There has been a slew of "pro" HD DVD articles out there due to the recent comeback and many PS3 Europe articles. A lot of these articles say that BD has very little support over in Europe due to cost of manufacturing and changing lines over. Wondering if anyone can shed some more light on the subject...

If BD and HD DVD stalement in the States, HD DVD wins in Europe, and apparently BD has already won in Japan...What affect will this have on the format war?

All opinions welcome

Hmmm...

Blu-ray is currently far ahead in sales rank at Amazon in Germany and at Amazon in the UK.

And official sales info from Germany:

Originally Posted by videomarkt
Seitdem Sonys neue Konsole PlayStation 3 auf dem deutschen Markt erhältlich ist, haben die Blu-ray-Verkäufe deutlich zugelegt. Daten von media control GfK zufolge, fielen im Januar und Februar 2007 die Verkaufszahlen von HD-DVDs noch bis zu sieben Mal höher aus als bei der Blu-ray - im März habe sich das Blatt jedoch gewendet. Einen gewaltigen Sprung bei den Absatzzahlen von Blu-ray gab es demnach in der zwölften Kalenderwoche als die PlayStation 3 in die Geschäfte kam. Von rund 1000 Einheiten in der Woche vor der Markteinführung stieg die Zahl auf über 7100, berichtet media control.

In der Woche vor Ostern wurden darüber hinaus circa 4500 Blu-ray-Discs abgesetzt. Demgegenüber standen etwa 1300 HD DVDs. Auch bei der Titelauswahl hat Blu-ray mittlerweile die Nase vorn: Bis dato sind in Deutschland 67 Filme auf Blu-ray erschienen und 51 auf HD DVD.

In the week prior to Easter 4500 BD discs were sold, but only 1300 HD DVDs.
At present there are 67 released BD discs, however just 51 HD DVDs.

Looks like the facts do not agree with your thesis that HD-DVD might win in Europe. Looks like Blu-ray is going to win in Europe.

Hmmm...

Blu-ray is currently far ahead in sales rank at Amazon in Germany and at Amazon in the UK.

And official sales info from Germany:


In the week prior to Easter 4500 BD discs were sold, but only 1300 HD DVDs.
At present there are 67 released BD discs, however just 51 HD DVDs.

Ok...I was reading an article that stated something totally different....maybe they were talking about UK...It said less than 10 BD's had been released and a lot(can't remember the number) of HD DVDs have been released. I'm going to try and did up that article and post a link.

I'm not trying to start trouble, but a lot of articles are saying that Europe has choosen HD DVD. Be right back with that link......

Ok...I was reading an article that stated something totally different....maybe they were talking about UK...It said less than 10 BD's had been released and a lot(can't remember the number) of HD DVDs have been released. I'm going to try and did up that article and post a link.

I'm not trying to start trouble, but a lot of articles are saying that Europe has choosen HD DVD. Be right back with that link......


Actually I have seen the article you are reffering to.

It is important to understand that they are talking about support from a few independent Small European Studios. NOT SALES IN EUROPE. NOT TOTAL RELEASES. ONLY RELEASES FROM SOME SMALLER EUROPEAN STUDIOS.

Hope that helps. :)

Here you can see why some small european studios are favoring HDDVD:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4268/europr2.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europr2.jpg)

Actually I live in europe so I can put some input.

The PS3 just got released. So that have started people buying Blurays, just as it did in the states. But its not a very big market. So its hasnt come down to avarage joe yet. So if HD DVD starts to release cheaper players here and with better marketing alot can happend. DVD is still the big player. I dont think Bluray nor HD DVD has become anyware near the numbers they will need to be to b able to take over the market. Its more nischformat here then it is in the state.

But who knows maybe at Christmas thing can start to happend.

But if you look what movies been released on Bluray here(Sweden), I dont se why anybody would buy alot of Blurays. Myself own 2 bluray plus one in the mail. Were one of the 2 is an import.

