Has anyone compared the HO to the 3.3, head to head?
Really how much performance benefit does the HO offer over the 3.3.
I just sold my dual f113s and I want to try out other subs, especially ones I have never heard before. I have never heard any HSU sub and I am really curious now after all the readings and reviews and analysis I did here.
I don't expect dual HOs even with turbo to come close to dual f113s, but I do want to give it a listen.

Has anyone compared the HO to the 3.3, head to head?
Really how much performance benefit does the HO offer over the 3.3.
I just sold my dual f113s and I want to try out other subs, especially ones I have never heard before. I have never heard any HSU sub and I am really curious now after all the readings and reviews and analysis I did here.
I don't expect dual HOs even with turbo to come close to dual f113s, but I do want to give it a listen.how do you improve on a pair of dual f113's??? :confused: ...DIY for you my friend... ;) :D

how do you improve on a pair of dual f113's??? :confused: ...DIY for you my friend... ;) :D
Quad new Ultras maybe :).
Yes, I am seriously considering DIY. Since I have money in hand now, I have a lot of open options.

As I understand it they 3.3 and 3.3 HO are very similar. The HO has a very minor advantage in articulation, the HO can go deeper cleaner.

Except at the lowest frquencies the 3.3 has a slight advantage in output even with less power due to greater sensativity of the driver except down low - the HO is a real bottom feeder and is flat down to 15 hz.

Really - not much reason to buy the HO IMO - this is coming from an HO owner.

Quad new Ultras maybe :).
Yes, I am seriously considering DIY. Since I have money in hand now, I have a lot of open options.

Why mess with SVS/HSU? :confused:

Go DIY! You can build something much better than SVS/HSU makes for less money, especially since they are limited to puny 12 and 13.5" inch drivers. Go with 15s or 18s and really get some performance!

With that budget you could get a couple (or more) 18" LMS 5400s and 5-10 Kw and just blow them into last week and have the best SQ to boot. Not to mention for less money than one F113! :cool:

if your main purpose is HT ... no music ... just go for the HSU/SVS options - you must try the ported combos.

if your purpose is both music and HT, you should maybe try Joe's TC sounds DIY suggestion.

if your main purpose is HT ... no music ... just go for the HSU/SVS options - you must try the ported combos.

if your purpose is both music and HT, you should maybe try Joe's TC sounds DIY suggestion.
Usually when I do HT overhaul, I settle down more quickly. This time it is taking longer. When I say settle down, I mean once I change subs, I stick with it for about 2 to 3 yrs. I hope to get to that point in the next 2 months.
DIY indeed sounds interesting but time and skill are limited.

Usually when I do HT overhaul, I settle down more quickly. This time it is taking longer. When I say settle down, I mean once I change subs, I stick with it for about 2 to 3 yrs. I hope to get to that point in the next 2 months.
DIY indeed sounds interesting but time and skill are limited.

You could always spec out your enclosure and have it built by any car audio or cabinet shop either pre-finished, or raw and just finish it yourself as time permits.

If you are trying to move up from dual JL113s, DIY is definitely your best bet. Once you go DIY, you will never look back. The performance advantages over the simple commercial offerings is astounding. :eek: There have been some projects using dual JL's 13W7 drivers with fantastic results. TC Sounds has some terrific drivers as well.

In addition, the fun and enjoyment you will get from the time you invest is where it is at. Let's face it, ANYONE can buy and listen to subs! Th real fun comes from the design and execution.... ;)

As I understand it they 3.3 and 3.3 HO are very similar. The HO has a very minor advantage in articulation, the HO can go deeper cleaner.

Except at the lowest frquencies the 3.3 has a slight advantage in output even with less power due to greater sensativity of the driver except down low - the HO is a real bottom feeder and is flat down to 15 hz.

Really - not much reason to buy the HO IMO - this is coming from an HO owner.
Thanks for your honest input and opinions.

