I am putting together a blended CRT projector rig. The blender (Analog Way Diventx DVX-8022) has 8 inputs, including DVI, component, RGBHV, and HDSDI. There is no HDMI input on the DVX-8022. I would like to feed the DVX-8022 a 1080P signal. Is there a Bluray player that puts out 1080P over DVI, component, RGBHV or HDSDI?

If not, what other solution would I have to get a 1080P signal into the DVX-8022?

All BD players I think at this point output 1080p.

All BD players I think at this point output 1080p.
But IIRC, none provide 1080p over component, RGBHV or HDSDI.
So that leaves you with DVI, or HDMI to DVI adapter/cable...
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Or, since the blendzilla IIRC can't handle the full 1080P anyways, it'll have to scale the input even if you do feed it 1080P. You'll want to avoid double scaling. So you might as well just feed 1080i to the blendzilla and let it do the deinterlacing.

Pretty sure it's over HDMI only for both Blu-Ray and HD DVD (1080p for all BD players and 1080p for two HD DVD players as of now). Component downscales to 480p for both formats. Only the XBox addon sends a signal via RGBHV (1080p I believe, but it's HD DVD). I run HDMI from the Toshiba HD DVD player to a Lumagen (gamma corrected) then 1080p to my G90. MY pj thinks it has died and gone to video heaven.

Cheers,

Grant

Pretty sure it's over HDMI only for both Blu-Ray and HD DVD (1080p for all BD players and 1080p for two HD DVD players as of now). Component downscales to 480p for both formats. Only the XBox addon sends a signal via RGBHV (1080p I believe, but it's HD DVD).
The only issue I'd take with this is the part about component downscaling to 480p, which is not currently true. Since none of the titles released for either format so far has had the Image Constraint Token (ICT) set, the players will indeed output 720p or 1080i over component.

That could change in the future, of course. If it did, then the component output will be limited to 540p. FYI.

SC

Clarence, is the Analog Way box's DVI input HDCP-capable? If so, will it accept an encrypted stream and still output the blended signal via analog?

SC

BD and HDDVD are allowing 1080i over component, yet for some reason they don't allow standard-def DVDs upscaled over component, only over HDMI/DVI :rolleyes:

I don't know the official stance on HDCP through the blendzilla. And I didn't mess with the inputs at all at Cliff's. We'll have to check with Cliff to see exactly how he was feeding HDDVD and BD to the DVX. Component? or HDMI from a VP30/VP50?

BD and HDDVD are allowing 1080i over component, yet for some reason they don't allow standard-def DVDs upscaled over component, only over HDMI/DVI :rolleyes:

I don't know the official stance on HDCP through the blendzilla. And I didn't mess with the inputs at all at Cliff's. We'll have to check with Cliff to see exactly how he was feeding HDDVD and BD to the DVX. Component? or HDMI from a VP30/VP50?

Clarence,

I fed component 1080i from the Toshiba HD-A1 and PS3 BD directly into the Zilla and let it scale.

The BEST option would be to feed HDMI like I am now through all sources to a good scaler and output from moome's new external hdmi box RGBHV to the Zilla. Unfortunately, the box isn't ready for sale yet (moome's).

Hope this helps.

Cliff

HCDP is not supported by the DVX over DVI. You will need a stripper if you want to connect it this way.

Your other options are to get your BD player HD-SDI modded for 1080p24 output, the DVX will accept this.

Or to go via component to the DVX, but I don't like the DI ability of the DVX, so perhaps get a VP50 to deinterlace 1080i then to the DVX

The DVX does the edge blending processing in the digital domain (e.g. if the image is fed via component or RGBHV it will digitize the signal before splitting it in two and applying blending), so it is better to feed the video directly over DVI-D to avoid back and forth conversions.

That being said, the DVX does NOT support HDCP encryption which is required for BR/HDDVD players to output HD signals over DVI/HDMI.

My recommendation is to get a HDCP stripper (Moome has one IIRC, there's also the Dtrovision DD-12P... but both are hard to find) and feed the DVX over DVI-D.

I believe you can also get the SDI route, although I have not tried that myself or have plans to do it.