Swedish releases or imports with swedish subtitles

Exorcism of Emily Rose (Blu-ray)
A knight tale (Blu-ray)
Hitch (Blu-ray)
Hostel (Blu-ray)
Kung-Fu Hustle (Blu-ray)
Stealth (Blu-ray)
Transporter (Blu-ray)
Underworld 2 - Evolution (Blu-ray)
Fantastic Four (Blu-ray)
Omen 666 (Blu-ray)
Ultraviolet (Blu-ray)
S.W.A.T. (Blu-ray=)
Into the blue (Blu-ray)
The sentinel (Blu-ray)
All the kings men (2006) (Blu-ray)
Alien VS Predator
Raising sun(Blu-ray)
Guardian (Blu-ray)
Just cause (Blu-ray)
Men of honor (Blu-ray)
Eragon (Blu-ray)
Eight Below (Blu-ray)
Gone in 60 seconds (Blu-ray)
Pearl Harbor (Blu-ray)
The Wild (Blu-ray)
Open season(Blu-ray)
Casino Royale (Blu-ray)
Hollywoodland (blu-ray) (Import Sv.Text)
Monster House (Blu-ray)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Blu-ray)
Behind enemy lines (Blu-ray)
Flight of the Phoenix (Blu-ray)
League (Blu-ray)
Speed (Blu-ray)
X-Men 3 (Blu-ray)
Big Fish (Blu-ray)
Layer Cake (Blu-ray)
Click (Blu-ray)
Runaway Vacation (R.V) (Blu-ray)
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (Blu-ray)
Shark Tank HD - (Blu-ray)
Kingdom of heaven (Blu-ray)
Space Cowboys (Blu-ray) (Import)
Rumor has it (Blu-ray) (Import)
Into the blue (Blu-ray)
S.W.A.T. (Blu-ray)
Fantastic Four (Blu-ray)

Ok...I was reading an article that stated something totally different....maybe they were talking about UK...It said less than 10 BD's had been released and a lot(can't remember the number) of HD DVDs have been released. I'm going to try and did up that article and post a link.

I'm not trying to start trouble, but a lot of articles are saying that Europe has choosen HD DVD. Be right back with that link......

These are the UK figures for the 4 weeks following the PS3 launch:

Week BD HD DVD BD HD BD Lead / % share
12 23,141 4,017 - 19,124 / 85%
13 16,433 3,756 -29% -6% 12,677 / 81%
14 11,449 3,235 -30% -14% 8,214 / 78%
15 8,330 2,354 -27% -27% 5,976 / 78%

There is a significant drop in BD sales following the PS3 launch and we'll see if it has found its normal level in the weeks to come. HD DVD has also dropped since the launch of the PS3 and in the most recent week fell by exactly the same % as HD DVD.

I believe these figures are from Rentrak (UK) and were originally posted on AVforums in the UK.

With regard to the released titles I'm sure there are a lot more than 10 available here in the UK so that article is innacurate in any number of ways. Have a look at the Blu-ray section of Amazon UK for an idea of the true number of titles.

It's true that HD DVD have signed up a few small European studios but I doubt they will be influencing the market greatly. If you read some of the headline spin from this story you'd think that HD DVD was dominating Europe the way Blu-ray dominates Japan. The reverse is actually the case.

These figures say very little. You've got a big problem with comparing BD and HD-DVD sales in Europe and the reason is that HD-DVD owners like myself will tend to buy from the US and not from European retailers. Speaking from the UK I would say that with HD-DVD not being region coded and with the British Pound at least being very strong against the dollar it makes it stupid to buy from a UK retailer. When UK retailers get anywhere near the price of the US ones, as with Axelmusic.com then you find that HD-DVD is well ahead has over 60% of sales. Blu-Ray owners are more liable to purchase from UK or European sites because of the region coding. If anything this shows that US HD-DVD sales figures have been significantly influenced by overseas purchases.

