Guys,

Which one would be great for 50/50 music and movie?

Originally I bought the vtf 3.3 for a few days and return figuring I would get the HO. Its been weeks now and I don't know when they are receiving it.


I am thinking of either going all out on svs with their sbs 01 speakers or the hsu hb-1/hc-1.


Any opinions. I live by HSU (about 20 miles and can do pickup). Both packages are about the same price.


Tony

It seems that you didn't return your turbo with your 3.3. Doesn't that kinda lock you in since you only have 30 days to return it? Did you ask about b-stock? I got lucky that way.

Hey man. I still have a few more weeks (i think 2 more weeks).

Tony

I think Dr. HSU said that if the 3.3 actually had more output above 20hz than the HO. Also, I would say that if you were wanting it for 50% music that the HSU would be the better choice than the NSD 2. Thats from my research on all this and the general finding on this forum.

Bill3508

I decided to stick with the HSU lineup since they haven't cut me the check for the returned of the vtf 3.3 and I still have in my possesion of the turbo. Just too much hassle I guess.


tony

Let us know what you think of the HO (when you get it) vs the 3.3.

Guys,

I had it with the HSU lady (named candi). Originally, I bought the vtf 3.3 with the turbo.

I got a very good deal on it by picking up and paying cash (10% off).

After 3 days, I decided I want the HO model. With this in mind, I kept the turbocharger.

Two weeks went by and I didn't get my refund (eventhough I told them I didn't want the refund, but to credit my account so I can pay the difference when I pick up the HO). Their policy is to refund first.

Anyways, today I left for lunch to pick up 4 hb-1 and 1 hb-c. Candi lady handed me the check short of $$200. They say because I bought the package, the turbo charge costs $100, but now they say it costs $200. Now i am pissed.

They say once I pick up the HO, I will get the $100 discount. I ask her what about my 10% off for paying cash and picking up the HO. Her answer is no, we give you the $100 off the turbo charger. I was promised a certain price for the HO already, thats why I changed my decision. Candi lady told me the person quoted me the price doesn't have the authority to do so-wtf?

I am just giving up man. Anyways, I will bring the turbo charger back tomorrow and go with something else.,

Tony

Guys,

I had it with the HSU lady (named candi). Originally, I bought the vtf 3.3 with the turbo.

I got a very good deal on it by picking up and paying cash (10% off).

After 3 days, I decided I want the HO model. With this in mind, I kept the turbocharger.

Two weeks went by and I didn't get my refund (eventhough I told them I didn't want the refund, but to credit my account so I can pay the difference when I pick up the HO). Their policy is to refund first.

Anyways, today I left for lunch to pick up 4 hb-1 and 1 hb-c. Candi lady handed me the check short of $$200. They say because I bought the package, the turbo charge costs $100, but now they say it costs $200. Now i am pissed.

They say once I pick up the HO, I will get the $100 discount. I ask her what about my 10% off for paying cash and picking up the HO. Her answer is no, we give you the $100 off the turbo charger. I was promised a certain price for the HO already, thats why I changed my decision. Candi lady told me the person quoted me the price doesn't have the authority to do so-wtf?

I am just giving up man. Anyways, I will bring the turbo charger back tomorrow and go with something else.,

Tony
Thats does not sound good. I would call back and speak to someone else other than 'Candi.' Ask to speak to Peter or the Dr. himself if need be. A bit strange considering I have had nothing but great customer service with them. I never dealt with Candi though. One thing is for sure, they need the feedback getting to the proper individual.

Keep us posted what happens.

Gvg45,

When I first picked up the 3.3, I had a chance to see Dr. HSU and shake his hand. This lady has no idea what customer service means.

I live 30 miles away and I am bringing the turbo back tomorrow. It's a hassle, but I have to do it.

I think you had been served by Tricia (very nice person to deal with). Wait until you talk to this candi lady.

Tony

Yea Trisha has always been great to deal with.

Personally, I can understand the $200 price for the turbo. Because no offense, but they dont know whether or not you will be returning for the HO. Its not like you leave a deposit. You probably left your name and phone #. However, if someone there promised you a price, that should be honored. IMO, I think you should get the total amount you spent there minus the $200(turbo). Then, upon purchase of the HO, get $100 subtracted from the price promised.

Gvg45,

That was what I told the lady. Upon paying for the HO, I should get my $100 back. Then I pay for whatver the promised price for the HO. Lady said, the person quoted me the price don't have the authority which is Tricia.

Anyways, I am going with the svs package now.

Tony

Gvg45,

That was what I told the lady. Upon paying for the HO, I should get my $100 back. Then I pay for whatver the promised price for the HO. Lady said, the person quoted me the price don't have the authority which is Tricia.

Anyways, I am going with the svs package now.

Tony
Yea, I dont blame you for taking your business elsewhere, but since your going there tomorrow to return the turbo, I strongly believe you should express your point to either Peter or the Dr. Call and make an appt with them if you must. Even though you have decided to go with another company, HSU should know whats going on with their employees.