Feeding the DVX a 1080p/1080i component signal would likely work, but you will be loosing something PQ wise.

William,

Although you didn't ask, you may also want to consider feeding the Marquees DVI-D with Moome's DVI or HDMI cards.

Gino and I will be testing outputting DVI vs. RGBHV from the Zilla in about two weeks time :D

William,

Although you didn't ask, you may also want to consider feeding the Marquees DVI-D with Moome's DVI or HDMI cards.

Gino and I will be testing outputting DVI vs. RGBHV from the Zilla in about two weeks time :D


Andres

What dates exactly is Gino visiting?

you have email Tim

Stay posted, there just maybe one of these badboys at the meet :D !




The BEST option would be to feed HDMI like I am now through all sources to a good scaler and output from moome's new external hdmi box RGBHV to the Zilla. Unfortunately, the box isn't ready for sale yet (moome's).

.Cliff

Mike and John are creating a 1080P video chain for both of the Marquee Extreme projectors that will allow an objective unbiased casual observer to see the differences in picture quality displayed via the various video input paths discussed above. There should be some very interesting experiments occurring at the East Coast BlendZilla Meet in a little over 2 weeks. :)

As an aside, I have an email in to one of the Analog Way America VPs, asking for both the current BlendZilla 1080P input capabilities over DVI, Component, HDSDI, and RGBHV, and an indication as to when a true 1080P HDMI 1.3 HDCP compliant input might be available in the future.

As a further aside, I have requested that Pixel Magic provide the East Coast BlendZilla Meet with a loaner Crystalio II scalar to experiment with.

Mike and John are creating a 1080P video chain for both of the Marquee Extreme projectors that will allow an objective unbiased casual observer to see the differences in picture quality displayed via the various video input paths discussed above. There should be some very interesting experiments occurring at the East Coast BlendZilla Meet in a little over 2 weeks. :)

Yep, we hope to show how well 1080P looks on a system that will fully resolve the resolution.


1920x1080P @ 72hz = 223 mhz
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Andres

What dates exactly is Gino visiting?


Right before the meet: from April 28th to May 3rd.

. . .

As an aside, I have an email in to one of the Analog Way America VPs, asking for both the current BlendZilla 1080P input capabilities over DVI, Component, HDSDI, and RGBHV, and an indication as to when a true 1080P HDMI 1.3 HDCP compliant input might be available in the future. . . .

If I had a technical question, a VP is not the source I would go to. They tend to be very well versed in "teflon-speak" but not well versed in technical details.

Let us know what kind of response you get.

Dear GE Brown;

I like starting near the top. It tends to get more results, faster, than starting lower down. Thats why, for example, I deal exclusively with Tim Martin, CEO of Tim Martin Enterprises, or with Mike Parker, CEO of Mike Parker Enterprises. :)

Dear Current BlendZilla Owners Gino and Antorsae (or anyone else who knows);

Here is what I have been able to piece together, in terms of the BlendZilla's input capabilities, before any conversation with anyone at Analog Way:

DVI-D
720P/60
1080i/60
This input probably does other resolutions like 1080P/24, 48, 60 and/or 72

YUV
720P/60
1080i/60

RGBHV
No clue yet as to what this input will handle.

HD SDI
720P/50 and 60
1080i/50 and 60
1080P/24 and 30

Given that what is recorded on both HD DVDs and Bluray DVDs is 1080P/24, my design goal is a video chain that has the fewest number of digital to analog or analog to digital transitions, and no scaling, other than to either double or triple the frame rate to 48 or 72 frames per second. This, if achieved, will result in the highest quality picture being projected.

Then there is the whole BlendZilla output question: analog (RGBHV) versus digital (DVI-D). Given that, at a minimum, one digital to analog transition has to be made, is it better for that transition to occur in the BlendZilla or in the Marquee input card?

Gino and Antorsae, I am very interested in the results of your BlendZilla analog versus digital output experiment. Please post when you know. One question though. I would think that the results are highly dependent on the quality of the input card in the Marquees. There have been reported low IRE (black crush) issues with the Moome DVI input card. The results of your experiments might turn out different if the new Moome HDMI input card was used instead.