These figures say very little. You've got a big problem with comparing BD and HD-DVD sales in Europe and the reason is that HD-DVD owners like myself will tend to buy from the US and not from European retailers. Speaking from the UK I would say that with HD-DVD not being region coded and with the British Pound at least being very strong against the dollar it makes it stupid to buy from a UK retailer. When UK retailers get anywhere near the price of the US ones, as with Axelmusic.com then you find that HD-DVD is well ahead has over 60% of sales. Blu-Ray owners are more liable to purchase from UK or European sites because of the region coding. If anything this shows that US HD-DVD sales figures have been significantly influenced by overseas purchases.


So what you are saying is that European HD-DVD owners are inflating USA HD-DVD sales.

That makes Blu-ray's strong sales lead in the USA even more amazing!!

Yes, I am saying that - even as an HD-DVD owner. I've got 43 HD-DVDs and I only bought one (Harry Potter) from a UK supplier. I would expect that that is the case with an awful lot of HD-DVD owners over here. With the pound now worth 2 dollars UK suppliers can't match the prices unless they source and supply US HD-DVDs - as Axel are doing. My point is, however, that the European figures will necessarily be slanted in favour of Blu, but that they don't show the true state of play. There is no question in my mind that HD-DVD in Europe has a much stronger position vis-a-vis Blu-Ray than it does in the US. That lead is being helped further by the fact that the HD-E1 is a lot cheaper than it's nearest rival. The HD-E1 is selling for a typical price of £250 while the Sammy BDP1000 (which was £700+ when it came on the market) has been slashed to £350 in one store in order to shift the stock. I went into my local Comet store the other day and saw the HD-E1 on demo but no Blu-Ray.

These figures say very little. You've got a big problem with comparing BD and HD-DVD sales in Europe and the reason is that HD-DVD owners like myself will tend to buy from the US and not from European retailers.

This argument works well for the UK, but less so for Germany and France. In both countries, BD has an even stronger lead on Amazon than in the UK. And without undertitles or dubbing, you won't sell too much in either country.
Furthermore, I don't know for the UK, but credit cards from continental europe don't get accepted by Amazon US, so unless you have a friend in the US who can buy them for you, it simply won't work.

Edit: And even on Axelmusic, the sales numbers are slowly shifting in BD's direction. Note that in the US the effect of the launch only became clear 2 or 3 months later. (Maybe that's because immediately after having spent a load of money on a PS3, you're just not ready to spend another load on movies. And how many are waiting for the unavoidable price drops? Sony says they have no specific plans. They're just trying not to scare people out of buying now.)

This argument works well for the UK, but less so for Germany and France. In both countries, BD has an even stronger lead on Amazon than in the UK. And without undertitles or dubbing, you won't sell too much in either country.
Furthermore, I don't know for the UK, but credit cards from continental europe don't get accepted by Amazon US, so unless you have a friend in the US who can buy them for you, it simply won't work.




Strange, wonder how I could purchased Tears of the sun from amazon US???

Strange, wonder how I could purchased Tears of the sun from amazon US???

I suppose because some US Blu-Ray titles, I think Fox is an example, do work at present in European Blu-Ray players. But this is not across the board as with HD-DVD. There is no question that European Blu-Ray owners are far more restricted than HD-DVD owners in terms of what US discs they can purchase and play in their European machines.

Furthermore, I don't know for the UK, but credit cards from continental europe don't get accepted by Amazon US, so unless you have a friend in the US who can buy them for you, it simply won't work.

There is no problem with UK credit cards and Amazon US. :)

even on Axelmusic, the sales numbers are slowly shifting in BD's direction

'Slowly' is the word - the pace is glacial. It would be stupid to suggest that the launch of PS3 is not going to affect the balance of sales, of course it is. I would expect Blu to gain market share but the pace at present is very slow. We'll just have to see how things pan out in the next few months. Here are Axel's figures:

BLU-RAY HD-DVD
Weekly 36.2% 63.8%
Monthly 35.0% 65.0%
Yearly 32.7% 67.3%

Releases 301 256

Nobody is going to win yet in Europe. To declare the war over based on sales figures for the few weeks after
the PS 3 release is only spreading Sony’s message. I hope that the general public is not that short-sighted.
What the german article actually says is that Blu-ray disc sales have increased since the release of the PS3.
It mentions January and February, where the HD disc sales had a factor of 7 to 1 in favour of HD-DVD and then the sales numbers for March and April, after the release of the PS3, which tilted the scale in favour of Blu-Ray (approx.3.5 to 1). This clearly reflects what we knew all along, namely that some PS3 buyers also bought Blu-Ray discs along with the Console, although if they will continue to do so remains to be seen.
Lets also not forget that Casino Royal came out that week.
It reads a little bit like the usual Blu-wins over HD-DVD news releases that we all know too well, albeit a little balanced, as it also mentions the former lead of HD-DVD.
What I find interesting is that nobody seemed to care when HD-DVD was in the lead by a huge margin. It is obvious that the spin doctors of the Blu-Ray association seem to be a lot more aggressive, there may be a thing or two to be learned here.
My personal feeling is that the HD-DVD camp is a little bit too laid back in this regard.
Also interesting is respective low numbers of HD-discs purchases generally. We still have a long way to go.
Regarding the recent post:
I buy tons of Discs from Amazon.com and so far I never experienced any problems with my credit cards. This is clearly a misinformation.
Wonder, what amazon.com had to say about that ;)
Also, with the current availability of european titles available it is little wonder that regional amazon stores do not sell a lot of HD-DVD's.
I personally prefer to buy HD-DVD's from Amazon.com, there are a lot more titles and it is also a lot cheaper that way.
Region free, remember? :D

These figures say very little. You've got a big problem with comparing BD and HD-DVD sales in Europe and the reason is that HD-DVD owners like myself will tend to buy from the US and not from European retailers.

The problem isn't mine. The problem is for the HD DVD group to worry about. If you're right and importing is supressing HD DVD sales in Europe how do they expect to increase sales locally?

On the other hand, US buyers also import from Europe don't they? So that means the HD DVD numbers are actually artificially higher thanks to US buyers!

I live in Europe and my interest for the numbers in Europe is very very relative because European sales will not play a decisive role in the format war.

American sales will.

The problem isn't mine.

I meant 'one' - I should have been more careful with my semantics. ;)

From first hand experience - Blu-ray is bigger since the arrival of the PS3. In reality, no one really knows what either format is, the advertising campaigns haven't started yet, and you should see our BD stand, it is pitiful and the HD DVD stand is half the size. So neither format has any real presence here in the UK, but expect that to change when Sky (BSkyB is owned by Rupert Murdoch of News corporation, the company is run by his son James Murdoch) get involved and the advertising salvo starts.

Sales are definitely in favour of BD though, especially since most stores want a quick end to the war here, and we salesmen are told to push BD at out store if someone asks us about the looming format war. Hell, our boss goes as far as saying there won't be one in the UK and that BD has basically won as Toshiba took too much time in getting the E1 onto shelves.

^^^ Where do you work?

Toshiba took too much time in getting the E1 onto shelves.
aha...good thing Sony delivered the PS3 just on time with no delays whatsoever..
I hope he does not use the same reasoning when you ask for a wage increase... :rolleyes:

^^^ Where do you work?

HMV, well until Sunday. I have got two months leave for my finals, then I might quit altogether anyway.

Interesting. It's not your boss that your signature is referring to? The war has barely started in the UK! I actually think that with the HD-E1 now selling for just £250 - that's £175 cheaper than the PS3 and £100 cheaper than the Samsung BDP1000 which some outlet or other is trying to flog off because no one wants it, Blu-Ray will have a real fight on their hands in the UK. And what if ASDA can land some of those nice cheap Fung Yuan HD-DVD players that Walmart have ordered? I've been down to my local HMV in Leicester and the only other person I ever met looking at the HD section (there's slightly more HD-DVD stock than BD) was an HD-DVD owner. We both decided to leave it because the prices were extortionate even compared to HMV's own webstore prices, so it was off to order from Amazon.com!

Interesting. It's not your boss that your signature is referring to?