FWIW, Trisha stated me a price for my 3.3 and it was honored.

Tony,

Everything what gvg45 said I agree with. Don't let one bad apple ruin it. Nobody is perfect. Regardless what you go with you'll have a great system.

But I definitely would contact Peter or the Dr. and let them know.

I'm totally on the fence considering subs from these two companys. If you end up with the SVS, I would be very interested in your comparison analysis of the two.

Thanks

Hey Tony,

Let's step back a little and think through everything.

From what I can tell, Candi was following proper procedure. If someone purchases a VTF-3 Mk3 with turbocharger, and then returns just the VTF-3 Mk3, then that is functionally equivalent to purchasing only a turbocharger. In turn, purchasing only a turbocharger costs about $200.

For liability reasons, we can't let someone purchase a turbocharger for $100 just because they intend to purchase another subwoofer at a later date. It's not that we don't trust you, it's that people who spend a bit extra by purchasing turbocharger with subwoofer are given a price break as a part of a package deal. What is the proper procedure is to sell the turbocharger alone for $200, and if someone orders a subwoofer with that, then the package can be discounted by $100, since subwoofer + turbo has a $100 discount applied.

So by only holding onto the turbocharger for now, you are putting $200 down payment on a future investment of VTF-3 HO/t. Once you get the VTF-3 HO, you get the final discounted price that was promised to you. You don't overpay at all. If you don't want to put $200 down payment, then all you need to do is return the turbocharger for a full refund (ie. $0 down payment), and then you can purchase the VTF-3 HO/t package later for the final discounted price. Let me know if this makes sense.

Sincerely,

Peter,

Thank you for responding. Wish I can talk to you besides candi when I was there.

I didn't mind keeping the turbo charger for $200 cause it makes sense (thats what you charge individually). In fact, I ask the accounting to keep my money for the whole time and I will add more money later when I pick up the HO, but since its policy for you guys to refund first).


The thing that I am upset is that I was promised a certain price OTD for the HO. Candi told me that once it comes in, I will be discounted for that $100 off the $899 and not the price that I was quoted by Trishia (cash price with pickup).

To me that $100 discount is off from the turbo and not the price I was quoted for paying cash/pickup. They are totally different discounts. Everybody gets the $100 off as a package, but I was give the extra discount for cash/pickup. At one point she even say Trisha was not in the position to give quotes. Thats when I stop and give up.

Tony

I see Tony. Thanks for the prompt response. I'll tell you what. Send an email to Dr. Hsu tonight (email drhsu@hsuresearch.com). Tell him how much you paid in the beginning for picking up VTF-3 Mk3/t [1], how much you were refunded [2], and what price you were quoted for the VTF-3 HO/t package for picking it up [3]. Mention to Dr. Hsu that all you want is to end up paying in total the same price you were originally quoted for picking up a VTF-3 HO/t package. What you should end up paying from here is [3] minus [1] plus [2] = [4] = magic number of ___ .

Hopefully I didn't make this too confusing. The advantage of dealing directly with Dr. Hsu on this issue is that no one can overrule him, maybe not even his wife I think :D

Feel free to tell him my opinion that you should pay the price that you were originally quoted for picking up a VTF-3 HO/t package. That's just fair after all.

Also, I think it's ok that you hold onto the turbocharger. I would hate to have you waste gas money just to drive over. Dr. Hsu will make sure that your quoted price on VTF-3 HO/t is honored.

Let me know how it goes!

Peter,

I didn't get the check from Candi today. The check was written, but since we didn't agreed to it, I was not handed the check LOL!!!. The turbo charger is coming back tomorrow.

I will see the dreaded lady one more time. She has to be one of the hardest people to talk to.

Tony

Tony, she really is a nice good-hearted person, and puts a lot of effort in her work. Sometimes these mixups or mistakes can happen, and I'm sure she didn't mean anything by it. Hopefully you can get a hold of Dr. Hsu to straighten everything out. For now, with turbocharger being returned tomorrow, you should get a full refund no questions asked. If I were you, I would reconsider returning the VTF-3 Mk3, and in the future just add a second VTF-3 Mk3/t. That would be a great very high performance value, you might be able to get some discount as a returning customer getting a second sub, and that would provide plenty of output I think. Distortion would effectively be cut in half for any given SPL level. Also, using maximum output mode (ie. both ports open, no turbo) would provide higher max output over the common bass frequencies too, with single or dual subwoofers.

Have a great night!

The Doctor has spoken :D

I had a talked with Candi, but never mentioned it to Dr. HSU (just didn't want to waste his time on the subject). Candi helpled me put a package together and I emailed Dr. HSU with an Okay.

I want a HO with turbo plus 4 hb-1 and 1 hc-1. That put me between the Ultimate and Enth 2 package. So Candi suggested I email Dr. HSU about a package that consists of the above instead of buying it "seperate".