William

Pretty sure it's over HDMI only for both Blu-Ray and HD DVD (1080p for all BD players and 1080p for two HD DVD players as of now). Component downscales to 480p for both formats. Only the XBox addon sends a signal via RGBHV (1080p I believe, but it's HD DVD). I run HDMI from the Toshiba HD DVD player to a Lumagen (gamma corrected) then 1080p to my G90. MY pj thinks it has died and gone to video heaven.

Cheers,

Grant

Grant, how's that possible ?

aren't the VP's supposed to block an analogue output when fed with
a HDCP signal ?

Michael

Dear Gino and Antorsae:

Then there is the whole BlendZilla output question: analog (RGBHV) versus digital (DVI-D). Given that, at a minimum, one digital to analog transition has to be made, is it better for that transition to occur in the BlendZilla or in the Marquee input card?

Gino and Antorsae, I am very interested in the results of your BlendZilla analog versus digital output experiment. Please post when you know. One question though. I would think that the results are highly dependent on the quality of the input card in the Marquees. There have been reported low IRE (black crush) issues with the Moome DVI input card. The results of your experiments might turn out different if the new Moome HDMI input card was used instead.

Any BlendZilla in Spain results yet?

William

Dear Current BlendZilla Owners Gino and Antorsae (or anyone else who knows);

Here is what I have been able to piece together, in terms of the BlendZilla's input capabilities, before any conversation with anyone at Analog Way:

DVI-D
720P/60
1080i/60
1080P/60
This input probably does other resolutions like 1080P/24, 48, and/or 72

YUV
720P/60
1080i/60

RGBHV
No clue yet as to what this input will handle.

HD SDI
720P/50 and 60
1080i/50 and 60
1080P/24 and 30

I had an initial email exchange with the Analog Way VP. (I had also sent the same email request for information to the Chief Engineer. Unfortunately, he is out until May 2.) What I learned today was that the DVI-D input will also accept 1080P/60. I replied to his email asking if any of the above inputs would accept 1080P/48 or 1080P/72. Hope to have a reply tomorrow.

Still hope to hear from the BlendZilla Boys in Spain soon................

William

asking if any of the above inputs would accept 1080P/48 or 1080P/72Your best bet for feeding 1080p@47.95 and 1080p@71.928 will probably be RGBHV.

I saw a post (here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10310103&&#post10310103)) that mentioned 1080p@60/72 from the new Toshiba HD-A20 HDDVD player, but I haven't been able to find a source to confirm that the option is actually in the setup menu. I might end up trying one from BB to find out.

But worst case, I'll bring my HTPC to the meet... it has the X360 HDDVD drive connected via USB2 and I run it with powerstrip (and reclock and anydvd and powerdvd ultra) at 47.95 and 71.928

Although now I'm wondering if the X360 is fixed at 60Hz, so I might not be working with the original 24 frames, it's probably coming out of the drive as 60Hz, then getting another rate change to 48/72. So that might not be a real improvement. I'll have to look for a good judder test scene.

Clarence, it's just data coming out of the drive :)

What you're wondering really is whether PDVD is performing IVTC properly, or whether the video drivers are performing IVTC, or whether it's not happening properly at all (you'd get a start-stop-smooth-jump-smooth-jump random mess).

When I borrowed a Radeon x1950 I believe AVIVO (video drivers) was performing IVTC to 96hz, as reclock reported 29.976fps, which leads me to believe that PDVD was not. Anyway, it was smooth.

Mark

Still hope to hear from the BlendZilla Boys in Spain soon................

Sorry William, I have been in Barcelona, will be flying south to see Andres tomorrow morning, so will let you know asap.

I hope you were able to see the Sagrada Familia. One of the true wonders of the world.

Yes, saw it yesterday, amongst numerous others... you'd be suprised how much we managed to see in the little time we were here. Jess researched it for weeks to make sure we were as efficient as possible.

Cool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_familia

Spain and Australia are both on our short lists to visit.

I've been to 46 of the 50 states (missing ND, SD, ID, and WY).
Vacations in Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cancun, lots of Canada, and UK.