I was going to exchange my 3.3 w/ Turbo for the HO model ,only because I 'assumed' it would sound better overall, but Dr HSU himself recommended I stick with the 3.3 , his words were "Unless you are an organ fanatic and play Saint Saens organ symphony every day, 99% of program will actually play louder on the MK3 than on the HO. "

I was going to exchange my 3.3 w/ Turbo for the HO model ,only because I 'assumed' it would sound better overall, but Dr HSU himself recommended I stick with the 3.3 , his words were "Unless you are an organ fanatic and play Saint Saens organ symphony every day, 99% of program will actually play louder on the MK3 than on the HO. "
Don't such comments tell you the character of a company? I love such attitude.
Same thing with SVS and Ed. They steer me away when they know I am better off with something else and look for my interest rather than theirs. I love these people for their honesty. I hope the rest of the world was like this ;).
HSU, SVS.. thumbs up!

Ed was the one who steered me to my 16-46+.

After many emails and lengthy phone conversations he knows my listening habits and what I want and expect out of a sub.

He talked me out of the PB-12+2 and even the Ultra (old) and (new).

Going the Dual 16-46+ route will make the happiest in his eyes. Even though it isn't the most expensive route I could have gone...

He could have pushed dual PB-12+2s or even Dual Ultras.....or could have said just wait for the new Ultra.....but he was so very sure that the 16-46+ was my answer.

It is refreshing when people look out for you and what is best for you....even if it means you are not buying their most expensive item...

This is the same with Dr. HSU and he comments to his buyers! Props to both SVS and HSU for putting the people first......because if we are happy now....we we will come back later :D

Now....if only other realms of society and business acted like this!!

It is refreshing when people look out for you and what is best for you....even if it means you are not buying their most expensive item...

This is the same with Dr. HSU and he comments to his buyers! Props to both SVS and HSU for putting the people first......because if we are happy now....we we will come back later :D

Now....if only other realms of society and business acted like this!!

Amen to that!

That is why I get so insensed when people bash SVS. It is one thing if you don't like their products. But, they are terrific people behind a great company. I always thank ED for getting me into this hobby and steering me in the best directions. :)

There is plenty of mudslinging in these forums and I am glad they rise above it all.

Has anyone compared the HO to the 3.3, head to head?
Really how much performance benefit does the HO offer over the 3.3.
I just sold my dual f113s and I want to try out other subs, especially ones I have never heard before. I have never heard any HSU sub and I am really curious now after all the readings and reviews and analysis I did here.
I don't expect dual HOs even with turbo to come close to dual f113s, but I do want to give it a listen.

Hi

I have not compared the '3HO + Turbo to the 3.3 + Turbo head to head. I do know this much. The HO driver has the XBL2 design and the 500 watt amp instead of the 350 watt amp, and the driver without the XBL2 design.

I wish I would have been in a position to buy your Fathoms, however, I am doing pretty well with 2 HSU VTF-3HOs plus Turbos.

Kind Regards

PS I would really like to add the MBM-12. My experience with nearfield placement was a revelation. Too bad I am not in a single house right now.

Hi

I have not compared the '3HO + Turbo to the 3.3 + Turbo head to head. I do know this much. The HO driver has the XBL2 design and the 500 watt amp instead of the 350 watt amp, and the driver without the XBL2 design.

I wish I would have been in a position to buy your Fathoms, however, I am doing pretty well with 2 HSU VTF-3HOs plus Turbos.

Kind Regards

PS I would really like to add the MBM-12. My experience with nearfield placement was a revelation. Too bad I am not in a single house right now.
Thanks for your response. How big is your room? How far away is your listening position? Brad (bgillyjcu) here has been requesting real-world in-room measurements in several movies. If you can post some numbers for Flight of the Phoenix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=834612), in his thread that would be great. Can you do that for us?
It doesn't take much. All that you need is an SPL meter and then you need to rent that movie and measure it. To my knowledge there is no data out there in his threads for the HO and HO w/turbos.

Thanks for your response. How big is your room? How far away is your listening position? Brad (bgillyjcu) here has been requesting real-world in-room measurements in several movies. If you can post some numbers for Flight of the Phoenix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=834612), in his thread that would be great. Can you do that for us?
It doesn't take much. All that you need is an SPL meter and then you need to rent that movie and measure it. To my knowledge there is no data out there in his threads for the HO and HO w/turbos.

