It's not an order of magnitude more, but it is more.
-Yes, LCD displays were specifically designed to be used with computers. From their genesis, plasma displays were broadcast industry devices & LCDs were used for computing devices. Look at the 1:1 pixel mapping across the consumer lineup. For computing applications, LCDs didn't need the overscan to compensate for broadcast industry quirks.
-Cost: already been addressed.

To be quite frank, you're just trying to stir shiat up. Stop trolling & go back to work. I get the impression your wealth of knowledge in this field is limited to what you read on internet forums like AVS.

I'd suggest that when you see something that is at odds with the information you have available to you, first do some research to clear it up ;)
Ohhhh tough guy.

Elemental1
04-14-07, 12:55 PM
Ohhhh tough guy.

Lol..just don't tell those guys using plasma + computers. :rolleyes:
LCD pushers will say just about anything. ;)

phipp01
04-14-07, 06:55 PM
Well I googled 32" plasma and came up with a USED Philips on Amazon LMAO. And I know plenty of people who use their PDP as a monitor also. Looks like Lexx has a "vast" amount on knowledge on this :rolleyes: . Lexx needs to stop trolling and go back to work :D

Nmlobo
04-14-07, 07:41 PM
Well I googled 32" plasma and came up with a USED Philips on Amazon LMAO. And I know plenty of people who use their PDP as a monitor also. Looks like Lexx has a "vast" amount on knowledge on this :rolleyes: . Lexx needs to stop trolling and go back to work :D

There are new 32" PDPs still for sale. They may be older models but they are new/unused. I googled 32" Plasma and found NEW Philips 32FD9954 32" Plasma TVs for sale at Compu America (http://www.compu-america.com/ProdDisplay.asp?CatID=167&ProdID=232031&ExportID=6). I also found a new Hitachi 32PD3000 (in the UK). Of course there are several used models also for sale. I believe all are EDTVs

Star56
04-15-07, 03:39 PM
??? No this really is a bizzare video. The "recharged" comment is over the top nonsense. I honestly have not heard this silliness mentioned for a few years. Also the limited life expectancy is at least two years out of date with 60,000hrs+ plasmas widely available.

Strange strange stuff!

StinDaWg
04-16-07, 02:48 AM
There are new 32" PDPs still for sale. They may be older models but they are new/unused. I googled 32" Plasma and found NEW Philips 32FD9954 32" Plasma TVs for sale at Compu America (http://www.compu-america.com/ProdDisplay.asp?CatID=167&ProdID=232031&ExportID=6). I also found a new Hitachi 32PD3000 (in the UK). Of course there are several used models also for sale. I believe all are EDTVs
LOL 32" plasma with 400:1 CR for $1,900? You've got to be some kind of idiot.. (not you, whoever would be dumb enough to buy that) :eek:

Nmlobo
04-16-07, 05:30 AM
That's most likely why they remain "new" and are still available. ;)

lexx_kun
04-16-07, 12:37 PM
So, in summary: There is one piece of information which is factually untrue in the video.

My take on it was the video was made with old data. No need for angsty rhetoric.

wsfanatic
04-22-07, 09:59 PM
They say that to use the HD box requires a HDTV. (No it doesn't you can plug it to any regular tv through component and still get the HD channels)
Depending on how one interprets this statement, it could be construed as right or wrong. From Time Warner's point of view, they are correct in saying that the HD box requires a HDTV because if you "plug it to any regular TV through component," you have access to the HD channels but you are NOT actually seeing an HD picture. From your point of view, you would be correct in assuming that their statement is false because you can use the HD box to receive HD channels but you are not fully utilizing the capabilities of the HD box.