Lol, no, my boss is pretty smart, he is the regional manager for Wales.

The war has barely started in the UK! I actually think that with the HD-E1 now selling for just £250 - that's £175 cheaper than the PS3 and £100 cheaper than the Samsung BDP1000 which some outlet or other is trying to flog off because no one wants it, Blu-Ray will have a real fight on their hands in the UK. And what if ASDA can land some of those nice cheap Fung Yuan HD-DVD players that Walmart have ordered?
snip...

Therein lies the problem for HD DVD, it was more entrenched in the USA and look what happened there when the PS3 arrived. In the UK very few people own HD DVD players, most think a HD DVD is an extension of DVD, countless people come in saying their HD DVD doesn't work, the conversation goes a little like this

Customer: My HD DVD doesn't work
Me: Really, can you tell me what the problem is?
C: Well, I put the disc in and nothing happens.
M: What model of player do you have?
C: Sony something or other, I think.
M: There's your problem, you don't have a HD DVD player.
C: Yeah, but I got a HDTV and this is a HD DVD so I can use it in my DVD player and get HD, right?
M: No, you need to buy a new player which will cost about £250.
C: Oh. Can I exchange this then?
M: Sure.

Seriously, I have had this conversation too many times. I then go on to explain about the format war with the BD slant that I an told to give and more often than not they end up getting a PS3 and a couple of BDs that I recommend (Casino Royale and Black Hawk Down).

The Samsung is too expensive for what you get, the new Sony BDP-S1E will be more competitive with the XE1. I highly doubt that Asda will get any of those players, atm the format war is too young for the supermarkets to be getting involved. Wait until Tesco starts to sell PS3s properly at all stores, that is when this will be over.

Really though it boils down to one thing; advertising, and Toshiba have proved time and again that they are pretty inept and the BDA are like hawks when it comes to marketing to the common man.

I really don't think Tesco selling the PS3 will make that much difference unless the price of the PS3 is slashed. At £425 it's just too expensive for mass adoption. In any case, since it's launch PS3 sales have dropped to pitifully small numbers in the UK and it is trailing behind both Wii and X-Box - even with Wii's being sold out everywhere. The success of the Wii is as much to do with price relative to the PS3 as it is to it's innovative control. Price matters and HD-DVD has the advantage here. For this reason the PS3 could only ever be a great platform for the expansion of the Blu-Ray format; it could not, by itself, be the answer to mass market penetration - for that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have to start selling players at half the price the HD-E1 is presently selling at and get them into the likes of Tesco. When those cheap HD-DVD players flood the market the BDA's claims to have won the war several times over in 2007 will sound as hollow as Hermann Goring's statement to British Businessmen in 1939: "The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Meier!" Hey, maybe in a few years time Sony's first HD-DVD player should be called the 'Meier'? ;)

I really don't think Tesco selling the PS3 will make that much difference unless the price of the PS3 is slashed. At £425 it's just too expensive for mass adoption. In any case, since it's launch PS3 sales have dropped to pitifully small numbers in the UK and it is trailing behind both Wii and X-Box - even with Wii's being sold out everywhere. The success of the Wii is as much to do with price relative to the PS3 as it is to it's innovative control. Price matters and HD-DVD has the advantage here.

snip...

Tesco selling the PS3 will be big because they never stick to the SRP, look at the X360, my local Tesco Extra sells it for £238.74 for the Premium. So what makes you think they will sell the PS3 for £425, other retailers are already discounting it to £399. With the purchasing power of Tesco and the traditionally high retailer margins in the UK (margins in the UK are the highest in the world, at £399 the retailer still makes money off the PS3), £370 isn't out of reach. This is all before November (when we should see Sony price cut) so by then the advertising campaign will have well and truly started by the BDA companies and their associates (which include Warner and Paramount in Europe). So when the war really starts and price starts to matter, the BDA companies will be in a much better position than they are now, high-end players for £399, PS3 in between somewhere, and low-end for about £199 from a host of trusted companies like Sony, Pioneer, Samsung, Panasonic, Phillips etc... HD DVD will have a similar price-point but from only one seller, Toshiba.