Thanks for the invitation to post in Brads thread about Flight of the Phoenix, however, I have too much on my plate right now.

All the Best

Thanks for the invitation to post in Brads thread about Flight of the Phoenix, however, I have too much on my plate right now.

All the Best
Too bad

Instead of typing you can be testing the scene, they don't take more than 10 minutes max. I figure if anyone has the time to post here they have the time to demo their subs. That is just me. As soon as I rent this I will post the numbers. After all, don't we all watch movies in the first place. Just take out your spl meter in the process. Jai really wants some numbers for the HO so he can decide if it is worth it to try. He is coming from some of the best.

Instead of typing you can be testing the scene, they don't take more than 10 minutes max. I figure if anyone has the time to post here they have the time to demo their subs. That is just me. As soon as I rent this I will post the numbers. After all, don't we all watch movies in the first place. Just take out your spl meter in the process. Jai really wants some numbers for the HO so he can decide if it is worth it to try. He is coming from some of the best.
James,
Check out what is going on in DIY. I think I created a splash there. I dared tread on those grounds but man in one day those wonderful, awesome folks converted me and are encouraging me so much I am going to take the plunge.
If I indeed I go that route, I may not be posting here that often and that would make a few folks here very happy as not everyone likes my what I say :o unfortunately. Well, I will keep you posted. It's sure an exciting world out there.
Regards,
-Jai

I was just trying to get spyboy to test his subs. I don't understand"having enough on my plate" when he is always posting here. Instead of just one post he can test. I have seen some of these DIY and they look nice. I would build myself a horn sub with an awesome 18 inch woofer but I have no idea on how to do it. I am getting such good results I will not bother. Like you, I would still take a listen.

Hi guys

Before I could possibly test my '3HOs + Turbos, I have to master the Denon 5803A, the owners manual for its Atkis 8000 remote is 66 pages all by itself. Additionally, there are others who may wish to test their dual VTF-3HOs plus Turbos using Flight of the Phoenix, rather than me.

Besides setting up the Denon 5803A, my Cerwin-Vega HT-12PWR needs to be repaired. One of my KEF Q 80's needs a new driver. I have to swap out my Ultrx R55 for my Kenwood VR-6070 in my bedroom system. Then I have to get ready to set-up the Onix X-Sub in Rosa Diamond Palisander in my bedroom system. The X-Sub should be here in about 4 weeks.

I am also in the beginning stages of buying a house.

Best

My point was that in the time it took you to read our messages and then reply you could have just tested the scene(of course if you own it). You don't need any other speaker on. It may not matter now because Jai maybe going in a different direction. I think someone else did post dual ho's. These threads are fun but all these subs hitting certain spl's mean nothing if they don't have a reference. I had a SVS sub, a big one, that was my reference. So when I post a new sub that cost less or equal to, I can compare. You really can't compare other people's #'s for reference like alot of people are doing. I have been reading people saying get this or that because it was one of the best in WOTW threads for spl, which was not true to begin with and has no meaning.

My point was that in the time it took you to read our messages and then reply you could have just tested the scene(of course if you own it). You don't need any other speaker on. It may not matter now because Jai maybe going in a different direction. I think someone else did post dual ho's. These threads are fun but all these subs hitting certain spl's mean nothing if they don't have a reference. I had a SVS sub, a big one, that was my reference. So when I post a new sub that cost less or equal to, I can compare. You really can't compare other people's #'s for reference like alot of people are doing. I have been reading people saying get this or that because it was one of the best in WOTW threads for spl, which was not true to begin with and has no meaning.and perhaps a more important question is how do these subs sound, objectively, at these measured spl's... :rolleyes:

No kidding, Some high spl subs are very powerful, but so boomy you can't hear any other speaker. I have always posted my numbers but also said how much more improved the sound quality has become. Much more definition and the speed is awesome.