On a side note, I might consider buying the Ultimate package, but I only need 4 hb-1 instead of 6 :o .

Tony

hey tracting, why did you take back the 3.3? (i'm looking into one now)

also, peter, when will you have any in maple? I think i'm ready.

hey peter, do i get a discount if i buy tractings?

....do i get a discount if i buy tractings?

If somebody hasn't bought it by now it will be sold as b-stock - 20% off. HTH

If somebody hasn't bought it by now it will be sold as b-stock - 20% off. HTH

For 20% I'll settle for black.

For 20% I'll settle for black.

OK, that means we'll expect to hear good news from you tomorrow if nobody else will/has beat you to it. :D

OK, that means we'll expect to hear good news from you tomorrow if nobody else will/has beat you to it. :D

Theres no listing yet, I guess i'll call them in the am

Theres no listing yet, I guess i'll call them in the am

Thats how I got my HO - it wasn't listed either.

Theres no listing yet, I guess i'll call them in the am
They dont update the list until that last Tuesday evening of the month and they start accepting calls for them Wednesday morning. That does not mean you cant call early and try anyways.

hey tracting, why did you take back the 3.3? (i'm looking into one now)

also, peter, when will you have any in maple? I think i'm ready.

hey peter, do i get a discount if i buy tractings?


lvisneau,

I actually listened to both at the shop. To me they both sounded the same. I had only had 10 minutes of demo. One thing to consider though the 3.3 was next to the sofa and the HO was way near the TV so that maybe a factor. If the HO was next to the sofa, maybe the sound would have been different.

I just base on the fact that for $200 more, I can get their flagship model- that is why I returned it.

Tony

OK, that means we'll expect to hear good news from you tomorrow if nobody else will/has beat you to it. :D

no go on the b-stock. soooooooooooo my 3mk3 w/turbo should be here by the weekend. in black.

lvisneau, you're so going to enjoy your new puchase. I've had mine for a week now and the performance is astonishing. I had a pb10 before the upgrade and I thought that was pretty amazing. The 3.3 w/turbo is truly something else. I haven't spent enough time with it yet, but I have no regrets about the purchase.

I listened to both as well and they serve different purposes. My brother bought a 3.3 and I was going to buy an HO until Alan helped me set up a demo. For most people, the 3.3 will be a better buy. It has more spl at a higher range so you get nice base punch. For those looking for real deep rumbling, that's different from the first, the HO would be more to your liking. I ended up picking up the 3.3 with HO and put it in nearfield behind the sofa. It's pretty nice for Home Theater. I haven't had great luck with it and music though.

Hey Peter, I didn't know there was a discount for a second one. I picked up mine after my brother bought his 2 weeks later.

I listened to both as well and they serve different purposes. My brother bought a 3.3 and I was going to buy an HO until Alan helped me set up a demo. For most people, the 3.3 will be a better buy. It has more spl at a higher range so you get nice base punch. For those looking for real deep rumbling, that's different from the first, the HO would be more to your liking. I ended up picking up the 3.3 with HO and put it in nearfield behind the sofa. It's pretty nice for Home Theater. I haven't had great luck with it and music though.

Hey Peter, I didn't know there was a discount for a second one. I picked up mine after my brother bought his 2 weeks later.

Agreed 100%.

I didn't achieve great sound for music. Maybe I had only a few days to listen to it plus I didn't even calibrate my receiver.

Tony

lvisneau, you're so going to enjoy your new puchase. I've had mine for a week now and the performance is astonishing. I had a pb10 before the upgrade and I thought that was pretty amazing. The 3.3 w/turbo is truly something else. I haven't spent enough time with it yet, but I have no regrets about the purchase.

yeah, i can't wait. hey no name, i'll be putting it at front left of my screen. can i put it sideways as not to stick out into the middle of the room?(i see that it is 25"deep)or will that somehow kill some of the sound from the turbo?

can i put it sideways as not to stick out into the middle of the room?(i see that it is 25"deep)or will that somehow kill some of the sound from the turbo?
As long as the woofer and ports has sufficient clearance (4-5") from anything blocking it, you should be good.

Take time and try your different placement options and calibrate. Just moving the sub less than a foot can make a big difference. You will be rewarded.

I have heard the VTF-3HO at shows, but not in my own home. In those sessions it definitely dug down low.

I have a VTF-3MK3 w/turbo, and before that the older VTF-3. Also have had a STF-2 and other internet direct models in the room as well. I am more music than HT, and the 3.3 is the best I have had in my room for all-around use.

Next, I would like to try something sealed.....something known for excellent sound quality(the Hsus are), but not known for output.

As long as the woofer and ports has sufficient clearance (4-5") from anything blocking it, you should be good.
Awsome, thanks

Save up and try the F113 Curtis. If not that, I think Mark Seaton's submersives will be great as soon as he gets them into production. That'll be 2x 15's in sealed.