HD DVDs strategy from the start was to get in early and build enough of a user base so that the exclusive studios couldn't ignore them, it was sort of working in the US, but the PS3 happened. In the UK a few hundred importers and AV enthusiasts are the only people even remotely interested in the formats, so this never happened and now Toshiba are in trouble because the BDA have learned from the mistakes made in America and didn't release too many crap discs and the players all had firmwares sorted either beforehand, or were sold with the upgrade disc.

To the OP, it's more FUD from the HD DVD promoters. Their campaign has been bitterly dishonest and misleading, but for some reason on these forums everyone is upset at the corporate hubris of BDA members (to be sure, there is plenty of hubris from both pots and kettles to go around). HD DVD has not only have failed to win in Europe, they are not even as far ahead as they were in the US before the PS3 shipped, and sales numbers are already showing this. Australia and Japan have all but called the war in favor of Blu Ray (I mean actually being called, not faux-claims of victory, like Fox and Sony made at CES this year). Even the staged buy-in from Amazon on the 15th had no more than a fleeting effect on their rankings, let alone overall sales in the U.S. (I highly doubt it affects Nielsen numbers more than a few percent...we'll see in a couple weeks)

HD DVD may well be around for years in the U.S., but if they can't make a better sales showing over the summer, I really think it will be more akin to how Beta was around for years, not an actual war come holidays 2007.

£370 isn't out of reach

I don't know what you're wage packet is, but if you think the average person who is not interested in gaming but likes a movie is going to shell out £370 for a PS3 I think you're sadly mistaken. Fact is in the UK the PS brand is known first and foremost as a games console and as much as it has sold to a pack of gamers who have been chomping at the bit with all the delays I don't think it'll break out beyond that. The PS3 is both a blessing and a curse. It'll be quite a while before Blu get a UK player to really compete with HD-DVD on price and at the end of the day price will be decisive.

Lol, no, my boss is pretty smart, he is the regional manager for Wales.



Therein lies the problem for HD DVD, it was more entrenched in the USA and look what happened there when the PS3 arrived. In the UK very few people own HD DVD players, most think a HD DVD is an extension of DVD, countless people come in saying their HD DVD doesn't work, the conversation goes a little like this

Customer: My HD DVD doesn't work
Me: Really, can you tell me what the problem is?
C: Well, I put the disc in and nothing happens.
M: What model of player do you have?
C: Sony something or other, I think.
M: There's your problem, you don't have a HD DVD player.
C: Yeah, but I got a HDTV and this is a HD DVD so I can use it in my DVD player and get HD, right?
M: No, you need to buy a new player which will cost about £250.
C: Oh. Can I exchange this then?
M: Sure.

Seriously, I have had this conversation too many times. I then go on to explain about the format war with the BD slant that I an told to give and more often than not they end up getting a PS3 and a couple of BDs that I recommend (Casino Royale and Black Hawk Down).

The Samsung is too expensive for what you get, the new Sony BDP-S1E will be more competitive with the XE1. I highly doubt that Asda will get any of those players, atm the format war is too young for the supermarkets to be getting involved. Wait until Tesco starts to sell PS3s properly at all stores, that is when this will be over.

Really though it boils down to one thing; advertising, and Toshiba have proved time and again that they are pretty inept and the BDA are like hawks when it comes to marketing to the common man.

That happened in the beginning too for walmart and bestbuys in my area (in canada). Till today, when I get a red or blu disk, the cashier in walmart (electronics section) sometimes still asks "Do you have a BD/HD player" --- I think they're told to ask that question for a reason.

Hmmm...

Blu-ray is currently far ahead in sales rank at Amazon in Germany and at Amazon in the UK.

And official sales info from Germany:


In the week prior to Easter 4500 BD discs were sold, but only 1300 HD DVDs.
At present there are 67 released BD discs, however just 51 HD DVDs.

Looks like the facts do not agree with your thesis that HD-DVD might win in Europe. Looks like Blu-ray is going to win in Europe.

4500 discs sold, compared to 1300 sold. With these numbers why would you think any format would win. Obviously it is waaaaaayyyyyy to early to make such a statement.

I don't know what you're wage packet is, but if you think the average person who is not interested in gaming but likes a movie is going to shell out £370 for a PS3 I think you're sadly mistaken. Fact is in the UK the PS brand is known first and foremost as a games console and as much as it has sold to a pack of gamers who have been chomping at the bit with all the delays I don't think it'll break out beyond that. The PS3 is both a blessing and a curse. It'll be quite a while before Blu get a UK player to really compete with HD-DVD on price and at the end of the day price will be decisive.

My wage packet is OK at best, plus I am a student, and I can still afford a PS3 (though I haven't bought one yet, I need to upgrade my pos Samsung HDTV first). I have different priorities to most people though, 1. Books 2. Food 3. Booze! 4. Girlfriend 5. Gaming/Movies.

So I have to have enough money for all of that stuff first before I even think about a PS3, and I can still afford one on a part-timers wage. Seriously £370 (Virgin Megastore and HMV do a Student discount of 10% on the PS3 so it comes to about £360) is not that much money, hell I blew that much in one night in London (a good night, bad days afterwards).

But yeah, if you can't afford a PS3 then don't buy one and wait for a price cut, just stop complaining or get a different job/work more hours/ask for a pay-rise etc...

Man, you need to change your priorities!

Should be: Booze, Gaming/Movies, Girl Friend, Food, Books.

J/K

Man, you need to change your priorities!

Should be: Booze, Gaming/Movies, Girl Friend, Food, Books.

J/K

I wish, if that was the case, I would have no girlfriend (I go for the high maintenance needy type, don't ask why, I just do), and failing my degree. Also Gaming rates higher than movies, but I haven't had the time recently - stupid exams!

Gaming is just too expensive a hobby at the moment, and the stupid Wii keeps taking up my time, goading me with Zelda! But seriously books are a one-time expense, and food - you have to get (though I do try and get as much Tesco Value as possible), so those are unavoidable. Booze is a very expensive hobby, but what is the point of being at Uni if I am not going to drink! So it comes down to gaming or gf, I chose the gf for obvious reasons.

MaxP,

Your gf wouldn't be Sony would it? :p

Seriously, you've made 661 posts since January 2007 promoting blu-ray and bashing HD-DVD at every opportunity. When your at University you should be out shagging or drinking when not studying. When I was at Uni I never even had time to watch telly neverming play computer games or find time to post on Forums like a BDA employee. :D

Blu-ray will survive without your relentless posting so please go and spend some time with your gf :D

MaxP,

Your gf wouldn't be Sony would it? :p


Lol no.

Seriously, you've made 661 posts since January 2007 promoting blu-ray and bashing HD-DVD at every opportunity. When your at University you should be out shagging or drinking when not studying. When I was at Uni I never even had time to watch telly neverming play computer games or find time to post on Forums like a BDA employee. :D

Blu-ray will survive without your relentless posting so please go and spend some time with your gf :D

I see my gf once every two weeks, the wonders of a long-term, long-distance relationship so I have got a lot of spare time and very little money to spare train tickets cost a lot of money, that and beer. But seriously, I'm on the wagon for the next month and a half until my exams are over and I definitely prefer having a gf than a games console, you got have some sense of real accomplishment!

You would think that I would save money over the next six weeks, but no, I have to get a stupid train to Oxford every bloody week atm which costs way more than I figured. I might not even have any left to spend on the end of year/exams night out. Dire straits.

Prioritise your spare time and get yourself a 2:1 minimum, when you land yourself a graduate job you'll be laughing. A few years later you'll have enough money to go dual format :D

If you put as much time into your studies and future job as you do here you'll be a success.

I was only one of 2 people in my year to go to Uni, most of my mates earn £12-16K a year (Average Joes :p ). After 5 years post graduation I'm on £63K+ :)